/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5867082
Get with the times old man or are you still a /pol/fag

>>5867082
It's like Bitcoins but more retarded. You don't even "Own" the jpg you own a ticket that is tied to a LINK to the jpg.
Still the faster people ban NFT the better it's a pure scam that fucks people over more than fucking the crypto coin scam

I saw Brave Group was selling some NFTs. They should focus more on selling their music. Same with Kizuna.

>>5867127
NFTs are not crypto, NFTs are a scam

>>5867139
Kizuna is a terrible singer though

Eh, if someone's retarded enough to buy an NFT they deserve to be ripped off

>>5867082
You've done the unthinkable, OP. [Spoiler]You've made me support Gura in the subs war, and I fucking hate numberfags[/spoiler].

>NFT's are scams
What can I expect from retards lol. What's the difference between you owning a land and you don't? A piece of paper that says that. Now imagine that piece of paper was kept as a copy by millions of people. If someone say they owned your land and showed their papers, the other million people can show their copy and say the person is lying. That's how NFT work.

>>5867359
>Joining the subs war after the winner's been decided

>>5867404
you can squat on a house but you can't squat on a fucking jpg, retard

>>5867127
What's the link between NFT and pol? What?

>>5867404
You need to go outside and get off of /g/
A worthless JPG is still a worthless JPG.
But keep running up that electric bill and thinking your worthless link is going be work a gorillion dollars someday

>>5867434
But you can have the prestige of owning the original copy of that jpeg. NFT are as much as a scam as art in museums are.

>>5867582
>NFT are as much as a scam as art in museums are.
if you're trying to convince me that art shouldn't be free to the public then you're on the wrong website

>>5867582
More like art online or any online good at that. People who say, buy games in Steam, are no better than NFTfags.

>>5867139
Hoshimeguri Gakuen also has some NFTs. I wouldn't be surprised if both Anycolor and Cover also decide to do NFTs. Only a matter of time.

What are the japs opinion on NFT? Or at least in this tweet?

>>5867082
>Kizuna Ai washed up and a minion for the Chinese government
How?

>>5867582
You don't own the original copy. You own a certificate that says you own the original copy

>>5870199
Which thousands of others have the same sheet of paper. You just decided to help mine bitcoins for the corpo like a good moron

>>5867582
Hey, would you like to gain the prestige of owning the Statue of Liberty? Just give me 100 million dollars and I'll give you a certificate that says you own it. Totally legit. I promise.

>>5867082
we get it chumbud, your cunny shark had won. it's over, go home

>>5868737
They can't get over about Kizuna AI having a localized version and a channel on Bilibili. They could say she was responsible for Coco's dismissal if they could.

>>5867404
The only reason land deeds are worth anything is because the government residing over that land provides enforcement of that deed AND it's a limited resource. The JPG is useless because you can copy it without the NFT and the NFT is useless because there are no guns or courts enforcing it.

>>5871492
You wouldn't download a land plot (tm)

>>5867582
what benefit does that give me other than waving my dick around that I "own" an intangible thing that took as much power as a small city to generate?

>>5871234
No amount of deflection in an attempt to instigate faction warfare is going to erase the fact that Kizuna Ai is a filthy fucking scammer being sockpuppetted by the Chinese

>>5867129
sounds like you're a brainlet that doesn't know how investing works if you think bitcoin is a scam. The entire financial system works exactly like bitcoin.

Fiat currency was a mistake

>>5867082
Cool. I'm just glad that even though you hate her so much, you are not seriously going to do anything about it irl. You're just going to make threads like this everyday on a monggolian paper folding forums. This brings me relief.

>>5867082
No fucking way. This has to be a joke. If this is real then the Holo reddit shark might as well become the new oyabun because there's nothing respectable in the name of Kizuna Ai anymore.

>>5871992
But that's the point!
Embrace the infinite excess of modern capitalism

>>5872898
Nope, it's 100% real

>https://twitter.com/KizunaAIinc/status/1410217231393312770

>>5872986
>goth AI
>Kizuna AI NFTs
>a new figure

Is this the correct moment to say that Kizuna AI has jumped the shark

>>5867404
NFT art are scam used to launder money. You don't own the jpeg, you own the hyperlink that directs to that jpeg. If something happens and they stop hosting that image, your NFT becomes useless
And anybody can make a NFT and sell it despite not being the original creator

>>5867082
NFT are a fucking scam, like is so obvious it should be fucking illegal.

>>5867582
This faggot really thinks that a fucking code> Art from hundreds of years ago by famous artists

Please kill yourself faggot

>>5867404
serious question, how does NFT work?

this is really painful, it's like watching your childhood hero eat dog shit for $10

>>5873455
You just get a cryptographically signed voucher saying you "own" the original of the image (but you don't actually own it or have the copyright or anything)

>>5873455
>be you
>upload png, host the picture somewhere and get that link
>turn that link into an eth token. That means everyone on the ethereum network knows your wallet owns the link that was turned into a NFT
And that's a NFT. If the imagine disappears from the hosting site, the NFT becomes worthless. You also don't get proof of ownership for the original artwork, nor copyright

>>5872234
Bitcoin doesn't have a state.

>>5873455
Bitcoin/Blockchain/Cryptocurrency is a peer to peer network of computers that record every transaction performed. Typically you've got a lot of computers solving math problems to generate money or charge a fee to process the transaction being made by others.

NFT just records to that chain that you own a JPEG hyperlink like those star naming companies say you named a star.

>>5874124
>>5873485
>>5874267
>>5874036
In concept it makes logical sense, most services like this are superfluous to the original thing in question, however, slowly overtake it as its use case in the modern world and society becomes more apparent, but in actuality, the concept under the bus here is ownership of IP, which the government will never cede to a company like this, and has no interest in legislating since crypto is already something they don't like or understand.

>>5873485
It's no more of a scam than gacha

>>5874515
>It's no more of a scam than gacha

Who wants to tell him

>>5867082
So where did this streamed?
I don't see it in YT

>>5872093
Whatever you say chumbud, go watch more cunny shark.

>>5872986
>>5873056
See you later when you buy Gura's official NFT

>>5875052
>https://twitter.com/KizunaAIinc/status/1410217231393312770

It was on Twitter. I can see why she didn't announce it on stream lol

>>5875118
Imagine wasting money on an NFT when you can just send a $5 superchat and have it be as tangible as an NFT is

>>5874848
tell me what?
that vtubers are a scam? theyre not, theyre an outlet vice, like alcohol. Men physically need to care for other women and are repressed because of feminism. Waifu culture, vtubers, and other parasocial relationships are the steamvalve that has kept the world from erupting into violence a little longer. Without it it's very likely the west would be like superjapan or the middle east, filled with murder or suicide.

>>5875118
your oshi just sold her body to ccp for yen.png
how does it feel?

>>5875127
>>5872986
>another model
Unless it's just a skin, she's gonna tnak again if she tries to do the Multiple AIs again.
>NFT
Holy shit, her overlords are really intent on pushing any scam they can using her. Poor Kizuna.

>>5874515
God this is why no one likes the biz underage b&

>>5874267
>like those star naming companies say you named a star
Then it's the same thing. You can brag about having named a star, but other than that, it's worth nothing, unless the retards can convince others to part with their money for it.

>>5875238
Gacha is a scam, just like all gambling is. NFTs are a worse scam though, because at least with gambling you have a chance to get money back. NFTs don't even offer that.

This NFT trash is obviously a higher-up decision.

>>5875441
>gacha
>because at least with gambling you have a chance to get money back
are you retarded?
don't answer that.
>>5875330
what kind of board do you think /biz/ is?
No one in there has a degree in business, entrepreneurship, or even just hobbyists, they're day trading retards. Nasfaq is the complete biz experience, only better because there is way less pajeet shilling.

>>5867082
Daily reminder this is a paid shill doing damage control for Hololive.

There is nothing wrong with the technology of NFTs.
It's the evolution of art using blockchains.
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy one if they don't want it.
People already buy wallpaper and other goods of their favorite artist.
This is not really different from that.

People want to feel special and having a proved unique NFT is a way to do it.

>>5875324
>>5875275
It's a complicated kind of feel watching AI get banged in all her orifices by her management/the Chinese/scams on her birthday while she sits stagnant with a pile of dead subs while a shark with like 0 creative ability cruises past her in numbers

It's like going back to your hometown and seeing the girl you liked in high school at the supermarket and she's obviously on meth and has 5 kids

>>5875524
Isn't she the higher-up?

And how much does she charge for this 'prestige' JPG?

>>5875052
You can watch the archive on spwn:
https://virtual.spwn.jp/events/2106301901-kizunaai

>>5875587
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG MY PYRAMID SCHEME HONEY HERBALIFE CHANGED MY LIFE

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY IT

>>5875532
>at least with gambling you have a chance to get money back.
>gambling

Anonchama can you read or does your ESL hold you back that much in life

>>5875647
Are you saying art is a pyramid scheme?
Did you get banned from the art museum when you were a child because you tried to set fire to it?

>>5875587
You don't even fucking know what an NFT is holy fuck

>>5875643
I wonder how much she'll charge for NFT nudes.

>>5875713
>implying NFTs are art

Don't even try to confuse the issue by trying to do the 'bbbbbbut are museums theft then???' bullshit because nobody falls for it because it's blatantly fucking obvious that NFTs do not correlate to 'art' in this scenario

What are NFTs even?

>>5875645
poorfag here, can't access it

>>5875733
They should hire you on their business side, anon

>>5875827
>What are NFTs even?

A scam where somebody sells you a hyperlink that names you as the 'owner' of a image on the internet. The RL equivalent would be somebody selling you a certificate saying that you owned a picture, but the picture isn't real and not in your possession; it's a virtual image.

>>5876021
So, it's literally buying and selling memes? What the fuck.
Like, I can just buy this image and then brag about how I own this image whenever someone else posts it?

>>5875947
She's already whoring herself out to old Japanese men and the Chinese, if she's doing NFTs now too this is the next logical step.

Hell, do custom NFT nudes. Do porn. Why not? She's already crossed the line, what's the point of pretending anymore?

>>5875688
Can you? Do you even know what money is?

>>5876085
>Like, I can just buy this image and then brag about how I own this image whenever someone else posts it?

Yes, precisely. Case in point:
>>5867582
>But you can have the prestige of owning the original copy of that jpeg.

It is literally people charging the simple minded large sums of money for them to pretend they own an image on the internet.

>>5875827
See OP's pic?
This would be a NFT of OP's pic <https://i.4cdn.org/vt/1625063612047.jpg> (turn it into non fungible token)
Now imagine you try to check the same address 2 months later, you would get error because the image was already deleted from the server. The same shit happens with NFTs when the host of the website goes under and closes, or he changes it to dolphin porn
>>5876085
Worse, you own the link where the image is hosted

>>5876173
Wait, so the joke behind 4chan Gold will become a reality in the future? Slippery slope, but I can see where that is going.
>owning image
>image has some tags
>start segregating based on tags
You can make a new world order with this if you manage to scam enough retards.

>>5867082
NFT stands for Non Functioning Trash

>>5876196
>Worse, you own the link where the image is hosted
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what the actual fuck. This is so blatant I'm sure it'll be the new fad next year, because people are THAT retarded.

>>5867127
Why is any attempt at critical thinking a cause for someone to be a "/pol/fag"

Seeing bunch of pseudo intellectual liberal media pump up this scam was so satisfying

>>5876391
Just drown the pseudointellectuals out. As long as you don't actually veer into /pol/faggotry, it's fine.

>>5876250
>You can make a new world order with this if you manage to scam enough retards.

Apparently AI thinks her fans are retards

>>5876613
I want to think this is a higher-up decision, and she's just following along.

how much do i pay for a copy of kizuna ai?
i want her real va with impregnation option included.

At least each person gets a different art, right?
Or it's just the same art to everyone who bought the link?

>>5875588
i'm sorry anon but someone had to take it for the team

>>5876812
How much can you offer?

>>5876812
I hate that I can recognize this fucker.

>>5875587
Your NFT scam will be reported to the police, enjoy the few hours till your corpo is struck with massive scam legal issues.

>>5875713
How delusional are people defending NFT, i know you love your oshi who sells them, but it doesn't make it less of a scam. The best you can do as a fan is to tell her she's fuckin up

How do the JP fans feel about NFTs? If an EN agency attempted something like this, I imagine they'd be attacked by everyone except groveling redditors.

>>5876933
$5 and she can keep the change but i want her to keep singing while we're doing it

>>5877195
No idea. I hope some eleven is dumpsterdiving this thread and can warn the others about how stupid this decision is.

>>5877165
If you ask me the one who is delusional is the one who tries to go against change because of his old views and refuses to look at the world for what it is.
The fact it attracts attention and money is a good proof that there is a desire for it.
NFTs have a bright future and you have seen nothing of its true potential yet.
You will find it difficult to give the same opinion openly in a decade without people laughing at you.

>>5875118
If she does that it will be the first time i go full autistic and complain to the company, this is worse than the betterhelp scam youtubers were promoting.

By the way there is an english page for her spwn archive here:
https://virtual.spwn.jp/events/2106301902-kizunaai

>>5873455
>Me paying to own this image
>Gets hyperlink link to it
>it's mine now
>NOOO DON'T DOWNLOAD AND SHARE IT AROUND

>>5867082
>NTF
I'm glad Gura is number one now.

>>5876085
you are buying the hash of an image that was put through a massive algorithm that requires weeks of time and hundreds of dollars of electricity to compute
once you have that hash, that's it, you have the hash of the picture all to yourself
what do you do with it? sell it to someone who wants it more than you for money

>>5877295
So what is it's potential?

>>5877473
will i be billionir if copy + paste image 999999x?

>>5877660
>you are buying the hash of an image
>>5876196
>you own the link where the image is hosted
Who do I believe?

>>5867582
>NFT are as much as a scam as art in museums are.
>he doesn't know

>>5877761
I think they are the same, anon

>>5877761
>But there’s one significant gap in the system ensuring that an NFT is held together: NFTs use links to direct you to somewhere else where the art and any details about it are being stored. And as anyone who has browsed the internet before should know, links can and do die. So what happens if your NFT breaks down and points to nothing?
>Very little data is stored directly inside an NFT, though. The NFT includes information on where you can find a description of the artist’s name and the title of the work, but that information is not typically on the blockchain itself. NFTs include information on where you can find the artwork they represent, but the actual artwork is still a link away.
>Traditional URLs pose real problems for NFTs. The owner of the domain could redirect the URL to point to something else (leaving you with, perhaps, a million-dollar Rickroll), or the owner of the domain could just forget to pay their hosting bill, and the whole thing disappears. The animation that Grimes sold for $389,000 is primarily sourced to a pair of traditional URLs, which could break down if either of the two different companies (Nifty Gateway, the auction site; or Cloudinary, the web host) went under. As the buyer, this is something you’d have no control over, unless you’re wealthy enough to buy out the entire domain and pay to keep it online.
>To solve that problem, many NFTs turn to a system called IPFS, or InterPlanetary File System. Rather than identifying a specific file at a specific domain, IPFS addresses let you find a piece of content so long as someone somewhere on the IPFS network is hosting it. Grimes’ NFT uses this as a backup, and Beeple’s NFT uses this primarily. That means a multitude of hosts, rather than a single domain owner, could be ensuring these files remain online. This system also gives buyers control. They can pay to keep their NFT’s files online. They still have to remember to pay the hosting bill, but they can host it anywhere in the IPFS network.
>Still, the system has flaws. The team behind Check My NFT has been looking inside of NFTs to see if their IPFS addresses actually work, and in several cases, they’ve found files that just won’t load. The team found artworks that were temporarily missing from major artists, including Grimes, deadmau5, and Steve Aoki. The files came back online eventually, but only after the team called attention to their absence. The files have to be actively available on the network for the system to work, and unlike with a domain owner, no host has a singular responsibility to do that for files on IPFS.

>>5877678
the tech behind it has potential like crypto, but also like crypto the actual implementation has no value past being some speculative asset for rich tech nerds

>>5875588
Ai has over a dozen people portraying her at this point.

>>5872986
>BLACKED AI
maybe they're just fucking with us?

>>5878173
>>The team behind Check My NFT has been looking inside of NFTs to see if their IPFS addresses actually work, and in several cases, they’ve found files that just won’t load. The team found artworks that were temporarily missing from major artists, including Grimes, deadmau5, and Steve Aoki. The files came back online eventually, but only after the team called attention to their absence. The files have to be actively available on the network for the system to work, and unlike with a domain owner, no host has a singular responsibility to do that for files on IPFS.

I have to admit, if I were an unscrupulous con artist, I'd probably try to get in on this too. This is the dumbest scam I've heard of since timeshares.

>>5878226
they're known as oji's daughter since they were born after og AI got fucked

>>5877678
you can turn any item into a completely unique digitized item that has an unchangeable record
like Blockchain, having the ability to create unchangeable logs of shipping and manufacturing data for factories

>uh oh spinach is contaminated
>pull up the record of the contaminated spinach
>trace back to latest location all of them were
>can pull up all the other spinach that left the location that time
>know exactly where all the bags are to recall them

>>5878220
Isn't there a crypto where Ellon invested a lot of money and endorsed it so many people invested in it as well then suddenly Ellon took out all of his investments and the whole thing crashed?

>>5878531
yes, Dogecoin
>Elon Musk get slapped around by SEC for manipulating Tesla stock
>has to stop tweeting about it
>tweets about doge coin after he buys a shitload of it
>goes straight up
>dumps all his stock of it
>immediately drops back down
>no one is punished because crypto is unregulated so retards who fall for this lose everything they put in

>>5878487
retard here, can you simplify?

>>5878762
>Take thing
>run it through NFT algorithm
>puts it into blockchain
>now there is an unchangeable record of it
>this is useful for some things
current NFTs are not useful at all but the tech behind them is

>>5878173
>Traditional URLs pose real problems for NFTs. The owner of the domain could redirect the URL to point to something else (leaving you with, perhaps, a million-dollar Rickroll), or the owner of the domain could just forget to pay their hosting bill, and the whole thing disappears. The animation that Grimes sold for $389,000 is primarily sourced to a pair of traditional URLs, which could break down if either of the two different companies (Nifty Gateway, the auction site; or Cloudinary, the web host) went under. As the buyer, this is something you’d have no control over, unless you’re wealthy enough to buy out the entire domain and pay to keep it online.

Holy shit, who on earth would fall for this??

>>5878838
NFT is just digital art being sold as material art is, it needs an original signature to validate that piece of art as the original, it is done trough blockchain in the internet.
like material pieces of art where can make several copies with a copier, you can save various copies on your computer
but NFT signature is what gives your the certified original, in the art market its the valuable thing.

also, to be a real NFT it needs to be on a decentralized blockchain validation system, lots of what people are describing here in this thread are not real NFT or its being wrong described.
a blockchain cannot be destroyed unless the whole internet goes down

>>5875626
No, she was given the ceremonial position of "creative consultant" or some shit like that.

>>5879201
Digital art is not material art, there is absolutely no value to holding the 'original' of a piece of digital art

>>5867127
What does /pol/ have to do with this? Take your meds

>>5879954
>telling on yourself like this
jesus christ

>>5879201
>but NFT signature is what gives your the certified original
That's not what a NFT signature contains
>lots of what people are describing here in this thread are not real NFT or its being wrong described.
a blockchain cannot be destroyed unless the whole internet goes down
That doesn't mean you won't be getting 404'd when you use that link, since the info contained in a NFT is just a link

>>5867082
you think hololive won't jump on this? lol

>>5880089
Nice deflection

>>5871312
It's because AI refered to Taiwan as province of China

>>5880089
here, print this (You) and buy yourself a hobby

>Bots on Twitter
https://twitter.com/hashtag/%E3%82%AD%E3%82%BA%E3%83%8A%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4?src=hashtag_click&f=live
>Sells NFTs

So uh can those two schizos stop concern trolling with NFTs now? It's over.

>>5876139
my states money is worth less than the paper it's printed on brother

>>5880979
>state money
Try foreign money. Mine is worth a quarter.

>>5880979
And even that paper is worth more than gacha potato in the head ed boy

>>5880226
Only the Kizuna localised for China did that

>>5880226
That was Ai-ge, not Ai.

Watch the tone switch when Hololive eventually does this.

>>5885765
People shit on Hololive for their business practices all the time, no one should be able to get away with NFTs.

>>5879963
Who are you quoting? Take your meds already. You're hallucinating

>>5867082
I mean, it's basically the same as taking superchat donations except the fan gets something back that may or may not become worthless. If people are willing to buy it then it's nobody else's business

>>5889752
>"It's fine if vtubers scam people, it's their own fault if they fall for it"

Is this the caliber of Kizuna Ai fans?

>>5890048
I don't love it but it is what it is, I guess some higher-up suggested this as a way to boost their earnings. If she goes hardcore shill for this I might stop following her

>>5880089
>>5885765
People shit on Hololive and Cover all the time, they’re basically under a microscope 24/7. If, and that’s an if retards, they start shilling it people will call them out on what is basically a scam.

>>5867157
Imagine being this retarded. In the next 10 years you're gonna be seeing NFTs everywhere and by 2030 they won't be called NFTs anymore.

>>5879982
>link
wtf are you even talking about. do you actually know what a blockchain is?

>>5885539
She looks exactly like Ai & calls herself Kizuna Ai in Chinese, shut the fuck up

>>5879927
imagine if Gura announced she was releasing some NFTs tomorrow. how many people do you think would rush to buy them?

value is just social consensus just like your worthless green paper is worth something even though it's backed by nothing

>>5897223
>different hair
>different voice
>different clothing
But of course you never watched kizuna and are just here to shitpost

>>5897223
anon, not even the Chinese are this dumb. Chinese Ai fans were pissed when upd8 tried to sell Ai-ge to them.

>Right click - Save as
Problem, NFTfags?

>>5900622
"It's ok because I totally own the original"

>>5867582
You see this unremarkable, generic, anime png image? I have a certificate that says I own it and I'm also comparing it to physical art in museums kek

>>5900833
Correct. You can all own the copy of it. It doesn't matter because I and a million other prople have a certificate to prove that I own the original. That physical image over there? I could take a picture and it would literally be the same.

>>5867082
Do NFTs even work like actual copyright? Like for example I buy the exact image of Ai they're selling, can I use that to promote my own shit? If not then what's the point?

>>5878946
People who think the internet and computers are magic

Wait until some suckers get stuck with NFTs that redirect to CP. All that money and effort to get V&

>>5913820
You now own a line of text saying "Congrats I have SUPER SPECIAL LINK THAT I PUT MONEY AND TONS OF PROCESSING POWER INTO!"

Meanwhile Right Click - Save As and this same image is now going to be on YOUR FAVORITE IMAGE HOSTING SITE in a few seconds for FREE

>>5922951
>shilling a completely worthless hyperlink
>instead of a mostly worthless shitcoin
Ai conquered the top, but now she's attempting to monopolize the bottom instead.

>>5876391
Because critical thinking is wrongthink