/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>62391754
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NIJIBROS OUR RESPONSE?

>>62391754
>don't get 2%
>don't have to wait for jap managers to get perms for literally anything
>don't have to suck up to the clique
>doesn't have managers numberfagging to their faces in their DM's
>3D model already on the way

wow who fucking knew that leaving niji might seem like a breath of fresh air

tittolies

>>62392077
The fuck did you just say about Riku-chan's yacht you tribalistic nigger?

>>62392077
management numberfagging is such a weird shit
it’s like Japan has yet to learn that KPI numbers are largely meaningless

>>62391754
AIIIEEEE SISTERS NOT LIKE THIS

>>62392404
KPIs is just another meme that managers have been duped into believing matters by the usual conference grifters. It's sort of amusing how gullible management is consider they're supposed to be the ones who knows how business works, but it always ends up affecting the normal employee in some ways. Same shit with open office landscapes.

>>62391952
Where the AIEE coming from ?

>>62391754
nijikeks don't look!

>>62392900
vegeta frieza dub

>>62391754
Not interested, but I want to fuck Henya.

>>62393410
Only Roomie-chan can pa-pa-pa Henya

>>62391754
I just don't really get it? What the fuck is Niji having them do?
There's no concerts, there's limited merch, limited events; for EN at least, especially the girls.
I guarantee HoloEN girls have at least triple the workload that Niji does and they all seem content.

>fulfilled henya's biggest goal of a 3d concert within 4 months of work
>matara gets actual support from her managers
>yesterday melody wanted a collab with Samuel L Jackson, no matter how unlikely, managers didn't say no
And /vt/ hates it all over a decade-old grudge against Nyanners.

>>62394530
>collab with Samuel L Jackson
He likes Anime and Hentai, the chance isn't 0

>>62391754
if you still support niji after this then you dont love your oshi anymore.

>>62394530
If Sam Jackson doesn't already know who Mel is then god may strike me dead.

>>62394831
My oshi supports Niji.

>>62394530
vt is just unable to let things that don't even concern them go
>B-but nux!
>B-but nyanners said one thing like 15 years ago!
>B-but froot cheated on her husband or whatever!

pray it mousey, all that matters is that talents are happy and FREE. Now react to more copyrighted content like a good twitch thot
>>62394530
>grudge against Nyanners
Nah, Froot is still in the company and Zentreya still keeps pretending to be female. Only good babiniku is an open babiniku
fuck niji en management too btw, you can dislike both

>>62391754
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvvFw_R7mbo
That’s great to hear
Does reflect quite poorly on NijiEN though

>>62393978
Yacht no function withou crew.

>>62392077
Can anyone explain to me what the clique thing is about?

>>62398191
Elira and her hanamori groupies

>>62398191
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Hanamori
nova = elira

>>62398191
Supposedly a bunch of the girls like Elira and Enna are running a mean girl ring and they sabotage anyone they don't like, cancelling their projects and permissions and stuff.

Mika soon, btw

>>62394530
well ever since nyanners left vshojo's rep has increased by leaps and bounds so I guess it really was true after all

>>62393978
That's the problem. They have all the drawbacks of being part of a corporation, and the only real benefit you're getting is brand recognition. It's hard to get any personal projects off the ground due to all the red tape.

>>62399051
I mean, Vei and Silver leaving might have also helped, as did Henya joining like a week later.

>>62399172
vei is sort of whatever, but what has silver done to damage vshojo's name?

>>62399200

>>62399200
Well, she was one of the more egregious horny posters, which encouraged the "Western Whores" narrative. Also shit talked the company on the way out, but I guess that doesn't count if your question is "how did she damage their name WHILE working there"

>>62393410
>Not interested
Good. Stay out. Nobody wants you here.

>but I want to fuck Henya.
Brother! Come join the fold! There's room for you here! Be one with the HEN-Tai!

>>62399260
retard

>>62391754
You guys really twist everything that gets said, don't you? Nina went on and on about how great it was to be in Niji while she was there, and only started to get depressed and sad when she started trying to do a lot of extra stuff and was told she couldn't hire assistants to upload things for her. She's happy she doesn't have to do as much work, she's said so herself, and I'm sure it will get better for her once she moves back in with her mother soon.

>>62399277
anon fucking Melody is there and she does outright porn, I don't think anything silvervale does can even nudge the needle on that scale

>>62399277
thing is though, she did that stream and once people realised how weird it made her look (filian mostly) she deleted it thereafter

>>62393978
>I guarantee HoloEN girls have at least triple the workload that Niji does and they all seem content.
And we've seen cracks forming in the sheen of HoloEN over the years. It's clear that Hololive is better at treating the talents than Niji, and the stronger EN brand recognition means greater success which cures a lot of ills, but we're only a minor incident away from possibly seeing HoloEN graduations en masse.

>>62399360
Melody is a fucking professional, and knows when to tone it down. Silvervale has NO off switch.

>>62399418
now you're just writing fanfiction

>>62399277
WHILE working there is obvious, wizard game. people /here/ don't give a shit but the reality is that many vtubers and viewers are lefties and stay the fuck away from anything to do with that IP. that she acted like cunt when she was called out and doubled down by using a loaded term when talking about LGBTQ+, her reputation was toast for many who had previously been neutral to her
again, /here/ does not care and denies it being a big deal but it genuinely was terrible PR. she's now known for the wizard game controversy

>>62399427
vibes wise mel is your cute fwb you've known since you were teens, silver is that drunk chick looking for a new cock at the club every night

>>62399051
It's hilarious that both you and Nyanners believe this. But no still western whore org, still hating talent freedom, still raging over Mousey, still hating in Froot by brown internet incels, still Kson hate, still Zen hate, and so forth but now the added "POACHERS!" hate bomb. Yep, everybody loves VShojo now that Nyan left. Just loves us.

>>62399455
Okay. You do you anon, but people here have discussed the mounting frustrations certain EN talents seem to have, and this ignores the motivational issues some are having.

Nina died to me when she graduated with her 24 hour circle jerk.
She can suck Gunrun's dick if she wants to, but I will not watch twitch streams, I will not watch Vshitshow and I will not watch la cucaracha.

>>62399580
I honestly can't get horny for Mel, she's such an adorable goober that it kills my boner thinking about it every time.

>>62399652
They really do though, the froot stuff mostly fizzled out because Ant decided to shackle up with vt retard #1 and #2, the Poacher stuff is only done by salty nijinigs, and everything else is only found here and nowhere else and can be safely discarded. Vshojo's rep has really improved by leaps and bounds ever since those three left

>>62399781
Yeah sure anon. We believe every word you say on an anonymous Mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>62399652
Isn't the point that after those three left the vast majority of criticism of VShojo is either years outdated or invalid? Somebody mad about talent freedom doesn't have an actual point, it's just tribalism.

>>62399794
Same, I tried mutualing to a CB stream and I ended up just really enjoying her shooting the shit. She's cute in a non-sexual way like Henya.

>>62399810
>the froot stuff mostly fizzled out
No it hasn't and it won't. In this very thread you have some chud hating on her. It's always been a small group of obsessed retards, but they are obsessed and post shit everywhere.

>>62399781
nigga if the jap corp that she was with didn't force this thing with 'graduations' and owning her entire brand, forcing her to create an entire new persona just to move to a different company then she'd still be the exact same nina you know. She's still the same anon, just now she can play her autismo games in peace

>>62399879
>sn't the point that after those three left the vast majority of criticism of VShojo is either years outdated or invalid?
No because to the hating faggots all the shit they did is still a reason to hate VShojo because they were in VShojo. Fuck, the stuff Vei said that got /vt/'s asshole in a pucker when the Kiara collab was going to happen was shit she said BEFORE joining but they link it to Vshojo anyway. That's how retard haters work and then other dipshits here regurgitate it without thinking because they also already hate VShojo and want validation.

>>62399954
you said it yourself it's a small group of obessed retards, so who really gives a shit? Seriously, vshojo isn't nijisanji, they didn't declare war on the dramafags who then go on to take rrats we package for them here and spread it out to the normies with a voice of authority which then further spreads into other related communities.

>>62391754
How does she get away with it every time?

>>62400090
bro stop obsessing over retards on this indonesian rice milling board. People here can talk alot of shit but unless it genuinely spreads outside of here it's not going to do much, and as far as I can see vshojo's rep amongst the general vtuber fanbase is much better than back when they were expected to collapse after nyanners left

>>62399977
You sound like a faggot who would watch vtubers who graduate to become fleshstreamers. Dude she is still the same!
Fuck off.

>>62399954
Yeah but like that anon said you aren't gonna find that outside of here to any notable degree. Even the once loud vshojo anti Pippa can't say anything negative anymore

>>62400355
That's because she wants to improve her station not because she likes VShojo now.

>>62400308
why so mad anon? did nina suddenly turn into a fleshstreamer who does porn the moment she moved? or are you just being a retard?

By shoujo is the most anti-vtuber agency in the scene
They aren't doing anything that justifies the virtuality of their talents.

>>62400551
They had three concerts this year anon.

>>62391754
Before Nijisanji, Vshojo wouldn’t even have looked her way

>>62400308
I'm real sorry you decided to bet the farm on a black company but have you consdered perhaps not supporting one?

>>62399483
which is incredibly stupid, because even the harry poter fanbase has disavowed JKR since the initial controversy began, and even recognize all racist representations in the books. she has nothing to do with the franchise anymore because the fanbase literally shames her out of anything involving them

>>62400551
>They aren't doing anything that justifies the virtuality of their talents.
Barely anyone is

>>62400279
>People here can talk alot of shit but unless it genuinely spreads outside of here it's not going to do much
It has though. This place is riddled with containment breaking faggots.

>>62401042
tell me when that actually leads to random people you talk to shit on vshojo based on those rrats

I'm a Niji fan and still watch EN streamers, so I'm sure people will say I'm coping and seething but honestly this just feels more like VShojo's playbook. The first thing Kson did after announcing she'd moved to Vshojo was make a PowerPoint presentation showcasing how much better the allocation of revenue was compared to Hololive and proceeded to shepherd Nazuna in. The first thing Mousey did when playing Minecraft with Henya was bombard her with comments about how emotional and thankful she was that Henya chose Vshojo. Now Mousey is going hard in the paint about talking about Matara's relationship with management and how happy she is.

Management probably aren't putting them up to this, but I do feel like Vshojo members have some sense of obligation to legitimise the company relative to JP corps because they've largely been perceived as drama-ridden e-thot indies. I do think Matara had issues with management though.

>>62401155
I mean same shit happened with the three bitches that left, just because one awful experience for them and then jumping into another one that's an improvement, it's a reason to why they usually talk about it. Kson would definitely not have gotten the same shit she has been getting now during her time as Coco, other than maybe her model, but to that point it's not really you, it's only the person you are paying to be. Henya had a good time with VOMS, but she probably didn't felt as connected to them as the VShojo girls, and Matara has been dunking on Nijisanji for the past 2 weeks, because it was an really awful experience. Same shit Silvervale, Nyanners and Veibae commented on how they perceived the contracts, general audience reactions to them, and some other shit as basically shit experiences for them, simply group shit wasn't their gig anymore, and they are happier being perceived as an entity rather than part of something that include friends and people you would be used to befriend with.

>>62399781
>I will not watch Vshitshow
Just look at this thread kek

>>62394530
>nyanners
Uhhh, it's froot actually
If they fired her, they would have my respect. Until then, they are trash

>>62395065
>>62401645

>>62401151
Okay. Done. Has happened numerous times on Twitter, reddit, people I've randomly talked to over discord whom I discovered were vtuber fans. But no its just here bro just here.

>>62399879
>outdated
The green haired cunt had a shit ton of drama like six months ago

>>62399781
>Not watching the based hag collabs

>>62401645
Sure anon. Sure.

vshojo and nijisanji are both trash, rope yourself.

>>62391754
I have no doubt that anycolor sucks, but I doubt you know what a black company actually is.
Also, it's known that vshitshow is also shit, so... pissing in an ocean of piss, anon. Comparison involving a distiction without meaningful difference.

>>62399483
>I-it was harry potter
Lol. Lmao even. Literally no one who actually watches vtubers cares about harry potter drama. It's just some retards on twitter who never watch streamers in the first place who care and even then they're a drop in the bucket.
I've seen fucking dozens of smaller indie vtubers play the harry potter game and never once had I ever seen a single person get upset about it in the chat or VOD comment section. In fact, a lot of small indie vtubers GAINED viewership from streaming harry potter because the bigger American streamers didn't touch it.
It turns out that faggots on twitter who don't watch vtubers have no effect on a vtuber's superchat earnings or ccv. Real shocker

>>62400279
I feel like vshojo's rep has definitely improved (even /here/), especially after Henya joined, but right now after Kuro and Matara their rep seems to be "that group ex-nijis go to because it has a better working environment" and I'm not sure that's all that great. They're just profiting off Niji digging its own grave.

>>62401645
Outside of incel rightoids, nobody gives a shit about Froot. So, good to hear.

>>62394530
Until sydsnap.png it's gone you have no leg to stand on, faggot. Even then you won't have much. It'll still be a cesspool.

>>62401985
Ok froot, don't forget to kick a puppy today

>>62399418
>the voices in my head tell me...
Meds. Niw.

>>62400355
pippa's just a grifter who's leeching off of henya to try and break away from her /pol/ audience and gain more normie numbers

>>62399418
>we're only a minor incident away from possibly seeing HoloEN graduations en masse.
This is what nijikeks actually believe

>>62397819
Maybe the real free labor, were the vtubers we hired along the way.

>>62401953
yeah, but that's still better than the "whore agency who is teetering on the edge of collapse after getting outcompeted by mythic" rep that they had a few months back, or even the "NO TALENT NO FREEDOM DOXXING COMPANY" that they had thanks to nyanners and their retarded stunt with the ad campaign and auditions

>>62401155
>The first thing Kson did after announcing she'd moved to Vshojo was make a PowerPoint presentation showcasing how much better the allocation of revenue was compared to Hololive
vtfags have the weirdest interpretation of streams.

>>62401645
im sure froot is losing sleep over a fat vt rando not liking her

>>62402009
you're not getting your cp discord back ant

>>62399794
I get the exact opposite reaction. She's so cute and submissive I want to violate her in every way possible. Cute aggression, but instead its extreme sexual violence.

>>62393708
I'm gonna pa-pa-pa Henya and then I'm gonna pa-pa-pa you anon.

Does anyone have that"What is a friend? Someone that doesn't talk to you for X months!" castlevania meme pic?

>>62399418

>>62401155
Brother, Matara literally truama dumps about jap corpo bullshit almost every stream. Like there's actual trigger events that set her off for like 30 mins where she has to work through the trauma.

>>62402146
Speaking of mythic, how come 90% of their "talent" are just 2 views? tf is Mythic doing for em?

>>62402146
Sure seems like your opinion of them is higher anon! I'm convinced.

>>62402674
Mythic isn't really an agency like hololive or vshojo, they are more similar to stuff like otv where it's really more of a stamp to say that you're part of the same group that asmongold is in. There's supposed to be some sponsorship opportunity stuff but that hasn't really show up
then again as far as I can tell there's no downside to joining mythic so if you can swing it you might as well join up

>>62401953
I think that all the poaching they are doing is definitely hurting their rep among the indie crowd especially after the aborted "audition" that may have actually just been them fishing for big, well known people to join.
Kuro in particular was an especially egregious poach considering everyone else in the company is female.
All the poaching will likely come back to bite them too unless they can keep attracting established talents with their own sizeable fan base since it make the company much more reliant on having particular people rather than having a good brand name like Hololive that can turn 2 views into 4+ views.

Whoa, whats new! its not like every single vshojo new member says the same right? kson totally hated hololive before, same as henya with voms!
anyday by now youll understand this is vshojo making the ex-agencies looking worse and them better, thats always been their MO and only idiots fall for it

>>62391754
to be honest, if you told me 2 years ago that >vShoujo would no longer be company of whores discussing cocks and menstruation
>their fans wouldn't be automatically laughed at on /vt/
>vShoujo would be main rival of Hololive
>nijisanji would have to be rivals of Phase Connect for 3rd place and losing as time passes
>nijisanji's content would become piss, cum and politics jokes and somehow they'd still have strong defence force on /vt/ with besieged castle syndrome
>still seething at hololive despite being inferior in all aspects and creating content for bitchy normie teenagers when compared to hololive's lonely retarded ojiisans
I'd call you a nigger. I can't believe it actually happened

>>62402920
...Geega joined this year too, you know

>>62402237
>vtfags make things seem more dramatic because they have boring lives

FTFY

>>62401953
anycolor has their best year in 2023 little bro, EN is a side branch

>>62402950
>kson totally hated hololive before
There's a stream where she says she still loves hololive
>same as henya with voms!
She just couldn't acomplish what she wanted and is still friends with the Voms guy
Vshojo ain't doing shit, that's the funny thing, they just provide support and lo and behold, all those other companies can't even be arsed to do so.

>ant still seething
Seethe at this

>>62403018
>"talents are treated like a garbage"
>"BUT NIGGA LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY RIKU MAKES"
every fucking time

>>62402966
it's funny how this post exists in the same thread as a vshofag complaining that vt still hates them
>>62400090
>>62394530
>>62399652

I want to suck on Froot's morning wood.

>>62402950
>henya is still friends with GYARI on steam
>references DMJ regularly
>talked about TMSK on stream several times, even accidentally dropping her name
>GUYS SHE TOLD ME SHE HATES VOMS
How do holobronies function?

>>62402950
hello lying scumfuck chinese nijisister please never type the combination of letters "kson" on your keyboard ever again thank you very much

>>62399418
the absolute state of vshocucks delusions.

>>62402920
>poaching
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. And the fact you and other /vt/ards use it is evidence that you're still out to hate VShojo for any reason.

If it was that bad then pomu would have left long ago. Matara just makes herself out to be a victim for no reason, but twitch is easier since you can just spam react garbage and sleeping on stream and get away with it.

>>62403359
yeah anon it's not like she's nijisanji's number one bootlicker or anything?

>>62403224
do henyafags really?

>>62403359
chat has to beg her to leave her wagie work despite her making decent money for year
She is a pushover

>>62403018
are you an investor or something? why the fuck do you care bout how much profit they're making?

>>62402950
>kson totally hated hololive before
This must be sarcasm, right? Because Kson has never said or indicated so

>>62391754
What artist made them look so ugly

>>62399418
Two more weeks, amirite sister!

>>62403422
Great comeback sister!

>>62399418
There's been bad blood between management and talents in both companies, but NijiEN fired Zaion while HoloEN got rid of Omega

>>62403524
he gets paid by timeshares on the golden yacht riku is buying

>>62391754
I'd wager this has more to do with her being excluded from Ethyria because she was so fucking proud of being some old ass mom tier woman, than a black company allegation
That being said, current EN management is shit moreso due to incompetence than maliciousness

>>62399418
>EN masse
KEK nijifags so mindbroke they start writing fictions!

>>62401155
>I do think Matara had issues with management though.
She quite openly talked about how her projects get repeatedly shot down while still in Niji, and that was, if my memory is right, before the time she made the decision to quit. So yeah, she did have issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T_IHQ072Fo
vwhorejo was bonked out of hornyness, so it's okay now actually

>>62403315
Poaching is the correct word to describe what VShojo is doing.
Persuading someone from another company to work for yours is poaching.

>>62404130
This. I'm seriously happy for the talents who joined and are now happier in VShojo, but it is still the definition of poaching.

>>62403315
What would you call intentionally coercing a contracted talent to leave their agency and join yours?

>>62399427
Didn't she have a meltdown because a pornstar was sacked from some fortnite event and ranted about how whores should be worshipped?

>>62404337
I don't follow Melody so I don't know what you're talking about, but the way you're wording it makes it sound like you're making it a bigger deal than it probably was.

>>62403079
>>62403524
NTA but try to read. The previous post said "Niji digging its own grave" and that just doesn't seem to be true, the company is doing very well. NijiEN may collapse and their talents may be miserable, but Niji isn't dying anytime soon.

>>62402950
Henya has never said anything bad about voms and literally still has Gyari on her friends list, it can occasionally be seen on her stream.

>>62399200
Wizard game. That's it.

>>62394530
The day Froot leaves I'm going to unironically say "vshojo good"
I don't even care that much about Zen.

>>62404226
proof that's what happened in any of those cases?

>>62404512
This contradicts the entire reason she left VOMs though
>Give me 3D
>>We can't right now Pika
>Aight, i'm out dayo

>>62404555
trips and quads are always wasted on retarded, pedantic tier nonsense

>>62404632
proof soon?

>>62400497
Yeah because vshojo public opinion is more positive now. She can't afford to pretend phase is better and she wants clout

>>62404659
Your desperation is showing

>>62404801
>falls apart the second someone asks for proof of their claims
yup, that's an election tourist alright

>>62404543
im glad froot keeps filtering out unicucks like you

>>62404555
Anon, poaching is not BAD, stop reading the niji defense force, poaching will never be bad in any fucking case, it's only bad for companies who are greedy enough to make everybody around you just to save a few bucks.
Vshojo right now are being the good guys, stop trying to pretend is not poaching because it is and is 100% fine.

>>62404666
wasn't she touting vshojo as a company that preyed on "desperate e-girls"? Funny how she's trying to pander to that same crowd now by deleting her old vods, kek even lumi is starting to collab beg matara

>>62404907
I'm neutral/positive on poaching itself as companies aren't people and them having to actually compete to retain talent is objectively a good thing, I just want to see proof that it actually happened.
I've lost count of how many times anons have said X situation is obvious only for it to turn out the situation was completely the opposite 6 months later. Tired of gossip.

>>62404560
>note: "right now" was over 2 years

>>62404560
why are you presupposing that it cant have been an amicable, professional separation with no hard feelings?
she wants one thing, gyari cant make it work for her, she joins another company that can make it work, no problem?
why are dramasisters like this

>>62404880
Dude, she won't fuck you

>>62405348
i don't watch vtubers for gfe like you unicorn faggot

>>62401385
>Henya had a good time with VOMS, but she probably didn't felt as connected to them as the VShojo girls
there's also her wanting to do 3D (not flesh) stuff, and GYARI wanted to do the whole rigging process himself instead of letting her hire someone to do it, probably to prep for a VOMS-wide 3D event.

>>62401985
where's the money, froot?

>>62403079
>>62403524
>>62403895
folks learn to read
>>62404462
its exactly this. Im pointing out it wont be anytime soon they will die and they arent digging their grave.

>>62405953
seethe more, ant

>>62405953
Right here
>>62403078

>>62403056
>>62403224
>>62403257
>>62403589
>>62404512
dear god retards! its obvious im being sarcastic about kson and henya hating them, i meant that vshojo always try to make the other agencies look worse whenever a member of another agency joins them ,it happened every single time

>>62404226
>coercing
lol
lmao even

>>62406113
>>62406150
>implying I'm a f*male
kys

>>62406229
I mean yeah, vshojo asked them to leave Nijisanji and join them while giving them monetary offers to do such. "Poaching" doesn't literally mean Ironmouse and Melody drove up to Kuro and Matara in a jeep, shoot them with tranquilizers and haul them off to vshojo headquarters while dodging the Nijisanji game wardens.

>>62405312
People are forgetting that GYARI is a fucking artist who runs a small vtuber group at the same time. The other ones combined could barely match Pika's viewership. She needed someone to handle all that shit, and vshojo let her switch over with the minimal amount of change and giving her the chance to keep the thing she wanted to do the most: watch youtube videos about food.

>>62405856
>Henya had a good time with VOMS, but she probably didn't felt as connected to them as the VShojo girls

This is the silliest thing in the thread. How is it getting repeated?

>>62406479
okay, now go look up what coercing means

>>62406479
>"Poaching" doesn't literally mean Ironmouse and Melody drove up to Kuro and Matara in a jeep, shoot them with tranquilizers and haul them off to vshojo headquarters while dodging the Nijisanji game wardens.
then why say "coerced" ? it's not like they got threatened with losing all their livelihood like those that wanted to refuse the scamarona vaccine...
>>62406589
>This is the silliest thing in the thread. How is it getting repeated?
I quoted it, retard. lmao
>Verification not required.

>>62406658
>repeated

I don't expect people to not say stupid things, but accepting the stupid thing as fact makes things worse.

>I want to do 3D dayo!
>done
>I need help with my taxes!
>done
>I want to work on projects without burnout and dubious cancelation!
>done
WHY IS VSHOJO SO EVIL?

>>62399277
>which encouraged the "Western Whores" narrative.

Encouraged? My guy thats all that most of them do, if you took away the cringe coomer farming most of them would disappear pretty quickly

>>62406725
>I don't expect people to not say stupid things, but accepting the stupid thing as fact makes things worse.
then maybe stop posting? it's you who keeps saying stupid things kek
>>62406748
tfw no gremlin Henya plushie

>>62406806
t. clipwatcher from 2020

>>62406806
Spoken like a true clip watcher.

>>62404130
>>62404199
>>62404226
If the other person decided to leave said company already that's not "poaching". You have to actively coerce them to leave. If you've got any proof of that, fine, but so far nobody has said "yeah I was happily employed by company X until Gunrun came along and gave me a better deal" because that's not happening. People are leaving their organizations for reasons they already have and VShojo is an alternative.

>>62406806
least obvious catalog tourist

>>62404337
No?

>>62404907
There is no context where "poaching" has a positive connotation, anon. It is literally a pejorative term and defined with nefarious intent. Of course /vt/ards use it to refer to what VShojo is doing, and the intent was not positive even if you think it is.

>>62405348
>accused of being a unicuck
>gives the standard unicuck answer
Consistency.

Poaching is a buzzword. If anyone actually cared they would have been seething at hololive for building their company on poached talents. The word probably wasn't posted on this board before a few months ago.

>>62406479
>vshojo asked them to leave Nijisanji and join them while giving them monetary offers to do such
They did not. Nobody has ever said this happened ever.

>>62407980
Yeah, and I wonder why that is. Couldn't possibly have been for negative reasons against VShojo. Surely /vt/ wouldn't do that.

>>62407982
I mean, i cant imagine something like "holy shit, two fucking percent? Girl, you can do better literally anywhere else" didnt happen, so technically that anon is correct.

>>62408151
That's not even close to the same thing. The key to poaching is offering them a better deal. Just talking about your relative deals is not coercion especially since it was most likely some Latina with a big mouth talking to some hag who also has a big mouth. What needs to happen for it to be poaching is having an intent to steal that talent from another business while under contract. Two dipshits shooting the shit isn't any different from a guy from Microsoft talking to a guy from Apple about what they get paid.

>>62408151
kuro outright said he was leaving even before being approached by vshojo so even if he never talked to mouse about taxes the only difference is that he'd be an indie right now

matara's case is a little more complicated because she clearly wanted out for a while but being scared she wouldn't have a safety net to fall back on was one of the reasons she was hesitant at first and i wouldn't be surprised if thats the case for a lot of current niji talents that want to jump ship

>>62408451
Henya is the same as Kuro. Had reasons to want to go elsewhere and spread her wings because she wasn't getting what she wanted with VOMs. The decision to leave was made probably over a year ago now. Matara said the same thing. Her decision to leave was made almost a year before her graduation. They all wanted to leave for their own reasons, VShojo was there to snap them up when they did.

That's not poaching at all. Opportunistic maybe, but not poaching. Free agents are fair game.

>>62407980
what if i told you that warosu is not the only archive and that nijiroes /here/ have been seething about luna getting poached for damn near as long as this board has been in existence
source: https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/text/poaching/order/asc/

>>62408647
GYARI couldn't support her. Riku WOULDN'T support them. That's the difference.

>>62399200
She is a hololive anti. The staff itself is as well but she was the most vocal about it

>>62399781
>i dont care about a chuuba being happy, she must pander to me specifically so i could bless her with my view
hang yourself faggot the world doesnt revolve around you

>>62411108
I understand that. Doesn't change the decision making process was done by the talents without coercion.

>>62391754
We knew

>>62392077
>don't have to wait for jap managers to get perms for literally anything
I mean this is twitch, they can watch full film and nobody care even when the publisher keep ringing them to stop.

>>62417044
Twitch still has a copyright system, idiot

>>62394530
>managers didn't say no
The key part of that conversation was that none of them could recall a time their managers had ever told them no

>>62398617
Is there even a little bit of evidence to back this up

I always see people blaming "the clique" but that's as far as it goes

>>62404337
>didn't [person I clearly don't watch] do [something completely outlandish and unreasonable]?

>>62399810
Outside of this board, VShojo didn't have a bad reputation to begin with

>>62391754
>wonderful work environment
Hehe does she mean her previous company does not have wonderful work environment

>>62392900
also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEU2-ceYsic&t=12s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEU2-ceYsic&t=12s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEU2-ceYsic&t=12s

>>62417479
Not really, the membership of this supposed clique changes depending on whatever girls the poster doesn't like. Selen for example was one of the girls constantly getting sabotaged by Enna's evil little group until she appeared in a recent girls offcollab that didn't include Pomu, and now she's suddenly one of the mean girls excluding the poor lil fairy hag.

>>62401155
>I do feel like Vshojo members have some sense of obligation to legitimise the company relative to JP corps because they've largely been perceived as drama-ridden e-thot indies
Have you considered the least-complicated answer, that they are actually just genuinely happy being in VShojo?

>>62406211
But Kson, Nazuna and Henya never said a bad word about their previous work
Kuro and Mata (mostly Mata) are the only ones abounding with praise for VShojo in comparison to where they used to be

>>62391754
vshojo is still garbage because most of them are still drama cunts and/or leftoids

>>62406479
Kuro has explicitly stated that he was originally intending to debut as an indie
VShojo did not convince him to leave

>>62391754
what's up with vshitshow shill threads and the relentless witheknighting? if your "corpo" is so great then our opinion doesn't matter

>>62399341
>i was overworked, tired, unhappy, couldnt sleep
All these just from her trailer
Dude its obvious shes shitting on niji

>>62417860
lol, lmao even. Vshojo only has good rep inside the purple coomer site

>>62399418
>so this is what happens in my head
Yagoo paid for Kobos ticket to go see her Dad right before he 3D

>>62418971
The "purple coomer site" is the majority of the EN vtubing scene, and the vast majority of livestreaming as a whole

>>62419073
yes the majority of internet users are braindead sex starved teens, that doesn't make them good or decent even

>>62419282
Cope

>>62391754
Is vshojo better than holo now?

>>62419427
always has been

>>62419418
with what? twitch debauchery is easy to ignore, if they stream on yt they will tank and remain out of my sight, even your flagship ironmouse is boring as fuck, a mere accessory to connor's content, which is many times better I have to admit

>>62419629
And what does any of this have to do with VShojo's public perception 'cause I believe you've very quickly lost the plot by defaulting your brain to "VShojo bad"

>>62419427
vshojo >>>> phase >>>>> holo >>>> shit >>>>>> kurosanji

>>62419726
>good public perception
>always involved in drama
Anon you have the illusion of good rep because there's always a retard willing to whiteknight these whores anywhere there's remotely an ounce of criticism

>>62391754
Their reputation has seemingly improved over since nyanners, vei and slivervale left

>>62419815
>>62419557
>>62419943
intern doing overtime, these posts are weird

>>62419903
>always
Your brain on /vt/.

>>62419903
>always involved in drama
They're not though

I know VShojo has a good reputation because I don't live in the tiny /vt/ Holobubble
I see how the broader vtuber fanbase feels about things, and I know how the vtubers themselves feel

VShojo are widely respected and a commonly-named inspiration for hundreds of vtubers. They are stars of the scene and nobody who has ever interacted with them--talent OR staff--has ever said anything less than praise.

>>62420247
given the number of vshojo orbiters, you have a point

>>62419903
>always involved in drama
like what ? the nux shit ? that was 2 years ago

>>62420102
Ok sister

>>62420312
They have so many "orbiters" because they freely and frequently engage with the wider industry, and clearly display a passion and respect for vtubing and other vtubers

Really, it's just that the scene in general is heavily cooperative and collaborative. Everyone helps everyone. But you don't see that if you have your blinders on only watching the corpos on YouTube.

>>62418680
None of the hololive streamers are neonazis. Sorry to break it to you.

>>62422680
holos aren't insufferable leftoids though which is really all you can hope for in women, their sex unfortunately doesn't make for great philosophers

>>62417479
the only real thing we know because Nina said it on stream is that the rest of the members of Ethyria were overwhelmed by Nina's extroverted nature and would jump on voice call specifically without her. But it got patched over, they seemed to work out their differences and Nina is seen commenting on the girlies roomates twitter accounts pretty often. they legitamitely broke down crying during graduation, if you want to believe the make up was an act or not who knows, but Enna's ugly sob during graduation seemed real. And Elira was one of the one's who started to collab alot with Nina so it seems to fly in the face of it being her clique. sure she is probably gonna start off being more friendly with people she was friends with before, its only natural, but the positive spin on this is that they all have great chemistry from the jump, its not like Hololive where it takes time to see the girls warm up to each other.

>>62391754
source: vshitshow
lmao

>>62422831
>holos aren't insufferable leftoids
>implying
They're millennial/Gen Z women
They're liberal

>>62426270
bu-but that one Ame clip!!!!! sh-shes based I swear

>>62400551
Anon this is no different from any other attempt of a western corpo trying to take a concept from Japan and applying it to that country without any idea on how to appropriately pander to them.

Is the same as how many american manufacturers from the 80s sold their products in Japan like throwing darts to a board and hoping to see which one will stay in there, it'll be a bizarro niche at best.

>>62391754
I didn't like when she was in Niji, I still won't like her in Vshitshow.
Why won't she take her own advice and just be nice? It should be simple.

>>62427334
She... is nice?

>>62425559
On the subject of them making up, Nina was in the background during a stream with the rest of Ethyria during an offcollab after her graduation, and Millie said last night that they still talk. Nina's talent for saying stuff that gets misunderstood is pretty unmatched, so it does make sense that anyone that hasn't followed her for a while to hear what she says in the worst light possible.

what makes nijifags froth and seethe
a good working environment for vtubers

>>62429062
kek

>>62420926
"Analysts" on /vt/ who try to extrapolate industry-wide trends based on the activity of this board and one single corpo on youtube are just like the nintendo fans on /v/ who believe they know the whole video game industry based on one insular company and a handful of heavily biased boards.

>>62429062
Lol. Now lets see what kson said about her previous employer...

>>62430610
>but what about
NIJISEETHE

>>62391754
I really hate twitch victim culture. Nina and Mysta would be nothing without nijisanji put some respect on your former brand and your former coworkers that made you. I hate backstabbers the most. I would have been fine if they left quietly

>>62430610
>loves the place too much
>she treasures it
>still in contact with holo talents
>never spoke ill about them
happy? kek

>>62394530
I hate it because they are obviously terrible people. Still employing that victim blaming whore froot and not supporting someone who was literally threatened just because of a stupid game and STILL claiming to be her "friend"
They didn't speak out when they had the chance and showed their true colors, they are fucking horrible human beings.

If VShojo is so great, why did three of them quit? That includes two of their former top streamers.

>>62411371
She probably resents Cover for her and Ame not interacting on streams.

>>62432285
veibae
>To suck her e-celeb boyfriend's cock
Nyanners
>To suck her low tier e-celeb boyfriend's cock
Silvervale
>Actually harrassed and thrown under the bus by Vshojo

>>62395065
>but too many sex jokes
>but too many males

And it goes on and on...

>>62399483
So in short, she lived by the tranny sword and died by the tranny sword?

>>62432285
The contract had a new clause that said "Don't be a rampant piece of shit on stream" and they thought it would make more sense financially to keep their piece of shit fans and leave the org. Its not a secret, anon.

>>62431974
Just be honest sister, you just hate seeing people succeed outside of Niji

I mean hololive was so bad Sana quit vtubing all together.

>>62432824
So much for talent freedom

>>62403018
Okay Last Sam.

>>62395065
>nux
is he even relevant anymore? I haven't heard from him in fucking ages.

>>62431974
Ok riku

>>62394530
Who isn't even in the group anymore.

>>62431974
t. zoomer fuck who has never actually worked a day in their life
companies chew you up and spit you out, your just a number to meet bottom line. always prioritize yourself and return on investment, fuck em.

>>62432112
>talents
Ok but what about staff? The ones that made her antis into mods and forced her roommate to move out?

>>62434505
Maybe she hates those people, but she hasn't spoken of it. Regardless, she can hate those individuals but not hate the overall entity that is Hololive anon. Kson seems more like the person who will rip apart people who wrong her not the orgs they work for. When she let it be known that Nijisanji management has her on a blacklist, they didn't knock the talents and didn't really disparage the company as a whole, but you could tell the people who made that decision she wasn't fans of.

>>62394530
>3d concert
that wasn't a concert tho

>>62434908
It was.

>>62432285
Vei because her boyfriend is a partial owner of an agency that got into hiring VTubers, and of course through him she got a good contract. Also wanted to say slurs on stream without making the others look bad.

Nyanners because she prefers to be a low effort streamer that chills with her boyfriend, rather than be front and center for a company. (all power to her for that)

Silver because she's a jealous bitch, thought she could do better, and fell for Vei's attitude of "bad indie bitch who shit talks a company after leaving, because she needs no corpo"

>>62399418
post your holo fanfiiction in /vsj+/, they love that shit there

When half of Vshojo talent graduated.

>>62437490
At least it wasnt 2 of their top earners

>>62431974
>put some respect on your former brand
Why should they when that brand never respected them

>>62432239
You don't actually care about Silver, though.
You only care that you can twist words and actions to suit a narrative that lets you say "VShojo bad" again.

>>62437601
Well yeah, it was 3.

>>62403056
>first stream as kson
>immediately dunking on hololive by shilling vshojo. "cons for joining vshojo: nothing" LUL
>underhanded tweets mentioning vtubers should have more "freedom"

She still take a jab to Hololive here and there.
She clearly hates hololive and don't realize that she was popular only because she was Coco. If she wasn't she would still br a 2 view indie right now and might not even be in Vshojo.

>>62438028
>Silvervale
>top earner
In your dreams Silver.

>Vshokek shits on nijisanji
>Nijikek deflects to hololive
>Holokeks shit on vshojo
>Vshokek shits on hololive
>Holokeks deflect to nijisanji
>Vshokek shits on nijisanji
the cycle repeats

>>62438670
>Vshokek shits on nijisanji
>Vshokek shits on hololive
Except this doesn't happen except in the respective retarded fanbase's delusions. Note, attacking the fanbase is not the same as attacking the company. The companies are fine, the talents are fine, the fans are retarded.

>>62438250
>first stream as kson
She has been Kson since 2017
>dunking on Hololive
She did not mention Hololive once
>underhanded tweets
There's nothing underhanded about her having an opinion

The only possible way you can spin anything Kson's done as being targeted against Hololive in any way is if you genuinely believe that "freedom" is a bad thing

This goes for all Twitch streamers, they should quit trying to put down their opponents to make themselves look better.

>>62438850
>She did not mention Hololive once
B-but anon she praised VShojo that's AUTOMATICALLY attacking Hololive!

>>62438763
but vshokeks legit have hololive live rent free in their heads though?
>>62399418
>>62403224

>>62438670
I the like talents, could not give a shit about the companies. most of the time people shit on hololive and niji FANs for acting like the company is their oshi

>>62439013
>first post makes no mention of VShojo
>second post is squarely directed at the fans, not the talent or company
You OK dude?

>>62439031
I'm sure that distinction is really clear in /vsj+/ but out here on the catalog that's a distinction without merit

>>62439031
*I like the talents
fuck me

>>62408840
seething holofag

>>62439059
>I only shit on the fans, not the talent
The perennial cope of shitposters cover their shitposting in a thin veneer of respectability

>>62439094
found the nijinigger

>>62439070
Only because you're all retarded and somehow managed to conflate fanbases with companies despite them being very different things that should normally never be confused

>>62439107
If I call you a retarded Holofag that has literally nothing to do with Hololive at all.
It's only you.

>>62439013
First post doesn't even mention VShojo and the second post is making fun of the holodrones which is 100% allowed with how those retards behave every fucking day on /vt/.

>>62439173
>>62439220
>Vshokeks don't shit on hololive, they said

>>62394530
Shut up nyanners you bitch ass nigga

To be honest, I think Vshojo is better than Nijisanji, but never better than Hololive.
t.deadbeat

>>62439242
>holodrones = hololive
Like I said, retards

>>62439242
... Yeah?
Neither of those posts are shitting on Hololive in any conceivable way.

Are you illiterate?

>>62439310
>>62439315
>Shitting on their support isn't shitting on them btw
>Blockading a country isn't an act of war, anon, we are not actually attacking them or anything
vshokek logic

>>62439293
I still don't get why the companies are the focus.

>>62439374
>Shitting on their support isn't shitting on them btw
Glad we agree, /pol/tard tourist.

>>62439401
because that's how it works around here in the land of non indies

>>62439374
Holy collectivism

>>62439439
that's stupid

>>62439516
well the alternative is letting retards like >>62439427 and >>62439438 slowly salami slice their way into being allowed to shit on your oshi so suck it

>>62439516
Welcome to /vt/, full of /vt/ards.

>>62439559
>shit on your oshi
Nobody is shitting on oshis you retard, unless the "hololive fanbase" is your oshi in which care you're brain damaged.

>>62439427
welcome to the /v/ in /vt/, I hope you enjoy your stay

>>62439636
yeah you say that, but then once shitting on the "hololive fanbase" is accepted you'll move on to wishing gura would graduate to own the "hololive fanbase"
oh wait you already did>>62435982

>>62439516
Then why did you come to this thread?

>>62439675
I didn't make those posts, but you need to read what the point of those was: to make the holodrones seethe, to make this board explode. Those anons are wishing maximum copium and rage upon you, not Hololive or Gura. Apparently it worked, too.

>>62439675
>wishing gura would graduate to own the "hololive fanbase"
That's not what they said though

You really just hear what you wanna hear and see what you wanna see, huh?

>>62439693
Its like when you go to the zoo and watch apes fling shit at each other. except I can actually ask you people what's going on in your heads.

>>62439781
>>62439795
yeah we totally don't shit on hololive btw, that's why we want hololive to fail

>>62439833
>hololive to fail
Hololive will survive Gura leaving, just like they survived Coco, Rushia, and Sana leaving, forfeiting an entire China branch, and so on and so forth. Hololive will just throw out another talent to replace them and will keep on chugging along.

>>62439817
Although admittedly I would probably be simpler to figure out the ape's reasoning

>>62439898
yeah you'd like us to believe that wouldn't you, vshokek?

>>62439833
Now you're literally just making shit up
I am in /vsj+/ every day and I've never seen anyone wish for Hololive to fail

>>62439930
so >>62435982 isn't from vsj+

>>62406479
Framing it as “poaching” makes it seem like Vshojo is the evil one for providing competition and an alternative way

>>62439969
Show me where that post says anything about Hololive failing

>>62439996
>I unironically hopes Gura graduates
>this doesn't mean I want hololive to fail btw
do vsjokeks really?

>>62440021
did you even read the whole thing

>>62440021
>Gura leaving = Hololive failing
So like... how do you dress yourself in the morning?

>>62440165
>Gura leaving =/= Hololive failing
Is this like how vshojo losing two of their founding members doesn't mean they are failing?

>>62440212
... Yes

>>62440338
So like... Do you understand the concept of object permanence or are you too young for that?

>>62440212
I mean, yeah vshojo is doing fine

>>62440373
Was Hololive "failing" when Coco left? Rushia? Sana? Magni and Vesper? When they shuttered CN? When they shuttered INNK and ended Project Hope?

>>62440472
yeah, after they rebounded with Henya and having Njijsanji play the foil to them to make them look better. The period after they lost two of their top talents and two of their founding members was really dire for them, that's why ironmouse addressed it in the clip in the first place

>>62440501
Yes, no shit vshokek. They rebounded from it but that doesn't mean it's not a major blow

>>62440581
OK so your definition of a failing company is any time something happens that doesn't benefit them

You're even stupider than initially suspected

>>62392404
It's that space between "largely" and "entirely" that makes all the difference between a successful business that pays attention to certain things, measures them, and improves them. But for a nation that adores Deming more than his homeland it is weird how broken they are

>>62440581
honesty I would not have cared that much if vshojo did end then. because the talents I watch would still stream and they are why I watch not the company

>>62440713
I'm sorry object permanence is a concept that seems beyond you anon but just because you ignore it doesn't mean it didn't happen

>>62400596
Did they all look like they were cut content from Bubsy 3D?

>>62440743
I don't think you know what object permanence means

You are the very embodiment of this chart
Your perception of reality is so twisted as to be laughable
Take your meds you fucking schizo

>>62440916
>Things that happened 6 months ago didn't happen because I say so

>>62441022
When did I say that

>>62441022
nta but that's not what object permanence is and he did not deny that it happened.

>>62441091
see >>62440713

Hololive probably hasn't been growing recently due to their fanbase being absolutely terrible.

>>62441210
its like those tv shows that people don't want to watch or admit to watching because the fanbase is utter trash

>>62441177
Yeah, um
That post isn't saying what you're accusing me of saying

>>62418804
anon they can't be open about poaching because that's like starting a fight with anykara and their audience and a pretty bad look in general but if you follow the story it gets pretty obvious that's what happened.

>>62441622
VShojo likely didn't start talking to him until after the graduation was made public
At which point he had already been preparing for his indie debut for several months

>>62441622
Or, simpler answer: Kuro is telling the truth and you, an anon on the internet, know jack squat.

>>62401645
it started with nyanners, she was an /a/chan girl who became queen of /a/ and and a pro-lolicon hate campaign started after she left and didn't want to be associated with her meme song

this happened long before froot

>>62440501
STFU

Coco asked us for supporting Hololive even she lefted. We will respect her last wish forever.

T. Tatsunoko

>>62442781
The Jesus of Vtuber
Even in death, She still LOVE

>>62435982
are vshojo members boring? or why their general is always bitching about hololive for some reason

>>62443160
They aren't
In fact Hololive is rarely mentioned at all

>>62443215
Then why they mention it at all, nobody mention vshojo in global

>>62444147
Because we engage with the vtuber scene writ large instead of pigeonholing ourselves into one facet of it, so occasionally things outside of VShojo will come up in conversation
Big deal

>>62444585
Shitting on other vtuber and wishing she graduate without even knowing anything about them is "engage with the vtuber scene writ large". Might aswell name it to /#2.0/

As a holochad, I'm enjoying Vshojo's redemption arc. Henya being so happy about getting 3D was precious.

>>62444726
Your ESL is showing
Also that post quite literally says they wanted Gura to graduate because they believe her to be burnt out
In other words, they want her to find a better environment that will reignite her passion for streaming and making content. Which is not shitting on her by any stretch.

>>62444864
Doesn't Vshojo have a higher percentage of people who barely stream

>>62444933
Well with a talent roster totaling 3 fewer talents than HoloEN, VShojo would have a higher percentage of everything quite frankly