/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

They don't use the same app, she has to screen capture instead of it being native.

>>60665480
Reimu looks like she's just a flat drawing with no dimensions, can't Niji hire better riggers?

>>60665480
These are pretty average to low numbers to Nerissa. Guess Niji collabs aren't doing much. You'd thing that all these people that cry for unity would all be here watching.

>>60665480
They both look like trash tho

>>60666270
I mean Reimu is one of the least popular Niji girls out there. Even if all of her fans showed up it would be a rounding error for Nerissa who is the runt of Advent. No one really cares about either of them, and I doubt their actual fans really care about the other either.

But I doubt Nerissa did it for numbers.

Just crazy to me that there are still EN members who haven't even collabed with Advent, and they're already collabing with Niji.

>>60666445
Who the fuck is left for her to collab with? The only people in holoen who stream are advent, fauna, bae, and kiara. Kiara/bae are bad timezone wise. Everyone else in holoen is just cashing checks in their cuck fans.

>>60666658
Femoid fingers wrote this post

>>60666270
numberfag wrong thread

>>60666445
>Nerissa who is the runt of Advent
kek

>>60666445
Shiori is the runt with both stream numbers and sub count. Sorry novelcuck.

>>60666912
>Care about subs

>>60666912
>Fuwawa at 300k
>Mococo at 300k
Ruffians...

>>60666995
>brought up runt of advent
>is corrected
>seething that he's wrong

>>60667050
Novelites.. why aren't you subbing? Why is she so far behind them like Sana 2.0?

>>60666995
Nerissa also gets more views than Shiori

>>60666445
shiori is actually the runt retard

>>60667229
Bae and Kiara gets more views than Shiori, and that's saying something

>>60667164
eh, Shiori's behind but that's not as far back as Sana ended up. those are more like the numbers Sana would have had debut week if susan hadn't fucked her up.
at debut all of Council were kicked from the 400ks into the 200ks and Sana was slammed twice into sub-100k which she had to climb up from that whole first week as people realized they'd been forcefully unsubbed. it was pretty BS.

and thankfully Shiori's not cornering her channel's activity into just streams entirely. all of Advent are running a lot more smoothly for sure.

Im convinced anyone calling Nerissa the runt of Advent are novelites, or maybe they just forgot about Shiori entirely as even ignoring subs, Nerissa's shown to get more than her especially in Advent collabs.

>>60666658
Mori?

Oh hey shiori broke 5k

>>60665480
Reimu looks like IRyS 1.0 if she was albino and had Down Syndrome

>>60665480
I understand why Gura is gone if this is the shit she'd have to put up with being there.

>>60669883
this is nothing new???

>>60667903
have you considered that they're shitposters who don't have real opinions on who the "runt" of anything is?

>>60665480
Did they finally fix the back of Nerissa's skull behind her ear?

>>60667903
Who gives a fuck either way?

>>60671289
You, evidently

Nerissa's model is great. It’s one of the very few 2D models that looks like it’s a 3D one.

>>60670154
man i forgot that selen collab even happened i need to rewatch

>>60665480
No anon, having big tits doesn’t make your model objectively better

>>60666445
Nerissa is doing it to get into her pants, shirt, and bed. Simple as that

>>60666820
We're here shitting on them, might as well shit on their numbers too.

>>60665480
Holy shit, Reimu's neck is long

What prompted them getting together, did they know each other prior?

>>60668110
>Mori

>>60673712
>did they know each other prior
yes

>>60673745
grim

>>60673791
>rapist
me

>>60665480
That's comparing one of the weirdest NijiEN models with one of the best HoloEN models.

>>60670615
That's a big head.

>>60665480
Nerissa could turn to the right and knock Reimu out with her boobies

>>60665480
lol

Is the girl on the right supposed to look deformed?

>>60670322
Nah that can't be, only holo hate holo, nijien all out war love holo, amarite sister.

>>60665480
It feels like Reimu has a rigging issue. Niji needs to stop hiring whoever the fuck does this lazy work and move on to someone with better rigging skill.

>>60667050
>>Fuwawa at 300k
>>Mococo at 300k

>>60666972
heres your
>HOLO vs HOLO
sis.

>>60675792
>428K from 460K gap

>>60675935
she's down there with the Niji's...

>>60676046
>Holo vs Holo

>>60675935
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NIJIBROS DON'T LOOK

>>60665480
Now compare Nerissa to any decently-sized indie

>>60677515
>but what about
NIJISEETHE

>>60677603
I just thought it was funny that Holofags are trying to boast their model quality when indies with 20K followers and less have better models

VBridger came out a year and a half ago and I'm willing to bet Holo won't catch up even within the next five years at the rate they're going.
Most of their mouths are still just stretching between open and closed states. Embarrassing.
Indies with free models made in VRoid have better facial tracking than Holo's 3D.

>>60677515
>Now compare Nerissa to any decently-sized indie

>>60677985
>I just thought it was funny
cope and seethe

>>60678052
NTA but you're making yourself look retarded lol. You're comparing shit to dog shit. They both look bad next to any /lig/ger or VShojo.

>>60677603
>>60677985

>DONT TALK ABOUT NIJIEN ANYMORE
> TALK SOMETHING ELSE LIKE INDIES
> HAVE BETTER MODELS THAN NIJIEN
>I MEAN HOLOLIVE BECAUSE WERE LOSING...

>>60678306
If you think that's good design, I think you have to kill yourself.

>>60678412
Indie models mog the shit out of both of them

Honestly it's not even just indies
Even small Western corpos are making better models
It's just more damning that indies who have to save up for months to buy a model for ~$2K wind up with a better end product than mutli-million dollar companies.

>>60678545
Nobody was talking about design.

>>60665480
>nijiwhore enabler
God fucking dammit Advent is yet another 3/5 gen. It's so fucking tiresome.

>>60678569
now post the indie have beeter disign on their 2D and 3D concert...

>>60667903
>uhhh achshually shit smells slightly less bad than liquid dogshit hurr durr
They're both shit tier talents who cares faggot

>>60678812
Again, this conversation is not about designs Mr. ESL

Reimu should sit on my face, maybe Nerissa too.

>>60678825
I'm sorry this place isn't your palace of lies nijinig

>>60665480
>Reimu
This has to be the most disgusting person a holo has collabed with to date.

>>60678545
>designed by MGE artist
it's brilliant
bugtubers rule

>>60670154
> Same 2 examples every time.
Pomu and Selen are the only 2 tolerable people in all of niji en

>>60678545
I was more talking about the quality of the rigging than the design but if you want a more traditioanl-looking model that also has good rigging then have THIS

>>60678306
proof next thread

>>60678306
you paid shills are embarrassing

>>60665480
Her model is so fucking shit, why doesn't niji get her a new one? That shit is irys 1.0 tier.

>>60679973
Can you stop posting the worst designs of this company?

>>60665480
She has a weird oil artstyle anyway on top of her being streamed

>>60679001
In fact it is, you decided to change the topic because you were losing

>>60680340
>That shit is irys 1.0 tier.
It's much worse, irys 1.0 had soul

>>60674498
For you.

>thread about vtuber models
>NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMB
Holy fucking shit just rangeban SEA already

>>60678569
Hololive can't just give the new vtubers the newest tech, they have to update the entire fucking lineup which would take ages and have questionable returns compared to just releasing new outfits. Same reason why some companies still run outdated versions of windows or rhel, it's just not worth it to upgrade everything.

>>60680547
>multiple posts about the rigging of their individual models
>Verifiable fact because Reimu's rigging is indeed shit
>Suddenly posts saying they're both shit actually and anyone outside of Holo and Niji can get better rigging
>Suddenly cry and say it was never about rigging
Art style is subjective. She's got a very painterly styled model. You don't have to love it, but it's an intentional look. The rigging is shite and that's clearly what everyone but you apparently is talking about which goes back to the main point of VShojo and /lig/gers btfo'ing both Holo and Niji in this regard. You can try making another retarded Niji anti thread later on and maybe pick a less stupid way to do it.

>>60678306
>>60681200
shut up kid, the big boys are talking

>>60680451
>this company
Giri is not a part of VShojo

>>60680547
Literally this entire thread is about rigging quality you halfwit

>>60681200
>>multiple posts about the rigging of their individual models
There are also several posts about the numbers, that does not change the original topic of this thread

>>60680988
>industry leader that was born as a tech company
>uses tech that's years behind programs and equipment readily available to the layman

>>60681325
this nigga seething and wants EVERYONE to know

>>60681384
>Literally this entire thread is about rigging quality you halfwit
false
>Giri is not a part of VShojo
That makes it worse that you only put models with bad design

>>60681528
>>industry leader
nope
>uses tech that's years behind programs and equipment readily available to the layman
that's only 2D, the 3D they have is pretty good

>>60673791
Mori is not Grim, but Death Sensei is

>>60681532
this is pretty mediocre

>>60681717
Hololive isn't an industry leader?

>the 3D they have is pretty good
Body capture sure, but their 3D facial capture is still trash
And their home setups for 3D are about as bad as 2D

>>60681528
Yes this shit always happens. It's not the startups that are using old tech, it's the big boys. I can download Ubuntu 23.10 now but we're still on 18.04 LTS at work.

>>60681834
>Hololive isn't an industry leader?
no

>>60681834
>Hololive isn't an industry leader?
no

>>60680748
The nijinigger fears the indochad

>>60681981
>>60682176
THIS IS WHAT 2VIEWFAGS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>60682376
This isn't the win you think it is anon. If they are then they're embarrassing themselves with outdated tech.

>>60682376
newfag

>>60682401
>embarrassing themselves
>>60681325

>>60667243
And Shiori isn't interested in doing Collabs outside of Advent.

>>60666658
>Who the fuck is left for her to collab with?
At least a few members of HoloID, HoloJP and ReGLOSS where they can find some time of the day where it can work.
>but but language barrier
She knows a bit of moonspeak, and more difficult barriers have been overcome to make for a good collab before.

That said, I'm not upset at her collabing with Reimu or NijiEN in general. It's her choice and tribalfagging is dumb.

>>60682518
>he thinks the biggest names can't be an embarrassment to their craft

>>60682678
was that movie a success?

>>60682678
>dc
At least you can use Marvel as an example.

>>60682836
I don't think so, you can't tell with these movies that make half a billion dollars and are considered a failure.

>>60682871
I don't know what movies Marvel's even making anymore everything post-Endgame has been so forgettable. At least The Flash had the microwaving baby scene that everyone memed over for a weekend.
>>60682836
No. But if you want to keep the argument going then
>implying success = a good product

>>60682678
>dc
>industry leader
Do you really?

>>60682450
Cope

>>60682970
The new Thor has a scene that is a million times worse.

>>60682984
DC has 27% of the market and is second behind Marvel

>>60682970
This is cope and you know it anon, nobody is going to "yeah this movie was wildly successful, but it's actually a good product so it doesn't count"

>>60683061
>second behind Marvel
So not the industry leader then

>>60682970
The first movie is decent, that usually turns into the second one that makes money despite the quality.

>>60683099
https://youtu.be/-L9M667JcaU?si=Xrj8M5zODInr660d
I miss when that wasn't the case

>>60665480
>difference in quality
The biggest issue is Reimu's face is weird looking and that hasn't been fixed whatsoever since she debuted. Nerissa's rigging isn't all that good either, she just has a better looking model.

>>60673048
It was a cute collab, nothing revolutionary or groundbreaking, just a fun watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKfQLHliWMs

>>60683099
It's one of them.
But anyway running the logic back to the point, Hololive has the biggest share of the market which means they're the industry leader.

>>60683290
Yeah that's my point

>>60683219
>Nerissa's rigging isn't all that good either
>Has Keffiy as her papa
Que?

>>60683290
>Hololive has the biggest share of the market which means they're the industry leader.
That's because the competition can't stop shooting themselves in the foot.

>>60683341
His recent stuff isn't great. Look at her movements anon, she looks like a puppet with a stick up her ass being jerked around on a center axis.
>H-hot.
Yes I know you would say that.

>>60683290
>Hololive has the biggest share of the market
share of what?

>>60666912
Shiori being that low is actually nuts to me but I guess it does make sense given her vacations and offbeat streaming subjects.

>>60683403
Yes but that doesn't not make them the best

>>60683534
Share of my semen

>>60667050
If we assume 51% shared subs & equal split of non-shared, Fuwawa & and Mococo are at 465k each.

>>60683341
Keffiy is overrated
And yes Nerissa's rigging is kinda stinko
For example, look at the way her bangs move, it's like the top half is glued to her head.
She has a wide range of movement but then she starts looking a little strange at the more extreme angles.
Part of that is on the artist for cutting poorly, but still... actually I wonder how much of Holo's shitting rigging is the fault of shitty cutting/not enough layers.

Like 2wintails is one of the best riggers in the business but her work on one of Roberu's outfits was not even close to her typical standard. So clearly something's going on with Hololive's process.

>>60684056
All the catalog drama has reminded me how good Zaion's rigging was. Which sort of puts to bed the lie that Niji models are second rate compared to Holo models. It all depends on the base design and the rigger doing it.

>>60670615
Jesus Christ, that looks terrible.

>>60684171
If you think zaion's rigging is "good" youre too used to the niji standard

>>60684518
>youre too used to the niji standard
The corpo standard is always going to be below the latest indie standard because corpos have their own processes in place with their own technology that gets outdated quickly.

>>60665480
Reimu is in a lower resolution here but I do agree Nerissa's model is much better and in general Holo models are usually better and probably have more money put into them.

>>60670615
I never noticed this until now why did you have to point it out now I can't unsee it...

>>60684566
LOL no, you just notice the ones that spend an obscene amount into their model, the "indie standerd" is a barely rigged png that dances about on stream

>>60666270
I watch the clips later, imagine being an actual loser that sits through streams

>>60675724
>Zaion
>Good Job!

>>60667050
We know that they don't share everything equally. Mococo has to be lucky to even get a sip.

>>60684964
What does this even mean? Why would you be part of something you don't actually participate in outside of second-hand information

>>60678569
The real problem is time. Indies can afford to wait the time it takes to have a complete product while a corpo has a schedule they have to stick to even if the result sometimes is subpar (eg Magnai).
Advent probably is the most consistent gen quality wise, for what is worth.

That said, both Holo and niji need to get their shit together, they could do a lot Better.
Cookie swirl blows 99% of the vtubing industry out of the water with model and rigging and she uses it only to have an avatar when she plays games with literal children. It's insane that otoh you have someone like goblina Irys.

>>60681532
that's my first time seeing a sucker in the mouth rig feature and I love it, very nice

>>60675792
Poor Biboo playing fromsoft games sure don't pay the bills

>>60686102
>That said, both Holo and niji need to get their shit together, they could do a lot Better.
They don't actually. Poeple loyal to the brand and to the girls don't give a shit about whether they have the bestest models ever rigged by human hands. This is something to whine about on /vt/ like the numberfags do about numbers, but not something actual fanbases concern themselves with unless it gets relaly bad like Rhombus Gura was.

>>60686102
It's not just time, the big problem is money, and the higher quality you want the more money you'll have to sink in. Past a certain point you're just chasing diminishing returns. For instance code miko has an amazing model but it's not exactly driving views to her by the millions

>Shitting on the genuine happiness Reimu and Nerissa had all stream
May your oshi skip your supachat, and may her next member post be a complaint!

>>60687199
NIJISEETHE

>>60687199
Imagine ever giving donations to streamers. They're not going to fuck you, they have nothing important to say, they don't give a shit about you, and they make more money than you.

>>60670615
Since day one I've hated when she looks to the side. It's genuinely the worst in EN.

>>60687447
NIJISEETHE

>>60665480
Everything about that niji girl is fake.

>>60688814
Only her yuribaiting is fake. Reimu sucks Vox's bbc in earnest

>>60665480
Reimu's always been like this, her original outfit was worse. She even looks weird next to Enna or Millie.