/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

OPs that are ESL should be a week ban

Does this mean Pomu is forced to quit since she didn't do her jp reps?

>>58587687
Riku is gonna axe the whole EN branch...

#niggas cant read lmaooo

>ESL OP
>Didn't even read the picture he posted
This board should be general only

>>58587687
Why won't they acknowledge where nijien's fans actually came from? Because they did not leave to start watching nijijp.

>>58587803
Maybe
Kotoka literally desperately panders to JOPs nowadays

>>58587687
If anyone actually cares about what was actually said Riku said that in the long term future he hopes for NijiEN to be able to become as big as NijiJP and for it to be a 50/50 split like the anime industry is with domestic and overseas.

>>58587803
The livers are doing more and more jp streams. Probably pressured by management.

>>58587937
Too much ego to admit defeats
This is the corpo that blatantly lying about their audience

Why would domestic (Japanese) viewers start with NijiEN over NijiJP? That’s a bizarre logic.

>>58588049
>force them to spam Chink learning streams to pander to chinks
>chinks leave
>"whatever, do Japanese learning streams now"
Kek they're so transparent

>>58588098
They always lie to themselves

>>58588098
>nips see new debut
>"oh cool there're new gaijins"
>watch streams for the novelty of foreign chuubas
>can't understand a word
>"damn this sucks"
>get bored and return to JP after like a week
>rinse and repeat

>>58588091
kek

>>58588091
Kek, this never gets old

So that's why jp livers aren't talking much the EN's livers, thy are avoiding the hassle

>>58588098
For some reason they are convinced nijien had a significant amount of jp fans who somehow didn't know nijiJP existed. So they claim nijiEN's numbers are down because these jp fans left for nijiJP. They don't want to acknowledge the SEA/chinese fans that carried nijiEN last year.

This board quite honestly lives in its own fantasy world when it comes to NijiEN. NijiEN on its own makes over a quarter of what Cover makes with all its branches combined. It's not going anywhere.

>>58588098
It's bs anon. Anycolor don't want to admit that NijiEN lost fans so they trying to frame it like people just move to JP

>>58588514
Let the retards circlejerk themselves anon. Pointing at the monkeys is always fun.

>>58588514
I think the problem started when you care more about what the company earn rather than what the talent earn

>>58588812
I love to laugh at nijifags who pretend they are at the top of the industry when small corpos mog them. Riku being rich and greedy is not helping the livers.

>>58589132
Strange that people only take objection to you talking about how the branch is doing financially when you are saying something positive. Weird how nobody is telling the OP not to care about how much the company is earning when he is making a post trying to imply its doing so poorly financially they are going to close the branch.

>>58587687
TLDR niji fans got fed up of EN's shit, learnt japanese and fucked off

>>58588485
They're basing that on merch sales for EN merch coming from Japan
All me btw, proxies are cheaper than en store ems

>>58589193
>they are at the top of the industry when small corpos mog them
Lmao.
See look at this funny little monkey, they say the stupidest shit.

>>58588037
>50/50 split
Just like the anime industry, the people who do most of the work (animators) won't see most of the money that comes from it. I feel bad for niji vtubers.

god i wish was an exec watching all these people with talent grinding their lives away to line my pockets with money

>>58589487
The yacht wasn't built in a day.

>>58588812
It's kind of hilarious to see them coming up with these fantasies about how NijiEN is going to be closed down. The reality of the situation is that when it comes down to it NijiEN is almost certainly the most profitable EN vtuber branch. People should be worried about HoloEN getting closed down if they are worried about NijiEN getting closed down.

>>58589257
Should have also reply to (OP), Buy yeah that is my point

source please, would like to read myself

>>58589388
>Lmao.
>See look at this funny little monkey, they say the stupidest shit.

>>58589623
LMAO

>>58589705
Vox's downfall is never not funny to see. Especially since he openly admitted it makes him depressed to the point of sleep deprivation and "physical symptoms of stress and axiety" kek

>>58589623
Nijien won't be closed down, they will just merge into jp like id. China left and now they are dying.

>>58589623
There's precedent of Nijisanji outright abandoning or even closing branches. So far, that never happened to hololive, regardless of their popularity or earnings (see holostars).

>>58589623
>This sister still living in the 2021
Do you know they're no longer making SCs?

>>58589550
Do you think he's going to sink Anycolor Unity-style?

>>58589806
HoloCN...

>>58589686
Yea cry little monkey.

>>58587687
Only retard that can't see this coming

>>58589705
Unfortunately viewer numbers do not convert into money made.

Cover made 5,142 million yen in their 1st quarter total as a company.
They have 75 members meaning each member on average makes around 68 million yen that quarter.
HoloEN has 14 members multiply that by 68 million yen a vtuber gives around 952 million yen.

NijiEN revenue Q1 2024 1,364 million yen
estimated HoloEN revenue Q1 2024 952 million yen

Anycolor's profit margins are much better than Covers. So considering HoloEN almost certainly makes less revenue than NijiEN they also almost certainly make less profit. Unless you have some reason to think HoloEN members make significantly more revenue per a vtuber than members of the other branches NijiEN is almost certainly the most profitable EN vtuber branch.

Why didn't those retard NijiJP execs just hire vod subbers to sub official channel programs back when NijiEN didn't even exist? I swear there was a lot of foreign interest in NijiJP content which was actually better back then. Just imagine if they went into that direction instead and we wouldn't have the trainwreck that is modern NijiEN today. This is kinda similar to why subbed anime is superior to shitty western dubs

>>58589623
Graduation or Termination:
>HoloEN: Sana
>nijien: Yugo, Zaion, Nina, Mysta
nijisis...you sure they won't close the branch...right?

>>58590048
Graduation
>HoloEN: Sana
>nijien: Nina, Mysta
Termination:
>Nijien: yugo
Burned to the ashes
>Nijien: zaion

>>58587687
Kek, he thinks JP viewers are significant

>>58589780
why even say dumb shit like this ID/KR never even made a fraction of the money EN does as you can see by the "other" within the doc. meanwhile en still pulling in 9 million a quarter.

>>58590217
I mean...look at nijien's ccv...
You won't have confidence in EN views too

>>58590021
Why don't have to try that hard sister. Cover has released how much the EN and ID branch makes compared to JP.

>>58589828
stats say otherwise

>>58590021
>2%

>>58589806
>So far, that never happened to hololive,
HoloCN.

>>58590021
>NijiEN revenue Q1 2024 1,364 million yen
>estimated HoloEN revenue Q1 2024 952 million yen
How many members are in NijiEnN versus HoloEN?

>>58589883
You know why they got closed, and it had nothing to do with their performance or numbers.

>>58590322
https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/964b1b7a/09f7/4be1/9415/fe25251d510d/20230809143240714s.pdf
please point to that because they do not have a break down of revenue by branch.

>>58589806
Except this isn't true at all.
They didn't close any branches, they merged them with the main Niji branch, no livers where let go, they could work as normal, as it stands KR is doing better than ever and 2 of their members are going to get 3D soon, others like seffyna are going to release music albums.
The outlier here is ID of course, but ID was always dogshit trash full of the laziest pieces of shit imaginable, on top of being backstabbing catty cunts, they're worthless trash throwing a tantrum and won't be missed.
Now I know what you're gonna shoot back with cause you're a disingeous faggot like all of #, but the virtual hostess shit wasn't a branch, it was a totally separate VR thing, and that got shutdown because the JP goverment wanted them to pay fees and licenses usually reserved for real hostess bars.

Niji crushes Cover in overall revenue, hell in goodwill, they actually granted troublemakers like Gundou a graduation, what did Cover do for one of their biggest talents? Just terminated her with no fanfare, then they took their other biggest talent and treated her like dogshit till she quit, you faggots just obscure these facts because you gobble Yagoo's cock and turned him into a deity.
>>58590287
No views are significant, CCV is the most wildly metric in existence, even the ones with the absolute highest viewership see them go up and down based off game choice.
NijiEN, hell Niji in general is better than ever but the monkeys cant accept it, everything's gotta be a big ol tribal war, OOK OOK BLUE DORITO GOOD, GAY PACMAN BAD, LE CHINA CAUSE IM A POLFAG THAT NEEDS TO MAKE EVERYTHING A PROXY WAR.
Nijisanji isn't going anywhere no matter how much you stupid faggots cry about it.

>>58590322
I have never seen any graph where Cover has directly given a breakdown of revenue by branch. Please feel free to post it if you have it though.

>>58590372
That's completely irrelevant to which branch is more profitable. If the NijiEN branch is making so little money you think Anycolor is considering shutting it down you should be worried about HoloEN even more because they are almost certainly making less.

>>58590433
When i say closed, i was referring to the Indian branch.

I'm so fucking tired of niji management. Just look at this >>58589780 shit.
>oh nijien doesnt make any revenue because we dont fucking make any promotions or events for them and barely produce any merch even though this small branch of like 20 people makes HALF of the entire 130+ crew of nijisanji combined in streaming revenue
>guess the streamers must be the problem

>>58590040
not subbing levergacha was so stupid
they could probably even find retards willing to do it for free if they tried

I always have fun in these kind of threads, because it shows that Nijifags spend more time defending Trashisanji in every single place possible, but they can't bother to support their oshis either through viewing them or donating to them

>>58590526
NijiEN has tons of merch and events and sponsors what are you talking about?

>>58590433
Stop copying sis
CCV is the king of metric when it comes to streaming
Japanese numberfags, 4chan numbersfags all only care about ccv
They see ccv as horse racing everyday

>>58590433
Chinks being subhuman, inherently psychopathic demonspawn and ontologically evil is just an objectively verifiable fact. It has nothing to do with politics.

>>58590577
Riku's biggest mistake was to create NijiEN. He could have just simply hired English translators to sub NijiJP official channel to get more viewrship

>>58590578
Show quarterly stats of nijien making 9 Million USD
>Doesn't support your oshi

>>58590021
holoEN making that much with less than half the members of nijiEN doesn't look good for the latter. That's 35 people vs 16.

Well it's been a while, and there's probably a bunch of newfags around sooo...

## NIJICOPE LIST - FULLY SOURCED EDITION
Numbered for your convenience and easy referencing.
Full list here (includes the removed shitposts, falseflags, schizoposts, non-niji and unsourced copes) : https://rentry.org/nijicopes/raw

** FRAMED IN GOLD - Direct from Anycolor and the Livers themselves **
> #01 Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural slow and steady growth (>>20457274) (<span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/31785447)</span>
> #02 Luxiem/Noctyx earn as much as Holo JP (>>19597187)
> #03 Council didn't do as well Luxiem (>>19597187)

** CLASSIC **
> #04 Nijisanji has SOUL/Quality (>>>/jp/31465719 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/35484805 >>>/jp/36325406)</span>
> #05 Nijisanji has better chemistry (>>4962776 <span class="deadlink">>>5591760 >>6383777)</span>
> #06 Nijisanji is building a sub-culture/VTubing culture (>>10983732 <span class="deadlink">>>11015414 >>11105922)</span>
> #07 Superchats don't matter, Nijisanji has more merch sales [no evidence] (>>>/jp/25750975 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/30117222 >>>/jp/31524177 >>>/jp/34129071 >>>/jp/34630791)</span>
> #08 Nijisanji has more creative freedom (>>>/jp/25078156 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/35915283 >>>/jp/36404268 >>>/jp/36412049)</span>
> #09 Foreign audience bad, local Nips good (>>>/jp/23900990 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/31522946 >>>/jp/31923947 >>2689172 >>3342175 >>3343926 >>3555435)</span>
> #10 Nijisanji is more popular than Holo in Japan (>>>/jp/27419919 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/29231034 >>>/jp/29352658 >>>/jp/34766571 >>1843302 >>3773035 >>7615028)</span>
> #11 Google trends (>>1787083 <span class="deadlink">>>1784574 >>2871777)</span>
> #12 This will be the end of Hololive/Holobubble will burst (>>10226380 <span class="deadlink">>>10959272 >>11111437)</span>
> #13 YouTube Trends (>>11812348)
> #14 Niji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market (>>12171645)
> #15 Cover and hololive fans use bots (>>3225905 <span class="deadlink">>>4283312 >>24804708)</span>
> #16 Hololive's restrictive management will cause their talents to eventually graduate (>>8445392 <span class="deadlink">>>11875343)</span>
> #17 Fortune telling a.k.a "J-just wait, Cover will fuck up something someday" (>>14561348 <span class="deadlink">>>14752560 >>14752914 >>21529067 >>22935912 >>23288417)</span>

** NUMBERS **
> #18 Ratiocope (>>5536896 <span class="deadlink">>>8648645 >>13972862 >>14457547 >>20388935)</span>
> #19 Dead cat bounce (>>10959272 <span class="deadlink">>>13922827 >>14015995 >>14198900)</span>
> #20 Quality numbers (>>14001847)
> #21 Just combine the peak CCV of all our streams and we win (>>13902618 <span class="deadlink">>>28700309 >>28701249)</span>
> #22 Statistics are fake numbers (>>15032001)
> #23 Luxiem has a better profit margin than Holofes (>>20201927)
> #24 Vox has the FASTEST SUB GROWTH in VTuber History (>>21373805 <span class="deadlink">>>21374368)</span>

** MERCH AND SPONSORS **
> #25 Holo merch is underproduced to create artificial scarcity (>>>/jp/32410399 <span class="deadlink">>>5902529 >>15489004 >>16388154)</span>
> #26 Selling out merch and concerts is actually bad (>>12121308, <span class="deadlink">>>28891055).</span>
> #27 You buy merch - even if it's shit - to support the liver, not to actually use it (>>23937339, <span class="deadlink">>>45830686)</span>
> #28 Sponsorships are retarded (>>12109798)
> #29 Associating with Hololive is toxic for Bushiroad's growth because China (>>19752522)

** IT DOESN'T COUNT **
> #30 Concerts and return streams don't count (>>11676374)
> #31 Outfit reveals don't count (>>14891587)
> #32 Pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count (>>12296330)
> #33 Koshien is not an event (>>12127247)
> #34 Bookwalker doesn't count (>>19629617)

** GENERAL **
> #35 Holocope list (>>12296493 <span class="deadlink">>>12457630 >>14120649)</span>
> #36 Niji is still #1, they just removed it from their webpage to show humility (>>11747638)
> #37 Trailers are the same as advertisements (>>10992803 <span class="deadlink">>>10992938)</span>
> #38 Holo EN was a desperate gambit to find an audience (>>11753740)
> #39 Hololive just got lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side (>>>/jp/29352541)
> #40 *Selen delusion here* (>>8854844 <span class="deadlink">>>12533326 >>12955114 >>13021182 >>13045705 >>13445167 >>14879823)</span>
> #41 Nijifans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement (>>12085330)
> #42 Trickle down viewers - "The big Nijisanji livers' viewers will trickle down to smaller channels" (>>12755553 <span class="deadlink">>>12755712 >>26476805 >>26704868)</span>
> #43 Nijifans will only watch a stream and Holofans will watch 3-4 so the Niji refresh rate is higher (>>17835784)
> #44 Niji is smart for not wasting money on useless conventions/concerts (>>20202005)
> #45 No true Nijifan - "There are no Nijifans here, only falseflaggers trying to make Nijifans look bad" (>>24913466, <span class="deadlink">>>26079927, >>26102448, >>26685075, >>26702974, >>26688516)</span>

And when all else fails...
> #46 Blatant Lying
> Vox is "higher" than Gura (>>24420454)
> Vox got a bigger billboard (>>24424746)
> Mika is the Queen of ID (>>24426268)
> SEA belongs to Mysta (>>24423909)
> Calling a straight graph a "worm" (>>24427484)

And after all that...
> #47 Playing the Victim : >>5836502 <span class="deadlink">>>11753740 >>13804174 >>14751831 >>43754038 >>44377149</span>

>>58590586
>nijien
>tons of events
read the fucking chart that i linked you utter retard. Nijisanji EN has never seen a dollar of event revenue in its entire existence. There are no events. They do 1/10th the promotions, a third of the merch, and literally 0 events, for half the streaming revenue.

>>58590578
If anything the fact that NijiEN is making more money than HoloEN inspite of getting destroyed in CCV regularly by HoloEN shows that your average Nijifag does much more to support their oshi than your average Holofag.

Oh so that's why sisters were mad today

>>58590716
10 member actually
Advent just debut

>>58590687
Yes nigger, you're supporting Niji, the company, not your oshi.Have you asked your oshi if they're doing fine? Or are you going to wait for them to quit like quite a lot of them have? Are they currently happy in Niji?

ook ook numbers I love numbers when they confirm my worldview

>>58590765
>Nijisanji EN has never seen a dollar of event revenue in its entire existence.
You should probably read the charts more closely the numbers on the bars don't add up to the total at the top. They do make money from events.
120+881+362=/= 1,364

>>58587687
dindu well as expected

t.ovid

>Mindbroken nijisisters itt
Kek

>>58590866
it sums to 1363. the missing milliyen is just them rounding the numbers to the nearest decimal, anon.

>>58590021
Just a correction, HoloEN would have had 10 members. Advent debuted in Q2. FY ends March, so Q1 would be April to June.
>>58590477
You do know revenue =/= profit right? Besides you don't even need to make this argument if you want to argue that HoloEN isn't as profitable. Given what has been said about revenue-sharing in AnyColor, NijiEN should be more profitable for the corporation. Just a reminder (revenue - costs, including talent cut = profit). With 32 members, total revenue being greater isn't surprising. Given the percentage the talents actual receive, NijiEN not being more profitable than HoloEN would be a failure on NijiEN's part.

>>58590973
It's the revenue for all the events they did that quarter. All the events they talked about in the investor conference where they specifically said they are focusing on using events to expand the fanbase rather than make big revenue like they do in the domestic business. Because NijiEN did tons of fucking events last quarter like so many.

>>58590843
Alright this again. Who is supposed to be the bad guys in this pic?
Is this calling out holodrones as monkey that attack nijisanji
Or it's calling out nijisanji as a threat that holodrones trying to defeat???
Did people who makes this even play balloon td?

>>58591063
It's interesting though isn't it that when I said NijiEN is almost certainly the most profitable EN vtuber branch it got the most pushback of anything in this thread even though its obvious it should be.

>>58590433
>they actually granted troublemakers like Gundou a graduation
Where is Zaion's graduation stream?

>>58590740
lmao

>>58591063
So I was also way overestimating how much revenue HoloEN would be making, with ten members it would be what
NijiEN revenue Q1 2024 1,364 million yen
estimated HoloEN revenue Q1 2024 680 million yen
NijiEN bringing in around double the amount HoloEN did.

>>58589388

>>58591069
Read the fucking slide. This is expanding nijisanji core into overseas markets, such as a live concert in hong kong or billibilli world to expose japanese niji to the chinese market. The only EN 'events' there are the generic meet-and-greet appearances at anime cons, on par with what any small corp or 4k indie also does. You are praising nijien for not being worse than phaseconnect.

>>58590740
I laugh at nijicope
I also laugh at Anon.

>>58591367
How come no celeb ever acknowledges the world famous Nijisanji?

>>58591379
Almost everything they are talking about there is NijiEN stuff. The only one that wasn't an event NijiEN was part of from the locations they name is Seoul. Do you even watch or follow NijiEN?

>>58591462
Are you the person responsible for canceling the concert or something? Why are you so defensive of nijien doing absolutely, objectively jackshit for their talents?

>>58587687
Thats not what the quote says but go off ESL.

It wouldn't even shock me if nijiEN is regressing but they care for the branding and making people aware of their members. They're basically saying that people who only care for nijiEN are now knowing what nijisanjiJP is. Please pick up a book OP. it'll help you a lot.

>>58589867
Imagine if he started charging the livers 20 cents per view

Which livers actually have JP fans?

>>58587893
This board should ban generals just so /#/ disappears forever

>>58591557
But you are talking nonsense? You specifically brought up live concerts in Hong Kong as not being a NijiEN thing when NijiEN has done one of those. You specifically brought up NijiEN not being at billibilli world when they were featured there too. You are saying NijiEN doesn't do any events using examples of events they did.

>>58591557 (me)
In fact, you know what, lets say you are right. NijiEN has done events for their idols. They do them all the time. Tons of events. In that case, they have yet to make more than 10000 USD revenue in any fiscal quarter from these events. Sometimes they cant even manage that.
That's even worse. I'd rather attribute it to active malice than to that much incompetence.

>>58591557
Just like all Nijiniggers, his oshi is Riku.

>>58591313
If we assume HoloJP, EN, ID, and Stars JP, EN, all generate Cover Corp the same amount of revenue, sure. That's a big claim to make. In addition, if we want to talk about just in terms of magnitude. Given that NijiEN has 3 times as many members, they should generate more revenue. Given what we know about their revenue cuts, the members would also be paid at a percentage less than what HoloEN would. Therefore, NijiEN should always be more profitable than HoloEN. Actually AnyColor should always be more profitable than Cover Corp.

>>58591722
https://twitter.com/virtualfes2023/status/1665690608860639235
https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv24911282/
Stop pretending you have any idea what you are talking about please.

>>58591799
But this reads like a lot of cope considering what certain people try to push with their handpicked numbers to prop their image up. Before you say anything their REVENUE is higher, even if they had the same cut the profits would be higher. And it's not worth pushing the idea that their model is a failure when they've been doing this for over 5 years and are still in fractic growth.

>>58591799
Seems like we are in agreement then. Financially speaking NijiEN is more successful than HoloEN so if you are going to worry about any one of them being shut down for not making enough money you should probably worry about HoloEN getting shut down first. But in reality both of them are making far too much money for their parent company to ever consider that.

>>58588037
That's never going to happen

>>58589623

NijiCN

>>58592273
Almost certainly not in the short term but who knows about the long term future. It took anime like 20+ years to reach the point where domestic conumption and overseas consumption was at about 50/50.

>Nijiniggers fuming ITT
KEEEEEEEEK!

>>58591437
They acknowledge each other though.

brownoid thread

>>58591674
"Model renting fee", the era of being paid 2% is over, now you have to pay to be in Nijisanji.

Holokeks are still seething about Anycolor mogging the fuck out of Cover in financial performance? That's ok, success breeds jealousy.

Still relevant to this day

>>58592455
please understand anon, at this point, the financial situation is the only thing they have left, their organs keep failing, nobody watches them, and they shit and piss every couple of months

>>58592530
You tell them sister. I'm glad my oshi the stocks and daddy riku mog hololive while livers live in dirt and are forced to work in their sweatshops like the parasites they are or doing literal slave labor in VTA with months of unpaid work to get my oshis yacht going

>>58591603
>It wouldn't even shock me if nijiEN is regressing
It is.
>They're basically saying that people who only care for nijiEN are now knowing what nijisanjiJP is.
There is no significant number of EOP who learned jp after finding nijiEN to watch nijiJP. And there is no significant amount of native jp vtuber fans who do not know what nijisanji is but SOMEHOW found nijiEN. Don't use Ayame for this retarded post nijifag. And ironic to mock OP's ESL while being ESL yourself.

>>58592403
I remember in an interview earlier this year with the general producer (the interview being about their 5th anniversary), they were talking about what it'd be like to reach their 10th and 20th anniversary and thus are working to make Nijisanji a long term project so they can reach those days.

>>58592740
Don't worry, holohobos are jumping at 360$ thrown at them like starving dogs. Compared to them, Niji livers are doing more then fine.

>>58590526
There's no "130" in Nijisanji and theres merch releasing for NijiEN all the time, with good one 99% of the time.

>>58592871
Is that why Pomu is going back to the wageslave job that she hated?

>>58592959
She's not doing such thing. She only talked about it for something for like 5 years when she doesnt even know if vtubers still will exist

>>58592959
Judging by your favorite circlejerk thread, she went back to her wageslave job a few hundred times already. So when it's happening? Two more weeks?

>>58588514
>supposed to be a rival to HoloEN
>Barely makes a quarter of its income even with all the talents they have
anon that's not the own you think it is, that's fucking pathetic

>>58588485
>slightly
That's underselling it but how would you explain to the shareholders that the branch exterminated their unicorns and like half of their fujos?

>>58592915
>There's no "130" in Nijisanji
please, do tell, how many talents are currently under the main branch of nijisanji then? I dont keep an active count because I dont watch them, but I am relatively confident it is still over 130 even after the VTA thing.

>>58592171
> being shut down for not making enough money
this is coming from nijisanji report, which removed the EN cope chart
keep supporting that 2% cut, sister

>>58588049
>>58588117
this is utterly bullshit btw. Only JP collabs are in JP, other than that only a few JP-only streams and 99% of streams are in english

>>58593176
VTA isn't part of Nijisanji in the first place for it to affect member counting.
And regardless, your vision on them is already wrong when Nijisanji is very top heavy, with 2018-2019 talents making the most money in the company, so its not even close to 100

>>58593131
NTA, but they make more than quarter of the entire Cover revenue, not just HoloEN.
In fact, NijiEN are making 2 times more revenue than HoloEN, do your reps on this whole thread.

>>58589705
>algorythmic project
>the box
>meridian project
>cloud horizon
>MAHAS
I have never heard about this corpos, how the fuck do they have more popular chubas than the ones that have generals here?

They gave up on NijiEN by producing voice packs, merch and opening auditions? consider them giving up when they stop doing even bare minimum

>>58593441
*these

>>58593441
EOP board

>>58593211
Damn, that's a lot of revenue. Mere 2% would be a LOT compared to holo's 360$.

>>58593211
yep some how all of them can live without a job on 2%. its laughable for people to even bring up someone that is a dramatuber source when cover and anycolor have the same gross profit margins

>>58593137
No they are cum eating cuckolds. Indonesia schizophrenia people. Seanigggers poorfaggoots normalfaggots seanigggers niggerfaggots so, yboys chugging s o,y white knights of e-girls whores thots that are married and have boyfriends husbands and children. And orgies with Holostars.

>>58593512
That was the chinese yuan from last year

>>58593587
Based and redpilled fellow NijiGOD.

>>58593587
but enough about nijisanji

>>58593467
N-no, y-you s-should trust h-holobros. T-they know better. NijiEN is officially over. Those official reports claiming that they plan to continue releasing new waves are obviously lying.

>>58593698
Is about Hololive faggots brown seanigggers trannies jannies.

>>58593571
Except 1 of them steals the revenue and pays no salaries. Can you remind us which one it was?

>>58593746
Hololive. Because Yagoo is the biggest pimp.

>>58593385
>VTA isn't part of Nijisanji in the first place for it to affect member counting.
>some of the members dont make much money
if niji gets a cut of a livers revenue split then they're in the chart. Unless VTA had a split chart too? Honestly I dont know, I never read the whole report. Regardless, my issue is that despite NijiEN having solid streaming revenue, their merch barely keeps up with NijiJP (honestly if this were the only issue it wouldnt be an issue, its usually only a small fraction lower than it should be by ratio) and they have no fucking sponsorships or event revenue at all, which seems to be a trend that the livers are doing everything they can to be popular but the EN management is dropping the ball at every turn.

>>58593571
This is not the 20th century. People can live without a job, anon
The dramatuber that Nijisanji tried to remove and failed miserably?
Didn't Nijisanji have to pay for settlements recently?

>>58593746
Reminder to everyone in this thread that no one could find proof that Cover pays a salary beyond that one clip mentioning getting some fixed income around debut to help the new talents set their footing.

holobronies can't take their L kek

>>58593861
>my oshi anycolor pays no salary so that means cover doesn't either
Do you even read the shit you post

>>58593746
>salaries
uses a 4 year old clip of Kanata when she lost her monetization

>>58593918
This was a discussion last time a report was posted and nobody could prove it. Stay mad.

>>58593983
>>58593926
Google the word "projection". And funny you tell others they are mad when you spam the thread on cooldown

>>58593571
Anon, you should explain what gross profit margins are, because holokeks are either dumb children or people whose peak of intelligence ends on counting coconuts when they climb palm trees naked.
Here is a good example of those kind of people: >>58593746

>>58593830
... do you even know what the fuck VTA is? they dont make any money with VTA which like I said, its not Nijisanji.
NijiEN has sponsorship all the time and they have 2 or more merch releasing mothly, and good ones at that.

>>58594054
>still no proof
concession accepted

>>58594086
You are the one claiming they have no salaries. The burden of proof is on you

>>58593983
lol niji's lack of salary has been proven though
basically all you have is a hope that cover's just as bad as niji KEK
because god forbid someone actually does provide the proof one day that cover destroys your shit of a company oshi bwahahaha

>>58594075
>they dont make any money with VTA
the channel is monetized, they cant just not account for whatever revenue it makes. it has to be somewhere.

>>58594133
NTA, but it was you assuming here >>58593746 that they, unlike niji, have salaries. Now give a proof.

hilarious holobrony meltdown just from a financial report. They convinced themselves that nijiEN was dying when it was doing great all along and nijis were comfortable financially despite bringing in only 3 digit viewers

>>58594075
God, why do I feel like I am talking to a powerpoint presentation at a shareholder meeting

they make dogshit sponsorships
>we have sponsorships lined up constantly and-
and they arent good ones, they dont make good money, and they dont increase awareness of nijiEN.

they have merch that is worse than niji core
>we have merch releasing at a regular pace of acceptable quality and we are reaching standard benchmarks and-
and the other half of the company goes above and beyond every time.

>>58594264
Holokeks are simply seething that their viewbots can't bring money.

>>58594264
issue is they can't understand that nijisanji has pretty much zero international presence, but can some how make more in revenue.
>Muh numbers ccv tell me they aren't popular.

please Please PLEASE shut down NijiEN so my oshi can move on to something better where management wont actively fuck her over left right and center

>>58594225
>>58594392
Except there's no revenue showing for VTA at all in their finances, but you would know that if you looked.
as for the other idiot, its clear you dont even know what youre talking about over sponsorship and merch if you think theres such a big difference, even more in 2023, for those two. Only good point you have are events, which are lacking.

>>58594484
your oshi is an adult and can decide things by herself.

I just looked into those financial reports and damn, Niji can't stop dabbing on holobums.

>>58594410
>zero international presence
Why would this dude cover them if they are irrelevant?
He must be a very nice person. Nijisanji should promote his contents!

>>58594844
>Why would this dude cover them if they are irrelevant?
Because he is a lying holonigger

>>58594940
Why are you so toxic?
it's a free exposure for irrelevant Nijisanji

>>58594844
NijiJP has pretty much zero clippers outside of japan. I'm pretty sure EN has more JP clippers so EN->JP subs.

>>58594712
>your oshi is an adult
Chronologically she is an adult, but mentally and physically she is loli

>>58594993
I don't believe in "negative exposure is still exposure" shit. Especially if this negative exposure is a bunch of bullshit.

>>58595121
but he is not lying unlike nijisanji >>58588091
Is being honest a negative trait?

>>58595251
>but he is not lying unlike nijisanji
Lmao, is that the famous holocope? He never provides proof for his claims.

>>58593137

Oof nijisis having a melty.

>>58595386
keep licking riku's ass, even the livers gave the numbers themselves >>58071431
why is nijisanji not sharing the split breakdown? Multiple corpos have shared their splits

>>58594410
NijiCN has(had?) huge relevance in china, though.

>>58589705
VOX IS BELOW KIARA?! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH

>>58595779
can you not read motherfucker "Nijisanji" as a whole you can take the largest members and go look at how many translated clips they have gotten or look at superchats and see that 99% of them are YEN even looking at hololyzer someone like kuzuha won't even break 1-2% English chat ratio. IE a larger stream today

>>58587803
>I want to make Nijisanji more known in the West
My job here is done

>>58595694
you're shoehorning a meet&greet zatsu to a financial report discussion?

Sea urchins are the funniest creatures on the board. They can't understand English despite it being their second language, they throw fits when its proven that NijiEn are actually pretty successful and rely on a dude who gets his information from /#/s as a source.
I still see people saying shit like
>Kson got 50% of all of her merch sales in hololive
When she addressed on stream that she was talking about her former contract in vsj, fauna and Axel have both said they make less from merch than superchats and the typical Sea urchins shout
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!!!!
Sea urchins spent weeks talking about how bad anycolors stock was only for it to be 2x as much as covers and even after the split is still more successful than covers
Sea urchins talk about how bad NijiEn is doing while Pomu has raked in more superchats than any member of council and makes a thousand+ per month through streamlabs which council can't even get.

Stay prickly sea urchins, your hate only makes NijiEn that much stronger

>>58595694
Niji did share that their talents get 45% of the revenue generated by the branch though

>>58596010
The post is about niji's "western" branch sis.

>>58592915
holy ESL
>with good one 99% of the time
LMAO

>>58587687
Too high on sleeping pill to do holo vs niji so uhhh
>2%
>All out war rumao
>Sinking ship
>I maybe cringe but I am free
>maimoto 200k view graduation bait
>Belo jogo
>Sieg zaion
>not gundou mirei getting out of prison and finally getting her YouTube play button
Uhh yeah

>>58596241
proof next post?

>>58596474
It's literally in the financial report they released.

>>58596241
Are you dumb? Direct variable costs is already 43.3% of revenue. Those costs include more than just revenue share w/ vtubers too, it includes merch, platform, and event costs. A profitable business like AnyColor doesn't get a 45.2% operating margin by paying their talents 45% of revenue.

>>58596554
It's in the report feel free to read it

>>58596197
>hiding behind peko

>>58596516
I read them. They are not disclosing the contractor splits. Provide your citation

>>58596661
What can I say. I love peko, everyone does. She hates sea urchins too I'm sure

>>58596586
Thank you for conceding. Furthermore, Cover Corp is paying its talents too much money to ever become as profitable as AnyColor. Based on Cover Corp's own numbers, in FY2024/3 Q1, it paid out 910MM Yen in performer remunerations or 36.3% of cost of sales. With 75 members, each gets an average of 12,133,333 yen or $82,076.26 in USD at a 1:147.83 exchange rate. If we assume a similar percentage for AnyColor, 36.3% of 4,284MM yen is 1,554.4MM yen. With 156 members, that's 9.96MM yen or $67,402.52 USD per person. $67,402.52 is more than enough for a vtuber to live off of. If Cover Corp wants to increase its profitability, it needs to learn from AnyColor and pay them less on average.

>>58596661
niji dying anytime soon?

>>58596197
SEAfags obsessed with Niji are pretty bad but your post is also horrific because it's clear you don't know anything about Hololive
>fauna and Axel have both said they make less from merch than superchats and the typical Sea urchins shout
They have never said this. You took a statement about generic merch and extrapolated it in the same way that you're complaining that did about ksons's statement. If this was true then a lot of Holos would not be fine with completely ignoring superchats and not reading them, because by your logic they would be making very little outside of their SC
In the end, your obsession with putting down Holo to the point of making false claims about them makes your entire post weaker. Just shut down the Niji antis with facts instead of coming off as a Holo anti.

>>58588514
> NijiEN on its own makes over a quarter of what Cover makes with all its branches combined
s-sure sis, if that lets you cope better...

Imagine defending Nijisanji, a black company, in 2023. I don't have anything against the girls, go ahead and support them, but why would you defend this trash company?

>>58596931
Next financial report will surely showcase their death...stay strong my brother in peko

>>58596954
>you took a statement about generic merch
Ohhhhhhhhhh you mean like the 2% figure? That's so interesting that only one side is allowed to use the generic merch excuse, kek

>>58596991
everyone can see the holobrony's agenda

>>58590433
> except this isn't true at all.
> i-ignore those, they're b-brown, they don't count

>>58596954
Unlike a lot of Holos Fauna gets good SC. Her answer was clear, depending on the merch she makes more off of SC than merch

This doesn't mean other Holos make NOTHING off of merch, but it does mean if they had a good SC they might make more. Maybe those holos are just perfectly happy with what they make off of merch and don't feel like they want more, that doesn't change that if they had a SC game like Fauna they might be making more off that.

>>58596991
Management and livers come here. Anyway good on them keeping the thread bumped

>>58597054
I'm not one of the people spamming 2%, and Holo birthday merch is generally more unique than Niji birthday merch anyway so it would make a new they get more of a cut. If you want to be one of the people shitting up the board with garbage tribalism though be my guest.

This thread is so fucking funny

>>58597066
What agenda? I don't even watch Holos. You think 2%, being a vtuber factory, keeping play buttons, canceling concerts without refunds, giving no support to talents, is what a good company does? If you care about your oshi you wish they were in another company. Stop sucking Riku's dick like an NPC.

>>58593861
>>58593983
multiple talents have said it, I'm fine with believing them.
you can continue coping and calling everyone else liars like you always do though.

>>58596954
> Just shut down the Niji antis with facts instead of coming off as a Holo anti.
a-anon... how are they supposed to refute reality..?

>>58597212
sure you don't. You spam talents over company but when people are actually discussing any talent that isn't holo you have a meltdown. Quit gargling yagoo's diarrhea

>>58597312
Poorbles shouldn't be posting here, no SC, no merch, she probably makes less than fucking Finana kek
No wonder her laptop can't run anything

>>58597101
Even in that case anycolor actually promoted them to staff. 2/3s of those ended up working staff positions at anycolor and helped establish the en branch. What he said about coco and rushia was true though. Coco was restricted from en collabs despite being a large reason why en was brought in. She was literally suspended for saying the name of a country for "her own safety" and then they promoted people who were spamming dox to moderator status in her channel.
Rushia violated her contract and absolutely deserved to be fired but on the same hand she wasn't given an opportunity to graduate like gundou was.

Granted knowing rushia it would have been her begging cover for a second chance the entire stream while bawling her eyes out and I'm not sure anyone wants to watch that.

>>58597216
No they haven't you have one clip of someone using 給料 which person tled as salary and in the context means paycheck, meanwhile you have lamy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwYsDj3SASw

>>58597054
I love how nijifags fluctuate between "oh EVERYONE knows about the 2% from merch this is old news" and "it's not real idiot" depending on the day.

>>58597478
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qy7fpBqSSU
same, nina got promoted to staff (false)

>>58597500
I can just tell you off the top of my head kiara said on stream her cover salary is shit because the yen is shit
inb4 proof? watch streams nigger

>>58597216
Except they really haven't. Kiara is the only one who has said it in years and she was referring to the monthly paycheck she gets from her earnings. The salary even when it was discussed was less than minimum wage in Japan which means that it was less than $4.50 an hour.
I'm pretty sure cover just retired the program because even if your channel gets demonetized, superchats and memberships should make up for that.

>>58597586
all of her money would be yen you dumb fuck

>>58596916
>$67,402.52 is more than enough for a vtuber to live off of
so beautiful when people put "average per person" when in reality a couple earn this, some earn multiple times these 67k
and others don't get even half

>>58597397
Oh so the only argument you have is that I might actually care about Hololive? That invalidates everything I said?

>>58597582
Nobody was talking about Nina? Nina got a full fledged graduation where everyone came in and talked about how much she was loved.
Meanwhile:
https://youtu.be/rsiabqlX8Fc
You can also find the male IN member on ukis practice stream that was accidentally open to the public.
Noor was Lazulights manager for a long time

>>58597660
Which is fine because this thread hasn't been about the welfare of the livers but about the profitability of Nijisanji and NijiEN as a corporate branch.

>>58597714
the fact that you're avatarfagging as plappa is enough proof

>>58597714
>that invalidates everything I said?
yes, actually. Don't think you can now dig yourself out of being a lying dramafaggot now that you openly admit you're a holobrony

Why does nijisanji keep the playbuttons?

>>58597778
>>58597800
>Still no argument
I see...

勝ってるのは祭壇文化のあるキチガイ夜職が大量買するグッズ売上だけで
配信人気の指標たる同接や再生数が決算レベルで完敗してるのがわかったから。


えにからQ1
ライブストリーミング領域 12.88億
イベント領域 3.33億

カバーQ1
配信コンテンツ 16.51億
ライブ/イベント 3.76億

The Japs have already answered for you, Nijisanji have crazy otaku female fans who buy merchandise to create altars to brag on like, Like them girls who bought 100 Kuzuha CD's and stacked them up in a nice pyramid to show on twitter.

Really wish this board had flags, there's a few regulars in these catalog threads that I want to see outed. The insanely tribalistic pomie who still has a grudge over shitposters from the Pomu surgery arc, the SEA holoposter who always makes Niji bait threads with a subject, the Sad Pomu image spammer who really hates Pomu, the Nijifag who shits up /#/ and uses "HoloEn"/"NijiEn", fhe list goes on. Sometimes I wonder if it's just the same 20 people seething against each other over and over again in these threads.

Its just really bizarre how /vt/ is the only board on 4chan where the "no racism" rule is actually enforced, you can't say anything about people from the SEA region or your post gets deleted and you get banned

>>58597500
and you're simply copy pasting clips with zero context.
lamy designed and funded her own sake line, got 100% of the profits from the entire thing.
sure, that will cause your income to be lower for a month or two, but it'll give 10x the return in the upcoming months.
Watame has also talked similar stuff for her MV production : https://youtu.be/TXQfjTh5Fyc

>>58597969
That would give all the luxsea fans the mark of shame.

>>58598098
Only because some janny didn't like what you typed. Rules are only enforced when janny disagrees with you.

>>58597834
In all honesty I'm not sure, I guess it's kinda like one of those record companies that have the records of all of their big names on the walls as a way to showcase it.
Now, one of the boys did mention on stream that you can get a physical copy of it too if you so desire but a lot of people really dont because at the end of the day it's a desk ornament.
Like it's cool and all but as a corporate vtuber you're almost guaranteed a silver button within your first week. Not really much of an achievement if it's something so easily earned

>>58598113
clearly you didn't watch the clip where she says what is from her salary which is superchats and goods

>>58597617
Coco and Kanata as well as Polka have mentioned stuff about their salary on stream.
You will of course continue to shriek at nothing, but it doesn't really matter whether you believe it or not
only that me and every other holofan does

>>58598098
Let's be real. Every post that's gotten deleted for racism on /vt/ has also been garbage even outside of that. It's just a convenient excuse to get rid of the trash.
Frankly if you can't make your point without seething about ethnicity you're probably too stupid to post.

>>58598171
Yes, it temporarily reduces when they pay to design and create goods, and they get back 10x when these goods go on sale and bought by all their fans - with their cut depending on how much they put in.
There's a reason holos invest so much in their merch, they get proportional returns.
Of course, a guy who can't even read can't be expected to know what all these words mean.

>>58598326
Not my fault that people from the SEA region consistently make the most abhorrent posts and are generically schizophrenic

>>58597853
If you want an actual argument I'm not either of those but I'll provide you with one.
Kiara on one of her membership streams flat out revealed that when she asked to collab with pomu, her manager ghosted her for a literal year. She's also mentioned that her managers will ghost her for months at a time sometimes.
The discord leak from their side also showcases that management doesn't really seem to organize sponsorship stuff and it's left to the talents to figure it out themselves which, thank God for Kiara for tardwrangling people constantly so they're able to get to the sponsorship on time.
Management also refused to help Kiara get a work visa to stay in Japan when she first was in hololive and also refused to help out myth at all with equipment when they did their offline collab in Japan with Kiara once again organizing the whole thing.
Ame was denied the use of any of covers equipment for home 3d.

On the jp side of things, watching cocos last couple of weeks were rough. When management suspended her for saying "Taiwan" and then actively denied her from having chat mods and went as far as to promote people spamming harassment and dox in her chat to moderator status so she couldn't ban them.
Management wouldn't let her do any of her collabs with people because they feared the antis they refused to ban would harass more than just coco.

Overall management for hololive has gotten slightly better but even then it seems like it's a mostly hands off approach for both companies

>>58598590
that isn't why I was sending the clip it had nothing to do with her not getting paid for months. It had all to do with her telling what her salary is from which was said was only from fans and had nothing to do with some random pay from cover. you are focusing to much on the clickbait title.

>>58596197
>Kson got 50% of all of her merch sales in hololive
>When she addressed on stream that she was talking about her former contract in vsj
no she never said anything like that on stream, she was clearly referring to hololive

>>58587687

NijiJP grew 80% YtY. NijiEN dropped 16% YtY.

No wonder they no longer care.

>>58590048
Why aren't you counting the homos

>>58598868
kek

>>58598320
Years ago. Yes. Not within any timeframe recently. And sure, you can believe that your oshi makes less than an additional 4.50 an hour it really doesn't matter one way or another. When the JPs did talk about salary it was discussed to be less than the minimum wage of JP which was upped in 2022 to be 4.48 USD minimum. Even if you wanna go to 4.46 that means if your oshi streams for 4 hours she gets an additional 17.88. If she does that 4x a week she gets under $100 a week extra. She's also taxed on that so she's not even making that.

>>58598774
She literally did the next stream where she was talking about how she had renegotiated her vshojo contract. Vshojo only takes merch cuts they allow you to keep all superchats, streamlabs, bits, memberships or whatever it is on twitch. She implied on the stream that yes, her contract with vshojo was previously 50/50 for merch and she found it unfair.

>>58598868
The post the anon replied to only talked about HoloEN and NijiEN
>>58598866
NijiEN is in an okay spot though. If you add NijiJP and NijiEN together, even though NijiEN has 20.5% of the members, they provide 15.5% of the revenue.

>>58598866
When will you actually learn how to read? I swear the literacy rates in the Philippines must be dropping lately

>>58599021
I watch every single kson stream, whoever told you that happened lied to you. She was tweeting about hololive.

>>58598941
obiously 300usd a month is a holo talking point worth bringing up when a niji financial report slaps them back into reality that nijiEN isn't dying

>>58599065
I watch her too and I literally watched the stream where she was talking about contract renegotiating. She never mentions hololive and heavily implied that it was vsj she was talking about because kson avoids mentioning hololive for the most part and even avoids comparing them to vshojo.

>>58599023
They are HoloEN don't you fuckin go "t-they don't count"

>>58598651
Even if you're right as a baseline/average, it's a convenient scapegoat for Americans and Euros who can be just as bad when they want to be

>>58599211
https://twitter.com/KHolosimp/status/1702629062467092713
the type of "people" you're talking to. Just looking for any reason to validate their delusion that niji is dying

>>58599175
The thread has been saying that HoloEN has 10-14 members. So in the case of the discourse of the thread, StarsEN don't count.

>>58599536
it's not like their revenue is expressive so whatever

>>58599161
the key words are "i used to bitch"
coco used to complain about hololive taking her money all the time
kson never complained about vshojo taking her money, or about anything really
that's how you know

>>58599581
Well we've been comparing HoloEN to NijiEN by taking the Q1 revenue dividing it by 75 and multiplying it by 10/14 and concluding that HoloEN is less profitable. So per the discourse of this thread if you can believe it, StarsEN and StarsJP make Cover Corp revenue on par with HoloJP and HoloEN.

>>58599424
This guy is an insufferable faggot on so many levels, homobeggar, unironic tribalfag, spreads the shittiest /vt/ rrats. I wonder if he posts here.

>>58599697
fucking kek

>>58599697
Flawless logic thank you nijiGODS

>>58599851
ya I mean if we cherry pick Bettel not even a year in

nijifags are insane

>the absolute state of this thread
Repeat after me:
Rangeban SEA and delete /#/.

>>58599021
timestamp?

>>58600696
It was revealed to me in a dream

>>58599595
Kson never complained about Holo taking her money when she was coco. In fact that was one of the only things she never complained about.
Literally the next stream she had as kson after that tweet she was going on and on about how she had gotten even better negotiations with her contract in vshojo and like I said merch is literally the only thing vshojo takes a cut out of because vshojo pays for the operating costs, manufacturing, Warehouses, artists and literally everything else. The fact that she complained about losing 50% while not contributing to anything when it comes to the merch is kinda mind boggling imo.

feels good to be a nijiCHAD

>>58601703
Coco was a mistake

>>58591711
Just ban /#/ and so many problems will clear up

>>58590388
While I agree with you, the official reason given by Hololive is that they were not profitable, we know it was not but we can't just ignore it.

>>58601703
delusional

>>58598696
>her manager ghosted her for a literal year.
For someone that lived in Japan for many years, it's incredible how blockhead she is. When a japanese person doesn't answer you directly at something is their 'polite' way to said 'no'.
>went as far as to promote people spamming harassment and dox in her chat
Things that never happen.

wow the niji homo shills are out in full force today

go enjoy your three views

you nijibots probably get paid more than the nijien talents so go donate some of your funding from your ceo

There's quite a bit of deflection in this thread

>>58591367
AAIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>58606330
I was literally there at the time. Chinese antis were in chat spamming harassment and dox shit and ended up being promoted to moderator status in a "mistake" made by cover
>>58604725
And no, that quite literally is their model. Vshojo takes nothing but merch cuts because they quite literally put all of the costs of merch on themselves. With both axel and Fauna discussing how most merch is worth less than a superchat and with the fact that kson very very very seldom ever makes reference to her time in holo and with the fact that she spent the next stream talking entirely about how she had renegotiated her contract after nyanners left, there's a pretty clear indication she wasn't getting 50% in holo and as coco she never once complained about any of the cuts she got. As kson she's gotten used to being treated like a celebrity and has vsj wrapped around her finger for better or worse.

Not after 3D AR cancellation

>>58591367
https://twitter.com/Kojima_Hideo/status/1460974244855422979
TRIBALFAGS DONT LOOK!!!!

>>58598696
Proof next thread?

>>58594264
Bill Gates is the most successful youtuber then since he's billionaire even though there's thousands of channels more watched than his

>>58606861
>kson very very very seldom ever makes reference to her time in holo
when she does it's usually about something negative that she experienced there, this was one of those times
>she spent the next stream talking entirely about how she had renegotiated her contract after nyanners left
that didn't happen. she spent 5 minutes explaining to twitter retards that not signing a contract in order to go sign a better one doesn't make vshojo evil, then she played a video game.
>as coco she never once complained about any of the cuts she got
lol

>>58606330
>Things that never happen.
happened*
https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1357654796577107968
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1357648899494715396
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/ld57gq/to_anyone_who_might_have_been_blocked_from/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/li73xf/am_i_banned_from_cocos_chat/
They never actually checked these emails though and Coco had to unban people herself.
https://twitter.com/kiryucoco/status/1360209084847280128

>>58598150
Fuck off seanigggers cum eating cuckolds.

>>58600072
Holofaggots are insane perhaps and numbertrannies too>>58599424
Like this cum eating cuckold. So, yboy chugging s,o y fagoot. You faggots act like Twitter trannies.

>>58611878
That guy is a homobeggar

>>58587687
? doesn't the OP image point in the oposite direction of what OP is satying? that it is better for anycolor to have both EN and niji to catch more audience? or mi ESL ass missunderstanding this?

reminder
>the reason IN get disbanded is because there no vtuber community in india back in 2020
>the reason ID and KR get disbanded is because anycolor became IPO
still don't know what happened to pic tho

>>58587687
why the fuck is this translation so shit, is it MTL garbage or ESL garbage?

>>58591379
>not being worse than phaseconnect
meanwhile at Phase Connect

LICK LICK LICK LICK THE ASS OF RIKU TAZUMI GO GO GO GET THAT 2 DOLLARS GOOGLE GIFT CARD! LICK LICK LICK LICK THE ASS OF RIKU TAZUMI!
NIJI DEFENSE FORCE GO GO GO! (go go go!)
LICK LICK LICK LICK THE ASS OF RIKU TAZUMI (our savior!)

>>58587687
NijiEN will get another wave to fx things

>>58598730
> nothing to do with some random pay from cover
I assume you haven't watched Kanata talking about the base salary they used to get back then : https://youtu.be/Vpw7b1qV3qw
Both Kanata and Coco had their monetization delayed by a lot, I believe it was in February that her channel got monetized (https://youtu.be/_i_AxXSfceM)), and that income arrived in April (https://youtu.be/DdvxuFBu_WQ).).

So during that period, they had to live on the base salary that Cover gave to all talents (which was 20,000 Yen at the time).
It's likely bigger nowadays but most talents get monetized so quick that it's a blip in the radar compared to their other income.
So most of them don't talk about that anymore.

>>58598941
at least holo talents were given SOMETHING rather than the zero base salary that niji livers get.

>>58604310
>official reason given by Hololive
Afaik there was no official reason, if you have any official press release where they specify it you're welcome to link it.
If you want a reason, it's because the chinese wanted them out of China.

i have no dog in this so called 'fight'
but its so bizarre to me that everytime niji got mentioned, thr fans always brag about money.
something something revenue, percentage, expansion etc.
baffling, like legit drone behaviour

>>58587869
Please help them

>>58597478
>she wasn't given an opportunity to graduate like gundou was.
This fucking loaded wording. As if Gundou did a crime and Nijisanji graciously allowed her to have a graduation stream, the saints.
As if it was in any way comparable to the Rushia case.

>>58598166
>I believe it's not valuable therefore they should not get it.
Do you think your oshi would say no if you asked her if she genuinely wanted to keep that play button? Do you think the extra hundred bucks is too much money for nijisanji to spend on people who make them millions? If it has no value, why do they need to keep them in their office? Aren't you just trying to cope about how it isn't a dick move actually?

>>58639035
I mean gundou knew what she was doing, she was always trying to push the envelope further and further until eventually she pushed too far and was told to either shape up or graduate. She chose the latter. She's a bit of a menhera but in the fun to watch trainwreck kinda way vs the sad clinging onto the past kinda way. While not really comparable, nobody really is comparable to either coco or Rushia in Niji. Afaik there's been no history of anyone being suspended over mentioning country analytics and even NijiEn have addressed and said Taiwan multiple times on stream. There's never been a nijisanji talent who has ran to dramafags to try to proclaim innocence, there has never been a person suspended for having a male voice on stream, there has never been an incident of dox fags being promoted to moderator status and banning people in streams
>>58639157
Also I would highly advise reading the response you're replying to before you actually reply. You might better understand if you do so. Granted from what I've been told about the failing literacy rates in your country, my response might have confused you and for that I apologize.

Nijisanji management is garbage however they understand the fans needs and supply them with it, Holo management is trying to be some revolutionary leader and trying all different things while pissing off current fans.

>>58635654
It's really easy: Hololive fans are fans of the talent, while Nijifags are fans of the company.

>>58639612
Not the same anon but other holos have mentioned taiwan after the incident. Also letting coco and haato stream would attract more bugs to spam them. This is just japanese standard 101 pr to let the flame die down using 'suspension' as an excuse, it didn't work because bugs are more schizo than expected. Towa was not suspended by management. Mod issue is a mistake by some cover staff i will give you that. As for other niji yabs, i don't watch and care about nijis may be other anons can fill in.

>>58587687
Did we read two completely different articles? Your picrel states the exact opposite of you

>>58606326
>We don't like this rumor of 2-5% percent
>Therefor we will give 0% until they get a higher % that which we will never be given privy access to or information regarding
Holy shit are Nijifans unironically this retarded?

>>58609556
Nice larp.

>>58641295
hololive fans are the biggest tribalshitters on the board so that seems not to be the case
the money talk usually starts with holobronies making some false statement about cover being bigger

>>58639612
Actually, there has been a Niji talent who ran to dramafags - Yugo did. That's why he was fired

>>58587687
>Expect nijien end up like KR and ID
That won't happen since NijiEN is profitable unlike the former NijiKR and NijiID.

>>58641250
>understand the fans needs and supply them with it
LMAO

What's with mysta and reimu begging for items on throne?

>>58635654
Pretty sure it's management, the way they talk is too weird for a normal fan

>>58646514
Proof next thread. By the way, you're literally defaming Yugo here trying to frame the company. I don't see notYugo being blacklisted anywhere, her music career is thriving instead compared to before she joined and her time in Nijisanji.

>>58647885
What happened with Yugo was when he was being shittalked on 2chan and the like he was desperate to defend himself, so desperate even he forgot how obvious his language was. People were able to tell instantly it was Yugo trying to defend himself and laughed him out of the site. He wasn't blacklisted, but he was fired from Niji for being a ticking time bomb, and it's why the JPs were glad they fired him

>>58647965
Nice headcanon. Below threadreading level even.

>>58647205
Reimu is not being paid by anycolor
>>58642551

>>58592403
>Almost certainly not in the short term but who knows about the long term future.
Anon, the vtuber bubble has already burst in the West. It started to nosedive a year ago. It's still flourishing in the East. The only question about the future is "how much more dead will it become?" There isn't going to be a second wind. Vtubing isn't suddenly going to get massively popular again in the West. There isn't going to be another surge of fresh debuts easily breaking 1m subs. The best anyone can hope for is stagnation but even that isn't realistic with how oversaturated the market has become and how a vast majority have nothing to offer.

>>58647205
More acceptable for mysta since he's already graduated and he has no more steady income.
Reimu is just greedy

>>58587687
Total Niji death, Riku will do it.

>>58621485
These were nijisanji only in name, another company ran them called capsule after the licensing was over it wasn't renewed.

>>58635654
as opposed to what? Entertaining the holoretard poster's lies? Clearly there's something about this niji financial report that makes them have a meltdown because they just spread rumors around in their bubble