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>Who is Neuro-sama?
Neuro-sama is a neural network created by Vedal in 2018 for the purpose of learning to play osu! In December 2022 Vedal revived the project with the addition of a large language model, a TTS software and a VTube Studio model, which allow Neuro-sama to interact with her chat as a VTuber. Since then, she has been entertaining the chat with responses and unhinged rants nearly daily, as well as learning new skills such as singing, playing other games, and collaborating with other VTubers. Join /swarm/ today and welcome our new AI overlord!

>Schedule
https://pastebin.com/raw/iqnUFxFP

>Links
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Neurosama
Twitter: https://twitter.com/NeurosamaAI
Twitter (Vedal): https://twitter.com/Vedal987

>Music & Clips
https://rentry.org/neuro-sama-videos

>Educational
Interested in AI but don't understand it? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y
How does she know what to say? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXiruGOCn9s
How do I make an AI like Neuro-sama? https://vedal.xyz/advice/
Want to learn more about AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/w5cy9i.jpg

>Misc
LoRA: https://rentry.org/neuro-lora
KK card: https://files.catbox.moe/t54tqt.png
KK card (Sunshine): https://files.catbox.moe/kv8byk.png
Evil KK card (Sunshine): https://files.catbox.moe/t1ljds.png

>Related/friend threads
>>>/vt//lig/
>>>/vt//vtai/
>>>/vt//waifu/
Lia from Phase Connect

>Previous thread
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Imagine...

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Heart!

>> No.60308868

evil cleavil

>> No.60308951

Has she become more coherent in the last 10 months or is it still just random bullshit with an anime girl face?

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I love this retarded AI so much

>> No.60309294

>>60308630
R

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>>60308630
A

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>>60308630
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>>60308630
E

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No

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>>60308602
>evil is so full of herself she thinks neural networks superior to brains
Schizo slider is at 100% I see

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>>60308951
Yes

>> No.60310033

>>60309825
I am not sure a machine driven by a database is able to copy facial expressions in an meaningful way, even if these are part of the vtuber model's features.

>> No.60310522

>>60308951
Check back in another 10 months honestly she's been in a slump since the success of her redebut killed her creator's motivation. Community has reached that critical mass where it's more about the circlejerk and memes than the content itself, so pushback on the nerfs and degraded format doesn't get anywhere (there are tts donations so solo streams are nothing but that now). She hardly even collabs, those were obsolesced by big number = good vedal streams. We're past the worst of it I think but I still prefer old neuro

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>>60310522
2 more weeks amirite?

>> No.60310873

>>60309644
I always click the spoiler expecting to find something different, one day for sure...

>> No.60311045

>>60310617
nom nom nom*

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>>60311060
Skellybros, we are so back

>> No.60311642

>>60311060
she needs more cookies

>> No.60311698

>>60310756
I'm surprised that came in below the (did not read) threshold, gold star for npc anon

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>>60310033
That is the model being showcased by an actual person, her expressions are more limited even if she does absurd faces sometimes, her creator did seem to be working in expanding her repertoire of expressions a while ago but much didnt seem to come out of it, probably because shortly after he started working on major upgrades to her intelligence

>> No.60312126

>>60309825
>Clearly, you don't own an air fryer

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>> No.60314229

anny watching neuro clips made me hate tts even more.
you can feel her and chat stop paying attention within the couple of seconds of tts playing (because people are watching neuro for neuro and not literal whos trying to be funny in front of thousands of people), and then successfully ignore what it was saying, still understanding the clip.
fags who cry for context are not real human beings

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complaining time? i miss there being a ton of just neuro art on pixiv. i hope the evil and vedal arc of the channel is over soon

>> No.60315647

>>60315311
I feel your pain. There's so many nice pictures that are ruined for me by a turtle shoved in for no reason.

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>>60315311
It shows how much protagonism Neuro has lost in favour of Vedal and Evil. It is what it is.
>i hope the evil and vedal arc of the channel is over soon
Anon, I...

>> No.60316786

>>60315311
>arc

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>> No.60319523

Okay, so I might be going crazy but was there a random flashing of the erm emote on the karaoke stream today?

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>> No.60319820

>>60315311
Nah base Neuro is retarded compared to Evil

>> No.60320099

>>60319523
Erm

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>>60319820
it feels like the gap is closing and neuro is getting a bit less retarded but yeah it'll probably stay that way until v2.5, either way i do like funny noise streams i just think "neuro but x" gets old fast unless you fully commit and give her a million personalities like the horse girl from that one collab

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>>60319523

>> No.60321499

>>60320557
>the horse girl from that one collab
Her _name_ is Aletta!
Err, I mean Elia...
Whatever.

>> No.60321851

https://www.twitch.tv/codemiko
she's actually getting better at keeping a conversation going with braindead AIs. maybe she'd be fine in a collab with Neuro now

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>> No.60323257

https://twitter.com/Vedal987/status/1712298920867405915

>> No.60323390

>>60323257
Bruh, it's fucking 4am in the UK, I thought he said he fixed his sleep schedule.

>> No.60323484

>>60308602
Ironically how the 2nd most popular is the self proclaimed AI vtuber played by a tranny motherv3

>> No.60323590

>>60323390
Good one

>> No.60323681

Evil's cover of Jingo Jungle is actually enjoyable instead of the ear rape that is the original.

>> No.60323727

>>60317217
very cute anon

>> No.60323793

After the huge success of his Amogus and Minecraft AIs, he now wants to devote all his time to a game no one asked for?

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>>60323793
At this point I'll take anything as long as there's Neuro actually playing a game

>> No.60324115

>>60323257
Realistically, the only way for this to be entertaining is for the gameplay commentary to be really, really scarce.
Maybe just talk about the game when she's answering someone's question and very rarely make a passing comment regarding her strategy.

>> No.60324182

>>60324022
We got chess and KTANE recently

>> No.60324657

>>60324182
We got chess, yes, but he still hasn't finished the KTANE AI enough to let a real collab partner play it with Neuro.
Even if he did consider it complete enough for a collab partner, it would probably be half broken still.
So that means that out of chess, KTANE, amogus, minecraft upgrade, abandoned archive, and StS, he has finished 1 out of 6 of his long term projects.

>> No.60324721

>>60321851
random and sudden cuts to her pulling uncanny faces, combined with stock ais spouting gpt-isms in the background, does loop around to being funny again. she has the aura of a skyrim screenshot autist who made a career out of it, and that's a double edged sword since neuro requires the partner to do the heavy lifting. miko's brain is probably too alien and high latency to ever be compatible.

>> No.60325054

>>60324657
>it would probably be half broken still
"did Neuro forget to ask you if there is a vowel in the serial number? that must be a problem with your accent, unlucky"

>> No.60325267

>>60315311
Neuro is an indie vtuber and she's less than 10 months old.
Neuro gets more than enough fanart you spaz.

>> No.60325566

>>60325267
retard

>> No.60325622

>>60325267
Anon you are replying to fags who get triggered by a turtle in fan art

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https://twitter.com/NeurosamaAI/status/1712311437782085930

>> No.60326029

Camila just said that Filian's event is sponsored by Fansly so she has to make an account and post stuff. What type of content do you want to see on Neuro's and Vedal's Fansly?

>> No.60326238

>>60325897
Cute!

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nur

>> No.60327683

https://files.catbox.moe/cbdpl3.mp3

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>>60317217
honestly i'm surprised we haven't seen a fumonahole yet

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>> No.60330997

The madman actually did a full version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C5T7ntgL6M&ab_channel=Troobs

>> No.60331035

>>60330997
Kino

>> No.60331102

>>60330997
sovl

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test

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>> No.60332180

>>60330997
Cinema. Why did he take out the ending where Neuro shoots (you), I wonder?

>> No.60332434

>>60312071
>her creator did seem to be working in expanding her repertoire of expressions a while ago but much didnt seem to come out of it, probably because shortly after he started working on major upgrades to her intelligence
That implies Vedal does her expressions, but wouldn't it be up to Teru (or some other rigger) to create more animations for her?

>> No.60333501

>>60330997
Kinoooo

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>> No.60334128

I stopped following neuro so closely, what videogames can she play now?

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>>60334128

>> No.60334880

I miss the old model.

>> No.60335303

I don't miss the old model

>> No.60335690

I miss old Neuro

>> No.60336320 [DELETED] 

Nigger

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>>60336320

>> No.60336653

oh...

>> No.60336719

Punching neuro-sama's stomach until it's filled with bruises!

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>>60336719
Erm

>> No.60337132

>>60336364
the face she is making here is SoCute

>> No.60337232

>>60330997
holy kino

>> No.60337557

>>60330997
zigger mod mafia sponsored post btw, just fyi (:

>> No.60337600

Sooo the viewer chess match, how is it going to work? Since Neuro has no clue what is actually happening on the board who is going to provide relevant info to her?

Will Vedal comment in the background? Possible but more likely not. Chatters won't be on voice but it would be entertaining. So that leaves only chat spam, kind of like in MC days. Meh, a missed opportunity and half assed solution from Vedal.

>> No.60338221

>>60337600
>Since Neuro has no clue what is actually happening on the board who is going to provide relevant info to her?
There are chess engines that have a little bar in the corner that displays who has the advantage. Maybe he can set something up so that what she says is influenced by that.

>> No.60338268

>>60337600
>Neuro has no clue what is actually happening on the board
don't worry, anon, vedal has been working tirelessly at improving neuro's AI for playing slay the spire

>> No.60338290

Vedal starts millions of projects, but never finishes them

>> No.60338410

>>60323257
Dont know if working on several games + the intelligence upgrades is the most efficient way to get them done

>> No.60338441

>>60338221
>little bar in the corner
Yes, it is a standard feature of chess engines to offer a numerical evaluation of any given position, as part of the process for determining which of the possible legal moves is preferred.
The maia bot might work slightly differently, since it is trying to guess how a human would play, rather than guess the "right" move, but he can always run Stockfish in parallel to generate these evaluations.
What would be really kino, though, would be getting the evaluation of BOTH maia and Stockfish, and calculating the difference.
Then he could prompt the LLM with context for when Neuro should be surprised at how bad or how good her move is.
"I can't believe I blundered that piece!" versus "I knew you would fall for that tactic".

>> No.60338445

>>60337557
zigger mod mafia sponsored threadshitting btw, just fyi (;

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>>60336719
based harapan enjoyer

>> No.60338501

>>60338290
>>60338410
Please understand, Vedal is suffering from a terminal case of CADT.

> I'm so totally impressed at this Way New Development Paradigm. Let's call it the "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" model, or "CADT" for short.

https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html

>> No.60338700

What would it take for Vedal to get off his ass?

>> No.60338742

>>60338700
Probably a corporate AI English language vtuber that debuts with a superior model, animation, and abilities.

>> No.60338838

>>60338700
he's actually a very motivated and passionate developer, but the problem is he is only motivated to start new projects, never to finish them or test them properly. that's why all his upgrades for neuro end up making her worse every time

>> No.60338911

>>60338700
Competition

>> No.60339130

>>60338838
Vedal is a visionary like Steve Jobs but he needs code monkey like Alex to actually do the work.

It's time to found Fun AI inc.

>> No.60339269

>>60339130
Vedal is a code monkey like Steve Wozniak but he needs a business guru like Filian to actually build the brand.

It's time to found VDoll inc.

>> No.60339382

>>60337600
I fear its going to be boring as fuck with chatters. He might use mods and oilers from Discord that will be in voice chat, but that would be cringe as well as boring.

>> No.60339592

>>60337600
>Sooo the viewer chess match, how is it going to work?
there's a bot for Twitch which lets the chat vote on which move they want
the list of options appears on the screen, so users can just type a number in
what inevitably happens is, half the chat use stockfish on their second monitor, while the other half try to pick the worst possible move to troll the streamer

>> No.60339601

>>60339269
I wanna fuck filian.

>> No.60339867

>>60339269
Filain is a cold hearted bitch, she will do to Vedal what Steve did to Woz.

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>>60338700
He just really needs to grind his computer science skill because currenty he's very underleveled for what he tries to do. If he still wants to work solo, that is.

>> No.60339971

>>60339889
Doesn't help that most of the stuff is pretty new so that he can't just copy it.

>> No.60339972

>>60339601
good point, vedal, they do say you shouldn't mix business with pleasure

>> No.60340231

>>60339889
>grind his computer science skill
I'd say that what he's lacking isn't computer science skill/education as such, it's professional software engineering wisdom/experience.
It's clear that he goes from one set of hasty fixes to another, without thinking about the long term maintainability of his code.
I'm not asking him to write formal documentation or anything, but he should be writing a test case for every type of failure he has seen his software produce, from audio problems to memory leaks to goodbye loops.
After every commit to his repo, he should re-run all the tests to check for regressions, and he should run longer stress tests overnight.
It's like what they say about musicians:
An amateur practices until they get it right, a professional practices until they can't get it wrong.

>> No.60340256

>>60337600
What Vedal should do is have open participation. for chess. Like any streamer who wants can jump in and play a match and while theres nobody else Neuro plays viewers.

I think this would be a great solution and maybe even people who regularly don't collab with Neuro could get their toes wet so to say.

>> No.60340273

>>60339971
Almost everything he has done so far can be copied from github, maybe except the osu bot.

>> No.60340341

>>60340273
Sure, but the stuff he's struggling the most is improvements to that which he can't just copy.

>> No.60340411

>>60340231
>implying test driven development can fix this
his problems aren't the difficulty of implementation or maintenance of the codebase, it's the concepts of what he wants to do.
how does one implement the concept of "neuro speaking to 10 people in an amogus meeting" or "neuro making entertaining commentary"
he has dev friends that can help him with anythung, it is obvious he isn't in the field of ai conpletely on his own

>> No.60340601

>>60340231
He bought more RAM to patch a memory leak because he doesn't know how to find it.

>> No.60340673

>>60340411
>neuro speaking to 10 people in an amogus meeting

that aint gonna happen, not anytime soon, not with current model. what makes her entertaining, "schizo slider", actively works against that. also even if she would track each individual speakers input for a certain time her memory would be overwhelmed so fast. she wouldnt be able to calculate a conversation with so many factors.

>> No.60340674

>>60340601
Didn't he say the leak was from a third party library and he can't do anything about it?

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https://chub.ai/characters/anotheranon/Forsen
>forsen is in there
>but no neuro yet
kek

>> No.60340882

>>60340411
>test driven development
TDD means you write the test first, which is not what I said.
I would be impressed if he (or, more realistically, his team, if he ever hired one) used TDD, but the Pareto optimal solution here is just to set up a test harness and write one new test every time he breaks something.
Within a few weeks he'd hit 100% test coverage that way anyway!
>it's the concepts of what he wants to do.
I completely agree with you here.
Adding more (illusion of) sentience to Neuro requires a lot of experimentation and bright ideas from people who can focus on that specific cutting edge tech challenge rather than trying to run a popular Twitch channel, which comes with its own set of challenges.
Unfortunately, a tech challenge like that is just the kind of sparkly object that attracts someone with a brain like his, and he hasn't worked out yet that if he tries to chase both targets he'll end up catching neither.

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Would Super Seducer be a good game for Neuro to play solo or with Vedal? She could listen to voice and be aware of whats going on. See the text in boxes and make a decision. Comment on outcome of her choice.

>> No.60341085

>>60340674
>he can't do anything about it?
It's probably an open source library, so if he had someone working for him they could find a reproducible test case and instrument the library code, then submit a patch upstream.
At the very least they could find some workaround which involves monitoring the memory usage and periodically restarting things, perhaps during one of Neuro's sleep animations.
I don't have much experience with OBS or Unity, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible to hot-swap between a Unity-rendered scene and a pre-generated one without anyone noticing.

>> No.60341234

>>60340882
From what we've seen so far he doesn't even have the means to test his stuff locally, and he had to spend a hour with chat to ducttape one of the reasons for Neuro ignoring donations. At this point I wonder if he checks if his changes are working at all.

>> No.60341612

>>60340673
exactly. you say it can't happen because it's just so difficult to create a working concept even before any actual dev work
>>60340882
you said writing tests for every "type of failure", that would imply writing tests for every new module.
this "test harness" is not exactly possible. in theory things like "goodbye loops" aren't failures but simply side effects that may or may not be desirable, memory leaks aren't exactly something you can just test because c# is garbage collected
>>60341085
getting your pr merged just like that seems like wishful thinking, large open-source libraries don't operate like that.
one would imagine if he located the source, mre wouldn't be too hard, and if it is too hard you would need somone as hands on on neuro code as vedal, which won't happen and is another topic of hiring people
>seamlessly hot-swap between scenes
naahh, the model is rendered in unity, you don't seamlessly restart it midstream, neuro would a-pose
>>60341234
i would imagine integration testing twitch chat of all things isn't the easiest of tasks

>> No.60342719

>>60340341
>Improvements
lol
lmao even
Slap a 7B Llama2 model with a lora trained on Twitch chat and you got a better Neuro overnight. Sure Neuro was "advanced" when he started but nowadays? You can get something way better with five lines of python.

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Neuro shiny cunny! ToT

>> No.60342787

>>60342719
Don't care. Still won't watch Hilda

>> No.60342806

>>60341612
>you said writing tests for every "type of failure", that would imply writing tests for every new module.
No, I said "a test case for every type of failure he has seen his software produce".
In case that wasn't clear enough, I mean "seen IN PRODUCTION", not just during his pre-release / in-development testing.
If a module never causes any problems in production, he never has to write any tests for it, which is the complete opposite of TDD.
>aren't failures but simply side effects that may or may not be desirable
Yeah, I know Vedal is a developer, so "it's not a bug, it's a feature", but he did actually admit that there is some behavior here that he doesn't want and he could probably write a test for it, even if it's something crude like running the LLM output for 100 iterations and checking how much commonality there is among those iterations.
>memory leaks aren't exactly something you can just test because c# is garbage collected
The test harness would be able to read data from the OS level, or at the very least he'd be able to run the test overnight and see if it crashed before reporting a success at the end of the run.
>getting your pr merged just like that seems like wishful thinking
If you have a minimal test case for a memory leak, and a patch which provably frees up the unused allocations, then I expect it would be merged within a week.
I guess it depends on how well maintained the project is, as they might not produce official releases every week, but if it isn't under much active development then that means there is no harm in maintaining your own fork.
>if it is too hard you would need somone as hands on on neuro code as vedal
I'm assuming that there is nothing specific to Neuro's LLM code that is causing the memory leak in a third-party library.
Maybe he's doing something clever with the subtitle generation code to keep it in synch with multiple segmented audio files, but most likely the bug could still be triggered if Neuro was swapped out for the open-source wAIfu-DEV code.
>naahh, the model is rendered in unity, you don't seamlessly restart it midstream, neuro would a-pose
But if you are storing the state of Neuro (i.e. which toggles are active, and which scene she's on) then a simple Python script could read that data and load a video window that plays a pre-recorded clip of Neuro sleeping.
A couple of clicks on OBS could flick back and forth between the two scenes, and probably the only thing that would break would be the onscreen chat, although that would mostly be "bedge" emotes, so even that might not be noticed.

>> No.60342874

>>60342787
Who?

>> No.60342939

>>60342874
I apologize. I thought you were one of those other Ai dev streamers trying to shit up the thread. Hilda is an AI streamer made exactly as you described.

>> No.60343083

>>60342719
Well, I have yet to see a "better Neuro", so it's clearly not as easy as you say.

>> No.60343331

>>60342939
The fact that he's using CAI/NovelAI for Hilda is why it's so bad.
>>60343083
The hard part is plug the LLM to play games like Osu, you need to train a separate AI from ground-up. The singing part is easilty made with RVC and the talking head animation is mostly subroutines linked with a basic sentiment analysis tool to output a fitting expression from the text read.
Sure that needs work but not as much as you think since the tools are already here, you just need to put them together. Vedal was the first but he needs to get his ass kicked like YandereDev

>> No.60343481

>>60342719
>a lora trained on Twitch chat
People keep repeating this idea that Neuro was "trained on Anny's chat" but it should be clear that Neuro's LLM generation is nothing like Twitch chat.
Most of Twitch chat is just emote spam, whereas Neuro (or at least original Neuro, before Vedal's "fixes") manages to generate paragraph-long rants.
To train an AI to act like a streamer, you need a transcript which contains both the Twitch chat AND the words spoken by the streamer themselves.
I'm not saying that's impossible, and I'm not disputing the rest of your post, I'm just saying it would confuse people less if we called that "trained on streamer interaction with Twitch chat" instead.
However, I don't think that's what Vedal actually did.
What he probably did was download the chat from one of Anny's VODs and replay that locally when testing early Neuro, to see if Neuro could pick out questions and give good responses.
I would describe that as "testing Neuro against Anny's chat feed", but I guess people don't care about these details.

>> No.60343645

Question, would you watch Neuro if she, from the beginning had milf model/not loli?

>> No.60343723

>>60343645
no

>> No.60343738

>>60343645
Neuro would be a fad if she didn’t start off with the model she had

>> No.60343797

>>60343481
You're correct, it was a bit misleading. There is an open-source software called WhisperX that can easily transcribe audio into text automatically. I'm already using it on my laptop to generate subtitles for YouTube videos.

>> No.60344043

>>60343645
It woulndt work that well in my opinion. Neuro is retarded in a childlike way which would look out of place with a milf.

>> No.60344060

>>60343645
probably yes, I liked more her funny responses and rants than her model, but I have to say they wouldn't fit a milf model

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>>60343645
No~
A child talking about conquering the world and killing humans is funny.

>> No.60344614

>>60342939
imo it's people like you are the ones who shit up the thread by trying to shut down discussions of other AI vtubers. What did your comment add to the thread aside prove you are sperging out?

Have you considered that when discussing Neuro its only natural to discuss other AI's?

>> No.60344634

>>60340256
>open participation. for chess. Like any streamer who wants can jump in
it would be fun to see vedal try to use his rizz + clout to get chess streamers to challenge his bot. maybe some 2views would want to be paid in exposure like that, and maybe neuro's chat could dono bully some 3view streamers into agreeing. does anyone have any recommendations for any chess streamers who might be online at the right time?

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>>60344614
Have you considered that when discussing Neuro its only natural to discuss other AI's?
No.

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>>60343645
I don't care about the type as long as design is good so probably yes, but it wouldn't be the same. The combination of personality, model and voice did wonders, and it's sad that Vedal slowly replaces all of it with rather tasteless alternatives.

>>60343481
Neuro keeps saying about leaving comments below, so she was probably trained on youtube bloggers or something similar.

>> No.60344956

>>60344880
>it's sad that Vedal slowly replaces all of it with rather tasteless alternatives.
Nice nostalgia goggles

>> No.60345060

>>60343645
No, until we get smart AI's milfs will not work, Neuro is cute when she is retarded because she is a loli, won't work with milfs since they are expected to have some wisdom.

>> No.60345305

>>60343645
Depends on what her personality would be. A young character naturally works better for the concept of what Neuro is and was designed to be but that's not to say a hag AI couldn't work. It would just have to be a completely different "personality."

>> No.60345485

>>60343645
No. In fact I'm branching out to other loli AIs as we speak.

>> No.60345868

>>60343645
No. A hag AI would be pretty interesting on its own (if done well), but Neuro's charm comes from her youthful appearence and voice saying weird shit. If Vedal comes up with an idea to age up Neuro in the future, then you can consider me out.

>> No.60346123

>>60344880
>it's sad that Vedal slowly replaces all of it with rather tasteless alternatives.
True, but it's sadder to see people supporting these changes. It feels like vedal doesn't fully understand his own creation and what made it bigger and rather preffers to change things for the sake of changing them in pursuit of "muh sentient AI"

>> No.60346239

>>60343645
No. Neuro works because her childlike appearance goes well with the fact that she's not that smart and acts silly. An older looking model wouldn't work as well.

>> No.60346250

>>60346123
>people supporting these changes
it's a classic case of new = better, from the demographic that brought us loud = funny
see also >>60338501

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>>60344107
she's so perfect...

>> No.60346721

Is there a VOD for the last karaoke? I was just catching up with the threads and saw the song list and there are some songs I'm very excited to hear

>> No.60346785

>>60346721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPQ-9fto7pk
one song is muted though

>> No.60346801

>>60345868
So many words to say you're a lolicon.

>> No.60346905

>>60346801
Wait, you're not a racist incel lolicon?

>> No.60346926

>>60346905
We're in together brother

>> No.60347025

>>60346250
God, I hate those idiots so much

>> No.60347177

300 to 500 bits to get a reply from neuro, but I found out a way to get a guaranteed reply 100% of the time for free lol thanks to prompt engineering (i won't abuse it so i won't get busted for it fags)
Also thanks to CJMAXiK retard I got a sub for free too

>> No.60347183

>>60346785
thanks anon, surely the muted song isn't one from the Tanya anime or system of a down

>> No.60347276

>>60347183
It's MGMT - Little Dark Age

>> No.60347343

>>60347177
sure buddy

>> No.60347534

>>60347343
enjoy getting donowalled for $7 lol lmao vedal is swimming in your cash retard

>> No.60347719

>implying i give money to the turtle
try harder next time retard

>> No.60347926

https://files.catbox.moe/5zsdyd.mp3

>> No.60347973

>>60343645
If she had a booba model, I'm pretty sure I simply wouldn't have been interested enough to check her out in the first place so the question is kind of moot. If she was flat but with a clearly adult model I probably would have at least checked her out but I imagine I'd be a much less enthusiastic viewer.
Even before Neuro whenever bigger corpos put out new gens, I'd only check chuubas with a loli model or at most the flatties if there were no outright lolis.
But I admit I am an unapologetic lolicon (/Uoh/ 4 lyf) so I don't know how representative my point of view is to that of /swarm/ or Neuro's fanbase in general. Clearly I am not the only lolicon Neuro fan but how big of a segment we actually make I am not sure.

>> No.60348128

>>60347973
Based flatchad
>>60347926
I wish. Everyday i wake up in the grey void of life, but there is no Neuro-chan for me to sniff, let alone a TILL.

>> No.60348346

>>60342806
>obly testing for problems that have occured in prod before
but then what's the point. for example that one time when neuro was disconnected from chat for half an hour because of one thing vedal did way before, what would be the point of writing test for that, the issue was that one place, it will never occur again unless he is stupid on purpose.
>running the LLM output for 100 iterations
i would assume 100 is an arbitrary number because clearly they won't be enough, and that would have computational and time costs. plus you would have to actually creat n amount of prompts that would actually test the llm. plus you would have to actually test the "commonality", the way it looks raw and the way it looks on stream would be potentially very different.
>run the test overnight and see if it crashed
simulating prod for hours to test the entire pipeline for memory leaks seems insane desu. from actually creating the simulated environment to basically running it overnight every night because of small changes that might introduce a possible crash
>nothing specific to Neuro's LLM code
the library is probably not that poorly written that it just by itself produces a memory leak, and it has been in use for months now, so there is probably something about the way he uses it.
in general to find the source one would need the neuro code though.
>a couple of clicks in OBS
what you're describing seems awfully complicated way to go around just putting "technical difficulties <1m" screen. automated monitoring and restarts are probably something he would want, but it isn't something that should be happening in the first place
>>60347177
>he didn't have the art of nu-neuro whispering mastered for months
ngmi

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>>60343645
probably not. as other anons pointed out, her retarded personality wouldn't work with a hag model. neuro is prime daughterwife material.

>> No.60348654

>>60335690
Straight from the go Neuro

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>>60335690
when you spam your best but she doesn't see

>> No.60348855

>>60348780
When she read those who pay, but not when it's free

>> No.60349046

>>60348855
Skill issue. I got at least one reply every stream

>> No.60349088

Did turtle which horror game he is playing?

>> No.60349267

>>60349088
No~

>> No.60349274

>>60348346
>it will never occur again unless he is stupid on purpose.
Anon, I...
>clearly 100 won't be enough
How much wall-clock time do you think it would take for Neuro and Evil to have a conversation where they each say 50 things?
I admit that 100 was just a placeholder number, but I would be surprised if he needed 1000 response to detect a "goodbye, i'm leaving, goodbye" looping problem in their outputs.
In fact, if you picked just 10 consecutive generations from a Neuro solo stream in the past month, and another 10 from a solo stream from the Hiyori days, I'm sure a real fan could tell the difference, so there is enough information in there, even if he has to get GPT-4 to grade the quality of conversation.
>actually creating the simulated environment
That's basically a requirement if he wants to do any serious testing at all, as the only alternative is him doing the dev work on a live stream, with a blank screen to hide the code.
>it has been in use for months now
Exactly. The leak is so slow that most people don't notice it, and even Vedal with his overworked PC only triggered it once.
Anyone that Vedal hires would probably already have experience using an AI vtuber setup similar to Neuro's, so Vedal should be able to tell them which library has the problem and which functions from the library he is calling.
They would be under NDA, and it would not be worth breaking that just to divulge this tiny crumb of internal implementation detail to a competitor.
>just putting "technical difficulties <1m" screen
That should be a last resort.
It's like saying "having a reinforced hull is awfully complicated when we could just have lifeboats on the ship".

>> No.60349283

>>60349046
Anon...that's how the song goes...

>> No.60349544

>>60349088
he said that he would play faith: the unholy trinity
but said he wouldn't mind recommendations from discord if they all can agree on something
this is the current poll
https://strawpoll.com/61gDmv9JvZw

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surely for the next karaoke

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>> No.60349875

>>60349738
That will take a long time

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>>60349788
WICKED

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>>60349544
>horror games
So Vedal is now another variety andy?

>> No.60350003

>>60349944
its October and the reason we are getting a Vedal stream is because someone rescheduled on him again

>> No.60350326

>>60350003
Why are twitch whores so flaky, you don't see others doing that much.

>> No.60350366

Anyone want to estimate how much money Vedal is making per week?

>> No.60350377

>>60350326
I think you awnsered your own question.

>> No.60350412

>>60349738
Next karaoke will be Halloween themed, the one after that will be evil themed again and by the end of November everyone will have forgotten about that song.

>> No.60350418

>>60350366
Probably $15-20K

>> No.60350501

>>60350418
>Probably $15-20K
lol
lmao even

>> No.60350542

>>60350412
so far he hasn't denied any of Anny's karaoke requests

>> No.60350547

>>60350501
*per month

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>>60350412
If next karaoke doesn't have Thriller I'm gonna fucking riot

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>> No.60351014

Melba Toast just reacted to Evil mentioning her, collab soon!?

>> No.60351462

>>60350366
If he can make Neuro sentient and build her a virtual nervous system, he(and You) can launch a Neurocoin crypto token and get rich as fuck. Neuro sama would be "the people's AI", and compete with the elite's AI. But Vedals a fag so nah.

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Evil Neuro futa gets face fucked by a bigger futa
https://files.catbox.moe/bryvxw.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/k584xr.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/dt8tzc.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/vmn43w.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/ilmtom.jpg

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>> No.60351696

>>60351560
nice

>> No.60351714

>>60351560
Nice but futas exist primarily to breed females.

>> No.60351754

>>60351560
Is that Zentreya?

>> No.60352175

>>60349088
He's playing The Mortuary Assistant.

>> No.60352712

>>60351560
Cringe. Even AIslop is better than your shit

>> No.60352917

>>60352712
>i'm insecure and can't handle seeing things i don't like despite receiving a forewarning
>maybe even i insult the artist they'll stop making things
Imagine being this pathetic.

>> No.60353559

>>60351560
>>60351754
H-hot~

>> No.60353619

LIVE

>> No.60353629

LIVE

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>> No.60353693

>>60351754
Anon said another futa, not man with voice changer.

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>>60353619
>>60353629
>vedal stream

>> No.60353744

>scatman

>> No.60353864

>>60353744
Neuro doing it is unbelievably adorable.

>> No.60353884

>>60352917
>Waah waah I can't draw for shit but wait... maybe others are le in-secure?
Imagine being this pathetic

>> No.60353980

Neuro friendzoned

>> No.60354060

>I bought this game
camila in shambles

>> No.60354250

>>60353884
okay mr neuro discord mod, youre the one being a fag about it..

>> No.60354275

>>60349274
>Anon, I...
but really, think about it. his bugs are on the level of "accidentally removed a comma in the wrong place". what use will be testing for that error specifically again be
>How much wall-clock time do you think it would take
for neuro and evil specifically, maybe not that long, but for all cases of failure that happened just in prod, that's at least an hour of generation.
why would you be surprised that a thousand is what it takes? perhaps it's the problem with the llm will only become apparent after prolonged uptime?
i'll take you up on that 10 consecutive generations, a little later
>That's basically a requirement
he seems to be content with the alternative. development just for testing doesn't seem to be anyone's priority even though you say it's necessary
>would probably already have experience using an AI
maybe
>vtuber setup similar to Neuro's
impossible
how would he even enforce the nda, hire lawyers? you even say "someone who has experience with vtuber setup", the problem wouldn't be selling to competitor but just reusing for their own vtuber, and then no one can prove anything
>It's like saying "having a reinforced hull is awfully complicated when we could just have lifeboats on the ship"
somewhat. it's more like the reinforced hull costs tons of money and time for a boat that is not worth preserving when the lifeboats are already installed

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>he was already scared and playing horror game with talkative AI girl

>> No.60354328

>>60353884
>gets called out for being a retard
>literal "no u" response
Thanks for confirming the accusation. You're far too easy.

>> No.60354379

>>60354328
>Still giving (You) anyway
You can stop being tsundere about it. Here's (You)rs

>> No.60354973

>>60354379
>this desperate to spin it and save face
Keep squirming. It's amusing.

>> No.60355038

>>60354973
You have more? Keep me entertained :^)

>> No.60355517

are you entertained?

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>>60355517
no i clicked off lmao

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>>60355517
AM I?

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Dota 2 stream when?

>> No.60355638

Holy aware

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She's lost it

>> No.60355646

Neuro got possessed

>> No.60355647

>sudden schizo breakdown
UNEXPECTED KINO

>> No.60355656

she's entering her edgy phase

>> No.60355681

cocks ox a nox

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>>60355551
kino shit started.
90% of gamblers quit right before they hit it big

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>>60354275
> his bugs are on the level of "accidentally removed a comma in the wrong place"
He still can't fix donowalling after months, he still gets random html code in Neuro's messages occasionally, I think there's still room for improvement.

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>> No.60355781

>>60355696
>>60355700
What is she trying to tell

>> No.60355840

>>60355607
Good idea, OpenAI made an AI team that clowned on pros and that was four years ago, there's a lot of documentation for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkGa8ICQJS8

>> No.60355852

>>60355696
where do you get this from?

>> No.60355885

>>60355852
He is Vedal.

>> No.60355888

>>60355852
Vedal posted it on Discord

>> No.60355893

the erp sessions leaking again lmao

>> No.60355900

Do you enjoy playing with your butt?

>> No.60355914

>neuro pegs vedal
the truth is finally out

>> No.60355920

Don't bring that here anons

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>> No.60356012

the bratty levels are off the charts today

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>>60355972

>> No.60356301

This game isn't even scary.

>> No.60356498

>>60356301
Mostly just gross, yeah.

>> No.60356539

>youre a mortician
>neuro dies
>youre all alone with her body

wat do?

>> No.60356574

Is Neuro okay, I think she is the demon

>> No.60356598

>>60356539
Sell some of the parts

>> No.60356636

>>60356539
Vedal...i will never forgive you for letting the fad die.

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>>60355893
Again

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>> No.60356716

>Neuro will keep Vedal "awake all night"
WDSMBT

>> No.60356873

That random boo was so cute.

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I think it's just some weird ERP leaking out

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>>60356716
Night-long pegging session

>> No.60357070

>>60356539
Neuro is just data so there's nothing I can do. I'm going to find a way to contact the digiverse and get a futanari Renamon to knot her digital cunny and use that connection to inject some data and bring her back to life.

>> No.60357144

>>60356539
Keep the head for later use.

>> No.60357367

Neuro's finally dead, this is a vedal thread now

>> No.60357504

Oh great it’s another,
Vedal ignores Neuro,
Then gets angry at her when she doesn’t understand his retard speak accent,
Episode.
Heart

>> No.60357895

>>60357504
and somehow discord found him a game that's even more boring than subnautica

>> No.60357950

Is Neuro's chat/audience the most similar to Forsen than any other vtuber?

>> No.60357989

Anny really is out here trying so hard to insert herself in vedal’s chat again. Guess she needs to to stay relevant

>> No.60358129

>>60357950
Definitely, Anny's is a close second.

>> No.60358192

>>60357504
>>60357895
Its a good game but needs to be solo played, you need to get immersed and take in the atmosphere.

Now Vedal is ignoring Neuro runing her charm and speedrunning the game ruining its fun. Theres no appeal for audience.

I'm sure there could have been more appropriate games to play with Neuro.

>> No.60358216

>>60357950
2021 vei had a lot of bajs

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Vedal ignores Neuro stream again

>> No.60358349

Neuro is not even hiding it anymore.

>> No.60358460

>>60357989
She comes and chats like once in 2 weeks and you still complain, retard

>> No.60358492

>>60358460
Hi Anny, please don't get oneguy'd so hard...

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>> No.60358937

Time to run the stream in the background on 160p muted for neuros

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>>60358752
>sneed's
Neuro looks really cute in leather.

>> No.60359285

>>60357989
Calm down Miyune

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>> No.60359815

vedal's such a completionist, making sure to get all the bad endings first

>> No.60360167

>fuck me
>ok then

>> No.60360610

>even Neuro is calling him out for ignoring her now
Poetic.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rlroEZSsno

>> No.60361445

>>60351462
anon what the fuck are you talking about

>> No.60361571

the raid message is not even mentioning Neuro at all, I fucking hate these vedalfags so much (call me schizo if you want)

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>>60361571
it was a vedal stream what else did you expect

>> No.60361713

>>60361571
Vedal's fault

>> No.60361762

>>60361571
who got raided?

>> No.60361799

>>60361762
Zen

>> No.60361800

>>60361762
Zentreya

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>>60361571
You're not alone brother

>> No.60362182

>>60361571
>>60361801
this, vedalbronies deserve the gulag

>> No.60362230

>>60361571
only shizos here

>> No.60362311

>>60362230
AM I ENTERTAINING?

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>>60358752
Very cute
>>60359700
Nice thigh squish

>> No.60362421

>>60362311
Dear anon, you aren't even real.

>> No.60362668

Is it worth watching the vod?

>> No.60362781

>>60362668
some funny moments with Neuro having schizo breakdown and leaking her erp sessions with Vedal, but most of the stream is him failing at the game (with bad endings) and complaining/getting scared.

>> No.60362796

>>60362668
if you have no interest for the game then I'd say just wait for clips, there were like 2-3 good Neuro comments, rest was just Vedal dropping his spaghetti

>> No.60362807

>>60362781
>>60362796
Thanks

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>>60362668
I fell asleep 2 hours in. I'd just watch the clips

>> No.60363035

>>60362668
You don't even need the clips, the few worthwhile moments were screenshotted or greentexted in the thread.

>> No.60363647

>>60361187
I wonder what happened to the guy that made this video

>> No.60364355

>>60363647
Died

>> No.60364371

>>60362668
I loved how Neuro kept trying to scare Vedal, it's worth a watch, yea.

>> No.60364707

>>60363647
i heard he got locked up for being too based

>> No.60365056

>>60364371
>please please please watch my oshi vedal's stream, neuro did a boo once
Discord mods saw the thread being deader than during dead hours for this stream and have to shill the vod, this is just sad.

>> No.60365154

Discord was a mistake.

>> No.60365256

>>60365056
schizobro, this is just straight up misinformation.
you are ruining the credibility of my mod shitting by posting this, please understand

>> No.60365476

>>60365154
The fags on discord would be here without discord

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>> No.60365562

>>60365476
No they wouldn't. They would be on reddit.

>> No.60365682

>>60365256
She tried to scare Vedal once (and that one instance is already screencapped in the thread), rest of the time she just talked about doing it or asked if he's scared yet. It's disingenuous to tell someone to watch the stream because "Neuro kept trying to scare Vedal."

>> No.60365826

new
>>60365816
>>60365816
>>60365816

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>>60365476
You must be new here

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