/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>59652907
Kind of odd

>>59652907
>Previous accountant fucked up so badly that he ended up having to pay $350k in tax
Realistically, can you sue the accountant for this? IDK how much he fucked up and inflated Kuro's tax, but that sounds pretty serious

>>59652907
>rival corpo does more for you than your own

>>59654158
>350 K
>cost of mclaren 720 "$330,993"
HOW THE FUCK HE OWE THAT MUCH THAT IT BASICALLY COST A NEW SUPERCAR.

>>59654841
If you're 4 digit VTuber you're guaranteed at least a millionaire, anon.

>>59655072
i mean i get that
but HOW THE FUCK they messed up so bad it cost 350 GRAND.

>>59655115
1 year worth of fuckup done by retards who don't understand foreign taxation.
Niji management is utter disgrace. They should scrap all EN operation and fuck off back to Japan. At least no one else will suffer from their JOP behavior

>>59654158
Kuro/Mysta is from UK, so the 350k in taxes isn't really something out of the ordinary, his accountant probably did everything by the book.

He is probably evading taxes now, by using his double nationality as a filipino.

geega is doing his taxes
my god

>>59655270
just put off shore acc like any other criminal use.

>>59655072
You are definitely not guaranteed that. Making a million dollars doesn’t make you a millionaire.

>>59654841
You now understand why other developed countries have free healthcare. They tax you out the ass.

>>59655526
He is a millionaire when he was on NijiEN he bought a house for her mother and other house for him, all in cash. It's no wonder that he had to pay 350k on taxes.

>>59655526
Well yeah cos tax progression especially when you're living in Japan
That's why Calli fucked off back to America.

>>59654735
To begin with, talents who belong to a Japanese vtuber agency are treated as sole proprietors, not employees.

This means that they basically have to handle their own taxes, etc., and JPvtubers hire their own tax accountant or file their own tax returns.

International talents are no exception; they are sole proprietors under contract to a company.

>>59652907
>OOPS SORRY MYSTA YOU GOTTA PAY 350K EXTRA IN TAXES LOL WE KINDA MESSED UP NO BIGGIE THO RIGHT HAHA?
>OOPS SORRY PIKA I TOLD YOU I'M MAKING YOUR 3D MODEL BUT I HAVEN'T OPENED BLENDER A SINGLE TIME IN THE PAST 2 YEARS
>OOPS SORRY COCO I ACCIDENTALLY MODDED ALL THE CHINESE ANTIS IN THE LIST OF ACCOUNTS TO BAN YOU SENT ME BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CLICK THE BAN BUTTON YOURSELF LMAO OOPSIE
darn vshojo poachign talents from the good companies using their 11 gorillion dollars of cia money

>company was very bad
>quit
>join one that isn't bad
>"oh my god sister it's poaching"

>>59655794
vsho somehow have better poaching talent than Redbull racing looking for young talent to be prayed on

>>59655891
I mean it is poaching, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Particularly when it helps the talent who got poached.

>>59655591
Calli left because the US Gov are greedy fucks and one of the only countries who'll still charge you taxes even for not living or earning there. So she was having to pay both American and Japan's taxes.

>>59655891
Poaching culture is the one thing Japanese desperately need. It drives up wages and increase competition for workplace quality.
Company loyalty absolutely worth shit in 21st century.

I wish a Libertarian could become president so we can do away with taxes…

>>59655560
sitting in buyfag threads I was surprised to learn how seemingly everywhere but america gets FUCKED on import taxes for small anime goods

>>59656096
>so we can do away with taxes…
And get even worse infrastructure than now? Come on.

>>59655891
poaching is good in this industry though.

>>59656143
>pay shit ton on tax
>still have shit infrastructure

>>59656143
Toll roads and bridges are a thing and those work fine, I don't see why we couldn't just have those everywhere instead of paying taxes. Same for other services

>>59655891
Even a Hololive girl is helping him. Goes to show how bad Nijisanji was.

>>59656260
>>59656305
>no regs
>jacked up prices
>oligopoly happens
>Corpo become new monarchy
This shit already happened with ISP. Have mercy.

>>59652907
Why do he sound more normal?

>>59656447
No longer dealing with Fujos

>>59656305
You dont want more toll roads anon
t. aussie with toll roads fucking everywhere ranging from $5-$30

>>59655794
In this case I'll actually have to defend nijisanji
What sort of retard joins a company expecting the company to do your taxes? I've worked jobs from fastfood to retail to warehouse and currently even a credit union and never had the expectation joining that any of these jobs would do my taxes for me.

Shit, if I worked at like h&r block or whatever I still wouldn't expect them to do my taxes. Literally every vtuber who is making good money should hire an accountant, if your accountant sucks then that's on you for not looking for reviews and recommendations or even asking the literal genmate who is in the same country as you, where he found his accountant.

>>59652907
So Vshonen is official now? or does this character identify as a woman

>>59656591
Neither
its V-virgin and he's a male

>>59655591
rumao that's because she had to pay taxes simply because she was born in burgerland, doesn't matter if she didn't live there, didn't spend any money there or even earn any dollars, good ol' America still wants part of your money

How do you fuck up this badly

>>59655794
it's funny how the one ex-corpo vshojo talent not listed who was rightfully terminated and didn't leave on their own terms is an albatross for them

>>59656590
Every company in the UK does taxes, the only time you would personally be expected to do so is if you're self-employed. Mysta works for Nijisanji, they'd be expected to do or provide and accountant.
He mentioned an accountant, which he may or may not have hired personally, but either way it's not a good look for one of your biggest talents to get told "not our problem" when facing severe financial problems. Especially when it's the head of a rival company who ends up reaching out for sympathies sake to help.

>>59652907
>he reached out to lots of people to help but Ironmouse was one of the few who responded

I hope Vox tried to help him at least. As they’re both British and we’re working for the same company, presumably they would have had the same income recording/reporting rules

>>59656532
Every time I go to northern Illinois I punch in no tolls in Google Maps. It only takes like 5-10 minutes more to take the backroads.

>>59656029
No she wasn't, we have a tax treaty with Japan specifically so you don't have to do that. Mori is just genuinely fucking retarded and acted like she knew what she was talking about like a dipshit.

>>59656933
He's not working for a UK company why would you expect a Japanese company to get you an accountant just because companies in your area provide one for you?
Again his coworker who made even more than he did on a regular basis and lived in the same country managed to find and hire an accountant.

Kinda sounds like he was just retarded

>>59656988
You still have to pay, anon. What the treaty does is let you deduct what you've already paid in Japan, which for most people means that you're exempt from paying to US, but for her that still means having a lot of extra because of how much she earns. She even went back and said that she didn't need to pay that much (as she didn't know about it before) but still had to pay some anyway

Tax is theft

>>59657121
He is working and earning in the UK though and it's not just a case of "your employer provides an accountant" it's "you never deal with taxes AT ALL because it's all done company-end".
If Niji wants to have international talents they should have procedures in place for dealing with international laws and regulations. Not just "silly gaijin, you help us, not the other way around".

>few days after Kiara spent like 30 minutes in twitter space explaining how she almost went broke due to having to manually handle taxes
funny coinkydink

>>59656972
I would assume other people helped, but no one was as helpful as Mouse and Gun. Like if he asked Vox and he just said "just ask a tax person about it" that would have technically been sound advice, but it may not have been what he was looking for at the time.

>>59657575
>both Anycolor and Cover's accountants are JOP shitters
Maddeningly understandable. My friend is a wagie in Japan and shit like this happen a lot.

>>59657471
He is working and earning for a Japanese company in the UK. A Japanese company is not obligated to do your taxes for you because a UK company does. He technically wasn't even employed under the company. He was contracted.

Hololive does the same thing, you're responsible for finding your own accountant.

>>59652907
I don't care for Nijisanji nor want to defend them, but reading the comments how does Kuro hiring a shitty accountant, Nijisanji fault? I'm pretty sure only he has had tax problems while everyone else was fine with theirs.

>>59657797
Not strictly obligated, perhaps, but now they are responsible for finding a new talent to replace one of their biggest and most popular earners who left for a rival company over being ghosted on the matter. Sometimes "yeah well the contract says..." is for dipshits who can't see the forest for the trees.
Dude was in deep enough that he took to messaging random streamers he didn't even know particularly well for advice. A little acknowledgement from the company here would have done wonders and now their own indifference is biting them in the ass financially and reputationally.

>>59654158
That sounds like he hired an accountant who just did everything by the book and reported earnings of ~~~£800k as income instead of dicking about with the various avoidance schemes.

When will Sana join Vshojo

>>59658277
2 more weeks

>>59658277
who

>>59658277
Hopefully never.

Also Zen leaks. Unfortunately nothing funny revealed.

>>59656331
>helping
He literally commissioned her for VA work on her RM, this nigga is not getting that shit for free. Gotta pay up if you want the Holo relevancy.

>>59656590
Even here in Indonesia, my company does my taxes and pay for my healthcare.
In what shithole country did you live in that doesn't have basic things like that.

>>59658277
She makes more money working for chinese gachas than she ever did even in Hololive.

>>59658989
If you're employed as a regular employee a UK company in the UK they do your taxes. If you're employed as a contractor by a UK company that's a big depends on X, Y and Z. If you're employed as a contractor in the UK by a foreign company, if they do anything at all it's just going to be sending you a link to the online self-assessed tax return form.

>>59654158
Maybe I misunderstood but was it 350k in taxes or 350k dollars and the taxes involved with that money?

>>59658989
even with the healthcare ID have people still pay shit load for meds.

>>59658183
>it's the company's fault that their talent couldn't figure out the same thing everyone else figured out
I hate to sound like a corporate simp but how entitled do you have to be to request special treatment in a company that already gives you and your gen special treatment?
Also the whole
>Now they gotta replace a top earner
isn't honestly that accurate because after his constant meltdowns and lack of streams he lost most of his audience and paypigs and he's already told those paypigs of his past life that he wants nothing to do with them and to fuck off.
Also what the fuck was the company supposed to do? Hire a UK accountant to help him because chances are not a single person there is familiar with UK tax laws and codes and all that fancy bullshit.

The dude unironically sounds retarded.
>>59658989
It's cool that they do that for you but keep in mind that this dude wasn't even technically employed. He was contracted out of Japan.

>>59656590
you've worked dogshit low level jobs that have no nuance to the taxes involved whatsover, you file the base and move on. You're not making money in multiple currencies from another country, you aren't selling merchandise and working with an in-home office and trying to figure out what is and isn't a work expense. you aren't traveling from country to country, you're lifting boxes and poking a cash register.

He was part of a talent agency, an international one at that. that kind of thing is expected. Normal streamer agencies that you see people like XQC or other bignames in either have people directly hired under them to assist you or can refer you to someone who specializes in taxes of this kind.

>>59658989
He is not even an employee to begin with.

>>59657845
everything is Nijisanji's fault keep up chump

>>59656590
me thinks they were laundering it between accounts and his banking service flagged it

>>59657845
Niji bad

vtubers make too much money

>>59656591
It's an unofficial term, but they are keeping everything in the same banner probably for branding issues.
>but VSJJP
still is their own feet, it mainly handles stuff for the jp audience.

>>59655338
That was the plan the whole time, she just needed to learn taxes and the femboys would come to her.

>>59655560
doesn't america pay way more for healthcare than most european countries (per capita ofc)?

>Poached
>Was going indie and had been preparing shit for it about a year ago
They poached him from himself?

>>59660922
Yes by quit a bit. but it's also richer, fatter and more insane (in terms of people on psychiatric drugs or counselling at least) than most countries so it's hard to say exactly how much is down to private healthcare increasing the cost and how much is down to people needing more medicine and wages of the practitioners being high.

>>59652907
>350k in taxes
How the hell did that happen? How much fucking money does he make?

>>59662394
probably like $700k
but that was during the luxiem peak, they probably don't make that anymore.

>>59652907
he's fucking all the vshojo girls.

>>59656590
>fastfood to retail to warehouse
literally work at something just a single step above babbie's first summer job, faggot, and you'll see that taxes get complicated real quick and it is not at all unusual for a place of employment to offer help

>>59656590
retards still don't understand that niji livers are listed as contractors and have always been contractors
they have to do everything themselves like taxes and probably don't get health insurance

>>59662029
>healthcare in america is bad because uhh muh unhealthy people
>no goyim don’t look at WHY americans are unhealthy
keep sucking anthem blue cock

Its amazing how many people in the comments dont understand that niji and holo along 99% of the agency vtubers are contractors

>>59662591
False, Geega is fucking him

>>59662836
Oh god the glowies got Mysta already

>>59652907
>Literally just a cross between Kuzuha and Vox Akuma
I'm not complaining but how the fuck can anyone not see the similarity

Some people still think corpo vtubers are regular employees. They're only contractors, with all the issues that goes with it.

>>59657221
Good, rick people need to be taxed into the ground.

>>59662970
these people haven't held a job and don't know the difference between a company employee and a contractor
>inb4 stop defending niji deflection posts
this how the real world works
vtubers aren't employees they are contractors especially with niji

>uhm actually you're a contractor we don't owe you shit
>wait why do all our talents keep leaving and citing indifferent management and lack of support

>>59656590
>retard amerilard thinks the slavery he calls work environment is the world standard

>>59663229
>sure i'll help you with your taxes
>hell i can offer you a job where you keep 100% of your channel revenue and you just do whatever the hell you want
>you like backpacks, right?
WHY IS VSHOJO SO EVIL?

>>59656590
are you a fucking american

>>59662836
He taking dib on henya first.

>>59663229
NO DON'T U GET IT THIS IS JUST HOW CONTRACT WORK IS. NIJI IS DOING IT RIGHT AND VSHOJO IS DOING IT WRONG, FOR SOME REASON

>>59663721
wouldn't work. everyone knows Henya's a lesbian

>>59663417
Nyanners once told uohfags to fuck off like 10 years ago and it's very important that people hold on to that grudge in perpetuity. Also something about Vei being kinda thottish and pretending to care about Nux Taku to validate the first two points. All of which happened years ago and has next to no reflection on the company as it exists today.

>>59663417
Most people hate vshojo because some of the original members, 3 of the most hated ones already left. The only remaining one left that is really hated is froot.
I don't really care but a lot of people here do.

im sure talents talk to each other, did he never have a conversation about it with vox who's from UK too and earned twice as much? never heard of him missing tax, mysta is just a loser, was and will be

>>59664026
Mysta literally said he asked a bunch of people, Mouse & Gunrun were just the only ones who really got back to him and tried to help. Just because he didn't throw Vox in the shit by explicitly naming him as someone who ghosted him doesn't mean he didn't ask.

>>59656590
>what is a w2

>>59664111
that sounds like such a lie, there's no way people just ignored him/refused to help, AND knowing he is sick in the head i wouldn't be surprised if he had an incident and didn't get help when he could

>>59664213
>>59664026
Just because Vox tried to help doesn't mean he could. And no reason to shit on him for that either.

>>59664026
It was the accountant who Mysta hired who fucked up. Vox had a different one

>>59664026
Fun story: Geega literally just brought this up on stream. She said that when Mysta was asking for help, one of the people that he'd asked then turned around and immediately asked her. She offered that friend help assuming it was for them, but when they told her it was for someone in the UK she asked if it was Mysta and that person said yes. So no idea who she asked but he 100% did ask more than one person, it's just that Mouse went to Gun and he was able to do it.

And for anyone who doesn't know Geega this is 100% believable because talking about taxes is unironically kind of her thing.

Why do we need Nina when Geega seems like the mom type already?

Bottom line is that you've got a bunch of zoomer kids who don't know shit about taxes all of a sudden making 6- and 7-figure wages as contractors for overseas companies. Yeah, that shit is gonna be fucked unless you hire a really good tax accountant or lawyer who's well versed in that stuff.
I heard rumblings about a financial advice and support group for big vtubers, and god knows these kids need it.

>>59663229
>>59663730
This isnt about niji, this is the same with hololive too. Kiara literally was talking about hiring an accountant as well and do you think cover can help her with that??

>>59664746
Ignore them they're idiots. Mysta isn't helping because he's sure making it sound like it's Nijis fault kek

>>59664663
Given how shockingly similar /vt/ tribalfaggotry and parasocial behavior is to /sp/, it really might behoove vtubing companies to take a page from pro sports’ book. Because pro sports teams now hire people to advise new players on this shit.
I don’t think NijiEN will ever care, because worst comes to worst, a 3view goes to jail or graduates because they lost all their stuff, and…does it affect Riku’s yacht? Then gtfo
But for corpos who intend on their fans actually recognizing all the members, this would be a good idea. Stressing over tax law is not good for focusing on streaming.

>>59652907
>too financially illiterate to live
>makes money and within months falls hundreds of thousands in debt
>goes around the vtuber community crying to anyone who will listen to be bailed out
>vshojo helps him and takes him in
Vshojo is getting scammed hard. They literally hired someone who drove himself hundreds of thousands into debt the moment he made any money. He is going to fucking manipulate, scam, and squeeze vshojo for everything they have and then make himself the victim.

>>59663059
fucking communist, they make more money because they contribute more to society (making dick jokes and sussy bottom jokes and slurping into the mic)

>>59664746
Situation might be technically the same in the letter of the law, but the approach and the spirit is clearly very different. Hololive is willing to take short term losses for the sake of long-term profit and stability, offering things like salaries and so on to get and keep talents on their feet when they need it.
We have a rough idea of how Niji works behind the scenes thanks to leaks and statements from former talents, and it's not a pretty picture. Even if Niji is not specifically legally required to provide help in this instance but it's only good business sense to have done so. Mysta brought in a fuck ton of money - something like half a million dollars in superchat money alone in 1 year and a half. Once you factor in merchandising and advertising revenues, that number no doubt increases massively. That 350 grand in tax debt is an example in itself.
Nijisanji's oblique company culture has cost them a significant amount of ongoing money Mysta could have been making for them, and I'm sure Vshojo is only too happy to have taken him off their hands for the low cost of some tax advice.

>>59664930
>debt
it's literally taxes you fucking idiot, there's a huge difference between overspending yourself into a hundred thousand dollar hole, and being like "I think I am paying way too much in taxes and can't figure it out, can someone help me"

Another L for nijisanji

>>59666696
And another L for the L's collection for VShitshow!

Fits perfectly as poetry.

>>59663473
American companies give you filled out tax forms though

>>59655560
The US taxes more than enough to pay for healthcare. We could pay for universal healthcare by cutting our military budget (while still being the world leader in military spending).

>>59664026
Look at the discord leak they probably just ignored him

>>59666696
Not even nijisanji wants to touch someone evading taxes

>>59665220
Tax law is intentionally obtuse so the government can fuck you harder. I don't blame him being a recipient of said fucking, and I'm firmly in team no-males.

>>59665220
NTA, while that is true, don’t most reasonable people make sure they have enough to pay taxes before / while spending, though? Mysta spent so much that he, not just didn’t want to pay that, but couldn’t pay that 350k ($? pound?)

>>59656590
Do Burgers really

>>59668308
Yes, but on the other hand, I do not think it is unreasonable at all for someone to get confused when their income is coming from multiple international sources, especially someone who is 1. young and 2. has not made that kind of money before. What >>59668261
said is absolutely correct; the law is obtuse on purpose, and I'm not gonna cheer on someone getting blame someone for a reasonable slipup just because I hate their content, that's passing the government's buck for them, for free

>>59652907
i’ve never been a contractor so i don’t know how tax works for them but it sounds like Niji didn’t even do basic shit like withholding and just threw the gross sum at the talents and let them figure out the rest

>>59668868
>didn’t even do basic shit like withholding and just threw the gross sum at the talents
Yes, that's how it normally works as an independent contractor.

>>59668974
yeah i’m thinking i’m gonna hard pass on contracting
tax code is fraudulently complex and i ain’t shouldering the legal liability

>>59652907
so, who the hell is he? i see people everywhere saying ''he's back'', i've never heard his voice in my life

>>59662717
that's not what he said. he said people spend more on meds and treatments and that might be a cultural thing, as the demand is high and prices aren't standardized the prices go up.

>>59664609
Geega is not a mom, she's more like an aunt

>>59668634
It's literally dead easy here in the UK, you just need to keep track of your income and that's it.

Niji was probably no help because japanese tax code is like the US and deliberately awful, the real question is why vox was no help but you can imagine the conversation of "Hey mysta how're things going need any help" and him going "naaah" because he's a fucking moron and surely thought he would just get millions in supachatto money scott free

>>59662394
He made enough to buy land in the UK, buy a new house, etc, etc. He most definitely made over a million, even WITH all of the niji cuts

Moral of the story: read the fucking contract before joining an company outside of your country.

>>59665086
Nice fanfiction. They sure helped Calli when her retarded ass had to pay much more than she should've in taxes because she didn't understand how to fill taxes in her new income bracket from overseas. This sure happened in your head.

>>59662955
You say that but ignore the real obvious comparison. He literally looks like red Izuru. He has the hoody with ears, he's got the boots with super booty short shorts. Literally red Izuru.

>>59669867
>They sure helped Calli when her retarded ass had to pay much more than she should've in taxes because she didn't understand how to fill taxes in her new income bracket from overseas
That has nothing to do with the company she works for her. It has to do with legalities in the United States and Japan

>>59654158
If im remembering correctly everyone who is in Hololive or Nijisanji but doesnt live in Japan has to pay taxes to Japan and their home country resulting in absurd tax losses. Something like that anyways.

>>59669994
But in Mysta's case it's Anycolor's fault?

Moral of the story, Gunrun knows your oshi's weakness and will use it to make them "graduate" and join vshojo.
Your oshi is next

>>59669867
What fanfiction lol? Cover paying salaries is a known fact.
How do you know Cover DIDNT tell Calli to sort out her tax situation? We KNOW Niji didn't because Mysta said as much. We also know Niji management is incredibly opaque thanks to the statements of several talents to that effect.

>>59664111
I mean most of EN is in burgerland/Australia, why would they give Mysta advice on UK tax? It’s all on him for getting unlucky with hiring a shitty accountant

>>59670778
Because she did that shit wrong for two whole years and only found that out while venting to chat.

>>59652907
You must be a really extreme kind of retard to not be able to do your taxes when the likes of Finana and Luca have no problems with them. Either that or he was trying to do some tax evasion but was caught kek

>>59671581
you might be unpleasantly surprised by how incompetent CPAs can be

Give me a quick rundown, who is this faggot

>>59669539
Nah, Mysta got fucked cause he kept procrastinating on his taxes and the “late fees” started racking up until he had a meltdown.

>>59671718
He was the top ccv NijiEN guy for a while. Got like 10k-12k ccv.
After Luxiem fell from grace he was one of 2 members in the branch who could average over 5k.
Although he always got a lot of viewers his donations were a lot lower than Vox and Luca.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGdVgQAMIyw

>>59663473
shit I'm American and I have no idea what he's talking about, my company does pretty much everything for me regarding taxes, I just have to take all the shit they calculated for me and fill in some boxes on a form

>>59655794
To be fair for Pika, the things she wanted to do beyond just having a 3D model were way too grandouis for a single nip artist to set up. GYARI was really accomedating for her, but he just didn't have the proper talent set or abilities to support Pika long term.

>>59672330
The average American just has a W-2 and whatever insurance paperwork. Then there’s renters credit as well but that’s due later than normal taxes.
Mysta bought a house, his company is not gonna help him out with taxes concerning buying a house.

>>59664609
more moms is always good

>>59664111
>Mysta literally said he asked a bunch of people
That's a fucking lie. That faggot never used discord/slack outside of shit like mandated meetings. Reminder that he's the only person in the branch-wide cover that didn't had an actual excuse to not participate. The only other was Alban who was dying of the coof at the time.

>>59673068
>That faggot never used discord/slack outside of shit like mandated meetings
and how exactly would you know that?

>>59673173
Because he gloated about it on stream multiple times. Like Selen does.

>>59673068
hex... forgotten...

>>59673173
He had no knowledge of millies gc stream even though she pinged everyone about it, twice

>>59652907
Reminder that the accountants doing his taxes was the one niji assigned to him. Other livers have also complained about the accountants that niji hired for them

>>59673431
Proof?

>>59673431
Niji doesn't give people accountants

>>59673068
Geega corroborated the fact that he asked multiple people on stream earlier as it included her. He was also away visiting family at the same time as Alban was sick.

>>59673590
>believing a lying vwhorejo
LOL
>visiting family
He was visiting and fucking Mika LMAO

Mysta lying is extremely obvious when you take into account that Vox literally lives an hour away from his place. Mysta didn't even drop by Vox's place for a Luxiem offcollab when Ike, Shu and Luca were visiting Vox.

common black company L

>>59669490
The problem I think everyone is getting wrong here is that for foreign talent they pay taxes to their home country and to Japan because its a Japanese company. Making everything a lot more complicated and expensive.

>>59673767
Maybe he was busy or maybe he doesnt like Vox behind the scenes, who knows

>>59673899
But enough about vwhorejo

>>59673685
If he was then good for him

>>59664026
Who knows if there even on good terms behind the scense, and who knows if Vox isnt getting screwed on taxes too

>>59656590
This is the worst Nijifaggot cope ive ever seen

>>59674083
I know letting talent keep their models after leaving, such a black company you tell em sister!

>>59674083
i know you are but what am i

>>59674338
Yes

>>59673431
>>59673508
So this is actually half true and half false. The accountant Mysta complained about was the one he himself hired, but the company actually does prescribe accountants for the livers if they want one. Kyo confirmed this, because the one he was gonna work with had a higher price compared to how cheap the other members accountants were, and his Manager recommended him not to go with that one.

But what's funny is that Mysta claimed he got rid of that one and got a new one prescribed from the company. And this was around 5 months before he left. So they did try to help him. And it wasn't 350k, it was 40k. Also for the record, Kyo recommend he get a financial advisor and open himself a savings account, but Mysta was pretty stubborn in thinking those were scams.

You know your reputation is fucked when Mysta didn't even say anything related to Nijisanji about his tax issues, but a bunch of people assume it was their fault.

>>59665086
Anycolor just had a record revenue and profit in the last quarter, what are you talking about their finances

>>59674940
yes, which is why i cant wait for nijisanji to leave EN already and just focus everything in JP. theres no future in this market for them, but i know they will insist for a few years at least

>>59673767
>Mysta didn't even drop by Vox's place for a Luxiem offcollab when Ike, Shu and Luca were visiting Vox
He doesn't drive and public transit was on strike at the time. And no, he didn't lie, GEEGA corroborated his story. But he also never said Vox never helped him, that's pure catalog bullshit.

>>59674940
I wish they fucking wouldn't assume because now /NijiEN/ has a vendetta against Kuro over shit he never said. Shit is fucking exhausting.

>>59675283
>GEEGA corroborated his story
LMFAO imagine believing that lying whore

>>59655667
that explains why my oshi had so much trouble with taxes

>>59675343
So both sides have taken his words as shitting on Nijisanji evem though it has nothing to do with them. Actually a pretty funny situation all things considered.

>Previously cites people causing drama over benign remarks/actions as one of his biggest stressors
>First day on his new job, people cause drama over benign remarks praising his friend Mouse
>He is completely unable to clear the air about this without breaking kayfabe
It's all so tiresome

>>59674429
So both the company and Niji livers tried to help him but he told them to fuck off. That's so fucking stupid of him to then paint it as nobody except vshoujo helped him kek

>>59673590
He was not, in fact, away at the time. Plus Pomu gave people months and even more to sign up for the cover so that she could commission the art and get their vocals done

>>59676350
He was. Check the date when Alban announced that he was sick with covid on Twitter. But if that truly wasn't the reason it's most likely for the same reason he dropped out of koushien - he found it awkward to participate in a group project leading up to his graduation. He readily participated in Pomu's detective outfit reveal, so it's clear he had nothing against her specifically.

>>59676281
He didn't. He made it clear multiple people replied, but that Mousey was the most helpful. Anons heard this and spinned it as:
>NOBODY helped him except Mouse ESPECIALLY Vox
For some godforsaken reason.

>>59676243
I know people tend to laugh and scoff when you say a man is misunderstood, but I genuinely think Kuro is the most misunderstood man in the industry right now and it's exhausting seeing people twist his words for drama time and time again.

>>59676881
people need to be aware of how people will interpret what they say. at this time, the question on everyone's minds is "why did he leave X for Y". the onus is on HIM to present the things he has to say in a way that doesn't give people a reason to start drama. Yes, this does mean bending over backwards to phrase things carefully so you don't anger schizos. Him saying what he did may not mean that he's being hostile toward X, or his friends at X. It does mean that he's either moved on and no longer cares about how his words affect them, or is negligent enough that he didn't consider it at all.
You will encounter several brands of Kuro schizos over the coming weeks/months. Some may say "why did he bash his previous company and coworkers" and are probably being dishonest to bait a reaction out of you. Others will say "why wasn't he more careful with his words" and have legitimate reason to be annoyed with how this has all played out. Please keep the difference in mind.

>>59677446
I think it's perfectly fair to criticize him for not minding his words. I think however it is also important to mind that he has a noted history of being poor with his words and to understand that this does not come from a place of malice nor a lack of care towards anyone. But I acknowledge the difference and I believe you are largely correct.

>>59667547
The issue is that most of the US's military budget comes in the form of salaries and veteran's benefits which obviously would cause an uproar if they got cut

>>59675343
Yeah anon because that totally didn't happen before

>>59679455
>veteran's benefits
>over 10% of America's homeless are veterans

>>59660993
They kinda did, his whole thing when leaving was heavily implying that being a corpo is bad, even getting dangerously close to the talent freedom talk with his dumbass rant about being unhinged, but I guess that's how vshojo got him

>>59668868
they just make you prove residency so they don't have to pay nippon taxes out of your check, also avoids double taxation

but yeah, you just get the gross sum and your on your own
they tell you this from the start typical

>>59675283
Get a taxi, an uber, work around the train strikes (which weren't so bad you couldn't get around if you really needed to). I'm a bong in a part of the country with poor infrastructure and I can get to the other side of the country without an extraordinary amount of money. This guy is rich enough to be paying over $300k in taxes, he could afford to visit a friend a few counties over, especially when others were coming in from around the globe.

>>59675388
>hurr don't believe her because hurrr male collab
Fuck off then. Why are you even here?

>>59673431
man, this thread rules

I know vtards love to twist wording into drama but this is legit malicious fake news. It's pure concentrated attack on Mysta/Kuro even though what he said was completely utterly innocent.
I wish I have enough money to buy 4chin and stick flags in all the goddamn boards, including this one.

>>59670054
No, WTF are you talking about?
/vt/ and not understanding tax law, name a more iconic duo.

the only thing funnier than the gutter tier bait theres been around mysta is the fact that mystakes will literally always get worked by it

Honestly this whole thing was a huge L for both NijiEN and Vshojo:

>Niji loses a top earner, a Luxiem member, and loses a large portion of their fanbase (possibly a W lmao)
>Anything Kuro says will be attributed to Niji's abysmal management
>V"shojo"
>Now toxic Nijisisters will watch Vshojo
>Possibly committed tax evasion

Was Gunrun really this retarded, just to make a few more bucks from merch sales?

>>59652907
Wait, I thought Vshojo only does girl tubers

>>59652907
Vtuber necks look so fucking stupid nobody outside of retards will ever take this shit seriously

>>59685554
He's always been a woman

>>59656811
Who?

>>59656029
>>59656703
Who the fuck do you think pays for Delta Force when you get kidnapped

>>59685088
How is it a bad thing for vshojo, exactly? They get access to the top earner of one of their competitors while also casting shade on them at the same time

>>59685088
They obviously want to shutdown NijiEN after the disastrous past year

>>59679820
Name 20 cases where this exact thing happened

>>59687207
>*citation needed*

>>59670054
no that was just mori who was doing that and she fired her account after talking to other vtubers and them telling her shes getting scamed

>>59688976
>zaion
>lulu
>warebeda
>Mysta
>Nina
And they are already laying the groundwork for Selen

>>59676881
what the other reply said but also the fact that he is literally the perfect gold mine for trolls and drama people. The fact that shiting on nijisanji and hololive is very profitable right now means people will try to twist whatever he says to fit them. That combind with the fact that he has a history of feeding trolls and now he has less restrictions on what he can say about other groups means hes a living time bomb and people are waiting for when he streams while having a bad day in 4 months and goes on a giant rant

>>59689200
>lulu
they doxxed her facecam stream channel? the same one who still has a lot of people from her previous fanbase watching frequently? amazing
>warebeda
no one cared when she did a twitcast as oxonano and said she would be back. no one cared when she actually came back under another name.
at least mention gundou if you're going to bait.

>>59689745
Cope and seethe

>>59669867
>>59670778
If you have US citizenship the jews make you pay income tax no matter what your country of residence is. Thus having to file two income tax forms.
As for mysta, the tax brackets in the UK are fucking ridiculous, above 120k they're entitled to like 45% of your income

ITT NEETs and retards have never heard of tax brackets and income tax

>>59655794
>cia
meds

>>59652907
i love him talking about this as if it's some act of charity... dipshit, they were literally trying to poach you, and clearly it worked

>>59662706
They don't get health insurance, not even the JP memebrs. This was confirmed by Ririmu and Kou during their Gacha Lever Daipan appearance.

https://youtu.be/dIrOpyj08-g?t=6619
This nigga called saving account a 'scam'. He's just retarded with money.

>>59655270
Liberals love taxes until they have to pay them.

>>59663417
>WHY IS VSHOJO SO EVIL?
Its negotiation tactics

I don't watch male chuubas but big thanks to mouse and Gunrun for helping this talent.

>>59656038
There's still good places out there. My mill heard I was going through a divorce so they set me up in an old office (with central air btw) in the abandoned part of the mill. No rent or utilities for 7 months while it all got sorted out. Then once child support was finalized they put me in maintenance (~$7/hour raise), got my an electrical apprenticeship, and let me work week-on/week-off so I could have my kids half the time.

Absolute fucking madlads. Turns out almost literally every single man in the mill had been divorced at some point. I'll probably be here until the mill shuts down. I don't give a shit you don't dip out on loyalty like that.

>>59694162
I don't feel bad for him any more and I have a newfound respect for the little not black boy

>>59686050
RushiNazuMike

>>59662717
anon posted and argument for the same point unlike you and your nigger-tier greentext
retard

>>59679455
>trillions to ukraine
guess we did cause it so its on us

>>59663059
nice thread
Watch the faggot so he gets taxed later!

>>59656590
>in this case
>but also the other cases too actually
KYS

>>59668445
no, we get a W2 from our employers that tells us what boxes to fill out. It's a like 10-minute process on the IRS website.
>>59656096
>the Argentines may unironically elect an ancap with a weeb cosplayer girlfriend
It's going to be a terrible feeling being jealous of Argentina.
>>59656413
>This shit already happened with ISP.
no ISP oligopolies exist because the Clinton Administration gave them millions of dollars to build infrastructure and they promptly said fuck that and spent the money buying each other out.

>>59655891
>less than six moths
KYS VWHOREjo fag

>>59652907
Weird

>>59657797
please understand most streamers are adult babies who need someone to do everything for them and when it fucks them they have a tantrum like a toddler

>>59656331
>Even a Hololive girl is helping him

Who?

>>59685088
VShojo is just paving the way to absorbing the good parts of NijiEN when the shitshow eventually collapses

>>59664609
Geega doesn't want to be anyone's mom, she doesn't like being lewded at all and doesn't like to flirt with her chat at all either. She's more of the funny middle aged aunt. This emoji exists purely to show disappointment to anyone who says anything lewd about her when they pop into her chat.

>>59652907
He's a lying piece of shit

>>59674397
God, I wish someone would save Maria and Rosemi from EN.

>>59675388
At what point has Geega been a liar or a whore. Please provide a detailed list of examples.

>>59709870
Some of them have the money to pay for someone to do their stuff for them if they don't know how but I guess they lack even this basic insight.

>>59662955
He's like an anti-Vox because Vox enjoys having adult fans while Kuro is clearly uncomfortable with everything but underage twitch zoomers watching him.

>>59712508
you can't really call "support" that lands you 350k in debt support

>>59720046
both of them want to have their cake and eat it too but mysta is a lot more arrogant and imperious

>>59694162
I unironically feel bad for him. What the fuck kind of mental illness is this?

>>59720312
>What the fuck kind of mental illness is this?
southeast asian

>>59720157
It feels like Kuro actually, actively hates his former fans, which is fair, but you can't hate them on main while also wanting their money so you can get out of debt. At least hold off on burning bridges until you're financially solvent.

>>59664822
They are adults. They need to grow up and act like adults. Why should a corpo handle your finances after paying you?

>>59673976
Only certain countries (like America) double dip taxable income. I don't think Japan does it. Mori had to pay US taxes and JP taxes while in Japan because America is greedy.

>>59703153
>Turns out almost literally every single man in the mill had been divorced at some point.
No Fault divorce was a huge mistake. 80+% initiated by the wife.