/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Kys this team will never be relevant when your dumb ass manages it

This is the poll to decide which 10 options take the newely opened spots on the roster for Autumn 2023 which starts the 27th (draw on the 22nd). Thread is a little late my apologies I overslept.
We'll be keeping the poll open from now until this time on Monday and at that time we'll announce the results.

Just realized I forgot to add a suggestion box so just did that gomen

Where is Watamelon

>>59514168
Watamelon is the ball

>>59514168
Watamelon has always been the ball and people seem to not want duplicate reps if possible so we also put two tiny watamelons on the shoulders of watamage. I think we can make them bigger though since some people seem to have trouble seeing them

Where is Rrat?

>COMPLAIN SEETHE MAD SHIT DILATE 4CC DISCORD CATALOG BAIT
Here, I spoiled how the rest of this thread will look like, no need to thank me

>>59514951
she was already on the team and she was kept in the keep and remove poll so she'll stay on the team. so there wasnt need to put her on this poll.

>>59513515
sent ;^)

Thank you for your work, manager!

I've done my part

>>59514959
you fucking failure you didn't even mention /vg/ or /4ccg/

>ctrl+f /#/
>9 results
good god this could be the most cancerous team we've ever had

>>59520910
Be the change and out vote them

>>59519574
eepy love!

>>59520910
if only one could vote...

>>59520910
/#/ anons complained last time that they felt they didnt have enough options so we added a few. Some being more /#/ memes some being more generally just about numbers.

Respectfully, I vote for 774, wvt, holo, idol, nijien and phase
I don't vote for numbershit

looking forward to seeing what funny anti shitposts the latinx and sea teenagers in /#/ vote for this year!!!!

>>59521858
>BAU BAU
but what about MAU MAU?

>>59513515
Whatever happened to that vote about reserving spots for non-holo players? Did the team get any?

last time a ton of people missed the poll, be sure to spread it to your thread!
who knows team might work this time!

uhhhhh I voted for HFZ and bau bau... and a couple others.

>>59513515
/vt/ needs the spam

PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI PESSI

>>59522625
There's always been some non-Hololve on there

>>59522625
the vote on that, as said on the poll doesnt impact this cup's voting. That was more so me and the other manager could see the general opinions on the idea. We wanted to do a more simple way of polling this time since last time since there was a lot of stuff polled for and because there was a lot of argument over the slot sytem. It is something we will consider as an option but we havent discussed how we will poll next time yet.

>>59522868
non-Holo, non-Niji, whatever caused that shitstorm last time but more diplomatically. There's entire ecosystems of chuuba culture and creativity that are slept on because they don't have that little brand sticker on them

>>59522870
Oh I understand what you mean now, regardless of the results you won't implement anything this season

Good luck, team! Go /vt/!

Reminder the team has historically done its best when the jaw has a medal

Can i put my oshi as beebs?

if the anon who asked this is itt, Fauna is already on the team, was voted to be kept in the keep or remove poll so there was no need for her to be on the list

>>59524446
Can we get a list of the players already on the team?

>>59524015
This, clearly the team needs some muscle

>>59524733
the list of players voted to be kept on in the keep or remove poll we did last week. 13 players were voted to be kept so that means 10 places were opened for new players. Hence why the poll says to vote for 10 options

Although i don't really watch them i voted for both kiki and nyaru just because i wanna see them do restreams of matches

>>59524330
as long as you say why

>>59525187
i voted for kiki and lia from phase connect because the team could really use some of their spirit and enthusiasm.

>>59525879
I'm a /lig/ger but I threw in a Lia vote because I enjoyed their enthusiasm autism in the VTL

Reminder that Mio is the new meta, we need her on the team!

>>59526603
I thought fat fucks and hags are the new meta (reminder that multiple Koyoris and Lui scored the most)

>>59513572
this
I hope this team gets 2nd last place because we are not even good enough for a spoon

somehow this poll combines all the downsides of including /vt/ league players and "original" memes.

Lia!

for the anon asking in the poll where Nene is, as has been previously said for others she was voted to be kept on the team so she didnt need to be included in this poll.
Also, I miss it too anon...

>>59527419
Which one?

>>59526603
Thats a hand ball, she will get the team carded

>>59527605
Lia from Phase Connect!

Can't wait for this team to be 95% holo again.

>>59527717
what corpo is she from again

>>59527951
Phase Connect from Lia

>mfw we could have had a Lia from Phase Connect vs. Lia from Wactor rivalry

>>59514959
Thanks

>>59514268
Make the watamelons {{{bigger}}}

small mistake to report everyone, when making the options we included wawa in the poll forgetting KIARA MY DOG DIED was voted back on the roster. Since we purposefully made an effort to avoid possible duplicate players we just removed her as an option.
Making this post so the 5 voters who picked her know they can edit their response for a different 10th player. gomen.

>>59531572
Would desu

>>59531572
there are two of you how does this keep happening

>>59513515
arigatou mane-san

>>59531682
I'm retarded

Since hey moona is no longer GK who is going to be the next one?

Submitted. You have a lot of work to fix up managers. This is insanely unorganized and feels like a mess to navigate.

So if we don't promote, will the double jannetty managers finally do the right thing and leave?

They have destroyed the team.

>>59534886
I'd step up but i'd have to fight the 4cc commish to get back in.

>>59534822
We tried to keep it simple ie 1 verification question then then the options. If you mean the order thats on purpose we have shuffle options on so the players dont just appear as a block of hololive, a block of nij, etc. I understand that makes it harder to navigate but we think thats more fair so some options arent just burried at the bottom or middle for everyone.
>>59534384
The way I usually like to do it is when we do the medal poll (should be next weekend btw) the player with the most medal votes that misses being a medal gets to be the keeper. Me and the other manager havent decided how we'll do it yet though. Also just as an aside due to 4cc rule changes we only have 4 medals again not 5.

>>59535556
Better to do it by corpo/indies than what you did. I think that makes it easier on the voters.

>>59534886
/vt/ hates the team/managers more than 4ccg does.
depending on how the hard they rig the vote, a lot of people will be actively rooting for the team to shit the bed again

>>59535644
In other words: only you

>>59535617
2B fair we did give a reminder in the question that ctrl+f would make it easier. like if you wanted to see all the phase reps you could just find them like that. or you could search a specific chuubas name since theyre all also listed. but we'll keep it in mind. Maybe we'll ask next time which way people would prefer.

>>59535556
I like the randomized selection better

>>59535644
Losing a spot on the roster sucks but whatever happens i still want the team to win

>>59535858
Nah, me too. Haven't been happy with the team since Tri left it. They inherited the keys to a Mercedes and have crashed it into a wall.

>>59535858
>>59536129
>>59535644

posting to say id like a managerial change as well
every thread goes over the reasons but ill add this, to the ones raised in previous threads:
player suggestions were last week
https://i.warosu.org/data/vt/img/0591/78/1695598922650575.png
tons of things are in there that aren't in the poll
but there somehow there was room to throw in this weeks "spicy" catalog bait from yesterday or the day before or so, and which will be forgotten by next league other than as a thing to fight over in the remote case it gets voted in.
funny thing? one of the biggest things in the previous threads was people complaining about bait in the poll.

>>59534930
POST GRIEVANCES

>>59537605
Wrong person

>>59537626
fat faggot

>>59537508
We just wanted an option for every member in Vshojo member like we did for phase. The rep in question is for a member that was just announced and hasnt debuted yet and I didnt get the idea from the catalog I got the idea from /vsj+/ itself over seeing them laugh at the fact the member was confirmed through their minecraft skin.
Also the overwhelming majority of things that are suggested in the keep and remove poll are in this poll maybe with different names if we thought there was something more fitting. On top of the fact there are 250+ish options on the poll so youre not lacking for choice.

>>59538156
>I got the idea from /vsj+/ itself
At this point I assume that anyone complaining about vshojo players is that same assblasted faggot that was complaining about Talent Freedom. The one that doesn't actually use /vsj+/ and thus doesn't know that everything he's bitching about is either tacitly or directly endorsed by the only vsj presence on this board.

>>59535556
>If you mean the order thats on purpose
This is a good idea, makes people actually read the list instead of being tribalistic and ignoring 90% of the choices.
>We just wanted an option for every member in Vshojo member like we did for phase.
This is not a good idea, the players should be memes given models, not chubbas given memes. If that means a new debut doesnt get a model on the team thats fine. I wouldnt give a player to the new hololive girls because they are so new. Its the same concept as a collab ban really, let the chubbas (memes) get their own identity before throwing them in the mix.

>>59538156
> like we did for phase
i'm a phase nigger, and the only 3 talents that should be on the ballot are pippa, lia, shiina and lumi.
the rest dont get any actual discussion posts and are spammed reaction images at best

>>59538156
the natural question that comes to mind is why is a member that has not debuted yet, doesn't have a model, and wasn't suggested, in the poll?
ill quote:
-we want players people actively want not players people mostly just dont care about but kinda passively like.
so, is this a player the managers actively want, then?
>>/vt/thread/59178600#p59201800

>>59538737
>>59538980
Realistically we know that a large amount of options have very little to no chance of making it even if there was a very generous slot system in place. We put a lot of the stuff on so people can stilll have the option. Originally when i was making it I didnt have a player for every phase, vshojo, and idol member along with other players. I started thinking though "dang there is a lot of that group but not so much of them I wonder if thatll make this group upset" and that led to an eventual fuck it and us us deciding to just do 1 of each. Realistically all it does is make some people happy while making it take a little longer to complete
>>59539302
First of all me saying that was in the context of how we decided the keep or remove threshold so it's out of context. Second of all if the only options managers used for polls were the ones people suggested most team managers would have barely anything for polls if they had anything at all because most people dont give suggestions and many who do dont give very creative ones. The overwhelming majority of even the holo options wouldnt be on this poll if we only did the things suggested and common sense knows thats retarded.

Here is what happens
>preliminary poll
>all the Holo players are kept
>all the non-Holo players are kicked
>totally real 160+ voters turned out and voted for a prelim poll
>final vote
>250+ voting options and will be left up for a ridiculous 3 days so "everybody can vote!"
>"everyone can vote" aka spam the Holo generals
>they open form
>ctl alt f "Holo"
>vote all Holos
<---you are here
>gonna be 95% holo team
>gonna get 300+ responses which is entirely legit eventhough it is more than prime /sp/ and prime pnies and prime /pol/ COMBINED.
>they will cop that it is legit because "it was spammed on Holo threads for 3 days, so it can happen!"
>nobody is gonna show up for the games
>team crashes out again
>we make a fuss in Spring in hopes changes happens
>they refuse to step down or make changes because 2 Holo homers run the team and rig the vote
>team continues to be irrelevant and passionless

The commissioner needs to step in an do something about this clown show. Back in the day these 2 would have been weeded out.

>>59539915
When I originally made the team, I got 300+ on the initial polling, and then something like 150-225 after that during my tenure. I know you're very clearly baiting from some place that isn't /vt/, but I will at least say this much.

>>59539915
The funniest thing is their argument against using vt League allstars/captains is "generals do not represent board CULTURE"

so what do they do?
>yes make sure to post the poll in all the Holo generals!

>>59540363
The team has always been rigged with Holo bias, retard.

>>59540470
I checked the poll and I see captains of /vt/ league teams included.

>>59540573
I mean the team is comprised of all captains. It limits monopoly and invites variety. Sill gonna get minimum 15 holo reps.

>>59540573
>b-b-but muh holoboard
kill yourself catalog faggot

>>59540470
this is a bad argument, the world itself has holo bias
someone previously used the fact that pcg had the most individual people in chat as proof that this is pcg clay, but they sort of ignored that the holo chatters are distributed amongst most of the other flairs, and statistically some pcg people also like holos
mind you im not saying the team should be all holos so don't read into it, im just saying that a look at the catalogue, jp, youtube, google, the news, hell, even numbers and many other things would show that holo isn't overrepresented by any means.

>>59539915
>>59540470
this nigga sittin here replying to himself

>>59540740
are you legitimately mentally ill?
you cant just pretend every person that said something you didn't like is the same, or samefriending.

>thread quiet
>anon casually calls out the Holo bias and rigging
>defense force out instantly
not sus at all, manager bro

>shit on the floor in public
>multiple people tell you to not shit on the floor
>"clearly I am in the right"

>>59540839
I'm sorry you're not as slick as you think you are, but I accept your concession anyway

>>59538737
I also like the idea, any person with a brain will just ctrl+F instead of scrolling over 100+ WHOres

>>59538737
tf are you talking about?? default player models are PES players with a PNG instead of heads

Koopa...please

>>59542572
read the full post bro, please

I already took the glory after years of repping [s4s]. Nothing that has happened or will ever happen in cup history will top our 2021 World Cup run. As far as I'm concerned, I've escaped samsara. If there's indie representation on the team, I'll watch. If there isn't, I won't. Simple as

>>59543405
>2021 World Cup run
mickey mouse star lmao

>>59540470
>>59539915
>>59540706
>>59540839
>>59540884
>>/vt/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=https://forms.gle/uJtbMFpcYvX63icQ8
Like are you sharing the link to non-holo hugboxes then? all you do is cry about it

>>59543927
meds

>>59543927
What you mean?

>>59543664
1 of 1 baby. And we only got it after barreling through two of the league's fear-inducing juggernauts /mlp/ and /sp/ as well as surpassing our parent board /b/ in the final match. It was perfection on both a technical and narratorial level

>>59543927
>searching the google form instead of the cross-thread link
I intentionally don't give the google link to force people to use the divegrass thread, you're missing at least a few hits

>>59539915
No fucking shit no one shows up
Holobronnies mass vote holos but also dont watch the divegrass, even in the vtl holo teams gets less views than small corpo/indies.
If you make (again) a 90% holo team it's guarantee flop, fucking /#/ watch divegrass more than /hlgg/ or the holo splits

>>59544853
NTA but in my experience (not having watched a mainline cup in a couple years) /vt/ fans operate similar to pony fans: When their team is playing it's just a sea of their fans and then they disappear completely afterwards

>>59545102
>not having watched a mainline cup in a couple years
why are you here?

>>59545292
>>59543405

>>59544441
fair
it added 1 non-holo thread aware of this

Voted

>>59543405
I have no doubts /lig/ma balls makes the team.

>>59513515
I voted for all holo related players. I don't really care much for /vt/ since our kits sucked ass and the managers had no idea of performing proper HYP with goalhorn, anthems, and victory anthem leading to pure disappointment unlike with other board teams.
Oh, but put in the very past its due time KING for the goalhorn, something completely /vt/ unrelated as an anthem, and HERE COMES HOOOOOOOOOOOPE or any holo solo song for a team that is a mixture of various vtubers! This is a KINO/10 idea.

>>59551185
don't forget the goalhorns being all the same and unrelated to the striker

>>59551379
From memory they started to give players their own goal horn. Pikamee had an Oingo Boingo song and Watame had Watame Factory as hers.

>>59551581
if I remember correctly they only did it halfway through our last cup because the chat were starting to get annoyed

>>59522870
amazing poll

>>59551646
Nah, it was always in the export for that cup. The team just played poorly the 1st match and scored 0 goals.

>>59540470
The fuck else even represents board culture? The schizo bait threads? The Xitter screencap threads?

>>59524927
how the fuck did mikoboat manage to hang around
actual zombie player that shouldve been put to rest last cup

>>59513515
>open poll
>pick 10 hololive-related options
>submit
Remember to do your part.

>>59552814
I guess I was mistaking the goalhorns for the victory anthem or other things. I clearly remember the chat being annoyed by something at the least.

Pretty new to this whole thing, what happens after the voting is done?
Also, which PEF version will the games be played on and who will be the players?

If you submitted or voted for a /vdere/ related submission I wish you a very die. Traitorkeks get the rope insallah.

>>59554810
After the voting is done we start killing each other for the honor of all the vtubers that don't make the cut

>>59555555
WITNESSED

>>59554810
I don't know if the managers are around at the moment but you can find info and resources in the wiki
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vt/_League
Also an example of what went down in the recent one
https://youtu.be/oAPSJvd_Gkk?si=0rvNT7BwhIabjByS&t=146

>>59555555
Lmao. Checked

>>59521858
Numberfags deserve nothing but the rope.

I was on and off sleeping
>>59554810
After the voting for this is over the complete roster will be announced and then next weekend we will vote which of the players will become the 4 medals (best players on the team) . It will be on PES19 as that is what the 4cc admin have decided.
>>59551185
Every time we want to do something special with the music there are going to be people pissed off about it because they dont like the music or the vtuber who sings it. Internet Overdose is the anthem because it is generic, ie not specifically holo niji etc and still fits thematically. It also won the vote last cup to be the anthem. Here comes hope was something the last manager decided to use for a game because it was thematic, then it was voted to be kept as the goalhorn next cup and people then were upset that it was still the goalhorn. If people want us to say fuck it and use the music as a way to show more variety we can but if we did people would be pissed every fucking game a piece they dont like is played.
As for hype neither me or the other manager are top tier hype makers even when we try. If there are people who want to make hype after they see what teams we're drawn against we have info on the contact page on the wiki where you can send us stuff.

I like Lia from Phase Connect!

>>59555555
Checked

>>59538156
>I got the idea from /vsj+/ itself
You fucking faggot I hate you so much don't you EVER go into /vsj+/ thread ever again and don't you EVER claim that you got the idea from it.
Did you ask /vsj+/ thread? No.
Are you a regular in /vsj+/ thread? No.
Did you consider how people would feel about that player name? Did you consider kurofags opinion? No.
Then why the fuck you go to the /vsj+/ thread, pick a random bait from there that tourists posted then claim that you got idea from /vsj+/ yourself? Holy shit you got 0 self-awareness.
Whats next? "Zen is a man"? "Mouse should stop streaming"? "Froot should kill yourself"? What kind of bait are you gonna include next? Its from Vshojo thread after all. You are so fucking retarded, next time don't force yourself to "invent" memes, if you can't think of idea thats because there isnt any meme yet, you will only embarrass yourself because clearly your creativity is 0.
>>59538649
Fuck you too, you are retarded as well. There were some people that complained about "Talent Freedom" but there also were people who rightfully complained about some of suggested names (remember that this fucking 0 iq tactless idiot suggested "Is Ironmouse dead yet?" as a player and saw nothing wrong with it, he didn't even apologize) and also complained that Pink Cat won the poll and then manager decided to redo the poll just because, removing her from the team.

>>59522870
>54% people want minimum non-holo players
>20% would be ok with it
>only 24% dont want it
>I wont implement it because.... I dont want to!
Good job, manager.

>>59558745
One, I did apologize for that if you want another apology then I am sorry. I did not realize whatever illness or condition she has is as serious as it is and thought the posting about it significantly played it up.
Two, that was because we were planning on doing a slot system but because all of the pushback against it and the fact people didnt really seem to understand the system we washed our hands of it. That is why she was "removed"
>>59558830
We didnt want a repeat of last time, we wanted a peaceful and noncomplicated voting period. No matter what the outcome of those questions were we weren't going to implement anything this league theyre to show us people's thoughts so we know going forward.

>>59556333
Bit of a long shot but have you considered multiple rounds of voting? For example, do the initial poll then remove the bottom 50% of entrants and do it again , maybe a couple of times. There are so many options to choose from that it's going to be harder for Indies or smaller corpos to compete compared to larger fanbases. I get that having multiple rounds of voting is a hassle but it will give a greater voice to minority voters, the ones who don't just vote a straight holo ticket and make the overall process more democratic so I hope you'll consider something like that for next time

>>59559070
The more complicated the voting process the more people are going to get annoyed because they don't get it/want to take the time understand it just to vote. Also multiple rounds would require a ton of time and we're pretty limited to when we can do this. We feel before /vt/ League is way too early, and we don't want to poll while /vt/ league is going on so that limits us to a very small timeframe.

>>59558966
>We didnt want a repeat of last time
Last time was on you though, you fucked up with the voting its not the system who was at fault. Moreover, last time you didn't even follow with that system, you discarded it in favour of popularity vote. So what "repeat" are you talking about?
>but because all of the pushback against it
first off, people were happy
second, you got one guy'd by DMs
third and most important. YOU DIDN'T ASK. You just decided "oh well, there are 3 people that unhappy with the system, better to quietly change all of it by myself"
And again. You said you fucked up when counting votes, making whole system invalid. Why are you blaming the system? You keep saying "people were negative about the system" but in that very poll only 24% of people would be unhappy. Can you stop trying to bend narrative and face what really happened? Be responsible, take the consequences.

>>59559175
>You didnt even follow that system
Yes we didnt follow through with it because we got a ton of pushback on it. That's what I said. And no it was not "oh just 3 people didnt like it" so don't be disingenuous there were plenty of people who were against it and people came from multiple threads fighting on either side in the divegrass threads. The fuckup on counting votes was just another part of the mess that made us throw it away and just go with the popular vote.
And it's really easy to say a poll result taken after the fact shows that no one cared but now is not 6 months ago, and the results of that question were never going to change how this cup's voting system went as was said in the question. We will use that info going forward to help decide what we do next time.

>think of the small corpos
No one cares about your whores.

>>59559379
whatever man, I'm fine as long as your team doesn't include obvious and shitty bait as "ironmouse is dead" ever again. I don't really care and no one in /vsj+/ cares as well besides that.
I really hope it will work out, I want people to be happy with the team.

>>59559170
I get that but then you're just going to keep running into the same problem that happens everytime:
>don't include every indie/small corpo
>they complain about no representation
verses:
>include every indie/small corpo
>vote is split massively and none get in anyway
>they complain about no representation
time restraints suck but i hope you figure it out because lots of people want to support /vt/

>>59559541
If you want to write up a possible idea for multiple stage voting and post itt or send it to me or the other manager we can take a look at but again even if the system makes sense we cant guarantee anything because of time constraints and complexity.

>>59559541
On the note of representation I think it's more important to have some /vt/ culture memes in to represent "/vt/ - the board" rather than "vtubers - the phenomenon" by having all-holo roster.

>>59559825
The problem with memes is that they take roster space away from chuubas

It's more fucked up how we literally have /vt/ cup and the managers are against at making it have any affect with how teams are decided but still decide it with popularity votes when it's obvious how majority of the people here are EN/JP Holo only watchers.

>>59559661
alright, off the top of my head:
a rough count shows ~260 options, this is a lot of possibilities which is both a blessing (my oshi is on the list) and a curse (she'll never get enough votes)

i propose that the first round be the same as it currently is, all options available, pick 10

after this comes first pass:
all options greater than or equal to 50% of the vote are automatically in, all options with 0 votes are automatically out

for example, there are 300 responses and 150 vote for THE JAW so she's locked in and ~20 got no votes so they're all out, now we have ~240 options and 9 slots, we can't do another round yet though as it would be identical to the first round so now we need the cutoff:

i see two ways this could be done and both can work so would really be your preference,

first would be an arbitrary cutoff, take the bottom 30%, 50% or 70% of the votes and discard them (depends on how harsh you want to be) leaving you with 168, 120 or 72 options and run the vote again

second would be discarding everyone with less than a certain percentage of the votes e.g. 5%, 10%, 20% - so anyone with less than 15, 30 or 60 votes would be gone, how many options this leaves you with is up to the results but there needs to be at least more than 9 and if too harsh will garner complaints

now for the second round, lets say we went with slicing off the bottom 70%, arbitrary and harsh but we need to get shit done, we have 72 options and 9 choices. this time we got 250 votes, 6 players got over 50% of the vote so they're in, none got 0 so no cutoff there and we're left with 66 options and 3 slots so now there's a decision to be made, do you take the next 3 highest options and call it there or go for a 3rd round?

i would say it depends, if there are clear favourites and a bunch of shitters then pick the next 3 and call it there, if there's contention then do another cutof (bottom 70% so 20 options left) with voters only getting a single choice to make and picking the top 3

that's the general gist of my proposal and i made a few assumptions with my examples, with the data at hand you'd be able to make a more informed opinion. the most important part is the cutoff between votes - getting rid of niche options and presenting a way for the non-holo voters to have options that may not be perfect but are good enough to be satisfied. posting the results of the poll with a clear demarcation of whose getting discarded and why in-between rounds is also vital to making informed choices

>>59561304
proofreading
> take the bottom 30%, 50% or 70% of the votes
should be
> take the bottom 30%, 50% or 70% of candidates

>>59561304
>>59561413
hmm to be honest I'll have to go over this again when I've had more sleep but I understand the basic idea of what youre going for here. If we had another cup where we had 10 slots open we could do like the initial vote like this and take lets say the top 3, then we could cut off the bottom 50% of options and run it again to get the last 7. Just as an idea. Thank you for the suggestion anon I'll run this by the other manager and we'll consider some form of this kind of idea for next time.

>>59561503
no problem, just a note though, the system should be able to work with any number of slots open, not just 10

just don't include kson in your thirdieball team if you're gonna be shitty about it like last time

>>59559175
Fuck off.
Last time the """"system"""" was just disregarding the popular votes to include whatever Aname wanted like /lig/ma balls (which had nowhere near top 23 votes) over some of the top 10 picks.
They tried to do retarded things like claim "ogey rrat and The Numbers Queen are the same player" to make space, or have watamage removed entirely because "she was a ball" (even tho, again, two massively different memes), or just ignoring /pcg/'s second voted in rep be ause "they weren't big enough to be represented twice, gotta have some more diverse players".
The system was not only shit, but also it wasn't even used, it was just a bad excuse.
That they walked it back and just went sheer popularity was the only sensible thing these managers ever did.

https://twitter.com/bunnyonvt/status/1708055625266344422
cute...

>>59522870
I think it would be better if the poll is "should there be a maximum amount of hololive players on the team?"
>this does not impact this cup's voting
Nevermind then. No point on having this poll at all.
>>59524927
11 Hololive players are already in and the medals are guaranteed to be in those 11 players, and you still think we should still be allowed to vote for more and that we shouldn't limit holoilve players? I only watch Hololive but I think it's ridiculous how almost all of the players are from Hololive and that you are still not limiting them.
I even came with a receipt to back myself up.
Seriously, stop with the holo bias.

>>59562443
>I only watch hololive
I'm sure you do, buddy.
Team should represent the board. The board is 90% Hololive

>>59561944
you are retarded
Why the fuck you are complaining about popularity when THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT of that system was to bypass popularity voting?
> to include whatever Aname wanted
People voted, not Aname
>which had nowhere near top 23 votes
Like i said, you're fucking stupid. You are complaining that system that is designed to NOT be about top 23 ignores top 23?
>Nooo, this pekora model is different, she has blue tint to represent /#/ thread, totally new player!
Fuck off. Still pekora.
>watamage removed entirely because "she was a ball"
HFZ already had a good rep, having 2 is repeating. Not to mention watamage is /hfz/ meme not /vt/ meme.
>That they walked it back and just went sheer popularity was the only sensible thing these managers ever did.
No, it was the single most retarded thing the manager ever did. It was bad because:
1) it was uncoordinated
2) he decided it himself, no vote
3) people voted with the SYSTEM in mind, not with popularity in mind. Many people, including me, thought "oh, since we are guaranteed to have 5 non-holo players I'll vote for my favourite holos so they will make it" which is very different from popularity vote where you DON'T want to vote for anyone but your reps.
You fags not only ruined Aname reputation but also whole /vt/'s investment in /vt/ team because YOU did not understand the system and YOU were unhappy despite system being more than fair. And in the end even YOU fags are not happy. Good fucking job.

>>59562786
>give proof
>ignores it entirely
>the board is 90% hololive
Yeah, hololive bait threads you mean.
Every time I try to go to my general threads, most of the things I see on the catalog are hololive bait threads or Gura not streaming threads. We had a /vt/ cup and we had a good amount of non-holo teams so I don't believe what you said at all.

>>59562862
>This much seethe
In the end popularity won and it will continue to win if they want this team to be watched. Your irrelevant, literal who reps got weeded out? Get fucked.
Do continue to to bump the thread with your anger tho

>>59563404
It won and it was shit, even holofags hated it, aname hated it and everyone hated it.
you got fucked over and you cried and harassed aname until he gave in to your demands
/#/ fags are pathetic

>the schizo is having a melty again
kek

>>59561963
It would be nice to let her in considering the restreaming she's done for the past few years

Why is there like ten /#/ reps there?

Also It should have been FORBIDDEN FOUR instead of the stupid as fuck "Take it to /d/" player
Unless you're a Janny no one said that ever

>>59563677
/#/ anons complained about not having enough options last time so we added some. some are more /#/ memes some are more just generally about #. Also yeah your name is better I just renamed it to that since last time I think it was named Quartet of Banned Generals or something and thought I'd change the name see if people preferred it. Will keep that name in mind for next poll thanks.

I have a technical questions since it came to me in a dream kind of situation after latest poll.
Is it possible with this UV scrolling thingy or whatever it is called in Blender to change model head every few seconds? There is a HAG LOVE player and I think it would be cool for it to change the head of the different hag every few seconds since the player represents the HAGS (plural)

>>59564164
yes it is possible but it will look bad

>>59564164
UV scroll only partially works on 19, and all it does is slide the texture around to show different parts of it as the player moves. Tldr no

>>59564164
I'm not sure if UV scroll can be used to do that. Most applications of UC scroll I've seen are taking one thing and posing it differently. I'm not sure if it can be used to just cycle through heads. It'd also be kinda weird if the body stayed the same and the head was mismatching. Either way I will make sure to ask. UV scroll is also much more jank and likely to break on 19 than 21 too.
Either way we'll probably go with the kit switching thing where it is a different hag on different kits. The hags in question depending on which players end up being on the final roster of course.

>>59563501
Kek stay mad

>>59562862
>Watamage is a /hfz/ meme
I want to agree with you, but then you say stuff like this and it is clear you never left your general.
Please stop embarrassing yourself

>>59513515
Why is Aruran said to be part of starsEN?

>>59551185
This right here is a perfect encapsulation on why /vt/ shouldn't even have a 4cc team. The fans don't even want the team to have a goalhorn, they don't want any unifying aspects to make the team anything resembling the definition of "team". Everyone that comes to watch /vt/ comes to watch their one specific chuuba and expect her to have all the preferential treatment in the world and will shit themselves if not.
There is no point to this "team", it is 23 mercenaries in the same kit, and retards don't even like that part

>>59565041
that is because I messed that up when putting the poll together my apologies. Also noticing I put two as HolostarsJP instead of just StarsJP. will fix that rn

>>59564619
The idea in my head was that it was default player model with booooba for easy kit switch and only head plus hair change every few seconds. The plan was also to prevent stupid discussion like which hag to use of HAG LOVE model and make everybody happy.
The easy way would be for example to change player name to something like HAG OF THE DAY and manually switch model every /vt/ match. That's just my input I don't make any decisions here.

>>59561304
...
so after all this pointless circus, are retards going to stop crying about muh holobronies sweeping on first round? because it will not change anything lol
less obvious shitpost btw

>>59561963
Kiki is a goodbun and deserves a spot

>>59565775
Majority says no. Get fucked

>>59565055
That's how I've always felt about the team. It's why from the beginning I wanted the roster to feature board culture instead of reps so it was something that could be enjoyed by everyone, but the voters wanted yet more console wars. In the end I gave up because now that the voters have had a taste of console wars bullshit why would they be satisfied with a unity roster? I had to accept that /vt/ is what it is, not what I wish it was.
In a depressing way this team is probably more representative of what the board truly is than any team in the 4cc.

>>59565775
I wouldn't mind her, she's homegrown so she is kind of like vt culture, would even cover the obligatory cunny chuuba,

>>59565966
The worst part is that neither console wars nor culture reps got people interested in the team. The former would get you people who would posture in the thread about Hololive dominance and then not actually show up to watch and the latter would be blasted for being too catalog-bait or whatever when it would usually just be hated by I-only-use-my-split types. It's sad, but I think the decay keeps getting worse, like you mentioned

>>59565055
So /vg/ in a nutshell?

>>59566073
Well my Board Culture thread is a Terminate on Sight by the Hotpockets Eaters. And we're still brought up even now. Also Blue Haired Girls and Elves are the strongest vtubers

>>59565548
democracy often leads to not getting what you want - you can't please all of the people all of the time and in /vt/ pleasing even some of the people some of the time can be an impossible ask, but you should always try anyway and, if possible, look for ways to do things better and satisfy more people. i'm fully aware that hololive is popular, if the polls say over 50% of the board want an all-holo team who am i to argue? but i'd rather a system exists that gives non-holos a chance to succeed even if they don't than one that dismisses them outright

I voted only holos in

guarantee you that if Pippa, Lia and Kiki are on the team, the peanut gallery becomes real quiet.

>>59569528
Well obviously it will be quiet, because no one will watch then

If Hololive members dom the team just make two of em. One for Hololive and one for everyone else.

>>59570628
Are you normally this retarded?

I think there should be a limit to how many players a Corp gets have on the team, with Holos getting anywhere between 7-9 and everyone else getting 3-5 to prevent people trying to rig the team so that it's all just one specific corpo either out of spite or mental illness.

>>59571185
Nah.

>>59570748
No no no, he's right, but not everyone will be happy if it's limited to two teams, there should be a team for every generals! And people here don't really care about other boards so it would be better to only do /vt/ team vs /vt/ team. We could call it something like "vtleague" or something.

>>59571349
That could never work.

>>59571341
And what's your suggestion?

>>59571675
All holos + Pippa dressed as Pekora

>>59571675
Whatever the popularity poll shows. I don't give a shit about equal representation.

>>59571185
I agree. Having a majority of non-Holo players would get me to watch and become invested in the /vt/ team. And you want me invested in the /vt/ team, I'm a new pair of eyes with a foward-thinking set of ideals, the old watchers have brought you nothing but derision and vitriol, you want them gone

>>59572277
No I gave Holo a bigger cut so they'll be satisfied since I still do agree it should be majority Hololive, but there should be some other Non-holoshit since /vt/ isn't just hololive anymore and anybody wanting more than their cut deserve to be called Holobeggers.

>>59572601
Well sure Hololive can have the most slots on the team, but nine is still less than 50% of the 23 available slots

>>59572861
Oh I see, I'm not great with numbers so thanks for pointing that, maybe 11, with Ogey Rrat and Nenechi making it 13 by technicality since they are permanent but won't count towards the 11.

>>59572277
hey its broader audience but vt! what could ever go wrong?
i think >>59562862 was a good system, but the issue with anything but popularity voting now is that people do not trust the current manager and i don't think saying "anything that uses the managers personal discernment is a non starter" is an exaggeration. and he's more than earned that lack of trust.
i just want a direct vote.
i don't even think that the manager is a bad person, but i do think he does a bad job. he is uniquely talented at both pissing everybody off, and having little tantrums whenever anybody notes the things he does wrong or even talks to him.
so people stop talking to him and take everything he does the wrong way, it doesn't even matter if he does what he does out of malice or incompetence, the result it he makes everyone mad.
he is also unable to do even basic things he promises he will, like getting emotes, things apparently any anon off the board can accomplish. and it might just be because the 4cc people hate him too, and not /vt/ in general, i really just dont know, but i know that if they do, i cant blame them, i struggle to think of anyone so good at making absolutely everyone seethe.
i miss the old manager. we had it so good with triangle.

>>59573060
11 is too small, maybe 18, also how do you decide which other corpos get a slot and how many slots?
vsj+, niji and pcg come to mind as deserving of slots but there are a ton of smaller corpos and also things like ui, wvt, kiki, koopa, and a ton of indies

>>59573281
>18
Make it 23 as minimum

>>59573281
>>59573949
holobeggar posts

>>59573082
>i miss the old manager. we had it so good with triangle.
The fans drove him away and now the fans are reaping what they sowed.

>>59574513
just come back bro we can make a delu slot...

>>59574513
Our very first cup was so good and it felt like we're actually a team and the manager actually being connected with the fans. Now, it feels like the manager is so disconnected with the team or with the fans ironically because of him trying to appeal to what everyone wants.

>>59540715
this isn't really an argument for anything but this post made me curious and i counted up the teams by tags for holo teams and nonholo teams:
holo teams: 412 user
nonholo teams: 333 user
of course this ignores tag switching since for example many people switched to /uuu/ near the final, but all things considered, for the VTL, the viewerbase is actually pretty well split

>>59560902
/vt/ is made of topic bubbles, it's almost as balkanized as /vg/. Holo is just the biggest bubble. There's so much nonholoniji content I spend my day here reading all kinds of things not holo/niji related and dont even have enough time to keep up with all of it. At this point I'd rather the board was split into /holoniji/ and /vtubers/ or some shit.

>>59574828
/vtg/ soon

>>59577299
/vtg/ would unironically fix the entire issue of voting for the team I think

>>59578153
/vtg/ would also have the balls to put the outcome of the poll they did to impact the cup's voting

>>59578432
>poll
it would just end up like the /vg/ league but I dont think the league would end up tryhard. I would literally be fine with the top 23 teams with the way things are, even if /mythread/ didnt win or get on the team. Because the people who watch the /vtl/ think its kino in general.

>>59579005
The roster ending up like /vg/ would solve every problem

>>59579005
>league would be tryhard
This is why the vt team being made up 100% of Team Captains idea is the money idea.
>puts the burden on threads to vote and pick their own captain
>It self policies the holo monopoly
>encourages variety of reps
>eliminates dramanigger cancer memes
>if people bitch, managers can say "dont like it? blame your thread who voted ___ as captain"

Why they fight it, it is a mystery.

>>59579936
>Why they fight it, it is a mystery.
Look at the managers names and it's not hard to figure out, anon

>>59580015
Imagine if this happened to /sp/
>manager's name were "hocDiveGrass" and ">rags"
>every non /hoc/ meme was kicked off the team
>poll was rigged to all /hoc/ reps on the team

they would be kicked out of the 4cc so fast for manager fc. This is what they have done.

>>59580015
Can't the board just get together and depose them? I'm pretty sure that's what happened to that /mlp/ manager after he had a public melty over losing to their sister team [s4s]

>>59580483
Oh I got it wrong, it was their lost against /pol/ where the manager threw a fit

>>59580432
4cc love /sp/ and it is protected.
4cc hates /vt/ and are laughing at the managers being despised and the fans being KWAB'd by said managers.

god can you stop bitching about fucking anons the real reason the vtl is nice is that it's not obsessing over all the namefags doing stuff like 4cc is, most generals don't know who their manager is and that's perfect.

>>59580678
Most generals have a manager who do well at representing their thread's culture

>>59513515
Expecting to see all hololive members on the team just to see these beggars seethe more. Voting only holos for the cause

>>59562862
>HFZ already had a good rep, having 2 is repeating. Not to mention watamage is /hfz/ meme not /vt/ meme.
I mostly agree with you, but this isn't a good look. You could argue Watamage as a meme is dead outside of /hfz/, but you can't simply call it an "/hfz/ meme". Do your archive reps before talking about history you're not familiar with.

>>59580741
There's a poll, vote for the representation you want. In fact there's been a bunch of them.

>>59563038
>We had a /vt/ cup and we had a good amount of non-holo teams so I don't believe what you said at all.
Which threads sign up to the /vt/ cup is not representative of board activity in the slightest. A majority of total posts on the board are made in hlgg, /NijiEN/ and /#/. 10 generals with 2 posts per hour don't mean shit when it comes to looking at how many percent of the board belong to chuubas/corpos.

>>59581076
I think having a more varied roster is to everyone's benefit though.

>>59580928
No I'd rather just take it by force or not participate

>>59581187
I think the team should represent the board. Might not look great, but that just makes it accurate.

>>59579936
this is the best idea

>>59581076
>A majority of total posts on the board are made in hlgg, /NijiEN/ and /#/
If we're going by thread metrics then half of the team belongs to indies and VShojo

>>59581778
Even in your cherrypicked screenshot of a minority of threads, Vshojo and Indies don't make up half the posts per minute.

>>59581910
>cherrypicked screenshot
holy fuck you're retarded on purpose aren't you

>>59581910
Here, watch it for however long you like, any time of day. It's not going to change the fact that /lig/, /vsj+/, and /pcg/ are regularly the top 5 fastest threads on the board. And like you said, the team should represent board activity, so cough up those slots :^)
https://4stats.io/

>>59582019
Not to mention, the majority of the conversation taking place on the board is in the generals (which are represented by VTL captains). At any given time of the day /asp/ of all godforsaken threads is destroying the majority of holo-threads for purposes of activity. If he wants reps by activity then popularity is not where he wants to be arguing.

>>59581076
/pcg/ is fairly regularly the fastest board on the thread. How many spots do you want them to have retard?

>>59513515
Damn. This team is a mess. That's what I get just from reading this thread. Here's my take with this team.

>/vt/ has enough or more than enough generals and threads for a whole 23 players
>could have picked 18 generals as players or poll all the generals until the top 18 and the remaining 5 as board's most popular culture
>instead they decided to pick players one by one from thread cultures/popularity/memes/talents/etc which /vt/ has gazillion of
I don't know what the manager/s were smoking when they decided to come up with this solution when they could have copied /jp/ or most of the other boards for that matter, really that each player consists of each general from the board.
Your style of picking players could only work with smaller boards or boards that have a unified opinion with almost everything.

>>59583106
>unified opinion with almost everything.
We're pretty unified with having only holos as players.

>>59583467
Kill yourself faggot

>>59583061
Spots proportional to total board activity. Why do you think asking that is a gotcha?

>>59583508
Hololive board. Without Hololive /vt/ wont exist

>>59583790
Incorrect.

>>59583790
>look guys I said the meme

>>59583790
It's a great company. Shame about the talents and fans though

>>59583854
>>59583896
>>59583941
>1 minute difference

>>59583994
Good one

>>59583994
meds holobrony

>>59583994
you got me

>>59513515
Can't we just reuse the last members or use all the big corpos vtubers

I'm just going to say it plainly because I've already gone over this idea trying to explain why we don't do it. Even outside of the fact we won't just base the team off of /vt/ League the very idea of 40 options of just team captains from the threads that happen to sign up being more representative than 250+ options that has basically every captain in the poll already is moronic.
>>59585943
anon people want the team to change and have the chance to vote for the stuff they like to be on the team it's also impossible to represent every big vtuber ever on a 23 man roster.
>>59583106
>or most of the other boards for that matter, really that each player consists of each general from the board.
That is not how most the overwhelming majority of boards even the ones with a heavy amount of generals do it at all.

>>59586310
That's how all of the balkanized boards operate. And guess what? You're the manager of a balkanized board, gotta start acting like it

>>59586310
You say this like things are going well and you have things figured out.

>>59586310
People keep saying how making it the VTL captains would be better and everyone loves it etc, but did the VTL managers actually even give opinions about this?

>>59586310
>we won't just base the team off of /vt/ League the very idea of 40 options of just team captains from the threads that happen to sign up being more representative than 250+ options that has basically every captain in the poll already is moronic
All you're doing here is making much more work for yourself only to end up in a worse state. Those threads with /vt/ League teams didn't just "happen to sign up", they're invested in the game. They put time and effort into organizing their own teams, choosing players and putting together kits and goalhorns and art, they enjoy participating in these divegrass events. If you give them a chance to participate in the /vt/ team they will come and they will support you because they have the passion for this. What effort, what dedication, what love does it require for someone to fill out a Google form?

Since each thread was in charge of their own team, you have a succinct and accurate representation of that thread's culture laid out right in front of you. You don't need to spend weeks making these polls with literally hundreds of random phoned in options for people to comb through in an attempt to find the best choices for players. It's a waste of time and energy and all it gets you is people shitting on you.

>>59586310
Stop being dense. It's not about "all the captains being on the poll already"

Posters want the team to be made of of NOTHING BUT CAPTAINS.

Why was the Team Captains idea never even voted on?
Posters seemed on board with it, and you just full steam ahead ignored the idea completely. I wonder why.....

>>59587061
VTL managers have no say over this team any more than a random anon coming in and giving their opinions. and multiple people have told you they also dont like the idea but I guess they just dont count to you.
>>59587079
This is the /vt/ team not the /vt/ League Team. I participate in /vt/ League I love it, I love that gens get to show off their own thread culture, but someone or their thread being very active and into it does not magically make their votes count more than anyone else's. The only requirement for you to vote in the poll is that you use /vt/. You can have never watched a single second of /vt/ League and still use /vt/. The team is decided by a vote not just based off of the flair count in the /vt/ League cytube.
>>59587340
That is an awful way of doing it. All that essentially is is purposefully limiting options so you get the kind of team you want. We will not do it that way. If people want those players and chuubas they can vote for their equivalent in the poll.

>>59587340
because: >>59580015
they want a complete Holo team. Team Captains limits it to probably 15 Holos. They are gonna stuff the ballot for as long as it takes in order to get the results they want. They can see who is leading votes, and will stuff in order to counter.
They have done it before and will keep doing it. They don't care about actually putting out a team the board can be happy with. They care about their shitty Walmart company having a team and nobody else is included.

>>59587498
>VTL managers have no say over this team any more than a random anon coming in and giving their opinions
You didn't understand the question, but given how you're responding to everything else so far that seems par for the course.

>>59586310
you know for someone who bitches about how /vt/ards are always the butt of the joke in divegrass circles you say some pretty retarded things. obviously it is impossible to represent everybody, nobody should be expecting that, but it would be way easier and simpler to just use already established /vt/l captains and vote based on those instead of a massive wall of board memes and have everyone be angry over lack of representation when you can not legitimately expect that kind of system to realistically be balanced in any sort of way like you seem to want. not only would it be less options to chose from, but they would be far more diverse and allow everyone to be on equal footing. holobronies would still make up the majority of the team, non holo threads would feel like they would have a chance of actually being on the team, and you wouldn't have to go through all this trouble of suggesting shit like quotas for non holo players. you are the architect of your own demise, and every problem with this team is one you created.
but you don't want a diverse and good selection for the roster, do you? you don't actually care at all. you would rather shit around in your little captains chair and call us the fool while you gleefully look at the seething people in the thread.

>>59587079
excellent post!
>>59587061
im sure a few have but this place should not be namefriend based, 4chan works on the principle that arguments are whats valuable, not who makes them
i like the captains idea, and i have reservations against the current poll because of things like >>59558745 and myriad other examples, also what >>59587079 said
there is a tremendous disconnect between what people in given generals think is a fun meme, and what the manager who never sets foot in those generals does.
it would also keep things like sisters and other outright bait out.
at the end of the day if im a manager, caretaker, king, god or retard shouldn't make a difference, a broken clock an be right, and if things become personality and not idea driven, then the place becomes the sort of circlejerk people come here to avoid in the first place
-anonymous

all the people complaining about a holo-dominated poll, how many of you posted in your non-holo threads? there's still two days to go, if those vtl teams are so passionate about divegrass surely they'll want to express themselves here right?

>>59587498
How do we get you out of the drivers seat for this team? You are fucking awful.

You literally got us aborted in Spring. You should have been sacked immediately.

This is YOU. You haven't WON A SINGLE FUCKING GAME. YOU ignore what people want. You ignore suggestion.

Why are you tolerated? You are way out of your depth. Terrible board relations. terrible tactics. Nobody is happy with the job you're doing.

>>59587539
>>59587532
>>59587548
>>59587644
>>59587340
I'm going to be extremely honest with you. I know exactly who you are and between your two teams in /vt/ league, you have contributed nothing of value. You did not make the models for your teams, you did not make tactics, you do not make the portraits correctly, you did not submit even the requests on time, you did not update the roster for one of them out of neglect, and you do not even own a computer.

You are a phoneposter who has freeloaded off of other people's hard work for two leagues and you have the audacity to complain? You know nothing, not even a crumb

>>59587689
nobody is going to step up and do the tactics, I would rather the team play poorly than not play at all

>>59587644
This. Irrelevant threads keep bitching but can't even put the efforts in to make a few dozen alts to vote

>>59587722
I'm one of the quoted posts and I'm none of those things. Maybe its time to take your meds and walk away from the pitch

>>59587744
>nobody is going to step up
fuck off. the fucking pyon manager would do better than you and step up.

>>59587498
People only dislike the idea of mixing /vtl/ with /vt/ team because of you retards at the helm inevitably fucking it up.

>>59587744
Plenty of managers in the /vt/ League do their own tactics for their teams. Just get one of them to do it

>>59587744
I'll do the tactics

>>59587779
im not the manager retard, and you dont manage anything either

>>59587722
say the name so we can call you a dumb faggot for getting it wrong

>>59587744
>nobody is going to step up.
Nigga LMAO.

still waiting FOR YOU to step up for tactics btw. You haven't WON A SINGLE GAME.

>>59587815
>Just get one of them to do it
Look at the state of this thread, who on earth would want to be thrown into this meat grinder of hatred...

>>59587722
i hate that nigga too but if you see his blatantly obvious typing style in any of those posts you're beyond braindead.

>>59587779
And just like that we head into an even worse flame war over the roster because all of a sudden Kiki is gold captain for life.

>>59587722

>>59587820
i second anon, at this point i don't care if we win, i think it would be hard to do a worse job than the current manager.

>>59587867
At the rate this is going that grinder would turn into a red carpet for basically anyone

>>59587815
I dont think any of them would want to do it, and if anyone really wants to they would go through the proper channel to do so. Anyone posting "I'll do it" in the thread wont actually do anything. If you want to do something, contact people in management.

It's kinda fitting that the thread for the /vt/ team is full of doomposting schizos sperging out about personalities instead of doing anything of value. I guess the captain idea has some value, but it's also a fact the poll has every captain for all intents and purposes, so if they're desired they can end up on the team.
Well, anyway, let's see how the team turns out after this poll, and we can course correct next time if the distribution is still not optimal. Good luck manager, your job isn't easy.

I wish Tri was still manager :(
he at least had good board relations. These 2 faggots are awful. Killing the team.

>>59587886
Impossible Kiki can't score except that time she did

surely no one would fall for an obvious copypasta right?
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/text/I%27m%20going%20to%20be%20extremely%20honest%20with%20you.%20I%20know%20exactly%20who%20you%20are/

>>59587498
>This is the /vt/ team not the /vt/ League Team
What are you trying to say here, that these two demographics are somehow different? If the /vt/ League represents /vt/, then what does the /vt/ team represent? It feels like you're trying very hard to turn a blind eye to 80% of the board's population, and looking at the rest of the thread I don't think anyone here, the people that you're supposed to be representing, are seeing things the way you are

>>59587947
people here reacted the exact same way as they did now, but you wouldnt know that would you tourist

>>59587895
Oh fuck, I didn't expect anyone to second me, but I'll do it.

>>59587867
Would gladly welcome someone new with open arms if they at least make more of an effort to listen to us than this mouthbreather

>>59587498
That other response was not me, to elaborate, what i meant with the question was, did they actually voice an opinion of VTL captains being used for the team since it would affect the VTL if it would be a thing.
>>59587548
I'm not asking them to come in going all "i am manager of X and i think this" but AnAme is a manager there himself, so he could have potentially talked with them and gotten a feel about how those feel. A majority of anons liking the idea does not necessarilly translate to a majority of managers of the VTL being of the same opinion. Linking the /vt/ team with the VTL does also affect the VTL after all.

>>59587820
>>59587979
Get in there champ.

>>59587744
>>59587498
Get that guy in there to do the tactics

>>59588050
if he wants to do things, he can use the resources available to try to do things

>>59587972
No they didn't. I remember when he had a metldown and quit after getting humiliated vs /out/ people encouraged him to stay on and were very understanding.

People like him. He runs the damn vt League. He has good board relations. T

These 2 holofag jabronies couldn't run popsicle stand, let alone a divegrass team. @ cups haven't won a damn game and got us aborted. We would be better off as an auto pilot.

>>59587867
you misunderstand, people aren't hating on the manager out of nowhere, he excels at pissing people off
funny thing here is that people misunderstand what the job here is
its not to make amazing hypes, have amazing aes, have amazing music, a great wiki, or even winning games
nobody cares about that
people care about having fun
the manager/caretakers job is that one simple thing: to have fun with his vt bros
and that's the one thing i think the current manager is unable of doing.
he excels at snapping at people, arguing inane shit, and is analy retentive about the tiniest minutia
but i don't think he is having fun or excited about anything, or interested in sharing anything with us or even talking with us
and he projects that

>everybody thinks the managers are shit and have no redeeming quality
>BE THE CHANGE
>try to be the change
>NO NOT LIKE THAT. WE;RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
absolute state. no wonder everybody hates this damn team.

>>59588134
signed, i love triangle and he did a great job and we had fun back then
i wish he would come back. he got the board and he understood how to interact with it.

>>59587867
These managers are on their way out, plenty of people will be looking to fill the resulting power vacuum. And the community will just be happy to have some change

>>59587933
Do any of them even know about the opportunity?

>>59588289
I'm sure a few check the thread out of general interest but its not like there's a job vacancy post anywhere with neon lights.

Hey, if you love polls so much, how about making a poll if current manager should get the boot or not and which /vtl/ manager, who is ready to step up, to make a new one?

>>59588015
i don't think he cares what anyone thinks and thats why these threads are like this to begin with. i don't think managers have a more successful time communicating with him.

>go vote finally
>250 god forsaken options
>PLAP PLAP PLAP isn't even an option

these mangers don't have a clue.

>>59588224
Like >>59588134 said, he's still around but he's running the /vt/ leauge. With how dedicated and on point he is with it, he's far too busy to actually run this team anymore. What's really needed is new blood.

>>59588205
fuck it I'm linking this thread to the main 4chan cup thread, lets make them at least aware of what goes on here

>>59587933
>>59588089
What are the proper channels? What are the available resources? Explain to me like I'm a retard how I can go from a shitposter on this board to actually contributing to the cup and making a difference

>>59588496
Where is even the main thread?

>>59588410
thats the thing, no one wants to be a /vt/ manager

>>59588205
anon, the real issue is that theres no way to dislodge the current manager
he is as incompetent and widely reviled as he is sure hes the only man for the job
did you miss his little meltdown last week?
NOBODY is good enough to replace him.

>>59588534
>>>/vg//4ccg/

>>59588542
t. current management

>>59588520
step 1. go to the wiki
step 2. read it
you should be able to manage from there, and if you cant then you arent capable of being a manager

>>59588520
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Main_Page
Godspeed anon, anything you need will be here

>>59574693
>le holobronnie teams
>/warkop/ /fig/ /pink/
ogey anon

>>59588496
This is how you make sure the roster is 100% holo instead of 80%. The main 4cc thread will spite vote against what this thread wants and the roster poll's verification question isn't exactly difficult to get around.

>>59588520
he just got appointed by triangle based on seeming comptetent i guess
so go on triangles discord and ask triangle maybe

You're asking me for what essentially amounts to brand loyalty, obviously I'm gonna vote for what I like rather than what best represents /vt/, but it's meaningless since I'm in the minority. It's understandable to want a "proven" roster you can back up with numbers, but "fairness" doesn't mean a good result. The best way to use this information is to just manually pick players only using the poll as a guide. I don't really understand how polling the managers is more fair or more accurate, but I'm sure they can at least agree on what's consistent across different generals to help prioritize that. I guarantee you that people will still complain even if it's democratic AND you won't have any kind of logical or style reasoning to actually respond to the criticism. Having some fucking middle manager curate everything can be very frustrating, but inversely, making good calls is the only way to build trust.

>>59588671
the current manager is allergic to good calls.

bumped to death by schizos, a worthy death for any /vt/ thread

>>59588597
Not retard proof enough, try harder

>>59588614
That's better but it's still not good enough to go canvasing with. If I'm going to go around the threads looking for people who want to help run the /vt/ team, I'll need something more comprehensive. I'll just put something together myself

>>59588656
>poll verification question controlled by a holobronie
it was rigged from the start

>>59588743
Oh don't worry you retarded niggerger if you don't make another thread for this vote I'll GLADLY bake for you, your spitroasting is nowhere near done.

>>59588671
>making good calls is the only way to build trust
You may be asking yourself how we got here

>>59588835
the verification question is literally "who is your oshi and why?" anyone who can't answer that should leave this board immediately

>>59574693
>individual girl threads pyon and lia had more chat reps than hlgg and numbers
>they will be gatekept off the team

Why not wait for the actual poll results to come in?

>>59588652
all three of those threads got a decent chunk of holoreps on their teams, it would also not really change the fact that viewers are pretty evenly split among holos and nonholos, it would support this in fact

>>59588904
Yeah, but who decides if the answer is valid and moves the goalposts to suit their worldview?

The poll question is the way it is because people complained to the old manager that they were too specific and they had no way of knowing the answer. The one comes to mind was a question like "whats the name of this purple drink" and it was about Mori and lean. So the question is something anyone can answer because of that.

>>59588956
Because then they will just say "The poll is over, you should have said sooner if you had a problem"

>>59589020
>>59588956
that's what happened last time
>you missed the 24 hour poll? 2bad should go out of your general more LMFAO

>>59588965
It's a pretty binary sort of thing. Either you A. put your effort into it and tell them about your oshi or B. you call the manager a nigger and submit your response

http://poal.me/pjmgn

pls vote on the votes

>>59582019
>here are my stats that prove this threads are full of woman
ogey? no need for the confirmation but it does shine a light on who tf is bitching in all this thread BUT CAN NOT VOTE ONCE to save their reps.

>>59588956
[spoiler...]500 responses *wink*
HoloSweep
1 Niji/Vshojo
Pippa bench
[/spoiler]

>>59588896
personally i'm hoping for these threads to keep going so i can spam them in other threads and get the vote out
>>59588965
examples of failing answers or even the entire results can be made public, but again, if you can't say why you love your oshi why are you even here?

>>59589068
Or the manager accepts the answers they like and disqualifies those they disagree with

>>59589140

>>59589170
>examples of failing answers or even the entire results can be made public
Do it, why on earth wouldn't it be made public?

>>59584027
yay! anon knows how to devtool his screenshot!
retard

>>59589203
>makes up his own rrat as a retort
I can't even argue with you if you want to bend reality to your perception

>>59588671
The problem is the board is a balkanized/tribal one, so the only good options are either:
-/vg/ option: captains of each general
-find a topic that encompasses the whole board (in this case, vtubers) and make a team out of it, without making shitty catalogbait players.

Since there's not enough all encompassing memes (I'd like to see that though, but I don't think we have enough board-wide memes like gosling, or graduation), the solution should be captains.

>>59589326
>tripling down

>>59588965
Anon they're retarded but I don't think they're so retarded that they'd trash votes unless you literally can't describe your oshi. I really hope they aren't at least

I still have yet to see a good reason why the Team being made up of 23 of the 40 vtl captains is back thing in any way shape or form.

The only reason given so far is
>because I say so.

Nigga you have won as many 4cc games as every IP in this thread: 0 (ZERO).

>>59589434
>they wouldn't throw votes out and redo to get the result they want or make rules up on the fly
...anon i...

>>59588819
its not supposed to be retard proof, we dont want retards managing the team

>>59589328
Anon, its very straight forward. The guy running the poll can manually select which responses pass and don't pass the post. This isn't an automated process where the poll says "Yep, oshi and reason check out, yep." its "Managerfag presses accept or reject as he wants"

Whether he's the sort of turbofaggot to rig his own poll is up to the already untrusting masses

>>59589501
because all those options are already in the poll, if you want them then vote for them and spam the poll in your general so others vote for them as well

>>59589501
I think the good argument would be that not everyone on this board actually gives a fuck about divegrass and people who are invested in /vt/L are more likely to be interested in divegrass in general, so it makes some sense to cater to them. A lot of anons are literally never going to open these threads because they (correctly) do not ever leave their oshi's split.

>>59589434
Ah yes, they have proven themselves so competent and trustworthy so far
>>59589511
Well we've failed miserably at that. It could not get any more retarded

>>59589511
It's too late for that. I'll be making the process as easy as possible to ensure the most engagement.

>>59589310
already been done btw
twice

>>59589501
I won a 4cc game once.

>>59589679
That's what I meant

Anon, prove that "this thread is a mess" ISN'T like three shitposters who really hate the manager and want to start shit.

>>59589681
fat faggot

>>59589681
So did I, but you don't see me asking to be the new manager. If you've won a 4cc game before you know how fucking miserable the whole thing is.

no way some femoid tried to argue gossiping threads being so up in the stat metrics is a valid argument
lmao

you can't say anything about winning 4cc games

>>59589743
Yeah, this. You can tell which ones it is because they keep talking about the managers instead of divegrass or the team.
Kinda amazing that even something like virtual random result futball can get schizos on /vt/. Do other boards get it like this or is this our regional flavor seeping in?

>>59589877
nobody can unless they doxx themselves or use a trip that is associated with someone who wont a 4cc game, retard

>>59589892
Only /sp/ and /mlp/ get like this besides us, /vg/ supposedly does too but they have nowhere to be called out besides their circlejerk

>>59589892
/myboard/ got this stuff like crazy, but that's because it was one of the only boards where 4cc discussion wasn't banned. They call us holobronies for a reason

>>59589743
>actually its the people complaining who are at fault
kek

>>59590026
Prove to me you're the majority, anon.

>>59590056
Prove to me that you're not sucking a dick while posting this.

>>59589743
this thread has 76 ips and people have good enough reason to hate the manager

>>59589949
Checks out, /sp/ as a whole is probably more invested in this little show, so there's a bigger population to generate schizos from, and /mlp/, well, yeah.

Anyone who thinks a manager who hasn't won a single game in tenure is doing a bad job is a schizo. Checks out

>>59590110
Most of the posts in the first half of the thread seem ok with it. It's just a few anons who are mad about something I can't even figure you.

>>59590092
>sucking a dick
yeah, your oshi's

>>59590194
kek

MANAGERS BAD MANAGERS BAD MANAGERS BAD MANAGERS BAD MANAGERS BAD MANAGERS BAD MANAGERS BAD MANAGERS BAD MANAGERS BAD MANAGERS BAD
muh affirmative action, muh atention begging AIIIEEEEEEEEEe
vote? what's that?

anyway I think the better alternative is to onl get chuubas that actively talk about footy in their regular ontent instead of personality cult retards
example https://x.com/KOKUYOU_LIRA/status/1708184490269724956?s=20
Lira

>>59590194
and got us aborted

>>59590212
>It's just a few anons who are mad about something I can't even figure you.
It's either 4cc people mad at him or VTL managers mad at him.

>>59590212
>yeah, your oshi's
boy do I have news for you

>>59590380
I might actually have news for YOU, anon.

>>59590212
*It's just a few anons who are mad AND samefagging
my proof is that unlike here you can only vote once lol

>>59590416
I hope you and he get along well.

>>59590056
http://poal.me/hpq9t3

Get in here, best entertainment you ever had.

>>59590212
>literally the first post itt
>>59513572

>>59590428
Is this one of those famous "I know who anon really is!" stunts?

>>59590477
yea and then the next like 40 posts are just normal discussion

>>59590473
You dumb faggot I'm compelled to split the vote if there's only two options

>>59588205
>3 out 75
>"everybody"

Thread was linked in /4ccg/, null and void everything after that point

>>59590473
not him, but I never click on poal links because faggots use it to doxx talents, but you would know that if you actually used this site

>>59590473
>clicking links

>everyone who criticizes me is a samefag
Man, this board is so beyond schizophrenic sometimes that it's not even funny. If every 4cc related argument was tossed out and blamed on 2-3 schizos samefagging without proof the leauge probably would have exploded 10 years ago. "Le samefag" is a boogeyman.

>>59590523
the evidence of three? pic related

>>59590588
prove it in the votes :)

>>59589140
This makes no sense when Pippa was a medal last cup

>>59590638
Unlike the useless nigger you are I actually did vote, seethe more :).

I voted for Lia from Phase Connect. She at least got one vote!

>>59590838
excellent! :) make sure to link the poll in your favourite generals so their voices can be heard as well!

>>59590899
Me too!

>>59590564
Do it again I wasn't looking.

t. Commissioner.

>>59591360
look at this faggot using a trip

I think the thread should be more patient about the team losing, it takes a while to get good at the game. And the managers should be more open minded, listen to the schizos in the thread and ask for help/advice from other managers that don't come here.
>>59589501
The /vt/League and the /vt/ team are separate entities and 4cc players should ideally represent board memes/culture while still being entertaining for people who don't visit /vt/.
>>59589940
Here

>>59591360
Is your posting here a part of the invasion angle

>>59591650
No, it's building up knowledge for the /vt/ special tribal super show. Clearly the squared circle is the only answer here.

>>59590588
he does that EVERY THREAD, look at the threads last week, troll goes off about how everyone who has a problem with the manager is a schizo samefagging, and i wouldn't be surprised if that was the manager trying to cover the sun with his thumb
if anything i wqs keeping my peace on this before he started pretending everyone saying he's doing a terrible job is the same guy, but no more because he clearly isn't listening and the problem only keeps growing.