/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

2v2v2?
3v3?
FFA?
comp stomp?

>>60359249
I agree, Kiara could win 99 vs 1

please nothing versus, rts is the most noob unfriendly genre out there and it's not even cute. The player with the best grasp of what a build order is will just be sitting outside the base of the others playing simcity until it's time to end it.

>>60359579
>The player with the best grasp of what a build order is
im-fucking-plying any of them know what a "build order" even is, let alone an actual build order

>>60359249
>>60359579
Kronii will either give this no thought and show up confused and useless or spend hours researching the meta and destroy everyone with the best build.
No in-between.

>>60359916
but what about fauna and her mile wide competitive streak?

>>60359249
noob base building is kino as hell

>>60359473
2v2v2
Pavonashi vs Moona/Kronii vs Fauna/Anya

>>60359916
Kronii talked about getting some practice in during her supa reading yesterday so she won't be going in as completely blind as people thing she will.

Krony capitalism!

>>60359249
Anya's pov last time was extremely cute.

>>60359249
3v3

It's time for Fauna to show off her gamer chops. If she loses to Kronii again I'm demoting her in my power rankings.

>>60360183
this.
Kiara was building her farms exclusively around her mill while cloggin her TC with houses. A single scout could have killed her in dark age, this collab is going to be funny.

>>60359249
didn´t Kiara play it several times already, like in her member streams?
shouldn´t she be much better than those who never played it or only did so once?

>>60359916
Most of them are old enough to remember old RTS games so it's pretty likely several will attempt to play 'properly'

>>60362516
Kiara is impressively bad at video games.
Moona is the clear favorite here since she demolished the other ID girls in the last AOE collab.
Fauna is a wildcard. We know she has played it before, but it might be a long long time ago. Hard to gauge her level.

They should so 3v3. It's humiliating to lose by yourself as a noobie.

>>60363546
It's 2v2v2

>>60360787
Like that she already had practice or that she will get it?
Because she says that about a lot of games but it does not always pan out that way.

>>60362516
It's also Kiara. She can spend 40 hours playing a game without any attempt to understand underlying mechanics.

>>60363563
Teams?

>>60364038
>>60360729

Will they enable spectators?

>>60362516
She did not. She played publically a handful of times until the perms got too annoying

Will they play Forest Nothing?

>>60359249
If I took Anya's mask off would she die?

Civ picks?

>>60360729
It's over. Why did Fauna get paired with the losingest member in all of Hololive? At least I won't have to ruin my sleep schedule for this one.

>>60359249
anyone who completed tutorial >>>>>>>>>>> Moona > the rest > Anya

>>60362144
Fauna has only ever been good at GOI. Wdym "demoting", demoting to what? Last Place 2 Electric Boogaloo?

>Kronii will never stream StarCraft
>And then battle Selen for the bragging rights of the best EN Zerg player
Why live?

>>60364852
>NijiKR had Starcraft collabs
>HoloKR just has gay sex and autism

>>60364852
>Selen with Zerg
>Kronii will obviously play Protoss
Rigged, brood war PvZ is a fucking nightmare

>>60364348
Kiara will def go Teutons, but its AOE2 so it's largely irrelevant since none of them know the maps. Still, expect Mayans and Lithuanians you know the usual.

>>60364977
Kronii said on stream she mains zerg

>>60364977
Kronii said she mains Zerg, also it fits her play style of human wave tactics and lack of micro

>>60365041
In SC2.
Which is like protoss in brood war

>>60359249
They should play together vs AI

>>60365170
She never mentioned StarCraft 2

>>60365170
>korean
>playing SC2

>>60365498
I think she just said starcraft but my money is it's starcraft 2.
If it was brood war she would have specified I think.

Wtf when did they invite kronii and anya? I was looking forward to this collab but guess I'm just going to sleep instead

I've only played AoE3 since that's the one I was introduced to a long time ago, but AoE2 seems to be a lot more popular from what I've seen. Genuine question, do people consider 3 to be bad or do they just really enjoy 2?

>>60359249
>Fauna
Huge tryhard incoming!

>>60359249
I just hope all of them will actually try and not just do a Calli.

>>60366012
both, 3 is worse and 2 is just more fun

Welcome to another episode of low elo legends!

If anyone discovers how to castle drop, they will win
>>60366526
kek

>>60365625
>If she just said starcraft that means the first game you dullard.

>>60366526
They may be worse than the guys with sub-100 ELO.

>>60366012
Because it's mostly MUH AOE2 and if it's not 1:1 MUH AOE2 it's trash. The deck was stacked against it from the start.

>>60368146
>When someone says they play SF they mean the 87 version
okay retard

>>60368797
Damn right they're talking about the original. Totally hidden gem

>>60366012
>Genuine question, do people consider 3 to be bad or do they just really enjoy 2?
3 has a number of design flaws that hold it back as a real-time strategy game, but which endear it to its diehard fans. They're off on their own, generally speaking.
>>60368018
Yep, unless they arrange some sort of gentleman's agreement.

>>60366329
>>60368443
>>60370988
Huh, guess I'll try out AoE2 some time then.
I'm pretty trash at RTS but really like them nonetheless. Now if only my equally dogshit friends would play them with me instead of rotting away on mobas and battle royales

>>60372624
>I'm pretty trash at RTS
luckily for you AoE2 has like 50 single player campaigns that'll teach you the ropes.

>>60372624
Some quick tips:
Practice using your hotkeys in the scenario editor with buildings and units available in general play. You'll want to be able to select both one building of a set type with your hotkeys, and multiple of that type to sustain unit production.
Deactivate "Default aggressive unit stance" in [Options -> Game]
Look at Spirit of the Law's civilization overview videos on youtube. Some of them are outdated, but they do a good job of getting you familiar with the factions. There are 43, and in a few months, there'll be 45 in total.
Learn a few generic build orders: 21-pop archers, 19-pop scouts, 21-pop M@A, and maybe a 25+2 FC.
Practice small-walling, quickwalling, and just getting used to defending when you have only villagers somewhere.

Finally, you can also look at the "Art of War" modes, intended to get you familiar with the game's mechanics and give you a way to measure your progress.

>>60359249
Mommy is going to slaughter sheep and hunt deer...

>>60364714
anya did pretty good the last time she played, most advanced tech but never engage

>>60373158
and don't bother trying these
>Learn a few generic build orders: 21-pop archers, 19-pop scouts, 21-pop M@A, and maybe a 25+2 FC.
>Practice small-walling, quickwalling, and just getting used to defending when you have only villagers somewhere.
until you get this down
>Practice using your hotkeys. You'll want to be able to select both one building of a set type with your hotkeys, and multiple of that type to sustain unit production.
Because you won't be able to capitalize on build order or wall quickly and responsively until you learn your hotkeys. In fact, rather than "21 pop archers build order" just start out by figuring out what unit you want to make and then make it. Then, when you're more used to the flow of the game, you can start learning how to optimize your opening and your strategies. Starting out having not touched the game and using your mouse to click buttons and being expected to learn specific timings and pop numbers is way too much at once. Get used to playing faster first, then you can learn the specifics.

>>60372624
>>60373158
One more thing: You don't have to rush into choosing a civ. The vast majority of things carry over between civs, so even if you start with Berbers or Vikings, you can easily learn another civ.

>>60373903
>Starting out having not touched the game and using your mouse to click buttons and being expected to learn specific timings and pop numbers is way too much at once.
It's an important part of learning eco management. It gives you a clear output to work towards, and underlines the importance of villager management so you aren't just aimlessly plopping them onto resources for the heck of it.

>>60374181
telling a complete noob to follow a specific timing and pop guide when they don't know the why is just asking for either a frustrated player or a slave to meta who can't think for themselves.

>>60374649
It's to get a basic output so they know, generally, where all of this is going.
If you just say, "Get dressed. We're leaving soon," to a child, he may wear school clothes to a funeral or his karate gi to an airport. You have to give him a clear idea where all of this is going so you don't end up with the economy of one of the streamers.

>>60359795
Fauna is practising one. She's a seasoned MOBA player which people forget since holos rarely touch MOBAs and FAuna only did the Pokemon Unite collab.

>>60374928
The only MOBA skill that translates over for RTS play is clicking for movement and attacks.

>>60375000
The point is she knows what a "build order" is. She's also played Civ and is the only Holo to have beaten a game of it, granted it was by score though. She's not a newbie to any all kinds of strategy games like some of these girls are.

>>60359249
Anya would've won last time if she just built an army to protect her wonder, so I'm rooting for her to win this time

>>60372624
You have a lot of single player content in aoe 2

>>60375147
>The point is she knows what a "build order" is.
What does MOBA have to do with build orders?
>She's also played Civ and is the only Holo to have beaten a game of it, granted it was by score though.
Anon...

>>60359249
Alcatraz race when

Are any of them above 500 elo?

>>60375413
That might be autowin territory for this collab.

>>60359249
I think this is underestimating Fauna, i'll take that bet

>>60361089
heh

inb4 heated shot on land-only map

>>60359249
100 bucks on Kiara

>>60374846
I'm not saying never learn build orders, I just think it's more important to learn how to play the game first before you commit to trying to match specific by-the-second timings of specific strategies. I believe simple lessons like "try to always have villagers producing" or "use hotkeys to speed up production of units" is a more valuable lesson than "by 10:32 game time you should have 3 villagers on gold and send one to build a house" for someone who has never played a match in their life. Eco balance and optimization can come after they've got past that initial hump of "I don't know what anything is, everything scares me, and I don't know how to do anything". Really, the order of importance for completely new players when it comes to getting comfortable with the game and finding success is
1) learn hotkeys so you don't have to waste time moving the mouse and finding each specific button, can keep track of idle eco, and can keep your unit production as high as resources allow
2) learn general unit match-ups so you can be more effective with what you do make
3) limit your town center idle time as much as possible by keeping villager production up
4) pick a unit you want to make at the start of the game then work towards making it

Build orders with specific timings and pop numbers can come later when they know enough about the basics of the game and are comfortable enough to start optimizing their strategies. You don't put a rookie driver in a F1 car and tell them to race a circuit as their first driving lesson.

>>60377257
inb4 40-min bow saw and uncollected relics.
Overbooming in castle, cavalier spam without chain barding or iron casting, and no chemistry or conscription, ever.

>>60377598
40 minute bow saw? try 40 minute double bit axe

>>60377644
I'm betting on backseaters at least getting Kronii to research DBA the second she hits feudal, even if she gets housed and loses her shit.

>>60377447
>I'm not saying never learn build orders, I just think it's more important to learn how to play the game first before you commit to trying to match specific by-the-second timings of specific strategies.
I believe having a template for resource collection and use will help a new player connect the dots.
>is a more valuable lesson than "by 10:32 game time you should have 3 villagers on gold and send one to build a house"
That's not it. A build order just shows an efficient way to allocate villagers and resources. I'm not saying to follow it religiously. This gives them something they can do while gaining experience in a traditional way, but I do see your argument. It makes sense.

Mooner isn't even good. Just just plays in a way the stress the fuck out of the newbs.

>>60362614
>Moona is the clear favorite here
It's not about being good anyway, it's about who grabs the most viewers. If anything the worst player is often the winner.

>>60381386

>>60381888
And?

>>60359249
The cutest team will win.

>>60364348
I hope they don't pick malay on land

>>60381386
>>60381888
Who let the numbermonkey out of the containment thread?

>>60366012
There was a lot of factors.
AoE 2 was mostly improving over AoE 1 in every single regard. AoE 3 made many decisions which weren't improvements but took things in very different directions which wasn't received well by franchise fans. The more hollywood styled campaign with magic bullshit like fountain of youth turned away lots of people who were expecting campaign based solely on history like it was the case in previous games. The shipments/cards system was the killing blow to the multiplayer scene because it required grinding specific civs and players weren't at equal standings when they were getting matched with each other.
It's quite similar to how HoMM 3 vs HoMM 4 is if you're familiar with those.

I want to watch the streams but I'm afraid of backseaters ruining it. I know the game really well and it hurts me so much when people give bad advice, especially since streamer has no way of knowing what is good advice or not. What do?

>>60372865
>>60375239
I would usually ignore single player campaigns and just play against bots to learn in these kind of games, but in hindsight playing a campaign with actual progression sounds like a smarter thing to do. I'll definitely check it out
>>60373158
>>60373903
>>60373967
Thanks for the tips. I think my two main issues in RTS is that build order gets thrown out the window the moment I start panicking (ex. getting rushed) and I tunnel vision way too much when I micro and my macro just goes to shit. Though I get that's probably something that gets better with practice.
Also 43 factions, my god. That sounds intimidating but also really fun

>>60386505
William Wallace campaign is a stealth tutorial with very basics of the game and some hilariously outdated advice which works in single player but not online. Other campaigns you can do in any order, lots of them are fun, scenarios are very varied.
Art of War mode which was added in Definitive Edition is an advanced tutorial which should give you some basics for actual "meta" online play.

Yeah, don't worry too much about build orders. Just get more practice. As your muscle memory develops, you will be able to spare more attention to thinking about what to do. 43 civs are overwhelming, but stuff like "crossbows" or "knights" can be done with almost any civ and is pretty effective. If you find a civ you like, stick with it, practice until you know it well, then branch out to others.

One thing which can be surprising depending on what other RTS you played, AoE 2 doesn't really have hard counters. Camels beat knights one one one but knights can win if they have better upgrades or even small numerical advantage. Mangonels are supposed to counter crossbows but with micro xbows can turn it around. Etc. Often sticking with your upgraded unit and massing it further is more successful than immediately tech switching to counters all the time.

>>60359249
FAUNA LOVE
ANYA LOVE
KIARA LOVE
REINE LOVE
KRONII LOVE
MOONA LOVE

Rather see them play WC3 and unintentionally say racist shit

>>60387594
>blizzard game
lol
lmao

They're advancing faster than expected.

Kronii started a wonder and Fauna doesn't know how to make siege.

I didn't expect Anya to be amazing, but I didn't expect her to be complete dead weight either...

>>60359249
They should play 10v10 Wargame Red Dragon instead.

yeah, she read about pikeman
we still have a chance

>>60395183
it would be so kino

Fauna actually knows what she's doing.

Welp... Fauna sweep I guess.

>>60396793
She doesn't. She just listened to chat and made elephants and listened to Anya when she told her to wait until Kiara spends all resources.

>>60385112
In the Aztec campaign for the AoE2 expansion, you could do a side quest, involving making a sacrifice to a God, in order to turn a unit into a super saiyan and clear almost the whole mission with it.

>>60399920
Yes. It was a small side quest, almost an easter egg, in one of the missions of one of the campaigns of the add-on. You're comparing it to main storyline of the entire game.

>>60396793
lets be real anon, no one knew what they were doing

>>60395183
That game has really poor controls. Not happening.

I'm 12 and what is this

>>60405967
2 people about to be destroyed by Fauna's giant trunked beasts.

>>60359249
woolooloo

Team Krony Moon: 99K viewers
Team Elephant: 125K viewers
Team Proxy castle: 77K viewers

>wat are they doing fr fr
>ah oh they are trying to destroy your castle
>But unh... as long as they are busy with something...
Why is Kirara like this...

>>60392605
Krony team would have won if she build her wonder inside Monna's base, or even better, behind Moona's base.

Kiara was the only one who knows how to use the idle worker button. On a technical level, this low bar was enough to make her the technically best player.

But Fauna made the best decisions of the bunch. And this won in the end.

>>60387594
>wc3
>racist shit
What?

>>60412040
Not at all, that wonder was going to be very poverty tier. No workers to build it, no military to defend it, she would still have melted like cheese and Moona wouldn't have been able to resist a gangbang all alone. The location of the wonder makes no difference as far as this match is concerned. It was the poor management of other aspects that killed the idea.

>>60412781
The other dum dums didn't even know Knrony team was rebuilding behind their bases.

>>60364705
Apologize.

Dauna might have actually lost if she didn't learn how to double click on the elephants to select them all.
She only learned that halfway into the game.

These dumdums would be lost without the chat handholding them

>>60412781
Winning with a wonder is a pretty good idea in low skill games, she just didn't do enough prep work for it to work. She did say she underestimated the others when she decided to build it.

>>60364835
Most holos aren't good at any games.

>>60415728
>She did say she underestimated the others when she decided to build it.
That was Moona who said that. That was in reference to the fact that she hasn't played the game in over a year, but didn't bother to practice up to the match. And in the end she didn't even know how to click on the idle worker button.

Kiara was the only one who knew how to make all idle workers work

>>60415772
But that's why I love watching them

i am just glad Kiara was in this
it would have been sim city otherwise

according to the talk afterwards noone seemed to know about Kroniis wonder or what it does, it would have ended in a boring no fights instant win

>>60366012
I refuse to play 2 over 3 because the pace of 2, especially siege, kind of infuriates me. Lord knows how much more reliving it is when all your artillery (except Gatling Guns, Organ Guns, Chinese Flamethrowers, and Tanks) are reasonably efficient at taking down buildings.

3 has gotten so much better with the addition of new civs, fleshing out decks, and what not. The only trash faction right now is Japanese, but six months ago they were top dogs because of stupid hero tricks that understandably got nerfed.

I also love shipments, batch training, asymmetry, and the gunpowder warfare aspect. There's a reason I'm an Americans main, they seriously emphasize the hallmarks of AoE3 more than all the other civs do--no melee infantry (unless you wanna pay out the nose in Exploration Age for the ability to pop a squad of really efficient Consulate Pikemen every 3 minutes), extreme emphasis on sensible deck construction, and strong native or mercenary play.

For AoE2 enjoyers, you still have Aztecs and Inca who normally have no gunpowder. Or Maltese if you like tower and keep-focused strategies. Or British who can do well with Longbow+Walls.

>>60416153
Anya should have known, she produced wonderkino in the ID collab.

Review of the support players.
Kronii: It wasn't actually her fault she built the Wonder. She did ask Moona for advice "should I build the wonder or not".
Moona doesn't understand the overall picture and just says "sure, that's really good" So this miscommunication lost them the game. But I don't think it was Krony's fault.

Anya: She was kind of... just there. Never build any military. She was just there to soak up damage and buying time for her team mate to build elephants. In this aspect she isn't really better than Reina or Kronii. She didn't even build a military until Fauna had already won the game.

Reine: She appears to be the best support player in my opinion because she always assisted Kiara when they where on the attack. This makes her better than Anya, but she might not have been better than Kronii, ut's hard to tell because Kronii got gangraped early.

Moona asked for a rematch in the post-game chat.

Uhhh... You just know what that means. She isn't happy with the result, and she s going to prep the fuck our of this game if they ever play in again.

>>60364835
>Fauna has only ever been good at GOI
?
>Gerk Off Instructions
?
coombrain plz understand

>>60385112
No more need to unlock cards in Definitive Edition. This actually makes civs like Haudenosaunee fucking usable because you'd no longer have to grind for things like European mercenaries or Canadian Dragoons had those been available in Legacy (they're not but now the Haudenosaunee have it). Italians would have been dead in the water in Legacy if you had to grind for Broken Lance Company.

There's only two truly unwinnable civ matchups in the game right now AFAIK and that's:
1) Ottomans vs. United States (fairly common at the moment as both civs are strong, but USA has no answer for Cavalry Archer + Abus now matter how much stronger their late-game economy is. At least at lower ELO Azap + Falconet can be faced by monocomping US Marines.)
2) Lakota vs. Mexicans (the all-cavalry civ versus the civ with perhaps a dozen anti-cav options in Age II.)

>>60364852
Kronii's too lazy to play Starcraft, sadly.

>>60403527
Skill issue. As someone who plays ranks it is horrendous for newbies, but once you catch on about the hidden stats and understanding turn rates of turrets and vehicles it makes so much more sense. The Poor controls just require a high level of autism. Does that make it a bad game ? Yes but I enjoy it

Review of the main players.
Kiara: She did her prep work, made a livestream the day before where she made a lot of mistakes but learned from them. The only player who knows how to detect idle workers. The best player.

Moona: Way out of the loop, it's been over a year since she played against some noobs who never played before. Gave Kronii some fatal advice without understanding Kronii had no military.

Fauna: Her prepwork consisted of watching some other youtuber dominating with elephants, so she decided to do that too.
>I'm gonna build a million elephants ^^ teehee
But that was enough to win.

>>60416284
Reine is actually pretty good, when watching the ID last year you could see that her and Kaela were the only two that knew how to do waypoints and understood scouting.

>>60416153
Im just Glad Kiara gets to play various games and I like her trying strategy makes me happy

>>60412255
Wasn't it Reine who told her that? But yeah Fauna just knew how to play the basic which is build economy and then build army. I really want to see Kaela play cos she's a try hard

>>60387361
FAUNA HATE
ANYA HATE
KIARA HATE
REINE HATEE
KRONII HATE
MOONA HATE

>>60417649
>>Wasn't it Reine who told her that?
Nope. Reine didn't know how to do any of that, she always had idle workers and always complained about her workers being unemployed.

>>60417567
>Reine is actually pretty good
I don't believe your lies.

Kiara was the true tryhard.

>>60417463
You're not giving Fauna enough credit. She was the fastest to castle and second fastest to imperial with a very healthy economy. Generally speaking, her economy was just better than Kiara's. So you're selling her short by focusing on the elephants.

>>60417870
I was wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl7jFMJqGNY&ab_channel=PavoliaReineCh.hololive-ID

I miss remembered wrong

>>60417926
Didn't Fauna say she used to play AoE a lot as a kid?

>>60417926
I'm almost certain Kiara would win in a 1v1.

>>60418061
If Fauna remains as sloppy with the military buildup, Kiara has a chance. But Kiara doesn't like to play aggressive (the only reason she did this match was because chat pushed her from behind after she dropped the castle on Kronii's backyard), which would mean Fauna remains free to steamroll her late game.

>>60362516
RTS requires reading and Kiara is voluntarily illiterate

>>60418003
I saw that game yesterday from Moon's point of view.

You can tell Moona has the explorer's instinct, she is good at scouting, and every time she found a gold mind or stone mine, she would set a villaager to harvest from it, and later build a watch tower at it. And eventually use castles as mega watch towers.

I bet you Kiara studied that video and that is the real reason why Kiara build all of these castles in this game.

Unfortunately for Moona this map they played wasn't large enough to benefit her explorer's spirit. Plus they were all walled in, which is another factor that made it so she isn't playing like she used to do.

But the way, it was a real dick move of Kira to recommend Arena and Black Forest when she knew Moona choose the Viking tribe

>>60417649
Sadly she will never touch aoe2 again sinc the last time she play, her chst become unreasonable with their backseating

>>60418607
>But the way, it was a real dick move of Kira to recommend Arena and Black Forest when she knew Moona choose the Viking tribe
>implying Kiara knows civ bonuses

>>60417463
This reads like cope.

>>60418783
>>implying Kiara knows civ bonuses
She literally does. She pointed out in-stream that Moona chose Vikings, and that she thinks that's why Moona recommended maps with coasts.

Then she pressured for 2 maps with 0 water in it to cripple Moona.

>>60418783
>Be Kiara
>Study the living shit out of the game (relative to other vtubers)
>Get herself and her ally in ordnung so they can hardcountrer Moona's team
>Spent all resources bumrushing Kronii and Mona, and later try to pick off Anya
>Loose anyway because Fauna has a million elephants
This game was Kiara's Nyorooon moment.

>>60418872
Anon, vikings are an infantry civ and they famously RULE on black forest

>>60419444
I'm referring to this part.
>Warships cost -15% in Feudal Age, -15% in Castle Age, -20% in Imperial Age
She found out about this already in yesterday's prep stream.

>>60419540
She just suggested the maps chat told her are popular, which is Arena, Arabia and Black Forest.

>>60419595
I don't think so, very big doubt.jpg

>>60419653

>>60419595
I almost flipped my shit when I THOUGHT I heard Kiara tell Moona to pick Socotra--a map that I not only completely forgot existed, but looks insanely annoying to play.

And here I thought Sahara and Bengal (and legacy Texas with no fucking trees) in AoE3 were bad.

streams were really fun but I hope they do another soon and without chat.

>>60419685
What kind of copium is this?

>First point out Kirara din know noffin
>When proven wrong, cope by pointing out Muh vikings are good on land
>When proven this is less than half of their bonus, copy by blaming the chat

I love big RTS games, skill gap is not nearly as important in FFA scenarios (or multi-team which is basically team FFA) and you can get all kinds of weird, unpredictable outcomes. That said the girls failed to do one mega important thing when it comes to FFA - which is talk to each other !!! There was a few points where Kronii and Moona were clearly down because they thought they were getting 4v2'd, that's the prime moment to complain in chat and make your friends feel bad!

>>60418189
>>60418061
Would 1v1 be a fun (or good) stream for these two? I can imagine the chat getting stupid or the games being unfun stomps for one side.

>>60419990
Watch Low Elo Legends and you'll get a feel.

>>60419990
Probably not very fun.
I'm just saying Kiara was the most well prepped.

Was a fun stream, but ngl it didn't really make me want to play AoE2. Even in the lowest of low starcraft brackets, games are over within half an hour. This was 2 hours of suffering, and would have been worse without Kiara around.

>>60420298
Play AoE3 and even sub-1000 ELO games can end in 15 minutes.

>>60420298
AOE2 is a slower paced game in general, which is why it's so newfag friendly and still manages to capture a new audience. The flip side of that however is 1v1s being 1 hour (of game time, which is calculated at 1.7x speed) long on average, with team games going for even longer.

At least Teutons are known for eating hearty food.

reine and kiara was pretty salty this steam

>>60420298
That's what happens when they play a team game and don't want to attack each other for a long time. Normal 1v1 are 15-40 minutes (real minutes).

https://twitter.com/ZedGawr/status/1712689835624824867
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/6771478

>>60419790
Chat interaction is part of the fun. It literally made zero difference in this game, no matter what people claim. There were "spies" in every chat (I checked the vods) but none of them acted on any of the information.
Backseating is GOOD in this instance when people wonder about basic shit like how to select idle workers or where you can build a trebuchet. Kronii would had a less frustrating time if she and her mod goons were less anal about backseating.

>>60423566
>>60420298
They should play king of the hill mode next time, that makes the game much more exciting than a simple 2x2x2.

>>60419965
I'm glad they kept the VC to two people at a time. Otherwise the stream would be 90% ID mumbling and nothing else. Also there's zero way to coordinate strategies if it's open VC.

>>60424311
2v2v2 is weird in general. I guess they wanted to avoid EN vs ID but three teams will always end up in someone getting ganged up on. Yeah, KotH FFA would have been better.

>>60424366
AoE 2 has in-game text chat function which lets you talk to opponents. Also has a bunch of funny taunts and some are iconic enough they entered community lingo, aoe fans often write 11 instead of lol because of it.

>>60420298
>This was 2 hours of suffering
it was a 2v2v2 FFA with non-aggressive noobs. That's automatically a 400% time multiplier. 1v1 ranked queue games last 30 minutes on average

Has anyone sent t90 a link to the gameplay?

>>60425466
Does anyone know how to even contact him for that?

>>60425563

>>60425859
official business, don't submit games to that email, for fucks sakes.

>>60425892
This *is* official business, imagine if he makes a video about this match, it would be fucking hilarious.

>>60425466
You would need recorded game file.

>>60425859
>>60425892
>>60425927
Imagine T90 x Hololive collab. Cringe kino.

>>60425971
Does AoE2 automatically save those, or did they miss the chance to get it by closing the aftergame screen?
Maybe he could commentate the VOD

>>60426045
There is a point you have to click before you start the match, else the replay won't be saved. And I doubt any of them clicked it but i'll go check quickly.

>>60426045
>>60426177
there is an option to automatically record games but it may not be on by default. In any case one of the participants would have to submit the game themselves, so the chance of that happening is basically 0

>>60426250
I could see a KFP asking Kiara to post the game somewhere if she has it.

Checked Moona's age up times in the ID collab, and she took 23 minutes to reach feudal and 44 minutes for castle. So all things considered she HAS improved since then, significantly. This just speaks volumes about Fauna's own skill level.

>>60426177
I just checked and the record button is on but as >>60426250 the chance of them submitting the game is zero.

>>60418607
>But the way, it was a real dick move of Kira to recommend Arena and Black Forest when she knew Moona choose the Viking tribe
But 1v1 Black Forrest on the old 'onagers can't tree cut' balance is THE Black Forrest experience.

Why force these girls to play neckbeard genres like RTS? Do they even find this fun? Watching them play this is miserable and I can tell they're miserable and phoning it in

>>60426324
It was arena, not having to wall or build military until castle age (none of them cheesed with tower rush or a feudal cumans siege workshop push of course) should mean the time is improved regardless of skill.

>>60426561
fauna was having a fucking blast m8 what are you talking about?

>>60426561
No, anon, no woman has ever found RTS games fun.

>>60426687
Still phoning it in. She'd be happier playing something not as niche as RTS. And look at everyone else.
>>60426688
Un ironically yes. RTS is un ironically a genre that is mostly played by men.

>>60426811
>mostly
That doesn't sound like solely to me, anon.

Honestly, kudos to Kiara for keeping things interesting, and also knowing when to resign.
ID seemed to have this weird crab bucket mentality of never wanting to resign. Kronii had to convince Moona and Kiara had to convince Reine that it was over and they should concede with dignity.

>>60432490
ID were real roaches all along. They just want to farm for five hours without ever fighting.

>>60424463
>I guess they wanted to avoid EN vs ID
It's funny, at the beginning Moona indicated that they spread out like this in order to have one ID "veteran" on each team since they've played before, but they all ended up being severely outplayed by the EN players. (I would say even Kronii. Moona had absolutely nothing even while Kronii was tanking the full brunt of Kiara's attack. Moona was completely safe from aggression from her neighbors.)

>>60432717
Yeah, I agree. If anything, Moona was the cause of Kronii's downfall by giving her bad advice.

>>60426561
>Why force these girls to play
Who are you talking to? These girls decided themselves to play this game.

>>60432717
Don't get fooled. Moona picked Kronii because she wants to fuck her. She gave Kiara to Reine because she wants them to fuck. Anya is a sick fuck and is willing to fuck any woman, man or animal so she took Fauna.

>>60426561
God forbid anyone stand between Fauna and a dozen more fucking tree building streams in MC or yet another Hitman stream.

>>60432887
This is true.

>>60432966
Hitman is always kino IMO. There's a lot of variety because of the game mode she plays. Do you find it repetitive, or do you just want her to play some other games you have in mind?

>>60420576
>>60433303
It just gets repetitive imo. And diverse game selection is always nice.
Didn't she say she wanted to stream Mass Effect at one point, or am I going crazy? That'd be fun.

kiara played better, but sadly that does not always translate to victory

>>60434045
She was too bloodthirtsty. She went too far when she injected to the random map creation because she didn't want to play on coastal maps.

Basically she deliberately recommended a map where she herself get all advantages, while Moona's civilisation only gets half of its advantages.

>>60434884
vikings are still a very strong land civ

surreal to see anime girls playing AOE2. wish the remaster didnt ruin the soundtrack, the original one went hard

>>60434884
I have a question for you. If they played coastal or a map with water would you be in here complaining that moona and fauna were the only one to pick a civ with water bonuses? DId you even know persians have faster working docks? Because you aren't complaining about fauna's civ losing some of its bonuses.

>>60435769
Because it's fucking clear Kiara is obsessed with defeating Moona. I follow her streams and I saw her AoE stream yesterday where she was constantly going on and on about Moona being OP.

>>60435769
>DId you even know persians have faster working docks?
This is less than a quarter of their bonus. by the way. The Vikings lose a lot more.

>>60435011
https://aoestats.io/maps/migration/
https://aoestats.io/maps/arabia/
https://aoestats.io/maps/northern_isles/
Vikings are performing better on land than they are on water. They are one of the top 3 on Arabia but aren't top 10 in either Norther Isles or Migration (the two water maps in rotation). The ship/dock discounts are nice but lacking fires is huge and longboats are kind of side-grade to the galley line in most cases. Whereas on land they can go cbow into arb/berserk with a monster economy pretty well.

>>60436028
Do you think Kiara know any of this? She doesn't.

But her intentions were clear to all of us, except you
https://youtu.be/GPVTncKzrlo?t=285

I would literally 1v6 them no issue

It's kinda baffling how Kiara didn't look at Reine's situation a single time. Like here in the clip https://youtu.be/1g_jDazwbSQ?t=1273
Reine is calling for Kiara's help "Fauna is coming", Kiara's reaction? "well, Wawa's coming" but she didn't even look at that battlefield. Kiara kept underestimating her opponents and handwaving all of Reine's worries.
Or a situation earlier, Reine is losing a castle and army, calling to Kiara for help but what does Kiara do? 17:57 "maybe it's just her scout. like, one". Girl, you can just look over and see you're wrong. You don't have to gaslight your partner into believing they can't see what's on screen.

That was the real downfall. Overconfidence in her own abilities and disregarding everybody else, including her own teammate.

>>60436591
Say what you will about Moona underperforming, but at least she send off her troops to Help Croni when she was in trouble.

>>60436591
and then she gets all pissy and moody when she realizes faunas army shits on her and it's not going her way. I really don't like that side of kiara. it's akin to a child

>>60437068
I like this side of kiara. It's akin to a child.

>>60436533
Same. I'm only 1300s but even Fauna is sub 500 they simply would not be able to deal with a basic scouts into knights or archer rush.

>>60437068
I do enjoy seeing Kiara throw a tantrum, it is like one of the funniest shit ever.

>>60436533
>>60437208
Wow amazing, it's almost like they have a combined 5 hours of experience with RTS without looking at any third party resources.

>>60437129
out of 10!

>>60433476
>Didn't she say she wanted to stream Mass Effect
would be kino, but honestly I dont watch fauna for games she play

>>60437068
>>60436591
Kiara is useful for hate sex.

>>60434045
She played too aggressive and split her forces too much, and she wasted too many mats on building random castles.

>>60434884
>>60436152
Proportion matters.
The warship discount would mean something if you sustained production, but it's essentially a small lead unless you commit heavily to water, and that's how you get land rushed.
Moreover, Moona's not sustaining production for anything.
The Vikings have always been best as a land civ, having easily one of the best kits for land play and the best land eco bonus in the game, which harmonizes well with Moona's willingness to send villagers to long-distance wood, stone, and gold.
The bigger issue was no one telling Kronii what she should be doing at any point.
>"Is a wonder good?"
>"Yeah". (It isn't.)
>Kiara castle drops
>Moona doesn't tell her how to address overchop
>Kronii is fighting Teuton TKs and knights who're downing her castle in melee
>Makes a few Leicai, but also makes Winged Hussars because she doesn't know she's actively countering Kiara's entire composition.
>Also, "Make magnol"
>Loses her base
>Moona doesn't tell her how to come back despite floating thousands of wood and stone.
>Instead, lines up magnol in front of Kiara's castle
>Doesn't patch up the hole
This was just a massive trip.

>>60439847
>>Proportion matters.
Nope, the intention is what matters in this case.
Kiara THOUGHT Vikings were advantageoues on cost maps. So she acted on what she THOUGHT.
She pressured for a map that she THOUGHT would cripple Mona.
and she got her will.

None of the cope you point out actually matters vs. intention

>>60440015
>She pressured for a map that she THOUGHT would cripple Mona.
Or she pushed for a map that plays closer to the standard all civs are balanced around, Vikings included.
I suppose, with this being /vt/, narratives will run.

>>60439847
You're correct about Moona Kronii (lack of) interaction but you're wrong regarding Kiara vs Moona intentions. None of the girls know Vikings are a land map powerhouse. They think they're a naval civ. What Kiara did was forcing her opponent into (perceived) disadvantage.

>>60440119
You have no idea what are you talking about. Watch the streams before opening your mouth. Also you're wrong, arena isn't a balancing standard, it has wildly different meta from other maps.

>>60440248
>None of the girls know Vikings are a land map powerhouse. They think they're a naval civ. What Kiara did was forcing her opponent into (perceived) disadvantage.
Or just the standard.
>You have no idea what are you talking about. Watch the streams before opening your mouth.
Because I said Arena is closer to being a balancing standard than fucking coastal?
Do you play this game? Water as a whole is a meme.
>Also you're wrong, arena isn't a balancing standard, it has wildly different meta from other maps.
It's CLOSER. It's not Arabia, but it's not fucking Northern Isles or Budapest.

>>60440543
Neither is a balancing standard. You're talking out of your ass and making up bullshit just to defend Kiara even though it was stated on stream that her intentions were different from your delusions. All of your autistic sperg out is completely irrelevant.

>>60440543
>Do you play this game
he doesn't, he's just an orange woman schizo looking for a reason to seethe.
I like your writeup on what Moona could have suggested Kronii though, that was insightful.

>>60440543
>Do you play this game? Water as a whole is a meme.
It's actually extra resources for Fish, which Moona is expert at taking full advantage of.
But you never watched her AoE collab from 1 year ago, so you wouldn't know.
Exploration and taking advantage of resources found during explorations is Moona's main strength.

Kiara actually did manage to cripple Moona, just not in the way you or her thought.

>>60441864
lol
I know the game very well, better than anyone here. However, unlike you retards, I realize that game knowledge isn't what decided that match.
The only schizo is you, ignoring what happened and focusing on irrelevant shit, in desperate attempts to defend Kiara because you're mentally ill and think any sort of justified criticism (documented in this very thread!) is a targeted attack. Watch streams or shut up.

>>60441864
schizochama, watch this >>60436152

>projection
roru

>>60442334
Not that Anon, but yeah, it does very, very veeeerrrryy much sounds like Kirara was recommending specific maps she had been practicing beforehand.

vs.

Moona who just wanted a randomly generated map.

If you pay attention, you'll notice that instead of randomising the map, Moona had Coastal preselected. Of course, not intentionally, but this was the thing Kiara brought attention to: the map isn't random, change the setting. That she later recommended adding Arena and Black Forest to the map pool is a separate matter.

>>60442801
>If you pay attention, you'll notice that instead of randomising the map, Moona had Coastal preselected
When you start a custom lobby it starts in random map mode which defaults to coastal as the first map selected. "random map" means it's not king of the hill, or regicide, or empire wars,or any other special game mode.

>>60441796
>Neither is a balancing standard.
Arabia absolutely is the balance standard. It's the holy grail of RTS balance and design. Don't pretend you know this game.
>>60441864
I haven't been able to give Hololive much attention for the past two years. Does Kiara still have an obsessive hatedom?
>>60441978
Yes, anon. I believe Kiara watched a year-old VOD of Moona playing to determine she's able to expand to the map (in a game where the worst player floated ~5000 resources and played dead), then explicitly...suggested two of the game's most popular maps to Moona, who chose them and then added Majapahit because she's Indonesian.

>>60433476
AoE3 is a bit less repetitive, since you could theoretically play the exact same civ three different ways before even breaking out another deck.

Japanese are the worst civ at the moment but I have one deck for them from last year that still kinda holds up--the way it's set up allows you to either rush with Ashigaru Musketeers, set up for late-game with an Ashigaru + Flaming Arrow (light artillery that beats infantry) combination, or boom early with greatly increased increased experience generation.

The only civs really constrained by a build order are United States (which I main), Germany (who has some hyper-specific civ bonuses), and Portuguese (who HAVE to sit in base, wall, and make units reactively until they hit Castle Age)

>>60443013
Yeah but the point still is that Kiara wanted a random map draw.

>>60443177
>Yes, anon. I believe Kiara watched a year-old VOD of Moona playing
Even Anya knew Kiara was strangely worried about Moona.
If me and Anya came to the same conclusions from watching Kiara's stream, then there's probably some merrit to it.

>>60443177
>Arabia absolutely is the balance standard
arabia is an extremely open map that punishes civs that have trouble playing open, like britons, persians, or any other slow deathball civs.

Kiara and Moona were definetely salty about losing.
Were Reine and Kronii salty too?

>>60443177
>It's the holy grail of RTS balance and design.
>nullifies an entire branch of the unit tree by not having water
Arabia is a babby map.

>>60443297
>arabia is an extremely open map that punishes civs that have trouble playing open
There are like, two or three such civs, and even then, it's mostly a skill issue.
>like britons, persians, or any other slow deathball civs.
Anon, just admit you've never played this game before. Britons love Arabia. Britons absolutely love open maps because they get a dark age food bonus, faster ARs, and extremely cheap extra TCs for midgame expansion.
Persians are notorious for their drush potential, most of all. A bit of a one-trick pony, but they don't have trouble playing open, especially with durable TCs.
>>60443403
>nullifies an entire branch of the unit tree by not having water
Water is an afterthought in this game. It exists because it'd be weird to have a history game with no naval units.

>>60443396
Reine was just happy to get some (one-sided, because Kiara was focused on killing) flirting in, and losing just made Kronii a bit self-deprecating, she doesn't project that kind of negative feeling outwards.

>>60443621
Play islands and it stops being an afterthought.

Reine got pretty salty about losing.
>Reine builds a castle right next to Fauna's base
>Faune blows it up
>Reine build another castle at the same spot
>Faune blows it up again
>"chat must be telling her what I'm doing" t. Reine

>>60443621
>Water is an afterthought in this game
Not him, but this doesn't even matter. It's actually very intimidating for news when a fleet of ships approach them. And like previously pointed out, you're depriving fish resources for people who have the aptitude to explore.

>>60443621
britons need a deathball of arbs and siege to push with, which makes them very difficult to secure the win with on open maps. Britons have a 47% win rate on arabia, ranked 33 out of 43 civs, so maybe YOU should play the game instead of just looking at the aoe wiki civ bonuses.

>>60425859
someone do this PLEASE
i am too retarded to do it myself

>>60440015
even if that was true, why is that a bad thing?
in other games is normal to ban the mains of the enemy team star player or pick counters.
is part of competitive play kiara wanted to beat mona and she did all she could i admire that.

>>60444193
>in other games is normal to ban the mains of the enemy team star player or pick counters.
It's also normal to let the opponent do the same.
Did Kiara offer Moona this?
Did Kiara offer Moona to reselect her civilisation type?
Nope. That's why that was underhanded.

>>60443743
>Get army and production buildings on other civ's island
>Turns into four lakes almost immediately
>>60443862
You could say the same about not picking Kawasan for berries or Steppe for hunts.
>>60443956
>britons need a deathball of arbs and siege to push with
They don't. They have a perfectly viable roster outside of that. It's only in late imp when they hone in on range alone, and that's not a failing of the civ. That's just what their endgame looks like. If you wanted something else, you wouldn't be playing Britons.
>Britons have a 47% win rate on arabia, ranked 33 out of 43 civs, so maybe YOU should play the game
"no u". Cute.
Their winrate above 1200+ (which is when people actually know how to play the game) is 48.28, which is extremely average. Britons are highly specialized as a civ. If there's something they're good against, they're really good. If there's something they struggle with, they really struggle. They fuck up civs who use bespoke ranged tools to answer archer masses, like Bengalis (Elephant Archers) and Celts (Woad Raiders/Siege), but lose hard to dedicated cavalry civs because they just ignore the Britons' main advantage.
Even with this being the case, they manage to be just short of 50% in a game where cavalry civs are generally popular.
No, you absolutely do not need a deathball to play Britons, you coward.

>>60444418
>You could say the same about not picking Kawasan for berries or Steppe for hunts.
Maybe. But there were no ill intension detected from any party in this regard.

Kiara specifically ragged against water maps in the stream.

>>60444598
Every AoE2 player rags on water maps. They suck.

>>60444650
I don't think so. The map Moona played a year ago looked really fun.

>>60444712
The Malay campaign?

kirara is based

>>60444758
This one
https://youtu.be/xjmXD3MDG1I?t=436

Everybody was having fun until they got attacked by someone from the game.
It's also cool to see your units walk on shallow water.

>>60444930
She needs to become a sex slave already.

People who likes Kiara wants to fuck her.
People who hates Kiara wants to hate fuck her.
Can we at least compromise on this part?

>>60444937
>Indonesia
Cool? Moona put a map like that one in the pool with Arena and Black Forest. Arena won the RNG lotto.
Anyway, Indonesia doesn't reflect standard play at all, and I think that's what Kiara was aiming for here.

>>60445271
>Anyway, Indonesia doesn't reflect standard play at all,
And why does this matter? It was a fun map and it benefits nearly all civilisations?

And I now see why Moona thinks mangonels are an anti-castle unit. She went and suicide-charged one with mangonels and paladins.
>>60445375
>And why does this matter?
Because Kiara clearly wants to play AoE2 normally.
>It was a fun map and it benefits nearly all civilisations?
It makes for good viewing content, but has very poor gameplay potential because of mangrove terrain's strategy implications.
And "benefiting civilizations" really doesn't mean anything when someone is hitting imperial and trying to drop a wonder on an infinite-resource economy before meeting even the faintest resistance, but you have civs like the Goths, Cumans, Aztecs, and Bohemians who would be utterly shite on that map, so no.

>>60443799
Yeah Reine was salty as hell. She was accusing Fauna of stream sniping her after she finally decided to attack her despite the fact it would have been WAY more advantageous to have attacked her like 30 minutes prior when Kiara was preoccupied with Kronii and Moona. Once Fauna got elephants and trebs out, there was never a time in that game when Fauna wasn’t completely capable of steamrolling Reine whenever she wanted but she kept dragging her feet in the mud because she was scared.

>>60445626
>Because Kiara clearly wants to play AoE2 normally.
All the newbs played normally on that map just fine, what kind of retarded argument is this?

>>60445781
She didn't accuse her of stream sniping, just of reading chat.

>>60445880
Basically same. "Oh, woe is me, someone is snitching on me in her chat. Someone is definitely telling her to attack me because I'm doing... ughhh. a thing."

>>60445820
>All the newbs played normally on that map just fine
The fuck kind of "normal play" are you talking about?
>Treaty
>Real aggression only starts with imp
>Turtling on mangrove water
>Mangonel deathcharge into castle

>>60445262
What if I don't care about her?

>>60446075
Treaties are unrelated to map. That's a seperate topic you fucking clown.
>The fuck kind of "normal play" are you talking about?
The one I saw everybody playing. It all looked very normal to the best of their newbie capabilities.
So again, what the hell are you even talking about?

>>60446215
>Treaties are unrelated to map. That's a seperate topic you fucking clown.
"Played normally".
>The one I saw everybody playing. It all looked very normal to the best of their newbie capabilities.
So say it was a LEL lobby.
>So again, what the hell are you even talking about?
The match you linked while bitching about Kiara not wanting to play water.

>>60446190
Just fuck her anyway. She needs it badly.

>>60446274
>The match you linked while bitching about Kiara not wanting to play water.
And?
Why can't you play normally on that map?

>>60364977
Use dark archon to steal drone.
Suddenly enter a new age of fuckery.

It's a shame there's no way to combine zerg and Terran units, a Zerg attack supported by medics is hilariously broken.

>>60446357
>Why can't you play normally on that map?
A few reasons:
"Mangrove" and "Play Normally" are mutually exclusive here.
Any map where demos counter scout rushes, or where paladins counter fishing eco, cannot be considered "normal".
The Marshall Islands strategy isn't supposed to be the closest thing to an answer to the chaotic hell of stone on water.
There's basically no one who knows enough about the Indonesia map to shape a metagame around it, so everything would come down to luck.

>>60446794
>"Mangrove" and "Play Normally" are mutually exclusive here.
The mangroves didn't stop the newbies from playing normally. So you're whinging about things that are irrelevant and not applicable to thing group of retard players.

Do you understand this now?

>>60445781
Yeah, it was kinda stupid. No matter what chat said or Fauna knew, the result would be the same. Besides, Fauna just decided to attack before she realized she couldn't just sit around all game long waiting for Kiara and Reine to rebuild their army. There was nothing to snitch about.

>Kiara hearkening back to the Crusades to roleplay Frederick Barbarossa
>Fauna reaching back to classical antiquity to roleplay Hannibal Barca

>>60447030
>The mangroves didn't stop the newbies from playing normally.
Because they don't know how to "play normally", so they just did whatever you call that.

>>60447311
>Because they don't know how to "play normally"
And neither does this group of retard players.
So what was your point all along?

>>60444418
britons don't get hussar, or paladin, their stable units lack bloodlines, they don't get gunpowder at all, their cav archers don't get thumb ring or parthian tactics or bloodlines. They don't get siege onager or siege ram. Their monks don't get redemption or atonement and as a civ don' get heresy. They get FU infantry and extra range on archers and faster working ranges.

Please, enlighten us as to what other win conditions britons have on arabia. I'm sure with your absolute breadth of experience it would be a trivial task to educate us lowly peasants who have never played the game.

>>60447373
>And neither does this group of retard players.
Anon, you realize forgetting what it was you were arguing doesn't count as a "win", right?

>>60447457
>Please, enlighten us as to what other win conditions britons have on arabia.
He wasn't talking about imperial-age win conditions. He was saying they couldn't participate, period.

>>60447515
It's not forgetting anything. It's just pointing out you had no point all along.

>>60447726
That Kiara's motivation was wanting to play a normal game, even if she and the others suck a tad bit too much for it?
Again, forgetting your point doesn't win you the argument.

>>60447783
>>That Kiara's motivation was wanting to play a normal game
What part of that map I linked to would stop her from playing like she did today?

>>60447853
>What part of that map I linked to would stop her from playing like she did today?
You see the blue parts between Moona's base and the rest of the map?
That part.

>>60447726
Your entire point is to seethe at Kiara by she waiting to fight a fair play game. Are you ok bro? Even i just play with China in Arabia without caring about civ benefits.

>>60447907
>>You see the blue parts between Moona's base and the rest of the map?
How would that stop her?

>>60447928
Coastal map was a very fair map though. What are you talking about?

>>60447977
>How would that stop her?
Fire galleys/demos, assuming anyone there remembers what a dock is.

>>60447977
>He doesn't play the game to understand that
Anon...

I'm just gonna say, I called earlier that Fauna was super undervalued. Y'all keep sleeping on the gamer kirin. i put her as the frontrunner for any gaming event she's a part of

>>60448086
>Fire galleys/demos
So you were retarded all along and were grasping at straws and making arguments that are not even applicablt to this group of retard players.

>>60448083
>Vikings/Lithuanians on Coastal
>Very fair

>>60448174
>So you were retarded all along and were grasping at straws and making arguments that are not even applicablt to this group of retard players.
Anon, just admit you can't hold multiple sentences in your head.
Kiara wanted a normal map and normal gameplay experience. She and the others lack the skills for it, but the motivation remains.
When choosing maps, she followed that intention and suggested popular maps.
It doesn't matter that most of them wouldn't remember to make fire galleys, or that none of them can keep TCs active. What matters is that she wanted a normal game.

>>60448182
>Lithuanians on Coastal
And?

>>60448182
>Vikings
She wanted to be vikings, and she wanted some water so they could all build ships and farm food,
That's literally all she does.

>>60448156
Anon, it was a war elephant game.

>>60448403
>It doesn't matter that most of them wouldn't remember to make fire galleys,
It kind of does. Because she would have gotten that normal game regardless. Why are you too retarded to realise this?

>>60448440
>She wanted to be vikings, and she wanted some water so they could all build ships and farm food,
Uh-huh. And Kiara just wanted some walls so she could be cozy and make her metallic armory bois.
Are you being real right now? Kiara put two and two together. If Vikings, then no Coastal.
>>60448564
>It doesn't matter that a map's standard gameplay factored into her decision because everyone is (probably) too dumb to play according to the map.
>is all good k
/vt/ logic.

>>60448564
>>60448440
>Least stupid SEAfag seething at Kiara in a fun game
Why are you like this?

>>60448497
and? She destroyed everyone

>>60448686
>And Kiara just wanted some walls so she could be cozy and make her metallic armory bois.
That just means she wants to be babied fro rushing. What makes you think this is a good argument, or even comparable to mine?

>>60448730
Looking at her vod now. She's actually playing the game. I think she actually understands the relationship between the TC and the economy.

>>60448819
>That just means she wants to be babied fro rushing. What makes you think this is a good argument
I was being as sarcastic as I could manage.
Autism, or ESL?

>>60448903
>I was being as sarcastic as I could manage.
So you're either not that Anon, or you conceded.
Thanks for conceding.

>>60448957
So you were seething at Kiara, holy autism lmao

>>60448957
Ok. That works.

>>60449026
Most people are upset at her for making a stink about the maps and then weaponise it against the player she is the most insecure about. I would be too if that was me.
She is an underhanded person.

>>60449222
>Most people
Anon, it's just you and maybe one other guy seething at Kiara.

>>60449222
>Waste all your evening at /vt/ for a v-tuber
anon, are you even self-aware on how pathetic this behavior is?

>>60449280
>and maybe one other guy
Nope. It was definitely the majority here in the thread.
you're just not understanding that kind of petty behaviours is looked down on.

>>60449344
You can just fuck off if you don't want to waste your time here, you know?

>>60449280
At the end it's just
>LE KIARA BAD BECAUSE MY SCHIZOPHRENIA
And clearly didn't even bother to play the game at all, probably read on a wiki to gaslight everyone that Kiara did on purpose when she was scary on how well Moona is managing resources.

And second of all, why he's trying Moona vs Kiara? that's pretty much over since 2 years ago and both are doing projects together as we speak. Kiara's antis are truly the most pathetic fags in this board, no wonder even chinks didn't bother with eggs.

>>60443177
>Does Kiara still have an obsessive hatedom?

>>60449499
u mad bro?

>>60449557
why are you posting you own post anon?

>>60449545
>>LE KIARA BAD BECAUSE MY SCHIZOPHRENIA
Kiara is an actual schizo though. She is paranoid as fuck and thinks every person she meets in a hotel is out to get her

>>60449794
Because seething at one orange women for hours in /vt/ is normal, streaming and having fun, jesas, holy schizophrenia, wonder how schizo Fubuki and Sora are too!

>>60449557
Holy shit that Anon wants to impregnate Kiara badly.

>>60449962
Yeah me

>>60449958
>Because seething at one orange women for hours
At first it was just a commentary about how petty Kiara was. It only escalated because you astarted to defend her rotten behaviour.

>>60450035
I just arrived 15 minutes to laugh at you anon. Rotten? Sorry, Kiara isn't yours mom cunt

>>60450195
You're probably not even aware Kirara abandoned Reina when she was calling for help.

>>60450297
watch streams, she helped Reine. Sorry you don't get help anon and now you project a lot into others

>>60450393
>watch streams
Right back at you>>60436591

He even timestamped it for you.

>>60450690
>"Sorry Reine, i don't have many troops but i will send you what i have now"
Cool stream of Kiara helping her wife
>He
Anon, lying is bad, God will punish you, at least Kiara pay her church taxes

>>60450859
>"Sorry Reine, i don't have many troops but i will send you what i have now"
Nope, she didn't even bother to check Reina's situation. We literally know this because we can see Kiara's viewport.
This happened multiple times by the way as that Anon pointed out.

>>60451020
>See clearly that she send troops in this yours link
>Trying hard to take this as bad
hating kiara makes people like this? What is wrong with you? look honey, want 10K USD for sucking my dick? I know is hard to be a 1view

>>60451292
>See clearly that she send troops
Nope, Reina was dismissed.

You're misinterpretting that video, it's jumping around in time and in multiple point of views.
Kiara only intervened when Reina was already slaughtered. She used her as padding against Fauna.

>>60451436
Who the fuck is Reina? again, 10K for sucking my dick, deal honey?

>>60451586
You know who, so that's no tan argument.

>>60451643
tan? kek funny "woman"

>>60451643
I've seen a lot of tan arguments in my day, and you sir are no tan argument!

>>60451910
Thanks for conceding everything. I know you have nothing left to argue with.

>>60451910
tan = so in spanish
"no tan" = not so much
the fag is a fucking phoneposter lmao

>>60452135
It doesn't matter what device we post from. Most of the things pointed out about Kirara can be documented with timestamp to the streams.

>>60452010
I'm just some random guy who pounced on your typo, save that for >>60451840
>>60452241
>yes I am a phonefag
lol kys monkey

>>60452241
Who the fuck is Kirara? Also
>We
You and your multiple devices are not "many people", will you suck my dick if i pay you 10K? Yes or no?

>>60452381
>>Who the fuck is Kirara?
Multiple people spell her that way though. Do the ctrl+f yourself.

>>60452478
>Multiple
>People
Choose one

>>60452517
Not an argument. you lost.

>>60452558
Lost what? I'm not a monkey phonefag, that by itself set me over you sub-human, get your extra chromosome check bro

>>60452714
>Lost what
The entire argument.

>>60452770
according to whom...? yourself? so me me me

>>60452944
That's when happens when you can't address other people's arugments and pivot to spelling errors. You lost it.

>>60453024
but this is the thing, your entire post are not argument, just opinions

>>60453240
It's not opinion when the linked timestamps back them up.

>>60453296
An interpretation of a event isn't a fact my fellow retard

>>60453470
It's not interpretation because Kiara's stream is available. And we can see she never once scrolled her viewport to check up on what Reine was crying about.

And so because she never cared about tag teaming, the Fauna / Anya team picked them off one after another.

>>60453633
>Reddit spacing
>"My words = facts"
u ok bro?

>>60454133
Not an argument. You lost.

Are you two still going?

>>60454203
See >>60453240

>>60454272
Not exactly. Kiarafag lost it a long time ago.

probably is just one fag samefagging both as a Kiara anti and as a KFP. rememer to take your pills anons

>>60454536
It's not exactly that. I would definitely want sex with Kirara very badly, but that doesn't mean she can't be called out on her stupid things. The other Anon disagrees fundamentally on that question.

In fact some of the criticism of Kiara can only be leveraged you you watched the stream exactly from her point of view.
If you watched any of the other 5, then you would have never known.

>>60454741
So you're falseflagging, cute, i guess you had fun with yourself today

>>60454916
That's not even what a false flag is.

>Kiara antis are crazy
In other news, the sky is blue, more news at 9

>>60455235
But Kiara is literally crazy in the head herself.

>>60455486
yeah by my cock

>>60455235
Most Mythschizos have either moved on to something else or been concentrated to the purest essence of mental illness. And we share a board with them...