/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

orders from tempus

She was rushing to collab with Tempus and going as far as to have a meltdown on twitter about it. There's no excuses, she wishes she were in Vshojo with her new crush.

What do you mean? She was in a discord call while Irys, bijou and Nerissa were playing splatoon

>>61163001
Imagine unironically watching a snoozetoon stream.

>>61163001
i mean on her streams anon.. not some obscure info, for fuck sake you have 5 new girls to shill and make friends

>>61162891
she loves cock and impure whores that is why she is staying away from advent

>>61163078
Eh the better way to make real friends is off stream imho. Become real friends first before you stream together.

>>61163800
for vtubers that work in the same corpo is a stupid take... look in the past of en and jp you don't need to be "real" friends to interact and shill them... friendship comes along the way anon

>>61162891
She doesn't care about Hololive

>>61163938
Wait are you more interested in them streaming and be friends or having her shill and push them? Kinda lame if that’s the case, forced engagement is dumb

>>61164256
so it's like an indie that lives in her on bubble? anon advent was shilled by myth... even advent shilled dev_is

>>61163514
>Kronii
>Being sexually interested in males

>>61162891
>Collabbegging

would require effort and has no upside for her

>>61162973
>as far as to have a meltdown on twitter about it.
No
>>61164504
This

>>61162891
Collab begging is bad even IN Hololive, faggot. Fuck off with this Senpai-Kohai excuse. That shit is toxic in an industry where chemistry is important.

>>61162891
>Bitching about kronii ignoring advent
Why do you tards do that when kronii removing herself preemptively from advent collabs is a good thing?

>>61164444
women can have cocks you know
it is 2023 you chud

>>61163800
How do you think the others did it? Obviously they already were part of the company for a long time before actually streaming, they didn’t just start out of the blue. Kronii is just too lazy and doesn’t care about anything but tempus cock

>>61164584
Kek

>>61162891
my head canon is that she can't relate with any of the advent members. She's found comfort in collabing with the ID mems and she's just going to role with whatever comforts her.

>>61162891
What behavior?, she's like most of Myth and is on her way out, either complete graduation or changing companies to have more "freedom".

The Tempus saga showed her how fucking retarded she is, but like any woman, she's blaming the community, the industry and the hobby itself instead of accepting her responsibility for the fuck up, and now she's extremely salty and want to go out.

>>61164587
>No male collabs since may, even before the graduated duo went on hiatus
>Two 1 on 1 collabs with girls just last week
This poor anon is traumatized

>>61164704
>wow she didn’t collab with the two men she lusted over after they were terminated, I wonder why

>>61164690
>An actual unironic schizo with a complete made up narrative in his mind
Sugoi

>>61164760
Actions speak louder than words, but go ahead and tell me what other reason Kronii would have to behave like this, willing to collab with Tempus ASAP while completely ignoring Advent.

>>61164415
Eh if you want that forced stuff Niji has an engagement quota for tweets and stuff if that’s what you are into. I want genuine chemistry, not fake unity bs

>>61164759
I love how people say this when Kronii is obviously the biggest bull dyke online

>>61164870
give me one example

>>61164870
Ok, why?

>>61164827
>forced
anon you didn't work in a corpo before? i made friends and shilled ppl that where just coworkers, you need to go over your way to shadow new workers that work in the same department that you do

>>61164803
You're going to eat those words buddy.

why are schizos so dumb and boring now?

>>61162891
She is very conscious of you retards constantly sperging about her and does not want to burden the new girls with your bullshit.

>>61164587
>doesn’t care about anything but tempus cock
>hasn't organized a collab with them for over a year
She has amazing restraint

>Lesbian
>Wants Tempus cock
Pick a rrat already.

Why hasn't she interacted with Tempus Wave 2?

>>61165842
She could be genderfluid anon, don't be a bigot by assuming that her sexuality and gender-identity cannot fluctuate or can be neatly classified to fit some oppressive and archaic heteronormative framework

>>61165917
Not even Mori collabed with them which is bizarre.

>>61166045
Shut up.

>>61165917
t.unicorn here, i will never understand this... i mean why not collab with them, i fell sorry for them to be honest

>>61165563
>WOW I CANT BELIEVE SHE HASNT COLLABED WITH THEM AFTER THEY LITERALLY HAVE BEEN EXTERMINATED TAKE THAT CHUDS

>Kronii hates Advent
>Reine hates Advent
Nice, they must be fucking each other too hard to think about anyone else

>>61166117
Mr. Jap, unlike his inept predecessor, actually spent time to explain to Holo members how dumb of an idea it was.

>>61163514
Nah if that was the case she would have jumped at the chance to Collab with Nerissa.

>>61162891
anon what the fuck is an advent? did you join a religious cult?

>>61164915
>>61165002
do your reps

>>61166212
That wouldn't surprise me from Kronii

>>61166239
>AND ALSO BEFORE THEY WERE EXTERMINATED
>I AM NOT GOOD WITH DATES AND TIMES

>>61166117
It's probably likely that after magni and vesper left, everyone agreed that opposite gender collabing isn't worth it for both sides. Not in a malicious sense but more so in a mutual understanding. They probably still communicate in discord for mundane things, probably. That or management is banning it to avoid controversies, even having mori to stop doing it. This is just my own speculation of course and I'm absolutely pulling this out of my ass

>>61166827
>heh, it’s so obvious
Ok, how?
>d-do your reps
I accept your concession

>>61162891
she's still mourning please understand

>>61163800
You know if you wanna use that logic then people can claim Vesper and Kronii are still close and just playing outside of the public's view?
>>61163001
Also to clarify this since a lot of times people use this as a defense but you realize Kronii was only in call and might have been there just to watch Irys right? Has her or any Advent member mentioned about talking or playing together on their own since this splatoon one from way early on debut week?

>>61162891
Nerissa said she loves idol culture on her debut. Kronii took that as a sign that she was being mocked.

>>61167660
>even having mori to stop doing it.
Mori collabed with a guy only a week ago you dumb fuck.

>>61164665
Meanwhile Kiara can collab with Biboo, Narissa and ID just fine

>>61164256
pretending most people even know what they want is dumb

Oh boy a schizo and/or Niji deflection thread

>>61168222
JP homos don't count

>>61168222
I was talking about EN stars, silly goose. She probably can collab with JP stars as much as she wants, as well as the other JP girls that are open to it

I wish she would graduate she's been visibly unhappy ever since unicorns ruined her life

>>61162891
She's just here for a paycheck. Couldn't give a shit less about hololive.

>>61164665
>whatever comforts her.
Men

>>61165842
She's just a whore. Will take anything she can get.

Has the thought ever passed that maybe the boys don't want to collab with the girls? Magni and Vesper did it to spite the haters but Altare and Axel at least try to keep it tame.

This isn't about collab begging and unicorning anymore. Its segregation. The EN women think themselves too highly to be bothered with a branch with the opposite gender. Advent too is falling into this sexism.

HoloEN was a mistake.

>>61166229
>>61165917
Just because you collab with one or two, doesn't mean you're required to be friendly with everyone.

She should stay as far away from Advent as possible. She's scum. Here is her unarchived member stream.
https://gofile.io/d/R1DyMT
Now imagine doing this and then immediately turning around and deciding to side with the people attacking your fans.

>>61162891
Shut up, dude. If you like a streamer, why do you care if they shill for other streamers? You're almost as bad as the dudes that hate men, yet SC and comment "collab with tempus when?" just so they can post the response clips and farm threads on here. Bunch of retards, all of you. Let her collab with anyone and talk about anyone. You can stfu in the mean time, and after too. Just never speak or share your thoughts on anything ever.

$5 says OP is the same faggot who says Shiori is only two weeks away from her first Tempus collab all the time as well.

>>61169587
Thank you for reminding me this place isn't entirely populated by schizos,

>>61165917
>>61166117
Because none of them has the size of vesper. Mori, Ame and Kronii maybe whores, but that doesn't mean they will open their legs to anyone.

>>61169767
Shiori got suspended for trying to collab with males. You didn't actually think the family stuff was real, right?

based Kronii hate thread. i'll continue making up rrats to discredit this bitch. should have graduated with Vesper

Is it just me or does Kronii's proportions look awkward when translated to 3D? Doesn't look natural with the huge tits, stick-thin frame and overly long legs.

>>61170034
desu

>>61164690
She didn't blame anyone. But if she had, she would be right. Holobronies are a garbage fanbase

>>61169175
You don't know what that word means

>>61169510
Based

>>61162891
after Tempus healed her depression and broke her heart, she swore to never again care about the new hires of HoloEN

>>61169510

>>61170328
She literally is on multiple records saying 'because idol culture is a thing'.

>>61169510
based
>>61170630
sisters seething again

>>61170630
Can't even make a proper screenshot, pathetic.

>>61170630
Can't read this fucking shit. Who made this?
Kronii?

>>61162891
>I just don't understand,
What you don't understand about women not being capable of having a healthy professional relationship with their colleagues without gossip, catty behavior and pettiness?

>>61170737
What is? Give the full context or shut up.

>>61162891
Everytime there's a Kronii pic post I imagine the entire thread in her voice

>>61170467
Shut up whore

https://streamable.com/ymhqc4
We should do this but Vesperonii

>>61162891
she is still mad about the males, i forgot their names

>>61164690
I think the promise unit means those girls have contracts for at least 2 years from now

The kronii anti has devolved to collab begging. The absolute state of things. Time to find a new target to deflect to already.

>>61165917
Dont you guys get it? Mori kroni were trying to chill their two personal friends. The selection process is full of nepotism like sana and ina or irys and reine

>>61176104
Yes, the ONE SINGULAR kronii anti.
Just like how there’s only one person complaining about Gura not streaming

>>61164110
No shit, Sherlock. We have girls like Mori that also give zero fucks about Hololive, but at least she made the effort to leech off Advent

>rushes to collab with Tempus, so desperate for those collabs she called management and the twitter horde to attack her own fans over it
>does work for Vshojo instead of streaming
>Never collabs with JP ever
>Didnt know weather hackers or Ahoy!
>Zero interest in new EN members
it's not even a rrat anymore, just a clearly observable set of facts

>>61177482
>didn’t know Ahoy!
??? There’s no way that’s true

>>61164444
How dare you waste those quads on saying something so fucking retarded

>>61162973
>her new crush
wait what

>>61164665
>role with
>>61168262
>Narissa
It's not even funny anymore

>>61177657
she thought Ahoy was a One Piece song when mumei played the song through music notes in minecraft.

>>61169451
> The EN women think themselves too highly to be bothered with a branch with the opposite gender. Advent too is falling into this sexism.

Thank god for that

>>61169925
Source: your ass

>>61177482
>Never collabs with JP ever
https://www.youtube.com/live/WRjkpz78saU?si=vTDLoxcK8h2UVxoG

???

If I were a talent in hololive I'd literally just ignore all opinions and posts on this board and write you all off as fucking lunatics probably

>>61178646
Wise decision

>>61177482
>horde to attack her own fans over it
They were antis, and they weren't attacked. They just told them to leave her alone

>>61169055
>unicorns made her uproot her fanbase more than a year after it was established
Lmao

>>61178844
you have to go back

>>61162891
Its just holoEN in general.
Holo jp has the excuses of having more than 30 members and even then they all mentionned regloss and atleast one members from every gen has collabed with them except gen4.
HoloID always collab together and sometime crash at each others houses.
Then we have holoEN where the top of streamer of the branch hasnt collabed with them yet and some members like Ame who where quick to make a tournament for Tempus are no where to be seen.
The community sense in holoEN is garbage.
They're is only 15 members how hard it is to do thing together.
Most of the time its Promise and Advent doing their own thing and Myth collabing with the latter and by myth I mean Kiara and Mori

>>61164444
>he doest know about vesper
roru

>>61169055
she ruined her own life and career
unicorns saved her from her shitty life and the second she moved into her own place she turned on them

>>61169055
>>61179714
qrd?

>>61179618
>organize dozens of collabs
>nobody cares
>organize one tourney with tempus
>get retarded posts like this made
Truly a thankless existence

>>61178161
She was part on Kuro/Mysta debut stream on Vshojo

>>61179784
She enjoyed streaming and seemed to be connecting with her chat up to the tempus business and after that she has seemed more distant and less trusting and open.
The relationship has slightly improved since then but has yet to get back to the level it was at.

>>61169055
She's the happiest she's been since she joined Hololive.

>>61180083
Thanks. I'm a newfag to hololive, so forgive me for asking to be spoonfed.

What was the Tempus bussiness? Was It about her and Mori collabing with men? I did see some monopoly streams, but I don't know their fanbases enough. Where they angry about that? The EN branch always struck me as more permisive I'd like to know If there's more to it than just "idol culture", whatever that really means.

>>61178402
What the actual fuck

It's just a matter of when, not if, biboo is able to schedule something out with kronii, biboo seems to be leading the scheduling on most of these outside Advent collabs and does the most of them by far

>>61180452
IIRC basically that but it was made worse by how she initially took the time to try to understand the complaints and said she wouldn't do certain things like have collabs be on her channel and such but then changed her mind and said fuck all that, I'll do whatever.

>>61180452
for Mori it's a whole can of worms that I'll let other anons talk about, but for Kronii, it was moreso
>collab with males
>get backlash from quite a few of her fans
>responded really badly to them (basically seen as disrespecting the fans)
there's a lot more to the sequence of events for this third point, but they're quite hung up on her not respecting her fans with statements she made during that period of time

>>61181246
And then proceeded to not do things like have collabs on her channel.

>"O M G sister! Kronii has like not interacted with Advent on stream! She like totally hates them!"
This thread absolutely reeks of gossiping women

>>61181246
>>61181396

So It's more about her fans feeling she betrayed their trust. Does COVER not manage their talents' social media to account for incidents like this?

I'm guessing they manage their international branches differently than their JP one.

>>61181672
Largely no, each account is run by the talents themselves, except for very rare exceptions and circumstances.

>>61181672
>>61181960
although iirc EN management did double down on Kronii's response after that

>>61182039
Correct, they did. I was speaking more generally when I said the management didn’t typically oversee things actively.

>>61162891
I wish Narissa was Kronii

>>61170630
I just watched the members stream for the first time, and observing Kronii and her chat, Kronii was very sympathetic to the unicorns even if she disagreed with them, while the chat was much less charitable. At this time the stance was that collabs would happen but the unicorns would be able to ignore this. In her own words at around the 29 minute mark "I'm not gonna initiate the collabs, nor am I gonna interact with them in public, maybe drop by the stream and go like 'Oh hey, nice'. but like not really Twitter [...] I won't really stream my perspective, I will join collabs though." Anyway at this point I can see where someone could feel betrayed by how events happened. It seemed like clear and fair boundaries were made but were disregarded pretty quick.

In the middle, there's some issue about how the schedule that would have alerted people of the male collab was delayed to manipulate people but I think it's pretty irrelevant.

Stuff kind of starts to change around the hour-twenty mark, however, when the chat starts talking about how ID doesn't get any flack and it goes way better over there by telling people to fuck off. Kronii says "That's so mean! (laughing) No (serious) that's interesting". About 15 minutes later she reads an excerpt from a book that basically says that the amount of care put into the relationship will eventually make it worse because they will worry about the relationship instead of enjoying the relationship, which is what the people who are so distraught at male collabs are doing. She then reiterates her position that she has nothing to be sorry about but she understands. But that's basically it from the members stream.

I am however missing the actual superchats and comments which does not allow me to understand how unreasonable the chatters were being. I am also missing the actual data on how many people are against male collabs.

My own personal conclusion is that I think Kronii is pretty compassionate but probably is very uncomfortable with fans infighting, and wanted her fans to get along. However, it seemed to be that the conflict is personal and a side has to be chosen. Those who were against collabs seemed to be the smaller side, so they were out, and the bridge was burned. I sympathize with her being put in a tough situation, but she switched up in one of the worst ways possible which I think was callous, at least compared to how she was in the members stream. It's been a year since and I will consider watching her if she's live and others I'd rather watch aren't, but I won't let her actions dictate how I feel, which is what she wants at the end of the day.

>>61179629
>vesper
>male

>>61182039
>>61182138
So management supported Kronii's decision of collabing with males even though some viewers were against It?

>>61182272
So It seems she considered a middle-ground. Thanks for the thorough breakdown btw.

>>61181473
she doesnt hate them, she just doesnt care, the same way she has never cared about hololive in general.
It's just that the fact she doesnt care lays bare how strange it was that she was so desperately eager to collab with tempus.
She's clearly not that hugely interested in collabing with new hololive members, so it makes it more obvious it was entirely her acting in bad faith from the start

>>61181246
>>61182272

She did exactly what she promised in that stream, which is never initiate a collab with them. She was invited to many collabs after that but nothing on her own channel.

So I don't see how thats betrayal

Still the hate comments everyday got to her and she became bullied into submission

>>61182777
Management doesn’t typically override a talent’s decision unless it’s actively dangerous or a very significant threat to her career. Think of Kronii what you will, but she still has fans and something of a community left, and management knew that the majority of fans would stick with her, so they let it happen.

>>61164915
Watch fucking any Council(Promise) collab, she flirts with all of them frequently
whatever, heres a...CLIP since your that lazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os4RiKKTX1o

>>61179461
Not an argument

>>61179629
Do you have proof of anything or it's just your cuckold fantasies?

>>61183085
> nothing on her own channel.
The fuck are you talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVY3Nhc7904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WCUqrsTcHM
she went back on everything she said out of spite

>>61179714
No they didn't. They are a minority

>>61183634
>whales are a minority
no shit sherlock, great fucking argument genius

>>61183634
i may be wrong but so I think the number of unicorns are greater than the number of homobeggers for sure, but the vast majority of viewers just wanna watch and don't have a preference either way about collabs of that nature, who gives the most money is a different matter

>>61183249
I see. I'm trying to understand how COVER's structure works as a company. I'm not against Kronni's decision. If anything, I'm empathetic about what she might have to deal with as a major Vtuber.

Is there an official statement on this? Perhaps a social media post? Or Is their support is implict by not objecting?

>>61162891
Fear.

>>61183931
Kronii’s tweets from back then are probably still there, and the company itself put this statement out: https://twitter.com/hololivepro_EN/status/1571745933754503168

I don't care about any of this shit and you're all a bunch of faggots.

>>61181246
Why do unicorns keep whining about this? She agreed to try to understand, she never agreed to forgo male collabs.
And you couldn't explain convincingly why male collabs are bad.

>>61181396
>responded really badly to them (basically seen as disrespecting the fans)
False. Prove it.

>>61181672
>So It's more about her fans feeling she betrayed their trust
It's only a minority of mentally ill people. Most fans supported Kronii all the time

if you truly didn't care about any of this then you would have ignored this thread instead of posting, retard.

>>61184084
Move along then

>>61184150
yes we could, we explained it'd bring in shitty people, which it did, you cant tell because you're one of them

>>61184150
And now no one can convincingly explain why they should watch Kronii’s content and buy her merch

>>61184150
>And you couldn't explain convincingly why male collabs are bad.
conviced Advent, that's for fucking sure. They've been making it EXTREMELY clear they wont repeat Kronii's actions

>>61184483
Don’t let the sisters hear this, apparently Shiori’s constantly just a week away from a Tempiss collab

>>61184278
>>61184280
This thread only exists because you all need to be reminded this shit doesn't matter.

>>61184058
That's very helpful anon, thank you.

>>61184265
I didn't mean to imply all of her fans were against her decision. I'd like to know what is the ratio of people for and against, and how that weight in on Kronni's and cover's decision. Judging by the post referenced above, It wasn't the majority, and therefore not worth reversing course.

>>61184698
>I'd like to know what is the ratio of people for and against, and how that weight in on Kronni's and cover's decision.
It's less a function of the total population and more a function of the paypig population. Most people don't shower vtubers in money. The people who do shower them with money are paypigs and paypigs are the ones that are going to vocally reject things they don't like. They don't like collabs with males. First they let you know they don't like it, then they stop paying. That's pretty much the long and the short of it. Anything else is bullshit.

>>61183029
>she doesnt hate them, she just doesnt care, the same way she has never cared about hololive in general.
Nothing wrong with that. Caring about corporations is for bootlickers
>It's just that the fact she doesnt care lays bare how strange it was that she was so desperately eager to collab with tempus.
>Male collabs are le bad because.... They just are, ok.
> it was entirely her acting in bad faith from the start
Nonsense. She never acted in bad faith

>>61183085
>Still the hate comments everyday got to her and she became bullied into submission
False.

>>61185179
You cant come up with a reason why they're so overwhelmingly good that she had to do it even when part of her community was against it. Why was collabing with them so much more important than collabing with advent?
you strawman because you know you have no argument, you're just avoiding the obvious truth that she did it out of spite, that's what she was excited for

>>61183599
It was because you don't make any sense.
>out of spite
Prove it.

>>61183748
I accept your concession

>>61184948
So in this case, the vocal minority rejected male collabs. If they stopped donating, It didn't affect the bottom line enough. Or that's what It seems at least from the outside. Things could be different internally of course.

>>61185851
substitute “actual paying fans” for “vocal minority” and you’ve figured it out :)

>>61169587
oh yea here comes the YES knight, sometimes you make me think that you are really the problem in denigrating hobbies, why are you here if you don't like to hear criticism? why don't you stay on reddit between YES knights

>>61185629
>she didnt put collabs on her channel just as promised
>Yes she did here is proof
>move the goalposts
You're incapable of behaving honestly, just like her

>>61181396
The problem is instead of going with solution she was handed to on a silver platter where almost everyone was happy, Kronii listened to Mori and her retarded 'own the haters' rhetoric' which Mori only gets away with because she's got an army of cucks ready to defend anything she does. Kronii's fanbase wasn't like that so she never recovered.

>>61183599
>one stream on her channel over a year ago
>nothing else except that one time mori had her host it for whatever reason
Yes, flagrant examples.
Clearly a pattern.

>>61187042
Yeah this thread skipped over the part where between presenting a reasonable compromise and stabbing her gachis in the back she had a long visit and spa trip with Mori

>>61186787
nta but you are the one making claims here.
It's on you to prove them.

>>61187181
Cause at the end of the day it was her choice?

>>61187290
why are you asking me a question?
post your tits

>>61187228
retard

>>61187340
really proving your point there bud

>>61162891
It's called apathy. Happens to people at work when they lose control of their plans for their career. You just check out mentally and do the bare minimum to not get fired. Oh there's new coworkers, ok cool.

>>61164444
She literally talked about meeting a dude at the airport and getting his number on stream

>>61184058
Adding on,
She sent this tweet (I think she was getting her wisdom teeth removed too):
https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1566331284850298880
and then 15 minutes later she sent this, the tweet that people point that caused problems: https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1566335859783536645
Which after a two week break she sent out this: https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1571744796817100801
And that's when holo-en follows up

>>61184416
That's not a valid explanation you fucking creating. Explain logically and in detail how it will bring "shitty people"

>>61184483
Nobody gives a shit

>>61184698
I believe the unicorn's argument isn't that they're a majority in terms of the number of people who watch a Kronii stream every now and then, but they are the one's who care about her the most, as represented by their superchat spending.

wait what? i thought she collabed with biboo or like nersissa
or am i just linking biboo and kronii because of kaela?

>>61190238
I love how many of you retards angrily run in to tell people how much you dont care lmao

>>61190338
You're right. I could've worded that better. Regardless, seems like she went ahead with collabs anyway.
I'm speculating, but could It be that cover are not that strict when It comes to the behavior of the girls despite engaging in Idol-like bussines practices?

>>61185481
>You cant come up with a reason why they're so overwhelmingly good that she had to do it
I don't have to. She wanted to them, that's reason enough, you failed to convince
>even when part of her community was against it.
Yeah, the controlling mysoginist part, good riddance

>you strawman
You don't know what that word means. Show me the strawman
> obvious truth that she did it out of spite, that's what she was excited for
Still no proof. "It's just obvious". Lmao

>>61186048
>Only paypigs are fans.

>>61186420
He's 100% right. You are a bitter anti.

>>61186787
I'm not the same guy. Prove she did it out of spite. You steaming piece of shit

>>61187042
There isn't any reason to believe it was done to own the haters

>>61187181
They never presented themselves as gschikois. They were deceitful.
And a tweet is hardly a "stab in the back"

>>61187337
not an argument.

>>61166408
>still peddling the "OMEGA RUINED HOLOLIVE JAP IS OUR SAVIOR" rrat
holy mindbroken

>>61189509
That doesn't mean anything

>>61190958
This is correct, that’s why they don’t so much call themselves an idol company as they call themselves an entertainment company (even if they do tend to be idol-adjacent).

>>61189986
They are pretty reasonable

>>61162891
jealousy

>>61162891
She's bitter that half her remaining fanbase went to advent because they were sick of her shit and so she's respecting our space because she's seething about it

>>61185481
>she had to do it even when part of her community was against it
If she didn't do anything part of the community was against she would have a blank channel and would have never debuted.

>>61189509
you mean the one who asked for her number when she was just trying to make a friend on the flight? yeah typical male incel behavior

>>61192237
Have they changed their wording over time?
I've seen a clip of Yagoo comparing Hololive to AKB48. Also In the free preview for their US concert "Connect The World" Amelia says verbatim: "I'm not just a streamer, I'm an Idol!"

>>61162891
It's weird because Nerissa has already tried a few times to interact with her but she barely (if ever) responds.

>>61191497
>You don't know what that word means. Show me the strawman
>Male collabs are le bad because.... They just are, ok.
This is literally a strawman, I pointed out the difference between her reaction to tempus and her reaction to advent and you lost your shit and you've been acting like a seething retard since. You're probably going to continue being a retard and claim posting words I didnt said to make an argument I didnt make ISNT a strawman akshually

>>61192533
Not really, she has stated multiple times that she's more comfortable with a smaller community and she values loyalty over anything else so she's probably doing fine cause the people she recognizes the most are still around

>>61192969
You must take consideration that they were pushing the Homos really hard. It was clear how they were getting preferential treatment compared to the girls and they went above and beyond to shill them. Luckily Omega is long gone now

>>61192969
Having different reactions doesn't prove anything.

>>61192681
Yeah, the plan for Hololive has adapted as they reach new markets and figure out what does/doesn't work. That clip you refer to is years old so it's fair to call it a bit outdated.

>>61192681
Double replying but basically to put it shortly: They tread a line between idols and entertainers, and the different members can branch off to either side of that line as they choose, at least to a degree.

>>61193514
>>61193620
Do you happen to know the original source for the yagoo clip? It seems to be like some sort of panel at a convention but I haven't found It yet.

>>61193514
>>61193620
If you look at their shareholder documents online their plan is to gradually transition from an entertainment company to a branding company, with the lion's share of revenue coming from merch and other licensed use of their talent's images.

>>61170737
She did that once and that was because, she absolutely despises hetshippers.

>>61193838
I can't say I do, unfortunately. It was definitely at a con or an event of some kind, but it was a little before my time in the fanbase started.

>>61193974
Huh. Could be cool to see what deals they go for, and if they'll be doing any of that outside of Japan too.

Isn't it only her and Bae who haven't had a collab with everyone in Advent? Gura was in that propnight collab that had all of advent right? Or did nerissa skip that? And Bae has collabed with all of them except the twins?

Really does make Kronii stand out

I mean it's almost November

>>61177482
>rush to collab
She didn't even acknowledge Tempus when they debuted. She was originally on team no boys, until her irl friends convinced her to do it. Plus, some of her unicorns were pissing her off (not gabe).

>>61178844
Lol, no. They were day 1 members. The people attacking them were just drama tourists who don't even like Kronii.

>>61170737
>multiple records
Literally one misquoted and out of context record
It doesn't surprise me that numbers are challenging for you though.

>>61194302
>originally on team no boys
No she wasn't.
She was always on team "I don't see the fucking big deal"

>>61191568
After doing a dive into hololyzer, my analysis has deemed his hypothesis suspect at best. I tracked 5 dates around the collab drama, all varying levels of time away from the actual collab, and I find barely any difference in superchat numbers, except on the collab day as it could be seen as a special event to some. To further this research you could check differences in numbers on special days in 2022 vs 2023 such as birthdays and anniversaries. Below are the actual numbers

2/10/22: 148,838 yen 54 members 11,317 CCV
7/28/22: 174,411 yen 14 members 9,436 CCV
9/22/22 (Vesper Collab): 345,102 yen 232 members 16,335 CCV
10/26/22: 175,320 yen 39 members
07/11/23: 202,352 yen 72 members 7,504 CCV

>>61165917
Vesper and magni probably groomed the girls into agreeing to do collabs with them so they can leech, while the new talents stay in their lane.

>>61194232
I don't remember Bae collabing with Shiori unless there was an open VC Minecraft I missed, Nerissa wasn't in the GMod collab bc she had a members stream at the time, so Gura, Ina, Mori, and Ame haven't had a collab with Nerissa yet, IRyS hasn't collabed with FWMC yet, Kronii hasn't collabed with anyone in advent yet

>>61178402
Pekora didn't recognize her own fucking BGM played through Minecraft blocks at one point; people still latching onto that moment 2 years are a whole different kind of pathetic.

>>61195003
I was just answering the anon, anon. I don't really care about how Kronii conducts herself.

>>61193974
>>61194066
I did see that document. Revenue from streams seems to have stagnated, but concerts and merch have almost doubled.

>>61194752
Nobody groomed anyone.
mori just wanted to do them and kronii had no reason to turn her down.
If anything vesper and magni were the only ones who would agree while everyone else started avoiding mixed collabs like the plague

>>61183599
>conveniently omitting how Mori being the bumblefuck she was tried to setup a Squad collab with Kronii the week after she got out of surgery and she only postponed it at the eleventh hour after it was apparent from Bae's birthday call-in she sounded like shit and would be in no position to collab any time soon
It's really not a reach to think Kronii was okay hosting that one Uno collab because she felt guilty about making Mori scuttle her original plans even though it was completely out of her hands that her surgery got pushed back a whole week and her recovery was rougher than she thought it would be rather than choosing to host to stick to boogeymen unicorns.

>>61194546
She would of acknowledged their debut, just like Bae, Ame and Mori did. Instead, she was with the other girls who ignore their existence.

>>61195632
Not doing anything is not picking a side, no matter how much you want to believe it.
The only way for them to pick a side would to publicly announce it, like IRyS or Kiara did.

collabs with new members
>LEECH!!!!!!
doesn’t collab with new members
>SHE’S A BITCH
Actual socially stunted gossip fucks, the lot of you

>>61194579
This seems to confirm that most money was coming from people that were either pro collab or indifferent.

Live!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHzBlEa9kGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHzBlEa9kGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHzBlEa9kGU

>>61162891
>“she”
good thread OP

>>61192570
You're pulling that out of your ass, she didn't say anything at all about the guy. If she wasn't interested, she wouldn't have kept his number.

>>61196143
I swear it's like this is the only "game" she ever enjoys playing these days.

>>61167689
>I like my girls cute, like you can protect them

She only cares about Vesper

>>61196447
Not really, but it sure is her comfort game. I wish she played Slime Rancher again, she really loved that one

>>61196692
She said she'll play it again when they add more content

>>61196447
She enjoyed Buddy Sim a lot, I recommend them. She made some fun VA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqEdHjnJdE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6xbevdGB-w

>>61196447
Even the dev included her in official art.

>>61195814
It's better to not say anything.

Kronii should play Frostpunk 2 when it releases

>>61179618
They have bfs to focus on, so they're only in it for the money. They couldn't care less about Hololive, they let the JP carry Hololive so they can hang on and suck on the money that comes out, but they're getting overweight and dragging down Hololive too much with their indifference. Fuck MYTH/Council

>>61197129
Unless I missed something, it was just this meme
https://twitter.com/PowerWashSim/status/1620783573258342402

>>61197414
No one mentioned Suisei so why are you talking about BFs?

>>61197611
booooo

>>61195929
Most money were from gachikois not unicorns. They just support Kronii financially no matter what.

She did lose a lot of paypigs around February 2022 when her computer broke down. Tempus only affected her subscriber growth.

>>61164444
>he actually thinks his chuuba is a dyke

Verification not required

>>61197479
The devs posted a fanart of some streamers that had played Powerwash and Kronii was in it. It was a bit after her first powerwash stream

>>61197479
No, there was an official art that included a lot of different EN streamers. Kronii was the only VTuber.

>>61197812
Oh hey, that was nice of them, good PR too
https://twitter.com/PowerWashSim/status/1517820588500439041

>>61197938
>>61197968
Is Nyanners not a vtuber?

>>61196143
This is some really pathetic number from Kronii

>>61198053
No, she's a fleshstreamer.

>>61197777
Kronii is arguably the most lesbian of the EN girls; she just doesn't feel the need to be the overtly flirty type like Kiara, but she doesn't mind reciprocating when IRyS or Fauna flirt with her.

>>61197968
Yeah, and i think they did it not only because it was good PR but because she really expressed such a love for the game when she streamed it for the first time

>Kronii says she and Mori were just enjoying each other's company
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

>>61198389
>lesbian
Not this cope again. She was all over Vesper back then

>>61198564
Careful, you might break one your acrylic nails typing like that, sis.

I wish I could enjoy a dumb game like Powerwash as much as Kronii does

>>61198564
>Men and women can't interact without being interested in fucking
I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and guess that you don't have a ton of experience with the opposite sex.

>>61197776
I didn't know Gachis were different from unicorns.

>>61196143
Powerwash official outfit when

>>61195927
This. A woman made this thread

>>61179618
This post was spot on for EN
Watching HoloEN gives you the impression that 5 person collabs are near impossible to setup, Promise is their unit with the strongest bond as a group but they have to plan months in advance to set up simple game collabs and even then they have conflicting schedule problems like Bae needing to leave early on their L4D2 stream
Myth is obviously checked out at this point and can't even be considered a unit anymore
We'll see how Advent holds up in the long term

Given how neither JP nor ID have any of these issues it's obviously something wrong with the EN branch, it could be a mismanagement situation or simply the girls being difficult to work with

>>61164665
The Kaela and Kronii collabs are comfy, I can't complain ...

>>61167660
Anon, if that's the case then they wouldn't let them interact in public AT ALL
The fact that Shiori replied to Flayon means that you can kiss that rrat goodbye

>>61168262
>The omega stacy of the branch can just force herself to collab with people as she please
Anon?

>>61179618
>>61200215
>Samefagging because he didn't get many replies

>>61200724
>two anons agreeing 6 hours apart can't happen
>it HAS to be a samefag
ok retard

We should have bullied collab beggars into suicide back on /jp/

>>61201337
The worst collab beggars are all twitterfags though

JOJOS REFERENCE

>>61201423
Yes, and the fact that said twitterfags (like OP) have ever felt comfortable to post here is the issue.

>>61198885
>Kronii isn't interested in fucking Vesper
That's an even bigger cope than the lesbian one. Also exposed you for not watching streams

SHE DID IT

>Kronii likes jarritos
>Mexican soda
Wow she got parasites for sure

>>61200975
they read so fucking similar expect the 2nd one "just doesnt have periods and the last line has an extra empty space" like, its exceedingly obvious

That's honestly not that weird, I think most people think of Swiss Miss and hot water when it comes to hot cocoa anyways.

What kind of person over 20 years old hasn't tried hot chocolate wtf

I like sweet things and I'm not bitter at all

>>61198564
Not at all

>>61201973
It's called writing full sentences retard

>>61202395
Being so defensive about it just makes it more obvious that it was you samefagging anonchama

>>61202395
No, it looks like the same person with the same writing style wrote something, and then thought to themselves that a few minor adjustments would make it seem like two different people, when its shockingly similar. not just format, but HOW it comes across

>>61184150
Kiara already explained it. It's bad for their mental health and it hurts their channel growth.

Or Mumei, who for the second time talked about why she joined Hololive and it was to make friends with other girls.

>>61202465
>>61202672
wow you two agree with each other and have really similar writing styles
must be a samefag

>>61202790
mhmm mhmmm, alrights then, how are they similar?

>>61202715
>Kiara already explained it. It's bad for their mental health and it hurts their channel growth
Yeah, because of unicorns. That's not a valid argument coming from the Unicorn side, it's extorsion
>Or Mumei, who for the second time talked about why she joined Hololive and it was to make friends with other girls
You can have friends of both genders

>>61202790
Oh, also, to add, we both, like most posts on this board, just typed out our thoughts and then hit post, unlike the two posts in questions that have a pretty damn unique formatting

Really considering getting this game now

>Costco

>Food I get excited when talking about food. Food I love food
Kronii is a FAT FUCK

The Vesper 1-on-1 was her idea and on her channel, but it only happened once. Most of her day 1 members who aren't a fan of male collabs (myself included), are still here watching every one of her streams. The drama tourists that were attacking us never gave a fuck about her.

HoloJP and HoloID has no problem supporting Holostars. Only the EN girls stick out like a sore thumb. Sad situation.

>>61187555
That sounds about right.

>>61203642
The ratio of ENs (minus Advent) who have done homo collabs is higher than the ratio of JPs who have done homo collabs, especially when you ignore gens 0/1

>>61201603
Maybe he does watch streams and can see there is zero chemistry there post vesper's menhera arc?
Guy got dropped so fast once she saw he was mentally unstable.

>>61198564
Do your reps, she even laughed at people who thought she was straight, when she told het shippers to fuck-off.

>>61203830
I'm talking about now, not a year ago.

>>61203553
Anon this has been nothing but an ideological battle since day one.
Unicorns don't give a shit about Kronii, they just want to push a narrative about how "collabing with men = death".
When Kronii had a male collab stream announce infinity always jumped to 3-4x the IPs.
Not to mention they keep falseflagging the vesper/kronii shit any time they get the chance.

>>61203830
>The data agrees with me if you ignore large parts of it
ogey

Kronii memorized loli requiem and wil sing it at the next karaoke.

>>61202891
She does have male friends already, she didn't join to make more. All the girls who avoid Tempus have male friends.

>61162891
Any explanation for YOUR behaviour? the fuck is wrong with you?

>>61204382
Tempus didn't even exist for her 1st year, it was a complete non-issue for unicorns. Tempus threatened to (and did) change her content in a dramatic way and that's what scared them. However, they got the last laugh and 3rd year Kronii has gone back to 1st year Kronii content, Magni and Vesper are gone.

>>61206639
And Kronii was never unicorn friendly but they like to retcon everything.
>they got the last laugh and 3rd year Kronii has gone back to 1st year Kronii content
But not first year relationship with chat, which they fucked up irreversibly
>Magni and Vesper are gone.
And unicorns love to pretend it was because of them, not because magni/vesper thought they would make more money outside of hololive

she only collabs with males now sorry

>>61208179
Yeah, me

Mika and Kronii for the next Vshojo in 2024

>>61208179
Didn't know the rest of Promise and some IDs had cocks

>>61203830
>doesn’t understand numbers
As expected. So advent is better than all of jp right since 0 homo collabs, that’s how it works?

>>61162891
Collabbeggars can go fuck themselves

>>61162891
>I just don't understand
you dont really need to

>>61163001
Didnt want the stream so it didnt happen.
thats how /vt/cataloggers does things

>>61164444
He does know, more than you may realize

>>61184150
Unicorns are never satisfied until their oshi actively stays away from even the security guard in the 7Eleven.

>>61162891
kys collab begger

>>61195438
>like the plague
It is.

The antis of that kinda type of collab, that is.

>>61199076
The latter can be thought of as a malevolent mutation of the former.

>>61202891
I agree with you, but *extortion.

Mfs here will jump on you for the smallest things when they dont like what you stand for.

>>61191953
Except the fact that she solved the problem and then Mori entered the picture.

>>61218264
Where you privy to their conversations ?

>>61219049
You don't have to be privy to know Mori gave Kronii shitty advice given the 180 she did was straight out of Mori's playbook.
But unlike Mori, Kronii doesn't have an army of cucks willing to defend whatever inexcusable action she commits.