/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://www.hololive-songs.com/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>58301246
TT are glorified paid shills. Of course they will never accomplish anything notable besides having their niche podcast.

>>58301298
because woman

Also holy shit why are you so fucking slow you dumb fuck OP
kill yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZfAdZuaok

>>58301534
is Mumei this hot?

its supposed to be rion gold, but eh.

>randon in 3 minutes
Let go watch him and support him

Zoomer + fps should be an automatic discard

>Raden likes to smoke
>Smokes Winston
Could she have at least chosen a better brand?

This thread is going to be trash

>>58301534
Holy shit thread incoming

>>58301174
she doesn't really enjoy streaming, she made that pretty clear early on

>>58301534
>>58301545
#coom4moom

CCV predictions for the next batch of ReGLOSS streams?

>>58301381

>>58301246
Who the fuck is TT?

>>58301581
I don't know how JPkeks insist on Laplus staying when she's showing a tendencies to be Mori 2.0, worst is that Mori is more subtle and less upfront on referencing her hater, but Laplus doing it the Miguel ways of confronting them.
It's stupid, I don't want her to pull her gen down to her level since KoyoKoyo is a genuinely hardworking woman.

>>58301534
All the brothers want to do is coom 4 moom all day

>not king op
COWARDlive sisters?

>>58301622
45k

>>58301619
So basically she got permission from management to go to Twitch to hide that she doesn't really like streaming and make up an excuse why she doesn't like her numbers in YT?

>>58301657
DIY.

are there creators like this in EN

>>58301644
trash taste

>>58301644

>>58301644

If you comment in her recent stream, she will probably reply to you

>>58301657
kingwho? it's rion gold

>>58301653
>koyori
do you actually watch the stream? be honest anon

>>58301657
It'd be Rion lewds if anything. The winning stream wasn't on Tokyo Ghoul's channel.

>>58301689
forgot link, fuck
https://www.youtube.com/@YUUSHA04JP/videos

>>58301622
Raden 40k

>>58301246
she still friends with connor and the rest of TT they show up at all of notMori shows backstage, but im pretty sure she's smart enough to know that the holo fanbase would dog pile her if she did anything with then on Mori.

>>58301713

>>58301653
>Mori 2.0
Retarded comparison. Mori has done a lot of stupid things but she NEVER told her audience that all she cared about was their money.

>>58301725
I did, and what you gonna do about it? Defend Lap-sama more?

I come back from playing Starfield for 3 hours and see La+ is having a mental meltdown again. What the fuck is wrong with this girl

>>58301644
I hate Advent. Go back.

>>58301713
no way she that fucking dumb
is she really replying all hate comment?

>>58301713
Holy retardGOD

>>58301644
Tony Todd

>>58301713
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

More Fauna Starfield

>>58301713
kek what a retard

>>58301713
LETS GOOOO MENHERA ARC

>>58301713
Jesus

>>58301767
Jezas That's even worst than Mori, how the fuck did she became like this?

>>58301713
WOO BOY NIPS DRAMAFAGS EATING GOOD!!! SHUT IT DOWN MANE-SAN!

>>58301746
doesnt YUUSHA have an EN channel?

>>58301713
she's so easy..
lapschizo, i admit defeat

>>58301713
This is tricky to defend...

>>58301805
I thought she put a frame up, I need to send my snail super sticker

>>58301713
pfftttttttttttttttttttt

>>58301713
STOP DOING THIS SHIT YOU DUMB FUCKING BITCH

>>58301713
lmao

all holo zoomers need to have dedicated hag holo

>>58301713
Honorary NijiJP

La+ owning ze haters arc let's go!
Her faults for spending time with 5ch schizos.

>>58301669
her numbers in YT shorts is pretty fine, probably only behind sencho and a few others in hololive proper. Not all her shorts gets views, but that's the nature of shorts algo.

>1.8M in 3months
https://youtube.com/shorts/n046RysxW_I?si=65qZMfZmQx9L0fgo

>1.2M in 1.5 months
https://youtube.com/shorts/6xhyrlya_rk?si=34k-7sy5iuN1se66

>1.1M in 2 months
https://youtube.com/shorts/6xhyrlya_rk?si=2wpn4auJmD1USTzK

as a holo numberfag, i can get behind the shorts strategy. i pity plusmates for getting the short end of the stick however.

>HOLOLIVE BOARD
>HOLOLIVE THREAD

>>58301713
This is the difference between her and Goobs. Gura would never be dumb enough to do this

>>58301767
>Her fanbase unironically call her Money Mori
nice try deadcuck

>>58301713
And it didn't even take that long to prove my post... godddddd why
>>58301653

Just so you know, I'm not stopping until Ao is last.

>>58301713
>MENHERA ARC
MENHERA ARC
>MENHERA ARC
MENHERA ARC
>MENHERA ARC
MENHERA ARC
>MENHERA ARC
MENHERA ARC

>>58301713
Time for another management mandated mental health break?

>>58301653
JPs call La+ JP Mori because she is disliked over there for roommate stuff similar to how Mori is disliked here, but that dislike isn't carried beyond the scope of of their main fandom (like Mori is generally well received in Japan and La+ is generally well received outside of Japan). That's the entire basis of the the usage.

>>58301758
Those niggas are NOT jet setting around the world to go to NotMori's concerts they have better shit to do lmao
I get what you mean but it's better to say they show up to SOME of her shows, not all. Giguk is not flying out to america for a concert

>>58301669
You don’t really have to entertain chat during FPS streams and no need to make thumbnails like on YT.

>>58301713
She's really going off the deep end.

>>58301713
Welp, at least it makes sense given her age unlike Rushia being a hag and acting like a recently graduated teenager.

>>58301713
maybe is the newfags here but didnt she do this already?
im quite sure she has repleid to bunch of critiques before.

>>58301298
It's human nature to focus on the negative. It's very difficult to be someone that tries her best to only focus on the positives and only on her supporters. Take Gura as an example. She has never given the time of day to haters, even when it's from weakbuds sperging out at her. No snarky remark. No scolding. Just nothing at all.
The old Mori would probably have light up that Joshua guy sperging out at FWMC on Twitter and made him a martyr. Instead today she just quietly cut ties from him and moved on, which is the better way to do things.

>>58301885
Shorts don't make dough though right? I don't know if it's true obviously.
Only reason I said that is because I saw a lot of shorts from people making them that it doesn't bring in profit.

>>58301713
Holy shit, I missed her stream and last thread, this is how she comes back? Fucking menhera zoomer, what a fucking idiot.

>>58301669
>to hide that she doesn't really like streaming
Didn't she say that in her debut stream, about her desire to go with the
>uploaded videos
meta instead of live streaming?

I say she'll fail miserably but she's at least consistent in this

>>58301777
She spend literally half the stream defending holo from antis. of course only the slides where she's talking about her future activities are posted itt. prove to me you aren't full of shit threadreaderfag

>>58301713
welp time for another hiatus and miss another holox anniv live

まぁ、金

>>58301713
Manechan doko? Take her account away from her now.

>>58301974
Laplus already spelled it out. She cares about numbers more than money

>>58301713
this is why all the loli chuubas you will get from now on will be voiced by hags, they are far superior

>>58301989
nta but she shouldn't be giving attention to antis in the first place

>>58301960
It's ALWAYS never a good thing to do this, ALWAYS RBI no matter what situation you're in

>>58301713
Don't these people have fucking friends that will just tell them to stop digging?
This is insane

>>58302031
What's the point of numbers if it doesn't bring money then?
To feel good?

>>58301974
she isnt doing this for money.
just to keep content going.

>>58301713
Get Aloe'd soon

Is Raden Hololive's first 50k+ streamer?

>>58301979
She’s just saying she’s not complaining and want to do short video. Am i missing something

>>58301960
Everytime she does this, she goes on a long menhera break (probably stealth suspension)

Overlapped unraided mori
>Mogs luxiem top dogs
>Mogs your massively promoted anniversary stream
>Mogs your JP pandering handcam

>>58302042
>young woman
>friends
It's all groomers anon

>>58301974
she doesn't care about money, she rather have views and subs
that's literally one point of her stream

>>58302064
>stealth suspension
this isn't niji

She need some therapy.

>>58302052
I mean people host money losing events all the time just for ego

>>58301911
This proves that La+ was never bullied in school. Gura has first hand experience dealing with haters.

>>58301653
We LOVE miss Darknessss in this thread DESU~~~~

>>58302064
>probably stealth suspension
Nice try, nijisis

The power gap between this gen is pretty insane.
Although Raden did get a buff from not showig her face that much during debut.

>>58302091
But point 3 in her slide is money.

>>58302041
unless is something REALLY stupid like what mysta and mmori did.
shouldnt be an issue, this is a short answer saying stream isnt everything which is ok and is aware of the curretn situation. which is how she repsonded back then to to some critique

>>58301960
It's worse because she spent a whole month without streaming on her channel, comeback with a stream saying she is focusing on fucking TWITCH and then does this

>>58302080
Niji EN and Tempus are a failure, why even try?

>>58301965
Gura literally address the weakbuds complaining every time stop using that as an example. The whole reason weakbuds keep sperging is because she keeps saying she wants to try and do better which is literally addressing them

La+ seems to be the JP Gura. Tons of talent and potential that gets squandered and never fully harnessed due to the talent's lack of motivation and/or ambition.

>>58302083
I don't think it's young women but just women in general
This is why I trust my oshis because they have each other

>>58302080
Mori-chan Kakkoiii

Well i guess /5ch/ chuuba is a mistake.

>>58301713
LOL, this is why nijiJP is better

>>58293743
> her combination of streams + shorts + video uploads causes her shorts to not get recommended
Why does this sound like yet another retarded management "advice"?
Their stupid fucking statsmen already made a statement that they were planning to focus more on shorts... it just feels like a weird thing to prioritize, especially for Laplus.

do JP pronounce Raden as in Bin Laden?

>>58302080
mori slowly recovering?

>>58302052
she wants to 世界征服

>>58302140
it is worse if fps content is posted to youtube.

>>58302174
>deflecting to Gura
Fuck off

First and last time Cover hires someone from ReAct, Leona will never come home

>>58302174
The retarded shit that gets posted in this thread sometimes.

>>58302042
Laplus friends were disappointed her Holo clout didn’t transfer to her rm project iirc

>>58301912
I assume because she shills a bunch and has talked about money stuff more than other . That's different from coming out and saying "my top 3 concerns are about the numbers, numbers and money"; it's not even the attitude which rubs people the wrong way, it's coming out and admitting to it.

>>58302174
>le retard keeps trying to equate la+ to gura

>>58301713
GOLDEN GEN

>>58302174
Laplus has had nonstop shilling and support from the company for almost two years. Cover abandoned EN for longer than that. They're not similar at all.

>>58302184
taso...

Laplus is replying to a bunch of people in the comments lol

My cute wife

>>58302174
Retard.

>>58301644
the Tobu Tojo line runs from Tokyo to Saitama

>>58301713
>HongEunChaeV
Nijisisters really going all out I see.

>>58302174
> Gura
> Replying to random Youtube anti comments
roru

>>58302189
rumao you wish nijikek

https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1701052943099937160
jesas I have never seen an official post this universally panned

>>58302193
Uh, she basically said she didn't stream for 1 month to prove to management her point. Management had nothing to do on what she is complaining right now.

>>58302215
>FPS content
It's not only that tho. On her own words
>Youtube: VOD plataform
>Twitch: Streaming

Hilarious how all the shitposts about holo en comes true for holo jp.
>People thought advent would be homo friendly turned out incorrect. Regloss came out and all the girls are homo friendly.
>People thought mori would leave hololive for ecelebs meanwhile laplus did much more and extra.

>>58302234
Feel free to make a defense if you think it's a bad comparison, though we both know that's not the case.

>>58302267
that flute? my dick

>>58302244
And afaik management didn't fucking stop her projects out of nowhere or prohibited her from uploading covers that were pretty much done.

>>58302064
Imagine getting mogged by 2023 Mori. NijiCN truly is dead besides events (and even those don't really guarantee good numbers)

>>58302193
people has dedicated shorts channel, it's true to some extent.
the real reason is she doesn't like streaming on YouTube if at all

>>58302112
God even when I wrote that post how I wish Lap-sama were different, she's cute af especially on that Kirby stream but why did she became like whoever she's now...

>>58301974
Yeah but Holo talents make money by becoming popular and being able to get sponsor deals and merch sales. Stream revenue is obviously a large part of their revenue, but you can reduce SC/member revenue and they would still be making good money.

>>58302174
GURA GURA GURA 09/11? IT MUST HAVE BEEN GURAAAA A GURAAA EEVERYTHING IS GURA

>>58302052
She probably thinks her gachikois will keep being her members and buying her merch and she will keep getting paid by cover for the official events, while doubledipping on twitch subs money

Going through laplus stream but she is still gonna do karaoke and mostly collabs on youtube, just moving zatsu and mc to twitch. Valo is already on twitch and that's majority of her content. Is everyone overreacting again?

>>58302196
JP transcribes his name as Bin Raadin so nope

>>58302297
Holy FUCK they're shitting on you Riku

>>58302297
Hlzntl?

>>58302263
I'm sending cover a fax.
Someone needs to stop her

>>58302310
>make a defense
how about all the replies you didn't reply to in the last thread?

>>58301713
Menhera kino

>>58302279
>check holoan profile
>follows 3dpd and nijis
every fucking time

>>58302310
The only thing they have in common is that they don't stream but Gura isn't a fucking retard. Gura is like Ayame, there is no one in EN you can compare to La+, not even Mori's worst version

>>58302189
This is what NijiJP do everyday nijikeks...

La+ being a numberfag is fucking hilarious because bitch had everything on a silver platter and chose to throw it all away to become a budget Towa and spam FPS shit despite every piece of data showing how much of a debuff that crap is for modern Hololive.
Also, do you remember this shit?
https://youtu.be/TsrXfwK9vdc

>>58302304
so true sis

Gura’s still pulling 30k views an hour when it’s fucking 2am in Japan and 1pm on the east coast US
What the hell

>>58301713
This brat is in need of some CORRECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>58301985
How did she come to that conclusion? She doesn't even upload that much. Pretty much the only creative videos is her video with Iroha and Towa, other than that they are just
>cover
>Clips, not even good clips, GTAVCR and Valorant
>Short of her playing horse gacha
And that Towa video is so short. Doesn't require that much effort.

>>58302263
She replies to both her gachis and closeted antis kek, menhera GFE btw.

>>58301896
truth
kill all nijisisters

>>58302410
jesas, don't post gore here

>>58302296
she..... a lost case
such a shame for that great design

>>58302392
that at least had beggars
I can't find a single positive response to this one

>>58302198
she got funnel from gura and other streamss ending.
>>58302193
there is some truth on it.
Content is content they can get money trough a lot of reveneus so it isnt that much of a worry for holos. But trying to balance streaming and shorts is hard as we see with people that do well with shorts have terrible CCV and vice versa.
laplus is good with short content rather than streams so i undertsand the focus but the worry is still there for it making other metrics suffering. i say let her try it would be nice to see how she does.

>>58302410
Raden, Hajime and Kanade will carry this new branch

>>58302022
I think her Mane-chan had enough of La+ menhera antics and just let her do whatever she wants

>>58302278
What does replying to random Youtube anti comments have to do with my comparison? Obviously you're not a fucking retard who thinks that I'm saying that La+ would act 100% like Gura in all cases, right? You're not a dumbass like that, surely. If you disagree that Gura and/or La+ both suffer from lack of motivation and/or ambition then feel free to refute that point, anon, since that's what the comparison was wholly based around.

>>58302416
sure sure, and i'm yagoo

>>58302419
https://youtu.be/2-OXNwh_Wm0

>>58302297
here's a good ones kek

>>58302297
You could buy 2 Holo shirts from Amazon for the same price as one Niji shirt iirc

>>58302504
Old Ame...

>>58302128
>rather have views and subs
and what's point 1 and 2? she had money at the lowest priority in her slide anon.

>>58301713
That Comment was made by a Nijisanji fan by the way. More reason why our hatred for nijizhangji is completely justified.

>>58302504
doesn't every ame "date" stream ends in breakup?
she even played that brake-up game on valentine's day

>>58302516
KEK

>>58302450
that Towa video is just taken from her 3D live and reuploaded for youtube kids

>>58302450
>76k
grim

>>58302406
>in the last thread
I wasn't in the last thread. I highly doubt the person in the last thread could make succinct remarks and not fall for terrible deflections that do not address the lack of motivation and/or ambition which is shared by both Gura and La+.

YOUD THINK COVER WOULD FUCKING REALIZE TO STOP HIRING ZOOMERS. HAGS = WORK ETHIC AND NO DRAMA, SIMPLE AS

>>58302297
Man. Why do this? Pay an small time artist for some art, any art, and you still have a monster margin on fucking t-shirts. Get some good design art and pay a few extra bucks for a medium quality hoodie and you get something like Ina's Wah sweater which sold like crazy. Those things are like 7 bucks in bulk

>>58302419
i mean you can just look at those compilation images comparing holox 3d debuts and 3d anniv lives to see how she's becoming the least watched.

Numbers

>>58301713

>>58302410
Go Hajime!

>>58302572
That makes it even worse then.

>>58301713
BASED BEYOND BELIEF

>>58302363
most people here just want to get angry at something, they don't even watch the stream or understand anything she said.
They only read what's posted in the thread by schizos and assumes the worst so they can whine on an anonymous imageboard.

Opsec status: a bunch of nijisisters trashing her comments and her gachis doesn't help much either.

>>58301713
man, haachama was the smartest and mature youngest hire hololive ever had. laplus' behavior is that of a spoiled brat

>>58301713
another mental break soon

>>58302298
the issue is she likes doing shorts but streaming+shorts never pan results and hurt each others. That is why she is trying to do this change.

Don't care. La+ has taken so many loads of mine that I want her around no matter what.

Listen, La+ is not wrong, but the problem is on how she executes it. Doesn't help that she keeps on going into long droughts of not streaming and such. Which makes her look like someone who just doesn't care.

is she deleting comments?

>>58302546
>antis are shitting on her when she makes mistakes
No fucking shit retard.
This is why you never do this shit.

>>58302589
Aren't Bae and Biboo zoomers? They generally have the better work ethnic in HoloEN with only Kiara and Mori being on the opposite aged end. Se4ems like you can't predict the results based on age.

>>58302666
>gachis
there's still any surviving?

>>58301960
She anonymously defended herself on 5ch. Everyone agreed it was cute. This isn't.

9/12 never forget

>>58301582
my cute retarded girlfriend.

>505 comments
It's already a warzone, all of 5ch coming out

>>58302419
I agree with fps debuffs, but what you posted was also part of the highest 3D debut peak from hololive anon. substantially more than 3D debuts of more traditional holos that does buff streams instead

>>58302680
>but streaming+shorts never pan results and hurt each others.
Is there actual evidence for this?

https://twitter.com/azure_0608_sub/status/1701229854669082988
In honor of a Moom thread

The antis comments are literally from nijifags if you check their username lol

>>58302419
>become a budget Towa
Nah, she's speedrunning to be next Matuli, Towa is good in FPS and she does box content in addition to FPS

>>58302778
oh no no no run hololive ch ruuuuunnnn

>>58302746
Some still there, i lurked a bit on her fanbase, she have fair share of females and fpsfags.

>>58302497
I'm unironically gonna call you Lapcucks, like a retard you are Gura are more similar to Ayame, both are lazy to stream even once. Laplus are literally a Mori 2.0 without UMG or singer connection. Even Mori wasn't this upfront confronting retards, but both still do retarded things

>>58301885
>1.8M in 3months
>1.2M in 1.5 months
>1.1M in 2 months
It is cute that you think that having 3 or 4 or 10 shorts over 1M in a 3 months time span is big but that's only because you didn't do the research to figure out what are the expect numbers for shorts.

Here is a vtuber case, only the FOURTH indonesian vtuber to hit 1M subs
>and currently the SECOND highest subscribed indonesian vtuber behind only Kobo
https://www.youtube.com/@akeminekomachi/shorts

This person had about 100k subs in December 2022(!) and hacker her (his? her? I don't care) way into 1M subs in six months on the power of shorts alone.
Granted, her channel has more duds than hits but she went ALL IN into shorts and that's the bulk of that youtube channel.
Right now there are 56 shorts over 1M views in that channel and the secret clearly is to SPAM THE FUCK OUT OF THAT TYPE OF CONTENT until you make it bigm and with one caveat
>there is no guarantee
Much like this one made it big, there are HUNDREDS of retards doing the exact same thing to 10k views a pop.

Hololive right now has one guarantee set in stone
>if you play your cards right either you are going to incline yourself into the big leagues or, at very least, you'll surf the wake created by your senpai and be made for life
The shorts lottery is something completely different
>you might hit big or die trying
Ãkemi made it big 1M subs in six months. 999 other unnamed retards died trying and they had nothing to lose, they didn't get the golden ticket to Hololive in the first place.

>>58302785
have you seen Rin CCV?
or any short uplaoder ccv

>>58302297
AAAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
kwab

>>58302363
Coming out and saying your top 3 priorities are views, subs, and Money is a bit much. Even if a lot of creators think like this straight up saying to your fanbase their enjoyment of the content isn't important to you after they have supported you for 2 years is just asking for people to get mad at you.

>>58301785
>unironically being mad that someone doesn't know TT
YOU go back faggot

>>58302694
seems so
i didn't see the comment in the top this thread after scroll for a while

>>58302814
>females
childless hags?

Will she beat Fauna?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LdWsR7T_7M

>>58301644
TableTop.

>>58302789
ah I remember aloe 3 years ago
same shit

>>58300877
>newfags have now memoryholed coco's mistreatment and unironically think she quit her $100000+ per month superchat position to stream on her 3view account for more money
now that's grim

>>58302859
Some lesbians and some normal FPS fangirls type.

>>58302497
La+ is pretty ambitious anon.
She just doesn't want to be another holo girl that streams and panders to a relatively niche group of people

>>58302789
>chuba does thing people don't like
>actual fanbase just wants to move on
>antis smell blood start attacking
And here is where the difference between being smart or retarded begins
If you're smart you maybe apologize without engaging with anybody and move on if you're dumb you argue back and dig yourself a deeper hole

ENsharts' opinions are not valid

>>58302778
A lot of those are her yesmen btw. I wanted to scroll down to the hater shit she replied to but got bored.

>>58302843
KEK
How can sisters recover from this

>>58302923
Go back frog

>>58302787
is he talking about a cockroach

>>58302923
go back to /jp/

>>58302826
>Mori wasn't this upfront confronting retards
She was and always has been it's just she does it on RM streams

>>58302787
Damn black guys.
It's cockroaches

>>58302516
I don't know why t-shirt designers do that rectangle design - it always looks like they just slapped the design on a plain shirt. Even some expensive brands do it. There must be a better way to integrate the graphic onto a plain shirt

>>58301713
Almost as impressive as when she said she forgives her antis.

Oh yeah it gonna top over 6th anniversary, can't stop won't stop.

>>58302866
no

>>58302785
literally fillian and that one spanish convert a schizo used to spam here

>>58302584
And Ayame, and Shion, and Aqua (not that much compared to Ayame). Do you think only Gura that share that with Laplus? The dumb shit that all of those above I mention didn't even equate to what Laplus did

>>58302233
it's actually a much sillier reason
early on into HoloEN debuts, Mori was extremely new to streaming culture and got easily overwhelmed by the amount people were SCing to her, wanting to thank everyone which only led to people SCing more
it affected the pacing of streams and happened even during collabs, and people held early EN under extreme scrutiny so she quickly got the marker of an "SC baiter"
she also had a more Twitch/Patreon styled membership plan (once again, very much newbie to the way most Holos did stuff) and being the first HoloEN to do a sponsorship stream (for an indie dev) basically reinforced the sentiment

but all that is pretty ancient history by now

>>58302964
it's about that somali-american

>>58302297
no different from fauna and kroni merch imo.
but they all get differnet shit so a slip doesnt hurt.

>>58302956
Does that scream capture fear or arousal?

>>58302902
>mistreatment
Bullshit rrat.
I already addressed the part of her being resentful and think that management could do better, and they probably could indeed have done better.

>>58302782
I mean yeah that was before she went full menhera and still had some potential. When she also used to shit out 10M+ songs. Look at her now.
And it's sad because she's still the leader of HoloX and used front and center in everything they do. Like Hologras or that manga series.

so what's hlg's reaction
i remember that place loved lap

>>58302963
It is the easiest to print since literally every printing facility have rectangle mound

>>58303003
That's the opposite of what anon is asking, which is
>is there evidence that continuing with live stream activities hurt your shorts numbers
The two examples you are giving are from people that hit big with shorts but have low or zero live stream audience

Haachama can dunk on her haters and get away with it. But most Holos aren't Haachama. They aren't even in the same universe. It's understandable on some level. Still stupid though

>>58303028
azure sensei is a man

>>58301713
dude... someone call Mio and Fubuki...

>>58302962
Yeah that's why it's subtle, not in her public account (read: holo account) unlike how Laplus did.

>>58302174
Takes like this are why people keep redirecting retards on catalog to #

>>58302297
that shirt merch is kinda bad, but it turns into shit and insulting when you check the price

>>58302598

>>58303041
>Bullshit rrat.
oh god you're serious

>>58302497
you're a bigger retard because nothing lap+ did compares to gura in any way shape or form

Why do Japanese fans call Mumei 'hime'?
Pretty sure even mamas like Wada call her that.

>>58302297
TOP FUCKING KEK

>>58303026
price is different

>>58301713
But why?

Qrd on Laplus situation? Why does she took “own Le hater” seriously?

>>58302198
Mori not playing JRPG #69 or doing 8hr of SC reading*
with some of her upcoming plans like returning to FF16 or wrapping up Pizza Tower and Katana Zero, you will see return to the floor

>>58303041
should i kek at this? i think i will
KEK

>>58303105
idk but i remember a while back 5ch called her the princess of 4chan

>>58302598
Gotta keep those profit margins up

>>58302962
>it's just she does it on RM streams

yeah so MORI wasn't this upfront about it

>>58303154
5ch chuuba mentality.

>>58303154
She's been a menherra from day 1 and it hasn't gotten any better.

>>58302956
>>58302964
He is talking about seeing his first cockroach since moving away from home, but Google Translate's literal translation is funnier.

>>58303105
maybe because you just wanna treat her like a princess?
>im a big girl btw
>im mature
>i dont need 2 managers to feed me

Mumei won.

>>58303066
> with shorts but have low or zero live stream audience
And why do you think that is?
short and live audience are tood different and unless the youtube algo changes it is not psosible to do both in one channel.

>>58302736
>Aren't Bae and Biboo zoomers
"Asian zoomers" Big difference

>>58302935
Yeah, it's not just all antis like some were saying. This one is from a 1 year, 8 months member:

>I've been supporting Lapu-sama not for the shorts or the number of views, but for the delivery since her debut, so I feel that if she doesn't deliver, there's no point in menshi-nana or anything else.
It's a shame, because she was definitely working hard during the V-most period and so on.
If that's the way you've been doing it before with Hololive, then please deliver it, even if it's just once a week.
If it's the way you do it, like those pop-up streamers using the name of your office, I'd feel better supporting the other members.
I like the chit-chat delivery of Lap-sama, even though there have been many collaborations outside the box.
I can't say anything more.

So do short viewers even buy merch? La+ said she cared more about popularity than money, but i haven't seen any YT short e-celeb broke through main stream (Or they're just outside of my radar)

I find it funny that Nijisanji has an ongoing merch drama on Twitter and literally no one in this thread cares or gives a shit. No wonder sisters are mad. They just came here to attention seek. What a sad existence they must lead.

>>58303154
she's a 5ch resident and got found out in the thread. im not sure if it was the same timeline when Kanatan called out the shithole for that.

>>58302604
I love it, have been listening to it all day

>>58303274
marine is focusing on shorts, so it must be a good idea.

>>58302428
>gura pulling only 30k
grim

>>58302837
What the fuck kind of revisionism is this? Rin incline because of her shorts, she reclined because she spammed Pikmin 4 and other goyslop game for no reason. She's one of the reason that Shorts help increasing people to watch the stream.

>>58302519
You could buy custom T-shirt with whatever picture you want for this price

I've been scrolling through the Lap vod comments by newest and most comments are either members supporting her, some greys saying "I'm not sure about the idea but if management is okay with it why not", or antis shitting on her. Most of those have a lot of replies which is where most of the comment number comes from

The most negative place about laplus issue isn't from the nips btw, it's from the bugs mostly taiwanese.

>>58303305
marine is popular before the shorts

>>58303051
don't even have to look so far, 5 months later where all of holox did their anniversary lives, she had the lowest ccv of all the holox lives. i don't have the image where it compared ccv and scs of those streams, but laplus got 82k, and the next lowest was koyori at 95k.

>>58303073
and?

>>58302193
If anything this sounds like a cope from Laplus to justify her exodus to Twitch. She's arrogant enough to think that the reason why she still has fans is because of her content, not because of her status as a Holo's member.

>>58302428
is a good cover.

>>58303272
>comment
it did seem like la+ was justifying her absence in youtube.

>>58302778
hate comments also count as engagement. her shorts will reach more people. laplus really smart

>>58303314
for the cover VOD, retard

Reminder that Zeta's real CCV will be 3x the number displayed on Youtube. Take that into consideration before you start comparing her Starfield numbers to Fauna's.

>>58302174
What talent exactly?
I hear retards say this but she can;t sing cant dance cant produce isnt charismatic

>>58302428
europoors are getting home from work

>>58303154
Come home lapchan.

>>58303419
>1 hour poll
Stop acting like a retard.

>>58303154
Anti aside, there's some gachis in the comments criticizing La+'s low, inconsistent updates and some wish her integrate into holobox but she couldn't or failed to.

>>58302736
Biboo actually older than Nerissa

>>58301713
Comment is deleted now, probably manager

>>58303438
she can dance
the rest i dunno. she had her moments. especially early on when holox wasn't as fractured.

>>58303342
so the usual.
Is gonna be an interesting experiment.
So hope she does somegood shorts again.

>>58303438
which one are you talking about?
either way, making people like you constantly seethe is also a talent

>>58302297
>$40 shirts + shipping
if what mysta said is true about the 2% then that's $0.02 per shirt sold going to the talents. That's scummy

>>58302829
>her
anonchama.....

Anyway you're not wrong, shorts algo is a complete lottery. There are well produced shorts that gets shitty views, while garbage shorts gets hundreds of millions.
But even so, it's still an approach that should be explored since YouTube is still incentivized to push the shorts platform to kneecap tiktok even though they are bleeding resources from all this. Marine showed she could grow her subs 4x faster than any other established holos by abusing shorts, so the path is there.
If Cover learns how to properly abuse them too for other holo channel sub growth then its more than a worthwhile venture, especially when you're just risking a single holo channel that doesn't even enjoy streaming to begin with

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>65,412: Rion (Nijisanji)
>51,429: Raden (Hololive)
>45,909: Pekora (Hololive)
>37,393: Gura (Hololive)
>36,460: Kanata (Hololive)
>35,729: Hajime (Hololive)
>26,324: Botan (Hololive)
>24,768: Okayu (Hololive)
>20,793: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>20,528: Kanade (Hololive)
>18,676: Korone (Hololive)
>18,429: Koyori (Hololive)
>17,718: Ririka (Hololive)
>17,345: Mumei (Hololive)
>16,438: Met (VSPO)
>15,748: Ao (Hololive)
>14,784: Mio (Hololive)
>13,926: Fubuki (Hololive)
>13,784: Watame (Hololive)
>13,373: Laplus (Hololive)
>13,266: AZKi (Hololive)
>12,203: Ririka (Hololive)
>11,640: Ryushen (Nijisanji)
>11,057: GatchmanV (Indie)

Gold for Rion with an all star Niji cast in a day with a good horse race (hefty Z nonetheless) with Raden coming 2k short to get silver and Pekora with a Minecraft stream getting bronze.

>>58303444
HOLY BASADO

>>58303521
Holobros... we fucking lost

>>58303495
who and who?

>>58303305
Tiktok and shorts did elevate her popularity a lot, but before that she need to have a hit song first.

I want to hold Mumei's waist and kiss Fauna's thick neck.

> summary: everything here shows that hololive and cover is on a downward trend

HOLOKEKS STATUS?

>>58303521
Gura kicked out of podium, it's like that sushi stream again

>>58303521
Pekora and Pekora 2.0 failed us...

>>58303521
totally real humans btw, don'y mind the chatter is lower than even hajime

>>58303521
If this is the case, why not just let Mito get gangbanged on a daily basis for these great numbers?

>>58303067
haachama made her anti commit the equivalent of vtuber seppuku

i hope she comes back soon

>>58303051
>before
which is why I questioned why you even posted that to begin with

>>58303578
who you talking to negro?

>>58303350
Laplus is extremely popular too. She's the face of the second JP golden gen.

>>58303513
this
having some holos focusing on short content is a good thing given that youtube is pushing for it.

>>58303274
short viewers : no, but they will subs
clip viewers : maybe
stream or vod viewers : yes
music listeners : yes

>>58303578

>>58303172
>>58303088
proof next thread right?
anything to justify her retarded career move

>>58303618
it's always a niji and vsbot that gets stupidly high Z

>>58303067
mori got away with it once and thought she was invincible until the lean tookover

>>58303666
Post is doin numbers, yo

>>58303618
>800 chatters a minute
im almost sure that no one that watches niji even has an account

>>58303438
but enough about the shark

>>58303513
>Marine showed she could grow her subs 4x faster than any other established holos by abusing shorts, so the path is there.
She did not and it is even insulting that you think it was merely putting shorts up.
She geared up her whole "other" content (other than her live streaming) into her BIG BUDGET WELL PRODUCED song MVs.
She is dropping at very least some 50k USD per MV to have content to power her subs growth.
Her shorts? Most of them are connected to her MVs
Her tiktoks? ALL of them are connected to her MVs.

If you think Laplus can post seventeen shitpost shorts and get the same result as Marine you are sorely wrong. Marine is doing something completely else, she's putting her money where her mouth is and funding her high quality MVs and choreographies to kickstart her subs growth.

>>58303521
>>58303618
So Raden gold?

Biboo please stop using yourself as a collab waiting room. It's too cringe.

Raden overtook Kanade? Wtf is going on with this branch

>>58303666
>SC cope
RORU RUMAO

>>58303272
didnt read but this made me feel like that pic of the teamate holding a photo of old ame

>>58303709
wrong thread faggot

>>58303105
I have no idea but my guess would be it's a play on Hi-mei. Like "Oh hi"mei

>>58303713
I love my drinkin', smokin' hagwife.

>>58303419
>1 hour
retarded newfag

gura kyoufuu all back 15k views (fansubbed)

>>58303683
please understand she was going through a rough breakup at the time

>>58303700
Youtube starts throttling chat at around 800/min. You need 100k+ viewers to make it go higher than that and even then, it won't get much higher than 1200.

>>58303274
short viewers actually subs (because that's one of the few ways you can control your feed in a platform of just swiping up)
And Cover has subs as KPI, so she earns her money via bonuses instead.

>>58303521
rion gangbanged by top nijis can only bring 53k......
grimbros........

>>58303274
A media company in Japan that partnered with Hikakin goes red because of chasing short view, the payout isn't viable compared to normal video view. Some anon posted the article here.

Kiara just said her recent shorts and music are not doing well because her streams are messing up the algorithm as the "latest content" released from her channel are her streams instead of her music and is considering changing her german sub channel to a streaming only channel and making her current channel only focused on music, shorts and clips/highlight videos.

Lap ffs just don't respond

>>58303713
She's very related to middle age oji-san and oba-san.

>>58303500
now she is getting spanked by lui

>>58303618
Just like holosubs :v)

>>58303521
BELO JOGO

>>58303713
Raden is Hololive's answer to Salome. A superstar in the making.

>>58303781
No it doesn't.

Holokksu as a unit cannot survive Lapu's inevitable graduation. They can't perform their original unit songs and their theme is dead. Unless they pivot to Lui murdering Lapu and taking over as the true leader I guess.

>Twitch about 650
um...where are the homobeggars and sister that say they will support the orc

>>58303667
the proof is common knowledge newkek. the suspension, banned from the main channel and all events, not allowed to have mods until more than 6 months after the spam began, collab bans, no sponsorships, the mod fuckup which they didn't fix which was pretty much the final straw. i'm probably forgetting a lot but it's been 3 years.

>>58303823
that sounds like a terrible idea

>>58303713
Raden is unironically great if you can get past a couple of filters.

>>58303707
Marine literally talked about her shorts performing well when chat congratulates her subs milestone retard.
Fucking WATCH STREAMS

Think about all the amazing girls out there who could have been Laplus instead of her
Who would have made use of the opportunity and been a really fun and great leader of holoX

>>58303853
Lmao, how can you retards be at his for so long and still not see the warning flags? Or maybe this is your first debut and you are just inexperienced. In that case save this post for the future and learn from it

>>58303700
Isn't 800/minute the soft cap for YT livechat

>>58301713
she alone generated yabs more than gen 5, 6 combined LMAO

>>58303708
Yes, so post her lewds. And if there isn't enough you can post Flare and Mumei lewds as well.

>>58303713
Raden has the experience in life that most nips want to relate with if she brings good topics to her zatsu I can see her becoming a powerhouse

>>58303823
i don't even want to imagine the grim results of this

>>58303521
*yawn*
so ez

>>58303823
This is a shitpost but making a subchannel would probably be a better idea for Laplus than just moving to twitch
But it's clear it's just an excuse

Wtf did this nigga do

>>58303901
I don't support traitors

>>58303901
Being a homo is really better than just being an indie

Youtube defaulting channels to show videos first instead of allowing the stupid Live tab to be the default is on of the many, many ways they fuck over streamers. I am still baffled why they didn't make that customizable

Raden will always stream at 11pm JST which is Salami's usual slot. They're going for the kill bros...

>>58303939
I don't see any member of Advent hitting 50k on her second stream.

>>58303989
he got culled? dead sub (well most of them are)?

>>58303949
no elfs

>>58303989
That's just the regular Subs cull youtube does to everyone.

>>58303904
so no proof then?
like I said anything to justify her career suicide

>>58303618
>>58303521
nice bots nijikeks

Cunny unironically needs correction

>>58303713
The cull mindbroke the algorithm

>>58303521
>65,412: Rion (Nijisanji)
AH AH AH AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE OWATTA YO

>>58303713
hag powah

>>58304013
I thought it is customisable but nobody changes it.

>>58303989
He draw regloss members on stream so neal got confused and target the wrong channel

>>58303901
This guy's whole stich is just him trying to be le unhinge?

>>58303823
Look, just because only a few people here like Kiara doesn't mean no one is watching right now.

>>58303521
>still counting VSPO for the tally
you need to unironically recheck your bias

I think Lapuchan should just stop streaming and do weekly ear-licking ASMR.

>>58303707
I mean it's not just Marine that are abusing shorts for subscribers anon.
The spanish convert, rin from that jewish corpo and that twitch tuber gets shit ton amount of subscribers without having 50k USD MVs.
In fact, I think only vtubers that abuses shorts are getting shilled by the YT algo to millions of new potential viewers these past dew years.

>>58303781
it is limited to 1000/min right? and i think vrabi only take 'top chat' instead 'live chat'

>>58304023
Implying I give a shit about the opinions of someone who's shorter than Biboo.

>>58304079
Why is yours not speaking English?

>>58303901
>where are the homobeggars and sister that say they will support the orc
right there
how may did you think there actually was retard?

>>58304120
It seems soft capped at 800. It can go higher but you need like 1M ccv to top 1200 messages/min

>>58303636
Just an example of La+ leaning into GFE and her potential before becoming a menhera FPS slut.

>>58304103
Finally a good post.

>>58304126
she looks like fucking ass

>>58304031
??? do you want a link to the suspension announcement or something? what are you doing lmao

>>58303989
he's tanking some culls from ririka

>>58303901
Well that's all of them or what's left of it, some Vesties still mad about him quitting, called him a retard for lacking foresight.

>>58303823
3 view speedrun?

>Gura's cover already at 600k after not even one day
Isn't that pretty great actually, especially for a song already done to death by so many other for months

>>58304166
And you look like a furry asshole.

>>58304029
>everyone
yeah everyone hahah exactly
everyone

>>58303989
>the few fans with goodwill are beginning to leave stars cause they cant stand all the homo pushing Cover has done laltely

HoloX should just say that their leader has now passed on her duties to one of them.

>>58303700
>>58303781
picrel for comparison