/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>58863773
lurk moar newfag

>>58863773
Why are you gay faggot

Opposite. Toned down to comply with YouTubes retarded discrimination against anime tits.

58863945
non sequitur

>>58863773
I wonder if there are any anons here that remember how slutty Sora used to be in her early days

>>58863773
just stop being gay dude

>>58863773
I agree, I don't particularly appreciate the coomer prevalence here. I get that a lot of us are watching the streams for different reasons, which is fine, but coomers don't generally make worthwhile posts.

>>58864911
Without coomers /ggg/ would cease to exist.

>>58864501
Elaborate.

I need to squeeze me an anime tiddy been far too long.

>>58863773
Damn I know OP is always a faggot, but this might be the cusp of new found faggotry.

>>58863972
>>58864674
>>58865232
You know porn exist right? If you have the urge just go to a porn site, it's not like they'll ever run out of material

>>58866936
>hurr why not just watch porn
Dude, just stop being gay.

>>58865153
Such as?

>>58863773
>Even Hololive seems to be ramping up the fanservice
You mean Fauna and Kronii anon, stop dragging everyone else into this.

>>58863773
>>58864123
Also corporate restriction results on tubers become increasingly restrained in terms of fanservice, so the fans had pent up frustations

>>58866936
Y'know gore videos exist? Why play violent videogames, it's not like they'll ever run out of material

Your argument is retarded. Just because it's pleasing to see a little fanservice doesn't mean I have to immediately go crank my hog.

>>58864911
I disagree, they have the most imaginative posts because they fantasy about their favorite vtubes constantly. But why it's like this, is probably a lot of people can't separate love from lust.

>>58864501
interesting claim. Do you have any proof of that?

>>58863773
I haven't masturbated since the day my oshi debuted

>>58868002
She made her debut yesterday?

>>58863773
Anime is inherently something that caters to fantasy, either adult or childish fantasy. Chuubas are different levels of unfiltered about this. And it's fine as long as chat keeps their dicks in their pants.
Also did you know that sex sells.

The horniness is circular. The moment a popular vtuber displays increased horniness, their viewers subsequently become more horny, transmitting their horny levels to other vtubers who become increasingly horny as well. The cycle repeats over and over

>>58868497
The chuubas wanking the chuubas
On and on, down the years
Forever

>>58868497
I think it's more in cycles. Horniness is the natural state of both vtubers and the fanbase. So the horniness starts to creep in a little bit at a time, until it gets cracked down on.

society has been edging for the past few years and everyone subconsciously is getting ready for the big global coom

Sex sells. Its a tale as old as the internet itself. Rule 34 exists for a reason.

Tranny mods
They're grooming you lol

>>58863773
Tens of thousands of generations of humans and millions of creatures before them were horny, fucked and procreated for you to be here right now to type this dumb message.
Maybe the problem is you.

>>58863773
Lots of porn addicts feeling called out by this thread and calling a OP a homosexual because he's able can enjoy vtubers in a healthy way and understands common decency (nobody cares about your masturbation habits, niggerfaggots).
SAD!
Many such cases!

>>58869802
But you aren’t procreating, anon. You are wasting tissues and burning out your dopamine receptors.

>>58863773
Coomtubers have been a thing since forever tfw my first vtuber experience was ProjectMelody collabing with my favorite camgirl, but yeah, Hololive has been ramping it up again. Not a fan of it, though I think quite a few people voiced their disappointment with that weird coomer music video they recently released (the one with DoA Marine). I'm fine with an innuendo here and and some fan service there, but if they go overboard I just end up turning the stream off. Chuubas gotta provide me with at least SOME illusion that I'm not just a paycheck to them, and
>yeah I want you to FUCK ME I'm so HORNY haha I LOVE SEX
kind of makes that impossible.

>>58863773
>increasingly
No, it has always been that way.

>>58870432
> yeah I want you to FUCK ME I'm so HORNY haha I LOVE SEX
nerissa ravencroft

>>58870481
Yeah, sadly. I liked her the most based on the first few trailers, but when she dropped the 'I don't wear panties' in her debut stream I knew it was over

>>58870481
Some people has been pretty vocal about not liking her precisely because of that. I guess it worked for her.

>>58863773
Based anti coomer. Fuck these porn brained monkeys here. I want cute girls being cute, not sluts.

>>58863773
>Even Hololive seems to be ramping up the fanservice
Cover used some of their most sexualized designs in HoloEN. Ina has the skimpiest default outfit in Hololive while Kronii was given a harem character model with a large boob window. Management wanted to compete with western vtubers so they went heavy on the coomerbait.

>>58863773
It’s great.
I love fucking saplings like you.

>>58866936
If you think fanservice and porn are even comparable you are either baiting or genuinely retarded

>>58863972
why aren't you?

>>58863773
To begin with, Hololive is an agency that gained popularity for its fan service.
The old popular name was Erolive.

>>58863773
>Is it just me or does this board and the vtuber community in general seem increasingly horny?
Vshojo/Niji EN and it's consequences have been a disaster for the vtuber race.
>Even Hololive
Damage control after the homos nearly genocided the entire branch alone.

>>58863773
I kinda agree, sometimes reminds me of the twitch e-thots that I came to corpo vtubers to avoid in the first place, just makes me feel like i’m being taken advantage of.

>>58864501
Never happened

>>58877476
yeah i sometimes feel this way too anon but there are plenty of non horny vtubers out there

also coomers make unfunny posts baka

Bae's tiny waist is so sexy.

>>58863773
I don't watch Hololive anymore, but I started during the erolive era.
So if Hololive is going back that sounds epic.

>>58863972
>>58864674
>>58865232
but I don't want to have sex with men either.

the people on this board are so weirdly repressed it's actually kind of bizarre

Like you know you're not fooling anyone with this "BUT I WATCH THEM FOR CUTENESS NOT LEWDNESS" oblivious act right? Cute and sexy aren't mutually exclusive, you know that right? This entire fucking medium is based around having girls acting cute and sexy in front of audiences of mostly guys, you know that right? The whole fucking thing is built on horniness. There's a place you can go to escape it: Stop watching vtubers at all

>>58863773
It’s only natural for a man to want to have sex and impregnated a female he has fancied. It’s literally have people are wired

>>58886392
sounds like projection. while it's frequently true, sexiness is not inherent or necessary to this medium. they don't all resort to it. sometimes, they're funny.

>>58887104
>sometimes, they're funny.
Now that's funny.

>>58887104
lmao sexiness is absolutely fucking inherent to this medium. "I CAN IMAGINE IN THE ABSTRACT THAT UMMM UHH UMMMM SOMEONE WOULDN'T USE SEX APPEAL" doesn't fucking count. It's like saying "YOU KNOW I COULD CONCEIVE THAT WITH THE RIGHT CHEMICAL COMPOSITION THE SKY MIGHT ACTUALLY BE GREEN". Yeah, really? Well guess what, it's still blue

>>58887104
name a single fucking vtuber that doesn't bank off her sex appeal, so we can immediately laugh at your delusions

>>58886392
But vtubers are the place I go to escape the horniness pervading literally all other media (barring stuff targeted for young children I guess, and even that sometimes has raunchy double entendres for the parents).
Unironically I don't want to be horny anymore, I just want to be happy.

>>58887781
Risu. Kaela.
Now bend the knee, troglodyte.

>>58863773
Koikatsu and Twitter are both dying
The release has to go more and more elsewhere

>>58887781
Rosemi

>>58887851
Dude you are fucking lying to yourself and the world in the most blatantly obvious way. At least have some dignity and keep this shit to yourself instead of subjecting the rest of the fucking world to your cringe hangups about looking at pretty girls. Vtubers are literally one of the horniest fucking mediums out there. Jesus christ, do you have no self-awareness how fucking idiotic you sound saying "HURR I WANT TO ESCAPE HORNINESS BY GOING TO VTUBERS I DON'T WANT TO BE HORNY I WANT TO BE HAPPY!!!"

No, you want to be horny, because being horny and being happy aren't mutually exclusive, you're just so fucking simple that you're brainwashed by a fucking meme that tries to convince you that sexual attraction is inherently miserable and joyless

>>58888043
>>58888170
you have got to be fucking kidding me guys. Come the fuck on.

>>58886392
Actually, I do only watch them for the cuteness and I explicitly don't watch any vtubers who engage in degenerate behaviour. I'm here to watch a cute girl be cute and act pure. If I wanted to see a slut, I would go watch porn.

Hell, I even get super weirded out when one of them calls a female character "cute". I just think "why the fuck are you calling another female cute, you disgusting fuck? You're not a dyke, you're not bi, so don't do that. And even if you were, still don't fucking do it, 'cause I don't wanna hear it."

I want my vtubers to be (or at least put on the act of being) cute, pure, innocent, and not engage in vulgarity and degeneracy. This isn't a weird thing to want. Stop treating it like it is. It's perfectly normal to desire this. You hold the objectively inferior position in this argument.

>>58888391
based pebblephile

>>58888391
he says while posting the sexiest holo kek

>>58888043
Kaela is walking gap moe, try again.

>>58888353
>no argument
Welp, concession accepted I guess. I thought you'd at least move the goalposts, but this was even more cringe than I expected.

>>58888391
this is so stupid I assume it's bait

>>58888809
I didn't come up with a counter argument because, not knowing who Kaela was, I googled her. And immediately came up with this picture of a girl who has a skintight outfit painted on to her massive tits. So I assumed you were having a giggle. If you are honestly trying to argue this woman is not using her sex appeal, I simply do not take you seriously. I leave it as an exercise for the reader as to why

>>58870432
>ProjectMelody collabing with my favorite camgirl
Wait has she done collabs with actual flesh camgirls or was it just another lewdtuber?

>>58863773
fake and gay

>>58889093
You're retarded, that might be why. You can take the L at any point. Now try Risu if you really want to go full retard, I'm waiting
hint: Kaela literally refuses to even be called cute and chastises her viewers for doing so.

>>58864911
I absolutely disagree coomers make the best content, threads and OC.

>>58888391
nice copypasta

>>58886392
>Cute and sexy aren't mutually exclusive
Americans literally cannot fathom this actually, they have some psychosis which makes them believe these ARE mutually exclusive.

>>58889280
No, I'm not going to "try Risu" because if you look at this vtuber, and her painted-on outfit that blatantly emphasizes her huge boobs, and try to tell me that this person "isn't using sex appeal!!!" then you're a fucking clown, simple as. It doesn't matter what gay little oh-so-chaste persona she adapts for her chat (which she is 100 percent doing because she knows some guys get off to that. Or did you think that this wasn't obvious to everyone?)
Like good god dude, you have no grounds to be chastising others. It's fine to look at tits. You don't have to be so insecure about it that you have to humiliate yourself pretending you aren't.

>>58889587
>I...I'm not going to try Risu because it proves me wrong
Actually pathetic, didn't read the rest of your clownspiel
Take the L faggot. In fact, I'll do you one better. You lost.

>>58889671
>NO YOU HAVE TO SNIFF OUT THE INSECURITIES I HAVE ABOUT EACH SEXY VTUBER I WATCH
Nah, I only had to do one to prove your claim wrong, so I went for the one that required the least research. I have no idea who Risu is and have never watched their streams but given how in denial you are about the other one, I am one hundred percent confident they're a sexy little minx and you jerk off to them for some reason or another.

>someone who is known for her NNN videos does not use her sexuality
Lmao get a load of this guy.

>>58889093
Okay, let me get this straight, your whole entire argument hinges solely on their character models and not their personalities or behaviour or anything? In other words, your whole argument is:
>You only like these vtubers because of their character models and for literally no other reason!
That is so utterly retarded it's astounding. Also, imagine trying to tell someone why they "actually" like something and then telling them they're somehow wrong about their own reasons for liking that particular thing, like as if you could ever be right about it or get to decide that for them.

>>58889935
>he still won't do Risu
This is humiliating man. Stop, you're just flailing around. If your argument was EVERY VTUBER USES SEX APPEAL and you can't handle the two I gave you, you're a fucking retard.
Concession accepted btw, you can stop replying now if you won't deal with your own bold claim.

>Risu
>the vtuber whose personality is making double entendres about semen
>not relying on "sex sells"
Insane.

>>58889993
Nope! The argument had nothing to do with what you said! The challenge was "Name a vtuber that does not bank off her sex appeal." You named a vtuber whose model prominently displays massive tits covered by a skintight outfit. You are DELUSIONAL if you think that this is not "banking off her sex appeal!"
>>58890073
>>58890143
Hey look, someone else is doing the research for me! I didn't even have to bother. (Because I knew with 100 percent certainty that you were just in denial about the other one, the moment you tried to tell me some girl wiggling her tits in front of everyone wasn't using her sex appeal.)

>>58890464
You seem to be confusing a natural body part with "sex appeal". That's where you lose, and still lose, retard. Show me a clip, a SINGLE clip, of Kaela using her "sex appeal" and I'll happily take the L. You won't though, and you know it.
Concession accepted x3 now, you coombrained retard.

>>58890600
>n-n-n-n-no showing off your tits isn't using your sex appeal
>>58890291
lmao

>>58889280
>>58889993
Cute, now address this >>58888780 faggots.
hint: Kaela literally refuses to even be called cute and chastises her viewers for doing so..
Especially you, I would love to hear your explanation of how this isn't gap moe incarnate.

>>58890464
>You named a vtuber whose model prominently displays massive tits covered by a skintight outfit.
Actually, I'm this anon >>58888391 And since I'm NOT a pedophile, I find absolutely zero sex appeal in Bijou's model. She's also a perfect example of a vtuber who doesn't "bank off her sex appeal", since she doesn't have any.

>>58890600
>it's not REALLY using her sex appeal until she's actively choking on a dildo during a livestream

I'm with OP. I have a Madonna complex a mile wide. I don't want my precious pure chuubas doing sexual things if it can be helped. I stay away from vshojo and coomerbait indies.

>>58890910
>I'm NOT a pedophile
anon I have bad news

>>58890910
>since she doesn't have any
Delusional

some more physical and some more emotional
but yes i think we are returning to the past when it comes to this kind of thing

>>58890600
>tits are just like, a natural body part dude, I swear I am a very polite gentleman who definitely would not stare if a girl went around topless

>>58891227
>Why don't you have a seat right over there?!

>>58891298
>>58890851
>>58890988
>no clips
Concession acceptedx6 judging by the furious samefagging, KEK. C'mon coomers, it's just a single clip, it shouldn't be too hard to BTFO me?

>>58891636
you are being mocked for the very ridiculous position that showing off your tits somehow doesn't qualify already as "using your sex appeal", in case you were too dumb to figure that out

>>58891636
That's not an answer, bucko.

>>58891636
>NNNNOOOO I'M NOT WRONG YOU HAVE TO MEET MY MOVING GOALPOSTS OR ELSE I'M NOT WRONG
the funny thing is I am now one hundred percent certain clips of this girl acting like a slut exist just because you're so in denial about everything else

>>58887104
>they're funny
I don't want to be harsh but this is as useless a statement as the people who go 'well I watch them because they're entertaining'. 'Entertaining' describes the end-state, not how it was attained. It's like saying 'What ingredients were used doesn't matter, I just like the dish because it's tasty.'

A good-looking, well-dressed person can tell a joke and a whole room laughs but a fat dude who stinks doing the same just leads to silence. Even with the same joke, same delivery, same body language. Appearance layers so many expectations and stereotypes onto whatever a person says or does, positive or negative. That's just the way it is, and people have accepted this without questioning for thousands of years.

And the anime girl avatar is anything but neutral in appearance. It is an art style painstakingly refined over half a century, going through dozens of iterations and ruthless weeding out of failures, all aimed at maximal attractiveness, because that sells merchandise. To pretend that one's engagement with such content is utterly uncoloured by some significant degree of attraction towards the anime girl design is unconvincing; to imply that this is common on a large scale beggars belief.

>>58891815
>>58891978
>>58892051
>no clip
Concession accepted x9. This was too easy. Grim, in fact.

>>58892238
>NO I'M RIGHT I'M RIGHT
also pretty funny how instantly you stopped mentioning Risu lmao
It's okay one day you'll stop being 14 years old and you'll realize that its okay to be attracted to girls and you don't have to feel guilty about it

>>58891978
>>58892051
>>58892377
Nta, but you realize it's YOUR burden of proof to provide clips of them being slutty, not his, since you're the one making the claim, right?

You can't just go "This vtuber is a slut. Now, go do my work for me to prove MY claim right." That's not his job to provide a clip, it's yours, since it's your claim. Stop trying to make him do your work.

>>58892238
Anon, it shouldn't be this difficult to accept that Kaela has insane gap moe considering you literally posted an example of it.

>>58863773
Why are Saplings the biggest prudes?

>>58891636
>>58891815
>>58891978
>>58892051
Can you faggot stop using kaela for your schizo war.

>>58892534
The claim was never "she is a slut", it was "she uses sex appeal", which is apparent from her model since her tits are prominently displayed. He simply redefined "using sex appeal" as "Well that must mean there are clips of her being a slut then!!!" There could be, but that's not the point.

>>58892377
>>58892565
>still no clip
Holy fuck this is humiliating RUMAO
x11 concessions btw

>>58892534
I am under no such obligation. The original claim was that vtubers bank on sex appeal, NOT sluttiness, and gap moe absolutely has sex appeal. The sperg literally posted an example of Kaela's gap moe FOR ME >>58889280 and now is so schizo he's lumping me in with a completely different anon and is obsessed with me providing a clip of something that he's going to move the goal posts on. I am providing no such clip until he acknowledges or denies that Kaela has gap moe.

>>58866936
Porn is really bad, though.

>>58892894
anon I am starting to think you're just trying to farm clips of your favorite vtuber being slutty

>>58892713
NTA but he's right. The definition of "using sex appeal" implies an action on the vtubers part, hence the verb "use". As much of a faggot at this dude is he's right at the moment.

>>58893628
The action was "commissioning and using a model that has her tits out and prominently displayed", don't now what autism you're trying to pull here

>>58893789
None of the hololive girls commisioned their models though? What are you even saying?

>>58863773
In order to stay here, you must nut twice to preggo Biboo art

>>58892713
>The claim was never "she is a slut
See >>58892051
>it was "she uses sex appeal"
You're splitting hairs and you guys haven't even defined what counts as sex appeal and can't even stay consistent with what counts as sex appeal.
>He simply redefined "using sex appeal" as "Well that must mean there are clips of her being a slut then!!!" There could be, but that's not the point.
And again, it's his burden of proof to provide evidence of her deliberately using her sex appeal, which again, you guys can't seem to decide on whether it's solely based on her model or her behaviour. Pick one.

>>58892955
>I am under no such obligation.
You are under every obligation to provide proof of your claim. Don't try to weasel your way out of this, you slimy rat.

>The original claim was that vtubers bank on sex appeal, NOT sluttiness,
Splitting hairs.

>he's lumping me in with a completely different anon and is obsessed with me providing a clip of something that he's going to move the goal posts on
Yeah, because, again, it's your burden of proof to provide evidence of your claim. So, why don't you just show a fucking clip if it's that easy to prove him wrong? I'm failing to see why you can't just do that.

>I am providing no such clip until he acknowledges or denies that Kaela has gap moe
Okay, so, how are you defining sex appeal? Because you seem to keep flip-flopping between it solely having to do with the character model and whether the vtuber themselves intentionally exploits their own sex appeal. So, which is it?! Be clear about it. Fuck.

>>58893628
>As much of a faggot at this dude is
Oh, shut up, faggot. Don't even trying fucking try pulling that shit, you dumb cunt.

>>58893628
If we're going full ackchyually here, the original claim was "banking on" not "using" which is admittedly ambiguous, but I lean towards banking on being more passive in nature. Either way, sex appeal is both something you can passively have or actively use.
Still waiting for those four or five little words, anon.

>>58894033
>all this autism and words words words because he just can't admit that a girl using a model with huge tits in a skintight outfit is using sex appeal
genuinely sad

>>58894209
>using
He's done it again. How humiliating.

>>58894410
>now reduced to foaming at the mouth arguing over what the definition of the word 'using' is
anon it's okay god won't hate you for liking tits

>>58894410
>>58894546
Now kith

>>58894546
>definition of the world 'using'
you're either ESL or retarded, as it's one of the first things that you're taught. You're the one 'arguing' it, as if it isn't a concrete definition kek

>>58894033
>You are under every obligation to provide proof of your claim. Don't try to weasel your way out of this, you slimy rat.
My claim of Kaela having gap moe, which the sperg provided an example of for me. There, proof's done, and I didn't even have to lift a finger.
>Splitting hairs.
Only if you believe that sluttiness is the only way women can have sex appeal. Women who are extremely modest can have just as much sex appeal as the town bike. Not to the same men, typically, but it is not "splitting hairs".
>Yeah, because, again, it's your burden of proof to provide evidence of your claim. So, why don't you just show a fucking clip if it's that easy to prove him wrong? I'm failing to see why you can't just do that.
Because I'm not giving this faggot any chance to move the goalposts. I want him to make a simple declarative statement one way or another before I do so he can't squirm his way to a new definition.
>Because you seem to keep flip-flopping
Anon, there's a very simple explanation for this, you're talking to two very different people with very different arguments. I'm going to give you a hint.
This
>>58888780
>>58890851
>>58891978
>>58892565
>>58892955
>>58894090
is me. You will notice that I have had (1) one thread this entire time. And to answer your question, sex appeal can be either or both passively used, as with simply the character model (OR FUCKING GAP MOE) or actively engaged.

>>58894209
Dude, the character is fully clothed, is very modestly dressed, almost resembles a nun with how much she's covered up, and the vtuber herself doesn't even engage in any kind of behaviour relating to the exploitation of her "sex appeal", or what little of it there even is.

Honestly, your whole entire argument boils down to
>B-b-but, sh-she has big breasts!
Like, really? Sorry, but I see no deliberate attempt at trying to use sex appeal with the character model. It just isn't there. Her breasts don't change that. They're just there. That's it. All your arguments are trash.

>>58863773
Coomer pandering is a last ditch effort to halt their slide into irrelevance. People can't afford to pay them as much as they used to, so now they're all scrambling to secure the shrinking pool of paypigs who can.

>>58895040
anon you *cannot* be serious.
>she's fully clothed
Look at the very picture YOU YOURSELF JUST POSTED. Her outfit has a skintight covering of very prominent breasts, is so tight around the stomach that you can see her bellybutton, and has a leg slit up the side where you can see her tight-wearing leg for good measure. How, *how* can you post these pictures and not recognize the sex appeal? You know that sex appeal doesn't mean "literally getting naked on stream", right? You do know that you can use sex appeal without being an outright pornstar, right?

>>58895040
Don't try to argue with the retards, they lost already. They've already fled, it's quite funny in a sad way

>>58894888
>My claim of Kaela having gap moe
Why does that automatically equate to sex appeal, though? I just see them as breasts. Nothing more. This just seems completely subjective.

>Only if you believe that sluttiness is the only way women can have sex appeal
But that's exactly how you seem to see it, though. Stop being inconsistent.

>Women who are extremely modest can have just as much sex appeal as the town bike.
Okay, so if it's all subjective then how are any of us wrong for saying that Kaela has no sex appeal and how are any of our arguments any less valid than yours? It simply comes down to "We don't view Kaela as possessing any sex appeal, whereas you do". If it's all only a matter of opinion, then neither of us are wrong or right, since it's all subjective anyway, and therefore this whole entire argument has been pointless.

>Because I'm not giving this faggot any chance to move the goalposts.
But no goalpost would be moved. You'd prove him wrong and that would be the end of it. Simple as that.

>I want him to make a simple declarative statement one way or another before I do so he can't squirm his way to a new definition.
So, really, you're just a childish baby who wants to get his own way? Pretty pathetic. Also, you're the only one who's done any squirming.

>sex appeal can be either or both passively used
That's entirely dependent on whether the person finds it sexually appealing in this first place. Which we don't.

>or actively engaged.
Which it isn't.

>>58888178
Ya good homie?

>>58895040
you have to be outright pornbrained to think that this is somehow not a sexy outfit

>>58895802
>How, *how* can you post these pictures and not recognize the sex appeal?
Because it's all subjective and I don't find any appeal in it, because I'm not a coom-brained degenerate. To me, Kaela is dressed almost as modestly as a nun. Her model does absolutely nothing for me. I don't find any sex appeal in it. Get over it.

>>58895984
you might have to be outright pornbrained to think this IS a sexy outfit. way to out yourself, I guess.

>>58896083
>Kaela is dressed almost as modestly as a nun
Okay, so you've been trolling this whole time. I should have figured

>>58895984
No, it's the complete opposite. You'd have to be outright porn-brained to FIND it sexy.

>>58896096
the only way you look at this outfit and not recognize the sexual elements in it, is if you've spent so much time watching porn that a girl just doesn't even register as "sexy" unless she's completely naked and masturbating

>>58896119
Oh no... One of Kaela's legs is slightly showing and you can see the outline of her breasts... She's essentially naked... Please, stop being such a coomer. For the love of God, try going outside... Please... just go outside...

>>58895984
>>58896196
Hit the nail on the head. No surprise to me the ones going around crusading about coomers are the ones who already have their minds addled by porn.

>>58896196
that doesn't even make any sense at all anon. do you just pop an erection at every girl you see wearing joggers/yoga pants? what about crop tops? all normal attire where i live.
you must live in a country where burkha's are the norm or something, this argument is utterly retarded otherwise

>>58896196
No, only a porn-brained coomer would look at it and find it sexy, since you degenerate faggots find literally anything sexy because you feel the need to sexualize everything, no matter how non-sexual it is. Your logic makes absolutely no sense. Stop being retarded.

>>58896157
no, the symptom of pornbrain is being so overloaded on eroticism that you become desensitize to it and can no longer recognize its more subtle incarnations. Like how someone who eats too much sugar eventually can't taste sweetness until it's overpowering to someone who isn't addicted to it. Take a break from the porn man

>>58896541
retard

>>58896388
anon the more you talk the more you reveal that you have a problem. I don't have to pop a boner to appreciate that yes, tight yoga pants and revealing tops are sexy. You are, in fact, the weird one if you insist that there is nothing at all sexually appealing about them.

>>58863773
>>58866936
Be it a streamer, be it a singer, be it an actor, be it a kpop band, be it an influencer, etc, there is always a sexual appeal component on whatever they do, is it wrong? Depends on who you ask, but if you know how to do it, you can do it and it would improve your numbers, why not?
>b-but the sisters will call me a whore!!!
That didn't stop Brittny Spears, Madonna, Marlyn Monroe, etc. You could argue that sexual appeal played a big part in their success, is it worth tradig dignity for success, dunno, that's not a question for me, at the end of the day fanservice is not a requisite for the holo girls (as far as I know) but a little bit of fan service every once in a while will always be welcomed

>>58895921
>Why does that automatically equate to sex appeal, though? I just see them as breasts.
Anon...do you know what gap moe is?
>But that's exactly how you seem to see it, though. Stop being inconsistent.
No, you clearly don't.
>Okay, so if it's all subjective then how are any of us wrong for saying that Kaela has no sex appeal and how are any of our arguments any less valid than yours?
Sex appeal being subjective doesn't change the fact that for a woman entertainer audiences of mostly men will certainly be half built on sex appeal at the absolute very least
>But no goalpost would be moved. You'd prove him wrong and that would be the end of it. Simple as that.
>So, really, you're just a childish baby who wants to get his own way? Pretty pathetic. Also, you're the only one who's done any squirming.
The only reason someone would refuse to make a simple declarative statement is that they have every intention of squirming their way out of their original position. Being on the internet for longer than five seconds and recognizing that obvious pattern and demanding that they can make a statement that they can be pinned to isn't being childish. And, by the way, point to when I did any such squirming. Keep in mind, you get to use
>>58888780
>>58890851
>>58891978
>>58892565
>>58892955
>>58894090
>>58894888
these posts only.
>That's entirely dependent on whether the person finds it sexually appealing in this first place. Which we don't.
Irrelevant, see above
>Which it isn't.
Irrelevant, see above, and only included for the sake of providing a complete definition.
I am literally just waiting for five little words, from ANYONE. "Kaela does have gap moe" or "Kaela doesn't have gap moe"

>>58896657
You're actually so coombrained its unreal and you're projecting on everyone else. I get it now.
Hint: nuns aren't sexy. Nuns, acting in a sexy way, are sexy.
That enough for you to understand? It's intent+aesthetic. Kaela doesn't fit one of those, even if you're going to cling to the fact you think her default model is 'sexy' (which is a RUMAO in itself)
you're literally in a burkha country now i swear. woman shows her ankle and you lose your mind kek

>>58896352
but he literally just said you don't need to be naked to have sex appeal you big silly dummy

>>58896939
Nah anon if you can't recognize that some outfits are sexy you're the weird one

>>58897048
>no u
utterly embarrassing. read the rest of the post you spastic.

>>58896939
Anon if you can't recognize sexy outfits for what they are, and you don't jerk it to porn... you might actually be gay. Grim.

>>58896541
>no, the symptom of pornbrain is being so overloaded on eroticism that you become desensitize to it and can no longer recognize its more subtle incarnations
Actually, it can work both ways (although, your example doesn't apply to me). In your case, you're so porn-brained that you see everything as sexual, even if it isn't. To me, Kaela's outfit has literally zero sex appeal, because it's just too modest. For you, you're so porn-addicted that you think "Ooooh, fuck! Her outfit, is slightly tight and a teensy bit of leg is showing! That's all it takes to turn me into a filthy fucking sex-crazed degenerate!" Sorry, but your logic just straight up doesn't work. Take a break from the porn man. Stop seeing sex in everything, okay?

>>58896921
>I am literally just waiting for five little words, from ANYONE. "Kaela does have gap moe" or "Kaela doesn't have gap moe"
But that still wouldn't prove you right, either way.

>>58897279
Motherfuckers out here cooming to this unironically
And 'I'm' the one in the wrong her.

>>58896961
And I've mentioned that's subjective. For some people, you do need to, for others, you don't. You giant, retarded faggot.

Do you think people in the 70's also had this kind of conversation when women started showing their ankles?

>>58897510
RUMAO
Ok, /thread. Anyone arguing against this is literally just being contrarian now.

>>58897510
>NO NO NO YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE OUTFIT IS INHERENTLY SEXY

>>58897510
Lol. Thread over. Coomers BTFO'd.

>>58897510
If that's what you equate Kaela's looks to then you might actually be gay. Have you considered lopping off your penis? Perhaps women aren't for you.

>>58897510
LOL

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JKp4DRZORMk

>>58897510
can't even goalpost this one KEK

>>58897883
Dude, it's over. You lost. Just accept it and move on. You got put to rest, bro.

>>58863773
straightest sapling

>>58863773
I have started jerking off more and more ever since coming to this place.
I jerked off 3 times in the last 4 hours just because I thought "what if I need to later and people show up at my house"
I can't stop....

>>58889113
Melody was a regular camgirl before anon

>>58897498
Prove me right on what, anon? The only claim I ever made before you and I got in this autistic sub-war is that Kaela has gap moe, a trait that is objective. A trait that is measurable. A trait that you can concretely say someone does or does not have. All I was asking was a simple agreement or disagreement on this fact, because if that position isn't established from the person across from me, they're going to start to start blurring the lines between what they personally think is sex appeal vs something that can be sex appeal to someone else and claim that just because they personally don't find any sex appeal in something, that means that whatever the chuuba is don't doesn't count as sex appeal.
Now why would someone do something like this? Well, maybe when someone posts a clip like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP_S5oH0EfI this that proves that gap moe can be pretty bloody lucrative, they're going to start getting really uncomfortable and start making some silly claims like "no man actually finds what she's doing attractive in any way, they're all donating large chunks of money purely platonically!"
But Kaela tells them to stop. So it doesn't count. Somehow.

>>58897498
Prove me right on what, anon? The only claim I ever made before you and I got in this autistic sub-war is that Kaela has gap moe, a trait that is objective. A trait that is measurable. A trait that you can concretely say someone does or does not have. All I was asking was a simple agreement or disagreement on this fact, because if that position isn't established from the person across from me, they're going to start to start blurring the lines between what they personally think is sex appeal vs something that can be sex appeal to someone else and claim that just because they personally don't find any sex appeal in something, that means that whatever the chuuba is doing doesn't count as sex appeal.
Now why would someone do something like this? Well, maybe when someone posts a clip like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP_S5oH0EfI this that proves that gap moe can be pretty bloody lucrative, they're going to start getting really uncomfortable and start making some silly claims like "no man actually finds what she's doing attractive in any way, they're all donating large chunks of money purely platonically!"
But Kaela tells them to stop. So it doesn't count. Somehow.

>>58898524
>>58898660
Sorry, bro, you must not have heard, thread's over. >>58897510 Already won.

What the fuck is going on in here??
Is this some astroturf to claim that Kaela is ugly or some shit?
Ghs

>>58898716
Guess how many fucks I give about that wasted branch of post numbers?

>>58898945
Can you just tell me how many? I don't really feel like guessing.

>>58898937
Someone that doesn't even watch Kaela basically claimed she uses sex appeal to bait coomers. One of Kaela's autistic fans asked the non-watcher for proof which the retard obviously couldn't provide, the retard kept doubling down and Kaela's autistic fan kept replying.

>>58899331
Weird. Kaela is sex though

>>58863773
>the vtuber community
aka the top 3 corpos, man you "vtuber fans" disgust me

I started working out

>>58889113
>collabs with actual flesh camgirls
Yeah

ITT: sad faggots loudly insisting they read playboy for the articles

>>58863773
Tldr I want to fuck you op.

>>58897510
>THIS IS WHAT KAELA'S OUTFIT IS LIKE TO ME! I SWEAR! WHEN I LOOK AT KAELA TIS IS WHAT I SEE!
unironically, no joke, repressed

>>58863773
>>58864911
if a post is actually that low quality, you can report em. I do it all the time, it's fun to see them disappear.

>>58900779
As a classic rock fag I absolutely would kill for the issue with John Lennon's interview.

>>58897510
you want to know why this is weird? Imagine a girl who, when caught admiring a sexy man, loudly insisted that no she wasn't, there was no sexual thoughts in her mind.

That is what you're doing. Except when a girl does it, it's cute, because girls are valued for their purity so they have motivation to pretend theyre more pure than they are. But you're not a girl, you're a guy on an imageboard. And you're weirdly behaving in the exact same manner a girl would, just with the genders flipped. It's weird.

>>58888145
>Koikatsu

whats happening with it

>>58900779
No, I'd say it's more just this >>58889564. I'd argue that cute and sexy actually are mutually exclusive, or at least on a sliding scale, but they both fall under the branch of sex appeal. It's also seemingly everyone arguing that just because they don't think something counts as sex appeal (or at least they claim they don't) then anyone who does think it counts must be a coomer and porn-addled, because different opinions and tastes scare people.

>>58863773
as you age your mind goes but the hormones stay

>>58866936
You life must be boring as fuck.

>>58867095
>stop dragging everyone else into this.
The rest of council are going to do the same level fanservice faggot. Deal with it. Don't forget Gura also did it too.

>>58890291
Ayunda Risu is sex.

>>58864497
>newfag doesn't remember erolive
Many such cases.

>>58863773
Because we’re sexually repressed and this is our outlet. There, that’s your answer

>>58901083
You know that when you report a post it automatically gets hidden, right?

>>58866936
Woman logic

>>58863773
This happens as most fandoms age. The hype of something new dies down and it is almost invariably replaced by horny.

>>58863773
How can you say you love your oshi if you don't want to make sweet love to her?>>58863945

>>58863773
>Even Hololive seems to be ramping up the fanservice
Source? I pretty much stopped watching holo around the beginning of 2022, but will check out streams again if true

>>58897510
>>58896352
>>58895040
most clothes don't actually fit so tightly over a woman's breasts breasts and thighs.

>>58895040
>>58896352
is a naked woman inherently sexy?

>>58897605
If it’s subjective, why are you getting mad at him?

>>58887781
the best ones don't rely on it primarily.

>>58892068
the model does matter, but it doesn't have to be attraction, people can like it aesthetically or "artistically". the way they sound and talk is more important anyway.

"you have to want to fuck any woman you're a fan of" seems very simple-minded to me. I know this is slightly muddled by the fact that they're women, and it's the nature of female socialization, but what about men you listen to, or, I dunno, female writers. (I know it's not the same level of output, but humor me.)

>>58897510
motherfucker absolutely nobody believes that you have the same reaction to this nun that you do to the vtubers you watch

>>58863773
90% of "people" /here/ are autistic incels and rape monkeys, you tell me.

>>58863773
>>58863972
>>58864674
Yo. Losers in here are TRIGGERED. How do you make coomerism your identity and not be man enough to just accept it? That's ultimate loser behavior. You wrap yourself up in jerking off to weird shit and watching e-whores play in pool tubs on "sfw" Twitch, and don't even have the decency to say "Ya I'm a freak and proud."

>>58907502
The Book of Genesis talked about this. I implore everyone on this board tk not come back until they finish that Book and the Ones following it.

>>58901306
Orbiter behaviour is part of why he's doing it.

>>58910718
Because I'd rather just tell you to stop being gay.
Imagine adopting a forced unoringinal meme as your entire personality instead of being just a perverted guy who enjoys lewd content, like any other honest man.

>>58910911
oh god is that what this thread is
a bunch of guys loudly yelling how they don't like lewd stuff or denying things are lewd, because years of being an orbiter have trained them to think this way

I hate the horny shit. You watch the tubas for the humour, not for fucking smut innuendo.

Why are zoomers so neutered?

>>58911538
They were indoctrinated into believing male sexuality is the root of evil.

>>58897331
why do you think 'acknowledging a girl is sexy' makes you a 'sex crazed degenerate'
you people really ARE repressed

I don't see that in hololive more than usual. On the other hand indies are pretty disgusting.

>>58911538
because they're teenagers, so being horny is scary and new to them. many react by denying they they're horny at all

>>58898051
no no anon there's no sex appeal involved at all in swimsuit concerts you're a degenerate sex freak if you think there is

>>58911538
>>58911613
people are afraid of rejection.

>>58897510
BAHAHAHAHA

>>58863773
Troon hands typed this comment

>>58911538
They got brainwashed into not stating any opinion at all because it may hurt someone's feefees.

>>58911625
judging from the amount of "UOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXX PLAP PLAP PLAP GET PREGNANT I HAVE TO FERTILIZE HER EGGS FOR ABE-SAN" it goes quite a bit further than simply enjoying her body

>>58904720
How are you "sexually repressed" when half of the boards on this site are for porn