/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>58716272
>hasn't had anything to say
Greyname nijisister, please...

>>58716272
She addressed their graduation with her members already.

>>58716272
Bummer, I guess.

>>58716272
She got smarter is all. She realizes that addressing a controversy only adds more fuel to the fire and makes her a target and it is always better not to say anything about it.

I like Kiara.

>>58717049
>>58716588
>not say anything about it
its fucking posted almost 20 minutes ago above you are you fucking blind? does everyone in this board have severe tunnel vision that they ignore everything?

>>58716588
HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA IS THIS REAL?

>>58716588
Vesper died irl? That's unfortunate.

>>58716588
KEK this is fucking pathetic

>>58716272
They lost the homobeggar audience since the other Tempus members don't want to collab with them, so they're desperately crawling back to the gachikoi, especially Kronii since she doesn't have a music career to fall back on

>>58717180
Retard, that was an extremely obvious joke. Learn not to autism sometime please even if Mumei is your oshi.

>>58716588
I wish this was true, but alas, she was actually referring to an actual death IRL. Would have been great material with which to ridicule her and the remaining kronies, otherwise.

>>58716272
are the views low these days, grifter shillers?
non vtubers are off topic btw

>>58716272

Get a hobby

wow an ESL bait thread

>>58717671
She literally posted it on the day of his graduation anon. You can't tell me it was just a coincidence.

>>58716588
Are you fucking kidding with me?
>She loved him for real
>He fucked off to become a depraved bisexual indie
I... I like him and I understood his reason, but I'm going to cry for her.

>>58718689
no it wasnt you lying shit, her member post was a week later

>>58716272
Pain Pako

>>58716588
big if true

>>58718812
>become

>>58716272
Tempus collabs severely damaged Kronii's numbers and something clearly went very bad between them behind the scenes because she banned all mentions of them from her chat. She's probably happy they left.

She isn’t allowed to, none of them are. Hololive is blacker than Nijisanji because at least Njis are allowed to talk about their graduated friends, and even tell everyone is advance before they publicly announce graduation.

>>58717503
>I was only pretending to be retarded
One day you'll realize that you were not pretending after all

>>58722759
>She isn’t allowed to, none of them are.
Kiara and Mori talked about it, retardchama. Your rrat is DOA.

>>58722733
>>58722759
Literally post 3 in the thread >>58716588
Kronii banned the words right before the announcement, it’s obvious she just wanted to avoid dramafaggots in her chat.

>>58722759
You're a retard nigger

>wahhh don't talk about the homos nobody cares about them
>wahhh talk about the homos why does nobody in hololive care about them
Kill yourself in real life, please.

>>58724059
You lost, sister

>>58722759
>Critique Kronii severely for collabing with men
>Doesn't mention men on stream again
Why is Kronii such a bitch?!?

>>58717441
Source: I made it up

>>58716272

>>58724195
Lose what?

>>58718689
It was a week later. She had her 2nd anniversary solo stream on the day of the announcement and of course she didn't say anything.

And, yes you'll get your comment/sc deleted and maybe get banned too if you mention Tempus in her chat.

>>58717180
Anon, that was the anniversary of the death of one of her closest friends, it had nothing to do with Tempus.

>>58723027
It was banned for months ever since their last collab in May.

>>58724610
>It was a week later.
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/57483771/#57483771
https://youtube.com/@NoirVesper/about
>Vesper officially graduated on the 31st.
Kek anon btfo

>>58724955
Cringe, again it was about the death of one of her closest friends who died in 2021.

>>58723027
Kronii's member post was about the literal death of someone. Not Vesper and Magni getting canned, you turbo retard.

>>58724989
>>58725061
And where are the proof?

>>58725089
Member stream in December 2021 and RM shit.

>>58725089
The proof is Kronii's own member post. It's not my fault if you're too ESL to understand she's referring to an actual death.

>>58725127
>>58725148
This post implies she knows how harsh losing someone is and also that it is happening again. How can a member stream in 2021 have something to do with a death which happened 2 years later. All you do is spit what you think is fact but for people not as delusional as you and knowing both Kronii and Vesper had a particular relationship it's not enough to believe you. And obviously her posting this the day of Vesper's graduation makes all of this even more believable.

>>58722759
Dumb fuck

>>58725574
You dipshit her friend died in 2021, this was the anniversary or close to it, that's why she wrote that post.

>>58725574
>>58725650
There's a real easy way to solve this rrat you two.
Did she post something like this a year ago?
If so, then it's about her friend
If she didn't, then it's about Vesper

>>58725779
She didn't start writing Wednesday's until this year. So no she didn't write this last year too.

>>58725574
She'd be DMing that orc if they're as close as you think they are, she would never have to make that sad post if it was about Vesper.

>>58724455
Nah i think the source is kronii volunteering for shit like this https://youtu.be/oLp3GDZcBCc?si=lrfKAbCCHGiuo4Hc or this https://youtu.be/SdF0vjVj278?si=2IpLfuVXEJ5Wv9DZ

>>58725948
How does that prove anything?

>>58722759
They're officially alumni. Hololive and Holostars have been able to talk about them. Even fans have been able to express their fandom for them on stream, judging by Hakka's recent stream. Kronii just seemed to be the unluckiest Holo who drew the shortest stick in terms of public/troll response to the co-ed collabs. Didn't help that she clearly wasn't prepared to handle it, either. So banning relevant names and such is for the best. Even if people on the internet can still come up with whatever rrat they want, they at least can't harass her directly in real time about it.

>>58725574
When Sana graduated, Kronii kept in touch. When Vesper graduated, Kronii lost a friend? Why is that? That post doesn't read like a simple "two close friends no longer being coworkers anymore" situation. Sounds more like a death of a loved one or a very harsh breakup.

>>58716272
Why are you people like this?

>>58727781
Meds

>>58717049
Vesper and Magni got fired so there is little that Kronii can say except a vague comment that she misses them. If any talent would have said more it would have been Mori so it's almost certain that management has strongly reminded them about the penalty for breaking their NDA.

>>58716272
There's nothing Kronii could say about them that would shed light on the situation or make everything better.

>>58730466
yeah, but It would be funny.

>>58730466
They were so important for her that she sacraficed her career for them.
At least she should say something, anything...

>>58733623
Sometimes the best course of action is to not say anything.

>>58728954
Mori's admitted to doing drugs on a her corporate account, what makes you think she'd listen?

>>58733623
Pretend like they're dead? She's moved-on.

>>58716272
>Kiara throwing coworkers under the bus
she will never change

>>58735219
Cry harder sister

>>58735219
>Kiara sympathizing with Magni and Vesper's best friends in Hololive is now throwing them under the bus
Never change Kronibeat.

>>58735219
Kiara is german, there is a reason all their neighbors dislike them.

I wouldn't normally give the rrat of Kronii being sleighted behind the scenes and weight, but the remaining Tempus boys are doing way better now that those two are gone too. Considering the special treatment they were getting, it seems pretty likely that they were throwing their weight around like entitled bitches.

>>58736055
She's Austrian, everybody loves them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5T2-u5WJH8

>>58735219
Explain how Kiara threw anyone under the bus you can't

>>58736055
>Kiara is german
No she isn't. It'll never stop being funny how Kiara antis don't know anything about her. They hate her based entirely on false information and delusions revealed to them in a dream.

>>58716272
if she says nothing you complain, if she says something you complain...

>>58736055
Kraut. Stop trying to smear your disgusting crimes on Austrians

>>58733623
They were not that important and she didn't sacrifice her career.

>>58716272
She is a woman and therefore has no spine, that's all.

>this whole debate
You know, knowing how abrasives both of them are, what makes you think there's zero possibility of them falling out because they both can be cunts when they're angry? Vesper might be throwing something on his way out, or Kronii doing just that when he walked out?
That would explain the membership post, he's dead to her because she was so pissed about the ordeal. But at the same time, they were close enough that Kronii bet her careers on it. (Her lack of interaction with the other half of Tempus says a lot)
It is totally over, and homobeggar like me lost. Both sides should stop seething. It's not healthy.

>>58724059
>>58724403
Why are you people talking like there's only 1 side/group of people in /vt/?

>>58716272
>homos still living rent free on veetee's mind

>>58722759
>>58728954
Rushia got terminated and Marine and Pekora have still mentioned her from time to time.

>>58733623
> sacraficed her career
Your unhinged rrats are as coherent as your spelling

It's weird that the unicorns take pleasure in the fact that the girls are afraid of them.

>>58753198
cope

>>58753307
with what

>>58753341
There is no intimidation. There is no fear.
There was advice given to the streamer. It was rejected.
Now, people are questioning the intentions of those girls.
Do they actually care about their coworkers?

>>58753480
IRyS literally showed up sounding like an abused spouse desperately claiming that she had no contact with the homos, and she wouldn't talk to them at all.
It was fucking sad to watch.
But I know you get off to that so keep it up I guess.

>>58753702
It's weird as fuck. Irys literally got superchats that told her to "drop the holostars collab" when they weren't even interacting.
That shit is insane.

>>58717049
Bingo. for all everyone shitposts at least she actually learned from that menhera arc of hers.

>>58753198
Since when was Kronii afraid of unicorns?

>>58753480
I have seen comments here threatening them with violence

>>58753924
Wow, you're not being a disingenuous fuck at all, are you?

>>58753702
>>58753873
>These are the people that defend homocollabing
I hope the girls are reading this thread

>>58753896
Like look at this fucking post
>"She learned" from her "menhera arc."
SHE STREAMED WITH HER CO-WORKERS.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

>>58754053
>Doesn't watch streams
>Seething

>>58753931
Do you also take the /ringo/ and /meat/ threads seriously?

>>58754138
unga bunga to you too, tribal.

>>58754202
>admits to it

>>58754027
not an argumetn

>>58754053
>SHE STREAMED WITH HER CO-WORKERS.
Tempus are in a separate branch. They aren't her coworkers. And they're men which means they belong nowhere near Hololive.

>>58754162
yes. I think they should be banned

>>58754318
Aye alright you stupid faggot.
Stop making shit up
>Sounded like an abused spouse
She sounded like she always does.
>Says she wouldn't talk to them at all
No wonder.
What the fuck am I supposed to argue against, be less of a faggot

>>58754340
>Tempus are in a separate branch.
So she shouldn't stream with Myth? Okay.

>>58754053
That wasn't the menhera stuff she was doing anon.

>>58754422
>the thing we're talking about isn't the thing we're talking about
brilliant.

>>58754537
retard

>>58754406
Gen =/= Branch

>>58754566
great point, anon.

Unicorns
>Warn the girls about something that can potentially harm their entire fanbase
>Does so despite the harassment levvied against them
>Is proven to always be correct in their advice
>Is somehow a bad person for articulating what the fanbase is interested in

>>58754406
Myth and Council are in the same branch, retardchama.

>>58754717
>>58754854
so she shouldn't collab with ID or JP, then?

>>58754905
Holo ID and Holo JP are still Hololive and still girls. Tempus isn't Hololive and they aren't girls despite being dickless.

>>58754422
>unfortunately idol culture is a thing
I laugh every time.

>>58754905
I don't know how the fuck your comprehension of them not being coworkers means they cant collab. HoloJP wouldn't be allowed to collab with NijiJP too then.

>>58755186
Because >>58754340 led off with:
>Tempus are in a separate branch.
to his list of reasons.

I didn't even respond to him saying they aren't co-workers because that's just idiotic.

>>58755379
They aren't co-workers

>>58755379
>I didn't even respond to him saying they aren't co-workers
Because you're wrong?
Cope, sister. You lost.

>>58755486
>>58755535
They also don't love you and aren't your friend.

>>58754814
>Your opinion is the minority and most people are fine with male collabs
>The girls want to collab with the males, they are just afraid of (You)
>The girls want to collab with the males, they are just afraid of the fans.
(You are here)
>The fans are wrong for their opinion and the girls would want to collab with males otherwise
>Both the fans and girls should be forced to take part in content that suits the modern western world.

>>58755860
He's a unicorn defender, retard. Can't you smell one of your own?

>>58755946
Im not arguing with the post you stupid tranny

>>58754340
>men are le bad

>>58755751
Have you at least officially transitioned so your parents know they've got the disappointment of a genetic dead end?

>>58754422
>>58755105
It's true though

>>58756304
Literally no one asked her to do that, she was copying Britney Spears.

>>58756293
have you?

>>58756370
>no u
Embarrassing.
I'll accept your concession though >:3

>>58756464
>Embarrassing.
Yet not quite as much as thinking a vtuber cares about you.

>>58756579
its trooning out

>>58756624
Careful to avoid the blood splatter when it necks itself, stand back

>>58736611
>>58741559
It is just mountain German, what is different
2 countries are fucking cringe

The wailing and gnashing of teeth from homobeggars and sisters when Kiara's comments post-Magni/Vesper graduation were truly delightful.

>>58756904
RUMAO
sums up the impotent seethe perfectly
god i love laughing at them after the "TWO MORE WEEKS" shit, only to be faced with losing two of "DA BOIZ"

>>58756904
I can fix her

>>58754393
Anon the fact that she had to address this nothingburger on stream is the fucking issue.
People keep saying they are not scared and then they go on to address shit like this on stream.

>>58754814
>Warn the girls about something that can potentially harm their entire fanbase
Is the "harm" you are talking about the non-ending shit flinging and harassment they will receive from these unicorns over this?
Saving them from what they are going to do to them if they don't obey?
Because nobody else gives a shit.

>>58758020
Durr she had to address it because Cover is fucking scum and she shouldnt have been part of it to begin with

>>58758130
No, the harm is a 50% loss in merch revenue and 70% lower median CCV.
The girls have literally never been harassed.

>>58758167
>she had to address it
In no sane universe should she have had to address it.

>>58758020
>lying in a members stream, immediately 360ing then crying to cover to protect you is a nothingburger
My sides KEK

>>58758261
Stop being retarded. In no sane universe would Cover have put her in that situation.

>>58754027
>I hope the girls are reading this thread
I sure do. Then again, they probably understood Unicorns are deranged and violent. (but of course, considering the original myth)
The homobeggars can be bad too, but they're twitter freaks level at most.

>>58758250
>numbers I cherry picked
>numbers I misrepresented
>numbers I just made up
Okay. I guess Kronii has the lowest CCV and supa revenue in EN now.
You said it so it must be true.

>>58758350
>>58758385
Cope

>>58758296
Can you stop huffing glue long enough to keep track of a conversation you absolute fucking retard?

>>58758430
I'm going to cope by watching Kronii's 3D showcase and later on by scanning the numbers thread for lewd pics and incidentally reading past all the cope about why her numbers keep being higher than she deserves

>>58756904
I hate vesties with a passion. No fanbase is not abrasive and cancerous on the entire board. They'll throw over tempus boys under the bus on a moments notice, encourage the homobegging, and blatantly lie to defend their oshi. Scum of the earth, all of them. They deserve their loss

>>58758469
It's hard when you troonbeggars keep moving the goalposts. What imaginary argument am I meant to be fighting against now?

>>58758020
>>58753702
>>58753873
https://streamable.com/yn7z9a
Nice historical revisionism homobeggar. Irys told you fucks to go to other members and fuck off. Not the other way around.

>>58758578
Lewds will be posted around 17 hours from now and it will be JP girls

>>58758600
I'm sorry reading is so fucking hard for you.
Is it because you are ESL?
Or are you just an idiot?

>>58758600
Not him but what IS the argument?
The fact that girls fear the Unicorns are true, just don't the way people think. Both sides have threatening retards and the numbers can be counted with two hands at most. But some girls like their paypigs.
Also, stop running with
>Irys was forced to join
It is such a fucking cope. She could just have refused, but then losing big opportunity with Microshart. (Which is important due to Hololive autism with permission)

>>58758670
I don't give a shit who the lewds are of.

>>58758804
Let me spell it out as your ESL comprehension couldn't comprehend it.
Make an argument, and you'll get a response worthy of it. All you do is fling shit and hope it sticks while deflecting from the PAINFUL loss that is your beggars abandoning you in droves.
Was that in simple enough English for you?

>>58758296
what the F are you talking about?

>>58758657
What are you blabbering about now?
Nobody every said anything about IRyS collabing.
The issue was that some forced sponsored stream was enough for your fucks to get riled up and forced her to say on stream how it's not a big deal and she wouldn't even talk to them and they aren't even in the same VC.

I'll just highlight the point for you here because you seem a little slow.
IRyS was scared that her fans would turn on her because of a nothingburger and was forced to do damage control.
And that kind of relationship with your fans is fucking sad

>>58758261
this

>>58758881
seethe

>>58758977
You literally just barged into a fucking argument about IRyS, made some vague post about who I assume was Kronii, and are now mad that I don't have an argument for you?
How about you fuck off out of this conversation you never should have entered in the first place.

>>58759111
If what you say is true, which it clearly isn't, so what?
Fans are still getting what they want. IRyS is getting what she wants. Homos are still 2view shitters.
Everything is fine.

>>58759111
>le already forgotten about IRyS arc that the beggars got BTFO'd with
it's all so tiresome...

>>58759219
The IRyS shit is the fakest "yab" you sisters were bellyaching in the catalog about for days, before she shitstomped your troon asses back into hiding.
Don't try to revise history. As I said, come up with a real argument. It's just humiliating.
You lost, btw

>>58759241
why don't you try going back to red dit you faggot

>>58759111
>Nobody every said anything about IRyS collabing.
I'm a homobeggar and you are fucking retarded. Literally the point of contention was
>beggars:She doesn't have to address this
>corns:Yes she does
>beggars:That's fucked up
>corns:No, it comes with the culture(?)
How the fuck anyone can reach compromise and find peace, I don't know. Unicorns draw a hard line on male interaction on screen. This is non-negotiable.

>>58759632
>Unicorns draw a hard line on male interaction on screen.
And yes, apparently this includes twitter, which I find absolutely fucking asinine.

>>58758469
>Can you stop huffing glue
Kek

>>58759698
Taking advantage of a social media push from troons to be more in a public space.
Why should some faggot get a reply because 2000 literal whos follow him?

>>58759448
>beggars telling /vt/ users to go back
R U M A O
U
M
A
O

>>58759632
>beggars:She doesn't have to address this
You mean everyone who is not a unicorn.
Have your won talking points rotted your brain already?
Do you finally believe that everyone is either a unicorn or a homobeggar?

>>58759974
False. The majority were upset, a minority(unicorns) have more openness and honest personality traits and brought it up for the sake of the majority.

>>58759111
>video evidence of beggar harassing her linked in post
>Ignores video evidence
>Makes claims
>Provides zero evidence
Go back to lereddit. People might believe bold faced lies over there. I actually have video evidence and real arguments.

>>58760019
>everyone watching is a actually a unicorn deep down inside
Please tell me more about this "silent majority" cope you keep going on about

>>58717240
He got better.

>>58760240
Anon your whole argument is based on the HLZNTL collab, which is the first time the silent majority spoke up about the problem.
Cover learned the hard way, ReGloss had only the slightest relation to HLZNTL and they still can't get 200k subs.

>>58760064
>Makes claims
Which claims did I make? This entire fucking thread nobody said anything about homobeggars until you barged in with the chip on your shoulder ready to talk to anyone who would listen about the bogeyman that totally justifies your paranoid delusions.
I don't give a shit.
Fuck off.

>>58759974
True, but beggars specifically pointed out in context of working with Holostars. Especially since everyone is under the same fucking banner of HOLO PRODUCTION - COVER CORP.
Normies simply bewildered about why the debate even exists in the first place, though their values lined up with the beggars.

>>58760371
>ReGloss, which got mega culled by youtube, and still got insane CCV regardless, is a flop because... HLZNTL also exists.
Everything that flops is because of males.
Everything that doesn't flop is because of no males.
Anything that flops with no males secretly has males somewhere.
Anything that doesn't flop with males is going to flop soon, any day now.

I'm glad you filled us in on how the world works anon.

>>58760541
It's baffling how unicorns claim anyone not with them is against them but they are still somehow the majority.

>>58760398
>Which claims did I make?
>Irys is scared of her fans
>source: dude trust me I can read her mind and am very well acquainted with how women think

>>58760628
Anon you can cope about it how you like but its been shilled hard enough.
The hardcore fanbase knows and is subscribed to ReGloss.
The casual fanbase has chosen not to subcribe.

>>58760796
The casual fanbase has been purged by youtube
This is easily verified information.
And once again, despite that they were successful enough on launch, even with nobody knowing what the fuck they even are.

>>58760240
HLZNTL flopped. Next cope, sister?

>>58760706
>but they are still somehow the majority.
Here's the funny part. We know Kronii lost 70% ccv and 50% merch sales.
So people who stay are the 30%, who is fine with her homocollabing and being a Korean menhera about it.
What does this say? It means the 70% are pissy unicorns, who bought only 50% of the merch.
I let you make your own conclusion based on this data, because sure as hell this is polar opposite to what would happen in IRL Idol scandal (assuming they don't get chased out of the industry). They lost 30% audience, same merch sales loss.
>>58760796
>The casual fanbase has chosen not to subcribe.
Of course not. Youtube kept culling them out. Many won't bother to resubscribe for this alone.

>>58761021
No, ReGloss have been culled the least out of any gen since the culls started.

>>58761040
Don't bring math into this, any percent above 41% confuses them

>>58761022
>nobody wants to watch a sponsored shill stream of OW played with unbalanced teams where at least half don't want to be there.
Shocking.
It must be because there are men.

>>58761177
Over 200k people watched Pokemon Unite.
Is that balanced?

>>58761177
I asked for the next cope, not seethe. Try to keep up, I only asked one question.

>>58761040
>So people who stay are the 30%
Which includes the general Hololive audience, not just fans of Kronii specifically.

>>58761177
Anon. People didn't preemptively know tbe girls would lose that bad. All of them had their worst CCV EVER except for towa.
You're burrying your head in the sand. It's a fact that unicorns bring in the money no matter how much you whine about it. Most JPs don't pander to unicorns for shit and giggles. They do it because it's tbe easiest way to maximize income. And they won't stop any time soon. Simple as.

>>58760019
This is what unicorns actually believe

>>58761040
>We know Kronii lost 70% ccv
Based on what? Her top streams of all time compared to current average? Her current normal streams get around 4-5k, am I supposed to pretend that she was averaging 15k last year? I have no idea what numbers you cooked to get that but it's some legit fucking copium.
Her CCV went down over time and so did everyone's.
>50% merch sales.
Once again what is this based on? The one birthday merch sale that had horrendous shipping and shitty merch not even Kronii could shill properly?

The facts are that both her CCV and supa numbers are staying consistently in the top half of EN and no amount of cope and massaging numbers by you is going to change that.

>>58761593
>Meanwhile homocollabers are stuck believing that IRyS is in an abusive relationship with her fanbase

>>58761257
What the fuck do you think those words even mean?

>>58761581
I have no idea about the JP market.
Unicorns keep coping with "It's okay for Stars JP but not EN" so I assumed they weren't as rabid over there.
The entire event was JP only so whatever turnout there was is entirely on the JP audience.

>>58761581
The real question is did all the girls now lose their fanbases forever because of male collabs or did the people who don't care to watch just didn't and went right back to watching them after?

>>58761779
Any it's ok for JP posting was originally done for humour. It always depended on the specific situation.
People started using it in a very serious way in 2023 as a coping measure for whorish behaviour

>>58761605
>Her current normal streams get around 4-5k, am I supposed to pretend that she was averaging 15k last year? I have no idea what numbers you cooked to get that but it's some legit fucking copium.
You haven't seen her lowest low during the whole collab arc, you fucking asinine retard. Or maybe you did and you pretend it didn't happen now that she became a walking fanservice, you came crawling back and "Forgives her".

>>58761605
Kronii is the only holo in the history of hololive that had to do a second shill stream and had to have the sales period extended because they couldn't get rid of her limited birthday merch. Most of them sell theirs out in seconds. And that's an easily verifiable fact because the stream is still up.
Let that sink in.

>>58761669
You tell me, as the resident seethebeggar KEK

>>58761861
>did the people who don't care to watch just didn't and went right back to watching them after?
Yes
People who pretend homocollab are permanently damaging are deluded. As soon as men gone off the screen, they came back like they did yesterday.

>>58762209
Nah it's different.
You sisters don't kniow the importance and value placed on Hololive.
I will watch Kronii's 3D showcase. Why? Because if somehow she was to be upset about the turnout, it will make her friends upset too.
I care a lot about her friends. I do not want them to be upset.
So, I will support Kronii the same way I do other girls that aren't my favourites.

>>58762209
>As soon as men gone off the screen
MY SIDES
Of course the beggar is ESL. EVERY. TIME.

>>58762091
>her lowest low is what I will compare to her highest high
I see, so that's how you got your retarded numbers.
Good to know.

>>58718812
lol