/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>59820221
licky licky

>>59820221
>what do you call this behavior?
Being an idiot that doesn't realize their success was just luck and a good design.

is this the anti thread?

>>59820221
it is unfortunate, i like the mike/rushia gachis they put up with a lot and still supported her... but being told to stop watching her with such vitriol is understandably the final straw the broke the camels back, even if some of them come back it just won't be the same for them, she's just a dumb confused girl and lets the BPD unfortunately ruin all the good things she has, she needs a manager to keep her grounded or something, the chasing numbers shit is just going to destroy her in the end as it does so many who get into this shit for the wrong reason

>>59820221
AYE LMAOOO MAN WHERE ARE YOU!?!?!?!

Nijisis still seething after Vshojo poached one of their liver and left them to rot

Jfc Cover dodged a nuke the first time, imagine if this was the blowup instead of the grade school shit that actually got her booted

>>59820221
>what do you call this behavior?
hot

>>59820221
Female behavior

>>59820221
>>dude gets told 5 hours later she is not allowed
Source?
>>mopes for weeks about how her kaigai are gone
She specifically told kaigai to fuck off in one of her tweets(prob deleted)

Keyfags dont you guys get tired of this? This is emotional self abuse. Can you guys just tard wrang your oshi for once and just keep her out of drama for at least a month? Shes a very talented streamer/VA its really a waste to just keep her on permanent mental meltdown

>>59820221
Typical unicorn friendly chuuba lifecycle.

>>59821306
But her fans trying to manipulate her was part of why she did it.

>>59820221
mucho texto

>>59820221
who?

>>59820221
She lifted the veil on who she really was and burned all her bridges in the process. All that “I love you” bullshit she says to her fans is just that. Bullshit.

>>59821306
>talented
lol
lmao, even

Any good lewds of mike the cat?

>>59820221
lolcows tend to become parodies of themselves in a desperate bid for attention
she literally got a model of herself

So is someone gonna post clips of her meltdowns or what

>>59821157
brief mention in her rage stream post break, iirc her 5ch mentioned it too
>she specifically told her kaigai to fuck off
Yup. Twice.
And then after she calmed down she started going "why are my kaigai gone" "why are there no kaigai that tell me they love left" "my kaigai are leaving" and still does it

>>59820221
This is 20% rrats, or 25%, I'm not sure.
Which is honestly a good mix ratio because most people, me included, already forget the details.

>>59822487
>20% rrats
where? OP is basically correct, he also posted minor details about it that were never mentioned /here/ so it's probably an ex-fan who experienced it first hand(like me...)

There were no meltdowns and no lies besides this lying OP

>>59822604
Eh, I never actually checked JP's side nor was that invested in Miguel's drama since... 6 months back? So, I just presume that the added "details" are just rrats.
Because most of the time I was right thinking this way.

the original mike model with the cat ears was way better

are there any webms of her meltdowns on stream, I have never watched her

>>59823229
there's more bits I could add but ultimately it's a pretty good summary and anything I could add doesn't change the story, it's the most accurate portrayal I've see posted so far
I guess I could say that she did try to at least "reassure" her unicorns first to try to make them okay with it or at least prevent a full blown catastrophe, but...negotiations were both poorly implemented in general and didn't end well. She was so absolutely convinced that this supposed miraculous recovery was a done deal. In her mind, fans opposed to it turned into people who wanted to stop her from being successful and happy again. It was so insane, it was like she had absolutely lost it and there wasn't a single thing that could be said that would get through to her
I genuinely don't think she did it out of malice, she just had locked herself into one extremely schizophrenic view and shut off her brains ability to process information opposed to it.

>>59821157
There was no such tweet. It was in her post collab twitcast.

>>59820221
I can't save her.

I doubt that this will affect Miguel Gato's gachikois. Her fans are more pathetic than chumkeks

>>59820221
>lied to
no, she wasn't
stop whitewashing the bad cat
it's her fault alone

>>59823682
She need meds. Sad how she turned out. Could have been at pekolive with sankisei this december.

>>59824191
Who would win

The most superchatted vtuber in hololive worth millions in donations

Or

1 Discord Message

>>59824186
It is her fault, it's also just true that the fuckboy did his very best to make sure that she served her purpose for him. She's a gullible retard. In the end though, she still reached out to him first. She should have never even considered it in the first place after what she'd said. If she hadn't reached out, he would never have had a chance to fuck her over in the first place.

>>59824191
>She needs meds
She has them but refuses to take them
Not that I trust Japanese doctors for mental health treatment much, but she could at least try

>what do you call this behavior
being a woman

>>59820221
i call this my wife

>>59821306
The remaining fans are hardcore saciourfags that are attracted to her menhera outbursts

>>59824375
>>59820221
She was looking for women to play with in the tournament before she saw his recruitment tweet. The idea of partaking in the tournament would miraculously clear her reputation was already in her head. She's bipolar and when manic everything becomes black and white. In her mind that tournament was the ONLY way to save her. At that point nothing gets through to her, no logic or reason. Anyone who would disagree with that would only do so because they would not want her reputation to increase, hence they must be an anti. That is not to say it excuses her decision but it explains her reasoning. It was hurtful but not something she did out of malice.
Apologizing for telling kaigai off and collabing is tricky and risky. Both would most likely reignite the flames of drama, which is why the much safer way is doing what she is doing. It is up to the individual whether that is good enough as an indirect apology. Personally, I would prefer an actual apology as well but I do not think she is willing to take that risk.

>>59820434
At this point it's justified. I've been the most delusional man on the planet for years when it comes to her situation, but at this point she's her own nemesis, defending her for this behavior is purely retarded.

>>59823682
I was there when this happened. I'd seen her go off every time before this but this time was different. It was like a physical switch inside her brain had been tripped.

>>59820221
>what do you call this behavior?
High EQ, low IQ. Reminds me of my aunt honestly.

>>59820221
It's called "forgetting the point of being an idol and not being able to (or refusing to) rely on friends for good judgment and emotional support."

>>59820221
>>she believes every word like a retard
delusional as usual, she's old enough to make her own decisions.

>>59825813
Age is just a number. Even 12 year olds can be pretty smart to have babymaking sex with me.

>>59824430
She really does need meds, and maybe a good month in the mountains to rediscover herself
These are the actions of someone chaotically spiralling out of control and in need of a family, be it literal or impromptu

>>59825504
>reignite the flames of drama
realistically this would only happen if she did it publicly. Most of her apologies happened in unarchived membership casts and almost no details about those ever got out.

Rushia fags it’s time to come home to Niu.

>>59825995
Correct, but we both know how that will be met by her yesmen enablers. And how is an apology in an unarchived member stream going to reach the people it is meant for? Nonetheless I am hoping for it to happen.

>>59825504
Her thinking she could get into a tournament being run by the dude who is essentially the face of a corpo backed by Mafumafu is just straight up retardation on her part. That faggot was always going to tell them to fuck that bitch off the moment he saw her name.

>>59826243
if such an apology happened I know where to look. I don't expect one

>>59826282
>essentially the face of a corpo backed by Mafumafu
Oh my fucking god, she can't be THAT retarded, right? Surely she just missed that part.

I'm a Liker, but I don't think even I could handle Mike's brand of crazy

>>59826338
the blonde douche she keeps talking to is/was a mafu leech. she usually avoids the almao everywhere she can

>>59826243
Her yesmen don't have the balls to argue with her, honestly. And the few fans who are still around would be able to reach out or vaguepost enough to signal a change like that. Most older ex-fans have connections to other fans in some capacity anyway, in private discords or whatever. News like that would spread and usually she takes that route for her apologies so I can only assume she thinks it would reach people too.
I honestly think she's simply too retarded to realize that apologizing is a meaningful means of getting fans who left to come back.

>>59826338
>she can't be THAT retarded, right?
lol

>>59826282
She was invited to participate in the tournament the year before but declined because she didn't want her bad reputation to affect the tournament or hurt her fans. Ironic how the tables turned but also just goes to show how much she is suffering because her bad reputation and how desperate she's become to clear it.

>>59826338
Actually I got my tournaments mixed up, I was thinking of Vsaikyou but it was Apex Festival. It just had the face of Mafumafu’s corpo involved… As well as least one of member of said corpo and his bff soraru who is also involved with that corpo. So yeah, it’s obviously why she got booted, and she’s retarded for even trying.

>>59820221
>>only now starts to realize he lied to her
And then she's talking to him on Twitter like nothing ever happened. Was she manic when she did that too?

>>59826232
qrd?

>>59826484
there can be reasonablely big stretches between her big yabs. if she streamed anywhere as much as she does on twitcast her reputation would be a lot better by now

>>59826646
That's because of etiquette, it would be seen as rude not to reply to a congratulatory tweet and could potentially lead to more drama. If you look at her likes you will see that she liked the tweets of people who congratulated her and she replied to but not his.

Really makes me wonder just how bad she actually was behind the scenes at Hololive.

>>59826724
Fucking this
Her obsession with quick fixes always blows up in her face and yet the actual surefire way of improving her situation is literally just to stream and be good to her fans
But because it's long term her depressed add brain never manages to keep her on track and she ends up defaulting to coasting until she spots something she believes will instantly fix things

>>59826724
She doesn't stream as much on twitcast anymore and is focusing more on youtube now. The twitcasts in the past were less for the fans and more for the fans to keep her company and from falling apart. It wasn't content meant for the broader audience or to entertain for the most part. It is of course correct that it would have been better for her career and reputation but only so much is possible considering her mental and physical condition. That is to say I wish she was as paranoid while manic as she is when she isn't manic, it would have prevented this yab at the very least.

>>59826735
That's stupid, there's far more replies which had no response than those that did, she could have easily have just ignored his and, if anyone asked, gotten away with "Oh I just didn't see it". The rrats that spread from her replying to him and not replying to him on Twitter are about equal but only one of those actions shows that she thinks he lied to her.

>>59826797
A lot of the girls seemed generally broken up she went full retard. She seems nice, but is also crazy as fuck and needs a retard handler

>>59826934
Knowing her, she might have ended up thinking that telling him good luck with his new girlfriend might alleviate shitposting about how she is dating him. It was pretty strange of her to bring that days old tweet up.
And she's definitely dumb enough to think that it would help when all it did was make shit worse. It'd be about right given the track record of all of her previous plans; try to fix things in the dumbest possible way and have it backfire

>>59820221
sad

>>59820221
Mafumafu was a victim. Cover is a victim. Fandead are her victims. Orca kun status?

>>59820221
>Ex-gfe chubba
>Act crazy about dicks
>Refuse to apologize
>Number drop
>The cycle continue

she should have sex with the kaigai as repentance

>>59827367
>ex-gfe
anon, she has literally never stopped doing GFE
in one of her most recent twitcasts she specifically told her fans to not cheat on her by getting an irl girlfriend

>>59820221
mentally ill retard who needs meds immediately

>>59820221
Mental illness

>>59820221
>she blows up on her fans
>shouts "I won't let you take my happiness away"
>tells fans who rightly blew up over it to fuck off
>mocks fans who dislike it

How funny that the same kaigais that she once credited with keeping her alive and giving her a second chance are suddenly worth nothing to her, all because of one imagined slight. Nothing she says has meaning or weight behind it.

>>59820221
too long didn't read

>>59827736
It matters until she goes full schizo
she goes full schizo too often

I wish she would get help. Like actual physical help. At this rate it's only a matter of time before she ends up going schizo enough to do something stupid

>>59820221
She should start by educating her fans about her mental illnesses. She cannot expect the uninformed to be lenient or understanding if they are well ... uninformed
Not even most of her dedicated fans have made the effort to do that cause Asian

>>59827969
But she already did stupid thing multiple times

>>59827969
>At this rate it's only a matter of time before she ends up going schizo enough to do something stupid
A little late, don't you think?

>>59827912
You're not wrong

At this point I wonder if Miguel will be the first ex-massive hit in the Vtuber industry that will either get herself killed by some schizo or will hero herself and will get a national TV drama report over it.
Honestly, I am looking forward to it a bit.

I feel bad for her, she keeps trying to network with the worst people she can meet, it also doesn't help that her reactions are always blowing shit up everytime.
But that doesn't excuse the fact that the people who set her up are the biggest assholes.

>>59827969
She is getting help and seeing a doctor + taking meds. But it's not an illness that is curable by meds or counseling nor do they 100% keep her mind serene and herself 'in control' at all times. Bipolar people are going to do retarded shit and make awful decisions, that much is guaranteed.

>>59828238
>taking meds
she is not, she has said this
she's always had an aversion to meds and she isn't taking her current ones anymore

>Mafumafu
He should take responsibility and impregnate her already.

>>59828216
>I feel bad for her, she keeps trying to network with the worst people she can meet
Yeah lol, how can you be so good at manipulating paypigs and so bad at reading people you work with?

>>59826797
Probably the reason why Cover let her go so easily, got tired of tardwrangling.

>>59828402
I was not aware she stopped taking them. The last time she talked about it that I watched was one of her Nazuna streams 3 or 4 months ago

>>59828584
mentioned not taking them in a Twitcast not long after, few weeks or so

>>59820221
It’s ironic that the JP GFE has all the yabs considering people think JPs are pure hearted vs western girls.

>>59820878
What do you think managers are for? Hololive was great for her, not only because of the brand power, but because it gave her some structure. Some people can manage themselves or require just the bare minimum. People like her need someone to be leashed and handheld every step of the way. What a waste.

>>59828455
not more than any other mentally ill chuuba in holo
the mere prestige of working for a respectable, large company was enough to keep her in check
she wasn't even remotely in need of a tardwrangler back then as much as she is now
considering all the shit she is getting her condition understandably worsened a lot

i forgive her

>>59828681
JP also has more girls who don't stream

>>59820221
I was gifted her membership, but I can't find any gfe sex rp asmr.

>>59828701
Her new manager wasn't doing shit for her, quite the opposite actually. Some girls have the same manager and she was getting the short end of the stick. Her previous manager was a godsend however, which is why that one was promoted and unfortunately no longer directly in charge of talents

>>59828681
They have more everything good and bad there because Vtubers are an actual thing and culturally relevant there, not the novelty it is in the West with a side of twitch zoomers

>>59828681
Well at least JP audience have higher standard and homobeggar don't exist

>>59825813
>woman
>maturing
Now who's delusional?

>>59828822
I'm once again in awe of cover's ability to find dumb cute girls I like to watch and incompetent retards to manage them. where do they find all these smooth brains? it still amazes me that one of the reasons she got fired is because all the managers were out on a three day weekend

>>59828453
NTA but manipulating paypigs is easy, since a good amount of them are already emotionally dependent on her so they'll go back eventually, she basically has them grabbed by the balls and only some extraordinary event would cause all them to leave.
With the people with whom she works with, the relationship is of equals or even her being with less power due to her reputation, so she easily gets manipulated, especially when she zeroes in on an objective so hard she is willing to give and try everything to achieve it.

>>59820221
how many times is she going to hurt both herself and her fans before she at least tries to keep her schizophrenic behavior at bay?
And the not even apologizing part is fucking laughable, she can't even manage something as basic as that

>>59830169
She's not rational. She will never respond to something going wrong by stepping back and analysing the problem, or god forbid, looking at the past. It will always be a crazed knee-jerk. Whether a panic response or an angry lashing out. She will wallow, but not think, and then grasp at the first branch she sees.

>>59820221
jezas

Stop pushing that she was pursuaded into it. She wanted to do it with or without the permission of her fans. She went out of her way to argue her point and blatantly knew she was going to harm their opinion of her. If what she had done in the past wasn't the final straw for her fans, it was this that was.

>>59830557
Basically, dumb women. Think with feeling, not logic

Why does she keep believing in sleazy douches?

I mean, come on, KoreKore and Kirsch are such blatant liars. How can anybody with even a little bit of common sense trust them?

>>59823842
No one can save her, but we still love our menhera yandere gosling queen nonetheless. The yabs are part of the kayfabe storyline....at least that's what we'll tell ourselves.

>>59831345
>How can anybody with even a little bit of common sense trust them?

>>59831345
>anybody with even a little bit of common sense
lmao

>>59830557
>>59831292
Someone has to save her...

>>59831129
anon during her breakdown she literally said that he told her about how it would save her and bring tons of fans
it doesn't matter because whether she was persuaded or not it's still her fucking fault, it's just part of her whole schizo mess that she bought his shit but fundamentally everything that happened was her choice at every step

>>59831129
>>59831595
God, imagine how easy it would be to trick her into unprotected sex and then leave her alone with a child.

>this thread

>>59832111
what misinformation?

>>59832163
the misinformation in the thread, numbnuts

>>59829820
Nah, that take is disconnected from reality. It's not an uncommon take, but it's a starstruck attitude and completely misunderstands the power dynamic. Power comes from money which comes from your fans/boss and possibly some connections.
Fact is, streamers don't really need each other, especially once they're well known, but they tend to view each other as fellow members of an elite club. It's a naive outlook, because many streamers will abuse that mentality from their peers.

>>59831595
>>59831829
honestly yeah, sounds like she'd be dumb enough to fuck anyone making empty promises.

>>59832209
please quote the parts of it that are misinformation

>>59832679
too much work

>>59829587
>dumb cute girls
Dime a dozen in Japan
>incompetent retards
Same
>where do they find all these smooth brains?
Japanese society, education, and their dumb company recruitment process

Jesus, did she actually tell fans and kagai to fuck off or is OP exaggerating?

>>59833411
She did but in the context of people giving her shit and attacking her which she perceived as everyone overseas. She later on in that twitcast specified that she only meant the people insulting her and told them to not bother apologizing for their behaviour or coming back, then she proceeded to name a few of the 'good' overseas fans

>>59824430
>Not that I trust Japanese doctors for mental health treatment much
You shouldn't trust Japanese doctors for the common cold, let alone anything serious.

t. used to live in Japan, but had to go back to my own country to get decent medical treatment

>>59833629
One of whom is not an actual gachikoi for her and just gives her money because he can. The other she threatened into coming back to her.

>>59826706
She sounds exactly like Rushia (which is hilarious because she’s in Mafumafu’s corpo), does pretty good GFE when she wants too, she’d probably rake in the superchats if she had the Holo fanbase to milk. She does male collab though, but a lot of the time she just gets blown off even when she’s trying to be a tease.

>>59820579
That shit is legit Borderline-tier already, she should seek a new diagnosis

>>59828158
Hope she does JAV first.

>>59832309
There’s a reason one of her ex boyfriends was abusive, because he could get away with it.

>>59826382
Lia is a paragon of sanity compared to Mike

>>59820878
>>59828701
But based on what he said the problem began because she got obsessed with this guy on Apex and with the fact cover is pushing them towards shit like this it would’ve happened regardless

>>59828822
You don’t have to take the promotion though which a lot of managers choose not to. If she chose to leave her it means rushia was too much of a handful

>>59829587
You might be just as dumb if you have realized the discrepancy in your own words. They’re both dumb it’s just being dumb when you have a real job is worse

>>59834214
>You don’t have to take the promotion though which a lot of managers choose not to. If she chose to leave her it means rushia was too much of a handful
Complete bullshit. Nobody passes up a promotion to continue being a mere manager because they like the talents they are working with

>>59833006
it's not too much work, you're just lying about it being misinformation and you know damn well that it's true.

>>59833779
why would people who left over a male collab watch someone who male collabs

>>59834396
Not everyone left just because of males or because she's menhera and lashed out at fans.
I lost all respect for her choice of male collab partners just for a freaking tournament.
Even if she had no other way to take part in the tournament she should never have done a collab with human garbage like Kirsch or Niki.
If she wants people to come back then she has to acknowledge that mistake.

>>59825504
Does she have female friends besides kson (lesbian)?
Does she just not get along with the female gender?

>>59835426
We (the bunker) assumed sakupan but she seemingly had a falling out with her

>>59835426
She likes to say she doesn't have any friends at all but most she has female friends. Most of which she can't / doesn't want to publicly interact with because it would lead to drama or the girls getting attacked by her antis, or the girls themselves are too afraid for the same reasons (great friends but it is what it is). Aside from a single Tamaki collab and of course kson, she has only really publicly interacted with Muramako who already has a lot of spammers and antis in her chat.

>>59821726
I mean, I don't watch her and she's the most insane Vtuber I personally know anything about, but sure, she's got talent. She has a good voice, she can sing and dance and act well enough, she can be funny, the only thing that's ever kept her from being successful is her perpetual crazy bitch status.

>>59834681
fair enough
it was a multitude of factors for me personally but also if it wasn't kirsch there's a good chance that none of the drama would have happened in the first place too
ultimately my main issue is just that I don't understand how she expects her word to carry any weight anymore

>>59835814
>I mean, I don't watch her
>admts to being a threadreading dramamonkey
if only everyone else in this thread admits that as well

mikeneko should apologize to bears for the pain she has inflicted on the ursine people
mikeneko should then kidnap the bear, chain him to the ground, and spend 16 hours peeing on him until he begins speaking in tongues for the almighty father to bless this urinary ceremony under the bright harvest moon

>>59836582
fucking moron, how often are you going to use this excuse when it's abundantly clear that there are several ex-fans posting here
it's not even a secret that a bunch of kaigai fucked off it was even on twitter

THIS is literally entitlement. Like the actual definition of it instead of the buzzword version used to shut down people making fair and reasonable demands.

>>59836582
I gotta come clean, I'm also a drama monkey, I don't even know who this is.

>>59837467
Just some former NND whore

How are you guys doing?
Lately 5ch has been very inconvenient due to heavy hours.
By the way, the exchange between you and Kirsh on Twitter at the recent 900,000 celebrations was very funny.
I hope he and she will work well together for a long time.

This post is legitimately like 60% fanfic about how the ``based unicorns'' left Mike and now karma is biting her in the ass. It's not. She's doing completely fine and her viewers and superchats are still the same they were half a year ago. Karma isn't real and the world is not just.

>>59839110
Being an anti is not just in the first place.

so you're all melting down and consoling each other because your favourite streamer wanted to collab with another streamer (that you don't care for) and she told you that you were being a manchild when you made a fuss over it?
is that the sane interpretation?

>>59828719
she was just a set example, they most likely were tired of tardwrangling her, and that's why they let her go so easily, but because of that there's no major problems since then when it comes to holomembers drama etc. cause now they know the consequences

I miss Nazuna

>>59839326
If youre a dramafag you should probably go back and watch the vod from back in early september where got nearly 20k ccv. Not only does it prove OP right but its also peak menharacore and a fun watch (for the first half, she runs out of energy eventually)

>>59839490
if vshojo ever hires jp streamers she might come back. it's closing in on two years now

>>59835814
Her "talent" is GFE. Nothing more, nothing less.

I miss regular micheal cat threads here

>>59840489
I don't, they were shit

>>59839919
It seems like VShojo has no interest in recruiting and just relies on the streamers reaching out. So it suggests no JP streamers want to join VShojo, which makes sense seeing as they hired the two biggest dramafags in all of Japan. Maybe Henya's presence has rehabilitated their reputation a little bit and things might change in the near future.

>>59822394
Are there any clips for that? I want to hear the whimpers

>>59820221
I really wanted to love her, but she's too nuclear at moments for me...

>>59839110
If you'd been watching her, you'd know that she's admitted that her Fanbox memberships, Twitcast memberships and YouTube memberships are down.
She said at one point in September that she was down 2000 YouTube memberships compared to the previous month, which is about a million yen. Her 900k sub celebration stream peaked at 2400 viewers. Her Watermelon game stream peaked at nearly 5k at one point, but dropped below 2k even before she did Superchat reading. She has undoubtedly suffered losses and admits to it. She openly said all of the overseas fans are gone
Her Superchat donations did dip, but doing an ASMR stream and then celebrating 900k subscribers obviously resulted in a lot of donos. It'd be better to monitor averages for the next few weeks regarding donos
Anti Unicorns who are trying to pretend she hasn't suffered at all are far worse dramamongers than the Unicorns

>>59839919
Henya has been in the agency for like 5 months and is practically begging Nazuna to hang out with her.

>>59841790
Mikeneko invited Henya to an Apex collaboration and was ignored. People still collab begging for these two need to move on. Mikeneko has no real interest in streaming as Nazuna, and Henya isn't interested in doing a collaboration with Mikeneko.

>>59842208
>Mikeneko invited Henya to an Apex collaboration and was ignored.
I do not believe that.

>>59840489
Those are garbage

>>59842450
Neither do I, and I wouldn't put it past Henya to straight up not know Mikeneko

>>59820221
>what do you call this behavior?
Borderline Personality Disorder

>>59820221
Sounds like she has BPD... which she does
What's your mental disorder cause you seem like an absolute fucking schizo

>>59842450
>>59842545
Nazuna openly said on stream that Nekoko (Mikeneko) tried to invite a VShojo to Collab but they refused and only wanted to collab with Nazuna and it's 100 percent not Kson.
Also Mikeneko is far more (in)famous in Japan than Nazuna. Mikeneko's name was on the front page of Yahoo JP back in February 2022.It's as insane as suggesting that Henya wouldn't know that Kson was Coco

>>59842450
It was one of the reasons Mikeneko gave when trying to convince her kaigai unicorns to give her a pass on entering the Apex tournament with the two faggots. She presented it as a whole woe is me, I tried to find girls to play with and couldn't find anyone situation. She also vagueposted about it during her last Nazuna stream when she invited Geega to a Mikeneko collab.

>>59839490
Same
I don't recall any drama around Nazuna either (outside of that one collab with kson where out of 12 people like one or two were males and one was kson's translator since Coco days, and even then it was just same retarded fandeads who sperged out about this collab)

>>59840656
I guess there being no cons to being in vshojo wasn't enough for the japs

>>59842734
>Nazuna said
>a VShojo
I still do not believe that she made a real effort to invite Henya.

>>59842734
Keep in mind that Henya stated that Ina is the only Hololive member she even knows, so she seems to be a normie when it comes to VTubers, ironically enough

>>59820221
Cunnilingus with Mike

>>59842776
Clearly you're not paying much attention then because there's been a lot of drama around Nazuna
She even met Kirsch through Nazuna, joining his totsu was the first big "yab" she had after her return post-Feb

>>59842847
You're free to believe whatever you want if you can provide another candidate that is refusing Mikeneko Collab but is fine with Nazuna
You have to rule out Kson and Geega. Id also say rule out Mouse because she follows Mikeneko on Twitter last I checked
Or you can claim that Nazuna lied about the whole situation. Even with my half cynical view of her and after everything else that's happened, I still doubt that she'd like about that on stream for no reason

>>59842776
it's true there haven't been any big yabs from nazuna. the main problem on that account is almost every stream turned into an apex stream eventually. there was a karaoke stream where she started playing apex after she was done singing

>>59821685
I think she legit means it in the moment but being Bipolar means she will hate you in the mood swing. That woman is truly a nutbag in the saddest way.

>>59842776
One of the few VODs Nazuna ever deleted was shortly after joining Vshojo and talking about how let down she was versus her expectations. She also had that Elden Ring stream where she accused 3 of her fans of threatening her by name right after a Henya raid of thousands of people and only retracted the claim later in a members only twitcast with less than a hundred viewers. Oh, and we can't forget the time where she did a rant stream about unicorns that every single Vshojo manager and higher-up showed up to watch completely coincidentally.

>>59843146
didn't she lie on stream about being harassed by multiple of her top gachis? I wouldn't put it pass her to lie about contacting Henya if she was manic enough

>>59843289
She did and then broke down apologising for it in the same day because she realised how shitty she was acting and she was being encouraged behind the scenes to treat her fans like that
Also that was already a public issue by the time she started lying. The no Mike collab thing is a different kettle of fish
Also I know the answer sheet

>>59843385
I'd accept that as a one-time issue if I didn't have people in the know telling me she attempted to blackmail one of her big whales into coming back after the Apex tournament drama.

>>59843146
I do not believe that Nazuna's perspective can accurately reflect reality.

Here are just a few alternatives where she technically didn't lie:
1. The person never answered because they didn't recognize Mikeneko. >>59842870
2. She didn't refer to somebody in Vshojo and asked somebody else.
3. Mikeneko asked in a channel where her message wouldn't be seen.
4. The person actually answered but Nazuna didn't see it.

But even more so I'm interested to see if she will manage to collab with Geega after she signaled interest on stream.
If there was a bet, I would bet against it. (It won't be on Geega)

>>59843490
Apples and oranges
I freely admit she has acted like a spoiler cunt a lot in the past month. But I also know her better than most people on this board. Unfortunately she also knows me
If you want, maybe you start collab begging Mikeneko to all of the VShojo girls, see what reactions you get, and come to the verdict yourself

>>59843679
Collab requests are done behind the scenes, not on stream. Especially by an autistic retarded cat. She doesn't even bother publicly informing her fans about collab partners in advance
But you'd argue God until you were blue in the face, so let's just pretend it was Hime or something and we can get back to ignoring each other

>>59843902
Just don't pretend you know that Henya refused to collab with her.

>>59843987
I'll be looking forward to the Henya/Mikeneko collab soon

>>59843987
Nazuna said it and I'll take that over you just randomly denying it happened.

>>59844064
>>59844109
She didn't even want to collab with her when she was still streaming as Nazuna.

>>59844162
She had given up on Nazuna circa April, so no shit.
Considering VShojo's new hire was a male, I'm laughing at the idea that she had obviously been sold VShojo as "girl org" and then had to find out that they had lied about that as well

>>59844246
She was still streaming so that's not an excuse to ghost Henya.

>>59844162
An invitation was made and ignored. Nobody has any right to complain or continue the obnoxious collab begging.

>>59820221
Ameway baby

>>59844346
Sure. But there's no reason to lie that it's Henya's fault.

>>59820221
You can't change a menhera
You can't save a menhera
Menhera stops being cute and grow old
They remain menhera until they die

>>59844388
I don't know who else's fault it would be if she doesn't reply to her messages.

>>59844388
I don't hold it against her for not wanting to associate with some lunatic who ignored her for months

>>59844590
>>59843679

>>59844623
Neither do I but I still do not believe that happened.

>>59844623
Last I heard, Henya was still fine with collabing with Nazuna so she evidently isn't holding a grudge
Nazuna is who she's fine with collabing with, to be clear

>>59844763
And last I heard Mike has no problem collabing with people from Vshojo (Kson) and contacted "someone" from Vshojo but got turned down
So why haven't these two very enthusiastic people collabed with each other yet

>>59844763
More than that, she goes out of her way to translate all the signs in the company Minecraft server specifically for Nazuna, who has yet to log in AND has renamed her account already, it's downright tragic

>>59844839
I imagine for the same reason that Nazuna can collab with Tamaki, but Tamaki doesn't even follow Mikeneko
But Tamaki was following Nazuna pre-debut, so she must have been in contact with Mikeneko behind the scenes or else she wouldn't have been able to confirm Nazuna's identity pre-debut

>>59820221
Overly long schizo posting.

>>59844590
Mikeneko is a known menhera retard and Henya is a giant hypocrite who uses people before discarding them. Both are also massive liars, so there's no need to take a side here.

>>59844875
It's not tragic, Mike is just 99% done with VShojo and isn't going to stream on Nazuna just to do a collab with someone who should reasonably be free to do a Mike collab.
I don't blame her for being done with VShojo: it's a complete dumpster fire on the JP side to the point that Henya doesn't even call herself JP anymore

Despite what peoples headcanon may state the actual fact is she streamed as regularly as ever until a day or 2 before her 1 year anniversary in july. What happened then, I don't know and nobody else here seems to either. Since her 1 year anniversary passed in mid july without anything happening nazuna has done 3 twitch streams and kson has done 5.

>>59844576
You're weak willed. I WILL fix my oshi. And she WILL become semi normal. I don't care how many menhera episodes she has I'm not giving up on her.

>>59844875
What's tragic about distancing yourself from a job you dislike?

>>59844875
Henya's such a nice girl, shame it ended up like this

>>59844994
>Henya doesn't even call herself JP anymore
Did she ever? She seemed to just be presented as the new member of vshojo, not vshojo jp and was collabing with all the en members immediately. Even the lore video was just about her and zen.

>>59820221
menhera retard, pureasu andastando.

jokes aside, can't believe this all started because of some alien looking fag.

>>59820221
>GFE chuuba reaches out to a male
>male is at fault
Why are xittersisters like this? It's not the first time men were blamed for women's retardation.

>>59844875
>in the company Minecraft server
Its actually more sad when you realize that the server being used is the JP server made for nazuna, she played it a couple times such as during the dickson collab and has a wooden shack built into the side of a hill. Henya and zen convinced everyone else to play in nazunas server, and she got spooked by zen appearing once and then never logged in again.

>>59845669
It wasn't supposed to be a JP server, it was supposed to be a Vshojo-only server for everyone to use, it's just none of them used it because they were playing in the modded server

>>59845743
The modded server is the NA-based server and picked up the mods the members wanted. Nazuna wanted a JP-based vanilla server so they also got one for her. The NA vshojo server was also used for that apocalypse minecraft event that started with them getting spawncamped by vampires and ended with them getting spawncamped by zombies.

>>59845669
And now I remember the Rust server which was ALSO made for Nazuna, and she never logged into it

>>59845891
The only reason the "vanilla" server was "JP" based was that all of the mods on the modded server would have to be TLed into Japanese to be understood by her. She still played on it once or twice despite that handicap
It's not Nazuna's fault that the VShojo girls don't like vanilla Minecraft and it takes literally no effort to make a server, so don't pretend like this was some "super favour" that was being bestowed upon her.

>>59845984
You now realise that nu-Mysta is allowed onto the Rust server (at least, before they changed the rules and let anyone on it even though it was supposed to be a VShojo ie girls only server). Not surprised Nazuna washed her hands of VShojo all things considered

>>59845891
I don't remember Mouse describing the vanilla server as JP-based when she was bringing it up for the first time but alright fine, Vshojofags need to fucking correct absolutely everything for no reason

>>59846074
Don't just cope like that

>>59845891
Stop making shit up, it just makes me feel bad for you.

>>59846074
>Not surprised Nazuna washed her hands of VShojo all things considered
>collabs with 2 males on her own
Reminder that Vshojo never forced her to collab with males.

>>59846227
Again, she met Kirsch through Nazuna

>>59846074
Wasn't vshojo-rust back in early 2021?

>>59846132
The only thing I see from pro-VShojo shills is cope upon cope. I've really lost patience with how many times it needs to be said that
>Nazuna mentally checked out of VShojo for months prior to July, why would she interact with their facilities
Just accept the fact that the VShojo arc is over like the rest of us and either support her as her current persona or just oshi a different VShojo girl. Pining and whining about how she wasn't "grateful" to VShojo or something extremely dumb like this rather than just accepting that it didn't work out and moving on is literal insanity. It was clear from her debut that she had been sold some weird vision of VShojo that never panned out. Hell, I remember some /vsj/ regulars were joking about that themselves. It seems like you and a few other regulars just can't accept this for some reason, but it's beyond pointless.

>>59846300
Yeah on her own.
This Kirsch faggot has nothing to do with Vshojo.

>>59846074
all nu-Mysta has to do is invite her to an APEX tournament and she'll drop everything to join him

>>59846227
Say what you want about the retard, but if you read between the lines of several recent streams on Mikeneko, she's literally gone back to implying that no male collabs are the standard.
Might as well learn a bit about what mania makes a person do before you make a braindead take like this.

>>59846332
Well... kinda. But you'd need to learn a bit about JP staff to get it.

>>59846332
Blast Project (Kirsch's group) is managed by a person who was hired into VShojoJP as a managing member of staff.

>>59846307
You saying this doesn't make it a fact no matter how many times you say it. She streamed all the way up to july 15th, her hours were actually up at that point. There's an actual fact for you. Try to use those in future.

>>59843490
Blackmailed and succeeded. It has to be Akhevan. He stopped donating at one point but suddenly came back.

>>59846387
>if you read between the lines
This means -things she never said but you imagined she did because you're a schizo
Meds.

>>59846507
Off the top of my head
>said she had no interest in male collabs - Twitcast
>during a moment of depression about kaigai being gone, said she was considering "changing direction" by joining a streamer server (this didn't happen in the end)
>got annoyed at someone asking when she'd collab with men again, acknowledged she has fans who wouldn't like it

>>59846307
I will if she officially quits Vshojo and hasn't changed her Mikeneko model by then.

>>59846387
Good. That collab was a mistake.

>>59846436
Nice mental gymnastics. This faggot is further away from Vshojo than Shondo.

>>59846441
She streamed right up until just before a year with the group and then basically dropped all streaming activity on Nazuna

>>59846610
Nice goalpost shift.

>>59846300
Did they force her to collab with Kirsch?

>>59846639
Lol, I didn't.

>>59846638
Yes. That is exactly what I said. Thanks for repeating it back to me so that I know you understood.

>>59846649
No, just one of the people bought in to manage VSJP might've suggested she join a Fall Guys tournament hosted by one of the guys he managed from another group which led to a series of events which brings us to this present moment in time where the same guy is responsible for the biggest yab she's had since February
It's like joining Vshojo was a rash decision made in the immediate aftermath of her being fired from her previous job and she didn't put in an adequate, or any, research into the company and it turned out to not really be all that suitable of a place for her in the end because their brand and business MO are either contradictory to what she wants or unsuitable for someone as unstable as her who can't manage herself, or something.

>>59846610
>Nice mental gymnastics. This faggot is further away from Vshojo than Shondo.
No, he certainly wasn't at that time. He was hired by them and even did Q&A stream on Twitch about VShojo and Blast Project.

>>59846838
But, y'know, I miss Nazuna guys! When's the tenshi gonna stream again :(

>>59820221
an actual retard. she needs a handler to do the critical thinking for her otherwise she will eventually end up dead

>>59846848
I was talking about Kirsch.

>>59846838
>she didn't put in an adequate, or any, research into the company
There was practically no information about vshojo in japanese available back then so not like she would have found anything but the most basic information anyway

>>59846829
I love it when Nazuna only EOPs try to lecture me about how I don't understand her situation
I love the unbridled arrogance of Nazuna only EOPs who seem to think that she was in love with VShojo and then just suddenly stopped streaming to switch over to Mikeneko with absolutely no build up, foreshadowing, or hints that this was going to be the case eventually soley, and purely, due to the fact that she didn't outright 100% quit VShojo
I especially love it when they act like she should be grateful to VShojo and that her current actions are somehow some sort of betrayal to the precious corporation or are misguided. It's honestly the best.

>>59847040
I love the mental illness of schizos who "read between the lines" and decide she said something she never did. Hell you're even making up stories about me saying things now. It's a real talent you've got there schizbro.

>>59846978
And the post you replied to was talking about a vshojo employee you was also Kirsch's boss at the time

>>59847164
Yeah, that doesn't change the point I was replying to, though.

>>59847136
Any human language and interaction inherently requires you to read between the lines if you are incapable of doing that it's literally a skill issue

>>59847270
And hearing voices that aren't there is a sign of schizophrenia. Take your meds.

>>59847215
Also doesn't change the point that anon was making nor is it of relevance of close Kirsch is to vshojo
Also also saying _this_ implies you are talking about the person that the post was about (@iwataiki). He still has Strategy Advisor @VShojoJP in his bio btw

>>59847326
>s-schizo t-t-take your meds
You could have just said you have severe autism.

>>59847326
I'm bored, so here's a riddle.
What exactly is your solution to the whole, "Nazuna told fans to hold off on donating in June until August" thing? The original cope given me was "she wants people to save for her anniversary stream" but
>didn't even do one
>was still releasing merch on Mikeneko
Can you explain that one for me?

>>59847425
>nor is it of relevance of close Kirsch is to vshojo
Kirsch has no official connection to Vshojo at all.
So yes, that's relevant to the point I was making.
If Nazuna learned about him with that employee it was purely in an unofficial manner out of Nazuna's curiosity and certainly not imposed by Vshojo.

>>59847576
Nobody said anything about imposing, or forcing, or ordering
The whole point being here is that the connection between the two wouldn't exist without VShojo. Considering the most likely theory is that Iwataiki was the one who made Nazuna aware of him and that Iwataiki was an employee of VShojo at this time and that the advise was about how to interact with the other VShojo girls, it's a very very reasonable assumption that without VShojo, Nazuna wouldn't be aware of Kirsch's existence
Not blocking him is entirely her own fault, but the seeds were likely sown by VShojo

This is so cute, but I'm still not coming back.

>>59847576
It was a VShojo employee in the position of 'Strategy Advisor' and former COO of Anycolor who suggested and advised her to do it. Doesn't help that she had complained about her medication not working and being unable to sleep for several days before that happened so it probably didn't take a lot to sell her on the idea or anything that would have come from someone like him.

>>59847749
Learning about the existence of a male isn't hard or something you can reasonably blame them for.

>Not blocking him is entirely her own fault
This is where it should have ended.

>>59847845
>who suggested and advised her to do it
Stop lying. I know you won't provide evidence.

>Top 5 super chatted chuuba for September
>900k subscribers on her yt channel
> Has three different revenue sources from Nazuna, Mikeneko and her Seiyuu career.
> Has the Taiwanese Market favor with Kson
Keep seething

>>59847916
Circumstantial evidence is more than enough, stop being a retard, anon.

>>59847916
The reason she gave for joining his totsumachi back in August was that she wanted advice on how to interact with the other VShojo girls and the only reason people could figure out why she would choose this particular person is that the strategy advisor of VShojoJP at the time was also managing this person's group.
It's a no brainer. No hard proof, but it's the most likely assumption. It can be claimed pretty easily as the most likely turn of events

>>59840489
Go to Shiori's, same people, different grifter

>>59848005
>Circumstantial evidence
>No hard proof
Cool. Now take your meds.

>>59847555
Why don't you tell me your answer to this riddle. Knowing of course that vshojo don't get any of that dono money and that she streamed as much in the first half of july as she did in most full months. I just deal in facts like the ones I posted here
>>59845026
I'll leave the speculation to you

>>59847957
>> Has the Taiwanese Market favor with Kson
The Taiwanese are almost consistently her worse fans and the ones who spend more of their time starting fights with other fans rather than supporting her
I do not exaggerate when I say that if she had just done a few Bilibili streams back last year, her fanbase would be a far more healthy place than it is now.

>>59848284
I know the answer but if you're not going to guess, you don't get to know
The moment you stop "thinking", you resign the right to call yourself a human being.

>>59848345
Cool, so you made shit up again and convinced yourself it was a fact. While you're doing all that thinking you really should think about those meds you so desperately need.

>>59848168
Talking to you is like talking to a child.
It's pointless, you lack the required conversational skills and intelligence for an argument.

>>59848427
It's just that you're not even willing to entertain even potentially speculating about the idea that she might not actually like VShojo that's hilarious.
Like if you spent any amount of time using your brain, watching Mikeneko, thinking outside the box or whatever, it'd be obvious there was dissatisfaction. You're overly narrowing in on "hours streamed" and conflating this with "satisfaction towards VShojo" but they're separate things while ignoring anything else outside of your view
You're not even willing to guess why she might say not to donate to Nazuna because doing so would force you to admit that maybe she just didn't like streaming on Nazuna.

This is why female streamers need a label, because they're bound to self destruct under their own retardation without one.

>>59847555
>didn't even do one
But she did.

>>59848626
Where did I say any of that? Or were you just reading between the lines again?

>>59820221
menhera do menhera things, nothing to see here.

bros how long is a salad good for at room temp? i just ate one and it tasted a bit funky but i was hungry so i ate it anyways. am i gonna die?

>>59849588
Go to bed anon, if you stay up too long you'll be late for class again. 3rd grade's important!

>>59849644
if it wasn't discolored you're fine

>>59847030
the ad campaign they ran in japan didn't help at all. the ads weren't even in japanese

>>59849588
All I'm really waiting for is for you to activate your brain and draw up a theory that somehow accepts the idea that Nazuna did explicitly say to her fans on Nazuna in June not to donate until August that somehow also does not imply that she wasn't fond of VShojo/streaming on Nazuna at this point in time
You've been able to come up with a few (inaccurate) theories to explain away other signs, but this one in particular seems impossible for you.

>>59849218
Are you counting that 3D stream as an anniversary stream?
It looks like it was intended to be, but it was aired a month late. And I do mean "aired", in the sense that from what I could tell, basically every part of it was pre-recorded.
She didn't even react to any clips of it for over a month afterwards. It was so halfassed and was over in about 40 minutes, it was really fucking hilarious. If that's what people were supposed to be saving their money for, it definitely didn't seem like it.

>>59849951
How does that imply anything of the sort when vshojo gets a merch and sponsor cut and 0% of donos and subs? I'm not trying to explain away anything, I'm looking for an actual explanation.

>>59850151
You're completely missing the point. The "actual" answer here doesn't matter. The point is that no theory exists that explains this behaviour that doesn't imply that she wasn't fond of VShojo/Nazuna. You'll just deny whatever I say out of hand as you have been doing for months (it's really obvious that you're one of the very few dedicated autists who have been shilling VShojo constantly, your argumentation style hasn't change)
Christ Almighty, you're useless. If you don't draw up a good theory, I won't even give you a hint

>>59850113
>It looks like it was intended to be, but it was aired a month late.
Kson has hers even later, so yes.
Also you don't have to be such a hater. It was a pretty nice stream imo.

>>59850308
Holy shit, now the convo that's been going on for a few posts has been going on for months. How are you this mentally fucked up??? I haven't even said anythoing good about vshojo. If my argumentation style seems familiar it's because everyone who sees a post from you thinks you're fucking insane.

>>59850386
It was good because of Nazuna.
>intended to be
The reason I say this is that the Tweet advertising it just said 3D debut. I don't think Nazuna mentions the anniversary at any point. The only people who did were the three people who sent in videos, which leads me to believe that these were originally sent in on her anniversary, but because she didn't do a stream, they were repurposed and added to her 3D stream. Nazuna doesn't "react" at all to the videos because the stream was prerecorded

>>59850151
you are arguing with anon who desperately believe "vshojo bad" not only that he most likely think all that happened to mikeneko, the male collab, or menhera meltdown is also vshojo fault, because reasons.
Simple truth is, she thought vshojo would be like hololive, it's not, also she is bound to twitch for some reason(most likely her own rule to not interfere with Mikeneko persona on youtube), so she fucked off on indefinite hiatus. Also she is the master of excuses, and it appears the saying fans reflect their oshi is true

>>59850486
Most people aren't in complete denial of reality
Look, just write your own theory as to why Nazuna might ask people not to dono. Jesus Christ, it cannot be this hard. The only reason you're refusing is that no theory can be drawn up that makes it seem like she actually liked streaming as Nazuna/VShojo at the time of saying it when her behaviour as Mikeneko directly contradicted the "don't donate" instructions

>>59845056
It's imposible not even Emiya Shiro can fix mikenegro

>>59850513
The first time she mentioned being bound to Twitch, it was in the context of a stream that was complaining about VShojo. There's 0 chance it was a self imposed rule
On top of that, what Kson and Loutlot said about it also imply it wasn't her own choice

>>59850501
So it's your personal interpretation despite her receiving anniversary congratulations for it.

>they were repurposed and added to her 3D stream
Why do you think the 3D wasn't planned as her anniversary stream? What else could it have been made for?

>>59850665
>Why do you think the 3D wasn't planned as her anniversary stream
>https://twitter.com/AmemiyaNazuna/status/1692790652030042536
Because at no point in the stream or in her Tweets does she call it an anniversary. Did you actually watch it?
If she doesn't call it an anniversary, why would I assume it is one?

>>59850513
She thought of vshojo what they told her it is and would be, she had no other reference but what they had told her.
My favorite remark she's made about VShojo was after she had a business meeting with bilibili and praised them for their honesty about what is and wouldn't be possible unlike another company from overseas.

>>59850564

>>59850486
NTA, you're 100% the same anon. A small child could recognize you among thousands. There really is only one vshojo shill as autistic as you.

>>59850792
I watched it and saw the anniversary congratulations she received.
I guess not having an extreme bias and schizophrenia helps too.

>>59851082
Right, the people who sent in videos said "happy anniversary". Did Nazuna respond to them?
She literally said nothing. She turns around at one point, all of the videos play, and then it goes to the last part of the stream. She doesn't react since the stream was pre-recorded and the anniversary videos were just added on.
That does not make it an anniversary. If you want, ask Nazuna next time she streams about her last anniversary stream and see if she can even figure out what you're talking about.

>>59820221
at least her model is hot.

>>59851172
You think Nazuna was completely clueless when they prepared that stream? Zero say in the matter or ability to ok it?

>>59851276
Nazuna does not say the word "anniversary" once during the stream
There is no evidence to suggest that she even watched the stream
Her first tweet about the stream was over a month after.
I do genuinely believe that Nazuna just treated it as 3D debut. My response to Kson saying "anniversary" when watching it live back in August was not
>I'm glad Kson is congratulating her
it was
>wait, is this supposed to be the anniversary stream? Nazuna didn't mention it once and doesn't react to anyone
If you're asking me if I think VShojo added those videos in after she had recorded everything because she just didn't bother doing an Anniversary stream to cover their own asses, the answer is yes. Timestamp a single instance in that stream where Nazuna calls it the anniversary. Or maybe in the thumbnail? Or in the Tweet? Or afterwards? Or literally anywhere

>>59851511
>There is no evidence to suggest that she even watched the stream
Pardon
Live. There is no evidence to suggest that she was watching it live. I assume she went back to watch it considering she did Tweet about it (in September)

>>59851511
Then why is she acknowledging the videos and said they made her happy?

I still find kinda funny that Mikeneko left her Nazuna account, annoyed with her low viewership and with Twitch itself. Only to have a huge drama that almost put her in Nazuna's numbers and then start streaming on Twitch as Mikeneko and end up as a 3view.

>>59851694
I think the mental gymnastics around Mikeneko streaming on Twitch were kino.

>>59851643
She didn't make a single comment during any of the videos. So are you assuming she watched in complete silence?
Then at the end she just says, "I'm really happy, thank you everyone" in the most blatant pre-recorded way. Everyone. Three people sent in videos, why didn't she name them? Why didn't she make a single "unique" comment about them?
I feel like I'm dealing with a child. Do you think that stream was live? Do you think she was dancing and talking and singing in her apartment in the middle of the night in 3D gear and did everything in one take? Holy fucking dimwit.
Compare the way she reacted to the videos she got sent during her birthday stream (which was live) where she's actually talking over the videos and reacting to the radio dead silence of that 3D live and tell me she was fucking watching those videos.

>>59820221
>tells off people asking for male collabs
I don’t doubt this happened, but can someone still provide me with some examples of this?

>>59851802
I'm genuinely convinced some part of her thinks going on Twitch and playing Apex will bring in more kaigai viewers despite it being a 5ch meme that her kaigai hate Apex and that she gets basically nobody outside of her core fanbase watching those streams.
It does genuinely annoy me that she's managing to consistenly try to stream on Twitch once a week just to play Apex when it has absolutely no benefits to her career or reputation one way or the other (and is basically just further pushing her reputation as an "Apex woman")

>>59851891
What else would she be thanking for?
She clearly knew she would get some congratulations for her anniversary.

>>59852017
It wasn't an anniversary. Maybe if it was, she would have said the word anniversary at least once during the 40 minute stream
You get congratulations for 3D debuts too, anon. At least in Hololive you did

>>59820579
>the chasing numbers shit is just going to destroy her
She's already been destroyed. No one in all of vtubing has ever had a fall from grace even close to her. Rushia went from being arguably the most popular vtuber to a literally who. Even Coco and Kizuna who have had a huge loss of popularity did so mostly of their own volition. Even if no one pays attention to them anymore, everyone still fondly remembers their legacy and looks up to them as pioneers of vtubing. Rushia on the other hand was abruptly fired and publicly disgraced. Not to mention that after the termination, she quickly went on to dramapost on twitter nonstop and start fights against small unrelated personalities like Delutaya.
There are many metrics to gauge who the most popular vtubers in the world were, but very few people would argue that Rushia, Coco, and Kizuna haven't been at the top during their time. All three of them are no longer active, and all three of them were involved in controversy. The difference is that only Rushia will be remembered forever as a pathetic snake in the grass. All the good things she's ever done, all her talent, hard work, etc will be overshadowed by her downfall. No other vtuber in history comes close or ever will come close. Her current incarnation as Mikeneko is nothing but a doomed enterprise.

>>59852130
>start fights against small unrelated personalities like Delutaya.
As someone who knows too much about that situation, Delu making that a public bitch fight and then openly admitting that she knew it would get Mikeneko harassed was a massive cunt move. The fact that nobody, even 5ch, knew about it until Delu made it public should tell you who was the one looking for a fight

>>59852084
So you're saying she never saw the videos of her getting congratulated to her anniversary?

>>59851915
OP is probably talking about what she said during the 900k endurance stream.
I don't have a timestamp so you will have to look for it yourself or hope for someone else to.

>>59852186
>As someone who knows too much about that situation
You mean as somebody who will take anything Mikeneko says as a fact.

>>59820221
it's not her fault she's retarded...

>>59852223
Yes

>>59852403
That would be sad.
But I don't think it's true.

>>59852263
And that took place after she did that male collab with those two guys a month or so ago? any chance you’ll let me know what she said? A direct quote would be nice but you can paraphrase if that’s easier

>>59852332
Delu has gotten in shit before for running her mouth about another big Vtuber. The idea that Delu had to make a public spectacle out of it instead of just asking Kson to get Mikeneko to unblock her is ludicrous. It's not fucking hard to negotiate an unblock out of Mikeneko considering that I've had to do it myself before. It's easy as piss.

>>59852467
Sorry but am I wrong? You're not a neutral observer. You're a obsessed gachikoi.

>>59852456
From what I remember some greyname (obvious anti) said she should do more male collabs. She responded by saying he would find it funny (to use it to make fun of her) but her fans would not

>>59852521
Whether I'm a gachikoi or not is literally in a box and we're not opening that box for a while.
Basically everyone I've seen bat for Delu in this case has been a retard who barely understood it. Mikeneko all but implied she had video/audio evidence of Delu slandering her and yet still refused to namedrop her. 5ch couldn't figure out if it was true. None of the matome websites even mentioned it because nobody was paying attention to an unarchived members guerilla stream full of vagueposting.
It was only after Delu stirred up shit publicly that people turned against Mike, and what was even funnier is that everyone assumed Mike was planning to sue Delu because....Mike told Delu to let the lawyers deal with the evidence. You know, because she was severely criticized in February for trying to do shit herself so this time she let a qualified professional handle stuff without it going to a court of law?

>>59852130
I think the difference between Coco and Rushia is how they took their loss of popularity.
I don't follow Kson closely, but from what little I've seen, she hasn't tried to clout chase her way into the numbers she's had as Coco or trying to get a model that resembles Coco to try and bring back the nostalgia of her Hololive days. She just accepted her place and is working on her own stuff, having accepted that her Hololive days are behind her.
With Mikeneko it's the opposite, she played that Marine game knowing that it would cause a huge influx of tourist views, same with the Korone game, I don't put it past her to play as Rushia when Gen 3 is added to Holocure neither, her model is very similar to pink Rushia, and then there was the Apex tournament debacle where she put a lot on the line to participate and it backfired completely.
If Mikeneko just accepted that her glory days of Hololive are over and that it'll be almost impossible to reach them as Mikeneko, then I honestly believe her fall from grace wouldn't be as bad.

>>59852741
Sounds like Mikeneko should've just kept her mouth shut if she wasn't planning to do anything with the audio recording

>>59852657
Interesting, and this was after she did the male collab cause of the whole apex tournament thing a month ago? I’m just trying to understand the full timeline of events

>>59852820
Funny enough, if that apex tournament thing didn’t happen, she probably would have kept inclining, but she really fumbled the bag.

>>59852856
Mikeneko has to be literally stark raving manic/mentally ill to do the shit she did.
Unfortunately, her bipolar disorder is far worse than what people assume. Most of her fans don't understand it and choose not to.
Keep in mind that she had already mentioned in a stream a week or two before this that she had no interest in doing male collabs.

>>59852521
I am a former fan of both Delu and Mike, less of Delu because she was less active. Mike didn't start a fight or anything like that, she didn't even name Delu or hint at her during that twitcast. It is true that Mike unintentionally started the whole mess and is at fault for that for sure but Delu immensely exaggerated it and not only made it public a month later but lied in her fanbox post too. This was not only a nothing burger, it was already completely out of the very few people's minds that knew of it, aside from Delu's.

>>59852847
The whole point of that stream was that she was going through a lot of shit and the basis of her complaints was basically
>I get treated like a criminal even though people who slander others are treated fine
It was never meant to leave that stream, but someone tattled to Delu. She held onto the evidence in case she was sued, which makes sense
She literally said afterwards that she didn't want to be the type of streamer who interferes with the streaming activities of others and that it didn't really matter in the end since no matter what way the incident unfolds, people would turn her into the villain. Which is what has basically happened
I don't think Delu gets enough shit for basically instigating harassment against Mike, to be honest. Delu knows what it feels like. She literally confirmed on Fanbox that she knew 100% it was going to cause Mikeneko to get harassed and seemed basically fine with it. Reading her fanbox post and then seeing the full situation from both sides, you realise just how much info Delu deliberately leaves out to create the impression that she was the victim.

>>59852856
Yes, the 900k endurance stream was like last week

>>59852820
I'm never going to understand how this board convinced itself that Kson/Coco are some kind of number fiends when that bitch made her entire career about deliberately ignoring trends and doing dumb streams playing weird shitty games that she likes instead.

This thread is depressing

>>59853221
Implying another former Holo was caught slandering her and saying she had evidence was always going to get out, you'd have to be incredibly retarded to think it wouldn't.
It made sense for Delta to ask her what the fuck she was talking about and to try and get this so called evidence, how could she trust Mike to never do anything with it? They don't know each other.

>>59854362
The contents of that stream were so vague that most people didn't realise. Again, it wasn't public until a fan ratted out to Delu.
You're also just operating under the assumption that Delu wasn't actually doing it, despite her track record. If you want to have an "impartial" view of those events, you'd best abandon that narrow minded way of thinking
Mike had been sitting on that evidence for quite some time, too. I don't even disagree with Delu reaching out to her to discuss it, it was dragging it out into public when things didn't go her way which is basically unforgivable. Again, Delu agreed to let Mike block her. She has contacts with Kson. If she wanted to continue in private, she very well had that option. Because what it ends up looking like is that Delu weaponsied the public to throw pressure on Mikeneko in order to get her way, which really isn't a good look at all
>They don't know each other.
They don't and yet Mike still sent Delu messages back when she left Holo because she was concerned about her getting flamed.

>>59854362
She didn't imply anything about another former Holo.
The evidence was from years ago when she was Rushia and before Delu was briefly in Holo.
It doesn't make any sense for Delu to even assume Mike would do anything with it at that point.
And if you're speaking about trust. Why would Mike trust Delu with it when Delu herself admitted and showcased that she isn't trustworthy? Delu DMed fans for the archive of the twitcast and one of her translators literally infiltrated vshojo and joined Mike's twitcasting to record and leak any future twitcasts to Delu.

>>59853023
>>59853232
Wow ok, i thought she was gonna 180 but i didn’t expect it to be such a non-event when it happened. I just assumed there’d be a dozen threads on here talking about it

>>59854880
>literally infiltrated vshojo and joined Mike's twitcasting to record and leak any future twitcasts to Delu.
proof?

>>59854923
Majority of this board does not watch streams
The reason why a bait thread wasn't made about it was that at this point, the issue isn't really about her direction. People sort of figured out already that she probably wasn't going all in on the male collab route within the first week after her hiatus.
Re-read the start of the thread. The main issue people have with her is that she lashed out at her fans and hasn't apologised for that. That's not to say that she still thinks she's right. She also seems generally willing to reconcile with "individual" fans who have caused issues to an extent. But her current strategy of memoryholing the worst parts and just continuing on has left a lot of people with a poor taste in their mouths, espeically with no real "concrete" action.
If she apologised, blocked those faggots and took down the VOD, she'd probably regain a bit of goodwill. She can't "just" stream as normal and try to win people back because the people most upset aren't watching her.
Personally I'm in the "she'll never apologise" camp so I'm just watching her knowing she'll continue to decline, whatever yab she pulls in a few months time will destroy even more of her fanbase and it'll just loop over and over until she finally settles down a bit mentally in a few years or just outright retires.

>>59855169
Guy's name is Vee. He's one of Nazuna's TLs
He TLs Delu's streams

>>59855428
ok? I'm asking for proof of this
>literally infiltrated vshojo and joined Mike's twitcasting to record and leak any future twitcasts to Delu.

>>59855169
Take a look at who started to translate some of her Nazuna streams after that twitcast had happened (Yoshimi / Vee). That guy had made negative and insulting remarks about Mike in the past.
As for the twitcasting, he commented in one of her member streams and in another one saying 'see you in court'.

My personal rrat is that guy is or was trying to groom Delta, got overprotective of her and probably talked her into stirring shit up. I don't think Delta would have done what she did without outside influence of someone turning this into something it wasn't.

>>59855469
NTA but Vshojo hired some translators to live translate her streams, he's one of them, other anon is grossly exaggerating their job as if they are full on vshojo employees rather than dudes in the chat. And Nazuna doesn't give the slightest shit since she can just ban him but doesn't.

nekofami continue to be one of the most unhinged and schizo fanbases out there
Mike truly has brainwashed them all

>>59855469
Delu told Mike in their Twitter DM's the names of the two people who gave her the archive. Mike said she recognized one of them from her work and that he had joined her cass membership.
Also >>59855509

>>59855682
She can't ban him because he isn't "her" TL, his contract is with VShojo
Should be obvious because VShojo did all of the advertisement for TLs and her Mikeneko streams have never had a TL. If he was in her pocket, she'd likely have them TL her YouTube stuff
My own personal rrat for why he wasn't fired for leaking Mikeneko's membership stuff was that VShojo kept him around in case he could convince Delu to join and that suited him just fine.

>>59855883
it's her channel she can do whatever the fuck she wants

>>59855811
Sounds like you're making shit up to me, this is the first I've heard of this.
I would ask for proof but I know the song and dance with Nekofami.
>proof?
>it's in an unarchived/members only cast from months ago, just trust me bro