/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>58594359
wow, really?
you think so?
are you sure that could be in any way related???

Being a fan has proven to be even more detrimental

>>58594359
but mumei is great

>>58594483
At least Nerissa doesn't have the voice filter

>>58594483
Your skin is brown so your opinion does not matter

>>58594359
What did Gura know about Hololive before joining?

>>58594483
You will never be white, brownskin sis
Try niggersanji next time

Shiori's case is especially egregious since she's a literal oldchad vtuber. There is something positive to be said about being there since before Hololive, however if you're such an OG (to the point of doing a vtuber history stream) and yet have NEVER ONCE looked into Hololive, it reeks of intentional avoidance. And intentional avoidance reeks of SALT, sour grapes, etc.

Look at my oshis cat

>>58594566
That big money is there

>>58594633
He looks confused

>>58594483
kiara's problem is lack of kayfabe and voice, theyre both great hires overall though

>>58594359
/vt/ doesn't watch streams, but they try to judge these women based on prior knowledge? rumao

>>58594554
Hope you liked nerissa’s chats with reimu!

>>58594359
Is it? currently I see more hope for Shiori than for Nerissa

>>58594687
he's just a little pon as his owner.

>>58594359
Where's Ame?

>>58594525
Her EN oshi was Ina and her JP oshi is Korone

>>58594359
This doesn't bother me that much. They eventually learn, it's not the biggest deal in the world.
>>58594483
This definitely does. Obsession is fucking dull as shit and comes across more as annoying rather than endearing. I don't know why it bothers people so much when someone else finds incredibly vocal lesbianism irritating.

>>58595233
>I don't know why it bothers people so much when someone else finds incredibly vocal lesbianism irritating.
Because it's a sure-fire way to detect a brownoid, a twittertranny, a Nijichink, or a cut4hex sister.
Case in point, you and your shitty tourist picture.

>>58595020
>EN oshi
>Ina
>JP oshi
>Korone
I understand why she's so good now, she has good taste.

>>58595421
I can see why her EN oshi is Ina bc she's boring af. Should've taken more inspiration from Korone.

>>58595483
Better boring that a whore like Ame

>>58595552
You can't even speak english

>>58595233
>They eventually learn
no they don't lol

>>58595727
You can't defend your whore

>>58595821
I didn't even bring up Ame. I just said Ina is boring.

>>58595312
Yeah, you definitely can't do a push up.

>>58594884
They're all bad. Even the Fuwamoco that so many idiots drool over their Blue's Clues tier morning show are disgusting incestfags.

>>58595552
>Better boring that a whore
Nigga what?

>>58595552
damn why do brownskins always get up in arms about ame?

>>58596048
>>58596172
NTA but that's just a typo or autocorrect issue. Than to that

>>58594554
90% of KFPs are mexican, anon

>>58595233
/thread

Mori became one of the biggest company woman of Hololive in the end, so I don't think it really matters much.
It's really an issue when the person stays too lazy to care.

>>58594483
>>58594359
Deranged lesbians vs. homobeggars WHO WILL WIN

>>58594617
It's not just salt but salty incompetence, since she is part of hololive now she's salty at herself.

>>58594483

so true sis #cut4hex

>>58594617
>>58596413
So what does that make Gura who's been there for 3 years?
Meanwhile Shiori's been trying ever since she got here, to learn.

>>58594359
>>58594483
will you ever get tired of making the same rehashed bait, or are you getting paid?

>>58596500
Gura more like Whora.
>for 3 years
Really only 1.5 years when you think bout it. You can't claim to 'be there' when you're gone 60% of the time.

>>58596172
She is a British and anon probably lost at war

>Shiori has been both a massive Advent pusher and also a ReGloss supporter despite not being that into Holo, plus she seems to vibe super well with her EN senpai
>Kronii was waking up early while on drugs and vomiting blood to make it into HoloEN bday call-ins
>Mori became one of the bigger Holo ambassadors, her place is filled with merch, she did collab songs and covers with almost every branch and Gen and she's one of the most reliable senpai to all gens that came after

super fans like Nerissa or Chloe are good hires, but watching these girls growing from outsiders into idol supporters is also a great journey to experience

>chumbuds so assblasted by FWMC that they've turned to other targets
Oh boy.

>>58596839

>>58594359
I know it's bait, but I have to speak the truth where it's needed: Mori had an amazing redemption arc.

>>58596839
I will literally never support Mori, Kronii, or Ame Or Fauna and Ina, in any way shape or form ever. I will always think of them as lesser, I will always hate them, and I will always avoid content that includes them in any way, shape, or form. The reason is simple. They are anathema to Hololive and the values of cute girls doing cute things. They have shown through their words and actions that they are not the right fit for Hololive and that they don't belong there. Moreover they have shown that instead of trying to fit in, they would rather take radical measures to try and change Hololive. Hololive should not have to suffer people who are just there to cynically funnel attention to their roommates, lazy ironic weebs, or spiteful bitches.

>Y-You should forgive her!
No.

>S-She's changed, she's better now
No she hasn't and even if she has, I don't care, she will never be forgiven for her past sins.

>Y-Your information is months/years out of date
Possibly, because that's when I stopped watching them. As I said, I'm not going to forgive them.

>Don't you believe in second chances?
All these girls got multiple chances and at every opportunity, they fucked it up. They showed they would rather "own the haters" or rather get up on a soapbox and dispense their stupid uninformed opinions to the legions of people who support them. What a lot of people fail to recognize is that Hololive IS a second chance. These girls failed at being fucking waitresses. They couldn't even do a basic service job. Just by being in Hololive, they are given a wonderful opportunity to make the kind of money 99% of the world will never see and they should be grateful because none of them could hack it in the real world. But instead of being grateful, they got full of themselves and decided to try the "my way or the highway" approach.

>Y-You're just a schizo anti!
Actually I'm being hyper rational. I gave all these girls chances and they all chose to make bad decisions. I do not harass them on Twitter, I don't stalk them, I don't even leave negative comments on their videos. I just simply do not watch them, I do not buy their merch, and I tell everyone on this discussion forum that I do not like them and that others should not watch them either. I inform people who are new, who may not know why they are hated, of the things these girls did in the past and why people have a sour view of them now. Obviously I cannot make other people stop supporting them, everyone is free to do what they want. But I will warn others of the type of shit they've pulled in the past and consequently the type of person they've shown themselves to be.

>TLDR
These girls are not worth your time or money. There are plenty of other girls who are.

>>58597343
mucho texto, girls still cute

>>58594483
Being a Holo fan is good. Being a Kiara fan is detrimental.

>>58596500
>Shiori's been trying ever since she got here, to learn
not really. she only started doing her reps after the embarrassing hololive quiz on holotalk.

>>58597343
All I saw was
>"You're just being a schizo anti"
and I just have to say I agree

>>58597577
And doing that now is bad because? It's still happening. Whether the reason is bad or not.

>>58597610
i didn't say it was bad, just pointing out she was doing nothing to learn until she made a fool of herself. you said she was trying to learn from the start, and she obviously wasn't.

>>58594552

>>58596839
I'll admit Kronii's track record of birthday call-ins is pretty impressive (especially since every shitstain is constantly trying to cope with "they dont matter anyway / nooo don't you understand it's SO HARD to wake up for 5 minutes and do a phone call" shit to justify their oshi being an uncaring cunt)

Doesn't wash away her sins though. The Great Betrayal™ in particular is pretty much unforgivable but even aside from that it's clear she doesn't enjoy streaming all that much, as shown by the whole minecraft off-stream fiasco where she literally went "well i wanna enjoy the game BY MYSELF okay, talking to chat distracts from my enjoyment" when her fans complained - this is a problem that extends to other stuff such as her blatantly playing FE Engage off-stream and then pretending to do a first time playthrough on-stream, which OF COURSE was dropped (by the FE megafan). Oh, and let's not forget the infamous BREAK BREAK BREAK BREAK BREAK BREAK BREAK weeks.

>>58597343
long time since I saw this copy pasta kek

>>58596839
>>Kronii was waking up early while on drugs and vomiting blood to make it into HoloEN bday call-ins
That was her own fault though, how is this being used to lift her up wtf

>>58594525
>cute imouto that's actually a psycho that's actually a shrew who resents her mother for really reals
Lol. Lmao even
>>58595421
>Ina
>good taste
It's like some of you fuckers have no taste buds, so everything that's bland registers as good taste.

>>58594359
Always has been, very strange why they keep hiring girls that have zero interest in the company.
It's either that or they have some ESL staff reviewing the applicants and they can't tell the nuance in whether an applicant is applying because they like the company or they are applying for what they company can do for them outside the company

>>58595233
>This doesn't bother me that much. They eventually learn, it's not the biggest deal in the world.
Aloe?
Sana?
Hell, even coco barely understood the memes that overseas fans were making

>>58594359
how did they get the job?
i understand about callie as it was the first EN gen and they din't know well what they were doing.

>>58596839
Anon this is a lot of cope that only forced positivity will agree with

kronii is not doing something amazing, 95% of the hololive girls wake up early for call ins and shiori is trying to damage control her image

mori is the only one who has actually worked hard in hololive, and it's only after fucking up countless times to the point that she squandered all the goodwill she had and is now working so hard to compete for the scraps of what she used to get without trying

>>58599390
they look for entertainers, not fangirls
also
>callie

>>58599435
showing up to a thread with Reddit spacing should be ground for instant ban, even ignoring the dogshit content of the post

>>58599476
one learns fucking thing up and learning from mistakes

>>58595483
yep she is boring af, but this anon is right >>58595552 there was no good EN oshi back then.

>>58594359
Do you really believe Shiori didn't know Hololive? Disregard it yes, but not know about it? Lmao

>>58596356
And made them a ridiculous amount of money. Cover has kadokawa and Omocat sponsorships and tie ins thanks to her.

>>58596172
nta, but definitely an AME hatter and beaner.
i dont just hate AME, i hate the whole myth branch...... and kronii

>>58599435
Is it forced positivity or are you just a miserable bugger?

>>58598344
I don't think she can control her jaw sliding out of place

>>58599773
>He really thinks Mori made connections for them instead of Cover just being an constant growing presence in Japan that had numerous sponsorships and millions of fans already.

>>58597343
>>58598081
tl;dr
It's Mori's fault Kronii keeps getting in trouble because Mori is a terrible sempai who's just looking to leech and her 'own the haters' advice always backfires given how her numbers are shit and she nearly took down Kronii.
There's good reason the new EN management banned Mori from interacting with Advent before they debuted.

>>58600068
Omocat thing is literally words from the company's CEO's mouth

>>58600068
Omocat literally directly credited Mori and the whole reason for the trash taste stuff was so they could get a contact with Kadokawa who owns the podcast.

>>58600084
>There's good reason the new EN management banned Mori from interacting with Advent before they debuted.
always funny how retards play the biggest game of Chinese telephone in history

>>58600150

>>58600282
Holo X omo = Hoomo

>>58599991
I like a lot of the girls, mori include when she is making good content

The thing is, we went through a long period where she basically just thought she can use hololive as a funnel to her IRL and put way more effort into her IRL that flopped than hololive.
I blame this more on management than on mori honestly, almost every issue I've ever had with mori was because management dropped the bag somehow, because when mori is tard wrangled she
>collabs with JP girls
>makes content outside of her low effort zone
>doesnt just rely on ironic weeb humor, shrek and adam sandler to keep her audience engaged

I want more TTRPG shit from her, I want to see her try to do a TTRPG with JP girls especially, it'd be great

>>58600831
Almost sure she started doing the other stuff because she enjoys stage/3D live stuff since she never really committed to anything other than live shows. She never stuck to that other streaming stuff. Cover is finally not being as retarded about 3D performance stuff for EN and UMJ seems to be getting her the work she wants now since she decided to drop the other stuff.

>>58594359
I like all 3 of them.

>>58597151
The thing is she never even said idol culture bad or anything. All she said meeting Milky Queen changed her mind about idol culture aka she was talking about before she joined hololive. Slowly twisting this into "she hates hololive" or "she hates vtubers". Like her own IRL friends before hololive like Milky Queen, Ci or Rachie are vtubers, how could she hate vtubers?

>>58600831
I had made this argument to someone last year and I will say it again because it still applies. The total number of her RM streams(including the twitch ones) since joining hololive in 3 years can be counted with both your hands. Its way less than many JPs. Even before the Taiwan yab Coco did more RM streams in a few months.

>>58601443
Yeah, if you go to her old insta you can even see her doing vtuber art awhile beforehand. I think Fra was even the one that taught her how to rap if I remember right.

>>58594359
>I joined Hololive because I'm a psychotic horny lesbian who wanted to drink my oshi's bathwater after raping her
Better?

If you're a Hololive obsessive superfan who autistically brain catalogs every bit of obscure trivia you're probably not a particularly interesting or charismatic person.

>>58599991
Forced positivity is what keeps this shit hobby from sinking into an ocean of unrequited affection and the angry fallout that would come from realizing it was ever always a scam.

>>58601603
It's worked out so far.

>>58594359
Mori literally applied as a joke and got in.

>>58601443
she did have more aggressive take on idol culture before befriending Milky, but that's due to the fact the only way that shit made news in the US was through negative lens of overtly controlling companies or crazed fans causing scandals
as for the idols themselves she did admit she was jealous of the positivity and cuteness they represented

>>58601666
if you think the only way your oshi can repay your affection is by someday giving you the sex, then I understand how you can find the hobby as whole frustrating to observe
personally I just find people who get to be more true to themselves by wearing a mask very entertaining

>>58601810
Not really. She explained in the Jump interview that the EN audition was posted in her discord friends group intended at someone else (definitely Milky Queen) but she applied anyway thinking it's a career prospect. She probably even sent that video from her RM with the most views for audition too. She definitely was aware what vtubers are.
>>58601831
All of this was still before EN auditions.

>>58594359
I don't understand why they can't just hire VTubers that are nice to their fans and friendly to their colleagues, actually watch anime and aren't just ironic weebs , and genuinely enjoy streaming. I would literally do this job for free even if I wasn't allowed to collab with women ( None of them would want to anyway)

>>58594483
pic unrelated?

>>58602166
She was obviously something cover was looking for because she apparently got a call back and was hired in less than a day

>>58602190
>I don't understand why they can't just hire VTubers that are nice to their fans and friendly to their colleagues, actually watch anime and aren't just ironic weebs , and genuinely enjoy streaming
You don't understand how small the talent pool for these requirements is. It exists, but it's tiny.

>>58594359
>knew nothing about Hololive before joining
but enough about irys

>>58594359
Shiori has not done anything wrong yet, BAU BAU.

And Mori has reformed her ways.

Kronii...Kronii is a lost cause.

>>58594726
Lack of kayfabe it's not so much of a "problem" but so much it makes her niche.
She still does her job and acts like an idol, but if you can't used to her lack of self-awareness disorder then you unfortunately won't be able to enjoy her.

>>58595020
You can have holo oshis and still not know anything about hololive before applying. I don't know much about Mumei lore but Kaela for example got Kronii, Watame and Miko as her oshis but she didn't watch any of them before applying... oh and while we are at the topic Kaela is the best example to show you don't need to know anything before applying but she went thru a crash course while the other 3 are just lazy burger bitches.
There is also a fucking huge gap between being accepted and debut. Botan said Gen5 met 6 months before debut that's a lot of time someone can use to reasearch hololive.

>>58594359
Subaru and Kanata are one of the top talents
Neck yourself

>>58594359
Why do you guys keep adding Shiori in these for literally no reason?

Shiori model and 2Dlive rigging is so fucking good, what a waste that it was used on her, the same goes for Kronii and Calli.

Imagine Bijou with Shiori model

>>58595020
I'll never understand the love for Ina, different strokes for different folks I guess. There's nothing wrong with being a more down to earth and chill person but everytime I see Ina it's like shes just there, and the viewers are watching paint dry, or taking a little nap, her energy is nonexistent even in laid-back sense. Wish I knew how to word this better but I'm retarded.

>>58594359
Ya know, this is the exact trio I don't watch.
After giving Mori and Kronii a chance for a year, I'm just going to take your word for it on Shiori.
4chan is always fucking right.

>>58605631
>Calli

>>58605725
No, you are not retarded, Ina is literally drying paint (sometimes putting it on first).
It's just really comfortable to have some background noise and 0 IQ puns from time to time.

By the way, I love Ina.

I love when people try to shit on Mori and Kronii, Mori is the 2nd most popular EN overall and Kronii until recently was the most popular Council member, so clearly it did work for them lol

>>58594359
You have a knife, don’t you anon? You know exactly what to do with it. Vertical, not horizontal. And in the bathtub so you don’t make a mess.

>>58601810
Mori did not apply as a joke, she applied thinking she didn’t really have a chance of making it in but still put serious effort into her audition

>>58605725
Even in a*
Fuck typo AHHHHHHH

>>58606053
Well that's alright, to each their own. Hope you enjoy your time with your oshi :>

>doesn't press buzzer fast enough to answer before genmates
>retards think she's knowledgeless
>says that it takes time to get used to people, to respect her collab choices (ie is shy, will have few collabs outside of her gen)
>retards take this as "Will collab with males"
>expressess happiness in being able to play as her gender in a self insertion romance game, more inclusion (for her, so she can coom)
>retards take this as "SHE SUPPORTS THE CAUSE" despite using tons of language that would ward off alphabet people
The biggest fucking cope to hate someone I've ever seen. Her fault for being ESL tho i guess

>>58606053
you can have that with a streamer that doesn't look down on her viewers, unless you are into it then sure Ina is a pick.

>>58595233
>they eventually learn
If you didn't do that for years, why would you do it now? It's like people who say if they're rich they would do x thing when in true they won't anyway

>>58601603
I mean... that is why Lamy joined so she could rape Marine. And Chloe joined so she could rape Shion.

>>58594483
Hello sirs

>>58605511
Subaru and Kanata didn't even know that vtubers existed, the ones OP showed knew vtubers or was one for years but didn't know a thing about hololive(Kronii I don't know)

>>58606921
This is the biggest cope I seen in a while, you can write a whole paragraph with what she said about muh collab choices in her debut and you cucks resume it to "is shy"

>>58607568
NTA, but this is for you.

>>58594359
What? Shiori was a 2view vtuber before holo of course she knew about it. What on earth are you talking about?

>>58600831
I'm interested what you mean by "tard wrangled", because everything you're thinking of--good and bad--what all her own doing.

>>58607687
Whatever, atheist.

>>58605725
She's more fun to listen to in the background than to actually watch, especially in her art streams.
Her gaming streams are alright, even though she doesn't finish most games.

>>58607568
You can't trust anything Subaru says. She knew about Virtual Obaachan before joining. That's a Vtuber. She also knew about animes and games but that's doxxing.

>>58607734
And one of Mori's best friends in Japan before she joined is one too and there is proof they knew each other for at minimum a year befefore she joined. The guy that taught her how to rap was one as well. People are just retards and look for any reason to hate on the board "villains".

>>58607734
Yes, Shiorin~ was a 2view that seethe about hololive, basically female Connor

>>58599773
who?

>>58594483
This is bait

>>58596356
>one of the biggest company woman
Taking weeks off so her PL can go on a tour that was only possible thanks to Hololive and dickride her holo-anti boyfriends really makes her a company woman.

>>58614982
t. Guy who made this thread bumping from page 10 because he is mad this didn't turn into a full on Mori anti thread.

>>58615460
t. Delusional deadbeat who thinks Mori is relevant besides the horse shit

>>58605811
80% of this board haven’t killed themselves yet so no they are not always right.

>>58606921
Its her fault bringing up the stupid collab talks. Retards now will always view her thru their negative bias lens.

>>58616824
Clearly more relevant than whatever 2 view you watch

>>58616824
Lmao you are so fucking mad

>>58618917
>Faggots that were always going to act like faggots are acting like faggots is somehow someone else’s fault

Bump

>>58605725
You're just addicted to dopamine, bro.
Do some meditation and calm your mind if you want to enjoy Ina.
Personally I find it difficult to watch streamers that are always screaming like they're snorting cocaine on stream or something. It's too much.

>>58622343
I think a nap is better for that

>>58594359
Shiori has not had a problem so far

>>58596839
>watching these girls growing from outsiders into idol supporters is also a great journey to experience
honestly i can see why holo scouters hire outsiders, they provide an interesting journey going from knowing nothing about hololive to being superfans
the problem however is that there tends to be a period where these outsiders try to go against the flow and squander some of their good will. mori tried to own le haters a lot and homocollabed out of spite, same with kronii. time will tell if shiori will have the same pitfalls, and the sooner she learns why homos are off-limits (learning from the former two as case studies) the better