/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Who are these people? My first vtuber was Gawr Gura.

Nijiseethe

>use someone else's channel to your benefit unattended for years
>declare retirement and leave channel idle
>2 years pass
>now a 3view in another company entirely
>original owner makes a public request to revive the old channel, even though it's wholly unnecessary to ask, to make a peaceful public transition that benefits both parties
>use your fucking hololive identity to make a spiteful remark and cause drama out of an otherwise trivial matter
My takeaway is that Shiori/Moe is a stupid bitch.

>>62337413
oh come on
at least the op is cute

Can we talk about Malice and her four boyfriends here?

>PL discussion is okay when it's not the jannys oshi
Oh, well okay then.

>>62337965
It's okay as long as their PL is also a vtuber.

It's not PL anymore when she uses her holo account to respond lmao

>>62337831
>losing your entire channel
>trivial matter
also
>now a 3view
lmao, you are not even hiding it anymore

>>62337413
Shut up Eilene.

>>62338010
Bullshit. Senzawa threads get autodeleted half the time they're made.

>>62338116
Not a vtuber, also you can discuss a lot of pls including but not limited to: kson, mikeneko, kuro, matara, henya, etc.

>>62338046
>your
Are you black? All parties concerned know it's not Moe's channel. Never was, never will be.
>3view
Just calling them as I see them.

>>62338180
>not a vtuber

>>62337413
Holy fucking based.
>>62337831
Stop being a dramanigger. She has no intention of using the otaku moe channel. That's literally why she created raven manor or whatever.

>>62337831
They are both quite shitty.
The entire clique was. Moe ditching them didn't stop her from being bland and quite bitchy to be perfectly honesty with you.
I certainly tried to watch her when people hyped her up in the day, and again when the "Moe is Melody" jokes came up, but she's honestly just repulsive in personality. (not in the vulgar sense, in the "pushing away" sense, well, I guess also that)
If you watch her all power to you, just not for me.
Eilene can fuck right off though.

>>62338249
>>62338116
Whine to the (other) mods then. It's his oshi, he hates any slight against her.
The rest of the mods would be more than happy to bitch slap his autistic ass half way across the entire fucking site again like when /qa/ was around.

>>62337831
>public request
this is the problem you dumb fuck, nothing about that needed to be public

Told you this bitch was a mistake to hire for Hololive. I was right. Ship her off to Vshojo now before she damages the brand any more.

>>62338479
>nothing about that needed to be public
But enough about Shiori

>>62338208
you might want to get those eyes of yours checked, Eilene

>>62338493
>any more
She has done nothing to hurt the branch so far.
The closest seem to be Calli Horse references, which if they ever go too far will probably end with her getting not only suspended but also sued.

>>62338569
>Calli Horse references
Wait what?

>>62338410
Eileen might be a jew but Eileen at least produced good, cutting edge content at one point. I can't say the same about Natsumi "leech my way all the way into Hololive" Moe.

>>62338724
>one cartoon character hits another cartoon character in the head with a mallet
>cutting edge content

>>62338612
I forget the context but shiori brought up the horse thing in a steam, mostly as an offhand comment thinking it was a meme. Then chat told her it was NG and not just a meme

>>62337413
Who? QRD

why dont you prove your worth again, Eilene? instead of seething at Moe's success and extorting her

>>62337413
>Old 4chan IRC group starts an anime related project, this case being a TTS anime girl meme channel
>Gets traction and a large fanbase
>typical drama ensues as is the status quo for IRC group projects
>many members leave, including the creator. One in particular sticks around and finds decent success on her channel
>Same member mentioned above leaves that to join Hololive
>As a result of that her previous channel gets some traction by the nature of being a holo PL channel.
>Now the same original channel creator comes back after years to reclaim ownership of something they abandoned 4 years prior. Despite not being involved in most of the stuff uploaded on that channel.

I feel like I've seen this exact same scenario at least 5 times now. /vt/ really is the result of all those /a/ IRC trannies growing up a decade later.

>>62338531
Getting <100k views in a week is 3view. Simple as.

God I wish there was a justification to report these fucking threads.

>>62338789
Who is this ENshart quoting?

>>62338859
Same as how half of the fansubbers of old are now pathetic localizers that poison the industry as we know it and the other half weren't talented to get jobs and seethe endlessly at them.

>>62337413
>hit the big time
>everyone you know wants a piece
A tale as old as time, feel bad for Shiori

>>62338387
Shiori clearly has no stake in the channel at this point but still expresses public resentment at Eilene through her holo persona. That's why she's a stupid bitch. It's of no benefit to anyone other than dramafags.

>>62337831
Hello Eilene.

>>62338859
>notice no one is going to ever use your biggest channel again
>want to come back to vtubing and rebrand the channel for personal use

>>62338859
qrd? What is an /a/ IRC?

>>62338569
Her association with Hololive and using her Holo identity to bitch about this is damaging the brand. I hope they suspend the dumb cunt for this.

>>62338724
Hi Eilene, still hanging on to the past I see, your staggering laziness and greed burned your entire group's potential and popularity to the ground plus judging by your "totally should've been publicly announced" personal request it appears you haven't changed at all.

Been a while since a thread had such a stench of being made by the person its about.


Fuck off Eilene.

Rent free

>>62339179
mel still regularly makes thread though

>>62339236
Who the fuck is mel?

>>62339041
Did you miss this part?
>Now the same original channel creator comes back after years to reclaim ownership of something they abandoned 4 years prior. Despite not being involved in most of the stuff uploaded on that channel.

>>62338180
Vshojo works the opposite of other vtuber corpos in that they want people to discover a vtubers past life so their old fans will follow them over. They even go as far as to drop heavy past life hints in teaser videos, and use different twitter hashtags so fans can immediately tell if a new member was an indie or ex-corpo. Nijisanji and Hololive on the other hand, would prefer that we don't discuss the past lives of their vtubers so fans don't get funneled to the personal accounts of their members, and it makes it a bigger risk for their chuubas to leave.

>>62338931
>big time
OtakuMOE was already a big channel. That's why she's mad about getting cut off from it.

>>62337831
lmao at least hide your anti seethe

>>62339420
And yet Shiori used her holo account to tweet about her past like 100 days into joining the label. What a retard.

>>62339420
Explain all the references to their PL in the design then (FWMC and Shiori)

>>62338724
sis, you will never join hololive no matter how hard you cry

>>62339536
That's all you got Eilene you daft cunt?

I don’t know anything about any of this shit, call me a newfag all you want. Is this Eileen person a Japanese ESL male? I don’t get it.

>>62339387
okay but i dont see the issue? shes literally the owner of the channel and no one's gonna use it anyway

>>62339536
>the label

>>62339536
If you think that is some evil crime, then you must really hate Sayu, the 2 recent Vshojo hires, Nazuna, Delta, etc.

All of the above have made it a selling point to bitch about grievances from their PL on their new personas, yet /vt/ praises the shit out of all of them. A single tweet is nothing in comparison.

>>62339536
Sure she did dumbass. Now point to the tweet where she states exactly word for word.
>Captcha: DOXDOX

Eilene just can't help himself

>>62339706
Imagine if Yagoo just tweeted out of nowhere “Hey Coco can I revive your channel and post on it?”

>>62337831
The anti's still trying, jesas. Just go back to iketog already.

Eilene is washed up and a failure in today's sphere.

>>62338861
You must be very new. Or very ignorant, I guess

going to sleep like a baby knowing Moe is about to make a comeback and mog shiori

>>62338861
Anon….. 3view refers to CCV. Nobody in HoloEN is a 3view, even on the lowest end.

>>62337831
My takeaway is that Eilene didn't need to make a public twit for this. It feels just like wanting to pressure for the sake of pressuring. A PM and some patience should have resolved this unnecesary bullshit.

Shiori/Moe making a Twit with the Holo account it's kinda what probably the dumbass of Eilene wanted. I hope both take a step back and relax because if cover gets somehow involved in this bullshit no one is winning, not certainly Shiori, and I bet Eilene even less.

>>62339740
It's not a matter of right or wrong, it's a matter of incompetence. It was just pointed out that Hololive operates according to a different standard. A standard she broke and was told to delete the tweet for. HoloEN's always damaging the brand over stupid petty shit like this and she basically did a yab speedrun.

>>62339895
unless it's a defamation or harassment case, cover can't do shit beside telling shiori to stfu. which they probably did, hence the tweet deletion.

>>62339980
>muh standard
answer me first >>62339583

>>62338861
>>62339092
>>62339378
Just out of curiosity where did you newfags come from? Please lurk for at least a week.

>>62339895
There's nothing to pressure, Eilene owns the channel. She can delete it without asking anyone. The tweet was simply to show good faith toward the channel's previous user before reviving it/handing it to someone else. Saviorfags are inventing victimization where victimization doesn't exist.

>>62340120
showing good faith, riiight

>>62339895
>A PM and some patience
Waiting for infinity lol cuz she ghosted Eilene

>>62340049
References are permitted where they don't negatively influence the holo's image. Assuming it's true, Shiori having references shows that cover believed that the relationship between her and her past life was good enough to have subtly on display. She just fucking sabotaged that with the tweet. Do you think it makes sense that she now has references on her debut design to a PL that she apparently hates? Do you think that makes sense for Cover?

>>62340161
Concession accepted, ENshart.

I don't get it

>>62339387
Eileen was gracious enough to give Moe an established channel with many subscribers. Moe is is indebted to her.
Besides the otaku moe channel has been abandoned for something like 3 years almost. It's original purpose was to be an engliah translation channel for eilene and beilene videos. Now that natsumi joined hololive, the logical step is to just have to channel go back to it's original purpose.

>>62339378
Natsumi Moe's other persona.

Graduate Shiori immediately. Advent would be better off without her.

Oh c’mon. Jp holos have done far worse on Twitter (Matsuris spergout on her sub when she saw Haachama performing in rushias 3D a long time ago, comes to mind.)
Rather than get into trouble, I think her manager would more than likely try to help if this is a situation that would affect her well-being or something. She didn’t leak any information about other members or staff. It’s not a “yab”.

>>62340489
This but Nerissa.

>All this eilene worshippers coming out of the woodwork
I guess this is Niji's new attack angle?

>>62340485
Imagine braps

Fuck, I don't have enough space to archive the whole channel
Hoarderbros, this one's on you

>>62340489
Jesas the 2view seethe is palpable.
You won't do any better with all that seethe sister.

>All this shiori worshippers coming out of the woodwork
I guess this is Vshojo's new attack angle?

>>62337413
Why do discount Miko and Suisei hate each otehr?

>>62340647
I could, but I dont feel doing it since a lot of it is gone already

>>62340547
Eilene got a lot of people interested in the vtuber concept years ago. Not to mention the influence in Mirai Akari, a pioneer of vtubing.
The only people who hate on Eilene are mega newfaggots who only learned about vtubing when Gura became popular.

>>62340542
>on her sub
Japan takes being retarded on personal accounts vs being retarded on official accounts very differently. As pointed out in >>62340270 this incident affects the Shiori character's image on a fundamental level. Cover probably didn't even know she had this kind of hostility toward Eilene. It takes "good morning sex" levels of personal retardation to cause a yab, it only takes making fun of janitors using an official identity to cause a yab.

>>62340761
>The only people who hate on Eilene are mega newfaggots
Or the ones that hate all the shit that he's done perhaps?

>>62340761
AKA ENsharts, Shiori's new main audience as this thread makes extremely evident.

>>62340821
>asking permission for taking back her own channel from someone who abandoned it years ago and backing out of a failing vtubing company that self destructed not long after
Oh no how horrible.

>>62340458
True. I rember watching the Ebola-chan videos and such on there back in the day. Eilene also gave her main channel for Mirai Akari with 200k subscribers as a starter boost.

>>62340647
god i want to do unbelievably lewd things to this immigrant weeb

>>62340784
Lmao, Cover absolutely know about her hatred for Eilene. It's not a secret, she talked about it multiple times already. And it's not like the Eilene Family is a foreign concept to them, they literally hired one from there way before Shiori. It shouldn't be a surprise that they have employee previously worked for Eilene
https://youtube.com/shorts/KvLy_5VjIKw?si=ROKaOOund961jVyl

>>62339092
Oh my fucking god, just kill me at this point

>>62340916
>Being this disingenuous about it
Kek, thanks for the laugh.

>>62338918
Shouldnt have been surprising, speedsubbers were only good because they didnt have the time to inject their personalities and every resub was commie tier.

BRING BACK MY WIFE

>>62340949
Are you really speculating an entire corporation's understanding and attitude based on a vague youtube short from an actor and one of the parties involved? Do you think anyone goes to a job interview and talks a bunch of shit about their previous boss?

>>62340821
Everyone from that era is a garbage person. Idolfaggotry and expecting your 'oshi' to be something more than human came much later.

Defend your whore oshi, Novelcucks

>>62341051
>stating facts is disingenuous

>>62341188
She doesn't hide her hatred for Eilene at all, not to Moe's audience, not to Shiori's audience. How could Cover not know

>>62341369
Do you have something better than an extremely superficial 1 minute video to back that up?

>>62338789
What?

As of today Shiori streams the least, has the worst CCV and does nothing beneficial or idol-like for Cover. She's not Hololive material and her probation period hasn't changed many minds. Doing GFE was a mistake and she's turning on her fans now but it's not like she has any real talent people care for. There's a good reason she was a failed 2 view for so many years.

>>62341434
How about the mountain of proofs already posted last thread(s)

>>62338859
Yes, but 4 chan was actually creative back then.

>>62341365
>Let's just ignore the part where he abandoned her with someone she utterly despised.
>Let's just ignore all the proof that was posted the previous two threads.
Yes, disingenuous.

>>62341491
Ok sister, maybe try harder on your application and stop seething about it here and maybe you would have beaten Moe to Shiori's spot.

>>62337965
Could you link me to this "no PL" rule you're talking about

>>62339092
Being this new should be a bannable offense.

>>62341491
>There's a good reason she was a failed 2 view for so many years.
I made this post. She scrapped by with her twitch beta orbiters for years and never reached the same hights she got under Eilene. Even the blue dorito couldn't motivate her to improve.

>>62341514
>>62341542
>my proof is some shit people said on 4chan
lol
lmao

>>62341649
>link to what shiori said
>image to what moe said
>>some shit people said on 4chan

At least wait for there to be new developments in the saga before making a new thread

>>62341586
Where's her cover? Where are her collabs or an effort to integrate into Hololive? She doesn't give a shit and it's plain to see. The audience also reflects that, her fanbase is full of mentally ill schizo newfags who know nothing and don't care for Hololive either. She's a waste of space.

>Eilene abandoned her, just disappeared right off the face of the earth!
So how was Moe making money off of the channel?

>>62341735
Try harder next audition sis

>>62337413
Does Eilene design still looks like that? It's like it came from a Dreamcast era visual novel...

>>62341735
>cover
Literally said she's working on one.
>collabs
Let me guess sis, openvc doesn't count, joining Fauna in minecraft by herself doesn't count, and bonding with other holomems like Mumei, Fauna, IRyS and Mori doesn't count.
Ogey sis, try again for en4 after you stop seething.

>>62341836
I don't think Eilene took any cut of Moe's revenue

>>62342056
Now it's AI abomination

>>62340761
Eleine and >her clique also rightfully got kicked out of /jp/ after introducing western vsister drama to the vtuber general back in the day. Even before the /vyt/ general existed, Eleine already had a bad reputation on /a/ for being a really persistent shill

If you were actually there you'd know that, but we all know you're just a newfag who spent an hour on wasoru or something and think you have the authority to say shit.

>>62337701
Read the op again. No not you anon, I’m talking to the idiots you’re pretending to be.

>>62342244
That's unironically Eilene you are replying to

>>62341369
>not to Moe's audience,
Oh I rember her shizo rants about toxic and SEA youtube audience. So she streamed for 50 viewers on twitch

>>62338799
how does it being porn make it a no go?
Or was there something else to it?

was eilene first chuuba who literally had to eat grass to survive? honestly that's the only thing besides doing hologra before hologra that I remember her for

>>62342119
Oh shit I'd rather have Muvluv's Eileen back

The legal ownership of rigging a character designed by Ai is probably gravy as fuck

>>62341723
>a tweet cover made her delete
>PL menhera discord rant
>completely nonspecific short about her interview
All this shit is solely Shiori's account, which does not reflect Cover's overall stance. If she's really the tortured workhorse that's been held back by everyone that she says she is, why doesn't she fucking stream? Why was her post-retirement personal channel shitty and low effort? Why is she the runt of her generation?

>>62342119
>I don't think Eilene took any cut of Moe's revenue
That's not abandonment, that's a handout.

>>62336204
>If there were contractual obligations then show the contract. If there's no contract then there are, de facto, no obligations. If Moe believed Eilene failed her responsibilities she had years to leave, yet didn't. Why are you trying to garner sympathy for Moe using a channel that Eilene apparently abandoned for her own purposes, yet Eilene the rightful owner of the channel taking back a channel Moe already abandoned 2 years ago is suddenly a bad guy? It reeks of bias. Moe becoming a holo means that there's no possibility of her coming back, so the channel is truly dead if Eileen doesn't come back, maybe that's why she suddenly reappeared.
Was wondering myself about whether the person behind Natsumi Moe had contractual obligations that prevented her from just leaving. Also the fact that Eilene did give the person behind Moe the boost in numbers back then like how cover does with their hires today. Regardless of if that’s the case, Moe afaik seems to be the kind that’s easy to push around.

>asks for proof
>here it is
>"d-doesn't count"

>>62342546
She has been a bottom-feeder vtuber as Moe and will continue being one as Shiori. I don't understand how people have trouble realizing this. The model buff can't carry it all. See Kronii.

>>62342376
I guess she assumed it was some absurdist nonsense someone made up as a meme or a reference to something Mori said on-stream once. Not that it’s in reference to actual AI voice clips people have jerked off to.

>>62342652
Posting more shit Moe said indeed does not represent Cover's stance in any meaningful capacity. I accept your concession.

>>62337413
I WANT TO GO BACK

>>62342546
She was still busy with her archivist job.

>>62342829
The golden era...

>>62342637
Moe was always an odd ball. She does things that a numberfag would do but she's totally fine with a slow growth; it probably drives Eilene crazy back then

>>62342637
How could Eilene be pushing Moe around when the narrative is that Eilene disappeared entirely?

You weren't there, back on /jp/. There was only 100% unity. It was the sweet spot with popularity, but without trolls and antis.

>>62342947
Like not reaching out to the big corpo and stubbornly stayed with her group of literal who?

>>62342986
That's what I don't get. If Eilene wasn't around, doesn't that mean Moe could do anything she wanted?

>>62342546
>Can't help but bring up her PL for brownie points constantly to her new much larger audience instead of moving on
Hmmm swear i've seen this before somewhere...

>>62343055
Yes, include paint everyone else as the bad guy while there's nobody to voice to the contrary. Moe self praises and blames others way too easily to be a low self esteem archetype.

>>62343055
Anon, she never had full control over the channel. Eilene still owns "Natsumi Moe" in every way, he could fuck her up anytime like it's happening right now. She did try rebranding and getting away from it before it happen tho

>>62339092
I’ll spoon feed you
/a/ is short for anime & manga
before /vt/ was created, discussions about vtubers were had on /a/, so when it comes to discussions about things that happened back then it gets brought up.
I’ve only been on /here/ for a few months and only today realized that /a/ was short for anime & manga. Was able to figure it out myself because I have basic reading comprehension skill.

Malice/Moe/Shiori is nothing but a grifter and a leech. It's saddening that Cover employees were scammed by hiring her. Clearest Nepo hire ever.

>>62343184
How does reviving a channel that she abandoned years ago fuck her up in any way whatsoever?

>>62343184
>Anon, she never had full control over the channel.

That doesn't answer my question. Couldn't she post any video she wanted or collab with whoever? How was she both abandoned and slaved at the same time?

>>62343257
She holds her "diaries" dearly. Right now, it's less of fucking it up and more of tarnishing its name. But back then she could've get fucked up anytime without any notice

Delusional novelsimps don't make any sense. Just admit she's a whore already

>>62343051
And for some reason she sticks with the group for a godly long time goddamn
That's why I'm more leaning to agree with the rrat that moe was likely poached instead

>>62343362
You're making Shiori sound like a massive narcissist right now.

i remember eileine from the moemi era but didn't watch moe, what's the drama between them?

>>62343428
She isn't?

>>62343362
>But back then she could've get fucked up anytime without any notice
Yes, but she didn't. I don't know why you keep bringing that up.

>>62343428
>You're making Shiori sound like a massive narcissist right now.
During her debut she just kept praising herself for doing everything by herself better than everyone else.

>>62343303
And she did just that, she was slaved because she had to did everything almost by herself. She wasn't doing very financially, that's why she had to do fucking freelancer work as a video editor as a side gig

>>62339420
I remember digging deep and found there’s recent comments on long abandoned past lives (even a past life of a past life) who’re completely clueless as to where the content creator is now. I don’t have a youtube account myself, can’t currently be bothered enough to, so I didn’t go giving them cryptic hints about it
eg if you would explore the youtube anime fan community long enough you’ll find them again

>>62343543
That's not called slavery, that's called responsibility.

>>62343543
>she was slaved because she had to did everything almost by herself
That makes no sense. You aren't a slave if you're free to do whatever you want.

>>62343048
A pity they were all miserable and oppressed by giant Japanese corporate cock

>>62337413
Eilene WON

Moe LOST
Shiori LOST

>>62342829
It's over, anon. We have to move on...

I really don't see how Eilene is "tarnishing her name" exactly
there is not need to exaggerate and act like women

>>62343543
Well that's the definition of a job. If it doesn't pay you well, quit. Did Moe do subathons? Collab with famous people? Stream on youtube instead of hidden twitch streams?

She hated Eilene, and Moe and didn't make any money but she couldn't ditch that channel/persona?

>>62343191
Jesus fucking christ everything here is wrong anon wtf bro.

Vtuber discussion was shut down extremely quickly on /a/, shit I even remember seeing kizuna ai image reaction posts getting zapped on the spot back in 2016./jp/ was where all the vtuber discussion went, and when that board's 2hu fags got heated enough over Holo Myth's off topic general,/vt/ was made as a result.
Either way I'm pretty sure they were asking what an IRC is, which was a simpler precursor to discord with voice and text chatrooms.

>>62343682
I kneel.

>>62343532
Jesus christ. I don't watch ENs but based on that retelling of her interview I believe it. Saviorfags really jumped into a pit this time.

>>62343048
I would have loved to have seen it. I can always check archives at least but it would have been great to see our own history

>>62342829
Sora surviving so long is a miracle, having good company to back her up is really a benefit

>>62343698
I got a feeling that kiara just got a contender for the last person that would leave hololive...

>>62343048
I went directly from 2014 ebola-tan videos to Mikochi. Pink woman GOOD.

>>62338249
>moosesus
She was funny then
She is still funny now

>>62343901
As if, she's ditching as soon as she squeezes all the money from the lonely virgins she's preying on.

>>62343682
BASED?
also still sad H.Live didn't work out

>>62338249
The only funny woman on the planet

>>62343690
Shiori already committed an obvious fault with the deleted tweet so now her defense force needs to fabricate a rationale so that Eileen somehow deserved that kind of response.

>>62341735
>>62342088
not to mention that she’s seems to be on the cautious side when it comes to getting to know other, which certainly pushes back any collabs outside of advent for a while. Note that Shiori had already been regularly interacting with the rest advent since long before they actually debuted. & only sparsely with the rest of EN.

>>62337413
Pretend i dont know who elaine is and explain it.

>>62344030
I dunno, that might be the normal mindset of a twitchthots, but moe was always a big weirdo

>>62341491
>She's not Hololive
Like 80% of Hololive EN is not hololive material and can be best described as basic white girls (even the ones that aren't white). Im not saying Shiori isn't average but its not like she is alone on that boat.

>>62343191
Spoonfeeding should also be a bannable offense. Why the fuck can't this board gatekeep properly?

Tuned in to Shiori playing A Hat in Time last night, and it's just acceptably cute girl playing a videogame? I genuinely don't know what some of your problems are, as if Hololive only has the most absolutely talented women on the planet. Newsflash, you hate EN because you understand the language, and anime is cringe. The JP girls are exactly the same as the EN girls, just autistic goofy cringe girls pretending to be cute and play videogames, but it's less cringe and more cute because you don't understand the language. Check yourselves faggots

>>62343055
>>62342986
>>62343149
here, let me spoon feed you toddlers
>>62318441
>>62318516
>>62335603

>>62343700
IDK, from what I’ve gathered from the past 3 threads, Eilene seemed to be some proto-vtuber was before kizuna ai was a thing.

>>62341620
Try discussing guras PL.

>>62344543
I’ll try to be more rude & patronizing the next time I spoon feed.

>>62344639
Western women bad*
East asian women good
Simple as
*If you grew up in the west you are western women, even if you are racially asian. Sorry, not sorry.

>>62344639
This thread is about Moe and Eilene. Shiori is off-topic.

>>62344857
Laplus in your retarded path

>>62344664
>I'M SO MISERABLE I'M SO SUICIDAL AIIIIIEEEEEEEE EVERYONE LOOK HOW MISERABLE I AM ON TWITTER

>>62344664
Pointing to a bunch of rants doesn't answer the question.

>Moe was enslaved.
>But also she was totally on her own.
>But she was gifted the model and a channel without having to give a cut of her income.
>She didn't like her SEA fans.
>The money sucked.
>The amount of work sucked.
>But she still refused to leave to be on her own terms.
>She was suffering under slavery and poverty but not enough to get some blue collar job and redebut on her own terms.
>Because she would be a 1 view without the Eilene brand name.
>But hated Eilene even though Eilene never even gave her any job responsibilities.

This shit doesn't fit. It's like Moe had to pay a debt back because it's insane to stick to that situation otherwise.

>>62344832
Better yet, know what the hell your talking about before spoonfeeding. You were completely wrong and come off as more of a newfag than the post you tried to spoonfeed

>>62343362
>She holds her "diaries" dearly
Is this an irony? Novelties why
She deleted VODs on 3 channels, even on her own malice, literally, diary. Asked the archiving simp to delete unofficial archive of twitch vods. Finally deleted VODs and erased mentions of her "oppressor" whose channel she never had full control over.

>>62344924
And yet half this thread is about her directly mentioning her and nobody cares. This is a thinly veiled doxthread and jannies allow it to stay.

She will have to consult a lawyer and get this cleaned up.
The best would be to cut off all contacts with a manipulator.
She probably won't be able to keep the Moe channel and will have to give up on it, but she can make sure Eilene won't be able to use it without her previous content to profit from her popularity too much.
Even if he tries it will still give the same failures and bad results because of how he doesn't manage anything with a negative mindset.

That's why you have to make things properly and work with honest people with strong morals.
How ironical that Hololive managed to be better than competition just by being average.

When your competition likes to shoot itself in the foot, you don't have to do anything...

>>62337413
>The mother of vtubing
Roru, Eileen is the biggest failure in vtubing for reason

>>62345055
>Moe says she was exploited and manipulated
>but Moe also says one tweet later she was in charge of everything
This is called a self contradiction and it happens when a person is either being disingenuous or dishonest. Or schizophrenic, I guess. Moe's behavior completely falls into the "I am the greatest and simultaneously everything bad is other people's fault" mindset, which is always narcissism, because the rationale in question fails to acknowledge her inability to change the situation for the better instead of just bitching and blaming, and also fails to acknowledge the fact that she was a volunary participant the entire time. Never trust someone that destructively accuses others without including their responsibility.

Furthermore if Moe wasn't a spiteful retard she would realize none of these public outbursts benefit her in any way, hence why Cover put a muzzle on her right away with the latest one.

>>62345317
What would be the point of paying a ton of money to a lawyer over a dead channel that is at best collecting a trickle of money from residual views?

>>62345317
Lol. She can't do anything and even being angry about it makes her look like a bitch which is why her manager silenced her.

>>62345387
she's is a failure
but she's our failure
show her some respect

>>62345462
>What would be the point of paying a ton of money to a lawyer over a dead channel that is at best collecting a trickle of money from residual views?

Exactly. The absolutely awful channel that was so horrible, she had to make her own alt while keeping the character. Even though it slaved her and was all bad memories. The channel that made zero money and took backbreaking amounts of work (that no boss asked her to do since the boss left it on her hands). But she still wants to keep it for herself to this day though, holo be damned.

>>62345398
There's no contradiction here. She was exploited by having to do all the work, despite the fact Eilene promised to do it personally, or hire someone else to do it. It's extremely easy to understand what the problem is here.

>>62345474

Chances Sh**ri is being grilled by Henmama as we speak? She has had absolutely no activity today.

>>62345030
Yes there is that, but amongst all that there’s certain details that explain her animosity.
Basically that Eilene told her that she would be hired as a vtuber & would have a manager to help her. Moe never got a manager, and not only had to be her own manager, but ended up essentially being manager for her own boss, Eilene, as well.
Why didn’t she just leave? Dunno,
could’ve been a few different things; contractual obligations, the numbers brought in by being under Eilene, Moe being easily pushed into doing all the heavy work due to being young & dumb as it started about 10 years ago & lasted until 4 years ago (Moe would’ve been teen or early 20’s at the start to early/mid/or-late 20’s at the end as it lasted about 6 years), maybe there was some other reason, maybe it was a mixture of what’s been mentioned. Again I don’t know

>>62345317
That would be a wasted effort if she did that. Shiori's deleted tweet implies that Eilene is going to take the channel with or without consent. Shiori hates what happened but accepts it regardless and is trying to cope. That's why she did a melancholic piano playing twitter space and decided to play with Novelites instead of delaying the stream despite obviously being saddened.

>>62345127
lesson learned, I’ll just shut up & lurk more.
Though it does speed things up to be directly told I’m wrong

>>62345709
>She was exploited by having to do all the work.
Ordered by whom? Is she a debt slave?
>"Ok Anon, go mown my lawn OR ELSE, I guess I'll do nothing if you don't want to. But don't you dare look for another job. Because reasons."

>>62345755
she didn't leave because she realized that without Eilene's character she's nothing
simple as

>>62345833
No one, including Moe, is claiming Eilene was enslaving her, just that she was a bad boss. I can't tell if you're playing dumb or actually too dumb to get it, but you should knock it off either way.

>>62345884
you can say what you want about Eilene but that character oozes SOVL
i always thought that Eilene was just a character Moe made up for the videos

>>62344664
wow she might actually be menhera

>>62345755
>Why didn’t she just leave? Dunno, could’ve been a few different things; contractual obligations,
What contract? She left for holo with 0 repercussions, eilene just came back to life last week.
>Moe being easily pushed into doing all the heavy work due to being young & dumb
By whom? There was no one bossing her around. If she hated Eilene and knew her character was gonna be taken away any second, there was 0 point to stay. Not even by her fans since there was no restriction to say she was moving to a new Vtubing persona.

>>62345931
You expect too much of retarded sisters to be anything but. Probably from nyfco too since there is lots of Shiori hate over there.

>>62338249
>Subtly joke about this
>she doxxes your real name on stream
Talk shit, get hit.

I miss Yomemi. I liked watching her play shooters even if I suspected that the gameplay was fake

>>62345931
I think even Elaine herself knows they were a bad boss
but I would never imagine poorfag autistic shitposter to be a good boss in the first place
the whole Eilene project being relatively successful at the time was miracle in itself

>>62345127
>>62345828
btw, this was my impression
>>62344795
>IDK, from what I’ve gathered from the past 3 threads, Eilene seemed to be some proto-vtuber was before kizuna ai was a thing.

>>62345931
>just that she was a bad boss.
Bad boss implies the boss was around giving her bad orders. There was NO BOSS.

Imagine if you work at a pizzeria, then the manager just never shows up one day and you keep working on it despite not being your own business. It's insane

>>62346037
moemi is better

I WANT TO GO BACK

>>62345794
In the end it's better she learns to let go of what brings negativity into her life.
She tried to build something on unstable ground and hoped it would not collapse.

Consulting a lawyer is still a good idea because she needs to know of potential risks in her situation and what to do if Eilene tries again to get more because these types will never get enough and will always come back.

She has to learn to define boundaries and remove toxic people.

I don't know of her situation but it reminds me of another vtuber (Azulim) who managed to get control over her vtuber channel because the company went bankrupt and didn't pay her salary.
She kept the vtuber channel as a replacement to her salary I think because it had no value to the bankrupt company without her.
That could be worth checking out.

I think Azulim made a video on this topic although it happened in Japan, so the situation may be different.

Sisters in this thread aren't aware that she's already over it which is why she deleted it in the first place.
The last stream is enough to have figured that out but of course sisters don't watch streams.

>>62345387
>>62345656
I suspect Eilene made a bunch of money off her early success and went into soft retirement. Actual washups don't just vanish like that, they're persistently driven by the belief that if they just go a little further they can find the formula to their past success or better. Moe was like a renter for a channel that Eilene didn't plan to directly use. If Eilene were really in a position to try to somehow leech Shiori by reviving otakuMOE (this premise seems retarded to me to begin with) she wouldn't have let a 400k+ vtubing channel sit stale for 2 years in the first place.

>>62345755
Never take the "details" from a person expressing animosity at face value. Even if they do have legitimate reasons, their personal reasoning is clouded by the resentment. Also contracts go both ways, speculating that Moe was bound by contract yet Eilene was not is pure BS.

>>62346461
This is not the social media feed of someone that will ever be "over it". Bitch be crazy.

>>62346640
>Also contracts go both ways, speculating that Moe was bound by contract yet Eilene was not is pure BS.

That's true too. If Eilene had responsibilities in the contract, then ditching Moe and failing to commit to them would have made the contract nil.

>>62346736
Worse, it would have made her subject to litigation.

>>62346729
She needs to do some therapy to release the negative past emotions and to set new beliefs over her way of living and what she tolerates in her life.
I thought she had solved this problem when she made a video on this topic a few years ago.

At that time I suggested in her comments to look into her family, and how they behaved because that was the source of her beliefs and behavior.
Until she revisits her past and changes her beliefs associated with her family she will keep repeating the same patterns.
However after she solves her past issues, they will almost magically disappear from her life.

I don't know what her current state is, but I expected her to be in a better mind state from the decision to join Hololive.
Until she goes back into the original starting point of her life patterns they will keep repeating themselves.

>>62346729
I just can't get over
>I hated my time as that persona
you weren't locked in a cubicle with no escape
without Eilene she probably wouldn't even be Holo chuuba right now
one can recognise Eilene was shit boss without going overboard
truly a women moment

I also recommend her reading the Toxic Parents book by Susan Forward in case she didn't already and still has toxic people in her life.

>>62340120
Sure she can delete it, that's why she had to do the public twit. Do you know who has the keys to the account? No. Truth is, making that public twit right now is to put pressure. I don't think she had the keys anymore for the account without having to ask youtube directly.

>>62340261
>Waiting for infinity lol cuz she ghosted Eilene
Could be, yes. Did she try? Awfully convenient the timming. Whats more funny, Shiori could have done nothing , said nothing, reacted nothing to the tweet and it would have been way better for her, but somehow it triggered her enough.

>>62339981
>unless it's
We should see how this evolves. I wouldn't discard Eilene doing some stupid shit that gets her onto a fire. In all the years the amount of crap that could have been avoided if she really thought things thorough before acting...

>>62346995
If someone handed me an established channel and then just left it completely to me to do as I please with no supervision and apparently not even taking royalties after the first year then I'd consider them the best boss ever.

>>62338861
>>62338531
>this
>3views
1views 1-9
2views 10-99
3views 100-999
4views 1000-9999
fucking retards

>>62346995
>one can recognise Eilene was shit boss without going overboard

She mentioned only ever having one (1) job in real life before, and she quit after a couple of days from the stress.
I'm not surprised.

>>62347035
>had to
[Citation Needed]
Asking the previous manager of the channel before reviving it is just a friendly gesture. Assigning a greater meaning to it without evidence is prejudice.

>>62346496
Eilene was pushing and awful amount of sponsors even at some point all were shill videos, like, a video was there? it was a shill video. She had one of the white haired girls (dont remember who) doing those at full speed while everything was crashing into a pit.

>>62347278
That's true. That's also unrelated to Moe's situation. She never got any sponsors.

>>62347247
The only prejudice I have is that the timming is so awful that it makes me eternally suspicious on the why and hows.

>>62339092
the old ass grandparent of today discord trannies, not even memeing

>62339092
How did so many of you "sayurs" fall for this? Also, get back to playing Mobile Legends and drinking Teh Botol.

>>62346995
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that statement. Yes, should could have just quit, and achieving some success as Moe furthered her career, but she hated the job because she was extremely overworked on top of real-life obligations. Lots of people can relate to this situation.

>>62347325
It's related to the "she had earlier retirement". I am doubtful because the money maker was gonna be Mirai Akari, and I always got the impression that she was nearly stolen from her because of being a dumbass regarding contracts so I doubt she got much from that.

>>62346995
What is this
>without Eilene
thing? No one owes anyone shit. Just because eilene gave her a persona doesn't mean she owes shit. The premise of vtubers is the persona and person behind it as one, not the persona and the CEO/manager.

>>62347326
Again, those are just your preconceived notions speaking. If Eilene was a numberfag and/or wanted to screw Moe over she wouldn't have waited 2 years. All she needed to do was reboot otakuMOE to compete over the audience Moe left behind (tried to transfer to her own IP more like) and Moe would in all likelihood have been buried into irrelevance considering how poorly her channel did even without that scenario. Instead she waited until months after Moe debuted with a different company, after the debut buff wore off, and made a formal request even though she by all rights didn't need to.

Practically speaking Eilene's public conduct was fair. Generous, even. There's no reason she'd need to make concessions to a person who left of her own accord and talked a bunch of shit about her in public in the first place.

>>62345931
This dude has been trying to shittalk her and paint her as some sort of psyco for the past 24 hours.
Wouldn't be surprised if its Eilene himself seething hard at her

I see the Eilene defense squad is working overtime.

>>62347706
>The premise of vtubers is the persona and person behind it as one, not the persona and the CEO/manager.

That's why vtubers are 2views until they join holo right? The brand doesn't matter right? Those twins were getting 40 viewers last I remember.

Brand absolutely fucking matters, and would have never been anything without the Eilene brand.

>>62347278
Holos do a lot of shilling. It's even moreso for a successful indie because they get tons of offers and have only one channel to fill those offers. Shigure Ui shills some kind of event or merch in almost every stream. If the channel was doing poorly they wouldn't get shill offers in the first place.

>>62347901
Well, Holos don't do 10 videos of 5 min or less in which 10 are shilling videos with 3 minutes of shilling (exageration, but you get the point).

I watched her channels and at some point I stopped because it was literally too much shilling.

>>62347821
Holo is an oulier only the best of the best can make it into holo, since she made it into holo it just means that she was better then Eilene or any of her gang members.

>>62347413
The problem is that regardless of her frustrations, she entered a situation of her own accord and then after leaving publicly badmouthed her colleagues that, at least publicly, didn't antagonize her at all. It's backstabber behavior.

>>62347956
I'm glad to know Sana is such an incredible streamer that never got in from nepotism, no sir. Oh wait. Specially knowing that Shiori got in from nepotism too, from connections she made from Eilene.

>>62347821
>>62348046
Anon, it's bait. I hope

>>62345977
>”Dunno, could’ve been”
is basically me saying I’m pulling stuff from out of my butt after digesting what I’ve garnered from the threads so far, I even capped it all with
>maybe there was some other reason, maybe it was a mixture of what’s been mentioned. Again I don’t know
I should’ve capped it with
>Let me know if there are any idea out there better than what I’ve listed
hindsight 20/20

>>62348008
So what? If the job sucked and she hated it she's allowed to say so. When I was 18 I worked at Subway, it sucked, my bosses sucked, and I'm not afraid to say it. Maybe you do things differently in the third world but this is Western culture.

>>62348046
Yes sana was an incredible streamer
And no Eilene is the one that is leeching from her, since she made it to holo he has always had the talent a seetheing rosties like Eilene will be very jelous os such a person so he tortured her emotionally very sad situation.
People like Eilene take advantage of others because they are empty, they have nothing no talent no future nothing.

>>62347278
yeah i remember getting tired of moemi's channel because the ratio of skits to shilling random obscure gacha mobile games became too much

>>62347821
>Brand absolutely fucking matters
>would have never been anything without the Eilene brand.
You confuse brand with the persona. The brand is only there as a nifty reference on where you come from. It does not define who you are and definitely not to be indebted with. Your persona, and all the actions you made with it, and the accomplishments, hardships and pain experienced by the person behind it, is the true measure of worth.

>>62348222
you write like a schizo
get help

I think the funniest part in all this is I remember seeing Natsumi Moe mentioned a whole one thread in my almost 3 years browsing /vt/. it was a random thread from a year back talking about her graduation and years long vtubing career. That whole thread literally had no one who knew or cared about her or Eilene's vtuber group legacy in any capacity, just "Who's?" and "Buy an Ad"s spammed until archive.

Now here we are and now that she is a holo member all these suposed missing "oldfag" Eilene fans mysteriously come out to defend the old group and talk about the old days. Almost as if no one gave a shit until the blue dorito became a factor kek.

>>62348271
>You confuse brand with the persona. The brand is only there as a nifty reference on where you come from. It does not define who you are and definitely not to be indebted with. Your persona, and all the actions you made with it, and the accomplishments, hardships and pain experienced by the person behind it, is the true measure of worth.

That's very poetic but nothing to do with real life and industries.

>>62348274
>Says the faggot that has been speging out for the last 24 hours
Projecting much?

>>62342244
>Eleine already had a bad reputation on /a/ for being a really persistent shill
This is literally "it was real in my mind" tier.

>>62348271
if brand and character never truly mattered
she could easily started her own independent channel
but I guess Eilene universe had a much bigger pull

>>62348231
It was a shame, but it only meant she had given up and wanted only to cash out as much as possible. Moemi (thanks didnt remember which one was) seemed tired of the neverending shilling she had to do.

>>62348284
>Now here we are and now that she is a holo member all these suposed missing "oldfag" Eilene fans mysteriously come out to defend the old group and talk about the old days. Almost as if no one gave a shit until the blue dorito became a factor kek.

That's any vtuber. The next wave of HoloEN is being ignored or being shat as 2views right now. Until they debut and suddenly they are the best thing since sliced bread.

Fucking fanboy shit.

I don't really get any of this.
I don't get whether this "Eilene" was a guy or a girl.
However:
>have an anime avatar
>can be anything you want
>choose to look like the most generic of forgettable background characters right off the bat
just surprising that that was their first choice. And the name. Wtf? As far removed from weeb shit as I could possibly imagine a name to be.
Just odd choices alk around.

>>62338724
>Eileen at least produced good, cutting edge content
what the fuck

>>62348406
NIJISEETHE

>>62348284
Funny, because I only knew who Moe and COMDOST were as well and not the grand leech behind it all as well.

>>62348442
Nice not argument but I'm only in this board for the ryona vtubers.

>>62347945
The holos are a corporation and have a division of labor, among multiple similar corpos, and the vtubing environment is much bigger than it used to be. Eileen is just some indie that basically invented the fastest growing entertainment industry of the past decade. It's without a doubt that the channel's health was harmed by not observing a good ratio between shilling and real content, but those shill streams were evidently offering so much money it wasn't a concern. The demand was insanely high, and advertising a company isn't some low class work like filling out consumer surveys. It's not like there's some low level streamer demographic that spends all their time shilling to barely get by, all the 2 views and 3 views are desperately making content in the hopes they can eventually get popular enough to get a shill deal at all. If Eilene is a millionaire I wouldn't be surprised at all.

>>62348426
It doesn't matter if she is a woman or a man, the actions are the same for good and bad.

Those were other times, eilene universe was weird all around as was vtubing in it's beginings.

>>62348284
>proud of being newfag
despicable
this may come as a surprise to you but Eilene and her characters were popular and had long time fans

>>62348434
It's the fag Eilene himself sucking his own dick
Bet is he gonna start posting again to show the world his "cutting edge" faggotry

>>62348434
Yes? How many youtubers around did videos on ebola chan or boku no pico reviews. Almost 4 years before Kizuna AI even started. Like it or not, it's cutting edge.

>>62348434
>The delusions is getting to bizzaro /vt/ levels
Enjoying all of this with popcorn and coffee

>>62338724
>Making videos about whatever is a huge /pol/ or /a/ meme at the time or reading unfunny comments ad nauseum for content
I was around back then and I don't remember her being talked about in any positive way

>>62348189
It's because I don't live in a shithole we have concepts like reasonable doubt and constructive criticism. Moe acted like a nigger.

>>62348434
A lot of people have mid-2010s internet nostalgia

>>62348537
It was just rambling TTS, it was unbearably autistic

>>62348472
>He thinks any of the gibberish he is writing is an argument
N I J I S E E T H E
I J I S E E T H E
J I S E E T H E
I S E E T H E
S E E T H E
E E T H E
E T H E
T H E
H E
E

>>62338249
"Yvroyya" is a time traveller from an alternate future who went back to change his timeline, and nothing you say can convince me otherwise.

>>62343191
>before /vt/ was created, discussions about vtubers were had on /a/
This never happened you faggot. People tried posting vtubers on /a/ and were promptly laughed at and banned for being off topic. What is with all this blatant fucking historical revisionism in this thread.

>>62348426
SEETHING

>>62348587
>It was just rambling TTS, it was unbearably autistic

Gold, coming from 3 tangents per minute ADHD shiori.

>>62348686
Shiori is a real person and not a TTS engine

>>62348434
>>62348549
The ebola series was good and the /pol/ content was cutting edge. Eilene's also a vtuber from years before Kizuna Ai. Seethe all you want but Eilene definitely is a more noteworthy figure in vtubing history than Moe.

>>62341491
>waaa she's not Hololive material, she doesn't fit in!

Go back to watching your oshi gush over a vampire like a bitch in heat, you insincere little brownoid.

>>62348504
You know I said almost 3 years BECAUSE this board is almost 3 years old, right? I was there when /jp/ was seething over Eilene being talked about in the vtuber general, and when her videos would be posted on /a/.

Just saying nobody from this board knew who the fuck she was, and almost all of this thread is LARPing as an anti angle
>>62348537
A shit ton of anime youtubers were doing this years before she did, there is nothing original about that.

>>62348720
Edgy doesn't equal good

>>62348760
Goodness is a matter of personal opinion. Significance is not.

>>62348760
These retards just need to be acknowledged in ANY way possible and "their" vtuber immediately becomes the shit. Look at early Pippa for example.

>>62348575
You can get somebody to complain about a shitty boss in 30 seconds of conversation. Anybody at all. At least here in America, I don't know how it is over there in SEA.

>>62348488
Hello Eilene, please don't shill yourself...

Seriously, it reeked of desperation, the ratio of shill to content was all wrong, the typical move done when all is lost and one just wants to get all it can before the ship goes down under.

Holo would die in 3 months if all they did was what Eilene did in the end. It was that bad. It killed any joy her channels content had offered, and they did offer some don't get me wrong. It literally turned them into a barren wasteland of crappy adds for barely functional games or crap. That shit is undefendable over any point that doesn't include as main motivator to cash out before crashing out. I doubt she did cash out that much, though but that's just an opinion of me, the part about the content being only shill streams that were garbage at the end is objective, content was really non-existant, which was a shame I liked it when it had actual content.

>>62348284
To be honest there was nothing to talk about w/r/t Moe and the Eilene family for the past three years. They were irrelevant for the entire existence of this board. In fact there still isn't, it's just being brought up because it's drama. But anyone who actually watched Vtubers in the mid-2010s probably watched them and you are a newfag.

itt: newfags who didn't even know who eilene was until advent debuted arguing with each other

>>62338861
>Getting <100k views in a week is 3view
you should ask first instead of using your own interpretation, newfag

are we seriously pretending Eilene and her characters were unknown or irrelevant at the time?
really? You can hate them, but even Japs liked it

>>62348869
Probably not since talking shit about your boss is a grounds for termination in SEA

Where is the vs? I see no statement from Moe that she is against it.

>>62348875
Advertising makes money. Lots of ads = lots of money. What's so hard about this for you to accept?

>>62348875
Yes, Eilene killed a lot of the goodwill she got with those awful phone game ads. Then scripted prank mr beast videos?

Should have kept it to the ebola chan and minecraft girl type gags. It was not sustainable.

>>62348921
They weren't irrelevant, but truth be told, outside of here and some other places they were not very known.

>>62348284
I mean no shit? Eilene was gone from the internet for almost 2 years. Moe hasn't been relevant, since 2020.

/jp/ and /pol/ during the 2014 Ebola crisis were the only boards who cared about his content. Why would us oldfags even bother talking about them, until now?

>>62346729
>2021

>>62348979
To be fair, just about every game Kizuna played was some godawful shovelware shill. Eilene probably thought she could get away with the same thing.

>>62348682
Looks better in fanart.

>>62342244
>/jp/
The same faggots who shat on Myth because western whores?

I mean, they were right but Eilene was just ahead of the curve. Just like Peter Molyneux, they hated her because she was right.

>>62346729
>alcoholic ex
>ex
OH NO NO NO

Don't tell the unicorns!!!

>>62348869
>>62348948
Most first world countries will get terminated for talking shit about gays on social media, let alone their direct colleagues. Musk fired the people who talked shit about him you know.

>>62348978
Please, stop.

Advertising can make you lots of money, but can also be pitiful money. Why do you think she was on patreon, lol.

>>62349002
Name one English-speaking Vtuber board, or Vtuber thread on a general board, that didn't discuss Eilene in 2016-17 or so. Eilene's face is the icon for the Vtuber wiki, Eilene family used to be the mascots for r/vt, etc. I'm sure they were less relevant on the JP side but they're more or less universally known by pre-Myth EN fans.

>>62342604
That's what I'm saying, she basically had free reign over the channel and chose to bitch about it because she didn't own the IP and the owner can do anything with it.

Honestly, it's shocking she went Hololive but it makes sense is she needed money after Moe fell off.

>>62349011
Simple, drama and boredom.

>>62349029
The issue isn't even she did shill videos playing the games, the issue is that those were shitty videos nearly not playing much usually. If it was like I shill this game then it's 1hour content ....well ok. It wasn't. It wasn't that at all.

>>62349178
Why wouldn't she? You can never be too rich to take in more money, only too stupid.

>>62342829
I have this screenshot as a relic. Such a wonderful time.

>>62346640
I’m in full agreement with you. Just wanted bringing it up because it seemed like others either didn’t read it or didn’t register some of the details.
>eg the implication that for the first 6 years she was Natsumi Moe, Eilene was regularly interacting with her.
I keep getting the impression that it hasn’t registered to some of the anons here since they seem to be conflating Eilene’s vanishing that happened after several years into the “vtuber agency”’s existence, with Eilene’s failures in providing a manager for her from the very beginning of it’s existence. Eilene might’ve not really been malicious, just incompetent; regardless Moe chose to subject herself to that for whatever reason & resents Eilene for having to bear things what should’ve been Eilene’s responsibilities.
>Also contracts go both ways, speculating that Moe was bound by contract yet Eilene was not is pure BS.
I learned something knew today, yes I know I can be stupid.

Eilene had millions and millions of views from her skits and shitposts. She had respect from the vtuber industry and collabs with Hololive.

But she had to go and make terrible contracts to kickstart lazy vtubers, doing gacha ads, starting dozens of channels, phone gamingshilling, disappearing, scamming. Going all la creatividad all the way to the grave.

All you had to do was shitpost and you would have the world in your hands, Eilene.

>>62349196
I wasn't in any vtuber board (like they weren't really a thing back then) at the time, so no, obviously I can't say any, and in fact I stumbled upon her channel on youtube due to some mysterious youtube spaghetti code shenanigans. All I know is that at the time the wide internet wasn't aware of their existence.

>>62349162
And you get fired in SEA for talking about the boss if someone hears your own private comments or conversations anon
>t. sea hr

>>62349019
And she made that deleted tweet what, yesterday? Clearly still not over it lmao.

>>62349143
4 GUYS

>>62345931
You know what happens when you don't have a boss but still make money? You're your own boss.
Moe never understood that.

>>62349311
Eilene had always been a trend chasing fag and grifter who only makes content for the view count, not for creativity aspect.

>>62349311
Absolute fuck up of a person that deserves nothing from their glory days

>>62349277
That wasn't the vibe going on at the time. Why she would stop doing that if it was that profitable to begin with? Ah yes, because it burned all the goodwill of the channel viewers had, so the advertisment money slipped out of her hands and onto the drain. She was literally sitting in a chair, in the middle of a fire, with a pack of matches in her hand, striking one at a time and tosing it at something not already burning, while she dreamt of the assurance company paying her shitloads of money not being aware of the detective filming her doing so.

>>62344664
Eilene had a real life outside of the internet and had to do business in other countries. One of the first Eilene breaks before moe even existed was due to a business trip in China which lasted like 2 years.
Eilene gifted her a big fanbase and a successful channel out of the box, and now Eilene is some kind of monster now? No.

>>62349408
I don't think so, everything came undone with Akari I think.
Eilene just wanted to do CGDCT anime but got hopeless about youtube monetization and sold her channel, and everything went downhill since then.

>>62349314
If you watched Kizuna Ai YouTube would've also reccomended Eilene's family to you. There was a VTuber fan community, you just weren't looking for it.

>>62349371
I'm the 5th btw

>>62349311
>But she had to go and make terrible contracts to kickstart lazy vtubers, doing gacha ads, starting dozens of channels, phone gamingshilling, disappearing, scamming. Going all la creatividad all the way to the grave.
Keep in mind she got paid for doing every one of those things and didn't have to pay a corpo or youtube a cut for any of it.

>>62341735
>Where's her cover? Where are her collabs or an effort to integrate into Hololive? She doesn't give a shit and it's plain to see. The audience also reflects that, her fanbase is full of mentally ill schizo newfags who know nothing and don't care for Hololive either.

>>62349408
that definitely doesn't apply to the first videos

>>62349314
Okay, that's fine, Vtubers in general weren't know to a wide audience then. All I'm saying is that everyone who a) watched Vtubers and b) cared enough to discuss them on forums, knew about the Eilene family. They were arguably THE EN-oriented Vtuber group, given that everything was subbed, they had the first ENtuber, etc., which is why their faces are plastered all over relics from that era like the Vtuber Wiki.

>>62349516
Eilene is a fucking retard and giving away a channel sure was a retarded move.

>>62349525
Even during the ebola chan days, he would cry about his videos being demonetized and would later sacrifice content just to appease youtube

why are people jerking off over something that hasn't been relevant for 8 years? let's stop pretending this thread exists for any other reason than it being tied to a current holoEN member.

>>62349656
eilene wants to grift and shilling herself on 4chan isnt something new

>>62349656
Because, as >>62349596 says, it wouldn't be surprising if Eilene had an in with the mods, whereas talks about anything related to HER or renai circulation get nuked into oblivion.

>>62349656
These past threads REEK of Eilene, who is confirmed to post on 4chan many times already.

>>62349626
I mean that was after the Adpocalypse days. Making a living from videos became impossible and there was no superchat or channel subscriptions.

Had Eilene just waited a year or two before selling her soul for Mira Akari, she could have rode the vtuber boom all the way to the bank.

Eilene always just wanted to make anime I think even comdost said so
I think she should continue with that

>>62349311
Being an edgelord is why YouTube kept banning and demonitizing his channels. Shilling shitty porn gachas was the only way he was making any money.

>>62349516
>business trip in China which lasted like 2 years
>China
Well, guess that explains a few things.

>>62349728
>who is confirmed to post on 4chan many times already.

Do you want to know a very spicy rat?? Guess who is friends with Eilene.

>>62349537
*Looks around /vt*

Why would I search for that, anon?

I think I stumbled pretty early on her channels, but it was kinda random. Funny edgy jokes fanmade kinda anime thing...yeah ebolachan I am looking at you.

>>62349824
Even her phone game shill videos were pretty fun.

>>62349728
>Dude rises from the grave to claim a channel
>Goes to the one place he probably considers his home turf
Ya think?

>>62350071
At first, then they got worse until it was shitty ads

>>62349827
It didn't need to be the only thing she did, goddamit.

>>62349495
Why would she have to dream of anything? She was literally paid, anon. Every sponsor paid her money, and the patrons paid her more money on top of that. That's how business works. She wasn't a modern indie that needs to scrape by for every piece of growth or a corpotuber who loses most of their proceeds. If someone pays her 10k for an ad she gets 10k. If someone pays her 100k for an ad she gets 100k. That kind of money is pocket change for marketing departments but for one person it's a huge income.

>>62350106
>hometurf
This isn't /jp/

>>62349996
ohnono sisters not like this
she can't keep getting away with it!

>>62344158
That's was comdost fault

>>62349714
Mods have been here since the beginning, they are oldfags who appreciate Eilene and what she did to make /vt/ a reality.
Without Eilene, most of the EN chuuba sphere might have been relegated to obscurity, because she helped create a strong community of translators and gave them experience, who went on to make channels to sub hololive which made them blow up. Of course, it wasn't solely her, there was a lot of bugmen before the China schism who also helped but it was very cool to see the scene evolve.

>>62350185
100K what? Italian Lyra? What are you on with those numbers, like hell those shitty phone games payed her much. I think you are getting the impression that I am comparing her revenue to revenue top vtubers do today. I am not. As that got worse and the channel slipped and slipped it is clear it went downhill, hence why she would not do it anymore and kinda gave up.

>>62349620
Eilene was just trying to help out her friends and have fun. It was always meant as a hobby and not some kind of competitive numberfagging circlejerk that anons here have made it out to be. Plus half of the posts here are completely made up revisions of history .

>>62348676
I had mistakenly thought that Eilene had started off as a vtuber who made short videos when in actuality, they were just making short videos with anime png’s. That’s why I said that.

>>62350388
>Always meant as a hobby
Clearly not to Eilene.

>>62350388
He also DID try to make money; you remember her grass eating memes right? YouTube demonetizing her made him jaded and made him turn towards increasingly money-centric decisions, as his creative ideas kept getting shot down by the automated system. He probably got a huge payout for Akari's channel and the rest is history.

>>62350256
They considered /a/ home turf, then later /jp/ where he got bullied. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets bullied off of /vt/ too.

>>62350346
You're projecting the modern vtuber marketing landscape onto a much older vtubing landscape, probably because you weren't around back then. Getting Eilene to do advertising specifically for you (because she obviously had no shortage of competing offers) back at her peak versus getting someone to do it now when dozens of corpo vtubers shills are one phonecall away are very different concepts.

>>62350636
>They considered /a/ home turf
Historical revisionism

>>62350345
>because she helped create a strong community of translators and gave them experience
I was going to complain about Eilene never actually doing anything, but you know what? You're right. She provided the full scripts for all her videos before she published them, giving the community time to translate them.

>>62350636
Eilene posted a video of herself making a thread on /a/ and not getting even a single reply.

>>62350388
Just namefag bro, you're not good at pretending to be just another anon. Anyway, sucks that "just having fun with friends" and "doing a hobby" ended up alienating the people around you, maybe try delivering on your promises next time.

>>62350764
>Eilene posted a video of herself making a thread on /a/ and not getting even a single reply.

You know, despite all the "vtubing godfather" stuff, Eilene just liked to make fun of herself for being a fucking loser like the rest of us. And it was great.

>>62350764
It was deleted by mods before anyone could reply. >>62350812
You're literally making shit up. I posted on /a/ religiously back in the day for hours daily. /a/ was literally never "eilene home turf". Not even kizuna ai discussion was allowed.

>>62350941
It's probably the same ind of retard that says Nyanners was /a/'s darling.

>>62350388
The fact that ENsharts think Eilene let otakumoe sit empty for 2 years just to try to leech off Moe's debut 3 months late by posting subbed japanese videos shows some severe mental illness. True leeching would be offering the channel to a holoEN clipper and true numberfagging would be taking back the channel as soon as Moe left.

>>62349516
I never said Eilene was a monster

>>62351070
Moe sure wanted people to think she was.

well this is boring, nothing more impactful than shilling some literal who
no dont spoonfeed me

>>62351146
Moe explicitly said "Eilene was a good person, but not a good manager". So no.

>>62351146
If we go by >>62344664, Moe is an unreliable narrator due to her menhera.

>>62351225
>eilene is a good person but as a manager I hate her so much that I want to kill myself thinking about it
This thought process doesn't seem very coherent.

>>62351146
Forcing her to work with Cumdump is the only evidence she needs.

>>62351324
She was probably talking about Comdost, not Eilene.

>>62351332
Moe has both said that Eilene left her after a year and that Moe managed Eilene for years, both of which pretty strongly contradict Eilene forcing her to do anything at all.

>>62351217
I hope every newfaggot in this thread and on this board gets shot out of a cannon into a brick wall

>>62351324
It is totally, overwhelmingly clear to any unbiased observer that when she talks about hating that period of her life to the point she doesn't want to think about it, let alone talk about it, she means the job and its overwhelming workload, not Eilene specifically. Why make it about Eilene, even though Moe exonerated her? Guilty conscience?

>>62351457
Eilene was her manager, but he quit/abandoned her and gave her Cumdump as his replacement, who was notoriously incompetent.

>>62351555
Imagine if she just got a real job instead with that college bio degree instead of being an egirl

>>62351324
She wanted to kill herself because she didn't have a manager.

>>62351605
And so she had free reign to do what she wanted, but chose to gripe and moan anyway.

>>62351403
>Last night, I dreamt I was saying how I wanted to die. I was looking for balconies to jump off from to end it all. I dreamt I was yelling at the two incompetent people who created me and hurt me most.
People read this shit and think "this person is well adjusted and her accusations are completely factual".

>>62351241
>unreliable narrator due to her menhera.
Pretty much it

next thread doko

>>62351500
*yawn* do a better threat eilene. You are making yourself more pitiful than you were last time

>>62351649
are you a nijinigger trying to justify that having a shit manager is okay just like in your kuro company? Need I remind you how many """livers""" need frequent health breaks and decided to resign from their job?

People keep saying Eilene is in the thread so I just want to say:
Hi Eilene I'm looking forward to the channel revival, please make more edgekino since hololive has gotten too safe these days.

Eilene. lmfao.

>>62351654
>She's a woman

>>62351911
If you haven't noticed by now, Eilene is just western kurosanji EN before kurosanji even existed.

>>62351985
Eilene is a nip all his content is in Japanese. Just because, he had English subtitles doesn't make him or his content 'western'.

>>62351911
>>62351985
Bad managers enforce bad ideas and stifle good ideas. Going by what Moe said, Eilene was at worst an absentee manager. She mostly accuses Eilene of holding her back by being lazy. It sounds like Moe was fundamentally confused on how the hierarchy worked and blamed Eilene for not babysitting her.

>>62350256
Even/jp/ will spit on him now

>>62352308
/jp/ loves anyone that makes ENsharts seethe.

>>62351955
He will fade into irrelevency without talented people like moe pulling the weight

>>62352383
Pretty much this. If only to make ENfags mad, they'd support him.

>>62352383
>/jp/ loves the supposive 1st enshart.
Make up your mind Eilene your narrative is clashing here

>>62352383
based
vtubing always should have been gatekept from the west

>>62352441
Moe was never talented anonchama, she even admits to making low effort ASMR content, if anything he was carried by Moemi's GFE.

>>62352441
He already faded into irrelevancy, just look at this thread.

I look forward for part 4 of this faggots.
I like seeing newfags and revisionist

>>62338116
You clearly weren't here when she tweeted a year ago and the entire board was nothing but blue woman tweets

>>62352541
... but Eilene did more than anyone (except maybe Yagoo with Myth) to introduce Vtubing to the West?

Comdost, we all know you're reading this, this is your chance