/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://www.hololive-songs.com/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

Boy I sure do love sub-1 minute waiting room recoveries from almost 4k waiting! This is totally normal behavior and totally happens to all streamers btw.

Pippa is beating 3 Holo EN girls right now.

>>59011601
Recent clip numbers
>>58973398
>>58973420
>>58973557
>>58973585
>>58973607

>>59011652
the chink viewers are still around, huh?
They can still recline more, then

Is Shiori beating this or do we have a new lowest Advent stream?

You gottta admit though, Shiori's numbers do be looking grim as fuck even for watchalong standards

*cooms*

>>59011389
>>59011470
movie on the screen makes it a buff stream

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL TALLY *
>41,305: Miko (Hololive)
>41,101: Aqua (Hololive)
>39,729: Subaru (Hololive)
>37,793: Hajime (Hololive)
>25,324: Okayu (Hololive)
>21,139: Raden (Hololive)
>21,093: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>20,049: Lui (Hololive)
>17,545: Kanade (Hololive)
>14,464: Koyori (Hololive)
>13,559: Koyori (Hololive)
>13,546: Botan (Hololive)
>13,421: Chiroru (Indie)
>13,393: Hololive (Hololive)
>12,650: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>11,813: Yuika (Nijisanji)
>11,642: Lamy (Hololive)
>10,405: Kei (Nijisanji)

Debuffson could probably get higher numbers for a watchalong, this is really grim for shiori

Surprised nijiEN off collabs still give good numbers, they pretty much spam these things

>>59011750
No

I love Shiori.

>>59011690
Why do you people keep reverting to nijinigger "let's talk numbers 15 mins in" behavior?

What's the HoloEN box tonight with all of the overlap?

>>59011787
>SEPTEMBER 2023 GOLDS
1) Aqua (Hololive) - 45,789 - Apex
2) Iroha (Hololive) - 64,229 - Outfit Reveal
3) Miko (Hololive) - 82,404 - Minecraft
4) Marine (Hololive) - 51,829 - Parasocial
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 48,521 - Armored Core 6
6) Subaru (Hololive) - 106,673 - Oozora Police Minecraft
7) Hololive (Hololive) - 63,855 - 6th Anniversary
8) Botan (Hololive) - 95,311 - Birthday Live
9) Kanade (Hololive) - 110,230 - Debut Stream
10) Raden (Hololive) - 129,772 - Debut Stream
11) Rion (Nijisanji) - 65,412 - Personality Test (w/ Mito, Kuzuha, Toya & others)
12) Hajime (Hololive) - 47,019 - Karaoke Stream
13) Hololive (Hololive) - 58,901 - Blue Journey
14) Chiroru (Indie) - 42,314 - Hanshin Tigers vs Yomiuri Giants
15) NeruMero (Indie) - 37,114 - Genshin Impact Update Watchalong
16) Lui (Hololive) - 33,478 - Outfit Reveal
17) Okayu (Hololive) - 80,549 - Minecraft (w/ Fubuki, Mio, Laplus, Lui)
18) Kronii (Hololive) - 58,935 - 3D Showcase
19) Subaru (Hololive) - 54,746 - SMOK Lie Detector
20) Miko (Hololive) - 41,305 - Soul Calibur 6

>PER COMPANY
17x: Hololive
2x: Indie
1x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
2x: Hololive, Miko, Subaru
1x: Aqua, Botan, Chiroru, Kanade, Hajime, Iroha, Kronii, Lui, Marine, NeruMero, Okayu, Pekora, Raden, Rion

>2023 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
182x: Hololive
62x: Nijisanji
10x: Indie
5x: VSPO
4x: Neo Porte

>PER STREAMER
58x: Pekora
22x: Miko
17x: Marine
10x: Subaru
9x: Hololive, Nijisanji
8x: Toya
6x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Suisei
5x: Yashiro
4x: Chiroru, Fuwa, Hal, Iroha, Mio, Okayu, Shiina, Towa
3x: Leos, Lui, NeruMero, Koyori
2x: Aki, Flare, Fubuki, Hinano, Ibrahim, Korone, Lamy, Maimoto, Salome, Shion, Tsukasa, Watame
1x: Air, Ayame, Beni, Botan, Chloe, Choco, Fuwamoco, Gaku, Gura, Gundou, Hajime, Hibari, Himawari, Ina, Kaede, Kanade, Kanata, Kanato, Kiara, Kronii, Laplus, Lize, Mel, Mito, Mori, Mysta, Noel, Nose, Nozomi, Nui, Polka, Ponto, Qpi, Raden, Rikiichi, Rion, Roco, Ryushen

Wuffians... we didn't expect this, it's over

HoloEN is getting gigaculled.

>>59010271
This is because they don't have an avatar yet because Cover is stalling their growth. This is why you don't join a corpo

>>59011735
Ironically, Rissa will raid Shiori and keep her title as queen of reverse numbers.

>>59011735
>If Fauna didnt raid her this would be Nerissa's second 2k stream in a week
Jesus...

>>59011504
I unironically think Gura should hire or assign a staff to manage EN's schedule. To spread the buff and debuff stream more evenly.
In JP there will at least one buff thing every night. Coz they actually plan and assign their carriers.

Grim.

>>59011864
stop setting up a grudgepost holokek

>>59011817
Mori isn’t getting to 2k any time soon.

>>59011690
Waiting room mogging her

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL EN TALLY *
>9/20 DAILY TALLY
9,336: Shiori (Hololive)
8,753: FuwaMoco (Hololive)
7,961: Nerissa (Hololive)
7,880: Kiara (Hololive)
6,603: FuwaMoco (Hololive)
6,456: Mori (Hololive)


>EN GOLDS FOR SEPTEMBER 2023
1) Mumei (Hololive) - 21,874 - Unarchived Karaoke
2) Luca (Nijisanji) - 28,501 - NijiMelody Relay
3) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 12,142 - It Takes Two
4) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 11,690 - FuwaMoco Morning
5) Bijou (Hololive) - 11,307 - Elden Ring
6) Amelia (Hololive) - 26,831 - Outfit Reveal
7) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 15,476 - Advent Minecraft
8) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 10,735 - FuwaMoco Morning
9) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 21,257 - Advent Japanese Class
10) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 22,406 - Karaoke Stream
11) Gura (Hololive) - 37,393 - Outfit Reveal
12) Mori (Hololive) - 13,093 - Unarchived Karaoke
13) Ina (Hololive) - 16,524 - 3rd Anniversary
14) Gura (Hololive) - 26,610 - Myth Anniversary Uno
15) Gura (Hololive) - 21,335 - 3rd Anniversary
16) Kyo (Nijisanji) - 13,671 - 2.0 Debut
17) Fauna (Hololive) - 50,623 - 3D Showcase
18) Kronii (Hololive) - 58,935 - 3D Showcase
19) Mumei (Hololive) - 11,123 - WolfQuest
20) Shiori (Hololive) - 9,336 - Minecraft

>PER COMPANY
18x: Hololive
2x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
6x: FuwaMoco
3x: Gura
2x: Mumei
1x: Amelia, Bijou, Fauna, Ina, Kronii, Kyo, Luca, Mori, Shiori

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
50p: FuwaMoco
22p: Bijou
15p: Gura, Mumei
11p: Mori
8p: Amelia, Fauna
7p: Kronii
6p: Baelz
5p: Ina, Kyo, Luca, Shiori
3p: Enna, IRyS, Nerissa, Pomu, Sonny
1p: Kiara, Kotoka, Meloco

>>59011690
i kneel, she really is the gura of phase connect

>>59011750
I love her watchalongs and chatting streams, but at the same time I want her to grow. Please for the love of god Shiori at least play Minecraft. These numbers are depressing.

NijiEN gold?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZfAdZuaok

>>59011864
>flopping hard with the off collab
roru

>>59011864
chill. Niji numbers peak fast and drop fast

>>59011904
>Gura
what is your retarded point in this retarded post

>>59011932
So you admit you have no idea where she'll be peaking

Where is the tally yesterday?

>>59011950
>2023 EN GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
197x: Hololive
62x: Nijisanji
3x: Holostars
1x: Idol

>PER STREAMER
24x: Fauna, Gura
22x: Mori
20x: Mumei
17x: IRyS
15x: Ina
14x: Baelz, FuwaMoco, Kronii, Mysta
11x: Amelia
9x: Kiara, Vox
5x: Bijou
4x: Pomu, Selen, Shu
3x: Luca, Nerissa, Nina, Ren, Shiori
2x: Alban, Finana, Hololive English, Ike, Wilson
1x: Bandage, Enna, Elira, Flayon, Fulgur, Kyo, Luxiem, Millie, Petra, Regis, Roca, Rosemi, Sonny, Vesper

>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
230p: Fauna
172p: Mori
171p: Ina
161p: Mumei
159p: IRyS
135p: Baelz
132p: FuwaMoco
129p: Gura
108p: Kronii
105p: Mysta
93p: Kiara
91p: Amelia
74p: Vox
72p: Luca
57p: Bijou
37p: Shu
32p: Shiori
31p: Nerissa, Selen
28p: Pomu
24p: Nina
19p: Ike
18p: Enna
17p: Sonny
16p: Ren
15p: Fulgur
14p: Uki
13p: Finana, Millie
11p: Axel
10p: Alban, Elira, Hololive English, Wilson
9p: Vesper
7p: Kotoka, Regis
6p: Bandage, Kyo, Rosemi
5p: Flayon, Luxiem, Petra, Roca
4p: Bringer, Magni
3p: Bettel, Hakka, Poko
2p: Meloco
1p: Maria, Shinri, Pippa

>>59011932
How it is someone that hits #8 on such-and-such music billboard isn't popular enough to break 2k on her own? Isn't it a bit weird?

Most underrated Holo?

We might be in for a fun EN chase today numberchads:
Can the dogs do it?
Will the JPs show up?

>>59011985
>....he doesn't know

Another day nijikeks will take the L

>>59011690
which three?

>>59011750
>beating Bae and Mori with a public domain watchalong while 5 other ENs and a Moona karaoke stream against her
I think you're grasping at straws there.

>>59012005
The dwarf is dead

>>59011789
???

>>59011750
>Already beat Mori and Bae with a fucking watchalong, movie barely just began
do i though? do I gotta admit it? Or maybe you gotta admit your grim posting is retarded

>>59011864
You are asking to be grudge posted, silly anon.

Didn’t even know that collab was happening. Lol Nijisisters probably thought gold was in the bag

>notmagni and notvesper getting terrible numbers
>it means that smart homos will keep working for cover for that sweet 4view paycheck
sigh

>b-but it's a watchalong wahh wahh
She's literally showing the entire fucking thing on stream this should not be performing as bad as it does

>>59011957
Buy an Ad holokek

>>59012027
nobody wants to watch FF16 even SE themselves said it was a failure

>>59011594
this is cope, stop acting like this isn't their fault. they have an option to play buff games, getting decent numbers. but no, they refused. this shit numbers is on them, their fault.

>Doesn't collab with her senpais at all, no one invites her either
Is Shiori the IRyS of Advent?

>>59011652
>>59011796
>>59011864

So why do these suprise big number Niji streams always happen a day after a bunch of random streams have bot tests ran on them?

>>59011927
You said the same shit when I said they wouldn't beat Kyo 2.0, fag.

holy grim, this is worse than FWMC kusoge

>>59011296
Anon, the thing is that it isn't just simply "aren't hot". It's horrible compared to previous months. There are some clear viewership drops, not just a case of gradual viewership normalizing. If that isn't concerning, IDK what is.
Like, I can give Shiori a pass since hers is a watchalong. Heck, Bae's P5 series have been getting lower and lower numbers, too, so her 2k peak isn't a surprise either. Still, top HoloEN gaming live stream right now is at only 5k, and Mori barely escaped 3views range. Kronii is at 3.8k. That isn't the level you'd expect from HoloEN (heck, while it is still higher than NijiEN, the gap isn't as wide as it was even before Advent, much less last month).

>>59012038
Luna

her incline is slow but steady. Never get involved in shit like HTZL

>>59012038
Ame

>Holodrone relying on Japan to beat NijiEN
That stream doesn't count

>>59011926
Can we stop pretending flopvent was some kind of success now? Even fuwamoco is getting mogged into oblivion by mid council streams.

>>59012117
Based on what, anon?
What are the usual numbers for a watchalong of Rebecca the 1940's movies?

>>59012027
Have u seen SnoopDogg / T-Pain's twitch numbers?
Music popularity =/= livestream popularity

>>59012112
Shinri is a 4 view now let's gooo

>>59012097
Not happening, nobody cares about Fubuki

>>59012117
If it was popular film sure, but (you) and everyone else has never heard of Rebecca(1940)

>>59012038
Gura Gawr

>>59012129
>/#/ once again learning that the girls don't give a fuck for the CCV horserace at the end of the day

>>59012143
I mean its a watch along no?

>>59012120
go back nijibrony

>>59012143
What did her last watch along get? It was actually pretty fun

>>59011735
DORYAAAAAA

>>59012133
But IRyS will be at Fuu-tan stream today...
Well, joking asides, IRyS and Shiori aren't the same. but they do have some similarities

>>59012038
Mio

>>59012165
>I refuse to acknowledge debuff streams during overlap are a factor
>GRIIIIIIIM
Shut the fuck up already nigger. It's going to keep happening if they overlap with debuff content

>>59012117
Yeah I'm sure many people is interested in watching some random movie from 1940

>>59011787
>>59011861
>>59011950
>>59012023
Coma baker??

was it worth it?

>>59012183
NIJICOPE KEK
Everybody give it up for Nijicope

>>59012097
Grudge post against NijiEN
over non 3D or anniversary NijiEN stream

nijidrones... not like this...

>>59011458
I mean...

>>59012165
We saw this happen on Sunday with sportsball overlap too. Quit screaming that the sky is falling off of a sample size of one you braindead ape.

Why doesn't Shiori do a 1n1 collab outside of Advent?

> Nerissa is 800 viewers away from completely bleeding the raid
Can she do it?

>>59012312
Mori was always about
Sending A Message

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>53,912: Hajime (Hololive)
>31,015: Raden (Hololive)
>29,046: Botan (Hololive)
>28,796: Pekora (Hololive)
>28,748: Miko (Hololive)
>26,795: Subaru (Hololive)
>20,897: VOLTACTION (Nijisanji)
>19,558: Towa (Hololive)
>17,137: Koyori (Hololive)
>15,865: Ange (Nijisanji)
>15,169: Koyori (Hololive)
>14,929: Nose (VSPO)
>13,924: Botan (Hololive)
>13,249: Furen (Nijisanji)
>13,028: Calliope (Hololive)
>12,739: Nene (Hololive)
>12,399: Nose (VSPO)
>12,284: QueueTan (Indie)
>11,093: NeruMero (Indie)
>10,529: Korone (Hololive)

>>59012356
She said why on debut but you took that as her talking about homos.

>>59012361
GO RISSA GO

>>59012027
No?
>oh I really like this song so I’ll watch them playing FFXVI
The words of a lunatic.

>>59012370
And the message is... "I want to be a 3view."

>>59012370
and the message is
>don't piss off core viewers, they won't come back

>>59012344
SF chads hold on

>>59012372
>SEPTEMBER 2023 GOLDS
1) Aqua (Hololive) - 45,789 - Apex
2) Iroha (Hololive) - 64,229 - Outfit Reveal
3) Miko (Hololive) - 82,404 - Minecraft
4) Marine (Hololive) - 51,829 - Parasocial
5) Pekora (Hololive) - 48,521 - Armored Core 6
6) Subaru (Hololive) - 106,673 - Oozora Police Minecraft
7) Hololive (Hololive) - 63,855 - 6th Anniversary
8) Botan (Hololive) - 95,311 - Birthday Live
9) Kanade (Hololive) - 110,230 - Debut Stream
10) Raden (Hololive) - 129,772 - Debut Stream
11) Rion (Nijisanji) - 65,412 - Personality Test (w/ Mito, Kuzuha, Toya & others)
12) Hajime (Hololive) - 47,019 - Karaoke Stream
13) Hololive (Hololive) - 58,901 - Blue Journey
14) Chiroru (Indie) - 42,314 - Hanshin Tigers vs Yomiuri Giants
15) NeruMero (Indie) - 37,114 - Genshin Impact Update Watchalong
16) Lui (Hololive) - 33,478 - Outfit Reveal
17) Okayu (Hololive) - 80,549 - Minecraft (w/ Fubuki, Mio, Laplus, Lui)
18) Kronii (Hololive) - 58,935 - 3D Showcase
19) Subaru (Hololive) - 54,746 - SMOK Lie Detector
20) Miko (Hololive) - 41,305 - Soul Calibur 6
21) Hajime (Hololive) - 53,912 - Clubhouse Games 51 (w/ Raden)

>PER COMPANY
18x: Hololive
2x: Indie
1x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
2x: Hajime, Hololive, Miko, Subaru
1x: Aqua, Botan, Chiroru, Kanade, Iroha, Kronii, Lui, Marine, NeruMero, Okayu, Pekora, Raden, Rion

>2023 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
183x: Hololive
62x: Nijisanji
10x: Indie
5x: VSPO
4x: Neo Porte

>PER STREAMER
58x: Pekora
22x: Miko
17x: Marine
10x: Subaru
9x: Hololive, Nijisanji
8x: Toya
6x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Suisei
5x: Yashiro
4x: Chiroru, Fuwa, Hal, Iroha, Mio, Okayu, Shiina, Towa
3x: Leos, Lui, NeruMero, Koyori
2x: Aki, Flare, Fubuki, Hajime, Hinano, Ibrahim, Korone, Lamy, Maimoto, Salome, Shion, Tsukasa, Watame
1x: Air, Ayame, Beni, Botan, Chloe, Choco, Fuwamoco, Gaku, Gura, Gundou, Hibari, Himawari, Ina, Kaede, Kanade, Kanata, Kanato, Kiara, Kronii, Laplus, Lize, Mel, Mito, Mori, Mysta, Noel, Nose, Nozomi, Nui, Polka, Ponto, Qpi, Raden, Rikiichi, Rion, Roco, Ryushen

Remember yesterday when someone asked if the crippled should be deleted, I guess the Mandate of Heaven decided to grant NijiEN another life.
I wonder if that anon is still smug now.

>>59012027
Mori is not an entertaining streamer but she can write music and act cool for Japs.

>>59011926
Kronii mogging everyone in EN under heavy overlap.

It's a
>Fauna gets shit numbers not because everyone around her did worse no one is saying it
Rerun. Literally the worst rerun.

Gura flute song 2M GETTTTTTOOOO
2M DORRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>59012356
>Why doesn't Shiori do a 1n1 collab outside of Advent?
For someone who didn't do well in holotalk quiz, she should avoid things like Holocure and collab outside of Advent

>>59012312
Her success doesn't only come from ccv.

>>59012372
Botan was Z fix the damn tally.

Do you schizos have nothing to do but to larp as nijikeks and haters of some of the hologirls? You know you love the Blue Dorito as a whole anyways

>falsefaggot numberfagging about regloss in the new video, saying it's the weakest showing of from hololive, talking about subs purging and that ririka started her stream having 104k subs, but losing them during stream, dropping to 77k and wondering how many silver buttons she will get after surpassing 100k multiple times

>>59011874

>lazushite
>cumsidya
>peetherya
>cuxiem
>floptyx
>igoona
>keksoliel
>cry, sis
nijigrimji en folks

Bijou is a perma overlap detriment to the rest of the box. She'd have been a godsent solo but instead she won't allow the rest of Advent/Council to breathe

>>59012474
*sniiiffffff* ah, the smell of cuckbeat cope

>>59012452
Curry chan kakoi

* YESTERDAY’S FINAL EN TALLY *
>9/21 DAILY TALLY
13,028: Mori (Hololive)
9,701: Fauna (Hololive)
9,163: Kronii (Hololive)
8,604: Mumei (Hololive)
8,025: Bijou (Hololive)
7,825: Fauna (Hololive)
5,468: Bijou (Hololive)
5,028: Ina (Hololive)


>EN GOLDS FOR SEPTEMBER 2023
1) Mumei (Hololive) - 21,874 - Unarchived Karaoke
2) Luca (Nijisanji) - 28,501 - NijiMelody Relay
3) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 12,142 - It Takes Two
4) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 11,690 - FuwaMoco Morning
5) Bijou (Hololive) - 11,307 - Elden Ring
6) Amelia (Hololive) - 26,831 - Outfit Reveal
7) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 15,476 - Advent Minecraft
8) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 10,735 - FuwaMoco Morning
9) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 21,257 - Advent Japanese Class
10) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 22,406 - Karaoke Stream
11) Gura (Hololive) - 37,393 - Outfit Reveal
12) Mori (Hololive) - 13,093 - Unarchived Karaoke
13) Ina (Hololive) - 16,524 - 3rd Anniversary
14) Gura (Hololive) - 26,610 - Myth Anniversary Uno
15) Gura (Hololive) - 21,335 - 3rd Anniversary
16) Kyo (Nijisanji) - 13,671 - 2.0 Debut
17) Fauna (Hololive) - 50,623 - 3D Showcase
18) Kronii (Hololive) - 58,935 - 3D Showcase
19) Mumei (Hololive) - 11,123 - WolfQuest
20) Shiori (Hololive) - 9,336 - Minecraft
21) Mori (Hololive) - 13,029 - Super Smash Bros (w/ FuwaMoco)

>PER COMPANY
19x: Hololive
2x: Nijisanji

>PER STREAMER
6x: FuwaMoco
3x: Gura
2x: Mori, Mumei
1x: Amelia, Bijou, Fauna, Ina, Kronii, Kyo, Luca, Shiori

>POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
50p: FuwaMoco
22p: Bijou
16p: Mori
15p: Gura, Mumei
11p: Fauna
8p: Amelia, Kronii
6p: Baelz
5p: Ina, Kyo, Luca, Shiori
3p: Enna, IRyS, Nerissa, Pomu, Sonny
1p: Kiara, Kotoka, Meloco

>>59012296
Content choice is part of a streamer. If they are picking shitty games that no one want to watch, it's on them. "Debuff contents" is good explanation for low numbers, but not a good excuse for those.

>>59012459
Hi ennasis

Shiori is likeable

>>59012370
>plays game she likes that gets bad numbers
>SHE’S DOING IT TO SPITE ME SPECIFICALLY

>>59012038
Korone easily

Grimgang making a comeback is the most kino /vt/ storyline in 2023

>Mori 1.2k
2M subs btw

>>59012398
She's going to collab with Flayon because he's her type vice versa. It will be so cute

Ahh the good ol' nijiworm, right after a night of bot tests

>>59012038
I feel like /#/ and global never appreciate Noel.

GO SHIORI GO PASS THE BIRD

>>59012551
>plays good games on her rm

nijibots...

>>59012551
Now this is cope racing.

>>59012038

>>59012459
>trying to make Gura vs Irys
Huh? Chumbud here, they were never in the same tier, what kind of shitposting is this?

>>59012549
sadly, her voice is not. my wife supports her though so i love her anyways

Congrats to Shiori for passing Pippa. Mori and Bae are still below her.

>>59012551
so you think Mori is spiting you huh

>>59012452
Japs have the shittiest taste today, no wonder Jap companies are already seeking international approval instead of their own dying market

>>59012038
Bae.

>>59012038
anya

>>59012629
It's the aloushit seething at IRyS again

>>59012542
>2023 EN GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
198x: Hololive
62x: Nijisanji
3x: Holostars
1x: Idol

>PER STREAMER
24x: Fauna, Gura
23x: Mori
20x: Mumei
17x: IRyS
15x: Ina
14x: Baelz, FuwaMoco, Kronii, Mysta
11x: Amelia
9x: Kiara, Vox
5x: Bijou
4x: Pomu, Selen, Shu
3x: Luca, Nerissa, Nina, Ren, Shiori
2x: Alban, Finana, Hololive English, Ike, Wilson
1x: Bandage, Enna, Elira, Flayon, Fulgur, Kyo, Luxiem, Millie, Petra, Regis, Roca, Rosemi, Sonny, Vesper

>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)
233p: Fauna
177p: Mori
171p: Ina
161p: Mumei
159p: IRyS
135p: Baelz
132p: FuwaMoco
129p: Gura
109p: Kronii
105p: Mysta
93p: Kiara
91p: Amelia
74p: Vox
72p: Luca
57p: Bijou
37p: Shu
32p: Shiori
31p: Nerissa, Selen
28p: Pomu
24p: Nina
19p: Ike
18p: Enna
17p: Sonny
16p: Ren
15p: Fulgur
14p: Uki
13p: Finana, Millie
11p: Axel
10p: Alban, Elira, Hololive English, Wilson
9p: Vesper
7p: Kotoka, Regis
6p: Bandage, Kyo, Rosemi
5p: Flayon, Luxiem, Petra, Roca
4p: Bringer, Magni
3p: Bettel, Hakka, Poko
2p: Meloco
1p: Maria, Shinri, Pippa

>>59012312

>>59012526
Even if Bijou wasn't streaming, there's still 7 streams going on at once.
In fact, good on Bijou for actually staying above 5k with so much overlap
Until the dogs are online.

>>59012598
I too can lie.

>>59012526
Anything less than mega buff pulverizes her… even a normal buff isn’t enough from the look of things. If Fauna or Mumei stream in the same slot, Bijou will lose

>>59012559
Hologamers is underrated in general

>>59012610
Why not post an images of just IRyS? Fauna is overrated trash

>>59012565
Two more weeks?

>>59012560
Pink woman
Orange woman

simple as

I clicked Shiori's stream out of curiosity and lmao I really thought we had to download the movie, not alerting people that this is a public domain night works as a debuff

>>59012097
Anon, feel free to grudgepost me, but there is no way FWMC + FBK collab will break 14k (which will probably be Noctyx's peak judging by their current growth rate, assuming no raid)

>>59011953
i really like her talking on another tab, she just never streams anything actually worth watching on screen

>>59012356
To make you mad

>>59012038
>Most underrated Holo?

>>59012672
>I too can lie
I can see it, we both know what we are talking about

>>59012218
>>59012428
ado easily gets 40k streaming whatever

>>59012670
Which wouldn't be happening if they knew to structure their streams. For all the glazing this thread gives Koyori, most HoloJP knows to do 2-3 hour streams in various timeslots and let the others breathe.

>>59012454
Fauna could get 4k and people ITT would perks cope about it.

>>59012735
4K doryaaa

>>59012735
>judging by their current growth rate
You mean by how much dosh you're willing to spend on bots?

>>59012559
Nah Korone is being highly praised here

>>59012446
20 - 12 rn

Holos that lose to Pippa should be graduated

>>59012559
Hell no, her vod views are first army tier
Okayu is a better answer

>>59012726
Thanks. I didn't know that

>>59012038
most of them are overrated you have like 10 actual good girls doing all the heavy lifting across all the branches

>>59012703
Just look at Kronii, Ame, Mumei, Ina and IRyS, it will only be a matter of time

>>59012372
Is Hajime the ace of Regloss? I thought she was behind Raden.

>>59012526
It's the Bitchjew way

>>59012575
>I feel like /#/ and global never appreciate Noel.
????
WDYM
Anons always post stuff about Noel

>>59012813
kneel to the yabbit

>>59012656
What are her best streams?

>>59012570
Stop noticing things anon

>>59012853

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN3XthX1i2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85ADSyMfukM
Man looking back at some old nnd medleys and hearing familiar voices makes you realize how stupid the "oh no no she interacted with a male! im melting down!" attitude is.

>>59012735
Even if Noctyx gets a win, it doesn't matter since the market is still Hololive-heavy. NijiEN barely gets any scrap while HoloEN is everywhere in the weeb world.

>>59012451
>full wave offcollab of the 2nd most popular wave
>11k
>might still lose to Dogs Fubuki collab or FWMC Morning
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for keeping the tally. I think more people are interested in which EN wins than competition with whats left of Niji at any rate.

>>59012038
Luna, Noel, Polka, Mio, and especially Marine. A lot of people think she's popular just because she panders to coomer (which is true), but she's also very politically savvy and knows which button to push with upper management to get her projects followed through. She's also quick to catch onto trends as well.
I hope she sticks around as Cover's content director after her graduation, or at least Cover should just throw her a blank check to get her to stay.

Real talk, I hate the current EN atmosphere.

>>59012670
>Even if Bijou wasn't streaming, there's still 7 streams going on at once.
I only count 5, anon?

>>59012853
For now, definitely, give it a month before we make proclamations though

Expect HoloEN to get grim numbers until October.

>>59012481
No one even mentioned Regloss.

>>59012778
If you look at that graph and cry bots, you must be either shitposting or retarded

>>59012945
>seething homobeggar

>>59012963
Funny how people made fun of Grimgang after Advent, but we're back even stronger than before

>>59012945
Raid atmosphere?

>>59012481
RIRIKA LOVE!

Is 18k HoloEN box considered to be grim?

>>59012923
FWMC morning ain't fucking shit dude where have you been

>>59011883
It turns out that no one wants to watch someone whose entire personality boils down to KIARA, yuri and sex jokes.

>>59013037
>worming
>right after a night of bot tests
>not botted
roru roru rumao

Bros,,,Shiori is roleplaying as my student and me her professor. A scandalous love,,,,
God I fucking hate FE Three Houses so much

>>59012945
>Hangs out in the most judgemental thread on Vtubers on the internet
>’Oh mY gOsH uR sO tOxIc’

So many bot testings for mumei's 3d kek

>>59012889
death stranding series

>>59012945
Why’s that? Personally it’s the best it’s been for years.

>>59012740
She should just do Minecraft at least once a week. She seemed to be decent at building, and it gives her plenty of things she can tangent on.

>>59012944
Nerissa/Moona/Kronii/Bae/Shiori/Mori
Six, you're both wrong.
Unless that Anya private video somehow counts then seven.

>>59012757
They don't care. Never have. Never will. Just deal with it.

>>59013079
Probably living under a rock, HoloEN is extremely weak as fuck right now with 5 people streaming

ENdwarves should be suspended from posting until next week

>>59011766
Looks like a nijisanji graph

>>59013160
So true, sis.

Mori has been streaming for half an hour and she still has not hit 2k, and is still under Pippa.

>>59013129
I do like 3H for what it is (a second rate persona) but Engage is the true FE experience.

>>59013064
for this many streams yes
the content is fucking shit today
and bibo just fuckinghate to stream for short.

>>59012853
Banchou is good at structuring her content and making mini arc. She's only got detrimental by her shit internet.

>>59013218
This but tallydwarf until he fixes the damn podium

>>59013064
Its the worst it's been for quite some time.
Everyone just collectively decided to overlap eachother with debuff streams today

>>59013050
Wait for the day to end mr grimtard

>>59012889
Bioshock Infinite marathon

I JUST SAW A JP BRO IN SHIORI STREAM AIN'T NO WAY

>>59013247
i still undersatnd why she and bae just fucking keep crashing at this time.

The waiting room recovery will be brutal

>>59013114
Are we looking at the same graph? No one sane would call that worming. Try to put that and Luxiem's worm graph a year or two ago next to each other and tell me where the similarities are.

>>59013288
The last level is pure sufferkino

>>59013287
The day is just starting my guy. None of the other timezones matters, except SEA time

Gura will be back this weekend with another song release, screencap this

It's kind of like watching a movie with a sign language person but they're just talking instead of signing

>>59013166
>it’s the best it’s been for years.
This.
Advent course corrected and rebooted EN branch.

>>59013255
>but Engage is the true FE experience.
retard.

Got curious and looked up Sana's numbers around two months in for reference

Even if Cover debuts EN4 or EN5, the grim will never leave. HoloEN is just a walking corpse propped up by a reclining Myth.

>>59012753
>just making shit up now
The last time she touched her rm for streaming was shilling some mediocre phone game.

5k

>>59013189
Moona isn't EN, why is she counted against HoloEN box? If a JP was streaming, would you count them, too?

Where the fuck is debuffson with the steel chair
Actual overlap hell and she's missing her chance

>>59013430
Imagine being runtier than Sana lmao

>>59013430
looks like current fuwamoco numbers

>>59013333
Yeah that's totally a smooth incline. It may not be as severe as the old chinkbots but it's still worming.

>>59013487
>moona
>id fans
rumao
only zeta and kobo have a sizeable id fanbase

>>59013430
Minecraft buff was so crazy back then

lol why is FuwaMoco waiting room mogging shiori actual stream?

>>59013372
>Gura will be back this weekend with another song release, screencap this
Say no more nigga

What a coincidence, the one day there's overlap at her timeslot and the numberfag owl doesn't stream because she won't get raids and funnels
LOLLLLLLLL

>>59013487
Retard

>>59012756
AAAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE ADOBROS

>>59013557
Their waiting room is mogging everyone.

>>59012194
>1 month vs 2 years
I can't believe more people would watch the longer established talents!

Back in 2020, would you have believed me these would be the numbers for holoEN?
Only Fauna has managed to incline and remain relevant while everyone else stagnated and fell, even advent (sans FWMC) can't stand up to Fauna.

>>59013489
Ame with a SC stream right now would still have a higher CCV than Mori funnily enough.

Yikes Holoens numbers are really low today

Will todays fuwamoco collab beat the Mori one?

Sisters are getting a grim amount of attention and (You)'s

>>59013556
it could be again if these lazy shits started working on a project.

Jesus christ this goth whore needs to shut up I'm trying to watch a movie

>all this grimposting
Go on, get it out of your system, 20 mins left

>>59011766
Saplings don't care about anyone but fauna (just like takos don't care about anyone but ina). She shouldn't raid other members unless she wants to sabotage them in the algorithm.

>>59013617
>timelooping 2020 except not joking.
Time to come out of the coma, Anon.

>>59013640
depends if it's in japanese or english

>>59013557
HoloK9 sneak peak

Hypothetically if you got your hands on the youtube curator that culls holos what would you do to them?

>>59013617
Fauna abuses bots while everyone else don’t

>>59013651
They're worried about Microsoft fucking them over, probably. I would be, with the way they're acting.

Is this mori's lowest viewed stream ever?

has this thread finally come to the realization about market difference between regions yet between english and japanese viewers and how many are willing to watch vtubers or are both regions still being compared to eachother.

>>59013642
homowhore

>>59013697
rape correction

>Noctyx bait
>Pippa bait
>Ironmous bait
>JP bait
Damn, it's like an all-star bait buffet in here. Why does it happen today and not yesterday?

>>59013617
>Back in 2020, would you have believed me these would be the numbers for holoEN?
Here let me pretend to be from 2020: what the fuck is Council? Advent? Huh? Damn Mori only 1.5k is she having itnernet issues?
Anyway Kiara 1.8k superchat reading huh? Seems like things are still completely normal, Mori must be having internet issues to be that low.

I’m actually not watching any EN streams right now. Too tired.

>>59013658
kek, she can't that's her superpower

>>59013659
I only watch HoloEN so not for me

>>59013539
Anon, if that tiny drop is enough to be considered "worming", you might find many normal Holo graphs "worming", too

>>59013659
Friend is about to beat the shit our of the Grim.

>>59012112
Not until Mr. Jap stop giving them funds

So HoloK9 >>>>>>>>>> Holotori?
>FWMCO + Fubuki
>Nerissa + Lui

>>59013617
If you showed me this in 2020 I’d ask who the fuck is Ceres Fauna or Koseki Bijou.

>>59013430
That was when
- fans thought Council would make EN branch rise, EN finally has their kouhais, things would get interesting (but it was nightmare
- EN branch was not infested by homos
- EN branch was not in despair mode

The prospect of EN branch was good. But it was heavily sabotaged over the years. Advent has to heal all the past mistakes and start things from a low foundation point

>>59013697
I'd find the fucker that gave me a 24 hour ban for saying the shitheel nigger trolling in Japan needs to be kicked out instead.

>>59013746
sisters feeling very bold today with their Portuguese help

>>59013763
*fuwamoco
ftfy fubucuck

>>59013659
Grimniggers always LOSE

>>59013642
Peroperoperoperopero

>>59013762
Go ahead and find some Holographs that look like that

>>59013776
I mean the waiting room is already getting very close to nerissa and lui peak

Bijou mogged, again

>>59013809
Exactly. Advent has to struggle through the shit Council put EN through, it's going to be a tough climb. Even worse if the dogs abandon EN for JP

>>59013809
>sabotaged
Oh please, they did it to themselves

>>59013762
The collab is obviously botted. There wasn't even really a waiting room drop with a supposedly 4k waiting room.
Even JPs have some amount of drop and recovery period even if it's small.

>>59013617
MOMMY IS INCLINING
GOD I LOVE MOMMY SO MUCH

>>59013850
That's FBKING-SAMA to you sister

>>59013869
Streams doko?

>shiori beating fucking bae and mori with a wtachalong
i dont understand how they can drag this games for so fucking long
just for context bae started p5r IN FUCKING NOVEMBER

>>59013776
No one in Holotori is even a second army there, it's a massacre

ENbros thought on Azki?

CAM ON MORI GET THAT 2K

>>59013905
Not gonna talk about the rest of the sub 4k shitters though eh?

>>59013917
>if
already happening

>>59013981
with rpgs EN are definitely too slow, like playing the same game 4 or 5 days in a row is some type of crazy thing

so excited for Moom 3D bros

>>59013697
Absolute rape correction, then force the culls to be put onto niji instead.

Do you think Jap is in here seething at all the grim HoloEN talk? Imagine him typing furiously at some anons

>>59013659
Grimposting only applies to EN. JP (sans regloss) is doing better than ever. What you just posted in a JP stream with primarily JP viewers, so it doesn't detract from any of the grimposting done thus far.

>>59013617
GRIMchads we're eating good

>>59014008
>mori, bae
no one cares even if these two SHOULD start caring.

Kronii doesn't raid, but accepts raids now. I wish she turned raids off.

>>59013988
Perfect for Netorare with kokujins

>>59013988
I like her, great redesign, need to either do more variety or collabs

>Moona ends
>All of EN views go up
Who the FUCK said Moona doesn't overlap with EN. Someone make a comparison graph right now with her on it.

>>59013812
at least he got his ugly face fucked up

>>59014084
Botted 3D

Ruffians kind of remind me of saplings

All these bitches should raid FWMC when it starts (except Shiori, finish the movie)
>We love raids here

mumei and kronii's numbers 2-3 months in

>>59013762
Why are you replying seriously to the botloopers

>>59013659
damn, this is huge

>>59013988
Eh forgot she existed

>>59014071
they dont need to play it all week
just play it on weekends like jp do.
it wont make them get numebrs but will soft the blow at least.
Start in the afternoon too rather than starting them in fucking JP prime time.

>>59013881
https://vrabi.net/video/wYmFilsWEyo
Took me less than 5 minutes looking through yesterday streams

How many more times can Fauna play hitman before you get tired of that trash?

>>59013917
>. Advent has to struggle through the shit Council put EN through,
how are you fags STILL blaming Council for everything?

>>59013988
LOVE HER

>>59014147
that was fauna’s…and they couldn’t beat kronoi

>>59012296
I really think we need EN4 before the year end.

>>59014185
20k Kronii minecraft...home

>>59014140
>Who the FUCK said Moona doesn't overlap with EN
Someone with brain damage. A popular singer doing karaoke absolutely draws tourists from outside their normal box.

COME ON SHIORIN DO IIIIT

>>59014111
>Do you think Jap is in here seething at all the grim HoloEN talk? Imagine him typing furiously at some anons
Dimitri Jap is the anon complaining about phasejanny KEK

>>59014185
>amongus
>devour
>a way out
i just want girls to play buff shit again.

>>59013659
wtf I thought this is in 12 hours not now

>>59014174
>raiding a jp stream

>>59014185
These 2 were way bigger than current advent. The other 3 councils are a different story

>>59014225
I give it another 20 times.

Mori and Bae’s views are flatlined, so no beating Pippa until the overlaps end at least. Mori is extra grim, being under 2k for 50 minutes now.

>>59014140
>Who the FUCK said Moona doesn't overlap with EN
sisters or retards

>>59014221
That's not even remotely similar. Were you hoping that I would just take your word for it and not click the link? Is that why you didn't post the picture?

>>59014185
>3 watchalongs in a row + Zelda spam
Was mumei ogey?

>>59014304
>finally have more than 4 people available
>no big collabs
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
just make ame a collab manager she doesnt stream anyway.

>>59014174
It will get 10k effortlessly because of Fubuki sorry not sorry

>>59014185
anon, >we can't use pre-tempus numbers for comparison
tempus era removed almost half of the en viewership

>>59013981
Bae’s a variety streamer and P5R is both her first big RPG and a game she grew to love. She’s usually too busy to burn through the whole game, so she treats it like Fauna’s Tree in Minecraft.

>>59014185
It's easy to forget how much bigger HoloEN used to be in general. It's pretty insane to lose two-thirds of your fans. And it's even more insane when people try and pretend that didn't happen and that you're crazy for noticing how much the numbers have fallen. Some people are just willfully ignorant to the truth.

Who's roommate of Advent had a bigger CCV? Was it Biboo? Who had a big leap in incline as a streamer?

>>59012312
a shame she dislikes the whole vtuber concept

JWU. Mori really puts into perspective how well Ina was doing with Final Fantasy.

>>59014431
blame management for making Councils 3d spread across a month for some stupid reason

>6.9k waiting for FWMCFBK
nice.

>>59014429
It's a first time collab with a JP senpai in somewhat friendly JP times.
They might even get 20k.

>>59014422
mumei usual content is garbage
she not straming a lot helps her not doing that shit.

>>59014422
No, mumei was retarded back then

>>59014431
With how busy everyone is, doing a big collab needs some background planning though

>>59013988
>ENbros thought on Azki?
GRIM

>>59014140
Looks more like Kronii's collab ending to me

>>59014429
They got almost 11k playing it on their own

>>59014431
>Ame
>organising shit outside of events
LOL
LMAO

>>59014465
No, some people are just fucking tired of you niggers. We all fucking know its not as big as it used to be but this seems to always be news to you
>wtf Gura sub 20k stream!
>oh em gee in 2021 Covid times the numbers were like, way bigger
How many years does it take for you to fuck off already and consider this normal?

>>59014499
Nice 5k stream once everyone gets filtered due to the language they use

>>59013809
>Advent has to heal all the past mistakes and start things from a low foundation point
>tied to the hips with takamori
>spamming the debuffest shit on heart
yeah golden gen am i right

>>59014470
none of advents roomates had big ccv. highest was early shiori in 2018-19. had a few 4 view streams

>>59014234
Sana, the first holo who speedrun'd her contract, by her own will.
In the Second gen of a branch nonetheless.

Sana demonstrated holo contracts could be speedrun'd. How do you think this impacts the the future recruitment and growth of EN branch?
Kronii doesn't even like Hololive. The recruitment process was very faulty.

>>59014475
ina - known ff autist
mori - bandwagon hopping thinking ff is a good stream game

>>59014554
Wtf is that language

>>59014185
20k karaokes..
well, still pretty impressive Mumei still managed to get average 15k karaokes while Kronii plummeted to 10k

>>59014452
>Bae’s a variety streamer
and fails at it

>is both her first big RPG and a game she grew to love
and still took her 10 fucking months to even raech the end of the base game.
TEN FUCKING MONTHS. no hololive series is ever this long. By the time she is finishing this subaru has already played p4,p5 and could easily finish p3 and maybe one yakuza game.

>>59014576
But at least they stream everyday

>>59014431
She wants homos to join so no

>>59014465
The novelty wore off. Normal fags expected them to collab with Pewdiepie or Pokimane by now, but Hololive EN just stayed in their own little bubble for years and became a cult.

>>59013430
>Grim
>Minecraft 10k+ stream
>Grim
>Grim

Honestly it's good to see that basically nothings changed

>>59014608
Rangeban SEA when

>>59014525
>With how busy everyone is
DOING FUCKING WHAT
they all are at home.

>>59014554
why are you larping as a flip lol

>>59014575
If you think they're not hitting 15k+ you're insane. It's literally built for JP numbers.

>>59014576
>yeah golden gen am i right
big mistake. Advent is the miracle gen of EN (besides Myth of course

Advent changed the timeline of EN branch. No one can deny that.

>>59013981
Absolutely agree. No one wants to stick around for a playthrough that takes almost an entire YEAR
Subaru's playthroughs for this stuff should be the gold standard. Just bang that shit out over a month or two and move on

MORI 2K DORYAAAAAAA

>>59014596
Sure BUT HOW ARE YOU BLAMING COUNCIL FOR HOW IT IS CURRENTLY
Advent debuted to a whopping 100k people, the first 2 got the fucking red carpet treatment by having an entire whole ass relay leading up to their debuts. And yet here you are going "well it's still council's fault everything got fumbled" despite the fact that 4/5 of the girls are actually not capitalizing on anything are playing genuine fucking trash on the day to day. How is this Council's fault that Nerissa is spamming story of seasons or other niche garbage? H ow is it Council's fault FWMC is spamming VNs? How is it Council's fault Shiori barely fucking plays games?

>>59014687
>thread activity drops to all time low
please take me back to pre tempus era # speed

>>59014600
That doesn’t explain the huge difference. Most viewers don’t care about that. Mori just has an awful floor compared to Ina and you can see that across many different games.

>>59014140
Indogs who believed they have their own ID box

>>59012473
Tallyanon doesn't really care that much about fixing Zs unless it's the top stream of the day.

>>59014413
Do you know wtf "worm pattern" is? It's the repeat of
>viewership grows, drops, then grows again
Look at that chart until it peaked and tell me if it wasn't even bigger worm than Noctyx collab
(Realistically, though, neither of them are considered "worming". You need several drops + grows for a stream graph to be seriously considered such)

toko mogged

Alright Grimshits you had your fun. Now start cope posting with
>i-it doesn't count Fubuki is in the collab!
>aieee speak EN!

>>59013430
Advent is getting close to this

>>59014618
Bae’s busier than Subaru by a longshot.
Also I have no clue what you mean by failing as a variety streamer.

>>59014704
5 more streamers changed the timeline of EN branch, and >we only got 4 channels in the end.

There were already toydogs during the 1940?!!!

>>59014799
we love FBK here

>>59014773
yeah but mori really likes to drag debuff shit and play debuff shit even more than ina.
remember earthbound streams? i dont and most still dont for a reason, nobody watched them.

YOU ARE MY FRIEND AAAAAAAAAAA

>>59014422
Mumei just loves doing watchalongs. She still does a ton of them she just learned to do it behind members now

Will the zhangs try to raid the dogs' chat or have they stopped doing that?

>>59014600
>>59014475
Nigga Ina actually managed to dodge Fauna frequently when playing FFXVI, the one time she didn't she nearly hit her all time fucking CCV low

Kiara...

>>59014422
Mumei probably has like the biggest floor ceiling difference of any EN. Her numbers have always been mid tier when playing debuff/niche stuff or when under overlap.

BAU BAU

>>59014554
Stop pretending to be a flip. No one sets their system language to Tagalog even in flipland.

Time to eat dinner

>>59014208
>ENs streaming from noon on weekend for endurance streams
thats the dream

>>59014807
>Also I have no clue what you mean by failing as a variety streamer.
she gets shit numbers doing variety most of the time.
>Bae’s busier than Subaru by a longshot.
this is fucking bait so good bye

>>59014823
>he doesn't know what's it like pre Advent

>>59014870

i really hope fwmc don't do their usual too scared to play shit. they could hit 20k if they play like normal human beings