/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>58880525
LordAethelstan, he has a majority male audience and female gachis and unicorns get filtered by the fact he has a girlfriend.

vinny and the other vinesauce streamers content are the closest to hololive without being hololive

>>58880525
Because if you wanted to do that you wouldn't use a vtuber model.

>>58880671
I don't want my bro whispering in my ear, thanks

>>58880525
Because you think making dick jokes is fujobait despite Vinny also doing it

>>58880671
isn't he only famous for fucking nyanners? was he ever a relevant "brotuber" before they announced it?

You can't find them because you don't know japanese. SAD!

>>58881204
>isn't he only famous for fucking nyanners
Do you need your chuuba to be famous?

>>58880525
the real redpill is that vinny has been the brotuber all along.
just imagine a mushroom lad in the corner or something

>>58880770
maybe it wasn't a coincidence they're the only streamers I like

Randon

>>58881105
The “men” on this site don’t have male friends or they would understand this.

>>58881922

Yeah theyre musicians with similar tastes in game content, though vinny is completely estranged from nearly all anime and anime-adjacent shit

take the indiepill

>>58882293
Pretty much every male indie 2view is a brotuber, but whether or not they're entertaining is another question. Finding good 2views is hard work, but it's rewarding because you can actually have conversations with them.

>>58880525
>male hag that doesn't want children or to marry

>>58882601
he's basically married to chat and they're his children at the same time, quantum bullshit

>>58880525
for me it's watto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqIMVwY1Jn8

You would have to be fucked in the head if you want to be a male vtuber with a male audience. Unlike women, you can be the ugliest motherfucker irl and males will watch you as long as you're funny. The opposite happens if you're a vtuber. Since you're larping as a bishie, only women will watch you in the same way males will watch female streamers. If you want the bro audience, the vtuber model is actually a debuff unless you look like Goku

The fate of all brotubers is to become either living parodies of themselves or Opie & Anthony clones.

>>58880525
Vinny is a vtuber though

>>58881204
He was 2.5K before that which about where he is now. IDK if I'd recommend him as a brotuber though because his GF invades his stream pretty frequently.

>>58880770
>>58881922
The Vinny, Jerma, and Northernlion Streamer trees account for like 80% of all EN Industry vtubers
>>58882085
Vinny DOES like slime girls though

>>58880671
I want to like him cause sometimes he is funny, but I don't know, something about him is annoying. Also his model looks stupid.

>>58880525
This >>58880671
Though almost every 2view male is a "brotuber". You probs haven't heard of them because noone here watches them.

>>58881794
Yes, it mean she/he have the charisma to gather an audience. It's like asking a man off the street to fix your car and hope he can vs asking a certified mechanic and knowing he will very likely be able to fix it.

>>58880525
I don't think there will ever be a noticeable one real one in EN that isn't a 1view, Vox success poisoned the well so to speak for male vtubers, his formula is too well entrenched, when people hear "EN male vtuber" they expect that.
Maybe if some standard bro streamer gets tricked into becoming a vtuber it could happen but I doubt it.

>>58882411
>Pretty much every male indie 2view is a brotuber
Not really, a lot of them are soft spoken fuckboys.

Because vtubers are anime characters not ugly neckbeards

>>58880525
Because hetero men with even a minimum of testosterone don't become vtubers.

>>58881105
The difference is Vinny's dick jokes aren't fujo/fagbait while literally every single time a male vtuber makes a dick joke it's absolutely 100% fujo/fagbait.

>>58883441

So many vtubers cite the bald one as being their inspiration

>>58882411
>Pretty much every male indie 2view is a brotuber
Man, you faggots really only watch Hololive huh. The 0views are the brotubers. Any male indie with viewers is some twink playing Genshin Impact

>>58888309
which is so funny to me because the man has zero interest in vtubers and dislikes anime.

>>58880525
half this board would be filtered by grey leno

>>58883040
I think a male brotuber would work but the model can't be anime
It has to be something silly and funny

>"I want a brotuber! I'm tired of watching whores!!!"
>Is presented with funny dudes being silly and not gaybaiting or being babiniku
>"EEEWWW why would I watch a generic dude?! I can just watch my favorite fleshtuber like xqc or Adin Ross!!! Gimme cute anime girls!!!"

>>58888559
your favorite tubers favorite tuber

>>58880525
Because you can already watch Joel or Vinny without them using a faggot anime guy avatar. This is why male vtubing is trash. If you actually enjoy the male streamer in question, he doesn't NEED an avatar he just needs to be himself and do what he does.

I watch calebhart, distortion2, joel, vinny and some other smaller male streamers on twitch and I cannot fucking imagine them using an avatar or what it would possibly bring to the stream and community. There's no point to it, it's a gimmick. Females get away with it because it's basically an unspoken rule that if your'e a female vtuber you're doing it to get money from male viewers and that's the entirety of your existence, no one watches for your "content" or your gaming skills.

>>58880525
Is funny how other people already suggested to Vinny that he should become a vtuber and he always answer something like "I don't need it/ Is not something I'm interested in/ I like just having my voice on stream", good males just don't find vtubing appealing

>>58888265
Anon you might be absolutely 100% retarded

>>58889250
Faulty logic. You like those people because they're entertaining. So what would you do if you found a male vtuber just as entertaining as those fleshtubers you mentioned? Your entire worldview would just crumble.

>>58880525
You dont need a vtuber model for that, brotubers are nerfed by their models, they would do way better as fleshtubers

Why isn't there a proper brotuber duo like them?

>>58888758
Yep, this is the secret. Vedal gets a huge charisma buff from his cute little turtle

>>58889250
Why does Distortion NEED some faggot fleshtuber camera? What does his face bring to the stream and community?

People won't ever click on male vtubers streams because the average guy doesn't want to look at some ikemen, you have more chances at success just by being a random voice without face than having a male vtuber model

>>58889688
>you have more chances at success just by being a random voice without face than having a male vtuber model
I don't know about that one, chief

>>58890830
Anon no shit....looking at the big picture there's a lot of no cam 1 view streamers there's more normal streamers in the world than vtubers, but compared to male vtubers that "made it" there's way more normal male streamers that achieved success

>>58889548
Game Grumps is my guilty pleasure. I'm honestly surprised they haven't exploded yet.

>>58889301
He’s 100% right though. You’re so dug into /vt/ shit that you can’t even think clearly about what that anon is actually saying
Streamers like Vinny and others similar to him have a completely different intent behind their remarks, specifically certain jokes, made on stream. They’re playing to completely different audiences with different demographics. This is made super clear when you realize Vinny was some fag spamming to advertise his streams on /v/. He’s never cultivated a fujoshi audience
Contrast that with Vtubers. Vtubers are VERY aware of the specific, niche audiences they have. They play into certain ship dynamics all the time to make their target audiences happy. This includes make sexualized jokes or jokingly flirting towards other VTubers

>>58888309
>the bald one
that doesn't narrow it down

>>58888919
>Is presented with funny dudes being silly and not gaybaiting or being babiniku
More like "a regular dude who speaks up once a minute and can't make a joke to save his life". THAT is what a generic dude is. Actually funny guy streamers are as rare as funny girl streamers but at least girls try to speak.

>>58891475
yes, but that's not inherent to vtubers. you could have ones that act the same as fleshstreamers.

>>58892019
>you could have ones that act the same as fleshstreamers.
Where are those VTubers that act the same then?

>>58880525
because male vtubing is fucking gay. that's the punchline. the end

>>58891161
>but compared to male vtubers that "made it" there's way more normal male streamers that achieved success
Anon no shit. Most of the male streamers that "made it" have streamed for years. Vinny for example has been active for 13 years while veteran Western male vtubers have been active for maybe 3 years at best. It's a fact that being a vtuber with a half decent model is easy viewers.
>>58891475
>You’re so dug into /vt/ shit that you can’t even think clearly
>regurgitates /vt/ shit
Not everyone is catering to coomers. Some people just have juvenile humor. Some fleshstreamers pander to fujos, like Hasan, Sykkuno, and Ludwig, some vtubers just like peepeepoopoo jokes, like Axel.

go back

>>58889688
makes me wonder if the way to go for male vtubers is highly stylized/non-human models. maybe like Grim, from Billy & Mandy. or that Peanuts guy.

>>58880525
there probably are, but you also need the luck of great exposure.

>>58888379
>Man, you faggots really only watch Hololive huh.
Ironic.

>>58888758
Agree. I'm not sure how this guy is doing now but he was taking the fuck off for a while. It definitely wouldn't have happened if he had an anime boy model.

>>58880525
Why not just watch normal youtubers/streamers? The avatar adds nothing if you don't care about looks.

>>58880525
Gavis Bettel. Don't let the fangirls fool you.

>>58889385
He would never find such a vtuber because he wouldn't click on their content due to the avatar. Just like how you might never see some chick's content if you saw the thumbnail and she's ugly.

>>58892552
And in 13 years male vtubers will still be in the same place

>>58889250
This is such a brain dead take. People use vtuber models for anonymity. No, they don't NEEEEEEEEEEEED an avatar, but they want one to keep the weirdos in chat rather than at their doorstep.

>>58894719
>People use vtuber models for anonymity
KEK

>>58880525
ENTER

>>58894251
That place being better off than the vast majority of non-vtuber male streamers?

>>58894988
he doesn't use this anymore because the artist made him mad right?

>>58895130

qrd?

>>58895515
I phrased it as a question because I don't really remember either. He doesn't use the model nor mention it anymore though

>>58880525
>fujobait model
faggot

>dumb/ironic model
better off not using a model seriously

which vtuber has the most overlap of audience with Vinny?

>>58895717
nortz

>>58889301
>Anon you might be absolutely 100% retarded
Vinny is never, at any point, trying to arouse anyone during his streams and if you think he is you need a bullet to the brain

>>58895744
shit you're right.

>>58880525
Bros don't want to roleplay as an anime guy

>>58889301
>>58891475
the art section of is gone and removed for good reason

>>58895754
>isn't trying to arouse anyone
>literally dates fans
roru

The brotubers are in JP, unless Sonny and Bobon counts.
YSKZ and Kagami are prime examples. Beatmario counts as well.

>>58895130
>>58895515
iirc it was j chan (jabroni chan) and not the jester model he now uses.

"As of May 2022, Jabroni Chan has been retired from Mike's streams due to the character's creator retracting permission for use of the character." -from a mike wiki

>>58880525
A bro without his bros ain't much. He'd need some of his irl bros to also become vtubers so they can work off of each other otherwise he's just some guy.

>>58883374
>GF invades his stream pretty frequently.
true bro experience...

>>58895717
limes?

>>58897690
Yeah probably true, her and Heckerling probably. Maybe snuffy or Meat.

>>58885708
>it mean she/he have the charisma to gather an audience
explain Ina then

The only reason /vt/ holds male fleshtubers on such a high pedestal is because they've been watching them for years now, even before they got into vtubers. It's like nostalgia goggles. No one ever names fleshtubers they like that only just started out in the past few years.

>>58895831
>Bros don't want to roleplay as an anime guy
Look at this lonely loser who never pretended to be DBZ characters with his friends.

>>58898413
I see a few people mentioning Aethel on this thread, mainly shitting on him due to Nyan lmao. But I follow him fsince the Ironmouse's raids, and I gotta say, his humor just feels like those old fleshtubers for the most part. I don't think his humor hits with everyone, but he's probably one of the few recent creators I just enjoy watching for hours. I do hate the Dark and Darker spam he had before. And this
>>58897569
Legit experience I had with my homie once he got a partner was that we never found time to chill like before, and it was the first time it hit me that "oh shit we're adults now I guess"

>>58898759
>I don't think his humor hits with everyone
Bingo, I don't have anything against Aethel, just don't find him that funny/entertaining.

Abby would be one if he wasn't a fucking babi

>>58898413
I mean how far would it be acceptable? Those big Minecraft YouTubers all turned into streamers these days and by internet standards they could be considered new

Brotubers are more subjective and personal, your favorite brotuber could be some indie on twitch that no one cares about. To answer your question anon, yes but you will not know until you find your own.

>>58898530
You still do that in your 30s?

>>58880525
forsen

>>58889548
oneyplays is better

>>58880525
if you dont mind them being female hana macchia is kinda it i guess, if a bit more autistic version of it. her streams are pretty chill. she's also an obvious vinny fan and quotes him a lot (maybe too much)

i want to flirt with anime girls

>>58903022
they only became streamers because youtube sucks at making their creators money. pretty much the end goal of every youtuber is to be a streamer because that's the only surefire way to get viewers (besides leeching)

>>58903870
meant to say surefire way to get viewers as a streamer* streaming is where the actual money is at

>>58903797
Hana is great, one of the first ENs I watched. Glad she's still around.

>>58902462
Mmm, croc...

>>58892552
>while veteran Western male vtubers have been active for maybe 3 years at best
Cirno has been streaming for about as long as vinny has.

>>58880525
Beebs is the only true brotuber in this community. Niggas like Shoto, Vox or that fat orc are way too immature to be any funny, I don't want to hear these faggots whisper into my ears for hours while saying unfunny jokes.

>>58889250
they hated him for he spoke the truth.

>>58880525
https://www.twitch.tv/directory/all/tags/GTA
Literally hundreds of fleshfags to choose from. Stop looking for sexy anime boys to watch you faggot.

>>58889250
>>58907058
watch better female vtubers, bro.

>>58880525
Lots of males become vtubers with an aim to just become a more advanced kind of groomer for girl vtubers.

Lots of males become vtubers with an aim to make money - and this is way way easier to just have a prettyboy model and be fujo/yume bait than it is to work for like a decade on building up a career from the ground up like many of the current big names did - that success doesn't just pop up overnight. You don't see a new DSP just appear suddenly and become a huge equal/rival to the real one - that shit takes a ton of long-term effort and a ton of right place/right time luck vs going and doing a tentacle rape dungeon ASMR to get a bunch of Chinese office ladies wet.

Finally, lots of males become vtubers with a sincere and earnest wanting to just be a cool dude shooting the shit and playing games and no funny business on the side, no fucking around grooming no fujo baiting etc. Trouble is these for whatever reason tend to stay terminally stuck as very-literal 2views. It used to be considered common wisdom before Luxiem came out, that "there just isn't a market for male vtubers in the West", they just don't work here etc. And you know what, that still isn't even that-incorrect today, because the only major success male vtubers have gotten was through getting the same asian female audience the actual Asian male vtubers tend to rely on for fame and fortune. It'd be like if HoloEN's success was like 90% due to the HoloJP audience latching onto it with very little actual Western interest - is it successful? Sure. Is it successful in its target market, was it strategically successful in proving there's a Western market? Lol nope, just repackaging the same thing for the same audience it already had. That's what nijiEN "accomplished" and StarsEN is a pale mockery of even this model at that.

>>58880525
Talented men don't become vtubers, there's no benefit to it

>>58904550
And how long has Cirno been a vtuber, anon?

>>58889644
It's funny. Just like Jerma making weird faces

>>58894884
By "people" we mean Japanese. Westerns are a bunch of griftingfags who loves copy Japanese hobbies and butcher it in the process

https://twitter.com/HTSChart/status/1703501683479998471
FUTURE ISLAND AT #5 ON THE ASIAN POP CHARTS

>>58880525
>Why are there no real brotubers?
Wrong

>>58910695
And the same can be said for using an avatar.

>>58896433
hi geepm
no one ever believed that

>>58913000
>geepm
I just read a qrd on that guy, does he have genuine brainworms? How can he be so consistently retarded in his grift

I want to have sex with the schoolgirl demon thank you for reading my post

>VTubers was a mistake

>>58912794
Avatars don't have the smooth, fast and flexible expressivity of a real human face.

>>58889301
anon vinny x joel was a really big ship back in the day and they did acknowledge it on stream at points in the early 10s. theres a good reason the art segments arent there anymore

>>58889250
so men here are completely ok with being swindled by a girl using an anime filter? somehow thats even more pathetic than the people donating their life savings to women that show their faces on stream.

>>58882085
Hey now, he DOES know what a two hoo is, kek. I just realized the male content creators I still watch use no avatar at all. Vinny, Joel, dunkey, Let's Game It Out.
>>58905582
UUUUUUUUUUU I MISS BEEBS

>>58916566
Some fiver model might not be very expressive but any decent model will be. Not to real life face level but still very expressive. There also the addition of the model's spasms and freezing when the streamer gets excited that can add to the comedy. There's also the popularity of no-cam, which has no expressions period. No matter how you look at it, vtubing is just a middle ground between no-cam and facecam streams with the added benefit of attracting an audience by standing out visually.

>>58885708
>Popular = good
I'm pretty sure Fuwamoco were 2views until Holo decided they were worth something.

>>58880525
Any guy that's entertaining enough to be the mythical brotuber doesn't need to hide behind an anime avatar to get views

I want vinny to pound my bussy

>>58918721
That's how most of Hololive is, and corporate vtubers in general. With Hololive there's Fuwamoco like you said, and Gura who used to be a 3view and Ame who I'm pretty sure used to be a 1view as a couple more examples. Then there's xQc and Hasan eclipsing pretty much every Holomem. Popularity is less about charisma and more about being the right person at the right place at the right time for the right audience.

brotubers being vtubers make no sense as the models are only there to make them appear attractive
a brotuber wouldn't have an avatar or need it

>>58917876
...

here's your brotuber, bro

>>58920222
>models are only there to make them appear attractive
Or, you know, to look cool or because they like anime

>>58920937
you don't need a model to show you like anime you just need to be informed about anime
someone like Demo comes to mind
not that most modern vtubers watch anime anyways

>>58921054
It's not about needing an avatar, it's about wanting an avatar

>>58921534
can't imagine a large proportion of men wanting to look like characters out of otomege

>>58921674
Aside from vtubing's barrier to entry I don't see many reasons why a weeb wouldn't want to vtube. Why be some neckbeard when you could be Guts?

because male vtubers being faggy gay fujo pandering shit has salted the earth making sure nothing can grow there ever again
You wouldnt just be starting at zero, you'd be starting with a massive cultural debt against you

>>58922235
Just don't fujobait lol

>>58895717
limes obviously, but numbers wise some bigger vtubers likely have quite a bit of overlap. Vinny's been called "your favourite streamer's favourite streamer", he's been around for a long while now. I think Gura has mentioned him