/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>58995882
I like youtube more because it's all the content archived in one spot, but I admit it's not great for discovery

Twitch because I like the color purple more than red

>>58995882
Choosing Twitch is choosing rebels
Choosing youtube is like choosing Empire
The answer is obvious

Twitch has cooler emotes but those ads are the fucking worst on mobile

>>58995964
a man of science

>>58995882
Youtube
Twitch feels like it's for subhumans

>stream on twitch
>need to strem for at least 2 years to get partnered
>when partnered you arent allowed to stream anywhere else
>get fucked over by abyssmal cut
>one of the most obnoxious viewers in all of vbuting, 2nd only to the NijiCN subhumans
>cant set up waiting rooms
>cant do schedules
>mandatory vod removals to avoid DMCA's
>forced vod deletions over a couple of months, have to use youtube anyway for archival
>raids where the other shitters get to shit up your chat without consequence, have to thank the raider or be branded a asshole

Twitch is for literal clinically diagnosed retards

yuchub
easier to avoid ads
in fact every time I get an ad on twitch I close the stream and watch/do something else

>>58996111
When you put it that way, you're right

I've been watching YouTube for over a decade and when I get home from work I don't feel like playing around on other sites.
I click red button. I click blue dorito entertainer.

>>58996742
I broke out of that way of thinking last year, that being said there isn't much on twitch that's worth my time. Simpleflips always uploads highlights, and most holos don't stream on twitch even if they have a channel

>>58996742
>I click red button. I click blue dorito entertainer.
What a shock.

>>58995882
youtube by far due to vods and no ads, twitch is impossible these days with their ads. twitch also runs so fucking slow for some reason

>>58995882
Youtube because I'm already there watching things other than streams.

>>58995882
My favorite chuubas are on Twitch so there.
The ads are garbage though

>>58995882
twitch for EN indies, youtube for my corpos

>>58995882
Youtube because
>skippable ads
>better connection at higher stream quality
>better UI
>reliable archives
>better viewerbase for vtubers in particular

>>58995882
Youtube because I simply spend more time on it

>>58997171
>better connection at higher stream quality
To be fair youtube video quality is kinda garbage even at it's best

Youtube because my fucking tv doesn't have a twitch app and I'd rather watch on my tv over my laptop.

>>58997294
Compared to playing a local video file? Yeah totally the youtube encoding creates a shitton of artifacts
Compared to twitch? Youtube is great, twitch streams shit themselves at what would be a medium quality setting on youtube

Twitch, since I can support the streamer paying in USD and not with my pathetic currency.

>>58996307
>need to strem for at least 2 years to get partnered
This is true, but they only care about consistency if youre on the bubble. As a 2view you will absolutely need to prove you stream consistently for years with stable viewership and follow rates in order to get them to partner you. If you shoot up to high 3view or you have 10k follows they will hand you a sub button by the end of the week.
>twitch vod autism
Yep, it sucks.

Every other feature you claim twitch lacks is an outright lie

>>58997633
You are welcome to prove me wrong, clinicaly diagnosed retard

>>58995882
>>58995923
fpbp

Youtube, can't stand Twitch ads.

>>58997633
>waiting rooms and schedules
Twitch has had them for about 6 months
>raids
You have to click a button to opt in to allowing randos to raid your stream
>exclusivity
The twitch exclusivity contract was for a handful of 5view fleshtuber playerunknown's battlegrounds streamers who were at risk of being poached by kik and mixer. If you are not at risk of being poached by mixer then you do not have an exclusivity contract. And those contracts still let you upload vods on youtube.

>>58995882
Twitch, I'd rather watch sub 10 ccv chuubas and they're simply too hard to find on YT. Even if you do find someone small on YouTube, the higher lag and lack of redeems makes the stream far less interactive, and since you're on YT already, might as well watch a prerecorded video

Twitch, can't stand Youtube ads.
both are shit desu

Twitch is better when it comes to emotes, especially with 3rd party apps like 7tv that you can reasonably expect most of the people chatting to use, but you really need to cultivate your community or else it's dogshit spam.

>>58995882
Youtube. The only reason why is because I can switch between my alt accounts super fast while it's a pain on Twitch.

>>58995882
Twitch because I like the emotes and the streamers there. It's unwatchable garbage when they manage to break the latest adblocking solutions though.
This adblocker currently works for me at least:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stream-cleaner/lehcglgkjkamolcflammloedahjocbbg

>>58998091
At least I can stop Youtube ads. Twitch I have to find a new way to get rid of them every so often. Hate stream hopping and missing some minutes.

>>58998265
Thanks god I live in a terrorist country - there's no ads here.

>>58995882
YouTube simply because it's easier to block ads and YouTube doesn't constantly endeavor to try to find adblocker workarounds to shove 5 30 second ads in your face all the time.

youtube has treated my oshi terribly, so unfortunately it's twitch for me. ads aren't an issue with ublock and like two lines in advanced options.

>>58995923
This is wrong, this has proven to be wrong, but you twitchfags keep saying it

>>58995882
Twitch pre-amazon take over was an obviously better streaming service. Amazon ads are so fucking annoying they single handedly made me leave the website. Having to consistently change ad blockers became so annoying I actually decided to just pay for YouTube premium instead and I almost never go to twitch.

Unfortunately YouTube is dogshit for discoverability. The video player lags when there are too many people typing in chat. Even with these problems and other small annoying problems I still prefer YouTube over Twitch.

TL;DR Youtube because Twitch forced my hand

I prefer the one i can watch on mobile that’s 100% stream instead of 90% ads

>>58995923
I have yet to see this magical twitch discovery in action. 0views never get put on front page

YouTube is the grown ups table. Always has been. It's the industry standard

Virtual YouTubers, not Virtual Twitchers.

>>58998832
Imagine being so dumb you can't even lurk the /g/ archives for the alternative apps.

>>58999256
Twitch is the retirement home for vtubers. There is a reason why for every vtuber that struggles, the hail mary advice is
>just go to twitch

>>58998622
Imagine sucking cock of a billion dollar corpo
I hope youtube at least pays you for these posts

>>58999373
the reason why is because twitch takes 15% more money, but they bot + count anything as a view. they make you feel like you're bigger than you are so you come back and stream on their platform.

on youtube, you are smaller than you actually are. multiply a youtube ccv by 1.65 to get a more accurate representation of true audience.

>>58995882
Twitch culture is repellent to anyone over the age of 17. Emojis shouldn't hijack an entire stream.

>>58995882
For modding, twitch because it actually has modding tools
For watching, youtube because it doesn't require chuubas to figure out how to keep VODs up with their smoothbrains

Youtube, especially since I can't even get Twitch to work now.

>>58999373
>the hail mary advice is
Only retarded /#/fags give that advice. Yes, Twitch looks like it has bigger viewership, but it's really incomparable. Everybody sane realizes that twitch counts anything as a viewer while Youtube counts only viewers that it can track.

>>58996111
I have no clue what you're referencing but which one of those two is more genocidal?

>>58999770
>Only retarded /#/fags give that advice
No, and it's not bad advice either.
If you're a struggling chuuba, what looks better
>streaming to 30-40 people on YouTube
or
>streaming to 80-100 people on Twitch, but you forfeit 15% extra
at that level, that 15% is a small price to pay for making you feel like you're making it.

>>58999906
>making you feel like you're making it
That's the problem. You're not actually making it, you're just deluding yourself. Instead of trying harder or something different, you're wasting time. You're not even going to get enough experience to join a corpo with bunch of groomers.

>>58995882
>Youtube
better pay cut 30/70
less annoying chat (no pog or w/e spam shit)
no unskipable ads
selective raiding
archive last longer than one month

>>58999492
The sheer irony of this post

>>58995882
YouTube because I can watch it easily on my television.

>>58995882
As a big fan of having whatever stream I'm watching get interrupted by a random minute-long ad at the most inconvenient times, I can't get enough of Twitch. It feels amazing when you miss something the streamer was about to say because an ad showed up, and then you can't even go back to catch up on what you missed either because there's no tracking. It feels amazing.

Only thing twitch has over youtube is the better interface honestly. I'll take youtube every time, even if the chat runs like shit for some reason.

you guys don't use ad blockers?

Youtube. Twitch culture is for fucking losers, man children and actual children. Yes, moreso than YouTube's. If a vtuber likes twitch culture a lot that won't save it in my eyes, the girl just gets demoted down as lowlife trash like the rest of them instead.

Youtube also keeps VODs, and twitch streamers literally use it as a backup repository. If you are gonna compare site to site directly then no you can't go "but you can store vods on YouTube" - that's admitting defeat basically because twitch by itself fails at this fundamental attribute.

>>59000437
You're missing the point, you shouldn't even have to. With Youtube you can but you don't need to because they give you a skip option and even for the ones that don't they last 30s MAX on Twitch you can wait up to 2 fucking minutes with unskippable shit before you get to the content you want to watch

(op) been attempting a poll and so far youtube is winning, with twitch close behind

>>58995882
twitch
youtube has fucked over people I care about far too often for me to trust them, and livestreaming will always be a sideshow for them that they could scrap at any moment
twitch can't afford to ruin the experience too much because it's all they have going for them
besides, the twitch interface is vastly superior - youtube used to have a gaming.youube interface that wasn't borderline unusable years ago, but they scrapped it for no discernible reason

How some of you operate without an adblocker I'll never understand

>>58998622
I've discovered the majority of vtubers I watch on twitch through the site itself, because of recommendations, raids or gift subs, sometimes even through emotes.
The same is unthinkable on youtube. Recommendations are dogshit. The site would rather shadowban chuubas I already watch than show me new ones. Emotes can't be used on other channels. Raids and gifts are features they copied from twitch recently, but raid culture isn't really the same and gifts are worthless for discovery because they are opt-in and mostly just go to people who are already dedicated viewers and currently in the chat.

>>59000596
I've had an entirely different experience as far as youtube/twitch chatters go. Maybe it's different because youtube vtuber watchers primarily watch corpos, who are mostly spared the absolute worst of what youtube has to offer. Indies enjoy no such protection. The shitters that regularly plagued my favorite indies' chats while they streamed on youtube was some absolute rancid shit and they've occasionally expressed how glad they are not to have to endure it anymore. Twitch has weirdos too, obviously, but they are so much rarer in comparison.

Maybe these comparisons come from looking at youtube corpos vs twitch large indies or vshojos, not youtube indies vs twitch indies. The difference is massive.

>Open Twitch channel without being logged on/having an account
>notifications fucking everywhere
>close Twitch
Fuck that layout. Youtube, easy.

>>58995882
It's called virtual YOUTUBERS.

>>58998622
if I want to find new vtubers on twitch I click on the vtuber tag and sort by recommended, get hundreds of results of all sizes. If I want to find a vtuber on youtube, I have to search vtuber, envtuber, vtuber en, virtual youtuber, and that only catched the ones who bother tagging themselves, then sort by live, and only get indonesians.

I only watch vtuber streams and no other kinds of streamers, so I never really got into twitch, and now I find the site design and culture bewildering and exhausting, and the site aggressively tries to autoplay me into some horrible 3DPD streamer content. Plus, the ads are terrible and keep evading adblockers and the site won't let me log in on my tablet (primary platform I watch on) even if I request the desktop site—they want me to use their app, and I don't want to. By contrast, youtube's mobile site works fine and for some reason doesn't even load any ads for me, and I can switch to my other preferred content of nature documentaries, structural disaster analysis, and music the moment I'm done watching a stream without even having to go to another website. So, I'd rather watch virtual youtubers on youtube.

>>58995882
My only gripe with twitch is the amount of effort they put into injecting ads into streams

>>59000933
You don't get recommended new streamers on youtube because you don't watch streamers on youtube, and at most you watch clips which would recommend you other clips or clip channels. I have been recommended not only niji streamers, but indie streamers and even 1-2 view streamers.

>>59001212
>My only gripe with twitch is the amount of effort they put into injecting ads into streams
Good news. Youtube recently tried fucking around with antiadblock, thankfully my Ublock is still going strong. Fuck ads, never again. I don't think companies realize how much I hate them from how things were, I would unironically stop using the site.

I stopped using Duckduckgo because they now have ads. Brave isn't perfect but it's better.

YouTube because holos use youtube

so as an indie vtuber is absolutely useless to be on youtube unless you’re in a corpo

>>58995882
if i see ads i close the tab immediately, so the only one I even use is youtube, its not about which i prefer any more.

For anons who aren't hopelessly tech illiterate you can download PurpleTV for ad-free Twitch viewing on your android device. Just download the latest APK file.
https://purpletv.aeong.one/

>>59000968
>The shitters that regularly plagued my favorite indies' chats while they streamed on youtube was some absolute rancid shit
Remember not too long ago when youtube was insta-banning streamers left and right as punishment for them getting raided by spambots?

>>58998847
Not only are the 0views never promoted, but at the top you have faggot fleshtubers taking up slots and not even getting banned for it
Look at this shit. 6 out of top 10 are not vtubers

>>59001409
Some /vrt/ indies stream there without giving a fuck about numbers, others should follow their example.

>>59001409
that's what I've observed over the course of three years. I can count the successful youtube indies on half a hand, and they never get much bigger than 100-300 CCV at most, which is a great number for an individual, but not if that's the ceiling compared to the 5k+ range the top twitch vtubers have. youtube is great if you're a corpo, but an absolute dead end for an indie.

>>59001275
I watch plenty of vtubers on both platforms and I do get vtuber streams in my recommendations, don't get me wrong, but they're all from vtubers I already know. I can remember only a single time I discovered a new indie like that.

>>59001449
you're sorting high to low, so of course you're not getting any 0 views. Fleshies abusing tags is an issue, but there's a nice addon for that. My reccs look like this currently.

>>59001449
Do Kenji and Zilver not count because they're using weird looking models???

>>59001209
Follow-up for something specific I forgot to mention: twitch emotes. I can't stand them. There's this whole universe of esoteric memetic emotes
on twitch I have no idea the lore behind, but most of them are really ugly and feel "loud" visually. Youtube only lets you use stock emotes and ones from the channel you're currently watching, so I'll never have to see someone come into chat for something I'm watching and see them start spamming some emote of a guy making an exaggerated ``funny'' face. I also don't like the thing I see on youtube sometimes now where chats embedded into the stream will have a bunch of hearts floating up (annoying/distracting), but I don't know if that's a youtube thing or part of whatever system is used to embed chat into the stream.

>>59001680
this is youtube in comparison when checking the front page by live. can't filter by the vtuber tag, there's just no such feature. it's decent but also a lot more limited.

>>59001409
every vaguely relevant en indie vtuber I know about streams on twitch (except cookieswirlc lol but she doesn't stream), even the ones that started on youtube

>>58995882
Youtube because twitch is for e whores

>>59001429
Thank you so damn much Anon. I hope you get a bunch of money that is untaxed, I hope you have tons of sex with a hot person who genuinely loves you as well.

>>59001874
>can't filter by the vtuber tag, there's just no such feature
thats where you are wrong
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vtuber&sp=CAMSAkAB

>>58995882
I can use forsen emotes on my oshi's channel

>>59002168
see >>59001182
there's no unified english speaking vtuber tag. if you search vtuber, you're missing the ones tagging themselves as envtuber, or vtuber EN, or virtual youtuber, or whatever else, and if you only search vtuber you've got a sea of JP streams to wade through.

>>59002314

>>59002380
KEK

>>59001508
Which ones?

>>59001318
Yeah ublock is still good enough for youtube, twitch needs proxy extensions to bypass some of their new ads

>>59002690
>twitch needs proxy extensions to bypass some of their new ads
Jesus what a shithole.
I don't get why people still use it. Please god let Twitch and youtube die and people upload more to alternative sites. I'm desperate just use vimeo at this point, anything is better than twitch or youtube it just doesn't have the content.

>>59001822
I agree that YouTube not having cross-channel emotes is plus, not a negative. The same goes for not having animated emotes, I can't stand those.

>>59003261
I don't agree. but youtube might as well not have emotes at all. You literally can't copy-paste custom emotes, apparently that's too much of a technological challenge for Google. The emote picker is also hot garbage and can't even manage a basic substring search. Why bother having them at all?

>>58998686
>The video player lags when there are too many people typing in chat.
The chat also somehow leaks memory. Watch a youtube stream for long enough and your browser *will* eat all of your RAM

>>58995882
Youtube so they can actually earn some money from the views

>>58999492
Dumbest post I've seen today.

How do you find 0views on YT? Twitch makes it easy

>>58995882
Youtube
Twitch has turned into such a piece of shit

If DVR is off then YouTube. If DVR is on which is like 90% of livers then Twitch.

>>58995882
YouTube for chuubas and Twitch for fleshies. The chatters are different flavors of shit and I'm tired of pretending thotherewisover

>>58995882
Twitch
+chat actually works
+low latency and little downtime
+emote culture
+paywalled streams are unpopular
-ads make it unusable even with multiple adblockers made exclusively for Twitch
YouTube
+easy to browse
+VOD + DVR
-noticeable stream delay and lots of hiccups
-chat literally lags the browser and needs an extension to work
-emotes suck. no tab completion for member emotes so you have to navigate a tiny window to find the right one

Twitch with streamlink is my go to viewing experience but all the good vtubers are on YouTube. Tbdesu chat isn't that important because everyone chats /here/ or on discord anyway.

>>59000933
>tfw this gyaru caught my eye randomly through the youtube live tab when she had like 250 viewers
>tfw I got into vspo through her

Youtube. better player, better UI and Ad block works better. They could kill Twitch if they just put in a little effort. Even just adding a live section to the side bar, like the shorts section, would already make a big difference.

Youtube.
i watch streams from my phone, so i use vanced, both are shit btw

>>58995923
>discovery
anyone who says this doesnt watch vtubers on youtube. twitch doesnt even have an algorithm, it just sorts streamers based on ccv

>>58995882
youtube because my oshi isn’t a twitch whore

twitch for streams
yt for videos

>>58995882
YT because
– it archives all streams forever by default
– you can go back or start late and then catch up by watching at 1.5x or 2x (there's an extension to enable it on all channels)
– comment section
– I'm already paying for premium
– the ads on Twitch feel more annoying

>>59004854
youtube has an algorithm and it recommends you the kind of stuff you watch. if you watch 0views it's going to recommend you more 0views

I don't understand the discovery argument. YouTube search is better than Twitch search.

>>58995882
As a viewer, there is nothing for me to like about Twitch. If someone I already really enjoy does a rare stream there, I might tune in. But I'll immediately disregard a chuuba who exclusively/primarily streams there.

>>58995882
the indies I like all stream on Twitch but I would prefer if they streamed on Youtube. Some of them are thinking about starting to dip their toes into youtube streaming so things are looking up

>>59008956
Which is why I only get holostuff on YT. I'm branching out trying to find small time chuubas on my off time and sorting by current viewers makes that easier

>>58996111
Amazon = rebels? Are you retarded?

>>58995882
U to be
>why?
you just install adbock and bye bye ads, that doesn't work on twitch

I don't care about emotes, I don't care about chat, I'm there to watch the streamer do or play something interesting, not hang out with randos in chat. I treat streamers like I treat long form video makers. I watch their stuff over an extended period of time and pause when I need to get up and do something or whatever. As such I almost never watch live and prefer VODS. Youtube is superior for this.

>>59008849
>– I'm already paying for premium
FUCKING WHY?
You people are a fucking mystery to me. Why the fuck are you paying for youtube? It's free, it was always free. Stop giving money to companies who hate us and want to make everything worse.
You're literally paying for a product that is now inferior to the original free version with a disliek system, functional search system, ability to sort videos from oldest, etc.

I prefer Twitch. I've been using it since JustinTV, years before YouTube even toyed with the idea of hosting livestreams.
And it's just no contest.

Twitch is built for livestreaming. Its interface is superior for finding and watching livestreams.
The chat is significantly, significantly better. I've heard it plenty of times from streamers and chatters that the chat experience of YouTube alone is enough to keep them away.
The fact that I need a third-party extension to make YouTube streams look like this is fucking pathetic.
Twitch's community... exists at all, unlike YouTube.

There's a reason why almost all streamers are on Twitch, and why YouTube can only get big players by buying them out.

>>58996307
>need to strem for at least 2 years to get partnered
>when partnered you arent allowed to stream anywhere else
>cant do schedules
These are not true.
I don't know about previous partner requirements, but there is currently no barrier for the amount of time you've been streaming.
Partner exclusivity ended a long time ago.
Schedules were added as a site feature a while back.
>cant set up waiting rooms
Your offline channel is always a waiting room

>>58999796
https://youtu.be/hHE8EhOW994?si=8Z02ha4fdJzsMpn_

the rebels were the bad guys

>>58995882
twitch 90 seconds unskippable ads are unforgivable

>>59010261
>The chat is significantly, significantly better
KEKW

>>59000639
>you shouldn't even have to
You should always have an adblocker. It's Internet Safety 101

>>59010261
>open twitch steam
>wait for 90 second unskippable ad to end
>people spamming random words
>ask whats going on
> "oh anon you need to download bttv and 7tv otherwise twitch chat sucks and you cant join us in the mindless emote spam"

>>58995882
I've never had to set aside hours of my life searching and testing solutions to block ads on Youtube.
I don't know of an ad-free mobile app for Twitch. Youtube has Vanced.
Recommendations are better on Youtube for the user, although discovery is far worse if you're a toiling 2view.
Twitch chat is especially retarded and zoomie. This isn't a big thing because they really aren't far off from each other, but pretty much everyone is an ironic weeb on Twitch.
All the whoretubers stream on Twitch. Maybe this is a negative or positive depending on your preferences.
Overall, I prefer Youtube and I'm already deep in their ecosystem for non-streamer content, so I rarely Twitch.

>>58995882
Youtube.
Because Twitch is being a bitch in my country by disabling archives and I wouldn't be able to always catch them live since I have irl duties as well.
No I'm not gonna tinker with vpns or some other shit. Don't wanna go through extra steps just to watch internet woman.

>>59001209
>and only get indonesians
kek'd real hard

>>59010997
>I don't know of an ad-free mobile app for Twitch
there are a few, I use xtra: https://github.com/crackededed/Xtra
also, didn't vanced die? I know revanced exists but I feel like it would be too much of a hassle for someone who can't work out twitch adblock

>>58995882
Youtube because twitch ad barrage is insufferable.

>>59010448
Yes.

>>59010926
The Stream Cleaner extension works, I do not see ads. Yeah sometimes they find a way to break it but after a couple days the extensions get patched or you can find a new one that works. Big deal.

Emotes are fun and the third-party extensions open up not just a huge amount of emotes, but also lots of QoL site features (for example, I have a bunch of the chat clutter removed like hype trains, gift leaderboards, etc.).

I don't know why emotes make YouTube kids so upset anyway, it's not like you faggots even care about chat experience. Chat may as well not exist at all on YouTube. YouTube vtubers barely acknowledge it, most of them don't even put your usernames in their on-stream chat widget, there's significant delay, and it defaults to a weird "top chat" function that prunes some comments for some reason.

You know what you can do in Twitch chat?
>directly reply to other chatters, including a thread function
>viewer-side filter system if you're autistic enough to need one
>use one channel's sub emotes across the entire site
>collect channel points for redeems which streamers can set up to interact with their stream layout, model, the lights in their room, etc (e.g. direct viewer interaction with the stream)
>if you are a streamer or mod, you actually have effective mod tools (critically important and it baffles me that YouTube still hasn't improved this at all)

Anyway, end of the day the chat reflects the streamer.
A lot of you have this single idea of what "Twitch chat" is, but it's different in every channel. I mean yeah there's a generalized culture around emotes and the third-party extensions, but everyone's chat is different.

>>58999492
You're trying to be retarded for (You)'s, right?

>>58999582
Jesus, is the twitch botting that bad nowadays?

>>59011946
>>directly reply to other chatters
forms cliques, not a good thing
>use one channel's sub emotes across the entire site
using a chuuba's emotes in another chuuba's chat isnt a good thing, you shouldnt do that
>collect channel points for redeems
adhd zoomer shit

I'm glad people like you stay away from youtube

The ONLY thing twitch has going for it is that the video streams are not compressed at all. With that being said, that is a huge deal. But ultimately I think the rest of Youtube's plusses outweigh this twitch's plus here

>>59012130
Twitch doesnt care about bots since they don't have an algorithm

>>59012159
>forms cliques
What do you think a chat is, exactly? Just shouting into the void on the faint glimmer of hope that your streamer will read it?
>using a chuuba's emotes in another chuuba's chat isnt a good thing
The fuck is wrong with you?
>adhd zoomer shit
Ah yes I hate... being able to interact with a livestream

Nigga it really sounds like you would rather just watch a pre-recorded video.

>>59012405
I bet you're on discord servers too

>>59012441
What does that have to do with anything

The entire point of a livestream is that it's LIVE. If you aren't engaging with it LIVE, then you might as well just watch the VOD instead.
Which as I understand is significantly more popular with the vtuber audience on YouTube.
Comparatively, Twitch viewers prefer to actually catch streams live, because of the live experience, and VODs are an afterthought.

>>59012686
so you are a discordfag, not surprised

YouTube. I don't even consider watching twitch. It's for subhumans.

>>59012754
Again, how is that in any way relevant at all
We're not talking about Discord at any point here

>>59012915
it is incredibly relevant and you'd understand it if you werent a part of the problem

youtube, because i can watch AVGN rightaway after each stream because its on my recommended

>>59012967
Explain it to me.

>>58995882
Youtube. Mainly because Twitch chat is AIDS incarnate, my biggest gripe being that some people that just go to chat between themselves and use the stream as background noise.

Twitch does have better discoverability, simply because you can search the vtuber tag and find a plethora of chuubas live (most are trash).
Vtuber tag on youtube is mostly old shorts content that have big views.
Twitch also has affiliate program, and better emotes. Gifts a bits are also better than YT, as well as mobile support. Mod features are also far, far superior on Twitch, as well as bot integration.
Twitch streamlines a lot of things, and makes it easier for indies to get recognized and receive support from their audience.
YT has some benefits, like automatic encoding and VOD support, plus shorts, but that is about it as far as I am aware.
At the end of the day, smart indies use both, and corpos use YT because they don't really need what Twitch has. YT also has account controls, which may be why it's so popular with corporate chuubas.
It's all about what you need from the platform. Neither is entirely superior to the other.

>>59001135

>>59011609
Vanced half-works. Eventually your profile gets "locked" from watching videos. However, if you have multiple profiles on your account you can switch and keep watching on Vanced.
I tried getting Revanced working and it's a pain in the ass like you said. Getting rid of ads off Twitch was easier.

>>59001135
It isn't 2016 anymore grandpa.

>>59014189
>Vtuber tag on youtube is mostly old shorts content that have big views.
False
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vtuber&sp=CAMSAkAB

>>59014189
>better discoverability
And other lies twitchbotfags tell themselves

Twitch has much better chat features, less server hiccups, twitch theater mode on desktop actually shows chat and maximizes the video area well, and discovery of new channels on twitch is way better.

However, Twitch also doesn't keep VODs for very long, and bezos keeps slithering right through ad blockers somehow so my answer to title has to be Youtube because I'll go read a fucking book before I watch commercials. I really wish Youtube would steal some fucking UI common sense from twitch though.

Also the actual chatters on twitch are cancer.

youtube because my adblocker works there

>>59019792
>Also the actual chatters on twitch are cancer.
he says that while lurking /vt/ (same shit)

>>59019946
BRO YOU REALLY PEPEW'D HIM SO HARD I'M GACHIW RN FRFR BRO

>>59019946
You're not wrong, anon

>>58995882
Youtube, only because of the better archive but i do watch Twitch streamers be it flesh and vtubers.

>>59020071
yes

>>58995882
Youtube because I use the site more anyways.
I think Twitch is better for streamer-chat interaction due to the lower delay but trying to watch vods is a chore and they're more aggressive in getting around adblockers.
I don't care about finding new 2views, youtube's recommendations are good at providing content from my favorite corpo.

>>58995882
for a livestream, Twitch because it's better at interactivity. but I'd rather my Oshi stream on youtube because youtube is way better at archiving streams as well as allowing for other types of content.

>>59021547
>due to the lower delay
if a youtube stream has high delay it's because the chuuba is retarded and didnt change the default settings

>>59022000
Which interactivity do you prefer, the POGU's or the PEPELAUGHS?

I still have no idea what "twitch culture" is. Is it emote spam? All I see in holo chats is emote spam.

>>59022501
I prefer the channel points where they can ruin the stream with sounds or make her bald instead
Nothing says interactivity than that

>>59022501
cope

>she watches VODs/archives

>>59022709
I love it when you can throw stuff at the streamer and completely derail the stream for a few minutes
or when I use channel points to remind the chuuba to drink water, you cant do that on youtube

>>59022780
>tfw my oshi streams too much for me to ever have time to watch VODs
I still like them on principle though. Lost media can suck my dick.

Every other time i try to watch twitch im met with them trying to force me to watch their shitty ads. I would rather troon out and cut my own dick off than watch an ad

I get ads on youtube too now, ublock doesnt work anymore

>>58999657
>For modding, twitch because it actually has modding tools
I like how they have an automatic dilation button

>>59022501
not the platform's fault most people are retarded.

I will not watch Twitch shit, it's cancer with shit features

>>59023885
Hard cope

>>59000929
The average /vt/ poster is roughly the equivalent of an 'elite PC gamer' who uses a 2000 alienware prebuilt PC and brags about how it has an 'ultra high definition integrated graphics card', which he uses to play league of legends and pubg.

>>58995882
I prefer Youtube.
It has vast majority of vtubers I watch. The only one I like on Twitch is FallenShadow, and I'm fine watching the vods she posts on Youtube.
I don't like interacting with vtubers with low viewers. It gets my social anxiety going too much. So any benefits twitch has for streamer interaction is lost on me.
I don't need discoverability, because I don't do a lot of stream hopping or trying to discover new vtubers. I see vtubers more of a long term relationship where I try to watch every stream that I can from my favored vtubers until they stop streaming. I only watch like 4 vtubers, and that's more than enough streams to fit in my busy schedule.
YouTube keeps the VODs archived.

Youtube has a bottomless amount of entertainment I already know I enjoy, perfectly curated specifically for me. Why would I go somewhere else for streamers of dubious quality that I don't care about, with a worse interface, and a worse fanbase?

>>59008956
>youtube has an algorithm and it recommends you mr beast. if you watch 0views it's going to recommend you korean mukbang
Fixed

>>59001409
If you goal is getting into the EN vtuber drama discord then yeah
Otherwise youtube is still better

>>59024825
stop watching mr beast and mukbang videos anon

>>59024731
Fair enough. I guess subjective value should be given more emphasis instead of having this awful platform war on which billion dollar corporation is better than the other.

>>58995882
>>58996111
Twitch den of scum and shit, be a hoe and proud
Youtube normies only the smart can carve out a nice nich empire.

>>59024825
>outs himself instantly
fucking grim. sorry, what do you understand...FeelsWeirdMan

>>59024950
I have never watched either, or any content remotely resembling either, outside of the vague concepts of 'i watch youtube videos therefore i must also watch mrbeast' and maybe 'those gooks or chinks or whatever all sound the same, heres some popular mukbang videos'. Youtube has a massive problem of always recommending you the 'more popular version' of what you just watched. Same thing with clicking an embed link to a videogame bgm on 4chan and then getting recommendations of rap videos for the next week

>>59009988
No, the retards that prefer Twitch think so more often than not though

>>58995882
I mean who wouldn't wanna see a chat like this 90% of the time
>KEKW
>POG
>MONKAW
>PEEPOHAPPY
>WEIRDCHAMP
>SADGE
>PRAYDGE
Fucking subhumans

>>59025321
I have never not once seen a mr.beast video in my recommended or front page. Stop watching him or people that copy him. My best guess is that you watch pippa

>>59025369
WHATS WRONG WITH SADGE, PRAYGE AND MONKAW
WHAT THE FUCKING STUPID GREEN FROG DID TO YOU
IT CAME FROM HERE

>>59025321
sounds like a you problem, watch better youtubers

>>59025369
So just like holo chats, but with different emotes

>>58995882
Youtube
>VOD save
>nice interface
>Not too many adds
>the censored is less pc

>>59025554
>watch better youtubers
Unless you watch exclusively pekomiko i sincerely doubt that this has never happened to you. Do you actually watch indies?

>>59025515
Green frog got bastardized by normies, as many memes that break containment eventually do.

>>59019757
Name a successful indie vtuber from YouTube.

>>59025654
I haven't seen a normalfag youtuber in my homepage in years. Some vidya related channels like mandalorian show up from time to time but that's it, I don't get other popular channels
I almost exclusively watch 2view indies and small corpos

>>58995882
Twitch heavily pushes tranny and "save le ukraine" agenda. They can go fuck themselves.

>>58995882
I don’t care as long as they stream.

>>58995882
I almost never touch twitch, and when i do its only extremely extremely rarely when my favorite of favorite youtube vtubers do extra content there.
Twitch ads alone make it not worth viewing. but add on the fact its honestly no better a streaming experience, actively encourages the worst trends in chatter interaction, and heaven forbid you have to pause and come back or something.
and if you miss a stream or wish to browse content? Youtube wins by entire galaxies of distance.
all twitch offers IS streaming, and with very debatable pros and cons.
Youtube offers you a VERY debatable equal or better package, but with plenty else outside of streaming thats superior and easier to use if you simply are already on youtube.
easily youtube, because theres more to think about for where you stream than just when you are currently streaming.

>>58996135
>cooler emotes
Pay for membership and you can get cool emotes too

>>59025859
50% of the people that got into hololive.
Next COPEGA, sister?

>>59025859
successful indie vtubers dont exist. the popular ones in the twitch are only popular because they dont act like vtubers, they're just regular twitch whores

>>59022000
>I'd rather my Oshi stream on youtube because youtube is way better at archiving streams
Y'know... I just don't get why this makes YouTube a better streaming platform.

So many people ITT are stressing how YouTube automatically archives streams, but...
Twitch streamers use YouTube for their VODs, too? The VOD game is quite literally identical on both sides.
YouTube is better for VODs, hence everyone uses YouTube for VODs. Why this makes it a preferred platform as a livestream watcher is beyond me.

>>59022685
Twitch culture is being The Other, therefore it is bad

>>59025515
reddit frog, reddit website

>>59026117
Being successful after joining a corpo doesn't count retard

>>59026154
What exactly do you mean by "act like a vtuber?"

>>59026285
>MUH GOALPOSTS...THEY'RE MOVING ON MY OWN
Keep slurping on that Bezos dick. It won't change anything.
YOUTUBE BOARD

>>59026385
I did not move my goalpost, you're just too retarded to understand that an indie is no longer indie after joining a company.

>>59026437
Holy shit you're retarded.
Have fun with your reddit frog and botted viewers

>>59026462
Name a successful indie vtuber on YouTube.

Twitch sucks. I hate it when my small indie gets raided by rude faggots who spam unrelated emotes and act like annoying little kids. I also hate all the gaudy emotes people use, YouTube emotes are a lot cleaner and easier on the eyes making it a superior chatting experience. The ads are goddamn annoying too. It is better for finding small creators though, but unfortunately 99% of small creators are trash and deserve to be small so it's still quite tough to find people. I am not sure what people see in twitch chat, it's literally just YouTube chat but messier

>>59026480
Retard, I already shit on you with so many answers.

>>59026540
You didn't give me a single answer.

>>59025515
Every single person using frogs on this site is fucking faggot at best, people that use it on other sites are even worse

>>59026285
>What exactly do you mean by "act like a vtuber?"
the exact opposite of how /lig/gers act

>>59026480
Shigure Ui?

>>59026661
election tourists dont know that you get banned from most boards for being a frogposter

>>59026480
You can tell this retard doesnt even watch vtubers if he thinks youtube is only for corpo vtubers

>>59025859
Yoshika!
Regular 1k+ karaokes while being 100% indie!
50% members to greys ratio!
https://www.youtube.com/@YOSHIKA-Ch

>>59026480
name a successful indie on twitch that's an actual vtuber and not just a twitch whore who uses an avatar

Where did this narrative that YouTube also has emote spam come from, people that don't actually watch YouTube? Fuwamoco had 20k viewers, no emote spam, cali had 4 k viewers, no emote spam, most Kiara streams, no emote spam, most small corpos, no emote spam. Go to tarik, filian, asmongold, shakily streams, bam emote spam

>>59026681
It is generally unhelpful to define something by what it isn't.
If you could actually tell me what "acting like a vtuber" IS, that'd be great. Thank you.

>>59026839
>an actual vtuber
Define that please.

>>58995882
Youtube because I get no ads

>>59026839
Shylily
She's also as good as it gets above 500CCV over on that site by orders of magnitude

>>59026925
lol

>>59026587
>IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAY SO
Retard

>>59026925
>shylily
>not a whore
Come on bait better

There are a TON of huge indies but they are jp. Just login around 6 am PST 9am est and there are multiple jp streamers with 500-2000 viewers, and when I say multiple I mean hundreds. YouTube is just more popular with jp it's their go to beside nico douga. Twitch is just the go to for western indies

>>59027012
I asked for an indie and you literally told me "Hololive."

>>59026906
I mean the vtubers who arent completely disconnected from the vtubing culture

>>59027076
Small indie company, please understand

>>59025859
peanuts kun

>>59027091
You're not making this clearer.
Before I can continue this conversation in a meaningful way, I need to understand what your perception of a "real vtuber" is.

Dancing around it like this is not instilling me with much confidence that you actually know what that is.

>>59026740
>>59026772
>>59026775
that guy probably should have said en indie vtubers, things seem to work differently for jps
it probably helps that they have less fleshtuber competition

>>59027170
you sound like a bot, how do you not understand what vtubing culture is? do you now watch vtubers? why are you even here?

>>59027076
Before Hololive, you disingenuous fuck. I spelled it out for your dumb ass.
CookieSwirlC. Move that goalpost, you faggot.

Why do twitch trannies get so offended when someone else prefers YouTube.
As far as I'm concerned, you can keep twitch to yourself. Don't bother coming to YouTube if you don't like it.

>>59027202
The vtubing culture doesn't exist in Twitch so he doesn't know anything about it, please understand

>>59027202
Just humor me, you prick.
If it's so obvious it shouldn't be this hard for you to explain.

>>59027209
Thanks for answering.
Like pulling fucking teeth with you faggots.

>>59027209
she doesn't stream lol
most twitch vtubers post youtube highlight videos, it helps to take advantage of audience segmentation
>>59027287
twitch vtubing culture is not the same as jp vtuber culture (or whatever idea you've got of twitch vtubers from watching coomer clippers)
they aren't japanese and shouldn't pretend to be

>>59027406
Ah, an answer is given and he malds out of his ass. And a COPIUM to you as well, fellow Bezoscuck

>>59027287
Vtubing culture is what hololive does this year but not what hololive did in 2019 because vtubing wasnt a culture then. Its kinda like how that one advent girl isnt a real vtuber because shes been vtubing for 8 years like a degenerate and not for 3 years like a real vtuber.

>>59027287
This shouldn't be so difficult to realize given that being a virtual youtuber on twitch is a fucking oxymoron.

>>59027510
We could've ended this conversation 20 minutes ago if you hadn't sperged out about it and just gave a proper answer.

>>59027552
What about being one on nnd?

>>59027454
>they aren't japanese and shouldn't pretend to be
japanese otaku culture is an integral part of vtubing, they aren't vtubers if they don't have that. It's also an integral part of 4chan, people like you shouldn't be here

>>59027030
Don't even bother answering with these types of threads

>>59023182
Stop using chrome

>>59027581
So you accept you're wrong? I just want you to spell it out, you've been dancing around all thread.

>>59027591
Japanese okaku culture is about as much an integral part of here (/jp/) as torrenting culture (/t/) is. If your seed ratio is less than 10 you should also leave.

>>59027454
How pathetic does someone have to be to use an anime avatar without being a weeb. Normies reaching new lows yet again.

>>59025321
What you need to do is when you go to youtube hit thr little button that opens a drop down menu beside the video name and click do not recommend this channel

Normally I'd say youtube, but this recent spat of chats full on dying or being super delayed is very rapidly making me prefer twitch

The reason people don't stream on YouTube for English is cultural, jp we got people like maisaki berry, Figaro, quontama, hachi, yoshika, and many more that I can't remember, but during jp times you see all of them.

>>59027660
I mean I could certainly nitpick Cookie since she was massively successful before being a vtuber. Ideally I was looking for someone who started as a vtuber.

But you're not wrong.

Anyone who actually watches English speaking indies know they all stream on Twitch. Go to /lig/ and try finding a single person discussing an indie streaming on YouTube.

>>59027514
You do realize most JP Hololive girls are middle aged women that have been streaming since the old days of nnd right. Many of them are in their mid 30s and have years of experience, that's why they have so much better work ethic than en on average, and surprise surprise their inconsistent members are their young ones like haachams and laplus

>>58997171
>>better viewerbase for vtubers in particular
how is it for discoverability?

>>58995882
Youtube
On youtube you can set up a frame in advance. And I just can open that "upcoming" in a new tab. And forget about it until it starts or I randomly click on that tab again. It's much, MUCH more easy to track upcoming streams. From what I've seen, on twitch it just happens, no warning. To know stream is happening you just have to... know it's happening. Trom twitter, or schedule, and you have to know the time, and adjust for timezone, and always keep it in mind to not miss. FUCK THAT. Open-and-forget is just better.

>>58995882
Reminder that a big reason why there is so much hate for twitch on /vt/ specifically is because youtube data is subsidized by indonesian mobile data providers while twitch data isn't.
It's really that simple.

>>59027591
japanese otaku culture has nothing to do with 'pretending to be japanese', japanese people don't have to perform japaneseness and otaku is just japanese for nerd
>>59027735
most twitch vtubers do care about japanese culture to some degree, and quite a few do watch at least a few holojps
they just don't pretend to be something they're not

>>59027912
none of the /lig/ whores are actual vtubers, you don't like vtubers

>>59027987
Me when I have the memory of a rat

>>59028046
What is an "actual vtuber?"
What are /lig/gers doing that makes them fake vtubers?

>>58995882
Twitch is shit, it's layout and archiving is shit, the purple is eyecancer, the chuubas are unprofessional and unstructured, too many BDSM references everywhere, too many kids, subscribing is pointless, and everything useful gets archived on YouTube anyway

YouTube and Twitch both have stupid content ToS though

>>59028012
It doesn't matter. What those other anons are talking about is how twitch and normies in general bastardize everything they touch.

>>59027956
You do realize we arent allowed to discuss what any of them actually did on nnd because its not real vtubing, correct?

>>59027912
Anon...?
/lig/ is literally a Twitch thread

>>59028105
Well for one a lot of them use Twitter to post themselves without their avatar, let alone shove their avatars in a corner and just... cam stream anyway. Along with the ever recurring avatar v person selfie trend on Twitter.

>>59028207
>/lig/ is literally a Twitch thread
Anon...? Are you retarded?

>>59028287
So do the vtubers you like, carefully examine /jp/ and possibly also /trash/, just because I will get a vacation for it does not mean the patreon does not exist.

>>59028287
OK, but the thing is that the majority of the vtubers in /lig/ do not do this, actually.
Many of the most popular ones in that thread have never shown their IRL selves. Handcams at most.

>>59028012
name 5 (five)

>>59010140
Because I watch a ton of YouTube, and as I see it, I have 3 options:
1. Watch ads. I hate ads, so this is not an option.
2. Use uBlock on PC and either ad-blocking browsers or cracked apps on mobile, until Google breaks them, and then it's the usual rat race. All so that I can steal the bandwidth from YT and the content from creators (because they wouldn't see a cent from me)
3. Pay Premium, get zero ads on all platforms, and the creators I watch allegedly get more money from me than if I watched ads.
If I couldn't afford it, sure, 2. would be an option. But I can, so I prefer 3.

>>59028396
Filian squchan saurei are super popular and have all done this, and at this point I do not consider them vtubers

>>59028196
care to elaborate?
what do you mean by 'normie', and how do you differentiate between innovation and bastardisation

>>59028491
>rat race
Vanced worked for years, and Revanced has been working fine since.
That attitude is exactly what subscription service providers prey on by the way. "It's only a cup of coffee, please subscribe and pay every month!!!"
Google should not be monetarily rewarded as they continue to actively destroy and fundamentally transform the internet every single day.

>>58995882
Twitch because it has less SEAnigs(lmao limited dataplan except for sites with exclusive contracts like Facebook and Google owned sites) and Latinx (shit Internet, needs to buffer and turn down quality)

If you ever wondered why people have so extreme positions on which platform to choose, its because they are effectively shut out from one of the options.

Youtube, because ARS premium and memberships

>>59028326
Now name us the vtubers from youtube that get posted there

>>59028457
Not him but
Coqui
Meat
FangGuu
Hiiragi Yuu
Yuniiho
OniGiri
RPR
LordAethelstan
Bao

I can keep going

It's funny how unsubstantiated memes about twitch vtubers parroted in /hlgg/ three years ago became a parallel pseudo-reality which only exists in the mind of people on /vt/.

>>59028745
Half of this thread is people who have never watched Twitch acting like they know everything about Twitch

>>59028105
>what's a vtuber?
For starters the very notion of indie vtuber is completely insane.
Vtubing exists because corporations decided to pour money into character rigging which led to vtubers like Kizuna Ai.
The technology just so happened to become cheap enough that any whore can put on an avatar and claim to be a vtuber.
It's pathetic, they changed their appearance but their content is exactly the same. There's a reason I stayed away from twitch streamers before and it's the same reason I stay away from twitch "vtubers" now.
Vtubers, by their very nature, requires very deliberate content and behavior to appeal to a specific audience. The fact that live 2d rigs required effort implied that it had to be a deliberate decision with a specific purpose. It requires an understanding of the community you're appealing to.
Twitch cam whores, on the other hand, adopted vtubing because it's the new cool thing that is successful. They're just chasing for clout like they always do.

>>59028857
>the very notion of indie vtuber is completely insane
Opinions discarded.
How's that boot taste, faggot?

>>59028794
PEPECLAP to this POGCHAMP my brother

>>59028932
no cap fr

>>59028857
By that logic vtubing exists to sell water bottles and brands like niji and holo that use vtubing to insist upon themselves are already going against the code.

>>59028742
those are all disgusting twitch whores though
and a male, lmao

>>59028857
>felating billion dollar megacorps from the word go
Goddamn it is depressing just how disgustingly corporate /vt/ and modern 4chan have become.

>>59028857
nowhere in this post have you specified what this 'very deliberate content and behavior' is
if it's playing video games with an avatar and not showing your face, most of /lig/ qualifies
if it means making content akin to kizuna ai's, I don't think most of hololive count

>>59028857
>Vtubers, by their very nature, requires very deliberate content and behavior to appeal to a specific audience

>>59025369
better than shitube

>>59029011
You're talking about Twitch right?

>>59028615
I say "normies," but I don't mean everyone who joins the community after it became popular. When I refer to "normies," I mean people who inject their own subjective ideals and opinions on something with total disregard of the history, community, and the "essence" of what they're trying to destroy.
Change is not bad. However, every single change should be made with the preceding state in mind. These "normies" don't think about these things at all. That is why I think "normies" bastardize everything they touch.

>>58995882
Youtube chat is fucking dogshit despite they can do something to make it better. Twitch chat win.

>>59028615
he means you, you should fuck off

>>59028932
Exhibit A

>>59028961
Two males
All of them care about Japanese culture.
Two of them are currently living in Japan. One lived there for five years. One was born and grew up there.
Two have visited at least once.
Three are conversational, if not fluent, in Japanese. Three are learning.

But I have a feeling it wouldn't matter WHO I listed because you had that response locked in before I even posted.

>>59028647
I use Google products and services every day, more than any others. Gmail, Android, Docs, Maps, Translate, YouTube... are either top notch or among the best in their respective category. That's a funny way to "destroy the internet". I'm not a fanboy, but I'm not an anti either. If I product I use everyday is supported either by ads or by a subscription, that's a valid option to me.

>>59028742
>Meat
this whore got 16/100 in the purity test. she might as well be an actual prostitute. you should kill yourself

>>59029304
So?

>>59029304
yeah that's the average twitch "vtuber", and twitchfags like that
that's why it's impossible to argue with those retards

>>59029169
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T TEASE ME FOR LIKING THE REDDIT FROG, I LOVE SPAMMING EMOTES AND DERAILING THE STREAMER REEEEE
Pathetic

>>59029125
>with total disregard
I don't think any twich vtuber counts, then
you can generally trace direct descent from the original jp vtubers by asking them who inspired them to take up vtubing (and all of the exceptions to this I can think of are very private about their irl selves, which seems to be the main sticking point here)

>>59028689
https://www.indoindians.com/a-guide-to-mobile-data-plans-in-indonesia/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293253/sea-top-social-media-platforms-by-traffic-share-and-country/

>anons don't consider Twitch indies real vtubers
>almost all of HoloEN and NjijEN were Twitch indies before joining

>>59029566
why would that matter? some of them werent even streamers

>>59029472
Thats like saying the japanese rpg culture doesnt exist because you can trace them back to either wizardry/ultima or tabletop wargames.

>>59029566
I can post every frame from every stream my oshi has done on this site, can you say the same about twitch indies?

>>59029601
It matters because
>Twitch streamers bad!
But when Twitch streamer starts streaming on YouTube
>Wow, what a great new member of Hololive!

>>>>>>>>>>>>real vtubers
lmao

>>59029604
then you are agreeing with me
only an idiot would say jrpgs are the same as western rpgs
only an idiot would say they aren't rpgs

>>59029472
Being inspired has nothing to do with it. What you do after becoming a vtuber is. Also it doesn't only apply to vtubers. I actually mostly refer to the brainless fans when I say "normies."

>>59029604
It's also ignoring the incredible amount of Western vtubers who cite Kizuna AI or a Hololive member as their entry point into vtubing.

>>59029650
they're not doing the same content though
I dont even watch hololive btw

>>59029655
People itt would unironically say that veteran vtubers from 774 or nijijp aren't "real" vtubers either.
To be a real vtuber you apparently need to have direct lineage to Ai-chan or the blue triangle seal of approval.

>>59029753
>play games
>talk to chat
>sing songs
What's the difference

>>59029650
Oh hey, where did you find a picture of the average twitch 'content' creator?

>>59029700
if having brainless fans who know nothing about vtubing culture disqualified you, I'm not sure you'd have any major corpo vtubers left
and like I said, if anything the vtubers who became vtubers before learning about the 'culture' are more likely to stay out of drama and separate their personal lives from the content

>>59029869
Anonymous, that image is actually Tanaka Naoki, famous Japanese comedian.

>>59029650
>Twitch streamers bad
that's only true because twitch culture is basically nigger culture embodiment
change the culture change the streamer

>>59003185
I remember hearing that youtube gets like a hundred hours of content uploaded per minute or some crazy number like that.
The storage and bandwith costs at those levels are unfathomable to me.
Seems like any site that gets big enough can't be free taking such costs into consideration, so alternatives seem to be doomed to stay too small and irrelevant.

>>58995923
>it's not great for discovery
this nobody was recommended by yt out of nowhere, and there are more

>>59031063(me)
oops forgot to upload pic

>>59028794
Half of this thread are people that never watch YouTube and just want to fellate twitch and can't fathom the idea that people dislike their shitty emotes shitty bit rate and shitty intrusive ads

Youtubes chat is absolute dogshit.
Their discoverability none existent. The layout for theatre mode is unusable garbage.
Yes the quality settings might be better but literally everything else is a downgrade. How the fuck have they still not made a page that shows all current livestreams?
I have watched every single video that some creators make, and i still don't get recomennded their streams.

>>59031488
Twitch chat is so cancer, every time I have to watch vtubers like Baji I cringe at it, it's so fucking messy and hard on the eyes, believe it or not people prefer YouTube chat because it's like old MMORPG message boards and not full of zoomer flashing effects

>>59031488
>discoverability on twitch
I have never seen anyone succeed with this method. In many cases Twitch streamers get their popularity from Youtube clips or Tiktok shorts.

>shows all current livestreams
This twitch simp girl doesn't seem to know what the button on the top page is for.

>>59031478
>people that never watch YouTube
Site's been the globally dominant video platform since 2005 nigga

>>59031851
Twitch has been dominant since 2014 that's 9 years

>>59032044
>9 years
No wonder there are only 30s zoomers.

>>59031626
When people talk discoverability on Twitch, they mean being able to easily surf the vtuber tag, but also an actually competent recommendation feature. Pic related. This sidebar is always there and changes all the time.

Twitch recommends channels to you based on viewership overlap with channels you've watched recently, and also has channel-specific recommendations.

Of the 60+ vtubers I personally follow on Twitch, almost ALL of them I found organically within Twitch. And there are so many more that I don't watch, but am familiar with anyway due to how integrated the Twitch vtuber community is.

>>59032044
Twitch dominates for live content.
You would be genuinely very hard-pressed to find anyone online who has never watched YouTube.

>>59032126
>the button on the top page of youtube
I wrote the answer correctly, anon.

>>59032284
I just checked my Live tab on the home page.
>Nijisanji
>Hololive
>a handful of JPs
>scroll down like three lines and the page is progressively filled with more and more random garbage that has absolutely nothing to do with the videos or streams I watch
Wow, excellent
So easy to find new vtubers here

>>59032403
you're being disingenuous