/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5859624
It's just like wrestling. They're all working their way up from the indies to WWE.

>>5859624
>Prism Project
>Tsunderia
>Indies

>>5859624
You ... do know you used a photo of a Tsunderia member that regularly gets 200+ right OP?

>>5859624
Those aren't indies, indies=independant

Those are groups, small companies, sure they might as well be independents because they haven't grown like the big shots have but they're still closer to those than true independent content creators

>>5859624
A lot of them are unironically great. I'm very much impressed by Prism's 3rd gen, and I hope every company manages to incline in some way.

>>5861044
How exactly does Prism justify having so many members, it just doesn't seem like they have nearly enough viewers to justify it. Is turning a profit not actually their goal? Like is it funded by some ridiculously wealthy guy who just wants to create more VTubers and doesn't mind if they don't take off?

>>5861247
It is funded by a millionaire, yes. Also they have some crazy oil baron superchatters.

>>5861247
Literally founded by a former nijisanji investor.

Also as
>>5861309
said, prism fans donate the most money out of the small companies

They're a lot comfier than the clusterfuck you see from 5k+ live streams. But I do always wonder if those if the moments they look at chat during a load screen are filled with disappointment.

>I enjoy their streams a lot more than the big streamers. HoloEN is nothing but trending games and sponsorships lately. Combine that with the zooming chat and I feel like there's not much reason to watch them. With the smaller streamers like Yuuna or Uruka or Rika, you not only get to watch them use their actual talents, but chat interaction is a real thing beyond then catching one shitty comment in the torrent of spam.

I enjoy their streams a lot more than the big streamers. HoloEN is nothing but trending games and sponsorships lately. Combine that with the zooming chat and I feel like there's not much reason to watch them. With the smaller streamers like Yuuna or Uruka or Rika, you not only get to watch them use their actual talents, but chat interaction is a real thing beyond then catching one shitty comment in the torrent of spam.

>>5859624
I think almost every person who joins startup vtuber orgs knows what they're getting into. Some prefer the smaller community as it's more forgiving and lets them be more intimate with their fans. Others are just using it as a stepping stone for bigger and better things and just use it to gain experience. Occasionally you'll see someone actively numberfag and get depressed over the lack of growth, but those people are pretty delusional.

Besides sometimes you can make a living as a small vtuber if you have enough dedicated gachikois. Prism Project in particular are notorious for having some insanely dedicated whales, especially Rita, so they probably are way more successful than they ever expected in terms of income.

>>5863062
Well if any smaller streamer actually played a TTRPG I'd watch that but until then HoloEN is still worthwhile to see TTRPG streams.

>indies

That said, I love me Rita though.

>>5863106
I can see why people would whale for Rita. I instantly fell in love with her. She is perfection.

>>5863162
The theory I came up with is it's just the fat girl voice and mommy/granny mannerisms that endears her to lonely socially stunted programmers that are intimidated by normal girls that aren't their mom. Backed up by the fact her whales also started drowning Pina Pengin in money and she's almost exactly the same level of wholesome mommy vibes as Rita.

Love them both!

>>5863162

>>5863219
Honestly... I can't disagree with any of this. And it feels to me that generally speaking a lot of indies/small agencies see their relative obscurity as a pass to be edgy, swearing all the time and basically having no filter for anything they say. You can see this pretty clearly with Luto, who I see why she'd be appealing to some people but to me she can be a bit much at times. So Rita and VTubers like her stand out from the crowd by remaining so kind and dignified even though nobody is forcing them to.

>>5863062
Doesn’t it feel worse if the chat is small and the vtubers play favorites with who they respond to?

For me, it's Purin.

>>5863799
I think Prism made a good call debuting Luto and Rita in the same gen since it shows off how much freedom their org actually allows their talents. Neither one is pressured to be more like the other and they get along well despite their differences.
I get your point though that smaller orgs tend to hire real gremlins that are desperate to get their name out there by being provocative and edgy like the dumb Phase Connect rabbit who can't stop breaking containment.
Today Luto spent half her stream talking about how it's bullshit you can't say Jap because it's a slur and then started calling everyone in chat burritos and tacos, maybe Captain should make more of an effort to rein her in...

>>5863916
I would contend that's on you for not saying something interesting enough to warrant a response.

>>5864021
They're usually more likely to ignore comments that are too long than just ones that are uninteresting. Stuff that are basically a poor person's attempt at a superchat like asking them long questions or fanservice suggestions will get ignored.

>>5864105
Well, that's exactly why a long comment is uninteresting though. I mean look at this. I would not want to reply to this.

After experiencing what it's like to be a part of a stream with a small viewer count, I can't be bothered with catching a 500+ viewer stream live anymore. I don' know how (or why) people watch the big names live since any chat message they send gets lost in the noise.

Meruru of Tsunderia is my oshi

She's one of the most humble and sweet girls and introduced me to appreciating the charm of small companies.

>>5859624
I watched the bread girl cause I thought she was cute. Her stream was very enjoyable but the thought that she could read what I'm saying to her set off my social anxiety and my heart felt all fluttery so I left.

>>5864383
More than that I'm put off by the fact that she's the only Tsunderia member that uses Twitch. VTubers need to stop using Twitch. It is not a good platform.

>>5864543
Twitch is where she grew and where most of her audience is. Purin and Meru also use twitch you know, but unarchived

>>5864543
You say that but she easily averages 300 some days while her genmate struggle to sit above 100

>>5864684
That's just because of how Youtube counts viewers to filter out people using adblock while Twitch counts viewers accurately because they haven't implemented that filter yet.

>>5864614
kallin and slug too

>>5864778
That's weird because I have adblock and one time I watched a small streamer ZEA on two devices to help her out and on my tablet I watched the count go up by 1 when I opened it on my computer with adblock.

>>5863916
No. It feels like a community then.

>>5864893
Nobody knows how it actually works. A larger scale example is big streamers for Holo/Niji will often have like 10k people waiting before a stream starts and then the viewers drops to like 500 when it actually starts and slowly trickles back up.
There's also stuff like how with the new poll feature in chat I've seen vtubers open a poll and get more responses than the live viewer count despite the poll only being up for like 5 minutes and requiring viewers to interact with the chat, something most viewers don't do.

>>5863972
Purin is the first streamer, not even vtuber, I've come across to really lean on her fans and make them feel wanted. It just makes you want to support her forever.

>>5864004
The rabbit is already an established indie with almost 10k followers on her other channel tho. She still streams there too, so I don't know that her reason is that she's >desperate to get her name out there.
It'll be interesting to compare her with Miki since the same thing happened there.

>>5865021
Char had that recently. View count was about 120-150 but the poll had well over 300 votes. She was confused.

All the Tsunderia girls except Miori have rewind enabled on their streams. I've heard theory that if the stream hiccups and the viewer is no longer caught up to live, they don't count as a viewer.

>>5865226
I'm sure that is the case but most corporate chuubas don't have rewind enabled to avoid yabs and it still affects them so there's other factors involved it seems like.

>>5859624
>small indie channels you watch like Prism
Prism Project and Tsunderia aren't indies. You cant even begin to have a proper conversation about them if you cant tell the difference

>>5864004
The shit Luto says in her league streams would 100% get her banned in-game if the devs found out about it. I really hope a hate mob doesn't come after her if she ever grows big.

>>5865343
Kinda hope she gets banned from League, it's a kusoge and might motivate her to pickup Dota 2 or just stop playing mobas entirely.

Is there any list that summarizes all these new startups? Kind of overwhelmed with all these new names thrown around

>>5865396
There's Prism Project, Tsunderia, and Amber Glow. I think that's all.

>indies
opchama?

>>5865396
Tsunderia has its own general
>>5824416

But I'll copy past their quick discriptions.
>Hoshino Char
Gunpla extraordinaire
>Inukai Purin
Mesugaki dog
>Yazaki Kallin
Certified chuuni bat
>Matsuro Meru
Sweetest person alive, high energy
>Nini Yuuna
The embodiment of chaos, bread crumb sized braincell
>Miori Celesta (NEW)
DLC addition, great singer
-57XC9pyHbP7v3kCPQ
>Umiushi Urara
Garbage bin waifu, savior of Tsunderia

Also take a quick scroll through the clip twitter to get a sampling:
>Clip Twitter:
https://twitter.com/TsunderiaOoC

>>5865444
You're missing Phase Connect which just debuted recently and Cyberlive that will debut soon. Kawaii Pro is also very good and debuted like a month or two ago.

>>5865396

PRISM Project General
>>5809092

Production Kawaii General
>>5597224

Phase-Connect General
>>5855965

>>5865343
I don't play league, why would she be banned?
>>5865444
Voice-Ore is a recent Japanese startup.

>>5865627
I read that Urara is like Tsunderia staff. So what is that, she's just doing stuff behind the scenes and then she's like "Fuck it, I can handle this VTuber thing too?" Her voice and design are actually really nice.

>>5865396
It's better to go to their threads and ask about the girls you're interested in. There's Tsunderia, Prism, Phase Connect, Kawaii, and Amber Glow thus far.

>>5865791
League is really no different from any other game in that they ban people for trash talking other players. They do the same in Dota, it's just that League has a reputation for it because they are very visible about their bans.

there is also heavenrend and sometimes someone asks why no one talk about myholo
forgot the name of the german company, but it has a pretty boring vampire, meme zoomer t-rex who is quite fun and a third one

>>5865813
She was a vtuber using vroid on her own before joining Tsudneria. Yeah, she's management and makes assets for the company (most of the chat layouts and schedule graphics) but also occasionally does streams to fill in schedule gaps. Since the entire company likes to go on two to four week breaks every other month.

>>5865791
Basically she goes on stream and talks shit about her teammates, sometimes raging off the deep end and screaming shit like "YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID." The prism thread says she once called some guy a faggot but I didn't watch that stream.

>>5866079
Why are brat type chuubas so based?

>>5865955
>heavenrend
This is how a fansub group for Symphogear decided to translate the name of the mythological sword Ame-no-Habakiri nine years ago. Weird to see it pop up as a VTuber agency name because I'm pretty sure it's never been used anywhere else so that's the only place they could have got it.

Also, I think MyHolo only has one remaining member so it's not too surprising nobody talks about it.

>>5865918
No, League has a reputation because the devs go out of their way to stalk social media for people to ban for things they said outside of the game. They're extremely authoritarian about their management of the "community" and even ban players for disrespecting China because they're owned by Tencent. If you call someone a retard in Dota you definitely won't get banned, much less if you do it on stream instead.

>>5863219
>fat girl
now I will watch your chuuba

>>5864303
Same as me anon, we should be friends

>>5865444
>>5865627
>>5865728
>>5865854
Thanks, appreciate it. There are a lot more of them than I thought.

>>5865396
If you mean english agencies:

Prism & Kawaii: Notable for having rich Japanese CEOs that are deliberately targeting the english market
Phase Connect: Notable for being relentlessly viral marketted here by their leaf CEO
Tsunderia: Notable for being the first real EN agency

There's lots more, but no one gives a shit about the rest

>>5866211
That must be a recent development because back when the Tribunal was a thing I would go through it for the free currency and I never saw a ban I disagreed with. It was always people literally losing their fucking minds abusing their teammates and then crying in the forums that they got banned for being an asshole. Now, there was one incident I remember where Pendragon was playing a match and some guy was threatening to feed in pre-game chat so he just went and banned him before the game started and then after the fact happened to discover that the guy had been bad in previous games and used that as justification for having banned him and the whole situation struck me as a classic cop move "You didn't do anything wrong in this instance but we looked through your history and you have committed a crime in the past so you deserve it". But Pendragon was always a shady dude, he's the one that ran the Dota 1 forums, stole the concept for Teemo, and wiped all evidence of his crime. Anyway, I haven't played in years so maybe they've gotten worse, or maybe it's that people are trying to be clever and grief and brag about it outside the game because they can't just play the game like a normal human being. But I sincerely doubt Luto has anything to worry about.

>>5865854
Virtuality project aka VirPro

>>5865854
also forgot Heavenrend

>>5866889
I personally haven't played League since like Season 3 when I moved to Dota 2, and it was much more lax back then but even then some streamers would get banned for out of game comments and players like IWillDominate who got banned from the professional scene for being toxic in pubs or some shit. These days the only time I hear about League is when some streamer or pro player gets banned for something they said on stream or on Twitter. They treat the game like it's a sports league and go out of their way to micromanage even random players, it's retarded.
Also, fuck Pendragon.

>>5866805
What's with all the Japanese people making English agencies, despite not having a Japanese branch? Are these just dudes who are fluent in English and realized that the English market is way bigger than the Japanese market? Like they saw Hololive English and realized they didn't need to bother with Japan at all? I'm just surprised they're Japanese agencies even though nothing else about them is Japanese.

>>5867060
My guess is that the JP market is saturated as all hell, meanwhile the West is still largely undeveloped.
Also English is just theoretically better since it can get you viewers from all over the world, meanwhile Japanese only gets you Japan, and whatever EOPs the girls are willing to pander to.

>>5866184
wouldnt put it past niwa to have done some work in fansubbing to be honest. at the very least his VR model seems like it comes straight out of symphogear.
heavenrend is by far the most indie of them all, but strangely still high quality. kind of like an even more scuff tsunderia

>>5867060
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, you can assume they looked at the multitude of tiny japanese agencies that are struggling to even hit 1k subs and decided to try a market that's less saturated.

If you don't, you can assume they probably looked at HoloEN's success and thought they could pull that off.

>>5866805
Heavenrend is notable because they debut on Twitch and use that as their primary streaming platform

Watch the tubular bells part1 launch with a chuuba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgoZokn2coA

>>5867427
That's not notable at all

>>5867427
If a Korean vtuber agency is ever made, they should do that too.

They're not notable at all

How much does Rita weigh?
I want to bench her.

>>5867471
I don't know what this is but I can safely say a Japanese anime girl with a high pitched voice watching a... spacecraft launch? Is something I never expected to see in my life.

>>5867783
Her weight is not notable at all.

>>5867427
Here's something that is notable out Heavenrend, I just did some research and they are the only Twitch VTuber agency that also uploads all their VODs to YouTube. Finally Twitch streamers that realize the importance of archives.

>>5868715
>Finally Twitch streamers that realize the importance of archives.
Stream on twitch, archive on youtube has been the widely regarded /wvt/ opinion since i think middle of february

>>5868715
I really don't get why more don't. I understand streams are best live, but visibility is super important especially now.

>>5870786
>but visibility is super important especially now.
youtube archives are not for visibility. you will not get 3 hour gameplay streams with 20 views recommended.

>>5870786
I feel the same way. If I'm looking up a vtuber for the first time, I like to be able to see their past content, to get a better idea of what they do all around, and I use that to help me judge if I should spend time watching one of their streams. When limited to twitch it's harder to get a feel for this when you see nothing but Resident Evil, Resident Evil, Resident Evil, Zatsudan, Resident Evil....

>>5871226
Plus if they ever played a game I really really like, I might sit down and watch the entire playthrough, on my own time since the VOD is uploaded and there's no time limit. Just a little bit each day like a TV show.

>Chat says "It'd be fun to watch you play X"
>"I already played X! It was fun I loved it!"
>No archive of it exists

>>5866889
It's def worse now. Tribunal is no more and you won't get banned for straight up running down five-six games in a row, but saying nigger in the chat is instaban. If you never say anything in the chat, it's superhard to get banned.

>>5872435
Who knew it was such a popular game to stream?

>>5872435
>>5872880
I do wonder though, if some Twitch streamers have archive autists who save everything but they only upload it on their Discord or something and that's why I never find it on YouTube. I want to look into it, but I'm hesitant to go creeping around Discord servers in case they have a "Everyone welcome this new person to the server!" message and people start talking to me. I should make a throwaway account but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

>>5863916
Yes

>>5864004
>Calls them Japs
Why did no one tell me Luto is great?

>>5859624
>Only watches low viewer chuubas
>Saviourfags and supachats
Groomers can only get their pp hard when they get noticed.

>>5873310
>Saviour
Ugh. British people.

>>5871226
thats a good point

>>5859624
bread is cute but tries too hard

>>5874167
Sometimes it feels like she goes too hard on the dumb angle, but other times it feels like she's genuinely stupid. I'm never sure if she's playing it up or not.

>>5874806
There's no way it's an act. She is legitimately just that dute

>>5865343
I really hope she drops LoL (I don't want her to get banned or anything), I fucking hate that game. I started getting into her recently and the fact that those are pretty much the only ones she's been doing at good times for me has been filtering me

>>5875222
>monkey's paw closes
Luto Araka has now picked up Apex.

>>5875371
Jokes on you I'm fucking addicted to Apex myself and have been waiting for an EN chuuba that primarily plays it

>>5860476
>WWmeme

>>5875670
I know you said EN, but what's stopping you from watching Ollie? She speaks English 90% of the time and for some reason she plays Apex almost as much as Roboco.

>>5859624
I'm guessing a lot of them don't expect to go far at all. Isla Coleman of Kawaii, for example, never expected to reach 10k at all.

>>5877258
What kind of accent does she have? Because I do not recognize that accent at all.

>>5877583
No clue desu

>>5878339
I was expecting her to be British from her appearance for some reason but sadly she was not. I still like her voice though. I honestly wonder why there's so few British VTubers, even amongst indies. Americans LOVE the British accent and find it incredibly sexy so you'd think more of them would be like "I need to get in on this." I hope one of the big companies like Hololive or Nijisanji gets a Brit someday. They got an Austrian before they got a Brit. Kinda weird.

>>5877583
Isla is Filipino

>>5878818
Ah. That's pretty cool, I'm learning Indonesian so I'm basically learning Filipino. I'll have it mastered soon.

>>5871226
By the way, what is Capcom's endgame in being so generous with the streaming rights to Resident Evil Village, which really should have been called Resident Evillage. Literally every VTuber right now seems to either be playing RE8, or RE7 because they intend to play RE8 and want to play the first one first. Like why would anyone want to buy RE8 when they can watch all these people play it start to finish? Don't get me wrong, it's cool of them to do it, it just seems like a very bad move in terms of making money.

>>5880932
The hell if I know. I used RE as an example because I don't like RE games at all so I haven't watched a single stream of any of those games.

(Which is why archives are critical - if I don't know you and you're playing a game I don't really like, I'm not going to watch)

>>5864004
It is funny when you hear Luto say like 3 curse words in one sentence and Rita just goes “Hm”

>>5865396
Tbh Prism and Tsunderia are the most well known in terms are start up English Vtuber agencies I’d say both are at the top rn.

>>5881698
"Oh dear"

>>5875670
Are you serious? Every other EN chuuba plays Apex

>>5881789
I hope Tsunderia and Prism can stay on top. These two have the best quality out of all the smaller EN companies.

>>5882986
I agree Prism might have the edge over Tsunderia tho but I guess we’ll have to see from Tsunderia’s new Gen debut but I kinda doubt they’ll reach the numbers Yura and Shiki did. Ola probably could tho.

>>5883084
Don't know what's up with Yura's voice but it kind of reminds me of Veibae's. Which is good because I really liked Veibae's voice but do not like how she's always talking about cum and stuff. So I finally found something that sounds similar to Veibae that I can listen to and actually enjoy myself.

>>5884162
Please don’t say that because I’m kinda hearing it now and it’s bothering me. Please don’t ruin Yura for me.

But true as long as she doesn’t do pee pee poo poi Amy Schumer jokes she’s fine with me.

>>5884883
I'm told Veibae's accent is Polish, so probably it's just that Yura also has a Polish accent. So unless you really hate Polish people hopefully that's not something that would ruin it for you.

>>5885227
I might hate them now if they all sound like that. Ngl

>>5885584
Just play a historical video game and gain respect for Poland's great culture.
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/polandball-can-into-space-switch/

>>5881902
>"oh my"
I love her

>>5883084
>Ola probably could tho
It Orla nails the personality, she could be incredibly popular.

>>5888171
What's with the hype around this VTuber? I personally find her design to be hideous. But, I've been surprised many times as to which VTubers end up popular and which don't, so it seems that personality really is the largest factor, not design.

>>5888575
I feel like they must have let her go ahead with such a non-conventional design because they have faith in her ability to overcome the debuff that comes with that.