/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

to be fair, this board has an unnatural obsession with trying to dig their hardest into peoples pasts from literally every org, holo, niji, whoever and it's really fucking strange but actually voicing this shit out is just going to make people look harder and they'll keep bringing it up to grate on her feelings since they know it'll work

also enna is a cunt lol

>>62219119
not usually one to post in enna threads but she legitimately gave me second hand embarrassment in this clip

I just ignore her existence.

>>62219119
So she got a boyfriend and is less bitter now. Cool. Still an annoying bitch.

>>62219119
>It's funny to point my fingers at others while I hide myself as an anonymous on the internet where nobody can criticize me
kek acting as if you are better

>>62219255
yeah enna is a cunt but come to think of it there is little difference between this and xwitter sisters canceling people over shit they said a decade ago

>>62219119
dumb cunt

>>62219890
NTA

Enna is a public figure now, so it's fair game, as it is for any e-celeb out there. It's also fair to say she's courted controversy and has poisoned her brand, so this history digging isn't entirely unwarranted.

Act like a bitch, get treated like a bitch. You don't pay me to compliment you, dumb cunt Enna, I can say what I want. Freedom baby.

>>62219999
>You made fun of gays once 15 years ago, a new group of people think its time to get you booted from hosting the Oscars
vs
>Hey last year you shit on your fanbase. Same fanbase reminds her of shit

The difference could save your life anon.

>>62219999
>a decade ago
last year she was insulting all her genmates for fun, and calling her fans cucks, and the Secret GC nonsense. Now she thinks the can just walk away and pretend like nothing happened, which was probably her plan from the beginning.

>>62219999
It's comeuppance anon from her same existing viewers.

>>62219119
>That was a month ago you guys!

>>62219119

>>62219119
If you act like a bitch, people are gonna think you're a bitch. It's a situation entirely of your own making.

>>62219119
Clipping a casual zatsu and take it too seriously is just stupid. She clearly is joking around and her fans love it.

Her best hit was still when she called Kyo a fucking wigger.

Does someone have that rentry link

>>62221617
KEK queen of spades holy fuck i forgot about that

>>62219119
Is she not bitter, dirty and mean anymore? Is she trying to be more "seiso" because her nastiness turned people off?

>>62219890
Just don't be a dumbass when you're getting recorded, everyone with half a brain know they will get critiqued for saying a controversial take while thousands of people are watching

>>62223908
Ho-o-o-oly shit rumao

>>62223908
it's probably edited, but I want it to be real so bad.

>>62221617
What the...

>>62219119
oh noes i am le victim of le evil haters

>>62219119
Poor little Enna, always getting grudgeposted

>>62219119
Is she projecting us onto her fans or is her chat just filled with antis?

>>62224167
its real and she had a melty about it for weeks

>>62219119
What a cunt

>>62223908
You can find the streamables in archives, it was on a member stream and the guy who wrote that is most likely op

>>62221617
These are all true btw

>>62223908
That is fucking funny

>>62219999
Well... If almost 10 years is little difference than sure.

Ennaschizo seems to have forgotten but she also has cp on her phone

>>62219119
It is indeed very fair and deserved. Given her history, I doubt she will ever sincerely change.

>>62224922 (me)
Meant to tag >>62219255

>>62224767
can you give some search keywords? the ennaschizo makes it really difficult to search the archives for it. lol

>>62224496
Same thing. Most of her antis are former fans. You don't get that many schizos remembering what she said on every stream without there being a history first. With the way she treats her viewers, as well as her narcissistic character, it's inevitable she'd end up at the center of a toxic parasocial maelstrom.

>>62219119
Women will absolutely try to bend the fabric of time and space to avoid accountability for any past and current transgressions.

Hey an Ennaschizo thread, haven't seen these in a while. Anyways I found the context of the clip, it's her last stream, the Suika one, at 4:01:02

>>62219999
The difference is people here dont actually care, they just like being trolls about it. For example, you really think people here give a shit that Kiara said nigga during a karaoke stream? Like come on.

>>62225651
No, but it would've been absolute karma kino if the twitter trannies started hounding the chicken for it. Alas, it was a member stream, so it couldn't gain traction among the normie fans even if every schizo on the board tried to make it a thing.

i loooooove enna

>>62223908
No fucking way, that is extremely based.

Some of NijiEN's hires can be so frustrating to watch. Nobody asked Enna to do shit like derail the Secret GC stream almost immediately, nobody asked for people like her and Kyo to off collab and deliberately go out of their way to antagonize fans, nobody asked them to create so much drama that it basically caused an exodus of viewers and now talents because the content and situations were just unbearable to put up with. It all could've been easily avoided and better handled.
NijiEN was basically success handed to them on a platter, literally all they had to do was play vidya (not even well, just play it), create a casual environment and collect their paychecks. Instead they helped squander it so hard alongside bad management that the brand is already worth so little.

>>62223908
It was funny because she try to act cool and be nice, but then forgot everyone know who the person making the prompt because the host have a crown when she shitting on him.

>>62219119
>Only entertaining quality is how hateable she is
>Complains about being hated

>>62226868
Management has to be friends with some of them and its why they refuse to do anything about the troublemakers, I can't believe otherwise that they would willingly allow those retards to torpedo the branch in such a retarded way.
It's so fucking stupid that when HoloEN was at its weakest, NijiEN was busy trying to blow their own heads off with a shotgun.

aloucuck defense force

>>62219119
https://streamable.com/51juoi
She's not being nice of her own accord.

>>62223908
holy kek never seen this before
the absolute state of niji

>>62223908
Holy shit

>>62227656
of course they are
wouldn't be surprised some new management is also elira nepohires since she tries to get one friend in every wave
at least her nepohire from the heroes jumped ship and leaked everything

>>62219119
Tough shit. Don't do stupid shit if you don't want people to call you out on your stupid shit.

Every time I see a enna post I remember this

>>62224167
It's real kek

>>62219119
I seriously hope she will never somehow end up in Vshojo because she's either a horrible person or has some of the most dedicated schizos on this board. Maybe even both.

>>62227656
That wouldn't be surprising, NijiEN's management from what they've demonstrated this year have shown that they cannot walk the fine line of being friendly but not friends with the talents, they don't know when and how to properly lay down the law while giving an appropriate punishment for an infraction, they dont even know how to run a business consisting of various web personalities and differing tastes among fanbases for that matter.
And yeah, they basically gave HoloEN a second wind. So many fans basically ran off or ran back to HoloEN or indies or small corpos for that matter, and that viewership/money doesn't seem to be coming back ever.

>>62223908
>>62225060
>>62228159
I managed to find it. Looks like it actually is fucking real indeed. lmao
https://streamable.com/gzyrly

>>62219255
She wasn’t even talking about that, she was referring to shit she did while in nijisanji

>>62219119
What even, that she confessed that loves children?
https://streamable.com/2qgth0

>>62221617
What a cunt.

>>62225651
Based

>>62219999
>canceling people over shit they said a decade ago
Anons have always done this with nyanners, it's nothing new.

>>62228307

>>62228307
>>62219119
Why is her voice so ugly?

>I'm not a huge cunt anymore I swear please stop remembering how much of a cunt I actually am

>>62219119
This is the 3rd time a NijiEN is crying about their bad reputation (that they brought upon themselves)

>>62225651
>you really think people here give a shit that Kiara said nigga during a karaoke stream?
Of course not because Hololive can do no wrong
You can bet your ass if a NijiEN talent did that you'd see the clip posted in every thread about them

woah, bijou is cool today

>>62228751
This was the moment Nina decided to get the hell out while she still could.

>>62221617
someone should add
>Already admited having a bf and living with him while telling her fans she's a lonely virgin
The twitter messages saying she's still a virgin and nothing happened weren't for her fans, it was for her boyfriend who was getting angry at kyo

>>62230711
Is the last part headcanon or has it been confirmed? Anyway that's fucked up

>>62228751
Their reactions are scary. What THE FUCK is wrong with this bitch?!

>>62230165
What were the other two times?

>>62230856
I forgot the other time, but I think Kyo had a breakdown twice, once over his bad reputation, a second time because his audience views him as week despite setting up his lore that he was "isekai'd" into NijiEN

>>62231109
So he complained about the consequences of his own actions, that's pathetic

>>62230856
Kyo and Sonny

>>62231259
What did Sonny do? He's been keeping a lot profile but I know he said the n word before

>>62231314
Cried about NijiEN's bad reputation
Did you not read the post
Dont know why he even cares about it he can just fake his death again

>>62231390
I meant like what exactly did he say

>>62231390
Sonny was upset, really? It wasn't his fault though, he didn't do anything to help contribute to that image. The problem was a mixture of bad management and bad hires that were let into the company and not tardwrangled at any point. Or if they were tardwrangled it seemed more like a slap on the wrist than any attempts to help work through real issues.

>>62230711
When did it get revealed rookie is bf

>>62231259
>>62231314
>>62231390
sexpest also whined about niji's bad reputation and the drama
also aia recently called out the dramatubers and saying you don't know le hecking know what nijien is cooking(no one cares what they are cooking the damage is already done)

55 posters and if there's one person who isnt a dramafag it already would be too much.

>>62231259
>>62231779
sonny never said anything, stop believing things you dont have any proof.

>sonnycucks coming out of their general to defend their lord

>>62231926
its obvious that 90% of the anons of this thread are small corps and holofags and not even nijien fans

>nijifag defense force pouring in

>>62231845
>You don't know what NijiEN is cooking!!
even a 3D wouldn't cut it, it's way too late.

>>62231980
thread got linked in your shill discord? go back

>>62232153
Are you unironically retarded?

>>62232050
Antis have a chance of being fans at one point anon. I enjoyed NijiEN up to the point this year with the double whammy of NijiFES being cancelled, and then came the 2% revenue split on merch that was leaked in May-June, which made it hard to want to support the talents because of how bad the company was.

>>62231980
You might be right, but with the state of NijiEN throughout the course of this year its hard not to believe any talent feeling depressed over the company's reputation.

>>62232197
They really needed a relay of 3D debuts after Lazulight's to continue the hype. Their popularity would probably still fall off but wouldn't be nowhere near as low as it is now and had two members poached

>>62225651
Black kfp here, I gave her a pass

Also don't pretend saying nigga because it's in a song is the same as being a foul bitch like Enna

all this talk of her being a cunt is just making me horny

>>62232359
It's funny isn't it? I hate her guts, but man, it makes busting a fat nut to her fanart feel good. Even still, I hate that bitch.

Anons fill me in on her having a bf? Since when, or was it roomie chan all along

>>62232322
they dont feel depressed over the company, all of the ones who spoke about this felt disdain over drama channels and antis, nothing about nijien iself as a brahcn.
and nijifes never has been cancelled, so its clear you never watched anything and are just a dramafag if you cant even name things correctly.

>>62232332
Based

>>62232427
I don't even hate her, just seeing the words "enna" and "cunt" together makes me imagine hers.

>>62232322
Aia was shitting on dramafags and "fans" buying on rumors and not giving value to positive things happening, only paying attention to negative. and how all of this just hurts them as vtubers.

>>62232514
Right, ColorsFES. Not like it matters much for EN, only Lazulight still has any 3D models as of the branch being around for 2 years, nearly 3 soon.
Also the drama channels wouldn't have as much material to work with, nor would they be as empowered to go after Anycolor if the company didn't fail horrifically at going after them back in February with DMCA's that Youtube themselves removed once it became clear they had no grounds to stand on. What worked in Japan wouldn't have any grounds in places like America. That, and it would help if the problem talents like Kyo or Enna were kept on a tight leash and not doing anything to fuel antis in the first place.

>>62219119
What she's saying is a totally valid thing to say. They're streamers. Human beings. You do it long enough and they become less of a debut stream gimmick and become an actual person. Kronii deals with this shit all the time. Some people in her community demand she be the exact same cold bitch persona she was at debut and every time she smiles or isn't overly conceded they riot. It's annoying. Let people grow. If you want something stagnant watch the same movie on repeat.

>>62232641
Well Aia has a 23 rice purity score so she isn't exactly helping their reputation either

>>62232592
NGMI

>>62219119
Keep being a nice person and eventually people will see you as a nice person and treat you as such. Until then, you're just going to have to take the verbal lashing that you've earned up until this point.

We all have to take our lumps from karma.

>>62232332
>Black
>KFP

Damn bro, i'm sorry for your condition. Also, fuck Enna. Fuck around and find out, bitch. You can't be a complete bitch in the literal sense and think people will just forget. You made the bed, now sleep in it cunt.

>>62232641
She's right, but it's what happens when your company copy strikes the only two "vtuber journalists" out there and doesn't even follow up to finish them off
You get zero coverage or awareness spread about even shit like new debuts because it'll be buried in headlines like "literal who on Twitter claims agency vtuber stole oshi mark"

>>62232841
Not colorFes either, holy shit. It's AR Live you retard

>>62233724
they already were doing that even before they were hit with copyright, both khyo and false. they didnt change the way they worked, thats how they already were since 2022, even more khyo

>defense force going all in

>>62233618
>crying over Kiara
Okay flip

>>62232481
She's talked about them on stream multiple times before, and no, not the flatmate.
https://youtu.be/pub6mPrfJJQ

>>62221617
>punches Jesus in the face and laughs about it
Based

>>62228307
Moonman back the scene.
Causing nijiniggers to flee the scene

>>62236930
Cringe

>>62228307
It's amazing that such a disgusting voice can come out of a cute model like that

>>62237397
I know right? It fits in no way shape or form.

>>62228307
Why do westoid roastoids cough into their mics?

>>62236026
The true Niji experience...

>>62236026
SHE DATED A FILIPINO???
AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>62227556
can you type that again in proper english?

>>62225651
SJWs don't actually care either

>>62219119
Luca is a seething creep deflection thread

>>62232050
>Niji treats decent talents like dogshit
>Props up absolutely awful people like Enna
>It is a grand revelation that people who take issue with this are not fans of Nijisanji

You are actually retarded, Anon.

>>62219119
my god this bitch has an awful voice

I agree on a surface level with her but of it's such a constant issue and you never really apologized for past shit you've done people have every right to dunk on you and be cynical. As a chuuba, you don't get to control the narrative.

>>62219119
No one can escape their past, Enna.

It’s ironic how the people who whine about le dramatubers often never watched any. At least False reports about the good and the bad or plain news. Even passively advertising vtuber merch, even from NijiEN.
It just so happens that, surprise surprise, Nijisanji or Anycolor do lots of questionable shit and they get rightfully called out for it.
Aia whining about bad news was fucking hilarious. She clearly knew shit shoot what was going on and just blindly defended her company.

>>62219255
>from people's past
I hate Enna without knowing a single thing she said or did prior to being in Nijisanji.

>>62244940
sure he does, that's why 99% of the time he puts the bad news in the headline and then his viewers ignore everything else. and he tries to make good neews or neutral ones into negative.

>>62227656
Maybe, but I also think it's just standard practice at Nijisanji to only have good, experienced and properly trained managers for top talents while everyone else gets clueless interns.
That seemed to be the case for JP at least

>>62245803
NIJISEETHE

>>62219119
This bitch can be a whore for all I care, but she'd be watchable if only she stopped ruining muh immersion.

>>62245803
It's modern journalism, every newspaper does it, so what's your point

>>62221617
>>62222651
>>62224223
>>62224782
>>62228805
>>62230711
>>62236930
>>62230767
>>62231827
>>62237375
so when is 4chan going to do SOMETHING against her

>>62247152
Not your personal army and she'll ruin her career herself anyway.

>>62247184
This is not about apersonmal army
no vtuber should get away with this kind of shit
rushia didn't so why she can?

>>62247260
Rushia did GFE and people held her to a certain standard. Enna is an EN. EN fans have standards below sea level. And even then, this is NijiEN, so the standards fall even lower.

I hate Enna for killing my gacha game.

>>62247331
qrd?

>>62247371
The character that I've been waiting for since her release in CN just got released in global.

And suddenly it was announced that she will be REMOVED from the CN server tomorrow.
Some copes that it's probably CN only and global won't be affected at all.
Sure... I have snake oil for sale.

Oh hey, who is this vtuber that they just sponsored ?
https://twitter.com/PathtoNowhereEN/status/1722451442903179448

>>62248234
Kek. Everything she touches turns to shit. Well, luckily, it is just gacha shit.

>>62248348
You're talking like as if most of new non gacha games aren't shitty.
At least I don't need to install Spyware 10 or 11 to play most gacha game.

In any case, fuck Enna!

>>62248234
jesas
glad i quitted the game after the museum event then
stay strong ptnbro

>>62247260
Rushia got away with having a bf. She didn't get away with leaking company secrets to a dramatuber.

>>62247325
The only standard that they might have is just double standard.

>>62223908
My knees are fucking shattered

>>62219119
I hate that lefty keyboard.

>>62237659
>>62237397
welcome to nijisanji hiring practices, where trival concerns like "does the voice fit the model" or "does the streamer's content transfer well to a vtuber setting" are discarded in favour of "how many subs does she have?"

>>62219119
>wants all of the benefits with NONE of the consequences of her past actions
Fucking whore (derogatory)
>I was nice before!!! trust me!!!
We remember Enna. We don't forget.

>>62247152
Never. It's far more entertaining that she's a lolcow and watching her fuck everything up from afar.
She's the type to destroy all of her relationships out of spite.
The only way I see us doing anything different other than laughing at her and calling her the cuntiest chuuba is if she does something fucking AWFUL, like criminal tier to some chuuba we love and then I see a few anons losing their shit and taking matters into their own hands.

>>62237768
She's asian you fucking retard.

I don't care about any "awful shit she's said in the past" because I'm that sounds gay. What I do care about is what she's left unsaid. To be more specific, why she no longer jokes about being a virgin. Last time she mentioned being a virgin was in July. She needs to address this.

>>62228751
>nina pov
>This fucking bitch that's been ostracizing me is a fucking nonce unironically and has the managers in her pocket? I need to gtfo of this black company.

>>62260057
Well that's because she was lying. She wasn't a virgin when she joined niji and she just got bored of posting about her virginity status and she got laid again with one of the nijiboys

>>62228751
Actual Paedophile admitting to it with cp. Fucking nonce

>>62260186
30 yo Asian Canadian virgin? Santa is more realistic than that

It just feels like Enna came from an environment where no one has ever called out her bullshit and she has never been punished or properly chastised for being mean. Enna is 100% spoiled brat.

>>62248234
God, I hate this uncanny K-art anime realism style.

>>62219119
Enna has to be the closest thing I've ever seen to a proper Vtuber Villain
Sure, some people have done demonstrably worse shit than her, like sexually harass someone or Grom minors, but no one has ever hit such a mix of popularity, grating voice, horrid personality, and lack of accountability. It's brilliant in a way.
Also why the fuck is this girl so popular with female viewers? I would think if my autistic ass can see how insufferable she is then girls that have social awareness would be even more able to see her shitty attitude for what it is.

>>62262328
Women all hate each other and everyone, she's living their dream by openly shitting on everyone (especially women)

She's like Ramona Flowers for her archetype ("Fucking Bitch")

>>62262328
She's popular with people who are the same as her

Remember when she pretended to be a "virgin" but then abruptly stopped mentioning her virginity after an offline meetup with the guys?

>>62262376
Sounds like /vt/

>>62263758
hot

>>62228213
Vshojo already has Froot. In the past, they had Froot and Nyanners at the same time.
You really think it can get worse?

>>62262328
shes popular for the younger viewers like students to young adults coz her humor is the same as them. literally just depressed jokes which struggling college students can relate to

>>62264083
Hi ant

>>62237986
the most powerful race in the world

>>62219119
Just boycott everything that Niji will sell relating to Enna. Make her paycheck hurt to punish her.

>>62219119
You can't just be a bitch 80% of the time and expect people to put you together with the loveable ones just because you decided to "change" one day

>>62219119
Also dont forget! Kyo and Enna stereotype besties! Wish these two will be terminated by Niji. Maybe then, the company will go up. Dont want deadweight in the company that only brings drama

>>62263249
So basically chinese and woman?

Enna lied about her boyfriend

https://streamable.com/52f2jr

massive man at it again

>>62268502
I don't even care about her lying here. Why is a vtuber talking about having a previous boyfriends? Why is her voice like a tranny's? And of course, she is a liar too. What a disgusting creature. Westernized Asians are the worst.

>>62228258
No one helped small corpos more last year than holoen just giving up and nijien setting themselves on fire.

>>62264192
rentfree

>>62269628
yeah, froot lives rent free in your head

>>62259974
Far too westernised to count as one.

Enna just keeps digging that hole deeper

>>62219119
who cares?

>>62277411
Approx. 100 posters itt

>>62219119
Hasn't it cross her mind to fucking APOLOGIZE? and than move on?

Out of all the shit ennaschizo has archived the funniest by far was the one where she called that dude a "bear simp" KEK what a cunt

>>62278290
she seems like the type of person who wants to get a pat on the back for apologizing rather than actually having remorse

>Sometimes you guys need to let go
KEK what happened with the voicepacks of Kyo and her? did they actually cuck their fans? or wtf was the "special" thing on their packs?

>>62277411
Apparently you retard.

>>62219119
>NOTHING HAPPENED IN MY N-years ON NIJIEN
literal CCP move
why are chinks like this?? you can't just hide the the sun with your hands nor tanks crushing people on 1989 tiananmen square

>>62219119
Is this why Luca is so hellbent on harassing the new wave? to lower their status and not light a flare at the current state of NijiEN?

>>62259861
criminal tier? see >>62228751

>>62228751
god this was so fucking weird

>>62234608
retardchama, I've heard of someone's crusade against Nijisanji after almost having their career killed. I'm very sure they even admitted to the bias too. So, nijifag, it's a GG

>>62225967
karma for What exactly?

>>62237397
>>62229689
yet she's the best singer in either company

why does she sound like a south park character

>>62280255
Now that you mention it she does kinda remind me of this guy

>>62219119
God why can't this useless whore just get hit by a bus or something. She ruins nijien from the inside, shits all over everyone and everything constantly, then expects people to forget about it and move on if she decides to be slightly nicer? nah bitch, that's not happening

>>62280122
Lol, lmao

>>62280435
spoken like someone who's never heard her

>>62280122
AND OTHER HILARIOUS JOKES NIJINIGGERS TELL THEMSELVES

>>62280122
the bar must not be very high at niji

>>62284497
Well they're in theory not supposed to do it, the company started as just entertainers but the market eventually pushed them towards activities like songs and concerts, some are good at it some not, the whole point of hiring Enna and Reimu was that both were singers (And Elira vouched for Enna)

10

>>62288759
Why bump this?

>>62288801
Cuz

>>62294692
I don't mind. I hate Enna so anything more to insult her is fine, but you do you I guess.

>>62219119
All this started with that period blood "joke" on her debut. First if many red flags

>>62280122
Nice joke anon

>>62280075
Kiara doesn't openly hate black people, so it's karma for that, I guess.

>>62279453
luca just wants to offpako as many girls as he can. if he spoke japanese he'd be dumb enough to try with them too

>>62230314
ALL OUT WAR LMAO

>>62219119
aloukeks never cease to amaze me

>>62228751
>https://streamable.com/2qgth0
What the hell kind of picture was it to elicit those reactions?

>>62305126
she had genuine cp and thought it would be a good idea to show other people

>>62308854
No way.

>>62299603
>if he spoke japanese he'd be dumb enough to try with them too
I genuinely wish he did, because fucking with the JPs is the only way he'd ever be tardwdangled.

>>62280824
I've heard her plenty, she can't sing for shit. I guess as far as vtubers go she's decent, but I've heard way better. Beryl and Moona immediately come to mind.

>>62280122
She's the most overrated singer in either company.

>>62240015
>sjws
>don't care
choose one

Can't believe I used to watch this bitch. I don't remember her being quite this bitchy around her debut

>>62220272
It's both the same thing, people grow, and reasonable people get over grudges. It's about forgiveness anon. Both twitch SJWs and antis can't get over something someone did a decade ago. I don't don't know how long Enna has been around but I'm not specifically talking about Enna.

>>62228307
Moonman killing chinks

>>62229160
>for over a decade
Exactly. Just because it isn't "new" and they've been doing it for over a decade doesn't make it any better. It's even more pathetic that there are people that stick around for that long without growing up and moving on.

>>62219119
She sounds so bitter and petty as she's basically saying she doesn't want her actions to have consequences and complaining people actually remember what she has said and done. She does this without irony or shame.
This really encapsulates so many of the worst traits in women.

>>62310875
She wasn't.
Whatever happened behind-the-scenes at the concert cancellation caused all of the current drama and subsequent graduations.
The sooner upper management fires that fucktard Noor, the better.
Maybe they image of NijiEN could be saved.
But given the mess that is ID and KR, they clearly don't give a fuck.
The fact Nijisanji even made it at all with that dogshit management is a fucking miracle.
Clearly the cracks are forming because even their long-time talents hardly stream or quit in JP as well.