/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>58654917
Thank you for sharing your opinion anon.

> can't even spell her name right
Downplaying IRyS' singing talent is some of the dumbest bait on this site, and the competition is harsh

>>58654917
The problem is that you're gay.

>>58654917

>>58654917
Agreed, iris is mid compares to Enna

>>58654917
Go suck Kyo Forma De Chad's cock, Enna.

>>58654917
>as a weeb
Hello fellow weebs, i too watch the anime's like gun damn and dragon ballz. I watch the vee toobers too, but I do not understand why filthy weeaboos like them so much?

>>58654917
OP here
I sucks cocks btw

>>58654917
*cums on you*

>>58655255
>>58655277
OP here, I'm not an Enna fan. I agree that her singing is better, but her behavior is disgusting. There's a better singer in NijiJP anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIK-zqAzGFY

>>58655486
Disregard that, I suck cocks

this is peak vtuber performance sounds like. get in here faggots https://www.youtube.com/live/w4WTMR1L8ks?si=m1dZ2BpP-Z6LddJ-

>>58654917
holy smokes im glad her old goblin face is gone

>>58655599
Better Mori
She looks like a whore tho

>nijiJP
and there it is

>>58654917
I looked into it somewhat recently trying to figure out why Gura sounds so good despite being worse then half of the jp girls in technique. And the best explanation I’ve found is uniqueness. Irys is plastic like the mass produced idols or boy bands while all the stand out singers are in hololive have something unique. There is a way around it though and that model is Kanata. Kanata’s control over her voice is something that I can’t explain with my lack of music knowledge but she’s the perfect second to every performance regardless of skill level and when she’s doing a song she goes for intensity. If the song ask for an 8 she does a 9 and if it ask for 3 she does a 4. Listen to her 3D lives or her singing unravel for it that’s what Irys should be doing. If you don’t have a unique gift then go all in on skill and overpower the songs you sing.

>now writing his essays
genuine autism

>>58656566
/vt/ got the worst autism over fucking vtubers

>>58654917
And then a retard completly naturally is gonna talk about Enna and a retard fight is gonna start. Yeah, kys

>>58656706
That generally happen to every singer vtuber related thread even the "non-niji thread'. Honestly tho hololive have chumbud while niji have aloupeeps

>>58654917
I will never get how cover thought her original model was quality enough to release.
I respect Irys for sticking through with it, most people would have quit in the position she was in starting out.

>>58654917
Yeah IRyS has no emotion in her singing. It’s like a robot or something. She is the complete opposite of singers like Aurora, who is you watch her live stuff, even uses her hand movements to further express her emotions.
Gura had more emotion in the past, but the recent stuff is quite lacking now.

>if I repeat the same thing 1000 tikes it will magically be true

>>58654917
she just sounds the same for every song. even on her most hype song, berserker

>>58656027
I agree with the overall point, but unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean as a "unique gift", giving Kanata as an example is one of the worst examples in hololive. She has a unique combination of breath control, power, range, and control over her voice. It lets her hits notes like she did in Unravel in a way that I don't think anyone else in hololive can. Those could just fall under "skill" and if that's the case what are some examples in hololive that would be a "unique gift"?

>>58658331
just listened to that cover and holy shit that was really fucking good

Her music is bad and even Kiara's music does better numbers. When Nerissa starts putting out originals, IRyS will no longer be the v-singer of EN.

forsen

>>58657232
Fuck you, her original model was soul

>>58654917
k homobeggar.

There's no such thing as a 'weeb', weeaboo means a person who sucks jap dick they wouldn't care about some am*rican who speaks japanese and watches anime.

Fuck you redditor, lurk 50 years.

>>58658963
Highly recommend the full concert. One of the best 3d lives in hololive in terms of both singing and dancing/performing.

>>58654917
I don't really enjoy any of the girl's singing. What I enjoy is the fact that they enjoy it.

Since this is a random IRyS thread: what happened to her music? Is she working on an album? It's been a while since I heard anything new from her. They were literally spamming originals for every month at thé beginning

>>58654917
don't worry bro I got you
maybe you should go listen to ame, Fauna and Noel instead then, I'm sure they'll fill your sovl needs, even better go to nijisanji and never come back, there is a lot of that there, the closest one to a holo with sovl is Rosemi

>>58655486
HOLY BASADO

>>58654917
Hololive has some shit songwriters. The girls never get songs that suit their voices, just some generic trash the lowest tier of kpop.

Get the girls songs that sound like they're meant to come from them and they'll shine.

>>58661621
rrat on the street is that since omega got fired, there is no one in charge of music production for IRyS anymore.

>>58654917
nice thread

>>58654917
As a weeb I find Irys' anime taste basic as fuck and disappointing.. but I like her as a streamer, she is a decent entertainer.

Then again girls with good taste I don't necessarily like much, Ina for example. Even Ame has tatse I rather like .. but I don't like Ame much either. Fuwamoco are ultra based taste and ultra based (baused) overall.

>>58654917
her voice is ugly.

>>58657372
It's definitely a sign of natural ability and being self taught. I don't know if that's the case for her or not, but I feel like that's a point that some vocal coaches try to get through to people. I remember during a period of time where I actually wanted to get better at singing and started seeing a vocal coach, one of the first things the dude taught me when we started actually getting into practicing songs was how important conveying the emotions of it was. He even pointed out that when I started to use more emotion in the songs that I even hit notes in the songs that I hadn't been able to hit before and other things I had trouble with seemed to come more naturally. And like you point out, they even said that doing things like hand movements or even just singing with your eyes closed help you bring out those emotional elements too.

>>58670339
Fuwawa is great, Mococo is just discount Marine

>>58673667
>conveying the emotions
As someone that sang for a living for a while before quitting I can tell you the singer feels no emotion singing those emotional songs other than the hype of being in front of large audiences all giving attention. Every "emotional" part of the song is fully rehearsed to figure out what parts to accentuate, be louder, delay a word, breathe and how loud, when to play around, etc. Oftentimes even when to cry on stage is rehearsed, and how hard for how long and how loud with how much tears. Part of IRyS problem for her official song releases is that the producers are trying to go for catchy rather than impact. Similar problem with lyrics. IRyS probably had a song in mind with a certain feel and instead of helping her enhance the song the only help she gets is how to mix it. As for her karaoke in a very real sense her being raised with vocal lessons limits her being expressive when just singing off the cuff. It's like asking a professional boxer that trained their whole life to knock out as quickly and efficiently as possible to take it easy and make a show of it instead. So what you consider her not having enough emotion while singing is just the result of her being too good at singing due to her training.

>>58677444
it got me thinking.
Could it be that a lot of the dumb mistakes or inefficiency in entertainment is just a clash in interests?
So it's not necessarily the mental stupitude of people, it's just people not knowing how to make a product because of bad incentives or discommunication.

>>58655103
IRyS isn't even the best singer of HoloEN.

>>58655103
IRyS is the embodiment of
> It appears my superiority has led to some controversy

>>58677444
let me schizoproject my two cents
I say she has an active distaste for emotionality.
It's because of her sheltered upbringing.
It makes her not experiment, not explore, and not figure out how her mind and soul interact with things. In this case it's music.
She may have desires to do those things, but everything around her is made to discourage her from such "pointless" ventures. All she needs to do is be a good kid and do what she's told.
So she's now a wagie singer discovering how she loves making friends and interacting with people outside. And that takes priority compared to the talent of singing that she has latched on to for all these years

>>58678573
It's actually more basic than that, it's the monetization of artistic expression when the fundamental nature of art clashes with monetary gain. The reason it clashes is because art is born from the artist's need to express themselves about something in their head even at the expense of their own health and relationships and it shouldn't be about money or fame or status, etc. When the artist accepts money in exchange for art it actually cheapens it because you took something invaluable born out of necessity and put a price on it. It's also why artists should have an actual job or significant other for financial stability and have a habit of focusing on the art only at set times. The "clash of interests" your perceiving isn't out of stupidity or discommunication by the industry, it's because of what I wrote previously about real art being invaluable. The people running aka financing the entertainment industry knows this so they pour money into simply copying art as a product, and since it's not real art they can put whatever price they want on it. And everyone fundamentally knows this even if they don't or can't express this. It's why corpo is derided in one sense for not being indie but praised in another for the potential to maximize revenue/capital. It's also why the mindless consumer meme exists. Make no mistake, every talent in Holo, Niji, Vshjo, or whatever other corpo is a product and their purpose is to attract as many mindless consumers/cumsumers as possible for the owner/shareholders and the talents have all made the choice to monetize their artistic expression. We have another word for those kinds of people, sellouts. Not hating, just calling a spade a spade. There's also nothing wrong with selling out as long as they're honest to the consumer about ehat they're getting. Also why mask off moments are hilarious and always a shitshow.

>>58679967
>she has an active distaste for emotionality
She probably does because it goes against what a professional should be. If a professional shows emotion then it better damn well be part of the performance or else they're just an amateur shitting up the stage.

Just compared her ghost cover with suisei's and its obvious that the mixing of the song has a lot to do with how you're perceiving her emotion. Her voice is comparatively more tinny and I'm wondering if the layering of the vocals, while adding richness to her singing voice, takes away from the tonal highs and lows

>>58680540
Well she is an amateur right? So wouldn't she drop that maxim faster considering the fans aren't expecting a professional act anyways? Sure she might not think so but wouldn't her viewers have told her something by now?

>>58685004
A professional is just someone paid to do a thing as their career. IRyS was hired to be a virtual singer so in that sense she is a pro and probably held onto that as her only identity until collabs generated more interest than any of her songs and I agree the fans probably don't really care since they'refans of the personality before anything else. Same thing with AZKi and Suisei. You'll also notice the stupid capitalization for two of them, something about JP naming sense, with Suisei spared the fate because of her pre-existing identity. In most cases Pros can't stop being a pro unless they just quit for years, and even then they could probably jump right back in with only slight hiccups. It's why unless they're some once in a decade or generation breakout talent they should just focus on being entertaining as a person/streamer to be ads and self promotions to generate interest for any performances. The music scene has always been this way, the only difference being it used to be tabloids, gossip, and marketing paid out of pocket instead of tweets and streams. Also there's no real money in being a virtual singer so I don't know why the corpos keep insisting having music branch other than to just to say they have relevancy in music stuff since it's relatively cheap to maintain and is part of entertainment.

>>58677444
Agree. What a lot of vtuber fans thinks of “emotion” in singing is the imperfections of the singer’s vocal, not actual emotions. Most holomem singing sounds emotional because they are very untrained and the imperfection (like failing to hit notes, shouting or just plain fumble with lyrics) tricks an average fan who not necessarily an avid music fan into thinking they have emotional/unique singing. Some professional singers can fake their emotion when needed but normally, they don't feel shit while singing. Most professional singer sings perfectly and any kind of emotion you feel is more from the song lyrics and melody but rarely the vocal itself
You don't even need to look anywhere far, AZKi is probably the master of faking it and I'm giving her praise for it. She sings Inochi in almost every karaoke and always has the same vocal "emotion" at the same part of the song everytime. And that part always has some sort of vocal mistake, she either holds the note for too long, too breathy or doesn't hit the note. You can't honestly tell me that's not something she trains herself to do and she actually feels those emotion all 100 times she sang that song.
Back to IRyS, she's, for better or for worse, a perfectionist when it comes to singing. She refuses to make mistake, imperfection in her singing early on in her vtubing career. And to me she sounds great, perfect even, that's why I love her. But with vtuber fans are so used to SOVL singing, most don't even know what a professional singer sounds like, they branded her the label of "no emotion" and have been stuck with it for over 2 years while IRyS herself has noticed it and has been more relaxed in her karaoke. She still has moments where she goes all out and it's glorious but she also lets herself go and just has fun with the song. She knows what can create the "emotion effect" too, she once commented on how she prefer singing certain song when her vocal is strained/tired because it would make her singing sounds more emotional

>>58655103
Ironmouse mogs her singing

>>58685004
>Well she is an amateur right?
no, she's in all intends or purposes, not an amateur. Even before IRyS, she is by definition a pro.
In term of training, she has more than a decade of singing experience, that's not counting the time before she went on the internet and making covers as an utaite.
In term of career, she's released original singles, album and sang with professional band, had a couple of super popular songs, made an anime song (not a very popular anime but it's still an important mark in her career)
>fans aren't expecting a professional act anyways
general vtuber fans aren't but her fans definitely are. That's why they're her fan to begin with, you don't ever see they complain about "muh emotion". It's other fanbases that called her that (most likely to prop up their own oshi). As her fan, I don't mind the scuff and mistake in her singing, it's fine to let go and have fun. But I much prefer her perfect singing over fake "emotion"

>>58686739
Yeah it usually boils down to ethos vs pathos and what it means for the performer vs the audience and trying to find the right mix or balance, and them money complicates it further. You get similar struggles with writers who keep revising and rewriting to make the story in their head come out perfect on paper, but at some point the book has to be released and not feel bad when no one buys it or actively shits on it. As long as the artist is true to themselves/the art they should regret nothing they sacrificed in service of the art, within reason that is. If they needed baby blood and kitten/puppy tongues for a painting they should probably regret it.

>>58654917

Thanks I just discovered IRyS because of you, I love her singing a lot.

>>58654917
It's weird because her voice itself sounds nice but the way she sings is very sterile, maybe it's a mixing issue or song choice. It's as if she's just speaking to you but melodically, if that makes sense.

>>58692609
>It's as if she's just speaking to you but melodically, if that makes sense.
That's called singing.

>>58686739
to me personally mechanical perfection in singing that isn't suited to my personal taste sounds kind of "boring", like i can appreciate the quality of the singing but since it's not to my taste it just feels kinda samey
you're right in that professional singers will hit that "emotional" note every time without faltering and when singers belt etc and you feel the intensity they're not necessarily feeling the same
it's like acting, someone doing a scene for a lot of takes wont feel the emotion every time

Her best original is Till the end of me. She could grow and go on to make great things but I see no drive or sensibility as an artist, more like a technician. Sure there is external limitations like her subpar support but what is her internal drive in terms of music? I'd root for her if there was one.

>>58686739
>Most professional singer sings perfectly and any kind of emotion you feel is more from the song lyrics and melody but rarely the vocal itself
>But with vtuber fans are so used to SOVL singing, most don't even know what a professional singer sounds like, they branded her the label of "no emotion" and have been stuck with it for over 2 years

It's amazing how you can write up a fairly coherent diatribe while fundamentally misunderstanding that many professional singers go to great lengths to be able to throw the vocal variations in that give their songs the emotional feeling, while acting as though IRyS's refusal to learn these skills and develop as a singer from merely being pitch perfect is some sort of laudable thing. You can look at something like any of LiSA's First Takes to see how she's not making mistakes, as you term them, when she delivers lines differently during different parts of the song but instead is using very subtle and refined techniques, applied in an either very studied and rehearsed manner or instinctively like a savant, instead of merely just hitting the notes. That lack of technical skill and being content with stagnating at merely being able to cover a wide range accurately instead of continuously pushing herself to work on those issues, further hone her craft, and bring those emotions to life is why I would call IRyS an amateur even if she has been getting paid to sing for a very long time, whereas a true professional would never reach a point where they're content and stop pushing themselves even if you sometimes get people who go too far in the opposite direction. Music is fundamentally art, which is why autistic focus on perfection is actually a detrimental mindset, since it precludes you from playing around with elements to produce a greater work that uses those "flaws" for emphasis and producing a memorable experience. I can make a vocaloid be pitch perfect, and yet 99% of people would rather listen to even a mid live vocalist because perfection isn't interesting when it's the sole element of your singing.

>>58661621
Nobody cares and you're among the first people to ask

>>58654917
I agree with you. IRyS's singing is quite bad that the 1 view SEA chuuba I am watching can sing better than her.

>>58698632
I think you misunderstand my post anon. I'm not saying IRyS is a good singer because she sings perfectly. I'm saying most vtuber fans criticizing her for lack of emotion, and praise other hololive singers for having emotions for the wrong reasons.
It's not that she can't put her emotion in singing but that she's not good at faking it. IRyS is not a top tier singer, not even in the Vsinger scene, far from it. Like you said, top tier singers like LiSA is a master at alternating their vocal style to put on certain emotion on their songs and singing. She (LiSA) doesn't always strive for the right technique but for the right uses of it. What she does is not "mistake", it's not the correct technique to sing but it's very intentional for the emotional effect. What most hololive singers do are mistakes, the emotion is just byproduct of it
IRyS isn't any of that, she's self taught and used to cover vocaloid songs with insane precision, that's what she trained herself to do and for what it worth, she does it really good and I like her for it. I'm not saying other should also like her for it and honestly speaking, she could use more training in how and when to use technique in certain way but other than that, saying her singing is bad is disingenuous

>>58701191
I may have misunderstood you then, but terming them "mistakes" implies that they're a bad thing even if being used for a good effect, when they aren't on the fly, whatever works sort of things but instead very planned and deliberate sort of things when dealing with a professional singer and far from being mistakes, are probably the most practiced elements of the vocalist's singing since hitting notes is trivial while getting a healthy, repeatable, and impactful delivery is much harder. I have no problems with IRyS as a singer, even if I don't really enjoy her very clean and precise sound, but while there are some SOVL retards who don't understand a thing, acting as though everyone who castigates IRyS's singing for being overly mechanical and lacking emotion is doing so from a position of ignorance on professional vocalists is also equally as disingenuous. IRyS metaphorically dumping all of her points into control doesn't mean that other singers who might have worse control then her can't exceed her in a whole by leveraging their strengths, and of course personal taste.

>>58654917
At least her skill is better than Mori. Her accent is good for some song like idol

>>58701918
as long as we're on the same page. I did say "most vtuber fans" after all, of course there are genuine criticism in her singing but I'm sure most are just "muh emotion" regurgitated by this board or tribalism rather than trying to take a deeper analysis of her singing style. Personally, I like IRyS not just for her streaming personality but her singing too because it's clean, precise and crystal clear, every word, every syllable, every note are on point. Something even my favorite IRL singers don't have

>>58703061
I guess I disagree with saying most vtuber fans, since even if they can't articulate it since they're lacking the vocab to properly describe it, everyone has had the experience of listening to a singer who managed to put their all into a piece of music while IRyS really struggles to do that even with her originals. Of course, she is held to a higher standard then your average vtuber who doesn't brand themselves as a singer, so I can see why you might feel that's unfair, but if it's so egregious that a layman can listen to her sing and instantly describe why they don't like it as much as someone else, I don't think disregarding their opinion is valid, especially for someone who's trying to build up mass appeal. Shitposters on this board who've never listened to her aside, of course.

broadway theatre experienced vtuber when
listening to voice actors in media when they have broadway/theatre experience is like sex but in audio

>>58688032
So you'd be expecting something more in the ballpark of senya rather than gawr gura?