/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Nice, didn't read it all though. Just good to see Coco really pulled a great final month there - I assume if she had announced her grad on 1st of June she would have ended #1.

What is this autism

>>6027440
Top tier numberfagging

Damn, great month for Elite Miko and Gura is #1 again, not surprising.

Even if you worked at a chuuba company the CEO would tell you to fuck off

The Real Numberfag that we neither deserved nor needed

and here's the vtubers ranks history, updated. This one is not supposed to be perfect especially for the past years having worse sources, but it gives a good indication I guess.
As things of interest, you can see that Noel, Kanata, Nene, Gwelu, Moona, Nyanners, (and Calliope if you dont count her debut month) reaching their highest ranks on this last month. Also Ironmouse almost made it to the top 50.

>>6026961
>>6027763
This is pretty good data and analysis, kudos anon

Stop using covid as an explanation for everything

>>6027763
Look at that February and April for Haachama. The Haachama schizo arc was a truly special thing and I don't know if we will see anything like it again. Everybody had string opinions of it, whether food or bad, and it made her the most talked about and most popular chuuba in the world.

>>6027763
The greens are extinct, the yellows dominance is over, it's beautiful how the evolution works

>>6027763
UI mama top 10 for the second month in a row, pretty amazing.

>>6027763
Luna below Azki? That is honestly surprising.

>>6026961
why is it just an image though?
Care to link the spreadsheet or chart good sir?

>>6028703
>why is it just an image though?
not op, but people won't click through to a spreadsheet

they're more likely to open an image

>>6026961
so nijien is shit after all

>>6026961
I'm sleepy so I'm not gonna read all that right now. Basically, the ones who were in top 30 in May and are still in top 30 in June can be considered relevant/popular, right?
The non-Holo vtubers who fit the criteria are Kuzuha, Shigure Ui, Kenmochi Touya, Tsukino Mito, Gatchman. That's a total of 5/30.
Also, Inuyama Tamaki, Shibuya Hal, Kanae don't exactly fit the criteria but they're pretty close.

>>6028800
For their sub size their avg viewer rate is above average... for Nijisanji.

this schizo really thinks that anyone is gonna read this wall of text? kys

>>6028800
yes, -55% lol

>>6026961
I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for you though. Or sorry that happened.

>>6026961
I thought this month was Gura's laziest month but she could still pull number 1 in the rankings

>>6028703
here: https://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/z%2BZK2z%2BsG9bi9Ab0CgrA6Q

>>6028821
These people also often showed up on the concurrent viewers ranking, so those numbers aren't meaningless after all. Though the difference of their subscribers are pretty big, with Kuzuha at 850k, Mito at 750k, Ui at 520k, Touya and Gatchman at almost 400k.

>>6029242
well, she may have the best views per video, but still was lazy: she was beaten by many in total streamed time (only ranked 38th), and ranked 5th in total views [considering only streams] this month (behind coco, peko, marine, kuzuha)

Numberfag vnuma chart virgins vs. Numberfag aggregated data statistics chad

>>6026961
Anon, help me out. What's the source? I wanna use my Power BI skills and whip up a nice dashboard for all the number fagging needs.

>>6029997
>>6029334
don`t know if you`ll like the format though

>>6028821
Not sure why you're cutting off at top 30 or only looking at 2 months, but it's actually 5/20, since only 20 people were top 30 in both months.

>>6029024
Because May was their debut month anon...

>>6029545
I wonder if EN 2 debut this month could shake the rankings a lil bit considering there's 4 of EN in top 30 even though they've all been a bit lazy as compared to other months

>>6029242
>>6029545
>>6030264
Numbers/Time accounts for laziness. Getting 400k views on a 1 hour vod > 500k views on a 2 hour vod. OP also has the individual numbers for ants though if you just want totals, and the comparison per hourly segment although sample size is probably lacking there per month.

>>6027440
The best kind.

>>6026961
Good shit OP.

>>6030645
God damn why is Suisei's 3D model so good, I might have gloves fetish because of this.

>>6026961
> Views/Time
What are you even trying to find here without abritrary thresholds and conditions?
Why does a 50 minute stream ~20% better than a 60 minute stream with the same views?

>>6030470
>Accounts for laziness
you mean rewards laziness

>>6030944
>What are you even trying to find here without abritrary thresholds and conditions?
>Why does a 50 minute stream ~20% better than a 60 minute stream with the same views?
Chunbud will do everything with their mental gymnastics to make Gura relevant

>>6030187
its not like they debuted with 50k anon, anyway they are not doing well for an english corpo chuuba

>>6032308
You say that but then 2/3 of them are bringing in comparable amounts of superchat to vtubers with millions of subs last month.

>>6032450
and that chuubas always got that kind of income, since they had 100k subs and even now. The difference is that they actually grow as you would expect from a corpo vtuber

>>6032642
Half of hololive earned less than the top earner in NijiEN last month, just saying that doesn't seem too bad to me.

>>6032308
>anyway they are not doing well for an english corpo chuuba
By what standards? Have you seen the numbers Prism/Tsuderia/phase connect get? Just the mere fact that NijiEN is capable of consistently pulling 4 digit ccv puts them in the "wildly successful" category of english corp chuubas

>>6032797
for a niji standard

>>6032931
Have you seen the nijicharts? Consistently getting 4 digits is something that half the nijis are incapable of.

>>6032931
Nijisanji has other "english corpo chuubas"?

>>6026961
>obsessed

>>6026961
As expected, Gura beats everyone not only in suc count but also watch time.

Why is everyone else so much inferior to Gura? How is she this good?

>>6032961
for the time that girls streams they are getting shit views, if you want to compare them with the ones that only stream a couple of times per month and to a jp audience only then yes they suck ass

>>6033055
ChiguP...

>>6028441
I'm extremely happy of Azki's incline
She's so cute
But Luna also needs some kind of boost. When's her birthday again?

>>6032931
Elira was the fastest niji to 100k. Both Pomu and Elira was pretty high in the june niji SC rankings, and they have comparable or higher viewers than plenty of JP nijis. They havent been a outlier explosive success, but it is silly to think they are some massive failure.

>>6033181
only holofags care about subs, or nijiniggers care about them too?

>>6026961
Hololive destroying everything in its path

>>6032779
Don't know where you get that asspull about half of them earning less than the top earner of nijiEN in the last month but other than ID and the ones on hiatus, they earn more on a weekly basis than nijiEN earns in a month. 80% of Hololive at least. Pomu only had one big break but that's just about it. $12k for one stream. She probably can't replicate that anymore in the future.

>>6033290
Everyone cares about subs, niggers just pretend they don't when they get destroyed by it

>>6033515
aifags...

>>6026961
My conclusions:

Gen tier list:
S tier -> EN1, JP3, JPGAMERS, JP2
A tier -> JP4, JP5
B tier -> JP0
C tier -> JP1
F tier -> ID1, ID2

EN1 still performs the best due to Kiara being easier to carry compared to Flare and Choco.
JPGAMERS has improved a lot, especially Mio and Okayu.
JPGAMERS has a very solid all-around performance with the least difference between the best and worst performers.
JP5 looks like a discount JPGAMERS.
Coco's buff is very strong,
but Towa's under-performance reduces the graduation boost impact for JP4.
JP1 doesn't get hit too hard from Haato's absence
because Matsuri is improving a lot.
Everyone in JP0 has improved except Sora.
The ID gens depend a lot on their carries, Moona and Ollie.
Whoever performs better will top the other gen.

>>6033571
gen 1 is doing pretty fine if you have in mind that Fubuki is the only one carrying that group

>>6033497
Here is the list for Hololive June Superchat
>>5904310
Pomu was $29,945 which would put her at 19th on the Hololive list above the half way point. Elira was at $18,559 which would put her at 26th.

>>6033571
Any ranking that has Gen 2, a group with three practically defunct members, in S rank is automatically suspect.

>>6033571
Interesting, also this made me realize that those e-celeb collabs, that /vt/ complained so much about, actually seem to have helped them a lot, as we also see on >>6026961, Takamori are the ones on EN actually growing, the others remained near 0% variation.

>>6033571
>JP5 is discounted Gamers
They're not. Botan is the only gamer of the group. She's carrying the gaming side while Lamy and Nene does GFE/Minecraft/Monhun streams and Polka does her own shows or producing MVs.

I agree ID being an F but that's because they haven't found a niche for themselves yet. Moona has one but she doesn't stream that often. Iofi and Risu are being lazy. Idk why they aren't grinding for overseas money. Ollie and Reine is fine on their own. Anya is the only outlier here, she wants the JP audience but that place is already saturated.

>>6033958
Disregard /vt/ takes on anything, always.

>>6033832
Aqua (7) and Subaru (11) are very strong,
and Choco (59) has more streaming hour than Gura for June.

>>6031091
>you mean rewards laziness
no, actually you'll notice the longer the video the higher the average views tend to be for it. part of that is because people will come back to watch it in parts so they count multiple times. so long streams boost total numbers most of the time; granted a big streamer will have a high floor, a min number of viewers who will watch a single video.

and yes, this metric is wrong as well because it rewards musical singles disproportionately. as those tend to draw the highest return views, with the shortest time for the video.

>>6033805
Okay, fair point. Those numbers doesn't seem so bad when compared to half of Hololive. Looked through playboard and Pomu practically grinded all day in June for those numbers.

>>6032308
Gura's September 2020 to Gura's October 2020 is -55.3%. I can't believe shark was a flop all along...

>>6034408
The reasoning is still 'top 20% of africans score higher IQs than 50% of Europeans' tier though. Not to mention the honeymoon phase (which lasts about 2-3 months for HoloEN)

>>6034634
well guess they are the same shit after all

>>6033987
> They're not.
The talents may do different stuffs,
but this chart is about the popularity and charisma of the talents.
Both JPGAMERS and JP5 have four performers.
JP5 used to have the least difference between their best and worst,
but JPGAMERS beats that number for June.
Based of >>6027763, Korone has been a top 20 performer since Feb 20.
And the rank gap between between Mio and Korone had been more than 20 until the recent data.

>>6034313
>no, actually you'll notice the longer the video the higher the average views tend to be for it. part of that is because people will come back to watch it in parts so they count multiple times.
Except that sort of situation either doesnt happen or is not happening at a significant rate to justify the division by duration. pic related shows Flare's Minecraft views doesn't correlate at all in any way to its duration.

Again, how does a 50 minute stream is ~20% better in performance than a 60 minute stream with the same amount of views?
If OP cant justify this, then all these analysis ITT might as well be unusable especially in trends.

>>6034313
In case you read the OP (big lead I know), he doesn't count music videos, shorts, or short skit type videos. You do correctly point out that this still favors those who get most views after the stream has ended, and I remember in early threads OP did try to remove outliers on videos like 1 hour announcements and stuff.

>>6036087
of course Flare playing minecraft over a variety of collab partners and events will have her numbers all over the place. Pick a solo game with a more regular streamer.

>>6033832
OP's metrics seems to be somewhat inaccurate unfortunately, unless someone else comes up with a better metric and go through the effort to compiles them then i guess this is all we have.

>>6036689
Still doesn't justify the division by duration nor does it correlate much even more so if you remove the 2 hours outlier stream when she wasnt feeling well

>how does a 50 minute stream is ~20% better in performance than a 60 minute stream with the same amount of views?
Also, never really get an answer for this. Especially when the movement trends are mostly within 20%, which means that it is not an insignificant value.

>>6033832
It's because 2 members haven't streamed, so he doesn't count them, and thus Aqua and Subaru can hard carry. If you did count them and toss them automatically as last place because they didn't stream, then JP2 would be a lot lower. I guess to not have something like that OP probably should've added in another month to at least get in one Ayame or Shion stream.

>>6037652
I assumed the reasoning was to account for the fact that longer streams have the opportunity to accumulate a lot more views whilst they are live than shorter streams. People come in and out all the time of live streams even if the overall viewer numbers are remaining relatively stable and that leads to long streams tending to have more views when they archive than shorter streams. So a shorter stream with more views on it is overcoming that entirely.

>>6037652
It`s like you`re asking me why is 2 bigger than 1. Keep asking dumb questions and you`ll keep getting ignored.
And your image just shows that longer streams get more views, although their growth gets smaller the more they advance into the dead hours of late night. Thus why you can`t compare 100k/2hrs with 300k/9hrs and need to stay within time ranges.

>>6037936
OP here, it is a different anon who made this post >>6033571. If you want them to calculate the gens` numbers differently just ask them directly.

>>6038476
Okay now try to answer the question without dismissing it.

>>6039054
It`s been answered twice already, take your shit low effort trolling to some other thread.

>>6039283
OP's metrics is shit. a couple of viewers 'coming back' for the last 10 minutes of a 60 minute streams doesnt account for 20% of performance. especially not if those 10 minutes were SC reading with less to no content.

Here's one metric that is actually coherent and are actually tracked and standardized by market analyst (Giken, Stream Hatchet, etc).

>>6041118
>Giken, Stream Hatchet
you mean those guys who forget to include vtubers like Kuzuha or Marine on their top ranks? Or were you the one who made that fuck up at the first place?

>>6041118
What's that blue column, total views?

>>6042523
Total watched hours, by just multiplying how long they streamed and average viewers.

>>6042728
>watched hours
that`s not, since nobody has that info. That`s probably CCV*time, which doesn`t account for either vod views later than the live itself; nor the filter that youtube applies on the real CCV due to "spamviewers"

>>6042728
So that means someone that has an average CCV of around 20k can just stream double the amount of time Pekora did and they will be on top?

>>6041118
This metric is worse since it doesn't account for VOD views and is heavily biased towards more stream hours.

>>6028800
Why did they fall so hard?

>>6043967
they ended up being a vwhore bootleg

>>6043967
Don't worry they're already working on flooding the market

>>6043220
Basically
Absolutely worthless metric

>>6044243
At least give a real reason, the only one who feels out of place is the fish, maybe she paid her way in.

>>6028441
it's view/steam length so those who stream infrequently tend to do better.

>>6043627
why should vod-views be accounted for?

>>6043967
Do you really expect them to keep debut numbers? Everyone came to watch and only people interested stayed. Use your fucking brain they're barely a month old

>>6027763
Interesting to see how Amelia is slowly climbing her way back up after almost falling off

Why the fuck there's only nijisanji, hololive and vshojo? Where's the other japanese agencies?

>>6043967
Debut buff ran out, and they're genuinely just not that entertaining. They have good chemistry together as a group but they aren't really that charismatic or creative. It just feels more like three average indies got a bigger audience than finding talented diamonds in the rough who deserved a shot.

>>6050345
Just be glad that it's not 100% Hololive. Honestly though, subs aren't meaningless and it we're taking that into account then non-Holo vtubers are irrelevant.

>>6043627
>>6045729
I mean, if an advertiser/sponsor wants consistent advertising to a decently sized audience, perhaps such a metric would be invaluable. That one (hypothetical) streamer can stream to a consistent audience of 20k+ is already worth something, not to mention being able to do so for twice the amount of time of Pekora has (who already logs in pretty crazy hours - she tops Sankisei this year, I believe) would just put it over the top.

>>6045729
it's the most important metric for youtube.

>>6059271
watchtime is NOT the same as views per video length.
Youtube actually knows how much people watch, they even tell the creator at which point people stop watching.

>>6026961
based numbersautist

>>6033958
Takamori are the worst performers of EN. Kiara doesn't have a high view rate for the effort she puts in and Mori is hard-carried by her music. When all you can is but go up, anything will work.

>>6068497
KFP shows up but the deadbeats don't.
Shadowverse tournament was basically Kiara's normal stream chat.

>>6057241
No. It is absolutely worthless. An advertiser cares about only one thing: the amount of people that are going to watch the ad. They don't care if people stay to watch the video start-to-finish or go in via time link; the only thing that matters is that the ad is played and that a viewer watched the ad. For that, just looking at the view total is enough because it serves as a snapshot of the channel's overall traffic.

>>6057241
If you wanted to account for sponsor/ad interest, you would only count the VoD views, because thats where Ads are actually shown. An advertiser doesn't care about live views one bit, because it has no influence on how many people see their ad.

>>6068571
Most of the deadbeats don't really show up to chat on Mori regular stream, they either lurk or chat on discord, 70% of the chatters on Mori public streams are greynigger tourists.