/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>62337316
based

>>62337316
Maybe staff san should have been allowed to correct her.

i'm sure anyone who actually cares about this stopped watching and caring about mel after it was found out she's fucking fuma
which is probably why she's homocollabing now too because she wants to get to know his coworkers

nobody cares
thanks for cute screenshot though

>>62337316
But she didn't drop it?

>>62337316
Yes.
Next question, nijidrone.

>>62337316
anon, she has always been the rented-out whore experience

>>62337484
you need to up your dose of meds

>>62337316
One of the top Japanese comment: "Which Holostar seduced Mel"?

No, I don't think it's fine when JP does it. Perhaps the JPs finally got their balls back.

>>62337484
>talking to male = fucking
And i thought unicorn was the delusional one.

>>62337316
I'll never trust blonde holos again...

>>62337316
>But it's ok when JP does it, right?
no

>>62337316
>But it's ok when JP does it, right?
nobody even fucking says that anymore

>>62337316
Should have just made your general and stayed in your cuck containment

>>62337316
anything that mel does is based

>>62337316
It's not. She will bleed viewers. Which for Mel isn't exactly a thing she can afford.

>>62337316
Rika is, was and will always be a whore so it literally doesn't matter if she collabs with males or not.

>>62338346
>>62338589
It feels like something management would "suggest" to her to improve her numbers. Miko's manager tried to coerce her into that holizoli collab bullshit but Miko wouldn't budge but Nene's manager "convinced" her to play shitorant. I think the same thing's been happening with Mel.

>>62338589
Haachama is a confirmed virgin who doesn't have a partner though

>>62337723
You can't do GFE and male collab, they just can't coexist.
Doing male collab=dropping GFE

>>62339270
Only if you can't imagine a girlfriend with male friends. And then there's the NTR experience, which is a separate can of worms.

>>62338369
>>talking to male = live NTR at the very LEAST
FTFY

>>62339174
They should take the JP members who have bad numbers and have them EOP pander and do English only collabs with EN. EN could do with more members anyway.

>>62339174
Mel and Nene have the same manager. Makes sense.

>>62337316
She's too cute to not have been taken.

>>62340853
>They should take the JP members who have bad numbers and have them EOP pander and do English only collabs with EN
I too welcome a return to peak 2020 Hololive
While we are at it, can we bring back Coco?

>>62339270
You shouldn’t let your girlfriend have male friends, that shit will end poorly

>>62338369
If they are doing GFE then yeah it is, if your girlfriend is going out with other guys, that’s cheating

>>62341339
HoloJP did 0 EOP pander for about 2 year, but for the past few months, they've slower been doing a little. Not anywhere near it peak, but it's a little.

>>62337316
It’s weird, Aki’s doing it too. I assume management is in their ear about finding a new demographic outside the holo box. Nothing you can do but skip their streams and not buy their merch.

>>62342262
Which absolutely no one will do because JP gachikoi and unicorn would rather die than miss one sec of their precious girlfriend.
(they don't even have the ball to say it and will just cry in their X account hoping no one see them)

:|

>>62337316
>gfe
>mel
When did this happen?

>>62341339
>BRING BACK 2019
Based me too.

>>62339704
Girlfriends with male friends are always a bad idea. They'll always cheat. Best practice is to find a traumatized girl who distrusts or hates men, and become the one exception to her rule. Then she'll never cheat on you, and if she does, at least it will be hot lesbian cheating.

I had to unsubscribe from Mel when this garbage popped up for me this morning. Disgusting. I was also apparently subscribed to Ollie which I also remedied.

>>62344209
>Best practice is to find a traumatized girl who distrusts or hates men
Noel...

>>62337316
ITT: retards who have never watched Mel or her roommate in the first place

Ririka is simply better

>>62345337
Dont do comparisons like that, youll only make people dislike ririka

Mel is dead to me.

>>62345425
Half the people spamming Ririka don't even watch Ririka

>>62345490
Well, she is a vampire anon...

Watch FuwaMoco instead

>>62343359
Yes, that's exactly the problem. They have this stupid illusion of trusting them and forgiving everything they do.

>drops gfe
oggey
Why are Unicorns upset? Not like any of you watched her beforehand.

>>62345769
FWMC are NOT gfe

>>62346079
>he doesn't know

>>62346079
Is all your care about is GFE?

>>62337316
Wait, Mel has tits? Since when?

>>62346355
It is the only reason to watch vtubers

>>62346445
Are you retarded?

>>62346518
This but unironically. It's a shame there's barely any good gfe vtubers left.

>>62337316
The eggs ask for it

>>62338346
>>62339174
being real: she got married and now wants to get rid of her gachikois if there were any

>>62338170
She definitely has that high end escort vibe, has the look for it too if we can trust the other holos

>>62337484
Where did this rrat start, and where is the video of them fucking!

>>62346445
anon...?

Mel is one of the least-watched Holos, and yet there are still some EOPs who try to pass as her viewers. Even in an anonymous board, there are limits to how much you can LARP.
I bet this is another thread made by the Aki-schizo from /#/

>>62348802
>Aki-schizo from /#/
Dont you mean the twitch schizo from lig? since its the same guy that sperged on aki and botan.

>>62348802
Every Holo member has EOP fans. Why do I bother it's useless talking to you. Cover corp treats their talent fairly and the fans, in turn, are united. Anycolor pits it livers against each other and, in turn, the fans are always at each other's throats.
It's how both NijiJP fans and NijiEN fans ended up the same, despite never interacting. It's also why the best days of NijiEN were it's beginning, when it was mostly inspired from Hololive.
Anyone who goes on about EOP fans is a nijifan. If Mel decided to start interacting with HoloEN instead of Stars, she would be embraced by EN fans, she would have 900K subscribers by the end of the year, and she would have 1,000,000 before Holofes.

>>62349430
based

>>62347997
Gachikoi is pretty much all she ever had.
Too stupid to be taken seriously, too lewd for mainstream, too bad at game for gamer audience, good singing skill but nothing to talk about, Subpar asmr that only take effect with skin shown (things she can't do here), not really that good of a talker/not really the funny type either.

Really, being gachikoi is pretty much a NEED to even convince yourself to watch her.

She got a temporary boost from that scandal/return stream but if anything she isn't much better than holostar in regard that she would be nothing without other holo to give her spotlight from time to time.

So why is she doing this now? Stupidity, pure and simple.

>>62346445
anon...

>>62337316
unironically yes.

>>62349611
But why NOW? She’s been stupid the whole time. What changed? It’s gotta be Cover trying to use the girls to salvage the Holostars again.

>>62349611
t. EOP

>>62348845
Maybe, but this type of answers >>62349430 sound like strike out the broken mind of your typical /#/ monkey.

>>62349928
Actually ESL, shocked?
and if anything, being EOP would actually be a plus, not understanding what this girl say could at least give the illusion she's interesting.

>>62349611
Do you think her going Ayame mode right from debut hurt her as well? Obviously personality flaws would have inevitably caught up with her but spending her first year doing 2 streams a month while rest of Gen1 and Gen2 was doing 20-35 streams monthly certainly must not have helped her image with the fanbase.

>>62349928
ホロスタいらん

Blatant nijinigger thread

>>62346445
I knew anons here didn't watch streams, but this is on another level.

>>62350422
You’re supposed to attach a picture of Mel’s tits, retard. That’s the joke.

>>62339174
My rrat is she was so touched by Rio singing her song she just wanted to get to know them, the collabs literally started after that moment.

>>62342262
You don't watch Aki. It's not weird.

>eop unicorns having a melty again
>jp fans don‘t care at all
Stay in your fucking lane

>>62351317
>jp fans don‘t care at all
>dropped from the first place on sukikira to the seventh in just a couple of months

>>62343980
I'm also confused
Does OP not watch Mel?

>>62353751
>sukikira
roru roru
rumao even

>>62351317
it just makes sense from a normal observation of how much more effort it takes to be a fan if you're not japanese.
At least 4 hours extra spent per day learning Japanese and then the streams themselves would be spent with a learning mindset as well

>>62337316
it's unironically ok when anyone does it

>>62353751
>sukikira
the antisite that has hate boners against some of the best holos like miko and pekora and that makes up a ton of retarded shit they pull out of their asses in a schizophrenic attempt to justify their hatred against hololive is really not a place to take into consideration honestly.

>>62337350
fpbp

>>62351232
You literally don't watch Aki. There has been a change in content. There has been more male collabs in half a year than in 4 years of her career prior

I never thought I would see the day that this board would start pretending they watch Mel.

A lunatic is all idée fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up sukikira.

>>62359417
I love Aki but her tendency to spam one game for months filtered the shit out of me. It began with the first Ark spam during Coco's era.

Collab with Ririka a few days ago - 14,949 ccv
other recent solo streams- 4.5-7k ccv
collab with males - 2,479 ccv

Bold move cotton, lets see if it works out for her.

>>62353751
Are you taking sukikira seriously? That is nothing more than a hive of holo antis. The #1 Holo on there, AZKi, is merely ranked 37th across all Vtubers. The top ranks are Nijis and literal whos of jp indies. Are you seriously taking that site as the gospel truth?

>>62337316
Has she dropped GFE, outside of the sudden homo collabs?

>>62359570
Suddenly everyone has an opinion and deep knowledge of Mel's entire career and her past and everyone hates her. It must be some damn miracle that so many learned so much so quickly.

>>62337484
This person will never breed

>>62343980
Don't you know, soft spoken girls are 100% classified as gfe by their logic.

>>62360516
Reality is if you're not a newfag you know everything about every member and have so since mid 2021

>>62360516
Mel has always been talked about disproportionately to her viewership because she had the big yab

>>62337316
jokes on you i love whores

>>62339704
I want you to explain how many girls you’re both friends with and would never fuck under any circumstances

>>62362420
I wouldn't have sex with any girl I share any kind of work with(especially if you're constantly in the public eye as part of your job) even if we're friends because that's a recipe for a whole bunch of bullshit in your life

>>62359049
Miko has a pile of yabs that EOPs instantly forgave the moment she said nigger on stream. Dont be upset when people who have hated hololive since before gen 3 give valid reasons that you cant comprehend.

>>62359417
It's not weird because she has never had a problem interacting with homos, on twitter or in her streams, or hell, their streams (she visited Fuma's Splatoon stream before any collabs happened).

>>62365146
>2023

>>62360171
Come on sisters, someone tackle this post, I'd love to see the cope.

>>62365461
You'll get ignored, 'unicorns' don't exist remember? Silly anon. The numbers were lower because of...the alignment of the planets? Yeah, that.

Mel SEXO

98% of people that are upset about it aren't calling Mel any names, or attacking her on social media with fake accounts.
They're not necessarily leaving quietly either. It's just ruining the long term vibe of a lot of people.
This year has been balls. Not in totality but the overrall feeling of daily consuming content has changed from inspirational and an amazing way to decompress after working hard to a more anxious, more sceptical, more embarassing thing to be focusing on.

>>62337316
more holes should be like her

I don't like it when holos collab with males (in and out of the company) and, frankly, I don't like the way hololive in general is going
Still can't give up my oshi, even though she's part of it

you cunts dont even watch mel

Do feel bad for her, these couple weeks after a 3D Live should be one of the bigger periods of the year for her and instead its just all sorts of infighting and outsiders taking potshots at her. What will things be like in a few months when she won't be able to benefit from the warm afterglow of a celebrated stream? Times like this make me worry for the future of Hololive in a few years time. When Coco left, quite a few contemplated graduating as well. The next time someone departs it may set off a daisy chain of departures or do enough to shatter the familial feel to the fanbase. Mel has been directly responsible for bringing in at least 4 or 5 of the others and alot of them right now are overworked, stressed and going through menhera spells.

>>62339704
>male friends

>>62337316
she gives off almost as many sloppy used goods vibes as Mori, Choco and Matsuri. Not sure what anyone expected.

>>62351317
Oh yeah? Explain this then?

>>62337316
>But it's ok when JP does it, right?
yes? why wouldn't it be? it's ok when everybody else does it too
just ignore the 5 incels from their circlejerk who keep seething lol it's not that complicated

>>62337316
it's also okay when EN does it.

>>62337316
>Gets treated like garbage by JPs in the Holobox for years before she stops giving a shit about the Holobox and its imaginary rules.
Makes you think doesn't it? YOU could have saved her, collectively that is.

>>62376012
>>62377141

>>62377141
What about Ame and Kronii's meltdown then?

>>62364775
>miko
>pile of yabs
Ok so you are just talking out of your ass like those antis.

>>62367241
this doesn't really make sense. you may have just realized what the true nature of the hobby was from the start.

>>62349726
She got caught like a month ago being in constant contact with Fuma behind the scenes.

>>62378852
Same thing as the Iraq War, it's just a meaningless excuse to hide the real reason.

>>62349726
>trying to salvage failures with another failure
lol, ask Marine instead

>>62337316
Mel is part of the "Holo JP Blondes", they were at death's door in terms of revenue and views, so everyone mostly left them alone. the is the protracted effect in 2023

>>62350246
Hololive had barely any fans at the time, they were streaming to like 20 people, so no, i don’t think that matters even slightly

>>62339174
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if cover is offering some special treatment to those who start doing homocollabs and targeting the less successful holos with it

>>62376012
Homos are still trying to push this narrative lmao, saying it over and over does not make it true

It's not okay and her awful numbers prove it

>>62337484
>>62338369
>>62348460
>>62360586
Nah that anon is correct, since I am Fuma

>>62362420
>I have no standards that means no other male has standards
Why are you always self-projecting?

>>62381288
Holomembers may have, not me

>>62353751
>>62364775
Oh look he admits that they are not Hololive JP fans

So indeed JP fans do not care like this anon >>62351317 said

>>62346079
>he lacks critical information

wow a whorish chara is an actual whore who would've thought

>>62375872
No one wants to watch Ollie

>numberfags who didn't even watch Mel in the first place

>>62349611
By this point her gachi probably aren't her main source of money. She's probably got a man or a roommate hustle

>>62342191
Imagine being so insecure that your GF can't be in a group call involving another guy

>>62381605
>saying it over and over does not make it true
the irony here, holy shit
i know unicorns aren't the brightest but come on man
>>62382419
it is truly sad, almost feel bad for them

>>62383572
We get it, you have never been with a woman

>>62384183
>we

>>62381451
Marine has been a very poor friend to Mel ever since she got into Hololive, only thing that makes since is that Mel has insisted that Marine doesn't need to owe her favors or coddle her with support.

>>62381548
>they were streaming to like 20 people
Maybe Sora at the start but by 2019 even the low ones were bringing in 500-1200 viewers regularly with Aqua, Sora and Fubuki being the top dogs at 2500-3000 viewers.
Whats really ironic is during this time Suisei and Miko were both dead last (Miko as her separate project and Suisei as an indie) as they were bringing in double digit viewers, no joke

>>62386088
Yeah it's Marine fault Mel is like this now.

>>62387375
I mean if the past is any hint they appear to be close but Marine collabs more with the likes of Shion, Kanata and Aqua outside her Gen than Mel. Miko has been more a savior to Mel than Marine has.

>>62381548
>Newfag larping as oldfag
Why are you like this ? Being wrong so confidently

>>62387647
Marine probably didn't have as much friends before joining hololive but now she is way closer to Kanata or Aqua than she was ever with Mel

>>62388373
She was friends with Mel before hololive and left her to rot to gain numbers.

>>62388573
It will be curious once they both eventually leave Hololive if they will do anything with each other again or did they drift apart that much.

>>62337316
>he thinks the average /vt/ user in current year even knows who Mel is

>>62389676
Everybody knows about her fat milkers

Why is this board so shit?

>>62390451
Sister want to own le bad unicorn eventhough there no unicorn with actual receipt.

>>62390451
Because people prefer to shitpost than watch streams, even if it means making up shit or bait threads

>>62388573
Just accept that Marine and Mel were never that close in the first place so obviously when she had the opportunity to get true friends after joining Hololive she decided to collab mostly with them
>>62388791
They still collab sometimes and will maybe work together after they graduations but hearing some anons Mel and Marine were best buddies before joining Hololive (they weren't)

>>62366592
At the end, the total views of the Party Animals Collab sits at 33 views. Around the normal range of Mel's recent streams. With the only anomalies of the Collab with Ririka, the SFVI stream and Mel's 3D.

>>62390898
>They still collab sometimes and will maybe work together after they graduations but hearing some anons Mel and Marine were best buddies before joining Hololive (they weren't)
So its similar to how Mel and Kson seemed to connect then suddenly dropped acknowledging each other? Appear to be close but then not really?

>>62391733
If anything what was more telling wasn't the lack of viewers from Mel's fans but rather than practically none of Towa's Kenzoku tuned in. Of all the PoVs available, Mel's was probably the one most likely for them to watch and of all the participants she has the largest fanbase but out of, say 8k, maybe a couple hundred at best tuned in.

>>62391894
Your minds are rotten by the CGDCT syndrome. Just because you don't seem them interact in front of the camera you think it never happen behind it. Maybe they want to have some degree of privacy and don't need to tell everything about their lifea? Jezas.

>>62390898
I will concede that whatever bond Mel and Marine has is one sided, Mel invites Marine to alot of her stuff but rarely see Marine invite Mel.

>>62392005
Towa tweeted about the stream maybe 10 minutes before it started, didn't interact with anyone besides Mel and Ollie primarily, and then didn't do any post-stream thoughts like she typically does and just tweeted about SF6 instead.

>>62365212
Oh, you want something older? Sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXWQN2wVrXA

>>62345425
That's the point

Management keeps on suggesting Hololive members grow there audience by trying to appeal to people that hate them and doing boring stuff nobody likes.
Why doesn't management suggest that they should try appealing to the massive fanbase that is just waiting for the at least 1 JP Holo member try to appeal to them, the English fanbase.

>>62397531
That boat sailed when Coco was ostracized and departed, just look at what passes for interaction between JP and EN nowadays. EN bends over backwards to learn Japanese and do JP songs but when was the last time you heard a JP member do an English song (not counting Haachama bless her haato)? Just look at the fact that Coco made an EN version of SSS that no HoloEN member has sung EVER. They all do the JP SSS. JP does not care about EN fans, they just want to make EN members for the JP fans who want something exotic. We are not the intended audience anymore.

meru cute!

>>62397737
Why are you following a Japanese company if you hate Japanese content so much?

>>62397737
Honestly what would JPs gain from pandering to EOPs?

>>62397850
Because during a magical period in the darkest of days in Covid 2020 it seemed like they actually were interested in and as curious about overseas fans as we were about them.
I loved 2020 and 2021 Hololive
2022 and 2023 Hololive has been pretty mid and the trajectory ain't looking good

>>62398045
So you deluded yourself into thinking that you will get Twitch streamers. Guess what? You can just go back to Twitch and they're all there waiting for you.

>>62398130
Already am but I'm emotionally invested in and scorned enough that I keep tabs on Hololive and look forward to its inevitable demise, even if it takes 10, 20, 40 years.

>>62398260
GSH

>>62397737
They were EOP pandering before Coco arrived.
Aki did an English song during her Wizard of Oz 3D live. Holotori dance is in English.
Almost very single EN member has had JP members on the 3D live, and they spoke Japanese the whole time.
>>62397737
Why do you think Hololive members have so many more subscribers then Niji members?
The top 12 most subscribe vtubers all have major oversea fan bases or are English speaking vtubers.
The second most subscribe vtuber is a Japanese girl with an overseas fanbase majority.
Also what exactly do you think they'll gain by appealing to collab beggars, esports fans, and eceleb fans?

You know what they best part of all this is? How is it would be. They don't even need to know how to speak English any better than they already do.

>>62353794
I thought people knew she was erolive/would do cocksucking ASMR if youtube didn't demonetize that.

>>62398405
>they spoke Japanese the whole time.
That's the problem. They should be speaking English.

>>62398045
Hololive had an huge EOP audience half a year before Covid started.

>>62343359
>>62359417
>>62365146
>>62365212
Aki became temporarily one of the biggest holos in numbers because of the Ark arc.

The problem is that this is about trying to make the homos big by leeching the girls. Nijisanji doesn't do this, they just don't care about gendered collabs or care if there are members who have to eat cup ramen (and the males in holostars aren't THAT poor anyway).

The entire thing reeks of someone on a braindead crusade to "get what nijisanji has". Someone things maybe Oga can break out or whatever. Rikka was doing a thing and Shien was doing a thing and neither capitalized on their success. Roberto and Seaweed are baseline successful but Astel doesn't benefit from his more popular friends. Orlando changed his look and now his merch sells better but is otherwise the same CCV. Uproar also did not break out. Mismanagement of talents probably caused orcman and gay to graduate, fucked up starsen.

They want stars success but are going about it the wrong way, constantly, and tanking the girls with them. Nijisanji doesn't do this and it is unironically the correct choice because people ultimately have to make or break their own channel, there is no guaranteed success anywhere ever.

>>62398472
Well yeah, I meant to say it like it was a problem.
The funny thing is Bae had Subaru, Sora, and Fubuki on her 3D live. When Subaru and Sora collab with EN or ID member, they will actually speak English. Subaru especially, while Sora just copies whatever language the EN or ID member is speaking. Bae's 3D live was almost entirely in Japanese because Fubuki didn't even try and honestly Bae could have spoken more English than she did. I don't like saying bad thing about Hololive members, but I don't understand how it's even possible to sit there and not even consider the audiences feelings.

>>62398472
I don't even need them to speak english or do english only stream. What I would like is to feel included, example, have translations for text or ask something in english while streaming

>>62398646
Then, as the stars fan you are, you should start complaining about mix gender collabs were the stars members will see it and know it's a stars fan complaining. Stars are never going to succeed by collabing with girls, hololive or not.
People always say that the only reason people don't like mix gender collabs is because the fan is in love with the talent. That's stupid and anyone who thinks that should feel bad.
Have you ever been watching a group of male youtubers and then they add a girl there? If your still watching that, you do your best to ignore the girl so that you can actually be entertained. If you see some collab begger, you should tell them that they should stop trying to bring there girlfriends to the boys night out.
If holostars wants to succeed, they should do manly things, like versus (who can finish the game first), hardcore collabs (if you die, you quit the game and go silent), and generally stupid man stuff.

>>62390451
Not rangebanning SEA and permabanning /#/ as soon as it appeared in 2021.

>>62399111
You can watch EN for that.

>>62390451
Disproportionate amount of SEAnigs and women, one of the worst moderated boards with the only ones that are noticeably worse being those that don't have any active moderation in the first place, and the presence of gachikoi and unicorns, who are very easy to bait by the sheer virtue of the fact that ANYBODY who particularly cares about ANYTHING is noticeably more likely to respond to bait of even below average quality leading to shitposters having a field day here. It's the equivalent of a Major League Prospect spending a day in the JV leagues. Exacerbated by the fact that even "vtuber oldfags who posted on /jp/ back in the day" are considered newfags to the site as a whole. Most of these people don't have the ability to handle shiny keys dangled in their face, let alone a perceived easily dissectable bait post about their favorite chuuba.

If you know Mel's history, you know she wasn't being helped out at all by unicorns or diehard fans, she was left to rot and nearly did. Now that she's got decent numbers, she sees no reason to continue pandering to the people who had no vested interest in her

>>62399203
>Watch EN streams
>JP language creeps in somehow
You don't get this cross cultural pollination in JP streams that much anymore except from 1-2 members

>>62399692
You are watching the English branch of a Japanese company. Not only that but the medium and all the subject matter is of japanese origin.
I know for a fact that you do NOT want cartoon styled vtubers that focus on American media.

>>62399203
With that logic ENs should stop speaking any japanese too to make JP audience included and refuse to do any JP songs ever again

>>62399453
Mel was getting lower numbers than some HoloID members for most of 2021 and 2022. When the JP fanbase and HoloBox won't give you a chance, what are you supposed to do?

>>62399855
You'd be surprised, my main thing now is watching Henya reaction content

>>62399926
Not be boring as shit?

>>62399886
What is my logic? I just told you that if you want to feel like you're being included when you write your English trash in the chat you should probably watch someone that can understand English.
What part of that prohibits anyone from using a different language? You're depanding that JP streams must include English.

>>62399139
Is this an AI post or are you just illiterate? I litrally said in my post none of the homos will ever succeed by leeching. It's like you read the first sentence and then dumped some text into chatgpt "what would a braindead unicorn say to this".

I don't watch homos, you fucking faggot.

>>62400112
I mean, when the fanbase has a notable minority of overseas fans, where is the harm with having a few minutes of passion english zatsu at the start or end of the stream? Not looking for perfect punctuation but just some acknowledgement and interaction would be greatly appreciated. Nene and Polka get this especially, why can't some of the others?

>>62400379
>why can't some of the others?
Because they don't want to. So your solution is to force everyone to speak English every single stream.

>>62400112
>>62400430
God damn you get triggered for asking little bit of english time to time from JP talents that know it. You must be a japanese or shitposter.

>>62400430
I'm up for compromise, how does once a week sound?

>>62400512
But this started with you getting triggered by a little bit of Japanese on your EN stream.

>>62400516
Still forced and bad.

>>62400588
>Still forced and bad.
Its OK when JP Company forces their EN talents but how dare EN fans ask something of JP talents

>>62400673
>JP Company forces their EN talents
But that doesn't happen. Nobody is forced to speak Japanese.

>>62337316
To answer the question, yes. It's okay when jp or id or en or anyone else does it. Unicorns provide net negative value.

>>62400430
Your right they should collab with holostars and ecelebs instead. Is that what you want? This is about how to increase there fanbase to make management happy. There is a solution that makes everyone happy, EOP pandering. Who would be upset about it, thread readers?

>>62401876
>If you don't want forced shitty English every stream you want male collabs!
You ENfaggots are fucking demented. JP has left EN in the fucking dust while EN is shrinking with each passing day.
Just go watch your vshojo react streams.

>>62400588
The EN members can speak Japanese if the JP members also speak English. I'd be fine with EN members doing multiple Japanese stream a week if the JP members did the same.

>>62402007
It's a japanese company. The japanese members have no need to speak English. Their audience is already larger than EN just by speaking Japanese.

>>62401973
Funny how were talking about a JP members who barely gets any views. Are you afraid that your entire world view will start crumbling if Mel becomes more successful with English fans then she ever was with Japanese fans.
This whole conversation is about how management wants to get less viewed JP members more views. What do you think they should do?

>>62402280
Let's be honest here, you don't want to watch Mel speak English, you want it from someone like Pekora, Miko or Marine. This "EOP pandering brings fans!" is just a bullshit argument.
Several of the low tier JPs have already done their fair share of EOP pandering and never went anywhere.

>>62337316
It's always okay, faggot. Touch grass, take meds.

>I'm afraid I'll be cuckolded even though I have no claim to any of these women, by guys I insist are gay!
Do you even begin to recognize how retarded you sound with this shit

How is this thread about Mel still alive

>>62402049
And there is the fundamental flaw in why vtubing never took off to become a global phenomenon. Hololive chose not to be an international brand, it has played things safe (just like every fucking Japanese company for the last 30 years) and double down on the domestic market. The likes of Marine, Pekora and Gura could have been the next Sonic, Mario and Mickey Mouse but the management were cowards and in a few decades they will be nothing more than an answer in some trivia game.

>>62402393
kapumin board

>>62337316
Nope, nobody likes holostars or their few annoying "fans" that don't even watch them in the first place

>>62402393
The dude is very hurt. Shouldve seen her general.

>>62402433
>Pekora would be Mario if she was forced to speak English for 30 minutes once a week
How do you even begin to believe this?

>>62402280
What do you think would happen if Pekora or Marine started doing regular EN streams? That's it the JP fans will feel betrayed and quit for chuubas who care more about them, then they would end up having Gura tier ccv because even if there is more English speakers than Japanese speakers there is a bigger vtuber market in Japan.

>>62402049
Did you ever notice that ever stream has a different number of views. Most people don't watch everything. Do you think they have to abandon there Japanese to do 1 English stream a month. They can have both with very little effort.
Nintendo's a Japanese company, should they not release English translations of there games?
Also vtubing had a majority EOP fanbase in it early days. It wasn't until the Four Heavenly Kings era that it became majority Japanese.

>>62402393
For whatever reason whenever some anons on /vt/ see a thread in catalog that's about to reach archive status they tend to bump it with some dumb post
I wish maids would activate autosage for shit like this

>>62402604
What is the point of doing one stream a month for a completely different audience that won't be interested in any of the other streams?
>Nintendo's a Japanese company, should they not release English translations of there games?
What a fucking retarded argument. I'm not even going to tell you what's wrong with it because it's that fucking stupid.
>Also vtubing had a majority EOP fanbase in it early days.
It absolutely did not. You also act like it was somehow bigger back then.

>>62402393
Because its a Hololive member. EOPs care about every Holo member, it doesn't matter how unpopular they are.

>>62402554
Forget Marine and Pekora. This thread is about Mel. What would happen to her?

>>62402805
She's not really interesting and collabs with males often now so around Bae tier

>>62402554
This thread is going off the rails but where this english only streams demand came from? At most I would like JPs put little more consideraton for EOP viewers by having translation for any text they might have on screen (see Koyori weekly show) or asking silly question in english if they can (see Korone)

>>62402755
Hololive members do streams all the time that have a different audience. Esports streams, eceleb streams, male collab streams. Maybe they should appeal to an audience that want to be a part of there consistent audience, instead of being tourist.
Doing a English stream ever so often is a coincident way to have views and build an audience that will superchat, buy merch, buy concerts, and buy membersships. There are no down sides and it would take minimal effort.
Not a single JP member has surpassed Kizuna AI's majority overseas audience. Marine is getting close, the person who used to do tons of EOP pandering when she was smaller.

>>62403012
>where this english only streams demand came from?
From this post >>62397531
In typical ENfag fashion every homo collab is an order from management and never something the girls choose to do.

>>62403122
You're here arguing that you can't watch a stream because it's only in Japanese. You were never going to buy merch or anything else.

>>62402995
That would unironically be a slight incline for her, Bae draws in about 1000 more viewers on average more than Mel does.

>>62402491
>>62402554
Nta but I've been advocating for HoloJP members to learn English for years (though I firmly believe any non-JP member should be willing and prepared to learn Japanese as well), so that they can expand their audience with more clippable moments normalfags could understand. I'm not saying they should stream in kuso engrish once a week, but if they had spent the past 2-3 years of international fame they've had studying English, they'd by now be proficient enough to hold normal convos with the EN girls, and maybe have biweekly/monthly english-only streams to clipbait (again, I would expect ID/ENs to do the same with Japanese).
Of course, that's a double edged sword, as it would invite Westerners with their toxic ideologies to the medium, but at the same time it would make the girls much more internationally famous. On one hand, I'm glad it's remained niche enough that it's mainstream in Japan and only foreigners interested enough in Japanese stuff can follow HoloJP, but on the other hand I would like to see them enjoy worldwide renown.

tl;dr
JPs should learn English
IDs/ENs should learn Japanese
Have English collabs onc/twice a month to clipbait
Picrel: a good example of a JP learning English

>>62403203
Learning English would do literally nothing for JP. EN vtuber fans are a dying audience.

>>62402554
How regular is regular EN streams? Lets say 10% of their streams were in English. The Hololive fanbase is adults and act like adults. At least the fans on youtube who actually watch streams and videos, not the social media fans who need drama to talk about. It would not be a problem if the EN members did about as many Japanese streams as JP members did English streams.

>>62403123
Still off topic but didn't Mumei and Kanata get roped into homo collabs because they were not told about them being there

>>62403254
My point is that
a) they wouldn't be a dying audience (to the current extent at least) if they had been pandered to more, so more people stayed post-pandemic
b) the audience can be revitalised if the girls start learning English now, but that would take years to bring results and by then it may or may not be too late. Still, I believe it's worth a try

>>62403203
This, thank you for understanding what I was getting at that this Last Samurai anon refuses to consider that it might be beneficial.

>>62337316
She's easing up on gfe because her granpa actually got mindbroken from her whoring aways

If you want to watch JP in English that bad just watch vods with autogenerated subs.

>>62403203
No thanks, they're doing fine without fake fans

>>62403187
You become a fan first and then you but merch. Also, I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking about the EN fanbase as a whole.
There are English fans who are already a fans of a particular JP member, then there are English fans who just like HoloJP as a whole, then there are the HoloEN only fans who will gladly accept any JP member as an unoffical EN member. The latter 2 groups are the ones that can increase merch sales. Quite a few will even jump over to becoming the first group.

>>62403527
Or watch FWMC

>>62403436
>they wouldn't be a dying audience (to the current extent at least) if they had been pandered to more, so more people stayed post-pandemic
Yes they would. The EN audience wanted 100% English vtubers, got them and became bored of them.
>the audience can be revitalised if the girls start learning English now
What fucking audience? The tiny minority of lazy weeaboos that somehow have not learned enough japanese to piss their pants over JP streamers not speaking English to them? That's the only group that wants the shit you're asking for, while EVERYONE else just watched EN vtubers.

>>62403254
I would not say its dying, more like oversaturated and I do blame Cover little bit for focusing too much on USA instead trying to get a foot hold in Europe too. Now its overtaken by indies

I had a feeling Mel would eventually fumble her career after it was exposed a few weeks ago that she was secretly playingnfps games with coworkers offscreen (which is basicly online dating/sexting. No i am not joking.). Her manager should have forcibly stepped in, shut down this faggotry and put her on a diet so she stops operating at sub 80 iq with hrr malnutrioned anorexic brain. And now you have the retards in this thread pretending this doesnt matter when this is the same kind of shit that ruined laplus career and almost drove her to graduation last year. When a hologirls cocklust flares up she needs to be reigned it or terrible things hsppen.

>>62403569
Nobody becomes a fan just from having one stream a month to watch. It's a completely worthless thing to do.
You would be complaining about the holos streaming in Chinese if they were still in China. This is all about you wanting to be pandered to.

>>62382052
I typed these words

>>62403835
Management literally doesn't care about idol culture they just let the talents do what they fucking want as long as they don't get much work to do. If Hololive took the idol cgdct road that was only due to the talents and especially sankisei who all refused to collab with the new homos.

>>62403203
Those fans who invite their toxic ideologies were sadly, there at the very beginning (by beginning I mean beginning for EOPs/since cat Mario). I have never seen a fandom who is has been this good at fighting those ideologies away. If your really worried about those ideologies, its the investors that are the threat. Increasing there English fanbase will increase there protection against that stuff. Could you imagine what kind of uproar will happen if Cover says anything from that ideology.
Also I think it should only be collabs with EN members in English, but also solo streams and collabs with JP members. Why, because that sounds fun. The same should be true in reverse. I think this cross culture stuff should become one of Hololive's main niches.
Hololive should be know for girls only, idol, and culture gab moe.

>>62403920
>This is all about you wanting to be pandered to.
And what is wrong with that? What do you think the JP fans of the EN girls are doing when they tune in, send SCs and going 'Ohhh Nihongo Jouzu!' when the girls respond?

>>62403578
The girls aren't replaceable, you can't just say watch someone else.

>>62403659
>more like oversaturated
Literally what is this based on?

>>62404044
I completely messed up that last paragraph.
I think the collabs with EN members in English shouldn't be the only time the JP members speak English. JP members should do English solo streams and English only collabs with just other JP members. Why, because that sounds fun.
The same should be true in reverse.
I think this cross culture stuff should become one of Hololive's main niches. Hololive should be know for girls only, idol, and culture gab moe.

>>62404074
>And what is wrong with that?
Nothing, but you're pretending like you're arguing for growth when you're not. You just want to be pandered to and claim that will lead to growth even when it won't.

This thread reeks insecurity lmao. Sage

>>62403659
Euros don't watch vtubers. Euros don't buy merch. Euros don't superchat.

>>62404368
That has to be bait

>>62404074
If you want the JP members to speak English, then I think it would be better to say "I understand you" or something like that instead of English Jouzu.
The main reason JP members don't speak English is because they think being able to speak English and being fluent in English are the same thing.
If you want them to speak English, increase there confidence.

>>62337484
You are correct but people in vt are schizos

>>62338369
People don't go out of their way to interact with people of the opposite sex they don't want to fuck.

>>62404183
They are though.
That's why nobody watches Michael Cat or Reddit Dragon anymore now that they're no longer in hololive.
You have a very very small minority of fans that will follow you no matter where you go but most people don't give a single fuck and just move on after posting about how devastated they were that X or Y graduated

>>62403659
It not the focus on the USA that almost killed it, it's the focus on PST.
Out of PST, EST, and EU times, PST is the least populated and is the most inconvenient for the other two. When I visit Europe, it's easier to watch JP then EN. While I'm in EST, both EN and JP are inconvenient to watch.
If cover focused on EST it would appeal to 4 times as many people is the USA and it would be more convenient for EU time as well. PST could still easily watch too.

>>62405054
PST works out just fine for the East coast.
Euros don't watch vtubers.

>>62405036
...So one day even the likes of Pekora and Marine will be 5k or even 1k shitters if they chose to continue to be streamers in some form past the Blue Dorito?

>>62405290
>5k-1k
If they are lucky

>>62405163
>PST works out just fine for the East coast.
Mmmm not really, I have to choose between late EN streams or JP streams. I can't do both, not enough time for sleep otherwise.

oh boy another thread with women bitching about how they hate men

>>62405373
>have to choose between...
Thank you for proving my point that works just fine

>>62403598
>Yes they would. The EN audience wanted 100% English vtubers, got them and became bored of them.
I said to the same extent. I believe that some people would have converted, and there would currently be a bigger core international audience than there is now. Also, the EN audience got bored because HoloEN and Cover (both management and talents) dropped the ball hard in years 2 and 3, but that's a separate matter.
>What fucking audience?
As I said above; converts. Just how anime has slowly worked it's way to being kind of accepted in the west, vtubers could have done the same as an extension of that subculture combined with the streaming culture. Especially if there was decent collaboration with Cover/Anycolor and YouTube themselves when Twitch was also fumbling last year, there could have been a major shift in the streaming industry. As I said in the post you replied to, however, it may be too late.
>>62403920
>You would be complaining about the holos streaming in Chinese if they were still in China.
I'd theoretically be fine with that if the CN Holos streamed in Japanese and/or English about as often. Practically this wouldn't work out because China is a shithole and CCP/blbl are horrible partners.
>This is all about you wanting to be pandered to.
Well, yeah, that's how you get an audience, you pander to people. I'm fine with current Hololive as is (despite other problems) because I can understand JP enough to watch HoloJP comfortably and tl for others, but I just think they have a lot more potential.
>>62404044
>its the investors that are the threat.
This is true. The snippets we've seen from the investor meetings involving the clueless JP grandpas are worrying, and fortifying Hololive against them might be advisable. Whether than can be achieved by increasing the foreign audience, I don't know.
Cross-culture is what I'm advocating for too, I believe it is/can be a unique dynamic selling point for Hololive, and it can be further enhanced.
>>62404368
Not sure I can agree with this though, especially
>English only collabs with just other JP members
It could be a fun gimmick stream once or twice a year but it's kinda cringe imo, same with the inverse in EN/ID. There needs to be some pandering, but also some separation. There's gotta be a balance.
>>62404717
I'm a Eurofag. I have watched many vtubers over the past 5 years (less nowadays due to time constraints), all Holos, mostly JPs due to stream times. I superchat whenever I can (jobless uni student), though I prefer showing my support through memberships, and have everything set up to start ordering merch as soon as I have a stable income and a stable address. I'm not saying we are many, but we exist. The EU market is taken by indies/twitch streamers because Cover neglected it. It's tha same circular argument every time: little to no EU viewership->little to no pandering to EU->little to no EU viewership etc. I don't particular mind, but you can't solely blame us Eurofag for this.

>>62405290
Depends ENTIRELY on how they manage their career after leaving. Michael has given every single section of her audience a reason to leave and even told them to do so, and kson isn't even a vtuber half the time.

>>62405482
>mass replying
Fucking retard

Tempiss lost. Nijisanji lost. Homoshits lost. Cope and seethe sisters.

>>62405482
Again, this "convert" audience is a tiny minority of weeaboos. There is no growth in pandering to them.

>>62404717
They do, just not Hololive and I don't super chat because I don't see the point. For the merch, it has to be something I really want and lately hololive merch has been pretty meh. But you are most likely a burger "muh tipping culture and must buy overpriced plastic"

>>62405482
Based EuroChad, the fanbase would benefit if we had more sound-minded people like you.

>>62405482
Were not going to convince these people that HoloJP has an EN audience, so lets shift the conversation.
How do we make the JP members do EN pandering? What methods could we use that wouldn't be rude?

>>62405482
I'm not gonna do long paragraphs but that's clear HoloJP can't pander to current EOPs and expect to get supports from them, all they would do is tell them how much they should collab with homos and honestly most of the girls would hate that. And even if they somehow get nice fans then most Japanese fans who are still the majority of the vtuber/idol market would simply ignore these monthly streams or so. You successfully pandered to a new market but that doesn't mean you will get more views at the end, just more dead subs. (And I wouldn't watch a chuuba that does one monthly stream for me but that's just me maybe)

>>62405482
>It could be a fun gimmick stream once or twice a year but it's kinda cringe imo, same with the inverse in EN/ID
If your a vtuber fan, you've already embraced the cringe.
>Europe
If Kiara actually gets into Eurovision, I think that would be huge for Europe.

>>62339704
>Girlfriend
>has male friends
Assuming they aren't 100% flaming homos you are so fucked.
straight Men and women CANNOT be friends.

>>62406147
>all they would do is tell them how much they should collab with homos
I already know your ignorant. EN fans are more anti male then JP fans. It not even because there in love with them (although they are), but because that content is just boring and not what they came to vtubing for.

>>62405930
>Were not going to convince these people that HoloJP has an EN audience
Why do they need to do forced english streams if they already have an audience? It's not going to grow.

I do feel for Kiara, you can tell she is sore that Cover didn't bring in any Euros in Council nor Advent. Bit ridiculous for her to shoulder the entire burden of a segment of the day all by herself. If Cover actually cared, there should be 2 EU based members in the next EN Gen, if there is one.

>>62404368
But why would they do it if that ends up lowering their numbers? There's not as much English speaking vtuber fans as you guys think, you know?

>>62406254
Theater kids can be friends. I was friends with theater kids of the opposite gender and felt nothing towards them. Vtubers are a bunch of theater kids (some more than others). I don't think they'll be doing it, I just think male female collabs are boring.

>>62405930
HoloJP is English already exists and that's HoloEN

>>62406473
HoloJP IN* not is

>>62406355
see >>62403187

>>62406473
Is this some HoloEN Gen0 joke?

>>62406468
That's because male theatre kids are fucking effeminate and gay and women are not interested in them, they would still fuck your girl if she asked them to.

>>62406473
The girls are not replaceable.

>>62405930
I don't think we the fans have the ability to do anything to change things unfortunately, you need an agent of chaos from within. The times when JP members reached out to overseas fans the most was when Coco was around and probably actively encouraged them behind the scenes and set up streams (Bomb Defuse with Marine and Haachama) that forced JP members to EOP pander. What we need is a new JP member to be the next Coco but I don't think Cover will ever allow that to happen again.

>>62406585
I was the male and I had female theatre friends. Even if they weren't gay they still act like them.

>>62406541
That's my post. If you can't watch their streams you're not their audience. You are NOT going to buy merch just because you can watch one english stream a month.

Is this board just full of actual retard? A lot of Holo tried to pander to EN back in 2020, 2021 but stopped after realizing they weren't gaining anything from that
Subaru still panders to them during her zatsudans but her most popular streams are still her playing rpg like Persona where you would need a good Japanese level to understand basically the least EOP friendly shit

>>62406718
I feel like the times when JP members reached out to overseas fans the most was before Coco, but I don't really remember. It seems to be the presence of members that can speak English natively that causes them to stop.
Lately, the JP members have been reaching out more, just a little.
I see one to way to change things, at least. Holotori got two JP members speaking English, if we can promote more things like that, then I think that's one way to make a chance.

>>62406899
>Is this board just full of actual retard?
Is that a rhetorical question?

>>62406810
I meant this one >>62403569
Whoops sorry.

>>62406899
She should play Xenoblade Chronicles with the English Dub.

>>62337316
She's a prostitute. No one takes "gfe" from literal whores like Mel or Noel seriously.

>>62407024
Nobody becomes a fan just from having one stream a month to watch. It's a completely worthless thing to do.

>>62407160
You overestimate EN fans standers and underestimate their xenophilia

>>62407119
I want to fuck the shit out of noel. She is literally made for breeding.

>>62407276
If they wanted to be fans of japanese vtubers they would already be fans of japanese vtubers. An EOP pandering stream once a month is not going to make a difference.

>>62407119
You don't understand men.
Professional sex is more respectable than casual sex.
And Noel's other content just goes to prove she's a virgin.

>>62407119
So all of them?

>>62408165
You can be both a fan of a JP member as well as enjoy when they speak passion english on occasion, they are not mutually exclusive.

>>62337316
Eggs are drying up

My comment on her channel got shadowbanned

>>62408823
The argument in favor of EOP pandering is that the EOP pandering is a prerequisite to becoming a fan of a JP member.
Have you completely given up on trying to argue that it's going to increase merch sales or some other shit?

>>62408917
What did you say?

>>62403429
No they did not. Mumei knew what she was going into and Kanata has not done a holostar collab. Stop trying to muddy terminology by implying that homo=male.

>>62408985
That's another anon arguing that but I believe both is current
For some they can fall for the member and enjoy, for others they need that bit of pandering and occasionally need more of that pandering. It especially helps merch sales if they up the pandering a week prior to their merch going on sale.

>>62410139
Newfags call every single male homos because they don't know that we used to make fun of them not because they are males but because they are all failures, if homos were as popular as Niji males nobody would call them homosh*rts

>>62410721
All male chuubas are homos

>>62411213
retard

>>62339270
Why?

>>62342191
no. If they don't fuck, then it is not cheating

>>62412313
Hey, you watch homos not me
Enjoy your 'brotubers' fruitloop lmao

>>62406810
>You are NOT going to buy merch just because you can watch one english stream a month.
Counterpoint: Gura

>>62414129
Retarded false equivalence.

a mel shitpost reaching bump limit??

>>62416768
I double it's length with this comment >>62397531
Hit crtl F then search English.

>>62337350
>>62398733
>consider the audiences feelings.
>consider the chinese people feelings.
You are the typical dramafag that only browse catalog and shitposts.