/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://www.hololive-songs.com/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Myth barely streaming
Council barely streaming
Project cope doesn’t stream
>shiori and nerissa sub 5k
>fuwamoco morning declining
>bijou edlen ring declining
GRIM

4K DORYAAAA

>Vtubers have to hit the same ccv threshold every stream regardless of content or they're failures
Is there any vtuber that actually manages to do this?

>>59200360
Recent clip numbers
>>59168137
>>59168158
>>59168183
>>59168208
>>59168233

GRIM

time to 15M:
>Marine Bishopai 55 Days 17 Hours
Marine Maribako 102 Days 5 Hours
Mori Gura Q 144 Days 8 Hours
Gura Mori King 148 Days 14 Hours
Mori Rip 172 Days 16 Hours
Suisei Phony 183 Days 21 Hours
Ochame Kinou 207 Days 5 Hours
Laplus Kamippoi 218 Days 2 Hours
Can You Do the hololive (BTS ver.) 290 Days 4 Hours
Ayame Goodbye Sengen 294 Days 1 Hour
Suisei Mori Getcha 299 Days 2 Hours
Suisei Stellar Stellar 343 Days 15 Hours
Suisei Ghost 411 Days 19 Hours
Gura Reflect 472 Days 1 Hour
Suisei w/ Fantasy Saga Jihen 565 Days 20 Hours
Pekora Disco Seijin 668 Days 15 Hours

why is vshojo copying ame's fanlore of recruiting the new holo members?

>>59200473
Any of the holoJP

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>72,951: Mumei (Hololive)
>58,664: Korone (Hololive)
>50,335: Miko (Hololive)
>37,551: Mito (Nijisanji)
>36,298: Koyori (Hololive)
>30,491: Marine (Hololive)
>28,903: Chiroru (Indie)
>27,404: Pekora (Hololive)
>26,702: Botan (Hololive)
>25,790: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>25,765: Suisei (Hololive)
>21,949: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>20,998: Subaru (Hololive)
>20,911: Ange (Nijisanji)
>18,008: Raden (Hololive)
>16,955: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>16,908: Fuwamoco (Hololive)
>16,743: Koyori (Hololive)
>16,072: Hoshikawa (Nijisanji)
>15,690: Amamiya (Nijisanji)
>15,596: Salome (Nijisanji)
>14,946: QueueTan (Indie)
>14,818: Met (VSPO)
>13,697: Hajime (Hololive)
>13,378: Tachibana (VSPO)
>13,267: QueueTan (Indie)
>13,246: Noel (Hololive)
>12,830: NeruMero (Indie)
>12,727: Lamy (Hololive)
>12,357: Luna (Hololive)
>11,673: Okayu (Hololive)
>11,496: Matsuri (Hololive)
>10,563: Nui (Nijisanji)
>10,359: Kanade (Hololive)
>10,309: Polka (Hololive)

bijou needs to finish this already, even her soulsfags got bored

>>59200473
Marine hasn't been a 4view for even one stream for 2 years

WHERE IS FAUNA'S GLOBAL GOLD

>>59200531
>SEPTEMBER 2023 GOLDS
1) Aqua (Hololive) - 45,789 - Apex
2) Iroha (Hololive) - 64,229 - Outfit Reveal
3) Miko (Hololive) - 82,404 - Minecraft
4) Marine (Hololive) - 51,829 - Parasocial
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 48,521 - Armored Core 6
6) Subaru (Hololive) - 106,673 - Oozora Police Minecraft
7) Hololive (Hololive) - 63,855 - 6th Anniversary
8) Botan (Hololive) - 95,311 - Birthday Live
9) Kanade (Hololive) - 110,230 - Debut Stream
10) Raden (Hololive) - 129,772 - Debut Stream
11) Rion (Nijisanji) - 65,412 - Personality Test (w/ Mito, Kuzuha, Toya & others)
12) Hajime (Hololive) - 47,019 - Karaoke Stream
13) Hololive (Hololive) - 58,901 - Blue Journey
14) Chiroru (Indie) - 42,314 - Hanshin Tigers vs Yomiuri Giants
15) NeruMero (Indie) - 37,114 - Genshin Impact Update Watchalong
16) Lui (Hololive) - 33,478 - Outfit Reveal
17) Okayu (Hololive) - 80,549 - Minecraft (w/ Fubuki, Mio, Laplus, Lui)
18) Kronii (Hololive) - 58,935 - 3D Showcase
19) Subaru (Hololive) - 54,746 - SMOK Lie Detector
20) Miko (Hololive) - 41,305 - Soul Calibur 6
21) Hajime (Hololive) - 53,912 - Clubhouse Games 51 (w/ Raden)
22) Lauren (Nijisanji) - 169,412 - 3D Debut
23) Pekora (Hololive) - 93,167 - Human Rabbitality Project
24) Mumei (Hololive) - 72,951 - 3D Showcase

>PER COMPANY
20x: Hololive
2x: Indie, Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
2x: Hajime, Hololive, Miko, Pekora, Subaru
1x: Aqua, Botan, Chiroru, Kanade, Iroha, Kronii, Lauren, Lui, Marine, Mumei, NeruMero, Okayu, Raden, Rion

>2023 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
185x: Hololive
63x: Nijisanji
10x: Indie
5x: VSPO
4x: Neo Porte

>PER STREAMER
59x: Pekora
22x: Miko
17x: Marine
10x: Subaru
9x: Hololive, Nijisanji
8x: Toya
6x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Suisei
5x: Yashiro
4x: Chiroru, Fuwa, Hal, Iroha, Mio, Okayu, Shiina, Towa
3x: Leos, Lui, NeruMero, Koyori
2x: Aki, Flare, Fubuki, Hajime, Hinano, Ibrahim, Korone, Lamy, Maimoto, Salome, Shion, Tsukasa, Watame
1x: Air, Ayame, Beni, Botan, Chloe, Choco, Fuwamoco, Gaku, Gura, Gundou, Hibari, Himawari, Ina, Kaede, Kanade, Kanata, Kanato, Kiara, Kronii, Laplus, Lauren, Lize, Mel, Mito, Mori, Mumei, Mysta, Noel, Nose, Nozomi, Nui, Polka, Ponto, Qpi, Raden, Rikiichi, Rion, Roco, Ryushen

>>59200322
a couple of them bailed after allegedly having shit terms for their contracts, most notably nyan and vei in a span of a couple of days

>>59200546
>lose money because decided to stream no SC games to gain fans
>lose those fans
man...

>>59200546
This
and the dogs needs to stop playing VNs

>>59200589
I ate it

>>59200589
Has Fauna ever gotten global gold before? Which Holos have gotten global gold before and which Holos have never managed it?

Are there any JPs with zero Global golds?

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL EN TALLY *
>9/24 DAILY TALLY
72,951: Mumei (Hololive)
16,908: FuwaMoco (Hololive)
9,265: Bijou (Hololive)
7,187: Luca (Nijisanji)
6,471: Ina (Hololive)
5,906: Mori (Hololive)
5,536: Nerissa (Hololive)
5,227: Sonny (Nijisanji)


>EN GOLDS FOR SEPTEMBER 2023
1) Mumei (Hololive) - 21,874 - Unarchived Karaoke
2) Luca (Nijisanji) - 28,501 - NijiMelody Relay
3) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 12,142 - It Takes Two
4) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 11,690 - FuwaMoco Morning
5) Bijou (Hololive) - 11,307 - Elden Ring
6) Amelia (Hololive) - 26,831 - Outfit Reveal
7) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 15,476 - Advent Minecraft
8) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 10,735 - FuwaMoco Morning
9) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 21,257 - Advent Japanese Class
10) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 22,406 - Karaoke Stream
11) Gura (Hololive) - 37,393 - Outfit Reveal
12) Mori (Hololive) - 13,093 - Unarchived Karaoke
13) Ina (Hololive) - 16,524 - 3rd Anniversary
14) Gura (Hololive) - 26,610 - Myth Anniversary Uno
15) Gura (Hololive) - 21,335 - 3rd Anniversary
16) Kyo (Nijisanji) - 13,671 - 2.0 Debut
17) Fauna (Hololive) - 50,623 - 3D Showcase
18) Kronii (Hololive) - 58,935 - 3D Showcase
19) Mumei (Hololive) - 11,123 - WolfQuest
20) Shiori (Hololive) - 9,336 - Minecraft
21) Mori (Hololive) - 13,029 - Super Smash Bros (w/ FuwaMoco)
22) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 21,156 - The Backrooms (w/ Fubuki)
23) Ren (Nijisanji) - 8,580 - Unarchived Karaoke
24) Mumei (Hololive) - 72,951 - 3D Showcase

>PER COMPANY
21x: Hololive
3x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
7x: FuwaMoco
3x: Gura, Mumei
2x: Mori
1x: Amelia, Bijou, Fauna, Ina, Kronii, Kyo, Luca, Ren, Shiori

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
61p: FuwaMoco
23p: Bijou
20p: Mumei
16p: Mori
15p: Gura
11p: Fauna
8p: Amelia, Kronii, Luca
6p: Baelz, Ina
5p: Kyo, Ren, Shiori
3p: Enna, IRyS, Nerissa, Pomu, Sonny
1p: Kiara, Kotoka, Meloco, Uki

how hard of a debuff are VNs for EN? Are all of those debuffs?

>>59200508
Forced fake unity

>>59200679
>2023 EN GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
200x: Hololive
63x: Nijisanji
3x: Holostars
1x: Idol

>PER STREAMER
24x: Fauna, Gura
23x: Mori
21x: Mumei
17x: IRyS
15x: FuwaMoco, Ina
14x: Baelz, Kronii, Mysta
11x: Amelia
9x: Kiara, Vox
5x: Bijou
4x: Pomu, Ren, Selen, Shu
3x: Luca, Nerissa, Nina, Shiori
2x: Alban, Finana, Hololive English, Ike, Wilson
1x: Bandage, Enna, Elira, Flayon, Fulgur, Kyo, Luxiem, Millie, Petra, Regis, Roca, Rosemi, Sonny, Vesper

>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
233p: Fauna
177p: Mori
172p: Ina
166p: Mumei
159p: IRyS
143p: FuwaMoco
135p: Baelz
129p: Gura
109p: Kronii
105p: Mysta
93p: Kiara
91p: Amelia
75p: Luca
74p: Vox
58p: Bijou
37p: Shu
32p: Shiori
31p: Nerissa, Selen
28p: Pomu
24p: Nina
21p: Ren
19p: Ike
18p: Enna
17p: Sonny
15p: Fulgur, Uki
13p: Finana, Millie
11p: Axel
10p: Alban, Elira, Hololive English, Wilson
9p: Vesper
7p: Kotoka, Regis
6p: Bandage, Kyo, Rosemi
5p: Flayon, Luxiem, Petra, Roca
4p: Bringer, Magni
3p: Bettel, Hakka, Poko
2p: Meloco
1p: Maria, Shinri, Pippa

/#/ is inclining

>>59200693
All VN except maybe the first DDLC stream

>Koseki
>4k
What happened? Did the clip of the shark taking a jab at Holo fans in regards to ENs lack of stream killed everyone's numbers?

So what did we learn from the last thread anons?

does chuuba breast size affect viewership? this is important

>>59200467
here's some shitposting/bating advice

Myth barely streaming > change it to gura
Council barely streaming > change it to certain member names
Project cope doesn’t stream > change it to hope (you look too much like a seething 2view holoan

shiori and nerissa sub 5k > remove shiori
bijou edlen ring declining > remove this, and at least proofread to not look like a melting schzo, edlen my lord

Then the lie/truth ratio should be good.

why did the holoEN box get so small?

>>59200777
pagpags and sisters are scum as always, advent love

>>59200771
Same reason Dogs are also at 4k, bad game choices.

>>59200467
God I hate kikeks so much

>>59200786
Twitch yes, youtube not in any predictable way

Grim numbers for holoen today

>>59200761
damn, how would/did steins;gate fare?

>>59200800
Council ruined Holo EN, they had all their chances lined up with the succes of the initial myth debut and threw it away. Now its been damaged ever since

>>59200834
What do you think the ccv would be if they swapped games?…

>>59200880
They will literally not touch that MAGES shit.

>>59200880
idk but should be good
modern, famous, and has an anime

>>59200777
numbers can't tell the difference between EU hours and sea hours

Yeah, I think we need daily 3D showcases for HoloEN

>>59200531
JWU Mumei is the EN record for 3D showcase?

>>59200880
ENs have played very few VNs, don't think anyone has touched SG

>EN is still heavily dependant on Gura
grim

>>59200797
You already bit the bait so I don't think you have much room to give advice

>>59200946
So does Persona but it didn't do so well for Mori or Bae.

>>59200898
Personally i blame EN management who kept dropping the ball at every chance they got

Yeah, I think we need daily graduation for NijiCN

>>59200899
Dogs morning show still 9k
Biboo still gets 9k with From games, would get good views with DMC, too.
Minecraft for either of them would be no brainers.

>>59200771
what clip

>>59200898
>Council
>Ruined HoloEN
The only people that ruined HoloEN are Myth members who gave shit advice to Council and also put into practice phoning in and taking multiple unannounced "breaks" for no reason

>>59200880
Fuck that, how would Fate/Stay Night do?

I swear to god its like we go through this exact same thing every year when summer ends

>>59200880
The only ones that would do well are ironic weeb slop like DDLC

>>59200957
Depends if you consider Mori's very first 3D stream a Live or a Showcase

>>59200880
Any VN is a death sentence
CCV would drop off with every stream

>>59201012
God I hate kikeks so much

>>59200898
sadly this....
2nd gen, the gen right after the successful Myth is super crucial in shaping the expectations and atmosphere of EN branch

>>59201041
>>59200880
Marine did pretty well with School Days, so some VNs work

So with all the blame shifting between Council and Myth, is Advent a gen of no sins (so far)?

>>59201049
Dude it's nearly fucking october. Summer ended weeks ago and these girls were getting better numbers then

>>59200800
Lack of streams.
You had a stretch the 1st, 2nd, 3rd most popular members were on break/sporadically streaming at one point. You’re only consistent streamers before Advent were Fauna(good) IRyS(good) Bae,Mori(meh) Kiara(Runt). A lot of people just fucked off and found other people to watch

>>59201113
VNs work for JPs at JP hours

>>59200648
Didn't Fauna have the highest peak ccv for their debuts? Or Am I remembering that wrong
That was probably gold no?

>>59201021
Yeah, because they keep jumping timeslots and streaming days

>>59200786
>Pekora has small titties
>Miko's and Marine's are big
>Suisei is flat
>Aqua's has a randomized size
there's not pattern

Biboo had 9k yesterday with ER episode 8 (EIGHT). Debuff games are a debuff no shit. These are their floor and are better than the rest of the western Vtuber scene.

>>59201113
Marine also does well with Tokimemo

>>59201102
Its like the failed WoW expansions. Council did irreversable damage just like how shadowlands did the same to WoW

Even though Dragonflight isnt seen as bad, it still suffers from the problem that no one is fucking playing the game anymore

I warned you not to let nijiniggers feel comfortable in the thread bros.

My fantasy team sucks, all these streams are boring, should i just go to bed?

>>59200898
What did they do to fuck it up? I don't really follow ENs, what went wrong?

>>59201191

>>59201166

>>59201126
They still have a stream everyday so they are pretty good in my book. They are laying a good foundation for EN4. They just need to establish storylines

>>59201191
This but Tempiss. If Advent debut last year instead of the cucks they'd have double the numbers.

>>59201278
Bro it’s 8 we’re hopping on ow. I’ll send you an invite

>>59201166
Sadly ER is an objective better game then AC

EU hours really are the worst hours

AC6 NG+ isn't a novelty anymore (Calli already did a NG+ and NG++ on stream)

>>59201309
Keep spamming no one cares about Twitch magic numbers or Connor's cocksleeve.

>>59201013
>You already bit the bait
nah if someone could tell a post is a bait before he replies to it, you can't say he's biting. He already saw tru it

The same/similar shitposts are recurring regularly. But they are unbelievably bad, sometimes I try to point out the mistakes and hope they can make it more convincing. At remove some blatant mistakes

>>59201426
>it doesn't count if I bite the bait ironically

>>59200880
None of the above for an EN audience. DDLC works briefly but falls off rapidly. NGO was buff for a couple weeks since getting one route done is short/fast enough and it was a current meme at the time people were streaming it. Everything else is a consistent dumpster fire because the EN audience gives less than no fucks about VNs, so they don't care about the streamer's reaction to the contents. As it stands, the overwhelming majority of people think Neco Arc is a standalone spontaneous Twitter meme, and know fuckall about Carnival Phantasm, Tsukihime, or Melty Blood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMSGVhxi3o0
The cute reaper we all love is starting soon

FWMC seriously need to think about something else to do besides gameplay streams
they not only have a very niche taste but they also suck too much at it

Don't look at NijiEN's numbers...

>>59201494
based, I will watch

>>59201510
They seriously need to graduate then.

>>59201391
1,7mil people care apparently

>>59201510
Horror games are a safe choice, you dont have to be good and the screams are a blessing

>>59201510
why the fuck are they playing videogames in the first place

>>59201587
Nah, they're entertaining if it isn't games.

Fuwamoco sub 4k
GRIM

>>59201648
No, they aren't. They need to graduate, now.

videogames are for nerds

>>59201480
could you say someone gets tricked if he sees through the trick prior to it and still chooses to get tricked?

how does that fit the meaning or definition of "gets tricked/fooled"?

>>59201668
Shitting on the cute dogs wont bring Gura back
BAU BAU

>>59201700
slippable

>>59200880
Should actually do VN adaptation of popular anime like Oregairu, Gotoubun, Konosuba,...
I mean, whenever those perms and English versions become available....hopefully...

>>59201684
Based and true

>Council bad bait timeloops
I got to say all these baits really fall flat after their showcases have all hit between 50k-70k viewers.

>PER STREAMER
7x: FuwaMoco
3x: Gura, Mumei
2x: Mori
1x: Amelia, Bijou, Fauna, Ina, Kronii, Kyo, Luca, Ren, Shiori

>>59201587
NIJISEETHE

>>59201715
Yes because you still did what the trickster wanted so you seeing through it makes no difference

>>59200693
Yes, EOP's who like VN's don't even watch those streams, it's shit content.

>>59201783
Welcome to euro hours

>Debut buff wares off
>Advent is all Bae-tier
It’s over.

>>59201650
>Fuwamoco sub 4k
The dogs have lower numbers than a man with a bimbo model using TTS. Let that sink in.

>>59201792
If anything, everyone other than the dogs need to graduate.

>>59201715
>I see through the trap, so when I fall into it anyway it doesn't count

>>59201832
It's 2 AM in Euroland spictard...

>>59201635
This is a hooman.

>>59201494
sex

>>59201716
>Holo vs Holo
Nice try cuckbeat

>>59201832
its 2 am in euroland, wtf are you talking about you mutt

>>59201857
>Ironlung only 6k despite Twitch doubling the numbers
lmao I thought she was the queen of EN???

>>59201783
Damn, they got ID showcase numbers. Very impressive.

>>59201872
Welcome to Africa hours

>>59201617
Didn't they not even finish the tutorial when they played backrooms for the first time?

>Biboo switches to JP voices
>Suddenly a ton of JoPs outta nowhere
Huh, it really is heavily JoPs watching AC6.

>>59201872
>>59201939
T. Eurotard butthurt he got called out

>>59201870
Well with their score, people shouldn’t be saying they need to graduate, unless all of them should.

>>59201857
AIEEEEEEE CONNOR SAMA TASUKETE

>>59201068
Why? Don't people get invested in the story?
I would think a story driven VN would have great retention.

>>59201934
>accusing people of holo v holo (rightfully)
>immediately starts going into holo v holo themselves
What kind of behavior is this

>>59202025
>unless all of them should.
All of EN in every company should. EN was a mistake

>>59202055
I warned you about the nijiniggers bro

>>59202089
JPcucks please

>>59202031
the retention might be okay, but the drop-in rate would be terrible

Waiting for Raden

>>59202031
Anyone who's interested in a VN's plot is gonna just play the games themselves.

>>59202172
Imagine Raden ASMR

>>59201959
Better than Niji numbers showcases aka Mythkeks

3D BUBBA!!!

>the prospect of a Mumei-only EN tally today is non-zero
Biboo I am begging you for three hundred more viewers
I'm willing to call up the Georgia state government and beg them to find 300 more viewers so that we can slot up the Silver

>>59201959
That's a little better, but also pretty stale at this point. Keep trying though you'll land on something good eventually

>>59201857
>6k MC
Pfft

FWMC basically just polled their audience for their timezones, if anyone cares they can use that to get a fairly representative sample of where their audience is watching from

>>59202254
Wrong thread, teacuck

Anyone watching?

>>59201809
Are you implying they are shitposting and baiting but intentionally doing it like a retard?

>good bait vs poor bait
good bait = tricks many anons
poor bait = tricks no ones BUT HOLD ON i-it's a two-layer setup! It sacrifices the ability to trick anons, but aim towards anons who are picky about baiting

I.....beleb'd

>>59202346
Is it a Western vtuber thing to change your model at least 1-3 times a year?

>>59202284
Mori will be silv-lmaoooooooo

>>59202346
I like Giri so might watch

>>59202357
They just want a response. The type of response doesn't matter. They wasted your time and that's all they wanted

>>59202167
Does EN have any viewers who "drop-in"? I would expect that everyone watching an EN in 2023 is watching every stream start to finish no matter what time or content, or a dead sub.

god this VN is so fucking depressing, is trying to make your audience feel terrible bad for numbers?

>>59201957
>>59202289
Hit 9k unlike any holoen today lol

>>59202346
Middle of my workday so no

If VN numbers are this bad during EN primetime imagine if they hadn't dropped the EU time zone

>>59202172
Good day to you Radenchad

>>59202333
NIJISEETHE

>>59202397
It's for that upper echelon of
>well-off enough (from success or from personal wealth) to splurge on models
>not doing well enough to have a consistent brand they want to keep around
Western Vtubers. They keep running the model lotto to try and find a Gura-tier breakout or something.

>>59202429
there would definitely be plenty of people who only watch sometimes, otherwise viewership wouldn't fluctuate so much

>>59202397
No it’s just a Twitch thing

>>59202346
I'll be at work

>>59202475
Isn't the problem generally the person, not the model for why they can't/won't grow?

>>59202454
they already played Sakura wars during EU hours retard

>>59202357
Retard

>>59202430
Ita a key vn, they are literally all depressing.
It's so depressing in fact the OVA changed alot of things to give it even a slight happy ending

>>59202463

>>59202529
Yes but some think a model will carry them

>>59202346
Owari da. HoloEN, can never be an organized group. can't into kayfabe, have no senior to kouhai relationship that sets the rookies the right path.

>>59202529
In this case I would say the issue is market saturation rather than anything the vtuber does personally

Any updates on hlzntl? It's been nearly a month since their last event, and I haven't heard a thing since then.

>>59202581
KEK

>>59202529
Well duh
But Twitch specifically incentivizes people to not think about that
It's kind of fucked as a platform in terms of incentive structures, to the point where if you aren't chasing clout and trying to leech connections with the per-established, mostly scummy cliques who get good "insider" connections at Twitch, you are not succeeding.
The only ones who don't fit that mold are people who built an audience outside of Twitch that import them to their platform, or veterans of the older Twitch era where it was exclusively a gaming site.
You could write an essay on this. Hell, just read Why Nations Fail and apply those lessons to Twitch and you realize so much.

>>59202454
The numbers wouldn't be that much different. The VN debuff overcomes all timezone buffs and debuffs

>>59201857
>twitch numbers
slash it by half to compare with culled youtube

>>59202529
Well, yeah. She had to fall back to coombaiting when she had a genuinely neat stream setup gimmick

>>59202503
That pipe? My dick.

>>59202731
Fucking imagine Baldur's Gate 3 numbers if Biboo had also streamed
Imagine

>>59202559
They should at least play Rewrite if it's to be a Key game. Enjoyed it much more then planet desu

>>59202731
Owarida...

>2021: NijiEN
>2022: NijiCN
>2023: bootleg NijiJP
>2024: ???

>>59202253
Sub 6k average for 2 years btw
Lmfao

>>59202778
This wasn't even the last BG3 stream, this picture is from the week before, Anon just likes to timeloop Grim numbers.

>>59202802
Nijisanji

>>59202529
Hell of a lot easier to change the model then it is to change yourself

We are living a simulation of post gura graduation HoloEn

>>59202454
>If VN numbers are this bad during EN primetime
It's not that VN numbers are bad it is just that the fuwamoco pick the the most obscure visual novels to play. They need to play something more mainstream like nekopara or a sakura wars game.

>>59202778
She got 4.2 or 4.7k during that collab, can't remember which

>>59202428
>They just want a response. The type of response doesn't matter.
This hypothesis is probably wrong.
You do realize asking some questions would get far more response than this right? >>59200467

Something like
>>59200473
>>59202529
Simpler and popular questions get even more response, e.g. "Can Rissa still make a comeback?"

>>59202626
This is literally a Nerissa problem who refuses to fucking do solo streams. She's a genuine collab baby

>studio de ame can track more than one person at a time now

how much do these kinds of upgrades cost? I thought teamates never buy merch

Don't worry, fellas, viewers will be on the way soon, most of the games are done

>>59202844
I mean, is not being a cunt really that hard?

>>59202787
Isn't rewrite a much longer game?
Also it wouldn't matter anyway, the key issue is that vns have absolutely no tourist draw. If anything planaterian is actually a better choice because it has people who know about the story and might be interested in seeing fwmc react to it

Rate the schedule

>>59202529
It's a vanity thing. Girls change models like they change clothes.

>>59202787
Starting with a short one to see if the numbers are there was the right choice. If they started rewrite they would be in for 90 hours of VN reading that would have STARTED with a 4k ccv peak on part 1, and by part 16 would be down to 300 ccv

>>59202689
I don't think it's actually twitch, but my own crack theory is that the upper part of indies/vsj have a network of artists and modelers that know each other and push the impression that they themselves could grant them at least some clout. Kinda like a parallel to the NFT auction fuckery to make them seem as valuable

>>59202976
I'm sure that Novelites will be very happy with this
My numberfagging self weeps, but I'm sure they'll enjoy it

>>59202973
Bitch look where you are right now.

>>59202973
You can see from the example of veibae and nyanners that being a cunt has nothing to do with your numbers

>>59203059
Is it though?

>>59202976
Nice, another horror game stream

>>59202976
>Some literal who horror game
>Another Rusty lake stream
>Day off
>Everhood AGAIN
>The only decent non member stream on her schedule and it's a collab
Christ

>>59202952
Myth operates on a different level
Their "poorfag" fanbase is so massive (albeit now incredibly passive) that they can simply generate money we can't even begin to imagine the scope of it

>>59202976
lookin good

>>59203153
You say Myth but it's pretty much all of Hololive.

>/#/ somehow doesn't know what a market cap is
The intelligence of this place somehow keeps hitting new lows

>>59202976
which novelite is this

>>59202976
Shiori's commitment to not doing any non-advent collabs is kinda based at this point, wonder how long she can keep it up

>>59202581
whore

seems like another Mumei cripple gold today

>>59203238
Mr

>>59203247
>wonder how long she can keep it up
Considering things, pretty much until Cover forces her to collab outside Advent.

>>59203259
NIJISEETHE

>>59203275
Mr who?

>>59202929
FWMC have only done one solo stream so far, and it was just Mococo's Pero takeover stream

So I thought about how EN can gain some traction back if they can have a bridge with JP, some from the JP side like Coco was (Can't be EN who speaks JP since they are all low performers).
But now, look, from their side the people who are somewhat EN-considerate are now freaking Lui and Ririka, not... the biggest JPs. Subaru too busy and already has regular collab partners.
Do we ... wait for Haachama or what?

>>59202955
I'll watch Moom after snf

>>59203305
You're an idiot.

>>59203301
Mr White

>>59203238
Me

>Mumei's 3D already at 40k likes
Damn.

>>59203195
Most of hololive isn't on the same as Myth, or are you really going to pretend something like gen 1 or 5 has anywhere near the same mindshare?

>>59203195
wasn't roboco building a house or something in tokyo? I remember jp nijifans seething about that for some reason

The new standard
Advent: 4k - 5k
Luxiem: 2k - 3k
NijiEN girls: 1k - 2k

>>59203231
>the market is capped out because... Yeah it is
There isn't a fucking measurable, objective way to find out how much of a market there is for a product
You can guess, but markets explode and contract at almost random (as seen in the fucking mother of all explosions of the prior market cap for VTubing in 2020).
There is a market cap, for sure, but it is not by any means a "hard cap." It's a soft cap.

>>59203329
?

>>59203238
Pending.

>>59203350
I'm still looping Call your name, you know it's amazing

>>59202976
>Sam
Let's go

>>59203371
Why is Shu's title esl?

>>59203377
I'm talking about the retards saying that you can get new audiences by just changing your personality when the key problem is that there hasn't been any significant new flows of audiences into vtubing in the west since 2021

>>59203371
KAMMON, BIBUTAN
>*BANG BANG BANG*
GET SAM FOOKIN VIEWAHS AN' CROOS DA LINE!!

>>59203269
A Luxiem or Noctyx can probably win it with the Watermelon game.

>>59203356
it only costs $300k to build a super fancy streamer-customized house in Tokyo, Marine spends more than that on one Music MV

>>59203382
All of them are good, and the mixing is better than every cover Mumei has released.
Makes me hopeful for Bae's 3D.

>>59203461
You may not be able to generate NEW audiences at the same level
But you can sure as fuck take audience away from the rest of the indie space by being a good alternative. And failing that, becoming better will increase your chances in your corpo auditions later down the line, should independence not work out.

Dogs lost to s robot tranny
Lmfao

>>59203494
If she does she's getting ripped off, a 5 minute animation shouldn't go above 50-60k

If Biboo doesn't get this 100 ccv for 5k I'm going to rip my balls off and post it on /#/

>>59202976
Holy shit collab with someone already, why fucking join hololive if you're just gonna solo stream all the time

>>59203601
Gee anon it's not like she gave an entire speech about this on her debut or anything

>>59203461
it's not about personality, the reason there's been no flow of new audience into vtubing is that vtubers aren't doing anything interesting.

If vtubers started doing interesting things that people would want to watch regardless of who it was that was doing it, then that would grow vtubing as well. But they don't.

Twins sub 4k
Bijou sub 5k
Holy flopvent

>>59202689
I’m sure there’s a way to apply Manufacturing Consent to vtubers.

>>59203601
She's taking her time anon, she didn't know shit about hololive before joining
I am curious which non advent EN and JP she will collab with first...

I'm watching a blue vtuber sing.

>>59203601
Respect her collab choices of not having collabs

>>59203679
>Chomsky
As far as I know there isn't any genocide to deny in VTubing, so it would be a reach, but I'm sure he could find a way

Mori beating the twins is fucking wild

>>59203703
It's gonna be mori and your crazy if you think otherwise

>>59203771
Captain Falcon is just that strong

>>59203771
Dog leeching complete.

How is literally no one hitting 5k right now

>>59203531
No you can't, because everyone who wants a "better alternative" is already watching hololive. It's the whole wow killer problem all over again where you cannot beat the market leader by poorly aping it.
Hence the frequent model changes because it's one of the few viable ways indies have to compete.
Incidentally this is also why indies keep harping on about the quality of the live 2d model

>>59202428
>They just want a response. The type of response doesn't matter. They wasted your time and that's all they wanted

See another example to get easy response >>59202976

>>59203830
Sunday Night Football.

>>59203601
>she does it
>call her a leech

>>59203830
Snf

>>59203830
Fauna decided to not stream
FWMC and Bijoo decided to play debuff shit
>Mori

>>59203601
Trying being in her shoes for once anon and imagine having your career fucked and almost turned into NFT by this pink women.

>>59203830
EN fans as always proving how they're less committed than Italy during a World War.

Discord spy, here
Someone's cooking a "hot takes" video about "le toxic vtuber culture", expect it to be dropped in the very near future.
What interesting is, it's gonna paint BOTH unicorns & male vtuber and their so called homobeggar fans in a bad light
Posting screenshots in the next 48 hours

>>59203830
Mori is working her way there

>>59203872
>taking any posts with leech seriously

>>59203445
looks like it's official...

>>59203864
>>59203876
I am willing to believe that there is a large overlap between Sunday Night viewers of Hololive and Football fans in North America
But I fucking REFUSE to believe that there are a significant amount of fucking STEELERS AND RAIDERS FANS who like Hololive

>>59203932
if it's not someone big it doesn't matter

>>59203981
You don't understand, I need to see the Steelers lose.

>>59203765
What was that weird group Niji had that shut down cause investors thought they were virtual prostitutes?

>>59203830
>watchalong
>Mori at 30 minutes
Apparently context just doesn't matter anymore. Pebbles should explain themselves though. Bijou was supposed to be the streaming Jesus.

>>59202529
It's not just trying to find a new market, it's also one of the few event streams you can do as a Twitch tuber to draw tourists since they won't do 3D concerts, don't have a strong box to make a big collab a big deal unless they're leeching someone, and typically are already incestuous collabers with the rest of the fellow orbiters so even an organized event isn't a big draw and tends to be a shitshow.

>>59204029
Yumenographia
Incidentally if you want a laugh go search that term in the archive and check out the earliest mentions of it

5k dorya

>>59204081
Not only was she supposed to be streaming Jesus she was supposed to replace Fauna lol
But I don't think Fauna would be stupid enough to do a NG+

>>59204081
Same reason dogs are under 4k
Bad game choices.

Okayu will take a break
I was right >>44047778

>>59204175
Anon a ng+ isnt really a "ng+" so much as it is a completely different run with it's own story

>>59204081
She should've just binged ac6 back during the first few weeks instead of splitting her time between elden ring and ac 6

Mumei will save holoen numbers

>>59204226
Sure, but the only people who know that are the Fromsoftfags
Normal people ain't gonna know!

>Biboo stars mention, she loves them
It's over.

https://youtu.be/EEooFvYUwZQ?si=8LadjRZ1lLxDr8Ye

>>59204301
It's soup you fuck

>>59204357
You don't have to call them watered down because no one watches.

I'm being edged by a child

>>59204290
Anon pretty much everyone and their mom has played ac6 at this point, the issue is that biboo is somehow still fucking up basic maneuvers in ng+ when the public tolerance for subpar gameplay has dwindled to nothing after a month and a half after release

>>59203830
Remember how Pekora couldn't hit 15k with Kingdom Hearts? It's like that, except more people.

I went and watched Pekora's out-of-nowhere unicorn chousa yesterday and it was interesting because I still remember when Marine did one about 2 years ago. It doesn't seem to happen that often, where the streamer directly asks their audience how cool they are with male collabs, gets a feel for what their chat thinks, then tries to explain how they're going to go about things. Does anyone else remember any others?

>>59204226
Eh, like 50-70% of NG+ is the exact same game, with that 20% depending on if you count the ending stuff you didn't do the first time. Quite a lot of it is repeated, just with way better equipment. NG++ does more to make the run different, but chapters 1-3 are still ~70% identical between all versions.

Is FWMC the VN specialist of EN?

>>59204450
I remember Kiara did.

Gura please come back...all your fans are hibernating and not watching other girls...

>>59204382
It's ok, the moment of release will feel so good. Even if she laughs at you and screams
>Kimoi~

>>59204523
>specialist

>>59202976
Why does this girl refuse to play video games?

>>59204567
They wouldn't watch other girls even if gura did stream.

>>59204567
You say that but where the fuck are the saplings too

>>59204523
My virtue of being the only ones to show up, yes, they get that title

>>59204376
I watch them

>>59203601
>monkeys paw curls
Homo collab

>>59203830
viewers prefer to watch football over vtubers since they are creatively bankrupt
or at least that is the cope they are setting up

>>59204595
Four of her five streams are video games, anon
They just aren't POPULAR games

BIBOO PLEASE YOU'RE 100 CCV I JUST NEED RELEASE

>>59204567
>>59204622
Welcome to English fans in general, they only want 'their' girl and don't give a fuck about the others.

>>59204595
>>59201684

>>59204416
>watching hololive for gameplay
fags like that are outnumbered by homostars fans. People are just tired of AC6 because it's sub par and a boring stream game for ng+

>>59204567
I'm watching an offtopic stream currently

My dick is CRYING from this little girl's teasing

>>59204595
Those are games...

>>59203601
already missed the window, JPs are literally no longer interested because of ReGloss and ENs don't want them to get their viewers

>>59203321
>haachama
>big
She's fucking Matsuri tier.

Divide FWMC CCV by two.

>Raid into a karaoke
>Won't stop bleeding

https://youtu.be/mv9XAgBS7ec
8k
>zatsu
8k

>>59204712
Mori is big brothering FMWC.....

I.......

>>59204725
Japanese fans are often the same, but having more choices can help with that. If you only like 10% of the girls you're offered, that's way more girls if you have 50 to choose from compared to when you have 10 to choose from.

>>59202976
where the fuck is the flayon collab you guys are hyping about?

>>59204595
Trying to create her niche
If it gets numbers then it's good

>>59204932
>when you have 10 to choose from.
Being awfully generous

Mumei got all the spotlight after Advent debut
>Her birthday stream is on Advent hype honeymoon phase
>Advent always raided her because her stream is late
>Spirit bomb from advent for her Anniversary
>all Advent joined Mumei VC in drawing stream
>Spirit bomb from advent for her 3D showcase
my rrat is most of advent fans are converted to hooman

>>59204845
no you multiply by 2

>>59204725
I only give a fuck if I can see my oshi that day. If I cannot see my oshi why the fuck would I feel in a good mood to watch someone else.

>>59203586
She plans on finishing NG+ and NG++ this stream, so plenty of chances to catch some raids/funnels later.

>>59204996
Biboo is definitely on the Moom train considering all the offstream discord sex they talk about.

I'm fucking BEGGING YOU WOMAN
LET ME RELEASE ALREADY

https://twitter.com/nightowlthena/status/1706101134555820374
AkioAIR lost their biggest member, Athena, the girl that did those Haachama lore songs. All because the CEO couldn't help himself and groom a minor to debut on his company.

>>59205097
THIS EDGING IS UNREAL

>>59205109
I'm so confused, did she get cucked out of her model?

>>59204961
>where the fuck is the flayon collab you guys are hyping about?

Flayon is a busy tranny. Ze is always on duty to guard (reclaim) his throne from his archenemy sanji Aia.

I prefer Shiori not to disrupt Flayon's quest. The homos are heavily relying on zim. Now take your Shiori and leave.

>>59205109
kek why would you sacrifice soo much over 1 single talent that hasn't even showed numbers

>>59204226
The issue is NG+ and NG++ isn't very challenging (in fact in many ways easier than the first run) so people who want to watch her beat hard bosses from the Elden Ring streams won't find it as interesting.

At this point I think the only reason to run AC6 streams is to PvP with her viewers.

Biboo is Powerscaling live on stream and saying that canonically, she is the strongest Advent member

>>59205097
>LET ME RELEASE ALREADY
max speed strokes

NOW

>>59205109
That was always part of the deal with this company, whenever she left the company she could keep the name but not the channel or model

>>59205213
BUT CAN SHE BEAT FUGGIN MADARA UCHIHA THO??????????????????????

>>59205208
>At this point I think the only reason to run AC6 streams is to PvP with her viewers.
No fucking thanks, god trying to see how Mori did with that was a slog. Just move on and come back when either a big update happens or DLC, shit's dead now and I don't want to see and watch her fight sweaty try hards for three hours+

>>59205109
Wasn't the CEO trying to groom all the girls into his personal harem or something and the girls were just looking for a chance to fuck off? I guess grooming real children was the last straw for her.

>now Bae's on, too
I'm gonna fucking cry, man, and not from my dick

>>59205213
She can control emotions, which can fuck everyone
>FWMC doesn't have a counter to it
>Nerissa is half the power because of the stolen horn
>Shiorin is Batman where only with time can make a counter attack.

>>59202976
How did Shiori beat Rissa with weird ass unorthodox stream choices?

>>59205384
Biboo is gonna catch all their funnels once they end, trust in the plan.

Biboo's trying to rewrite history to make herself the strongest Advent
THIS IS CHEATING BIBOO

>>59205109
Oh yeah, isn't this also the nurse-larping girl?

>>59204996
Advent are working the riccve fields for Moomshogun

>>59205109
Good to see her possibly returning. One of the very few good EN vsingers.

anons, predictions for mumei post 3d zatsu?

>>59205479
>larping
From the stuff she has talked about I don't think she's larping

>>59205449
She has a niche and has a strong grip on her audience who are into that niche.

Nerissa is failing to find a specific audience with all her collabs and bad game choices and lack of singing.

>>59205180
more like starting over again to disassociate herself from AkoAIR due to the recent debacle.
>>59205109
when they took a jab on Hololive and made clear they will suck china cock if ever their talent offend the chink's feelings, they were doomed from the start.

>>59205449
I don't think she did. And Nerissa's game choices were almost as bad. Right now Nerissa has a higher average despite receiving less raids.

>>59204996
>Advent always raided her because her stream is late
So is this what a true numberfag looks like?
Biboo lost...

>>59205531
10k

A small bit of interesting info from Ame’s member stream, Cover actually gave her the data for their 3D office. She hasn’t properly set it up yet though

>>59205213
Isn't Kaela or all of ID3 supposed to be some ID heroic spirit or something? Seems like a fight Biboo is supposed to lose.

>>59205445
>emotional manipulator
low-tier power desu
Couldn't get past the timeskip arc, a Pacifista would solo her ass EZ-PZ
Not to mention she's fucking ABSURDLY weak to nullification types like Asta

>>59204622
some of them leak to other girls after guras streams and it accumulate if gura streams every day

>>59204725
That's normal

>>59205283
She already beat Goku. Edged him so hard he died of frustration.

Nobody lost a single viewer to Bae

>>59205531
Somehow, it'll be higher than her actual content
The reason why? It's a sex live stream. With me. Her husband.

>>59205534
Ohhh. Wonder where she finds the time to stream, or if her experience is from previous work.
Also, was her roommate ever found? I swear her voice is similar to another letsplayer girl.

>>59205531
Anything under 7k is bad.

>>59205660
HERE COMES THE NEW CHALLENGER

>>59205605
It might be low tier, but she not only fighting women (a more emotional human) but she also has the power to make herself as hard as a diamond.

>>59205660
Biboo lost around 100 in the last 10 minutes or so
I don't know if she'll reach 5k at this point...

Pathetic display from FWMC. They really think hard work is going to get them to the 1 million. Wow they’re in for a rude awakening.

>>59205625
Fuwawa is tr...

Smart !

>>59205583
I mean, if they would give it to anyone in Hololive, it would be her
She's like, the only one that tries to fuck around and make that shit work solo, it's like how managers at big grocery store/warehouse store chains will let the college kids who are going for business sit in on meetings and shit. Develops the talent.

>>59205648
Bejitabros lying again huh

regis is going to end soon, who has low viewers

>>59205734
That's true, her diamond power is a pretty good Logia-type

>>59205660
Zis grim fes
I don't even need a sis to shitpost me rn

>>59205583
what makes cover trust Ame this much

>>59205780
>hard work is going to get them to the 1 million
You can achieve anything with
HARD WORK
AND
GUTS

>>59205790
Bejita is weaker
pls andastan

not lyin not tryin

jesus christ, bae

Is Moom going to be the only EN to cripple tally today

>>59205981
fwmc morning?

>>59205871
Ame likes regis. Ame helped promoting homos. Yagoo is very happy.

Something like that

RUN BIBOO RUN

Mumei, the shinning light that keeps grimposters in check.

>>59205844
Like I said before, Biboo could be the strongest Advent but even she can't touch anyone from Myth, let alone Council.
Only Shiorin could do a counter to everyone and that's because of ther archiver role, which makes her like Batman in my eyes.
Can Batman solo'd the whole DC multiverse? With time yeah. Can Batman die with anyone? Also yes.
Shiorin is that for me.

>>59206021
Doesn't that count for tomorrow's tally or have I got my times all fucked up

>>59205923
Work smart, Not work like trash, Fuwawa

>>59205871
Three years of competency (not numbers, competency, very different things) and saving their ass in terms of providing 3D support (which is something that apparently, the higher ups were REALLY FUCKING STRESSED ABOUT being unable to provide for EN/ID for so long) while the main office was basically incompetent at helping them provide that content
It'll do a lot to build up trust

>>59206080
they always start 5mins early so it counted as today

>>59206080
They always start 5 minutes before the day change.

>>59206080
They always start 5 mins early

>>59205780
>hard work
>VN
FWMC are literally clicking buttons to switch slideshows..........

Moom's 3D made me smile from beginning to end
It also got great numbers
Happy for her

>>59206164
Reading for one hour is more hard work than playing a thousand hours of video games

Full all the shitposting Ina gets on how she reclined she wouldnt have failed to make the tally today...

>>59205871
Throughout her time in Hololive she hasn’t done anything to make them distrust her. If anything she probably has some brownie points from the company for proactively pursuing alternatives to studio 3D for EN during Covid

Bijoober still failing to hit the tally huh?

>>59206223
She was too busy pretending to be Italian today

>>59206100
That makes sense, Ame providing 3D support is a really big deal when you think about it. I almost wonder if they've done enough for her bothering to take the initiative there.

>>59206108
>>59206118
>>59206120
They know EXACTLY what they're doing.

>>59206223
Ina used to be the number two EN
The standards are much higher for her.

Advent is Holo jp1 tier chuubas number wise

why are suddenly so many people expecting a zatsudan to make it to the cripple tally?

>>59206245
MY DICK IS FUCKING LOSING IT
IT'S BEGGING FOR RELEASE
BUT SHE JUST
ISN'T
LETTING ME
PLEASE

>>59205871
Ame has always been a company girl. Regardless of her success she's been loyal to hololive for 3 years. Her 3D studio is used by many in EN but the set up is sub par. They may have given her the data to reduce EN complaints of never getting time in the 3D studio so Ame could produce better work.

>>59205780
planetarian is a one-off test, if they decide the numbers they get with it are no good then they're very easily able to pivot from here

>>59206276
anon they start early for every single stream