/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

is this girl really so important we need to have another thread about this?

>>62319577
Kyo the racist and Luca the rapist deflection thread

I definitely see nothing wrong with a part 2 PL thread.

>>62319656
yes.....yes she is

>>62319656
op is just trying to fish for more Moe lore

>>62319656
>girl
Yes he is, but if you weren't on 4chan in 2014 then you can stick to lurking

>>62319714
didn't last thread make her look bad enough?

>>62319753
? We were shitting on Eilene not Moe.

if you're going to continue this thread atleast have it a concrete goal, instead were just exchanging information we already know. might I suggest getting some archiving efforts since who knows if eilene goes rogue and nukes all of moe's stuff.

>>62319577
I've haven't seen any sort of discussion on Eilene and that clique since when they got kicked off /jp/ 5 years ago.

Where'd this massive timeloop come from?

>>62319860
problem is Moe already has deleted a bunch of videos and streams, I'd say unless someone archived everything before she quit and put a torrent up on it, you're not gonna get the whole picture

She got rid of stuff like her Pomf Pomf cover and videos about her cats and anything else that would dox her and such.

>>62319875
no one was expecting eilene to come crawling back either, should've just focused on his current chuubas. Mirai Akari was a damn shame though.

>>62319677
What I want is a Cyberlive PL thread that drags in all the drama between Phase Connect and IdolEN girls. I've been curious about what even happened with Cyberlive, the drama between the girls, between management, and how it was resolved/handled or if it's all still left up in the air.
All I know is that Lia is to never be trusted

>>62319803
Cutting off the person who launched you into relevance and vagueposting about them just to delete the tweet afterwards seems pretty shitty to me, especially after writing them out of your vtuber history thesis, considering they're a founder

>>62319875
Eilene made the surprise return only because his prized character is suddenly popular because of its association with the largest vtubing corpo. Of course he is going to take control again because he has always been a self centered leech.

>>62319944
I dont know what went down but it's undeniable that without eilene hiring moe she would haven't gotten popular in the first place, and made it into holo eventually so it's weird.

>>62319944
Eilene IS a shitty (albeit entertaining) person, though. Moe did nothing wrong.

>>62319944
being a """founder"""" doesnt mean shit when you have nothing to show for it today. There is no legacy left behind by them other than the fact that he left Eilene family to rot.

>>62319944
Moe owes Eilene that much, but after eilene left her on her own for years? yeah nah, moe is better off away from eilene.

>>62319944
Yes but there is also the case she didn't want people to dig into her PL much, as much as it would be shitty to do so. At least she never shilled vshitshow, she fucking hates them and will never go on an ironlung interview stream.

>>62319677
whose PL?
thread about OG CEO and his channel

>>62319577
That just means she'll just continue on with her new book.
This is literally nothing then.

>>62319577
>day old shitpost to deflect
NDF needs to try harder lmao
Luca's creepiness and kyo's double standards need more fresh baits

>>62320005
probably noticed the old channel is getting traffic because of that association and wants to exploit that fact.

>>62320017
If you are still around, I liked how we tried to continue the spirit of /a/ speculah threads with KLK

>>62319944
You're the type to never leave your parents even if they're abusive throughout your childhood.

>>62320081
>no legacy left behind
you cant just start pretending that Mirai Akari wasn't a thing

>>62319925
All you need to know about that situation is that this woman is your friend and she has never done anything wrong in her entire life.

>>62320195
everyone knows nipplesanji is a kurocorp and most of their talent aside from like Selen and Pomu are scumbags, this is something new, change the broken record

>>62319726
>Yet another irrelevant /here/ whore like the cat whore from Vshitshow or the Plappa rabbit
So no one of importance then.

>>62320241
Only hololive are real vtubers, anyone else doesn't matter.

>>62320241
wasn't she supposed to sell out to vshitshow by now before they started scooping up niji rejects?

>>62319944
Fuck Eilene, he deserves nothing but scorn.

>>62320241
not holo? i answer "literally who?". simple as!

>>62320270
Objectively correct.
For what it's worth the actual lore behind the small corpo drama is incredibly detailed and insane. There was a pretty good "diagram" of small corp relationships a long time ago, I hope somebody makes another one sometime.

>>62320224
>four devas theory
i hate how i bought in this schizo theory, the only theory that came true was that the school is a giant mecha kek

>>62320224
I was a Nuifag so I had a lot of pics of her.
Man, KLK threads were some good honest fun.

>>62319898
le archiver they say

>>62320370
>>62320358
And of course the classic video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfl-_zyH7lk

>>62320241
Well she certainly isn’t anymore

>>62319860
>>62319898
There's one on archive.com with old Eilene videos, I think there's a few more channels on YT as well.
There's one person archiving Moe stream on YT but he complied with Moe and privated what she asked him to. Basically, what you see of Moe is what see wants you to see. She's a lot smarter than what she let on, not to be taken lightly of at all

>>62320448
>archivist rewriting history
pottery

>>62320270
I mean I get it's an injoke to call her a bad person, and she doesn't seem like one, but using her cyberlive genmate's model for an april fools stream without permission was a pretty shitty thing to do

>>62320342
not just in between small corps, there was also the yellow woman + beatani-+ 2 of the most powerful schizos /vt/ has ever experienced vs kiki drama
Funny how certain small /here/ indie threads stopped getting trolled to oblivion the moment those 2 troublemakers vanished.

Thankfully all of that's died down, some of the worst shitposting I've ever seen.

—>62280697
>>62318952
>sister
False Positive
>**** off
And why exactly? I’m not saying she should collab with male chuubas, I’m not a collab-begger. I support whatever collab choices the chuubas I follow make; be it only girls, mixed, only boys, or no collabs at all. I just think it’s best to create content that cultivates a fanbase consisting of multiple demographics. While there are many sane unicorns, gachikois, CGDCT fans, shippers, & fujoshis; there’s also many that are very much not sane. There’s just as much value to also being wary of shippers & fujishis as well, don’t want to end up like NijiEn.

>>62320178
yet her first stream was about da vtubing (rewrited) history

>>62320683
>fanbase consisting of multiple demographics.
No, don't try to have your cake and eat it too. That's what made videogames fail and become terrible, trying to appeal to people who don't care about videogames.

>>62320342
small corpo drama is incredibly detailed and insane
I was checking out /jdif/ when IdolEN 2 debuted and people were talking about the drama quite a bit but I was so lost on it all. Then I started peering into /pcg/ during that time and it was non-stop shit flinging and all the talk about the Phase Invaders was wild.
>>62319925
>>62320270
I fucked up by saying Lia, I meant Lumi but I get what you're trying to say

>>62319860
Since moe already predicted this I think she will be ready for him to nuke her content.
Nothing she can do i suppose, well it's for the better i guess she has already left him in dust.

>>62320746
Not that anon, but yeah some vtubers can hit several demographics, nothing wrong with that. Hell I want a bit of everything (and not just clips, I mean males, females, ultra-parasocial ones, anti-parasocial ones, seiso ones, whore ones...)
The problem is dishonest whores and scammers. Like pretending to be one kind of vtuber then doing a 180 and shit on your fanbase, all for chasing numbers, money, clout, whatever. Lying, using the fans or other vtubers, etc.
Those are the ones I have a problem with.

>>62319944
RORU RAMAO THE 2 VIEW SEETHE IS OOZING THROUGH MY SCREEN

>>62320891
so like shiori when she dropped gfe

>>62320317
I doubt she will go to vshitshow it has already proven to be a massive debuff for japs.
If anything she is more likely to make it to holo I am 100% she will atleast give it a shot.

I have no idea who these people are, but what's wrong with what he's doing? If it was his project and the person who was using one of his channels basically quit the job, then what's wrong with getting back?
Unless OP is trying to hide some information and being vague on purpose I don't understand why this needs its own thread.

>>62320523
>archivist is a chink
it was over from the start..

>>62318441
>>62318516
>gets access to a huge channel that she can leech off with almost complete control over her content
>does nothing and blame others for her depression
Jesus, this makes her look so much worse for me. The only difference between Moe and Shiori is how much money she's making.

>>62320746
I had addressed this already in my prior comment in the previous thread
>>62318909
>but not too many demographics, as to do so will cause you to loop right back around to another version of what you’d be trying to avoid

>>62321111
Natsune moe(now shiori novella) basically ran the channel when it was abandoned by him, and Eilene himself is a piece of shit the water runs deep here.
TLDR. he is seetheing that she made it to hololive and came back after being MIA for half a decade.

MAN THE SEETHE IS STILL GOING

Despite her shitty situation with Eilene, Moe managed to build up a small but very loyal fanbase and friend groups. I doubt they would ever rat her out

>>62321111
Legally speaking, eilene owns the channel and the copyright so he is on the right to use his property. Eilene hired moe and gave her a boost in popularity right away, lending her name and popularity for moe's sake.

Morally speaking?
Apparently Eilene ditched her after that with no help but still owning everything she produced. Legally valid but morally shitty.

>>62320602
That same former genmate was in the chat having a laugh while it happened, then did a heel-turn after to complain on twitter.

She took your spot, roastie. You will never leave 2view status.

>>62321227
This

Suisei getting really loving and friendly with a male idol deflection thread

>>62320317
If the Vshojo anniversary comes and goes and no JP members are in sight then it's possible she is not joining. Her roommate account also has expressed interest in joining, if I remember that video correctly.
Also, when was it known that Eilene was a dude? I see a lot of "he" when talking about Eilene and I didn't know about that when I watched the vtubers Eilene was associated with.

>>62321227
She has less control over Shiori, but I guess the money is too good to make her complain too much.

>>62320946
>so like shiori when she dropped gfe
>Like pretending to be one kind of vtuber
sure, but
>then doing a 180 and shit on your fanbase
to my knowledge, Shiori hasn’t done this.

>>62321345
Eilene gave her Comdost as a "manager" but they were not good at their job.

Comdost is still around, still doing TTS streams....on Kick.
https://kick.com/comdost

>>62320410
>almost a decade ago
take me back

>>62320370
if you got some ocs made by mori id appreciate it anon

>>62321523
>makes serious money
>gets thousands of viewers every day, no longer a 2view on twitch
>will actually get to go to Japan this time instead of Eilene giving her false promises of going there
She's living the good life now no matter what you think about big corpos and their cuts.
Unlike a lot of people who end up in corpos (ESPECIALLY those who get into Nijisanji), Shiori actually deserves to be there.

>>62320270
Evil bitch

>>62320058
Moe did a LOT wrong, just not this.

>>62320309
Okay 21er.

>>62321332
apparently she still keeps contact with her old server and never abandoned them so credit to her for still checking in especially since the time zone change probably shifted a good chunk away from being able to watch her

>>62320058
>>62321663
I dunno....Eilene really fucked her over. Can you blame her for being bitter? At least she got to escape. But now Eilene wants a slice of that success when they don't deserve any of that.

>>62319577
It's amazing how you can get people to show their asses just by implying things and not directly stating your thoughts. Bravo, Archiver.

>>62321523
Unlike moe there is a clear end of shiori she herself said it.
Moe can turn into anything maybe it will become a AVtuber if Eilene wishes it to, maybe it will become a skinwalker who knows.
Shiori novella has a predetermined end as long as the person behind her remains the character stays alive it will be put to eternal rest if she doesn't want to continue anymore.

>>62320946
I don't know enough about her to judge.

I'm harsh, but fair. I just want a healthy vtuber scene, both corpos and indies, built on merit, not on clout and branding!

I will shit on males not because I hate male vtubers, but because most are mediocre! We need more Roberus, more Kuzuhas, more Rikiichis, more Takas (rip), more Kongous, more Uwus (sorry pippafags, but he's a good one, deal with it).

Fuck talentless, mediocre bitches propped up by corpo drones just because of brand loyalty! ALL corpos have some of them.
Fuck the ones who do face reveals. Fuck whores who promise parasocial then do a 180. Fuck cloutchasers, fuck froot, fuck fake rigged vtuber awards. Fuck 24/7 react vtubers. Fuck bitches who don't stream. Fuck excuses, do your reps. Fuck dramatubers. Fuck black companies. Fuck endless shill streams. Fuck management meddling. Fuck trannies like the old shark indie who thought just buying a good model was enough to be good!
Fuck dramafags. Fuck stalkers. Fuck kiwifags. Fuck the JP gossip site sisters. Fuck doxxers. Fuck vtweeters. Fuck the chink wheelbarrows.

THE BEST shall raise to the top. The ones who stream. The ones who push the boundaries of vtubing, and do creative content. The ones who are exceptionally good at what they do (be it games, idol activities, singing, games, zatsu, whatever), and commit to it with complete determination. The ones who stick to principles, the ones who truly appreciate their fans.
They shall be the stars guiding everyone else. The rest, should aspire to be like them. Burn vtubing to the ground, and rebuild it anew.

While she was still active, she never put any effort into leeching the big players like Hololive or Nijisanji. Being the pioneer of EN vtubing and having such big number and all, also apparently she knew Ame, so it's not like she didnt have any connection. She barely even collab with Vshojo, THE Twitch corpo as well. It's certainly ooc for her to join such a corpo now. Although she does sound really happy doing it.

>>62321916
who wouldn't be happy to grift off the biggest vtuber company lmao

>>62321673
Yes, but it will never get leaked and you will never hear about it. She really does has that kind of power over people

>>62321774
And Moe said on her last stream maybe one day she might come back with an older Moe (post Shiori) and catch up with her old viewers and see what happened over the years....
She knows Shiori won't be around forever. And that's not to say that she's gonna just do it for a year and fuck off. But when she knows it's done, she'll be gone.

>>62321608
Obviously I don't know which ones are hers since we were all anon. Only that she admitted she did a lot.

>>62321916
>She barely collabed with vshoujo
She did it sometimes then said that she unironically hated them, don't know which one she was referring to specifically but hating vshitshow is always justified.
And she is in holo so she is going to be happy dispute what retards here say it is as matsuri said
>You can be as busy as you want in hololive.
Holos have a lot of control over their activities.

>>62320946
I swear the definition of gfe keeps changing.
>Focusing only on your fanbase is no longer gfe
>No male collabs is no longer gfe
>Sitting down and talking with your audience about how your day went, is gfe, but when Shiori does just that, it's not gfe
>Asking your audience for help with private stuff is gfe, but when Shiori does it, it's not gfe
???

>>62320241
Akari was mismanaged to hell and back and on top of that Eilene lost her completely, that's a terrible legacy

>>62322031
if shiori's gone there's moe, if moe's gone... well, i dont mind if she returns to that other OTHER account.

>>62322031
I feel like she will be their for 5 years atleast the next year will be crutal to determine hololives longitivity in the long run.

>>62321916
>She barely even collab with Vshojo, THE Twitch corpo as well.
She did like one or two collabs with them when they started up and never really liked it, didn't feel comfortable around them. That's why you'll never see her do anything with vshitshow as Shiori. Even an ironlung interview won't happen.
Moe was never one for collabs and when she did it was always with a select few people....the same happens now.

>>62322141
She probably deleted videos from that account too though. Everything got changed around as soon as she went corpo.

>>62319925
I'll give you a rundown since this isn't a Lumi bait thread.
>cyberlive starts to implode because incompetent management
>lumi becomes manager
>she starts to turn the girls against each other
>they find out and everyone hates her guts
>she leaves for phase, they seethe at her success because everyone hates her
>aetheria pops up after they keep their IPs
>Vera vee their manager is sleeping with fans
>group dissolves as a result
>Vera leaks the discord group DMs
Fast forward
>lumi uses their models without permission to make fun of them
>hylo retires and leaks the fact lumi was kind of a bitch (turning them against one another)
>nobody else contradicts her and everyone moves on, with the rest of cyberlive joining other small corpos and keeping a friendship while lumi's the odd one out after yuri's termination

Lemon woman gets defended for the same reason Moe does, she just has more fans.

>>62322150
Funny how she hated the lesbian pandering of vshitshow and now she just keeps sexually flirting with rissa all day. Money really changes people.

>>62322090
It's gfe if the girl is desirable, Shiori isnt. Her model is highly desirable but everything else about her, which is her voice and personality, is beyond boring

>>62322184
Yes, around 80 privated videos and vods

>>62321227
What a poor girl. I hope she find some new friends in Hololive that restores her faith in humanity.
She should hang out with Mumei and Fauna more, they're good people who also aren't too naive to understand her issues.

>>62322031
I've seen some archives of Moe and man can she get unhinged when she doesn't have limiters. Like that pompf pompf kimochi cover and those vocaroos she posted before

>>62322184
>>62322233
https://www.youtube.com/@MaliceDiary/videos

She privated some stuff but the channel is still there.
Or is there another other OTHER channe?

>>62321523
All she ever wanted was a cooperative and competent manager who wasn't a lazy sack of shit. Hololive is a great change of pace, even if they're not perfect.

>>62322252
She's been hanging around Fauna, Mumei, IRyS and regrettably Mori but she seems a lot happier.
Her recent hat in time stream started with her sounding a little down but spending time playing with her viewers put a lot of laughs in her and cheered her up considerably. (Which is probably why she deleted the tweet after the stream, she doesn't need that shit any longer as long as she has her fanbase.)

>>62322150
Eh vshoujo is very loose as a company, the talents have a lot more freedom than normal, so if she hates x she might collab with y.
This said, she will never collab outside of advent at this rate.

>>62322090
gfe is one of those terms whose definition changes depending on who you’re with

>>62322067
moe, stop seething

>>62322346
Mori is a lot better now that she no longer an alcoholic.

>>62322357
She just needs to Collab withn holo always works well there are like 25 people she can work with

>>62322435
I have heard both this + she's been losing weight or something.

>>62322425
Retard

>>62322023
It's not some Illuminati conspiracy bro. It's just a comfy server, and she's a sweetheart.

>>62322031
No vtuber will be around "forever" (unless skinwalking or AI gets involved)

>>62322023
>She really does has that kind of power over people
It's pretty much just being an actually nice person, not a "nice" retard. Don't be shitty AND don't foster drama, and suddenly you got yourself some loyalty.

>>62322214
That's skewed against Lumi. The other side of the argument is the other cyberlive bitches had a private discord where they shittalked her, and Lumi had to endure that while hard carrying Cyberlive because management were either/and incompetent and underage. Receipts and screencaps were thrown around the threads.

That drama is old and settled with everyone going their own ways. The only remanining thing that seems interesting to me is how a certain bnnuy sees each party now. But I don't know.

>>62322214
>the rest of cyberlive joining other small corpos and keeping a friendship while lumi's the odd one out after yuri's termination
I mean I guess they got a happy ending but damn, to go through all of that and still keep on going

>>62321111
The weirdest thing is, why is he asking publicly?

Eilene didn't even bother getting the original account back after it was lost to the crypto scammers or whatever it was
Who gives a fuck

>>62322150
> Moe was never one for collabs and when she did it was always with a select few people
like her fag friends

>>62321712
Shiori had an alcoholic abusive ex? Damn. I always say, if you're in an abusive relationship you should just quit but girls like her just love to stick in shitty situations for some reason.

If Eilene was abusing her, why didn't she just leave? There was no problem leaving for holo so contracts and stuff don't seem an issue. She was barely breaking 80 viewers so money was no reason either. Considering most of her content is TRAUMA DUMPING I think her self worth is directly proportional to being a professional victim.

Despite all the "abuse" her parents pushed her through, she is still having vacations to go visit them?
What the fuck?
Doesn't this raise any red flags?
Her old classmates, friends, exboyfriends, family, managers and everything and everyone is always abusing her for no reason?
Huh?
And she is a holy virgin mary that has never done harm?
I don't buy this shit.

Just like battered wives who stick with abusive husbands, she has to do it to justify her menhera issues because otherwise it's just her fault for sticking around.
Maybe I will change my mind about her if her content stops being trauma dumping and being a professional victim but I doubt it.

>>62322150
It's nice for her that Hololive is sort of a walled garden. Most holos never collab with anyone outside of it.
I wish she could allow herself to trust some of the girls in HoloEN though, they're a whole different kettle of fish compared to the usual twitch crowd

>>62322853
because it will get discussion on /vt/.

nigglets please, but who tf is eliene? She good or bad? I see she's connected to not shiori?

>>62322639
>AI
That completely depends on the manager/wrangler/owner not to fuck up. Which is as much of a tightrope as the usual concerns with human vtubers.

>>62322944
An ancient evil, literally. Bad. Yes.

>>62322853
To put pressure on Shiori, who probably didn't reply to him if/when he dm'd her.

>>62322723
Without Hylo's account and receipts, you'd be right but the reason they seethe'd and hated her so much is because of her account. Her success wasn't the reason they hated her as the group DM implied, that's stupid since you see the girls supporting each other even with the disparity in popularity. No, the reason they hated her was because of her two-face personality (according to Hylo and whoever the anon was that posted her side, probably another of the girls).

>>62322923
Damn, I got baited

>>62322918
It's a walled garden out of choice, look at Nerissa who collabs with whoever she wants.

>>62322944
Think nijiEN / gamebu levels of bad that stopped existing for 5 years and suddenly made a return when he heard of Shiori's current success.

>>62322214
>she starts to turn the girls against each other
It's called motivation through competition. She didn't say anything mean-spirited, just encouraged talents to try to overcome each other for everyone's benefit. This is almost unheard of in female circles though, social animals that they are, so the reaction is not unsurprising.

>>62322289
This channel, yeah. But Malice Diary actually graduated, so Moe wont' be coming back to it, she'll come back to Raven Manor if needs be

Shiori i know you're /here/, im sorry i couldn't have helped you during your moe days, when you finally announced that you were going to stop your activities, i was devastated because i thought there must been something we could have done to prevent this. but im glad the outcome was this. you are now in a better place, its okay now, Please move on from this and find happiness.

>>62322944
Old Shiori boss.Also neglected the company and didn't give a fuck so he left it to rot. The OG of OG vtubers

>>62322944
Disappeared for half a decade only to show back up now that Shiori is a thing. Parasite.

>>62322215
More like age changes people. When you're young and naive you think you can change the world. Then you grow older and realize that there are a lot of things you cannot change and fall in line on a lot of topics.

>>62323048
Or Haachama with Hoshikawa, Mori with her indie friend, Suisei's group, Pekora calling in Mito's birthday stream etc.
I think the point is, you don't need to collab outside of hololive unless you actually want to, because there's enough people as is.

>>62323072
I mean, I see the logic. But that's all it is, logic. It just looks like she was trying set them up against each other.

>>62322215
>Rejecting Nerissa's advances is now sexually flirting.
>One sided flirting from Nerissa's side now counts as sexually flirting even if it's not reciprocated.
Retard.

>>62322843
Some chuubas really like being chuubas, no moping around complaining about incompetent managers, they put on their big girl pants and sought the next opportunity.

>>62322184
>XIII to XXX
She basically just added one I to the hairpin, what a cheeky girl.

>>62321523
>>62322215
yeah, money is the reason

>>62322944
primordial vtuber, pre kizuna, pre four kings, first live2d anime girl. is she good? is she bad? depends if you think shoving all the work to a new hire then abandoning her for years is a bad thing.

nigger

>>62322917
>if her content stops being trauma dumping and being a professional victim
????????????????
Anon, I think there's a lot of things you can accuse Shiori of, but not even her schizos have said she's a professional victim.

>>62322944
>>62323320
>if you think shoving all the work to a new hire then abandoning her for years is a bad thing
Who cares about Moe really, if you want to hate Eilene for something, it should be for the absolute shitshow with Akari. Like, jesus, how do you fuck that up?

>>62322346
Yeah, her interaction with IRyS in the MC competition was amazing. They have great chemistry. Mumei apparently reached out before debut and welcomed all of Advent personally. I like to think that Fauna opening up about her cringe husbando collection on-stream was an olive branch to Shiroi, demonstrating that there are other weirdos in Hololive and that she doesn't have to be afraid to be herself.
(As for Mori, while I still dislike her I think she's mellowed out a lot recently. I won't watch her because I unfortunately think she's just kind of boring, but she's mostly inoffensive.)

I watched Shiori a lot at the beginning. Her style isn't really for me, but I believe her to be a genuinely sweet and wonderful woman. I truly hope that she'll find her place in Hololive and be happy and content there. Like you said, all this nonsense in her past should be left behind. She's above it now.

>>62320270
I really don't think lumi is a bad person.
I think she's retarded and handled the situation poorly but to make her the enemy seems ridiculous. And I have seen ALL of the leaked screenshots.
She tried to keep things together, she failed.
It just seems like one particular member of CL was bitter and still is to this day and never moved on and blames lumi for everything.
Want to point out that I've never spent any money on lumi and she isn't my oshi in for bias reference.
Also >>62320276 the plapkin plappa nickname is absurd because the SAME DAY it was created people found out who the woman was and it wasn't pippa. It was pillsburydoughhoe. Literally the same day, but there are anons here that still believe the initial rrat that pippa was fucking some literal who dramafag with no evidence.
It's a strange life when I have to defend phase of all places

>>62323540
>She's above it now
Not really, but as long as she doesn't let it affect her future, I'd be fine with it.

>>62323417
>Anon, I think there's a lot of things you can accuse Shiori of, but not even her schizos have said she's a professional victim.

Every single stream is tangents bitching her "fucked up past" but take that away and what else is left?

She craves being a hopeless victim because it exonerates her fucked up decisions.

>>62323049
he?? gamebu? oh I heard about this shit it's from 2019, a real mess.
>suddenly made a return when he heard of Shiori's current success
yeah the reason is obvious, he a jew?
>>62323103
sounds like pre-IM era?
>>62323107
parasite indeed
>>62323320
>primordial vtuber, pre kizuna, pre four kings, first live2d
Ohh, now I get it, sounded really ancient, wow... naruhodo I learned a lot
>>62323480
>absolute shitshow with Akari.
?

>>62322917
she did leave him retard chama she even made a video on how to cope with abusive relationships.

>>62323631
>reddit spacing
also
>take that away and what else is left
another holo chuuba that plays games and does stuff? weak schizo

>>62322634
lol, I was about to post the same thing. Most non-schizos will happily keep a secret if it's for someone they care about as a matter of course. It's so weird when people /here/ link someone being nice and well-liked by everyone to them being puppetmaster manipulators. It's like they don't understand normal human relations.

>>62323480
I could maybe forgive it all, if Yomemi came back, and was happy to do so.

>>62320683
>****
really

>>62323644
>akari
come on anon, are you a tourist? why is everyone acting like they dont know who mirai akari is.

>>62323803
not hololiv?, literally who! simple as

>>62322917
Once your balls drop you'll come to realize that the world is a bit more complicated that you think.

>>62323719
Again, she's a lot smarter than what she let on, I'm not saying she's master manipulator but she certainly knows what she's doing at all time.

>>62323657
Nice job ignoring every single relationship ever of her. Sure she left that one, everyone else was/is/will be abusing her still.

>>62323847
when you are falseflagging you arent supposed to be that obvious
the only thing you accomplished now is make yourself look like a retard while contributing -1 post to the thread

>>62323803
Of course I know Akari, but I thought she was manged by some bland JP corpo? not an ancient incompetent evil

>>62323887
That sounds like what someone abused would say. "My hubby keeps putting off cigarretes on my tongue but I can't just leave because, well, it's like complicated. Also every single of my previous relationships was the same but it's never my fault though."

LET'S GO COMMIE KNIGHT UP !

>>62323913
it was a small vtubing world back then, they're all pioneers and knew eachother.

>>62323048
Of course, but the point is that the culture doesn't push girls to having these outside collabs unless they truly want to. If everyone in Hololive collabed with outsiders every week there would be an expectation to do the same. Shiori is in good company if she stays within the Holobox for her entire career.

>>62323153
Yeah, exactly. Perhaps "walled garden" has a negative connotation for some people, but I really didn't mean it that way. (There's a reason houses have walls after all.)

>>62323099
I sincerely doubt she browses this place, much less this thread.

>>62323803
anon..........
Even back when /vt/ was made, most people were already post-holoEN newfags. Imagine how bad it is now.
I'm not saying hololive is bad, but rather jesas this is the most newfag and tourist board in the whole site, to the point they are proud of being newfags... it sucks but at some point you have to accept that.
I guess we failed at assimilating them and telling them to lurk moar, so the only options are either accept the absolute state, or teach them about the old days from time to time.

>>62324121
Oh you have no idea

>>62323913
Said ancient evil's channel was the one where she originally debuted and posted stuff, since the corpo was very small and it apparently knew Eilene. But then the vtuber related to Eilene quit, and then only Akari was left, still on the old channel. Compare it to the twitter handle.
https://www.youtube.com/@bittranslate
As the other anon said, it was a small world back then.

>>62324184
It seems to me that you have no idea. If anything she would browse /jp/ not this piece of shit board

>>62324174
>teach them about the old days from time to time
Not that much outside of a few events.
>niji domination
>holo slow climb
>gamebu absolute state
>.EVIL

>>62323631
>Every single stream is tangents bitching her "fucked up past" but take that away and what else is left?
Name 3 examples. if it's in every stream it shouldn't be that hard right?

>>62323599
Well, I didn't mean in the mental sense, I'm sure it still affects her. But she can choose to move on from it now without feeling like her livelihood is in danger. That's gotta be worth something.

>>62322873
Yeah the Moemi channel got nuked for this reason.
>>62322853
She doesn't talk to Eilene or Comdost these days.

>>62322917
Is this what some of you live for? Trying to play detective with the lifestory of a fucking online anime girl streamer?

I can already picture the kind of life this anon lives, and it makes me extremely depressed, get some friends before it's too late man.

>>62323631
>reddit spacing
Well, at least we know you're not Eileen.

>>62323901
the Eilene family was her nightmare i doubt she will talk about her time in holo in the same way.
maybe she acutely had a really very shitty experience with them? you seem deadset on portraying her as some sort of master manipulator while in reality she is a barely functional autist.
its not hard to believe that a 4channer like eilene was a shitty person and did horrible things especially back in that era.
but then again it is all irrelevant now, moe is a holo now and eilene a seething shitter, so moe is in the right, winners write history afterall
seethe about it you are probably one of those retards that spammed the board during her debut. I doubt she will ever leave your mind so keep letting her live there rent free and seethe till your death comes.

>>62324268
Have some piece of history, /a/non testing the new facerig-live2D tech
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/134826872
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/134826872/#134829054

>>62323910
i really like that you don't call these "who"posters retards though.

>>62323971
Like I said, you'll understand once you grow a bit older. Your understanding of relationships is at the level of a 12-year old child. Hint: People aren't 100% good or 100% evil. There's usually a reason why people get into relationships in the first place, and that doesn't just disappear the moment the abuse begins. The abuse might not even be conscious or intentional.
Anyway, I'll let you come to your own conclusions in time. There's no point trying to teach a toddler how to fix a car.

>>62324268
>.EVIL
Not at all the topic of the thread, but I don't get why that's the only image people have of Siro's group. A certain fat ass mahjong drama whore left several years ago now, it's been comfy ever since

>>62324184
Well, if you're so certain... I hope Shiori finds her happiness in Hololive. She's a sweet girl and I want nothing but the best for her.

>>62324184
Shiori if you're here and reading this, don't cook at your office next week, set up your handcam in your kitchen so you don't splash burning oil over your setup. Thanks, love you.

I feel like I’m learning history through the veterans and elderly people ITT.

>>62324645
advent as a whole are all positive backgrounds especially fuwamoco at most. They can guide shiori in at least professional way

>>62324764
>elderly people
The "oldfags" on /vt/ are hardly older than election tourists.

>>62324723
And stop wearing gloves. You didn't as an indie, show your hands here too!

>>62324946
No fuck that, the kayfabe is cute, keep it up. The sleeve warmers are perfect.

>>62324576
>Hint: People aren't 100% good or 100% evil.
Except Eilene who is literally Satan, right Shiori?

>>62324576
>The abuse might not even be conscious or intentional
unironically battered housewife mentality
>I can save him

>>62325117
Eilene just seems like your average lazy and dumb anon. It's likely that he never intended for things to turn out like this, but that doesn't absolve him of all responsibility.

>>62320270
>>62320342
>>62320602
>>62320831
>>62323577
Phasefags really are catalogniggas

>>62325117
Eilene isn't evil. She's just lazy and a cunt.
And objectively inept.
3 traits that make someone very unlikeable.

>>62325238
I wanted to call you a dumb bitch, but then I remembered that you're mentally only 12 years old.

Eilene is based. Kamioshi material.

>>62319577
>just stole my book
Bitch, it wasn't your book. What's more, you ripped half the pages out of it and erased all mention of the author.
At least be a little grateful that he let you hold the book and because of that, you're holding a new fancy book now

>>62325366
>making a tranny your oshi
Grim

>>62325276
Hylo is the only one that blames lumi for everything and still tries to get people to hate lumi to this day. The others all moved on long ago.
Sometimes she even makes anti lumi threads.

>>62319577
Who cares about all this shit. One second watching shiori is enough to understand she's a cunt, narcissistic cunts are usually surrounded by other narcissistic cunts, how suprising.

This is just meaningless drama, best thing you can do is just ignore them and not talk about it, they literally require attention to not go psychotic which is why they surround themselves with drama sooner or later

>>62325427
Shiori is the one using the pronoun extension Anon.

>>62325398
Suck my dick Eilene, you deserve less than nothing.

>>62325471
Hi Eilene

>>62325491
Doesn't change what Eilene is

>>62325491
Would you like to prove that right now?
And no, story of seasons pronoun clip doesn't count since she was only talking about how it's great she can play as a female character.

>>62325471
One second watching shiori that you haven't done, but also hi Eilene, stop seething on iketog and stop coming /here/ when even iketog laughs you out.

>>62325518
> calls eilene and all his orbiters narcissistic cunts
>hi Eilene
kys faggot

>>62325647
>calls eilene and all his orbiters cunts
>the post is talking about shiori
Can't read or something?

>>62324764
One day, you'll be the oldfag telling newfags about the current vtubing era. Remember, you're here forever.

>>62325647
Anon your reading reps…

>>62324516
kino

>>62319577
Literally WHOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>62325722
>narcissistic cunts are usually surrounded by other narcissistic cunts, how suprising.
Are you retarded or just can't read? I understand it's easier to just fling insults without reading but still at least don't imply other people can't read when you are the problem

>still no list of her crimes
disappointing

>>62325788
>Doubling down.
Hi Eilene.

>>62325796
>>62283236

>>62321111
He's a scam artist extraordinaire, Moe dropped him in 2020.

>>62325837
>>62325759
>>62325722
>>62325518

Holy shit reading comprehension is really in the shitter nowadays

>>62324184
aight fine, shiori tweet something about rpg maker or bananas.

>>62325556
Why did you have to make me post it again

>>62325556

>>62326026
>>62326081
Interesting, more ammunition to take back to iketog, thanks.

>>62326123
>doxxnigger

>>62326123
sister, every knows about it already...

>>62326156
It's too easy to get good stuff for Shiori /here/. Just pretend to be retarded and you get spoonfed.

>>62325647
>>62325900
Retard

>>62323099
They all do, barring a few small exceptions, literally ALL vtubers come here sometimes. Egosearching, lurking, shitflinging, memeing, just having fun, starting drama. advertising, falseflagging, talking to their fans secretly and anonymously to pick their brains and just talk. Etc
If you spent a disgusting amount of time here over the years you notice things. A lot of chuubas will even hint that they are here or outright say it. Many of them were raised on it.
Mori even sang songs with /a/ for example back in the day
At this point I think it's more unlikely if they're not /here/ at least occasionally.

>>62326123
Mythfag here with basically no contact with advent so far
So I guess shiori fans are just kroniifags.2?

>>62326264
you are beyond delusional if you believe that sisters are shiori's fans when there's evidence of them shitting on her and trying to use her to shit on others.

>>62326206
Nice larp, but nothing that has been said in this thread is new. Not knowing about it just makes you seem like a joke.

>>62326368
>he thinks its a larp and sisters arent just retarded

>>62326081
what's that site/app or whatever that is

>>62326216
Alright retard, let's take you back to pre-school
>>62325471 (me)
>Who cares about all this shit.
I'm telling you to just fucking stfu and stop arguing about retarded shit, including a literally who (fucking Eilene if you can't fucking understand it) from the fucking prehistory of western dogshit vtubing that no one gives a shit about.
>One second watching shiori is enough to understand she's a cunt
I'm telling you here that one second is enough for most people to understand that shiori is your standard vacuous piece of garbage (nothing too wrong with that to be honest, but i wouldn't waste my time with her)
>narcissistic cunts are usually surrounded by other narcissistic cunts, how suprising
It isn't suprising that Shiori got hired by Eilene in the past as birds of a feather tend to flock together (read: people with similar traits tend to gather up and know each other, i don't literally mean birds here fyi)
>This is just meaningless drama, best thing you can do is just ignore them and not talk about it
God just please shut the fuck up about this, most arguments in vt are already dog shit but this is somehow even more pointless, it literally serves no one to discuss this
> they literally require attention to not go psychotic which is why they surround themselves with drama sooner or later
They as in every single piece of narcissistic trash, including both Eilene and Shiori
>hi Eile-
*decapitates you and rapes your throat hole*

>>62320005
Hence the public tag instead of just DMing her, adds that public pressure to reply and reply favourably. What a manipulative little shit.

>>62326569
Relax Eilene

>>62326569
>shiori is your standard vacuous piece of garbage
She seems sweet enough to me. A little naive maybe, but that's it.

>>62326569
Eilene...

>>62326569
Chill Eilene.
You don't have to seethe so hard.

>>62326569
jesas, you remind me of jewcob and daiz, thank god you don't have the reach and influence those two faggots have

>>62326569
I always knew you an Moe were full of shit. Glad to see I was right.

>>62326696
Alright this is going to sound insulting, but i genuinely don't mean it like that, just asking out of curiousity but how often do you socialize with other people including women?
I'm just saying this because the first thing that jumps to my mind when i watch her never after the first week, I don't care to hatewatch was that she is a low grade person, literally petty as shit and quickly to not just backstab you irl if she could but not even care or feel bad about it irl for me. I have positive relationships with women in my life, but I've also had negative ones which is how at least most of us get this "sixth" sense of being able to detect someones intentions and personality to some extent relatively quickly. Is it faultless? No. Can i be wrong? Ofc, but I really dont care to find out, when I've been correct so many times in the past.
i kind of wonder whether some people have more difficulty learning how to "read" people like this which is why so many men get consistently fucked over in their irl relationships nowadays. Ofc sometimes someone is perfectly fine and just can't help but throw shit flags everywhere and that might be the case, but sweet or naive is literally never how I'd describe shiori (and I admit i barely watched her so i really don't know her)
inb4 you hate her because of vibes? No faggot, i don't care for her because she probably is trash, and i don't care enough to find out if she really is trash or isn't after spending a few hours doing so

>>62326664
>>62326909
>>62327087
>>62327145
>>62327194
Like I legitimately hope, honestly, true to God, that you aren't novellites, I'd hate to actually be sharing a fanbase with people that genuinely can't read

>>62327205
Jesus christ the level of schizophrenia here

>>62322853
>>62323002
>>62326613
>Eilene makes it public
:-(
>Holo makes it public
:-O

>>62327361
>a fucking bong

>>62327205
Average Shiori anti.

>>62327362
insane levels of projections lmao this is Definity a seething 2view

>>62327361
Aight

>>62327145
>daiz
I mean, that's the origin of the list of crimes meme kek

>>62327361
>timezone
wait, is it vox?

>>62327205
Literally schizo behavior. Funny how you never talk about anything she has said or done, only what you "feel".

>>62327569
>sees a brit
>it's Vox!
Do holobronies really?

>>62327571
>say how I judged her by her vibes
>Funny how you never talk about anything she has said or done, only what you "feel".
Are you retarded nigger, that is literally what i said I did, jesus christ man, there's some legit brainlets in this thread

>>62327205
Schizophrenic or not I do see this as a valid reason not to watch her.
Out of curiosity is there any other chubba you refuse to watch due to this reason.

>>62327205
All this tells me is that you've literally watched none of advent either since one collab is all you need for a "vibe" check on Shiori.

>>62327710
You give off stupid extremely online cunt making shit up for (you)s vibes, no offense.

>>62327205
>it was revealed to me in a dream

>>62322232
Fuck you. I want to cuddle with Shiori under a blanket on a cold day while she tells me about all the weird shit she watched on \gif\ today.

>>62327688
Who else? Does Rin even care about Shiori?

>>62327839
she did try to leech because of the oreo hair

>>62327205
>this "sixth" sense of being able to detect someones intentions and personality
So you're a schizo. Glad we cleared that up.

>>62327688
you want me to say froot then faggot? not like bri'ish chuubas have any relevance

All of these bitches are drama queens kek

>>62327710
What makes you a schizo is saying "One second watching shiori is enough to understand she's a cunt" and then admitting that you are not basing it on anything, just your feelings.

>>62324268
>.Evil
Kek

So this Eileen dude wants the OtakuMoe channel back. Does this extend to the Moe character and Raven Manor channel as well?

>>62328540
Yes, no

>>62328540
Waitttt, why does he own Raven Manor as well? Wtf

>>62327714
Alright i'm going to get hate for this, and this is slightly off topic, so I'm spoilering it again this shit is based on feel, I don't hate chuubas that trigger this feel for me, I just don't watch them, I don't shitpost about them either, neither do i care to catalog everytime I felt this in the past or have experience a super long list of chuubas

Stream of thought time:
Amelia, she legitimately triggers this shit so hard for me, according to teammates i couldn't be more wrong, but I literally can't shake it off, I swear it's nothing personal (like the way she talks most of the time is genuine and quite open and i recognize that, but I really really get the feeling she's being genuine to trap me later, like again call it schizo if you want, instincts are instincts)

The vshojo pink cat i forget the name of
Ironmouse doesn't but i still dislike her for particularly no reason, just don't vibe with her that well. Similarly also sort of dislike mori but mostly because of shit she has done, don't get that backstabby feel she'd probs be fun to hang around with but if I could choose someone else i'd probs do it.

Kiara is fine but she gives me "this is a mopey retard" vibes like the kind of unlucky person that can't help but focus on her bad luck? (watched about 10 hours of kiara related content total never just her, outside of like 10 mins of a random RTS like japanese game?) Irl this is the person that would just talk to you for hours while you have important shit to do, avoid at all costs if you can hide that you are doing it, but keep a positive relationship as they tend to help out if you need something

Didn't watch her since but there was a vtuber that was playing dwarf fortress an indie or something that legitimately gave me really genuine vibes a few months back, dunno, particularly struck me as sweet, I should probably find out who that was (had some sort of chat puppets in the screen? sang a bit maybe? was on youtube)

Dogs are fine, might be my oshi if i didn't have one already

Bijou didn't vibe very well with either, honestly looking back to it, she's someone that really fits my tastes but i legitimately don't want to watch her even if i had time, so i guess her too? It's not that she's boring, I feel somewhat off about her, like Nerissa content is not something i enjoy, i wouldn't watch her either, but i don't feel slightly negative to her for no reason like i do for bijou

Don't remember too many other people to be honest I'd almost say pomu, but i have literally only watched hand picked vt clips and even then i didn't feel that bad about it so eh
If you care ask me about a chuuba in specific, i can give you my feel for her, but I really don't watch many vtubers these days

>>62328687
>i'm going to get hate for this
I just pity you, mr schizo

>>62322944
Lurk more.

>>62327381
> dude evidently gets access to the youtube channel
> we know this because of her vaguepost about her book being stolen
> he publicly tags her afterwards to make it look like he asked for permission, then follows up with a tweet announcing that he sent a dm, to pretend like he’s hasnt already taken the account.
Try again idiot

>>62328226
>>62327961
What is this retarded argument?
>You can't hold feelings for people because of your feelings, you need to base your feelings on cold hard facts
Nigger who has the time for this shit? Do you seriously engage in 100 day long dissections of the character of everyone that you meet in real life? Jesus christ, you have to assume some shit, you have to have some understanding of your feelings and instincts. Again i said in the original post that this might be wrong i'm not saying it is a cold fucking hard fact, just how i feel about it
>but you said that it only takes a second to think she's a cunt
Yeah, most people that i know would do the exact same fucking judgement on her, i have no doubt in my fucking mind
Like is this some sort of shit post where you pretend you never judge people based on how they present themselves to you? Or is this genuine? Are you like a mcdonalds worker or some shit that doesn't have to care about appearances, about judgement calls or something? The real world literally runs on this shit, i feel like im losing my mind here

>>62328687
>The vshojo pink cat i forget the name of
If you forgot her name I have absolutely no idea why you hate her

>>62329118
> I don't hate chuubas that trigger this feel for me,
>I have absolutely no idea why you hate her
I'm going to murder someone

>>62328687
>Didn't watch her since but there was a vtuber that was playing dwarf fortress an indie or something that legitimately gave me really genuine vibes a few months back, dunno, particularly struck me as sweet, I should probably find out who that was (had some sort of chat puppets in the screen? sang a bit maybe? was on youtube)
that's most likely Onolumi

>>62322944
Eilene is kind of like a combination of Kizuna Ai and Omega/every shitty small corpo CEO ever. That’s why Shiori hates him and so do we. Because Eilene was there before Kizuna Ai and could have been something, but he’s a greedy shit who basically ghosted and left notShiori on her own until she got into Hololive.

>>62329308
That's 100% her thank you anon.

So yeah basically this Eileen person did nothing wrong got it /vt/

>>62323803
He unironically said pre IM era, no actual oldfag would mention or consider her as one of ancient chuuba, you should've know he is tourist newfag

Shiori doesn't sound like a sane person to me, she's the kind of "friend" who talk shit about you when you're not there
But Eilene is obviously a greedy retard and a total failure

>>62328687
Sounds a bit like PTSD than “sixth sense” to me.
But you do you anon, it's ok to dislike someone by feeling.
Thanks for taking your time typing all that.

>>62328941
>they both make it public for their own reasons, but Eilene shouldn't because of reeee
>>62329366
> and so do we
>we

>>62319656
literally the genesis of vtubing. yes.

>>62329607
Careful anon, next thing you know they want you to post a thesis on the facts about why you feel that way about shiori, can't be having unlicensed feelings around vt, the epitome of logical discourse

Based Eilene causing trouble even this late into this industry, she's truly the Genesis and the Apocalypse of the vtuber world

>>62329607
>Doesn’t sound like a sane person
Literally no one thinks she is sane.

last thread made me wish i was an oldfag
i also realised you collectively dislike mori because she's literally all of you but a girl

>>62329997
Shiori is an autistic retard with no filter. She's the last person I would call sane

>>62328687
>Didn't watch her since but there was a vtuber that was playing dwarf fortress an indie or something that legitimately gave me really genuine vibes a few months back, dunno, particularly struck me as sweet, I should probably find out who that was (had some sort of chat puppets in the screen? sang a bit maybe? was on youtube)
Onolumi!
and yes she is very sweet!

>>62319944
Eilene… with the track record she has, I can easily believe that she did something shitty too moe in purpose or by accident. Its a combination of clumsiness, bad planning and greedyness with bouts sometimes of generosity(not that often). A lot of drive and commitment, zero thinking, literally zero. She winged it , barely, until reality finally catched up.

>>62329096
>>You can't hold feelings for people because of your feelings, you need to base your feelings on cold hard facts
I never said this, you can feel whatever you want. But there's a big line between "X doesn't give me a good feeling" and "X is a narcissistic cunt".
>Again i said in the original post that this might be wrong i'm not saying it is a cold fucking hard fact
You didn't say this in your first post but whatever anon, if that makes you happy.
>Like is this some sort of shit post where you pretend you never judge people based on how they present themselves to you?
No one is telling you that you can't judge anyone either. What's fucking retarded is coming into a thread saying it only takes a second to know she's a narcissist, then when they call you a schizo you say "actually I may not be right but I'm still going to double down and say it's valid even if I don't care".
>>62329771
>next thing you know they want you to post a thesis on the facts about why you feel that way about shiori
You're being disingenuous because that's not what happened.

>>62329192
sorry I can't read

>>62321750
>being this impressed by a woman being passive aggressive on the internet

>>62319577
Are we already back to Eilene grifter arc?

>>62330588
Yes except this time he wants to use the account with the most subs since he lost all of the others LOL

>>62321227
The channel at that time was dead sub central. Eilene broght all channels to the ground with continuous shill sponsor uploads that were mostly boriiiing

>>62330232
She did what people with mc syndrome do and decided they wanted to do bigger things and when they realized the workload is untenable shoved it onto someone else with self esteem issues and then bullied them for not getting the work done fast enough

>>62330328
>But there's a big line between "X doesn't give me a good feeling" and "X is a narcissistic cunt"
No there isn't unless you want the person to write a thesis on a 4ch forum. If you get a very strong negative feeling instantly about someone else, I'd say you can say they are garbage on vt
>You didn't say this in your first post but whatever anon
I didn't say it in the literal first post i made, as i thought it was self explanatory (but it seems quite apparent you are unable to read or comprehend written text), but in literally every post after, including the second ONE THAT EXPLAINS THE FIRST POST that you were reading incorrectly >>62326569 and the direct follow up for that >>62327205, I do. From the way it is written it is fucking (or should be) beyond obvious that I am speaking from heart (OTHERWISE there'd be fucking quotes in it wouldn't there you mongoloid?).
From the getgo i am just providing my opinion, i didn't mean to cause a shit storm, much to the contrary actually, but I'd be fine with it if you were discussing my opinion or just saying it is trash instead of CONSISTENTLY and INCESSANTLY just missreading what i am saying. It is fucking absurd the amount of misunderstandings that popped up from here, like fucking hell one anon even starts by arguing about why i hate someone when the first sentence literally says i dont hate anyone in that list

well there WAS some good discussion going on, don't know what the fuck happened

>>62330842
Welcome to /vt/

Would Eleine legally have a ground to be able to claim Moe as his own IP anymore?
He effectively gave away the character for someone else to use. It's like setting up a lemonade stand with a logo you drew on the sign and then telling some other kid they can run it, fucking off with zero communication as if you were dead leaving 100% of the operation to the kid, then coming back next year to claim the successful lemonade factory belongs to you because it uses your logo still. If he kept managing her in some way he'd have a tie to it still but he completely fucked off voiding himself of all responsibility in relation to the use of the IP and it's financial aspects
Game/film studios are effectively by law not allowed to be relaxed and permit piracy and instead required to try and shut down people who distribute their stuff for example, or they lose the rights to their IP. Would this be something similar?

>>62329096
There's nothing wrong with avoiding someone simply because of a gut feeling.
There's plenty wrong with asserting that someone must be a cunt on the sole basis of a gut feeling.
I mean, I actually agree with you on Ame. She comes across as not genuine at all to me and it weirds me out. But do I go around posting about how I know she's a cunt? No, I just avoid her streams. And even if the topic comes up, I don't say that I think she's anything, I accept that I simply don't know.

>>62330114
I need to get back to watching Onolumi it's been a while

>>62331324
> I don't hate chuubas that trigger this feel for me, I just don't watch them, I don't shitpost about them either
I posted this >>62328687 here but i do guess calling her a cunt in my first message technically counts as hate. I seriously think its vt being a bit sensitive, but if i really think about it i guess so? Again the original post >>62325471, was mostly me just being annoyed at the topic and discussion, sort of "what did you expect" sort of thing than calling her out or saying that I know her better than anyone else, but whatever

>>62331311
I have no idea, but it does seem like there ought to be legal precedence for this sort of thing. Then again, I doubt anyone would sue over this. It's probably down to who has access to the passwords and who google would listen to in a pinch.

>>62330114
>>62329308
>>62331439
Yeah, I'll give it a go for sure too

>>62331311
Probably not the character since it was not designed or created by him. But if the documentation shows that the channel is his, then he absolutely can reclaim ownership of the channel in standard indian giver fashion.

>one party wants a channel
>the other only makes a (apparently deleted) passive aggressive comment
>the first party gets the channel
Assuming both parties are adults not under duress, where's the problem here? Other than the latter party being a non-constructive cunt that is. I say a non-constructive cunt because if she were constructive she'd simply not give up the channel if she didn't want to and had the right to keep it, and if she lacked the right or the intention to keep the channel she'd give it up without being bitchy about it. The people in this thread are acting like women.

>>62331311
That's not how the law works Anon. He still owns it.

>>62331665
Well, I'd say you broke your rule about shitposting about them, but I get that your intention was more intended to shut down the conversation instead of shitting on Shiori specifically.
But really, it's just down to conventions. 4chan allows you to be as much of an asshole as you want, but you have to accept that people can and will call you out for it if they feel like it has no basis. (And you're free to ignore them/us of course.) If you were like "Shiori is an ass because she said X", I wouldn't even have thought about it. But claiming she must be a cunt because you got a feeling about her was a bit much. If you dug into her a bit you'd see that she has a big heart. She's far from perfect but she's trying her best.

>>62331817
Moe was created by Eilene tho, she was already a character in Eilene's family before becoming a separate vtuber

>>62330804
>No there isn't unless you want the person to write a thesis on a 4ch forum.
If this is all you have to say, it seems to me that we are not going to get anywhere. Do whatever you want.

>>62331311
>>62331718
>>62331817
see >>62315763 >>62315800

>>62331324
Who is your oshi anon ?

>>62332093
I reluctantly agree, that it borders on shitposting, guess I went a bit more heavyhanded than i intended in it, but I'm still going to call you all out for being little pussies too in the way that you reacted to it
I dont mind if you thought i was an asshole, I mostly just hate how you people barely even managed to understand what you were reading and responded immediately in basically incoherent manners. Like i get it is vt, i shouldn't expect better, but if you said from the get-go "hey that's a bit heavyhanded asshole, she's trying her best" I'd be like, sure i disagree, this drama seems like it is partially her fault too, which kind of confirms the preconceived notions i have of her, but i don't care enough to argue about it as i also don't really know her, and pretending otherwise just from a post in vt is retarded. This wasn't what happened though, just immediate shit flinging and saying how it is schizophrenic to have gut feelings about people
> but gut feelings shouldn't be enough to call people assholes
Yeah irl, 100% agree, i guess I'm used to being a bit of an asshole online, but even then it's like the minimum amount of negativity one can have in a post imo, whatever

>>62332238
Like this guy, he legitimately cannot read, he can't comprehend anything he reads whatsoever, it is truly mindboggling, and this is the annoying part of this whole discussion

>>62329648
Yes we, if you actually think that incompetent troon is a decent person you're either Eilene himself or a clueless fanboy, as an ancient Mirai Akari fan I hope he rots in hell.

>>62331311
if he can outright take it anyway, why did he still ask for permission.

>>62320448
Link to the eilene archive? This thread made me nostalgic and I want to see the original ebola-tan video again. Did Moe delete Eilene content herself or only things she made?

>>62331924
>>62332265
But does he own the works created anymore?
Another way of thinking of it, if you get hired to work at some place by a manager and then one day the manager just says "Bye" and walks away abandoning the whole place seemingly never coming back, but you keep coming in to work everyday anyway in such a way that you run 100% of the business and pay yourself since no one else is paying you
Even if they technically own the place, can they come back in the distant future and claim everything you did, everything you made and every asset you paid for with the money you made from 100% of your own labour is 100% their own assets to claim? What if they literally were dead?
Is there no recognition of transfer of assets when there is transfer of responsibilities from a void person?

>>62332798
Just because you have the right to take something by force doesn't mean it's more productive than establishing cooperation.

>>62322917
Ah to be 12 again

>>62332922
non that anon and I don't have an archive, but have some
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhTEZVuKnHc

How much of this is people fighting over youtube channels they made when they were 15?

>>62333066
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgImHTgu0Mg
nyanhello!!
featuring Moe

>>62327205
Posts like this are why vtuber fans are considered bottom of the rung in the social hierarchy, even lower than bronies

>>62333013
Why wasn't it done through DMs then? What compels him to do it in public just so drama can brew?

>>62319577
Wasn't Moe's channel Eliene's?

>>62333003
You can't get an owning stake in someone's house by throwing money through their window, you've just given them money for no reason. Pity clauses for turbo-goyness don't exist, much less on the internet. As for if Moe actually made and registered an IP and then featured that on the channel it would remain her IP that was featured in Eileen's channel, but even Moe herself is an Eileen IP so that seems doubtful.

>>62333432
Maybe she tried and Shiori is ghosting her.

>>62333205
>nyanhallo
>pink woman
>edgy content
>large western audience
Is Eileen the proto-Miko?

>>62333436
>you've just given them money for no reason
That's not the case in this scenario, it's someone taking a business on for themselves that was abandoned to them. That person abandoning their business to someone else is the big key here
If this happened 100+ years ago I feel like what I described would probably be a given in most peoples minds, like if a master died and an apprentice takes over the shop but instead of dying the master just fucked off into the distance

>>62333066
>>62333205
Am I the only one who find these videos slightly unnerving to watch? Static png with mouth and eye overlays look uncanny.

https://youtu.be/vuvbuOXMtxM?si=2GR2Y8cMXdXswd-z&t=156
kek

>>62333595
see pic >>62323803
Mikocchi lore runs deep

>>62333595
Triangle mouth too, and obviously they're both otaku

>>62333686
We went from Eilene's VN-proto-vtuber style,
to Kizuna AI's prerrecorded skits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB-d67wDxXs
And then Tsukino Mito popularized live streaming
not to mention 4Kings, Sora's christmas miracle, etc

And now you're here.

I love how every shat on Moe until blue triangle.

>>62333901
I remember when vrchat players used kizuna ai as their skin in dating sims

>>62333066
>>62333205
This gives me real classic /a/ shitposter vibes. Like neko neko sugar girls and demolition D.
Kino, even if the creator is being a cunt rn

>>62334069
Eileen is a visionary for sure, he was just never made to make it "big". His sweet spot will always be as a small creator.

>>62333901
God I haven't watched anything from kizuna in years, this feels weird and nostalgic

>>62334069
that's pretty much what is it yeah

>>62333686
Indie live2d usually looks like ass, Eileen is kinda uncanny but that level is actually pretty good for 2015. Note how none of the other characters are animated, since it probably wasn't easy to replicate.

>>62333708
>https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/145884196/#145884196
>all those ghost posts

>>62334384
2views usually have garbage live2d or vroid models, but nowadays 3views have pretty good models and rigging. Industry has changed a lot since then.

>>62333902
their oshi is cover, please understand

>>62334518
holy kek I never thought to check the ghostposts for that thread

>the ancient evil of vtubing was a 4chan shitposter
How

>>62335144
meme magick, we basically invented vtubers

This thread reminded me that Eilene once posted on pol about the ebola chan videos.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/35879171/#q35882727

Bakers?

>>62335144
shit runs deep
I don't get why anon still surprised about chuuba lurking here considering everything. Shiori is pretty confirmed to be here but people are still denying it

>>62331885
obviously you’ve barely read this thread & the prior thread
let me force the spoon down your throat
Eilene owns the right to the Natsumi Moe Character
>see here, while this was posted after your post, it saves me from having to dig through the prior thread again to find mentions of this fact
>>62332189
Eilene then, for whatever reason, decides to create a ramshackle vtuber agency using the characters they’ve created.
Then this vtuber agency, Eilene, hired the person behind Natsumi Moe to become Natsumi Moe, explicitly telling them they’d get them a manager and all that other support stuff. But within the first year on the job that person finds themselves with not only having to be their own manager & lacking that other support, but also having to be the manager for Eilene. The same Eilene whose in charge of the vtuber agency & who had said they would get a manager for the chuuba, but never did. Then after several years of this, Eilene just vanishes without any prior notice, explanation, nor REPLACEMENT.
>see here
>>62318441
>>62318516
Now several years after Eilene vanished, now Eilene comes back after the person they had hired become more widely known.
Did the person initially benefit from riding the coattails of Eilene? Yes
Now Eilene might currently be trying to ride on the coattails of this person now that that person has hit a new wave of popularity. That’s not the issue, the issue is Eilene’s broken promises from a decade ago & the full on abandonment about 5 years ago. Of Eilene had done what they’re were supposed to do to begin with a decade ago & never left the person hanging, there wouldn’t be any drama between them about this.
Anyone else who sees this is free to correct me if I got anything wrong, I only know this because I actually read the prior thread & this current thread up to the post I’m responding to here.

>>62335286
HOLY SHIT BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED

I think Cover Inc. will work with Eilene.
They might even hire him as an employee.
(Chief Manager of EN Group)
Because the current Vtuber companies that "can do comedy" took a cue from Eirene

History of Vtubers
Kizuna Ai (posted videos) Kizuna Ai, Miraiakari, Shiro, Nnojaji (posted videos)
Era of video contribution (Game Club, Eiren)
Era of distributors (Niji-sanji, Idol club)
Hololive, NijiSanji, Buisupo "three major companies".

カバー株式会社はエイレーンに協力すると思うよ
社員として雇うかもしれない
(ENグループのチーフマネジャー)
なぜなら今の「コメディができる」Vtuber企業達はエイレーンを参考にしたから

Vtuberの歴史
キズナアイ(動画投稿)キズナアイ、ミライアカリ、シロ、のじゃおじ(動画投稿)
動画投稿の時代(ゲーム部、エイレーン)
配信者の時代(にじさんじ、アイドル部)
ホロライブ、にじさんじ、ぶいすぽ 「三大企業」

>>62335870
Nah, Shiori ratted him out to Cover, basically closing any door he had in the vtuber world. She hates him THAT much

Eirene specialized in videos in which a game recording of about 10 hours was summarized into 10 minutes and a vulgar woman introduced the game at breakneck speed. She is said to be Chinese-American.
(That's why many of her fans are Chinese.)
The style in which women use eroticism to make people laugh was greatly influenced by Niji-sanji in the past, Hololive in the past, and Aogiri High School today.
But the video postings have been destroyed by distributors. It costs too much for the reputation.
Eirene abandoned her own group, including Natsumi Moe, and disappeared.
The members of Eirene Box were various, some continued to wait for her, some gave up on her, but Eirene Box went to sleep.
One of them even worked a miracle to be adopted by the holo-live.

Anyway, Eirene was one of the ancestors who influenced the Vtuber world.
I think Cover Inc. will treat him politely.
Either behind the scenes in the creator's slot or as a manager... His language skills are also amazing, English, Chinese, and Japanese.
I don't think it's a distributor hire.

エイレーンは10時間くらいのゲーム収録を10分にまとめ、下品な女性が猛スピードでゲーム紹介をする動画を得意とした。中華系アメリカ人ではと言われている。
(だから彼女のファンに中国人が多い)
女性がエロで笑いを取るスタイルは昔のにじさんじ、昔のホロライブ、今のあおぎり高校など影響が大きい。
だが、動画投稿は配信者に駆逐された。評価の割にコストがかかるのだ。
エイレーンは夏美もえなど、自分のグループを捨てて失踪した。
エイレーン箱のメンバーは彼女を待ち続ける者、彼女を諦める者、色々いたが、エイレーン箱は眠りについたのだ。
その中には、ホロライブに採用される奇跡を起こした者も一人居た。

とにかく、エイレーンはVtuber界に影響を与えた祖先の一人。
カバー株式会社は丁重に接すると思う。
クリエイター枠の裏方か、マネジャーか・・・英語、中国語、日本語と語学も凄い。
配信者採用では無いと思うけど。

>>62332323
what’s your IQ anon?

>>62335603
If there were contractual obligations then show the contract. If there's no contract then there are, de facto, no obligations. If Moe believed Eilene failed her responsibilities she had years to leave, yet didn't. Why are you trying to garner sympathy for Moe using a channel that Eilene apparently abandoned for her own purposes, yet Eilene the rightful owner of the channel taking back a channel Moe already abandoned 2 years ago is suddenly a bad guy? It reeks of bias. Moe becoming a holo means that there's no possibility of her coming back, so the channel is truly dead if Eileen doesn't come back, maybe that's why she suddenly reappeared.

>>62335956
iya, shiori wa mou, eilene no koto wo mikkoku sareta
kore wo mite
https://youtube.com/shorts/KvLy_5VjIKw?si=3YK2JEMw2aUbwaoO

>>62335870
>>62335956
>new IP
are you a japanese or are you copying from some website?

As for Eilene getting in hololive, if she's clashing with Shiori, then it won't happen.