/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

attaboy Kuro, lets get that bag!

>>59760627
I agree, youtube should make all videos and streams protected by youtube premium.

>>59760627
what's being stolen, exactly?

You cannot steal something that isn't physical. Intellectual property doesn't exist.

>”talent freedom”
>every time results in a shitload of react content
what is this phenomenon called

>>59761299
try say that in court.

If XQC, AKA the biggest English speaking streamer in the world can do react content without getting in trouble then nobody is going to care if some dog boy twink does it either. It’s lazy and garbage content but until the top streamers or Twitch itself gets into hot water over it then it’s here to stay. Why does this sound like some seething former Mysterio sister that has never seen a Twitch stream before? kek

>>59760627
imagine being so talentless that one of your first streams after debute is tiktok react content
>>59761848
they don't get in trouble because smaller creators don't have the money to take these people to court and twitch has no way or reporting this kind of shit, retard

>>59761293
Their views revenue

>>59762400
would they get the views otherwise?

Reaction videos are fucking shit and bottom of the barrel. Congrats on becoming another shitter lmao

>>59761293
Not much, A lot of people say that they get their views stolen but only a little sometimes it usually boost their views more than stealing, but in the end reaction content is just lazy so it's a win lose situation.

>>59761942
This would probably hold some weight if top streamers didn’t also stream copyrighted content in too. XQC streams popular TV shows all the time. The most that happens is that the streams get taken down and the streamer gets told not to do it again. React content is garbage and here to stay.

They really are a vtuber retirement home. No need to put effort into making interesting, creative content anymore. Just kick back, relax, and react to meme videos and ylyl.

>Piracy is illegal
>But just streaming other peoples content isn't

why is this board so whiny about people stealing videos or whatever?
same with sharing member streams or restreaming paid concerts

>>59763846
Unironically because most corpos can't abuse it.

>>59760627

>>59760627
Why are Nijifags attacking Kuro now when he is in an (arguably) better place and getting better result? Focus on supporting your own livers first

>>59761405
Being a lazy retard enabled by twitch retards

>>59761293
The impression. The react is a reupload of someone else's video with very little to justify its existence. If the reaction video did not exist the video's space in the recommended feed would be original content and the time spent by the viewer would go to someone else who makes original content.

>>59763676
nah the bigger streamers complained when their golden goose catches wind and comes down hard on them, hells kitchen for example was something that was streamed a lot but the rights holder caught wind

If Hololive EN girls could coast on react streams you know they would

It's the Twitch meta.

>>59762400
>>59765252
Curious, how do you then justify vtubers or streamers in general who play games?
They're not really transforming the content in any real meaningful way, every action they take or could take is decided by the limitations of the game by the developers.

How are you going to say it's stealing to react to vids when playing games for viewers is the same thing?
Depending on the type of game as well, you're even preventing sales, which ACTUALLY takes away money from devs, things they need more than shitty meme makers.

Where exactly do you draw the line?
Effort in content? Only competitive players put in effort, 90% of streamers play for fun, meaning they don't put effort, no more effort than a react stream.

>>59765486
Gura literally said this and it made me really annoyed.

>>59765555
maybe if Gura could do react streams she'd actually stream more than twice a month

>>59765545
This is retarded. There are people who literally only stream a single game their whole career at least once a week and still find new things they haven't seen before. The experience of playing a video game is very different from watching someone else regardless.

>>59765545
they're playing the game, it's their actions that are progressing the game. i remember seeing a shylily clip on my feed of her reacting to a video. 24 minutes video (both the clip and the video she was reacting to), she said a total of 20 words in that entire clip, and none of those words added anything.
playing a game is transformative as without the streamer there, the game is not played, it requires input from the streamer. even someone like DSP is still providing a transformative lens to the game

>>59765696
>There are people who literally only stream a single game their whole career at least once a week and still find new things they haven't seen before
You're right, THEY find it. They didn't invent it, they didn't create it, they didn't add anything into the game that wasn't already there.

>The experience of playing a video game is very different from watching someone else regardless.
Not really because like I said with the competitive player example, unless they're a pro you're not watching for gameplay, you're watching for the reactions to events/jokes they make/cute things they do/how they interact with chat, gameplay takes a back seat

>>59765967
>they're playing the game, it's their actions that are progressing the game
But they didn't make the game, they're following the game along a line laid out for them by the devs, in the same way a video follows a flow of time start to beginning, so do games. Whether someone watches a 5 minute video but takes and hour to watch it or plays a 10 hour game over 50 hours, it's still according to creators plans in either case.
>i remember seeing a shylily clip on my feed of her reacting to a video. 24 minutes video (both the clip and the video she was reacting to), she said a total of 20 words in that entire clip, and none of those words added anything.
And many times during both holojp and holoen many times during stream they'll just cease talking for periods of time.
And for many times during stream, the streamer isn't saying anything meaningful.
I don't care if the streamer talks for a total of 5 hours during a 6 hour stream, if nothing meaningful or entertaining was said, how is it functionally different from not saying anything?
That's just a scummy way to bypass the "transformative" argument, yeah you added something to gameplay, but it wasn't entertaining and it wasn't meaningful.
>it requires input from the streamer. even someone like DSP is still providing a transformative lens to the game
But games are easy to play, requiring input doesn't matter if it's brainless shit anyway.
You don't even have to be good and try either, how many holos quit dark souls, sekiro, elden ring without beating it?


All these argument are basically arguing that gaming just barely passes the threshold for transformation and effort put into it, but in reality playing games doesn't take effort at all. You can play games when drunk/high/sick, it's really not a lot of effort at all but I guess as long as it's a 5.1/10 for you, it's still a 5/10 and passes the threshold for better than a 4/10 react huh?

>>59763606
The amount of views boosted is actually pretty small, the clickthrough rate is something like 3% or something usually. There was one example I saw of a 30k streamer reacting a video which resulted in it getting about 200 views as a boost from that which is just sad, but that is only one example to be fair.

>>59760627
Listen, react content is lazy and garbage, but the last thing I want to hear from the Chinese is batching about copyright infringement.

>>59766459
I'm not going to respond to you because I just realized you probably don't even like vtubers. You just saw your favorite quebec leaf/roach have its livelihood insulted on your way to /pol/ and need to defend its honor.

>>59766459
that's a bunch of words that i'm not going to read

>>59766459
unironic retarded take, you sound like the average Hassan viewer and you should probably get checked with a room temperature IQ like that, though it checks out with the reddit spacing.
go boot up a game, load up the first level and make 0 input, look at how nothing happens beyond maybe just dying and going to a game over screen, watch as it just sits on it's menu. you do the same with a video and it will play in full, even getting part way though a game requires playing it.
But even then, the game is something you cant experience just watching, every vtuber who streams a game is advertising it and boosting it's sales while if a video is watched in full by a streamer, the viewer doesn't have to go and watch the video to get the full experience. the only exception to this is those walking sim games or visual novels where they are just a glorified videos and you'd be right, but that's shit content too, so then it relies on the vtuber to make it transformative which for a recent example is pippa's playthrough of the class of 09 where over half the stream was her tangenting and talking about stuff, using the game as a spring board for conversation rather than just sitting there and just laughing a little or going "no way" every 3 minutes like an oblivion npc
also you clearly don't know who DSP is as that point is about how you could be the worst person at games and it is still more entertaining and transformative than the average react stream

>>59763846
I just think react content is shit. But the people bitching about morality or "stealing" are 100% larpers. Nobody actually cares about that.

>>59766507
Legal Eagle recently made a vid about it. When it comes down to it, the actual creators may as well get literally fucking nothing.

>>59760627
imagine calling yourself a content creator when all you're doing is reacting to other people's content

>>59761299
So Vshojo shouldn't have been able to DMCA other streamers is what you're saying?

>>59760627
>PAYMEFORCONTENT
content creators have a rough time eh

Vshojo sends false DMCA takedowns to people who criticize them on youtube like they took doen ant’s videos when she criticized froot. They hired an intermediary company to go after critics on their behalf to distance themselves because they know their behavior is wrong. Anyone who dmca s vshojo for using content that does not belong to them is in the right because vshojo did it first. They’ve dug their grave on the matter.

>>59760627
I agree unless its a meme/clip compilation being watched because thats already stolen content so its ok to steal from them. Or if they have permission its fine.

>>59771253
They were not false though, antfag

>>59760627
The vast majority of the youtube channels that people react to are already 'compilations' of a bunch of videos that the 'creator' you are trying to defend stole and reposted from someone else.

>>59760627
the other day i saw a guy irl that dressed like this
he was a manlet
he had a girlfriend
it's over

>>59761299
So since money is just a made-up concept, you won't complain if someone emptied youe wallet?

Vshojo abuses copyright takedowns of legal free speech via orbiters and react content is the lowest form of entertainment. Literal cockroaches parasiting off working creators. If you support either of this you are the definition of an ice cream so good NPC.

>>59765545
>Curious, how do you then justify vtubers or streamers in general who play games?
Game devs can and DO DMCA them, though usually through something like BG music.

>>59772019
Seethe indog

>WOW chat that is so crazy chat! i didn't expect that would happen chat! wooooow that is so amazing wholesome chungus chat!
now that is worthwhile content that should be kept inside those expensive servers at twitch hq

>>59760627
React content is never going away because watching tv with your friends became watching online videos with online people you like. Extra funny because you are shitting on a reactor but the tiktok compilation is "stealing" videos from other people and putting them on youtube but I'm sure you have zero problem with that kek

>>59766459
good god, the vshitshow defense force came in swinging today

My little pisser is going to stream on FC2 today, hope she is going to break 5k since it was a long time since she streamed

>>59772884
They're only expensive because Amazon double charges Twitch for their own servers.

>>59772019
>Vshojo abuses copyright takedowns of legal free speech
They don't. Ant was just dumb and included clips.

>>59772982
Must be difficult for an anti when their rrats or negativity aren't swallowed wholesale.

>>59772884
meanwhile Biboo playing f-zero
>weeeeeee
>weeeeeee
>goooo !!
>aaaaaaaaa
>weeeeeeeee
>noooooo
>all while turning her head to read chat and driving into every wall on the circuit
Now THAT is quality, high-effort, creative content

>>59773904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bmp2W9-KHE
lol

>>59761848
>English speaking
Xqc hardly qualifies as an English speaker. He sounds like he is in pain whenever he tries to speak to normal people because his vocal cords aren't evolved enough yet

>>59760627
>react content thieves and they should be recognised as such
Saying that on /vt/ isnt going to make a difference

Let's Plays are just reacting to video games.
Watch Alongs are even more blatantly reacting to films or shows.

>>59765555
proof?

>>59778200
Book clubs are react content. Life itself is react content.