/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>58024491
Why did kronii do it

>>58024491
https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1694696184223539569

>Pippa stream ends
>20 minutes later catalog bait threads start popping up faster
really makes you think

>>58024619
I am STILL recovering from this.... Life's hard as a pomudachi

>>58024592
to own two(2) schizos, she destroyed her own career

>>58024592
Because she's autistic and Vesper was clearly taking advantage of her.

>>58024619
Classic. To be honest, if you watch Niji, you deserve it.

>>58024491
Peak of /vt/, all downhill now

>>58024619
>>58024789
What would be the equivalent in Holo

>>58024984
Literally >>58024491 coming right after the member's stream.

>>58025106
>Comparing a surprise offcollab in a hotel to a twitter post
Nice try, sis

>>58024592
Because she's naive and stupid.

>>58024984
There isn't. If Kronii pulled something similar where she advertised a teh-heh off collab with Mumei, and Vesper was also there to third wheel unannounced, something would be burned to the ground by the hololive fandom.

Mori's meltdown after "condom money for connor" aka.

Lia's NTR donothon climax.

Rushia getting a mafumafu message mid-stream.

>>58024877
Why is the link to Kronii's graduation the only one censored?

>>58024619
I gave up on niji after this

>>58024877
god I had to manually check each one just in case I missed anything and got nothing new... god, is there anyone out there who has any new content?
Surely the old pastebin didn't have everything (before it was taken down)

When Kiara confirmed her no homo policy just before the graduations and the Sisters had a Chernobyl sized meltdown for almost a week

>>58024619
Finana's April Fools ASMR stream

>>58024984
imagine if kronii and mumei did a kronmei offcollab and when the stream turned on vesper is there cuddling them

>>58025781
go back to /trash/, horsefucker.

>>58025682
>Lia's NTR donothon climax
qrd?

>>58024847
so true sister

>>58026164
NO. Im sick of seeing tributes and discord larping

>>58026073
Qrd?

Regardless of what I think about her now, I remember feeling like my heart dropped through the floor back then. The most despair I've ever felt since watching vtubers.

>>58025781
Nope, all I have are from the paste in too.

I did make some of my own: melina, ranni, doll from Bloodborne, Ashley, Ellie from the last of us. Wish I could post them online but I'm scared of repercussions since I used 11labs. -_-

>>58026257
>discord larping
that doesn't really happen, good place to get clear answers on rrats tho, and anons do be having huge cocks

>>58025737
It's not, look again

>>58026281
I remember seeing the thumbnail for that stream and thinking haha damn what if she's graduating that'd be craaaazy

>>58026170
She was doing a GFE ASMR portion of a very successful donothon at the tail end and Lia being just had to self-immolate. She invited this Cosplayer guy she knew from cons onto voice chat and they talked for about half an hour. Tenma checked in on the stream and told her to shut that shit down. She's been on her best behavior ever since.

>>58026418
I don't understand internet men

>>58026418
JESUS CHRIST what could have compelled her to do that shit

>>58026418
Forgot to add: She received a lot of shit from it in her Marshmallows and more or less said: "I don't know what I did wrong. Internet men are so confusing!" After her menhera blew by she acknowledged she fucked up supremely

>>58024877
saving this
>>58026346
did the name had something ban worth?
you know what? dont answer, gonna check it myself

Yagoo is based and redpilled for embracing this dank meme fr fr

>>58026503
She's the retarded little sister experience. Like she had absolutely everything in the palm of her hand, she was growing her channel well and her natural instinct was destroy fucking everything. Set her back by months.

>>58026418
her tearful apology still gets me hard...

>>58026272
Screencap looks comprehensive to me. She schedule a fake stream for April Fools'.
The joke was that there was no stream but optimistic viewers misunderstood (they assumed there would be a stream but that it's contents would be a joke).

>>58024491
Once a homowhore, always a homowhore.
Never forget. Never forgive

>>58026598
Yeah, she's one of the few I can excuse. She's legitimately mentally ill. Probably the only one in Phase who can make that claim.

>>58026272
>the only thing Finana had going for her was lewd ASMR, but she hadn't done one in ages
>views for anything else were terrible
>suddenly schedules a "succubus RP" ASMR on April Fools
>everyone gets excited
>they wait in chat, no stream happens
>Finana changes her twitter banner to her flipping off her fans
it was just sad

>>58026503
She was hoping to ride his dick for some very mino VA connections, that's literally it.

>>58026577
>let me make it so even the most retarded person understands that this whole thing was a massive astroturf

>>58026346
Who the fuck takes screenshots with spoiler text still hidden? Fucking retards.

>>58026803
cry faggot

hypno oji gropping pekora and the sluts

>>58026605
>>58026658
Nahone, very funny jork from Finana!

>>58024491
Babegate
https://youtu.be/7N3dTkGjxUA?t=80

>>58026827
retard

The wontons incident

In retrospect, it had zero impact other than a couple of oil barons avoiding her. But god damn if it isn't the funniest slip up in vtubing.
https://streamable.com/f6foap

>>58026598
Link?

>>58024645
Pippa used 4chan to build an audience, having them shill her for free before casting them aside to embrace her new normie audience. Such a shame /vt/ keeps getting manipulated by women.

>>58024619
Reminder

>>58026281
Same. Heart dropped once she announced it. The realization that Hololive won’t last forever hit hard. I was dull for the rest of the night.

>>58024491
What actually happened with Kronii was a little more complicated. Basically she first attempted to understand where her fans were coming from, and then abruptly did an about face and sided with the people calling them incels. It was a betrayal of trust on the deepest level, and whether or not she meant it this way is irrelevant, the effect was the same.

Basically Kronii did not have a lot of things going for her as a streamer early on. She had the Wada model and a nice voice. But she wasn't great at zatsudan, she wasn't great at games, and she wasn't great at singing, she also did karaoke pretty rarely. Which is fine, part of the joy of the Hololive experience is watching your streamer develop over time. Thus people had to find something else to latch onto and they did so by becoming parasocial with her. This wasn't helped by her choosing to watch a lot of "Gosling" movies in member streams like The Truman Show, and of course Ryan Gosling himself in Blade Runner and La La Land.

The male collab thing was not well received by this portion of the fanbase and they made their discontent known through long and lengthy posts in her community, trying to explain themselves as best they could. Whether they were CGDCTfags or just plain unicorns, or people who didn't like the drama that male collabs inevitably bring, they spelled out their grievances, for the most part as composed as they could be. I'd say the only person that came off close to being a unicorn was Aliaga Ayin's post and even that wasn't that deranged. Some of these posts were from long time members, people Kronii would actually talk and react to in chat, Kronies refer to such people as being on the "spreadsheet' which is an alleged list of her "favorite" members. The most notorious of this would be Gabe who was mentally ill and attention seeking from Day 1, but even his post wasn't that crazy.

The point is during a special unarchived member stream, Kronii took the time to read these posts, out loud on stream, in an effort to better understand what these people were unhappy about. And for a brief moment, that won her a lot of love and respect. While Reddit and Twitter were calling these people unicorns and incels, she actually took the time to read them, addressed their concerns, and even defended them, saying she didn't want people attacking her fans. She stated clearly, that while she would NOT stop doing male collabs, she would not initiate them, probably not tweet to them that much, and she would not stream her POV to them. This satisfied all but the most die hard unicorns, and again, even Aliaga Ayin was pacified. The point is, the Kronies that felt this way felt HEARD. She didn't just dismiss them out of hand, like others were doing.

Then less than a day later, she did this tweet, disappeared for a week, and when she came back said she would collab with whoever, whenever, and that was the end of it. There was no further discussion and at the same time the Hololive account made that proclamation against harassing the talents.

So in the eyes of the Kronies who felt betrayed, she had gone from understanding them and defending them, to siding with the people who mocked them and disparaged them, while running and hiding behind the skirts of the company from the inevitable backlash she had to know would follow. Honestly it would have been better if she had never done that unarchived members stream. She gave them hope that she understood, if not fully agreeing with where they came from, and then dashed it violently. That's why they hate her so much. It's not as simple as "male collabs" or "unfortunately idol culture is a thing" it is a real long standing feeling of betrayal and loss from people who watched her for over a year and thought they had a deeper understanding of their oshi and she them.

>>58026418
Tenma should become a full time tardwrangler for phase

>>58026985
This one always makes me laugh because not even a second passes before she realizes she fucked up. It's almost instant.

>>58026985
No idea who this is but that was pretty funny.

>>58027534
I'm not reading all of that, but good for you.

>>58026649
>Yeah, she's one of the few I can excuse
Not really, she knew what she was doing and was flirting for connections. It was stupid but not something where she wasn't at fault.

>>58027769
she reincarnated into phase connect shortly after

>>58027534
Damn that's crazy

>>58024877
We could've had something great, but I'm glad it all came burning down to the ground just to spite those disgusting horse fans.

I mean come on, if you're gonna do zoo shit it's only acceptable to do male human x female zoo.

THAT Haachama stream where she listed her metrics.

I shudder to think what this board would've been like had it been around during that stretch of 2020-2021.

>>58027936
Yeah, she deserved the hate she got.

>>58026598
link

>>58027534
"fans" = 20 of her biggest paypigs
really should've just let them lose hope on their own, but she was too dumb

>>58027769
Phase connect Shina

>>58024592
Did people really sperg out over... that?

>>58024619
Now this one was some whack shit
Seeing people lose their goddamn minds because the gay friend was there

Christ's sake, you people need help

>>58027534
Your feelings are VALID, you are SEEN, you are special!

>>58026073
i still can't believe she did that
based but nice way to kill your fan base

>>58028175
>Did people really sperg out over... that?
The sperg came about because of the members stream she did almost immediately beforehand where she told her members that she wouldn't be doing that.

>>58028233
Wouldn't be doing what?
Interacting with coworkers on social media?

How horrible

>>58026418
i watched lia abit and her persona is a retard, but didn't think she was actually fucking stupid

>>58028272
>Interacting with coworkers on social media?
Yes actually, along with other things.
>How horrible
She and her fans must've thought so because she had promised not to do so. She shouldn't have lied about it. She brought the backlash on herself. Baelz never got nearly the same kind of hatedom because she was upfront about that sort of thing from the beginning.

>>58028175
I ain't giving condom money for whores. I hope they do well but that shit is not for me and for many others too. If the same people want to be vocal about it they are their audience and have every right to do so.

>>58028412
>She brought the backlash on herself
There shouldn't have been any backlash because nothing bad happened in the first place.

>Baelz never got nearly the same kind of hatedom because she was upfront about that sort of thing from the beginning.
Explain Shiori then

>>58026985
God fucking damn. That pause was deafening.

>>58028448
All vtubers are whores tho, the nature of the job is a woman raking in uncontested male attention and money with little investment or effort on her part

>>58026281
Nothing has hurt me since this.

Someone post a qrd of the kiki cuckening

>>58028520
Shiori was stupidly vague with her collab comment in her debut stream. It also doesn't help she's leaning hardcore into GFE.

>>58026658
what a fucking retard

>>58028520
>There shouldn't have been any backlash because nothing bad happened in the first place.
Directly Lying to your members is bad.

>>58028531
I believe for these girls there's genuine effort and also some brains needed to stay away from drama and keep making a living out of it. Just be upfront with your audience instead of nurturing a bunch of lonely man who most likely are prone to be unicorns, stabbing them on the back and then cry about the consequences on social media. Same can be said for male vtubers who are also just as retarded as some girls from the looks of it.

>>58024592
Because she's retarded

>>58026281
She was a bad influence on the people around her and brought in some of the worst kinds of people to the Hololive viewerbase. Swears all the time and promotes drugs. I was happy to see her leave.

>>58027968
Yeah that was probably the biggest yab, tons of fallout after something so innocuous ended up causing so much drama. Sucks since Haachama is so nice too

>>58028797
t. zhang

>>58027420
>>58026658
>>58026272
This girl is a psychopath, I feel bad for Pomu, she needs to see if she can jump ship to hololive. Kiara's definitely got pull to nepo her even after Ina's massive fuck up

>>58028838
The dumbest thing is that the chinese were the ones to blame for Taiwan being in her analytics like that. Chinks can't watch youtube directly, so they use VPNs to do so. Most of the VPNs they use are stationed in Taiwan so it looked like the Holos had a huge % of viewers on youtube being from Taiwan.

>>58026658
>ASMR degenerates get BTFO
Nice

>>58028851
I'm just glad so much of the scum that watched her have left to watch prostitutes on twitch now. Though some still remain, unfortunately.

>>58026281
Kizuna Ai's graduation was much more impactful for me. Reddit dragon was never all that grand 2bh

>>58024491
I still don't understand how people think Kronii WASN'T fucking him, there's just so much evidence for it
And that's not even considering her recent members post showing how completely distraught she was about Vesper graduating.

>>58029035
What’s the evidence? I mostly watch indie chubbas so I wouldn’t know but I’m genuinely interested in what makes you think that

>>58029035
Some people don't think Kronii would due to her being gay, but they forget that Kronii thinks she is a dude so in her head being gay means she still wants to fuck gay dudes like Vesper.

>>58028175
Someone prefers male company to female

>>58024491
i don't get it

>>58028175
Please go back, not everyone has a cuckoldry fetish like you and it’s kinda obnoxious to act like it’s normal

>>58028686
She shouldn't have had to make that promise in the first place.

>>58029186
I still wonder to this day how embarrassed everyone involved with this felt after

>>58027948
>it all came burning down
How and when?
>male human x female zoo
That’s funny since women are clearly the most into zoophilia

>>58029433
>woman you don't know interacts platonically with a man you also don't know
>this is cuckoldry
Talk to real people for once in your life

>>58028412
>she had promised
She didn't promise jackshit. She said that she PROBABLY wouldn't interact with them on twitter THAT MUCH. At no point did she say she would NEVER interact with them on twitter.

>>58028520
>There shouldn't have been any backlash because nothing bad happened in the first place.
Your completely arbitrary definition of "bad" is not the same as the majority of Kronii's fans. In addition, Kroni herself specifically said she would promise to completely limit herself and her interactions which she then nearly instantaneously went back on. That's what made people upset. Not interacting with males, it was the backstabbing and lies. No one gets upset at Bae or Kobo when males are on stream because it was never an expectation.

>>58029545
>Actual twitter touch grass argument
No, I just want to watch CGDCT you absolute retard. Though I’m sure you don’t know what that means

>>58026281
Anonchama... We're posting ironic "legendary moments" not actual ones

>>58027534
What actually happened with Kronii was a little more complicated. Basically she first attempted to understand where her delusional paypigs were coming from, but then figured out that they were completely retarded. They are frothing at the mouth about it to this day, and whether or not she meant it this way is irrelevant, the effect was the same.

Basically Kronii did not have a lot of things going for her as a streamer early on. She had the Wada model and a nice voice. But she wasn't great at zatsudan, she wasn't great at games, and she wasn't great at singing, she also did karaoke pretty rarely. Which is fine, part of the joy of the Hololive experience is watching your streamer develop over time. Thus delusional paypigs had to find something else to latch onto and they did so by becoming parasocial with her. This wasn't helped by her choosing to watch a lot of "Gosling" movies in member streams like The Truman Show, and of course Ryan Gosling himself in Blade Runner and La La Land.
The male collab thing was not well received by the delusional paypigs and they made their discontent known by threatening to rape and murder her.

The point is during a special unarchived member stream, Kronii took the time to read these posts, out loud on stream, in an effort to better understand what these people were unhappy about. And for a brief moment, she had satisfied the irrational whims of a small number of profoundly mentally ill people. While Reddit and Twitter were calling these people unicorns and incels, she naively took the time to read them, addressed their concerns, and even defended them, saying she didn't want people attacking her "fans". She stated clearly, that while she would NOT stop doing male collabs, she would not initiate them, probably not tweet to them that much, and she would not stream her POV to them. The point is, she was a fool to not dismiss them out of hand, like others were doing.

Then less than a day later, she did this tweet, disappeared for a week, and when she came back said she would collab with whoever, whenever, and that was the end of it. There was no further discussion and at the same time the Hololive account made that proclamation against harassing the talents.

So in the eyes of the delusional paypigs who felt betrayed, she had gone from understanding them and defending them, to siding with the people who mocked them and disparaged them, while running and hiding behind the skirts of the company from the inevitable backlash she had to know would follow. Honestly it would have been better if she had never done that unarchived members stream. She gave them hope that she understood, if not fully agreeing with where they came from, and then dashed it violently. That's why they hate her so much. It's not as simple as "male collabs" or "unfortunately idol culture is a thing" it is the result of what happens when you give an inch to adults that have the emotional maturity of a four-year-old and a room temperature IQ.

>>58029581
>Your completely arbitrary definition of "bad" is not the same as the majority of Kronii's fans
I don't care what schizo gachis think is "bad" because their perception of reality is warped and tragically unhealthy

>>58029607
Yes, actually touch grass. Your grip on reality is slipping and no amount of cute anime girls will fix it.

>>58029576
Well you see anon, trying to use deliberately vague terminology so that you can state, "well I never said THAT" so you can do whatever you want whilst also making implicit agreements with your fans that you won't just do whatever you want is not a recipe for success. Because regardless of how irrational or immature you think the audience is, the customer is always right. Nobody is going to keep paying up out of some sort of logical obligation since "Oh well technically I shouldn't be upset". No. What they're going to do is stop paying and say you deliberately manipulated your fan base and smearing your reputation to this very day as a liar.

Fence sitting and trying to play semantic games not a winning strategy.

Kiki Lockheart's gamer chair auction dwarfs everything else.

>>58029680
>I don't care what schizo gachis think is "bad" because their perception of reality is warped and tragically unhealthy
Well unfortunately for Kroni, those schizo gachis fund her entire lifestyle so their perception is actually more valid than yours is within her reality. So your opinion means fuck all.

>>58026598
crocodile woman tears

>>58028412
take a shower, now.

>>58029770
They're still funding her?
Looking at this board I could swear she must've driven them all away by now.
But I guess either she didn't and they're still cool with her, or they weren't that important to her success anyway.

>>58024491
>>58027534
There were nights when the wind was so cold
That my body froze in bed if I just listened to it right outside the window
There were days when the sun was so cruel
That all the tears turned to dust
And I just knew my eyes were drying up forever

I finished crying in the instant that you left
And I can't remember where or when or how
And I banished every memory you and I had ever made

But when you touch me like this
And you hold me like that
I just have to admit that it's all coming back to me
When I touch you like this
And I hold you like that
It's so hard to believe, but it's all coming back to me
It's all coming back, it's all coming back to me now

There were moments of gold
And there were flashes of light
There were things I'd never do again
But then they'd always seemed right
There were nights of endless pleasure
It was more than any laws allow
Baby, baby

If I kiss you like this
And if you whisper like that
It was lost long ago, but it's all coming back to me
If you want me like this
And if you need me like that
It was dead long ago, but it's all coming back to me
It's so hard to resist, and it's all coming back to me
I can barely recall, but it's all coming back to me now
But it's all coming back

>>58029813
Look at her metrics then.

>>58029680
My grip on reality isn’t slipping because there’s content I don’t want to watch you legitimate schizo

>>58026281
>be in /hlgg/ before the stream
>while some are worried and expecting the worst, others aren't too concerned and are joking about it, because Kanata is still streaming, and seems happy
>stream starts
>white screen
>no music
>Coco's voice constantly breaking while talking

>>58029485
>She shouldn't have had to make that promise
She didn't need to, she chose to.

>>58024877
I am with Calli on this, why did it have to be a horse...

>>58029889
Then don't watch it

Happens to me all the time, a streamer I like is doing something I don't really wanna watch.
So I don't. And I come back later when they're doing something I do want to watch.

It's actually really, really easy to do this. And at no point does it require having a melty on 4chan.

>>58029897
dude i damn near committed suicide back then. coco was my oshi and i was in a very rough time. i got fired from
my job, my mother recently had a heart attack and was in the hospital, and then my oshi graduated. the only reason i didn’t kill myself was because of alcohol, thank the lord for it.

>>58029989
The pedophile /ss/ ones were better than the horse ones.

>>58026281
The hold vtubers had on me was almost lost that day, it hurt me and it left a scar.

>>58029996
>complaining about the content is le bad
Absolutely dumbass consoomer mentality.
If something is going bad you should communicate it with the source of the content. Ideally you wouldn’t need to go to the nuclear option and you can’t just always do that. That’s exactly what she tried to do in her members stream but OOPS, she completely changed her mind and went against her word. Naturally that left many betrayed and angry, and there has to be an outlet for that rage.
But even if that wasn’t the case, complaining about people criticizing something is the dumbest thing there is

>>58030158
You have no right to get upset at Kronii. You owe her your money, not your anger. Open your wallet, not your dumb mouth.

>>58030158
See the thing is that here "going bad" means "talking to a man" which is fucking retarded from the outset

>>58024491
Has she even mentioned or said anything about their graduations?

>>58029996
>>58029680
you understand that in the world of corpo vtubers, the gachis are the ones that allows the talent to get a SALARY, right? you understand that your occasional views dont mean shit, while the people who expect things from the vtubers they actually spend money on memberships and merch for are the ones that keep the business running, right? your opinions mean absolutely nothing, retard. but you dont fucking care because if the vtuber you virtue signal for loses their job, it doesnt affect you and you can just watch someone else. i bet you even use adblock when you do watch a stream, if you actually watch any,

>>58030213
Read this >>58027534
And picrel

>>58030213
For the unicorns, having a male exist anywhere near of the vicinity of their oshi is enough to get them worried, having her oshi actually acknowledging their existence, let alone talking to them, is utter betrayal.

>>58030206
Nta but
>you are not allowed to have an opinion
Or more specifically
>you are not allowed to have an opinion, that I don't like

Go back retard

>>58030213
It's a good thing you have your membership to Kroni still active and buy all her merchandise. Right? I mean, it would be kind of stupid for you to be arguing against ex-Kroniis for dropping her for something they don't like and then arguing in favour of Kroni when you don't even watch or support her in any way. Right?

>>58027119
>I'll take "things that only happened in my head" for 300, Alex.

>>58030213
Is it retarded? Of course I wouldn’t want to see a man in the K-On group, it just wouldn’t fit the moe anime. I am not a "delusional schizo" because I understand barriers and what content fits where.

>>58030356
Wrong.

Normal fans outnumber gachis 100 to 1, if not much more.
Not to mention, you're a dying breed. Maybe 3 years ago you'd have a point but not anymore.
Vtubing is rapidly leaving its niche, especially in Japan. Lonely otaku aren't the only people propping this industry up anymore.

Every day you lose power here, and there is no running it back. The only thing convincing you otherwise is the /vt/ bubble giving you a feedback loop of your own opinions.

>>58030497
The conversation is broader than just Kronii but I wouldn't expect your autistic ass to be able to see past the tunnel vision of your menial obsessions.

>>58030642
K-On is an anime.
Vtubers are, shockingly, real people.

>>58026889
They're so damn cute

>>58026577
>practically "A" levels of meme magic
>wasted on fucking magni
Is the male chuuba pool so shit that that's what they had to go with or what?

>"touch grass"
>"get a life"
>"virgin incel"

kronii defence committee out in full force today, and they're confirmed to be extreme normies and/or twittards. A few grains of sand who think they could somehow rehabilitate her image by going into random threads /here/ and defending her honour.

Maybe you should throw around a few more things next time, like "gamergate" or "andrew tate followers", because those would make as much sense as your puerile, pro-clockbitch drivel. Many people don't like your SJW-summoning, promise-breaking, flip-flopping, ultra-feminist "time warden". Deal with it, or go back to r/hololive.

>>58030694
>The conversation is broader than just Kronii
Moving the goalposts suddenly. Go back retard.

>>58030764
I have been talking about people's expectations of vtubers this entire time. Kronii is just the lead example to facilitate that topic.

Sorry about your illiteracy.

>>58030035
that's disgusting! can I get a link so I can thoroughly examine the depths of AIfag perversion?

>>58030694
>Normal fans outnumber gachis 100 to 1, if not much more.

Non-paying greys who don't spend a dime to buy merch or watch the concerts are irrelevant.

>Not to mention, you're a dying breed

Hololive is expanding while still using gachi/unicorn-oriented elements in their marketing. I don't think a normie like you even understands what's a "dying breed".

> Maybe 3 years ago you'd have a point but not anymore.

See above.

>Every day you lose power here, and there is no running it back.

You and your small group of tryhard kronies are practically drowned by all the kronii hate. I don't see any "loss of power" here.

>The only thing convincing you otherwise is the /vt/ bubble giving you a feedback loop of your own opinions.

As opposed to the echo chambers on reddit or twitter, am I right?

>>58030694
anon do you really think you'll be able to convince a bunch of seaniggers and autists with no experience with the outside world?

>>58024877
where uh... on what board can a nibba get more AI voice stuff, chuuba or not... asking for a friend

>>58029680
I dont care that Kronii collabed with guys, I will never forgive her for twitter grandstanding and bringing in social media warriors to plague the community forever

>>58024984
Basically the entire debacle of Mori and the Tempus collabs
even the last minute change of mind is the equivalent of Uki just magically showing up

>>58030694
I too am looking forward to the day gachikois leave vtubing for good. All streams will have 100 viewers at maximum on a lucky day, vtubing as a whole won't be profitable anymore, corpos will close down left and right and, at long last, I will have free time once again.

>>58026577
Ever since Coco got canned, i realized that he is basically just a puppet on the level of Metzen for Old WoW, or Icefrog for DotA 2. What he tries to push and shill vs what happens to the talents is like night and day

>>58030928
>twitter grandstanding
She made a tweet after a week of being screeched at and called a lying whore, saying "yeah nah, my channel, my rules, I'm doing what I want".

>>58029646
Fuckin' rekt

>>58030694
>Normal fans outnumber gachis 100 to 1, if not much more.

yes and theyre deadweights that are carried by the few people who actually support the talents. the higher the number the sadder it is, really. not sure what your point is supposed to be here.
You basically here saying, "theres more of us who enjoy the content without spending money, now just pay for us while we pretend we're morally superior to you". very convincing my guy.

>Vtubers are, shockingly, real people.
yup. and they have responsibilities like anyone else. one of which is to respect their audience if they want to be successful, theyre not entitled to shit

>>58031000
I too am looking forward to the anarchy era of vtubing.

Also maybe this board would finally die.

>>58030820
>When something about Kroni proves me right: Kroni is the lead example
>When something about Kroni proves me wrong: Kroni is an irrelevant example

Go back retard. I'm sorry your zoomer brain can't handle staying on topic for more than 2 fucking posts.

>>58030745
>kronii defence committee out in full force today
I think those may probably be some lost nijisisters, they tend to get paranoid when they see threads like this one

>>58031045
Things got even worse after the IPO.

>>58026658
I always check everything on April fools because of shit like this
But if i was feesh i'd have just doubled down and dumped everything i could think of for that ASMR, then maybe pivot it to nonsensical stupid stuff for the AFD vibe

>>58031102
Given how MLP has been long dead but its board is still around, I find that unlikely.

>>58030903
>Non-paying greys who don't spend a dime to buy merch or watch the concerts
Oh yeah, surely every single audience member in those concerts is a gachikoi, right? Totally reasonable assumption to make.
>Hololive is expanding
>but this doesn't mean the audience is changing
Copium overdose
>tryhard kronies
I haven't watched her since her debut stream.

You have no idea what the real world looks like.
Everything you think you know is filtered by unironic mental illness. Get help.

>>58031045
Nigger is still the majority shardholder, what are you on about?

>>58031140
>Oh yeah, surely every single audience member in those concerts is a gachikoi, right? Totally reasonable assumption to make.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

>>58031066
>"lololol /vt/ is an extremely small minority, like 0.001% of the fandom. They're incapable of doing shit xD"
>"omg /vt/ is a significant force of harassers who screeched at and called kronii a whore. They're a huge ass group who could harass and intimidate her into flip-flopping and making snide, spiteful tweets

I love it when sisters keep switching between these narratives, whenever it suits them.

>>58030987
I was gonna correct and meant "Kronii", but its amazing how hard Mori changed too
>I LOVE TEMPUS
>NONE OF YOU ARE THE BOSS OF ME
>I COLLAB WITH WHO I WANT
>>They get canned
>H-hey anons, i hope you like my new loading screen art teehee
>Who graduated? oh they don't matter, and don't ever bring them up
>You want me to do endurance streams now? Anything for you guys!
>Oh and make sure to ya know, aka supa ;P

>>58031129
It really all is pekover then.

>>58029840
This whole drama was so funny

>>58031194
Don't point logical fallacy at me when you're the one making hyperbolic statements in the first place

>>58031155
You could be the 99% shareholder anon, shit happening in Cover, or Anycolor, or Idol, or anywhere else is no longer in your hands once shit goes public or has the ambition to
>Yagoo didn't even know management had banishment room'd Coco from collabs
>Had to be told Coco's moderator team was replaced with zhangs
>Basically was just staring at anything other than Coco when management told her to fuck off in the final meeting

>>58031270
>hyperbolic
>Kroni's metrics and merch sales taking a nose-dive after the tempus yab

Pick one.

>>58031300
>and merch sales taking a nose-dive after the tempus yab
I'm sure the absurd shipping costs had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Nah, it was ALL le heckin yabberino.

>>58031300
>U-turning back to Kronii instead of the concert statement which was actually in question
Not the brightest bulb, are you

>>58024619
KEK

>>58031140
>Oh yeah, surely every single audience member in those concerts is a gachikoi, right? Totally reasonable assumption to make.

Those with merch covering their entire bodies? Those cosplayers, like Jimmy the Mukirose? Those are gachis that keep the lights on back at Cover's HQ. They bear most of the weight. A thousand normie grays like you are irrelevant compared to someone who akasupas even just once a month. You arguing to defend the girls' honor /here/ or on twitter or on reddit is worthless currency, if it could even be called that.

>Copium overdose

Their marketing hasn't changed. Resources are mainly focused on the girls. Beyond the astorturfing during tempiss' debut, they haven't really bothered to cast a wide net to reel in normies like you. Try again.

>I haven't watched her since her debut stream.

Either you're a liar, a shitposter trying to get a rise out of people, or a twittard who just got done bashing elon musk and came /here/ to blow off some steam.

>You have no idea what the real world looks like.

Says the pseudo-intellectual, sanctimonious and insufferably self-righteous moron who refused to acknowledge evidence contrary to your narrative.

>Everything you think you know is filtered by unironic mental illness.

I wouldn't know. Perhaps you speak from experience? You're obviously a narcissistic sociopath at the very minimum.

>Get help

After you.

>>58024619
The worst part is, had it been shown as an offcollab meet up, no one would have even given a shit. Uki was ultra popular and everyone was still high on Lazulight, so big numbers no matter what
That they peddled it as a CGDCT then stumping Uki on it as a last minute addition, and only chalking up the whole ordeal as an equivalent to a crunchy microphone....

>>58031270
>hyperbolic statements

This coming from someone who said that gachikois didn't matter to Cover and were a "dying" breed". Did you have pure hypocrisy for breakfast?

>>58024877
personally i think the peak of vt was the chumbud that got groomed by a hooman and lead on for i think almost a year before the hooman threw him away like garabage. if any one has the pastebin with all the screenshots feel free to post it

>>58024877
aye, been a while since I've forced myself to sit through the Horse List.

>>58031470
>Becasue for some reason only Kroni's merch suffered from jap shipping autism, not any of the other council girls at all. Nope, nope, nope. Just Kroni for some mysterious unknown reason. All the other girls got completely normal shipping rates. Management or Allah or something just hates Kroni.

un un un un un.

>>58031478
>Hey what you can't call me fallicious, you're using hyperbole to try and make the case that gachis fund Kroni
>>Yes because they do since Kroni struggled to sell merch when compared to the other girls. Unless through some very strange series of events which requires us to ignore Occam's Razor, it is clear that the gachis who left Kroni were the ones buying her merch which resulted in an excess supply of Kroni merch when compared to the other girls. Your using an argument of absurdity which is completely unfounded and fallicious since it has just been proven that yes gachis are the ones who are the primary consumers of vtuber related products.

I know you can't concantenate more than like 2 thoughts together at the same time, but please try.

>>58026658
this seems actually malicious
why stay in a business where it's your job to entertain people if you hate said people?

>>58031548
>reel in normies
Vtubing is normie content. As I said, this is more and more true every single day.
They sing and dance. They play video games. They crack jokes.

They're streamers like all the rest.

>Either you're a liar, a shitposter trying to get a rise out of people, or a twittard who just got done bashing elon musk and came /here/ to blow off some steam.
None of those, I'm afraid.
Just your average reasonable human being who hates unicorns for the plague that they are.

>>58031608
I'm not wrong, is the thing. The more popular Hololive becomes, the less fans like you matter to their operation.

You guys wanna talk big on akasupas? Pennies to ONE corporate sponsorship.

>>58026658
Nijicucks are mentally ill for watching these spiteful cunts.

>>58031697
Because money. Like most jobs. Most of these girls came from relatively well of backgrounds, most likely have not worked any bullshit minimum wage jobs which might have given them the necessary context to appreciate just how fucking sweet of a gig it is to sit behind a screen all day, play video games, act semi-retarded

>>58029488
Petra is still probably kicking herself for being the one that actually leaked it, poor girl

I con-can'T believe what I'm reading right now.

>>58031765
>Vtubing is normie content.
Go ahead and show a vtuber stream to a normie on the street and ask them what they think. I will wait.

>>58031213
yeah, Mori was really not known for doing fanservice or endurance streams before Tempus
retard

>>58031689
>only Kroni's merch suffered from jap shipping autism
Yes. Here is some different merch that was available during that time. You could buy the full set WITH shipping for less than it cost to ship that pillow. Is it that fucking hard for you to believe that maybe the simple answer is the right one?

>>58031697
Because finana quite literally has absolutely no other prospects in life. she's an actual air head with no employment prospects besides lucking out into the streamer golden ticket.

Unfortunately she is the spiteful airhead type rather than the fun and endearing airhead type, took a while to discern which one she was since a lot of her earlier yabs could be seen as either one but the asmr one made it clear it's all spite.

shame too because there were loads of funny things she could've done instead of a legit succubus asmr. could've played it as pure horror since succubus are creatures from hell, could've played it as yandere from hell if she wanted comedic bawdy jokes instead of coom material, could've played it as an incubus rather than a succubus to subvert expectations. So much potential and she wastes it.

>>58024619
The pomu incident literally made pomu thread unusable. The funny thing she Backpedalling so hard that she create Twitter spaces to damage control

>>58031765
>Vtubing is normie content. As I said, this is more and more true every single day.

We're talking about Hololive. Try to keep up with the conversation.

>They sing and dance. They play video games. They crack jokes.

They do GFE. They do ASMRs. They sell "engagement ring" merch. They're practically enveloped in parasocial elements, and Cover is literally exploiting that.

>They're streamers like all the rest.

This is incorrect. Pekora is not like amouranth. Koyori is not like pokimane. Even in the vtuber niche, there are significant differences. If you say Lamy is like, for example, enna or finana, I suggest you see a psychiatrist.

>None of those, I'm afraid.

I'm disinclined to believe, since you have been disingenuous throughout the thread.

>Just your average reasonable human being who hates unicorns for the plague that they are.

The plague that has the means to support Cover and their talents. In which case, they're not a plague. Rather, they're pillars. Meanwhile normie greys like you are parasites who are unable to put their money where their mouths are.

>I'm not wrong, is the thing.

Yes, I'm well aware you're a narcissist. You didn't need to confirm it for me.

>The more popular Hololive becomes, the less fans like you matter to their operation.

Fans who only watch clips and fans who watch streams sporadically and doesn't spend a dime. A bunch of normies who do not contribute a penny to Cover. Pretty sure you've got adblockers installed, too. I'm not sure why you think you somehow have a say in all this.

>You guys wanna talk big on akasupas? Pennies to ONE corporate sponsorship.

Sponsorships depend on multiple factors and is irrelevant to the discussion, but I understand that you are desperate to shift the goalpost. Allow me to clarify for you: No matter what, money is money. Akasupas are still financial contributions. Merch are financial contributions. Would Cover want a gachi who sends $100 to their oshi on a regular basis and buys hundreds of dollars worth of merch, or someone like you who doesn't walk the walk? Simple as. Do you need me to explain again with sock puppets?

>>58032020
The only thing setting it apart from what hundreds of millions of people watch every day is the model.
The content is the same.

I keep saying it, and it is especially, ESPECIALLY true in Japan. Vtubing gets more popular and more normalized every single day. More people learn about vtubers, start watching vtubers, all the time.
It's happening and you can't stop it.

If I approach someone at random and ask them about vtubers, I am vastly more likely today than ever before to get someone who's already familiar with them.

>>58032165
>The simple answer is that despite these two products being ordered, produced and shipped by the same company that there was just some sort of bizarre and completely unexplained anomaly that ONLY impacted Kroni's merch and wasn't solved soon enough which caused her merch to not sell well and this is totally coincidentally with the tempus yab which also saw a massive backlash from her fans and a substantial drop in her metrics. But this factor has absolutely nothing to do with merchandise sales since obviosuly those people weren't going to buy anything anyway

Please explain how this is the more simple answer rather than Kroni isolated fans who were the ones buying her merch.

>>58032267
I'm not reading that. I will wait for you to show me your proof.

>>58032207
>The plague that has the means to support Cover and their talents. In which case, they're not a plague. Rather, they're pillars.
It's funny, because the chinese thought EXACTLY the same thing.

>>58024491
1. Condom money mori
2. Pomu girl night incident
3. Rushia Miko GTA collab
4. Ollie doxx
5. Can I have fun reddit mori
6. Lean Twitter mori
7. Pekora crying at the end of stream

>>58032366
>Oh YEAH?! Well what about CHINA?

Lmao. nta but what the fuck even is this argument?

>>58032398
>Pekora crying at the end of stream
>Not when she broke down in the middle of stream because mane-san called her and told her 'fuck no' to her project plan
How management has ANY control over a powerhouse like Pekora is fucking baffling to me

>>58032366
Also my nigger, Fubuki lost like 50% of her revenue due to the loss of the Chinese market and Cover themselves lost like 15% of their revenue. So your point that Chinese gachis had zero financial impact on Cover as a way to point out that ALL gachis have zero financial impact on Cover is completely retarded and unfounded.

>>58032350
It's self-evident. Vtubers and vtubing companies are getting floorspace, panels and special guest spots at conventions around the world. Hololive is selling out physical concert venues. Mainstream companies are sponsoring them. They are showing up in video games and TV shows.

If you can't see it, you're lying to yourself.

>>58032366
>It's funny, because the chinese thought EXACTLY the same thing.

The chinks were partly right. Their money allowed Cover to get their proverbial foot in the door. However, considering their extreme fickleness, oppressive bureaucracy, unabashed nationalism and all-around terrible culture, they were more trouble than they're worth. Gachis and unicorns outside the mainland are much easier to please or avoid offending. Implying that the two groups are similar would be somewhat inaccurate.

>>58032520
>it's self evident
I'm not going to read the rest.
>>I'm just correct and you're not. No I will not prove anything.
uhuh, keep going, I can actually hear the worms in your brain getting bigger

>>58032563
>I'm not going to read the part that disrupts my incorrect perceptions

>>58032470
Read manhwa real man. You will be surprise how many boomer doesn't touch with reality. I am not surprised they fired Pekora manager

>>58032589
>I made a claim
>No I will not provide any actual proof other than my relative perception

So is it just one big worm or many small worms?

>>58032626
Read the rest of the post before mouthing off, faggot

>>58032665
Woah, that still doesn't look like proof. Almost like...you're just making shit up. So, I'll keep waiting brainworm-chan.

>>58027534

holy kek
>schizo paypigs vs normie casuals
this thread is popcorn worthy

>>58032724
>obvious examples of vtubing's growing popularity are not proof it's growing in popularity
Fuck's sake you're beyond saving

>>58031765
>>58031140
>>58030694
top fucking kek this is exactly how an eight grader argues

>>58032792
>beyond saving
that's /vt/ in a nutshell anon

>>58027534
I get the schizo rrat of male + female = SEX, but did Kronii actually show signs of liking Vesper? Seems like she saw a person to use as a venue for more wild streams, but i thought she liked carpets

>>58028272
Mask off for a second, you don't really think Hololive is this successful because "le ecksdee comedians", right?
You're not deluded enough to think people are charitable and care 100% about the girls because of their personality, right?
Because honestly, if you think even for a moment that someone like Kronii, designed with tits bigger than her own head, has a fandom of chastity belt wearing Christians, I don't know what to tell you. Might makes right in corporate vtubing and if the paying customer doesn't want you to interact with men, you don't interact with men. It's not a hobby for the girls, it's a job. Setting aside the morals and your beliefs of what should be talent freedom, Kronii can graduate at any point, go indie and stream / interact with all the men she wants. Just not in Hololive. She knew this when she applied for the job, ESPECIALLY considering that EN and EN2 happened after the impact of CoVid when socially isolated, lonely men flocked to Hololive and caused this boom to happen. In any other job, acting out of your own interest over the interest of the company's success gets you reprimanded followed by a termination if you don't control yourself. If that kind of corporate environment isn't good or healthy in your opinion, you should really give VShojo a go instead.

>>58032191
elaborate

>>58029607
watch anime then you fucking baby

>>58032851
More than a friend? Probably not. Regardless, it was frowned upon. If you have THE sex model of your generation, you really need to think twice before you act because you're going to attract an audience interested in you primarily for your good looks.

>>58032792
I'm still not reading your posts, so why do you keep typing? Unless you're posting proof, I don't care what you have to say.

Proof now.

>>58032817
EROTIC BRAT

>>58032932
Why are you asking for proof if you're not reading my posts anyway?

>>58032817
If I had to choose only one vtuber to lewd for the rest of my life it'll be Shion

>>58032858
>if you think even for a moment that someone like Kronii, designed with tits bigger than her own head, has a fandom of chastity belt wearing Christians
The world is not a binary. Her fanbase is hundreds of thousands of people, you really think they're all one way or another?

Stop taking everything in extremes.

The Kronii drama gave us the star wars/unicorn parody threads. Many keks were had.

>>58032398
newfag here, can I get a qrd?

>>58031765
>Vtubing is normie content
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>58030694
Yeah and gachis pay a lot more than all of the other fans combined so this argument is nullified
>K-On is anime
Oh so you agree it’s a problem but only in your arbitrary definition of where it’s problematic and where not?? Goddamn hypocrite.

>>58027534
add to that mori's RM declaring victory and winner winner chicken dinner

only legendary from the backlash and almost instant backpedaling she did when she got called out on her shit

>>58032307
I posted the merch of fucking Mori Calliope, "le heckin ebil mastermind out to force male collabs and destroy hololive", and yet her shipping prices were reasonable. Here is another example, again from someone who collabs with males. Notice how the shipping isn't fucking $138. I don't know WHY Kronii's merch had shipping that fucking high, but it did, and to act like it didn't play any part at all in her merch doing badly is being intentionally disingenuous.

the absolute state of this schizo arguing from the position of a gachikoi whale to justify his retarded position
prove that you spent over 10000 USD on a single vtuber or shut the fuck up and kill yourself you waste of bandwidth

>>58033186
>1846 likes

That's about 3 times of her average ccv these days. Where did they all go, I wonder?

>>58033232
The last time some retarded anon asked this of me, they simply accused me of lifting the screenshot from google. I ain't falling for that shit twice. Doesn't make the argument that gachis carry more weight any less cogent, though.

>>58033212
The answer would be that dedicated fans would still buy it for what is essentially one akasupa that they donate on the regular anyway. But they don’t, and that’s because of kronii

>>58033304
okay then

>>58033186
qrd?

>>58033346
After you.

>>58033235
cute Lui

what triggered kroniischizo this time?

>>58033212
>I don't know WHY Kronii's merch had shipping that fucking high
They're doing the usual Chinese tactic of setting the price low but setting shipping cost high to make it seem like the item is cheaper than it is. I'm sure a large portion of the shipping cost is going to Cover and not the shipping companies. So why is the total cost so high now? Perhaps the demand has dropped and they're trying make up for it by raising the price since it is turning into a niche product. They don't want it to look like Kronii's merch is more expensive than the other members, so they put the extra cost into the shipping instead.

>Only the gachikoi matter
>Lmao she lost half her viewers because of le males
Which is it? Will any "unicorn" false flagger faggot ever argue in good faith?

>>58033045
Nta, but that’s just disingenuously reducing his argument

What actually happened with Kronii was a little more complicated. Basically she first attempted to understand where her delusional paypigs were coming from, but then figured out that they were completely retarded. They are frothing at the mouth about it to this day, and whether or not she meant it this way is irrelevant, the effect was the same.

Basically Kronii did not have a lot of things going for her as a streamer early on. She had the Wada model and a nice voice. But she wasn't great at zatsudan, she wasn't great at games, and she wasn't great at singing, she also did karaoke pretty rarely. Which is fine, part of the joy of the Hololive experience is watching your streamer develop over time. Thus delusional paypigs had to find something else to latch onto and they did so by becoming parasocial with her. This wasn't helped by her choosing to watch a lot of "Gosling" movies in member streams like The Truman Show, and of course Ryan Gosling himself in Blade Runner and La La Land.
The male collab thing was not well received by the delusional paypigs and they made their discontent known by threatening to rape and murder her.

The point is during a special unarchived member stream, Kronii took the time to read these posts, out loud on stream, in an effort to better understand what these people were unhappy about. And for a brief moment, she had satisfied the irrational whims of a small number of profoundly mentally ill people. While Reddit and Twitter were calling these people unicorns and incels, she naively took the time to read them, addressed their concerns, and even defended them, saying she didn't want people attacking her "fans". She stated clearly, that while she would NOT stop doing male collabs, she would not initiate them, probably not tweet to them that much, and she would not stream her POV to them. The point is, she was a fool to not dismiss them out of hand, like others were doing.

Then less than a day later, she did this tweet, disappeared for a week, and when she came back said she would collab with whoever, whenever, and that was the end of it. There was no further discussion and at the same time the Hololive account made that proclamation against harassing the talents.

So in the eyes of the delusional paypigs who felt betrayed, she had gone from understanding them and defending them, to siding with the people who mocked them and disparaged them, while running and hiding behind the skirts of the company from the inevitable backlash she had to know would follow. Honestly it would have been better if she had never done that unarchived members stream. She gave them hope that she understood, if not fully agreeing with where they came from, and then dashed it violently. That's why they hate her so much. It's not as simple as "male collabs" or "unfortunately idol culture is a thing" it is the result of what happens when you give an inch to adults that have the emotional maturity of a four-year-old and a room temperature IQ.

>>58033232
>>58033304
We are all friends here guys! By the photos you both have posted, you both have good taste! Lets be the best of friends!

>>58033333
>buy something that has 3x its price in shipping.

nta but that sounds financially retarded

>>58033480
wow he's using fancy words he doesn't understand
cute

>>58032550
To be fair, telling them fuck you on the end of a stream has something to do with them being angry, same shit happened to hacchama and she didn't got graduated.

>>58033460
Why can’t both be true

>>58033553
>thinks "disingenuous" is a "fancy word"
Kill yourself eslnigger

>>58033530
Well, aren't you a sprightly one? Can't say anything against that positivity.

>>58033530
where's your casual outfit lui?

>>58033534
If you care for your oshi that’s irrelevant. In the same vein it would be "financially retarded" to donate 100$ in SC with nothing in return

i'm retarded and might be remembering this incorrectly, but wasn't Towa's growth completely stunted for a long time because a male voice was heard on her stream?
i'm using the condom money superchat as my BC/AD point and i think it happened before that

>>58033600
what you said made no sense

>>58024491

>>58033350
Feesh overdosed on SJW juice and believed the retarded idea that "trap" is a slur, so she banned it from her chat, forgetting that her fanbase is 90% degenerate weebs, topping her retardation was that last tweet, which pissed everyone off.
She ended up being swarmed by viewers, things escalated when dramafags smelled the blood in the water, resulting in even more people joining in just to call her a retard.
She ended up having to do an emergency stream where she was cried twice while apologizing and ended up backtracking on the ban.
That's pretty much the only thing she's known for now.

>>58033633
At least the 100$ SC would go to your oshi.

Would she see any of that 130$ shipping?

>>58032973
Proof doko?

>>58033706
I thought she was fat

>>58033212
>I don't know why
Yes, you don't. So let's use the most logical explanation which is Kroni isolated her fans. Mori never backstabbed her fans so going "WHAABOUT MORI" is not relevant.

>>58033661
Of course it didnt, because you’re a dumbass esl

>>58033709
So trap isn’t banned on her stream anymore?

>>58033186
>please educate yourself
Yikes, yikes, double and triple yikes. Holy crap, every time I do hear or see something like this, it's either from a very young and dumb person or a retard.

>>58033808
It's ok to be retarded anon, we're all here for you

>>58032191
one good thing that came out of that debacle was the cum edit of their cellphone group pic.

>>58033874
>it's either from a very young and dumb person or a retard
Finana double dips here

>>58030442
... literally she could straight up say "I understand your grievances, but I am sad to announce the nature of my channel will change it's character. I understand you might want to stop your membership; however I firmly believe this is correct way to make my channel grow." And it would cause less stink, just some grumbling there and there. Is honesty such a hard policy?

>>58033855
nope, she ended up bending the knee.
Imagine completely tanking your career for nothing.

>>58033955
Out of curiosity, how did the abcdefg crowd react to this?

i need streamables for Lia's apology for talking to that MALE for 30 minutes and Finana's apology for the self-education incident
pretty please

>>58033935
Yeah, or she could’ve just said something along the lines of still wanting to be friengly with everyone, not meaning to alienate anyone, but just hoping that her fans will still understand that she cares for them. Of course, this is assuming she thinks like that internally.
God she’s retarded

>>58034054
few patches of impotent rage, not too much buzz.

>>58029995
Pomu handled this perfectly lol. Unlike a certain pink woman

>>58030694
... the success of FuwaMoco directly proves you are fucking wrong and retarded. People want from Vtubers to be actors and entertainers. If you can't play a character for two or three hours, maybe change your job. I don't want to watch a twitch thot with anime face. I expect some standards. Yes, you can go watch Marvel movies at cinema; but holy hell you are a flaming faggot for trying to impose this "level" of entertainment onto reputable theatre.

>>58027968
i still remembered the times when it happened. it honestly looked like a nothingburger because Haachama was still streaming normally a few days after that stream happened. then one day she had an ASMR stream scheduled, and suddenly it got canceled when Cover released a statement that she and Coco were both suspended for "showing metrics not meant to be public", which was bullshit because other holos had done something similar before.

still though i'm still thankful the Taiwan yab happened because i can't imagine an alternate timeline where it didn't happen and Cover is still sucking chink cock to this day just to appease them.

>>58034077
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9RV7m426k0

>>58033709
>>58033955
Kek, it’s so funny since NOT ONE FUCKING TIME have I heard someone use "trap" derogatory against trannies and I’ve conversed a lot with people against them. r/animemes with their retarded ban has just convinced casual ironic weebs that also love virtue signaling that for some inexplicable imaginative reason "trap" is basically the same as nigger.
Literally no one hating on troons would use the word trap, it’s always been used by weebs who have a "totally not gay" obsession with Astolfo lmao and to have these people tear each other apart by seeing ghosts of supposed haters is fucking hilarious

>>58033636
>Towa's growth completely stunted for a long time
Male voice was heard on discord. Then she lied by telling her fans it was the staff(friend, bf. who knows). Fans got angry and rm antis used this to fan the flame. With kaigai, 3d debut and ERROR was her saving grace that boosted her.

And yeah people were already pissed off before that cause her carelessness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiGuCR0kdAY&t=3s

>>58034155
some day you'll grow up and realize that different people want different things and that not everyone thinks like you do

>>58034223
lmao
trannies seethe because they WISH they were traps since they're all hons irl

>>58034278
Funny how you accuse him of something you did yourself, you’re such a giant fucking hypocrite it’s not even funny anymore

>>58034223
This desu. I acquiesce whenever a tranny acquaintance is in the conversation but quite literally the only context where-in trap means like that is in anime where a straight man looks like a woman for whatever purpose. I'm not sure if weebs first used it that way, but it's weebs and anime that popularized it, and it was never about trannies. Hell most of the characters it referred to identify as male.

>>58027534
>Basically she first attempted to understand where her fans were coming from
Nobody can be that dense, especially not a woman in this scenario.

>>58034362
dishonest post

>>58034278
>people want different things
Yes. And i want my girls free from homos showering from gachi money as "different people" watch tempiss, found near the dumpster begging for ps5 funds.

>>58031765
>Vtubing is normie content.
Maybe in the glory days of 2020-2021.
>The more popular Hololive becomes
We've already past the peak

>>58033736
This just post proof. You can even make a youtube short about it.

>>58034278
Read my post, this time try to understand what I wrote, you flaming retard. Remember to breathe.

I literally said it's okay to watch Marvel movies. It's shit entertainment but at the end of the day? If you like it, sure enjoy it.

Just leave my theatre alone and don't impose Marvel shit onto something completely different, okay buddy? I don't want to watch Marvel.

>>58034528
You're wrong

>>58034553
>every vtuber has to act like a whore! You CANNOT demand quality entertainment!

disagree. I can use my wallet to vote.

> That time Pippa started talking about her suicidal ideations on stream
> When Phase Connects Chief Fish floated a a new behavioral policy for all Phase talents, but he excluded Pippa from adhering to it, so she had a mental breakdown on stream about getting preferential treatment
> Production Kawaii's Nene Amano more than likely getting management to nuke the archives of her graduated genmate after getting fanart with the graduated girl in it.
> Prism Project's Sara Nagare throwing a bitchfit about GFE and parasocialness after getting literally one guyed, causing the company to come out behind her in support of her and putting a policy that limited it, which set back a couple of other members content for months.
>Production Kawaii's firing of Oceane Otoishi for "running a dox group." and slander
>Production Kawaii's Gen 3 mass exodus from the company
> EIEN Project''s Kiki Lockheart selling a gamer chair to her top simp under false circumstances
> EIEN Project's Discord grooming debacle
> EIEN hiring a literal cam whore who went fucking nuts after a few months.
> Cyberlive talents big discord leaks, revealing everyone seething behind the scenes about Kaneko Lumi
> Cyberlive talent Vera Vee getting an expose for secretly dating a fan and cheating on him simultaneously

>>58034278
But more people with more money like the things we do

>>58034528
Rika hotter

>>58034278
Very true. Now you should fuck off and watch what you like instead of forcing it in a place it doesn't belong. Stay in your lane. I recommend you have a look on twitch. The vtubers there are more in line with what you want.

>>58024491

>>58034155
Most people want attention, that's why you have so many people throwing money at vtubers, and many people want to be right now a stupid youtuber or another "corpo" vtuber.

Many of people who are throwing money at these tubers are pretty much loners, who live mostly alone, don't have friends and nobody cares they are alive. They want attention, and when feesh or any other influencer says something to them like "take care, till next time", it feels like an angel just stumbled on them.

Entertainers? Please bruh, look at this place and tell it with straight face.

Wait you guys are serious about the unicorn shit?
This isn't a falseflag by antis?
It isn't a meme?
You actually, seriously think like this?
Is it some kind of post ironic thing like foot fetish?
You ACTUALLY are like this?
LOL
LMAO, if I may

>>58034272
She was also already one of the least popular in Gen 4 along with Luna before the drama due to her voice and generally being more tired back then because iirc she was still working another job. There's also the accusations of teaming which does sound ridiculous but the Valorant smurfing drama involving CR just shows how autistic some JPs can be about dumb things.

>>58034683
Oh my fucking god I never watched tempus but even the worst girls didn’t let it infiltrate their stream nearly this much. How can anyone still watch streams after that without the whole vibe being ruined by toxicity?

>Basically Mari goes to a con and tells her friend 20 different ways she wants to go back to the hotel without her, and to text/call/dm her when she is heading back so Mari can "be ready" for her
>Friend ignores literally all of this because she is high/drunk off her gourd
>Walks in, Mari surrounded by literally 5 guys
>Mari panics and kicks everyone out
>On her return stream after con tells her chat she doesn't care if she's called a whore

>>58034699
>peko poster
>retarded post
Every fucking time

>>58034278
Why wont you go watch Twitch? If you want stereotytpical white upper-middle class white women from big NA city, its right up your alley. Shit at games, constant flirting, oversexualizing themselves! What more a person like you would want?

>>58034808
Why are you vomiting!? I'll bring you a bucket! Puke over the toilet till I get the bucket!

>>58034278
Wow, this post really struck a nerve

>Mel gets molested and very likely worse by at least 1 manager for a month+
>No one bats an eye
>Kronii talks to a male half a world away
>Whore

>>58034824
Based honestly
if you're gonna be a whore why not go all out

>>58034979
Not based! We need a Crusade on whores. Being a gross whore isn't a personality!

>>58034937
>gets many (you)s
>refuses to engage with posts
>>wow this really must’ve struck a nerve huh that must mean I’m right! :D
You can’t declare victory on the basis that a lot of people replied to you

>>58034880
WHY twitch? Not like Youtube is free of homocollabers
Twitch is utter garbage video streaming site, in fact, twitch is better for farming paypigs BECAUSE of the chat system is better,

>>58034697
I am throwing money at them because I like their content. They are ambassadors of JP culture in EN; literally the first chuuba to grace EN which show how JPs are actually doing it. No twitch thottery. Straight up kayfab, staying true to their character. If a Miko sees them in Minecraft and cums buckets, Okayu joining in BAU BAU - they are doing it right so much, even an outsider can see it, even when there's language barrier. I precisely keep throwing money at them because I precisely dislike your kind of "entertainment". I commend level of work, professionalism, engagement with viewers. They keep streaming every day, also doing heavy content half hour skits three days a week - it's safe to say it takes much more time to make it.

You simply don't grasp what are you talking about. And I will keep voting with my wallet.

>>58034947
>half a world away
Putting aside the dumbass argument here where one is trying to say the victim that reported the guy and brought things to court is a whore.

>>58035071
>You can’t declare victory on the basis that a lot of people replied to you
You can however gauge victory by how much seething response exists to a largely reasonable post.

>>58035106
Sorry anon, if she let it ride for even a day, she's a cock starved whore.
Hate to be the one to tell you, but most likely case is Mel eventually turned mane-san(s) in once she didnt get her payout or got bored of it

>>58034979
>go all out
a real whore would have went on with the fucking and streamed it since the cat was out of the bag anyways

>>58024592
its funny, i found it funny. what i didnt find funny is this
>>58024619
even if he was "gay", this is betrayal up, front and center.

>>58031045
he's just having fun man

>>58035124
No you can’t, you can only declare victory if you beat someone in an argument, which you can’t if you don’t even reply to them. Of course this is a foreign concept to you to begin with

>>58035176
>got bored of it
What does this mean? That she liked it?

>>58034223
Only ugly trannies that can't pass (read: the overwhelming majority) hate the word because it reminds them of their inadequacy, the ones that actually function as traps don't give a shit.

>>58035124
>you're retarded
>you're retarded
>you're retarded
>you're retarded
>you're retarded

>there's a lot of replies this means my post was smart :DDD

>>58035089
>WHY twitch
You lack critical information. Vshojo might be (very) bad but its still better that 80% of western indies on that site.

>>58035443
>Vshojo
I mean, I like them, not enough to hop on Twitch either.
My 11 year toaster can't even run it properly. But on Youtube? 720p is doable.
Twitch is literally garbage, as in the system, not the content.

Well besides pic-related that I imagine a number of you guys have already seen, Kronii has had several other broken promises:
>weekly minecraft streams, stopped after sportsfest with no mention at all as to why
>to post pics on twitter of stuff she's made in minecraft off--stream, only did it once or twice, next minecraft stream shows she's made renovations off-stream
>endurance pokemon stream on her last pokemon DP stream, never streamed the game again and didn't participate in the tournament despite promising to be sana's rival and fight her
>to get better on dead by daylight especially with the spirit DLC character she picked, reveals in the homo collab she never played again since last DBD collab with the girls and sucks at using spirit
>join the rust server, never happened even if just off-stream
>to do more karaoke so she can improve in front of her fans, now only happens once in a blue moon
>more streams after moving, schedules still remain the same as before, just adding "working" on it sometimes to fill in a slot
>guerilla streams, never did during the guerilla week, almost never happens besides when she starts feeling the heat from fans getting annoyed then maybe a members stream
>improve on communicating with fans, has gotten more recluse since the moving
>wants people to be more open and criticize her, mods 5 paypigs from her roommate side to censor her chat and comments
>says she values honesty over everything
>she will always be honest with us and wants us to be honest with her
>doesn't even want to hear white lies because lying is so bad to her
>ends up becoming a pathological liar
>hates it when we are honest with her
>is now the least trustworthy Holomem
>breaks every other promise she makes

Also in a twitter space weeks ago she talked about really wanting to stream for the Kronies whilst in Japan yet that hasn't happened at all:
https://files.catbox.moe/lgtos4.m4a
11:28
>"Do you miss us too?" Yeah you know, actually, I kind of miss...um, streaming. It's just that, like, so BUSY. And like, h-how do I say this...usually the right- not right- but the usual time that I stream would be around like, y'know the evening, right? Like here it has to be like, maybe like, maybe... 12-ish, 1-ish...11-ish? What-not. And like, I keep missing it. So it's like "aaah everyone is probably asleep at around this time so I probably can't stream..." and then I come back for the nighttime and it's like 10 or 11 and it's like "Ugh, it's too late I'm gonna pass out". I am a night creature, yeah that's kind of ironic though, isn't it? I think I'm getting used to the jetlag.
The only time Kronies can catch seeing her is if someone else is streaming and drags Kronii who's just playing offstream or hanging out with them.

>>58035553
From what it seems its like your 3rd worlder computer is shit, not the website.

>>58035621
The website, as in the streaming engine is shit. If it needs brute forcing then it is garbage programming, Todd Howard.

>>58035553
>as in the system, not the content.
Are you saying that selling soft porn to 15yo by women is good content? When 95% of them lack basic skills in anything besides looking for lonely people to milk out of their money?

>>58024984
Unironically no equivalent
the backlash to such a thing in holo would easily dwarf whatever happened to fish & pomu

>>58035680
>works fine for everyone except me
>clearly its not fault of my own
Considering your prievious statements I think you should post your skin color.

>>58035553
ironically twitch is much nore manageable. youtube almost made my overclocked 7900k CPU kneel when people were spamming the clap emote in chat, and it's still a fucking CPU intensive site to this day because pajeets can't code for shit.

>>58035745
You saying like these didn't exist on Youtube.
>>58035796
I am literally a SEAnigger, what's that to do with anything? Every content creator I watch said Twitch had the worst coding too. Just the chat environment is better for those wanting direct interaction with the viewers.
>Schizo simultaneously attacking and defending Twitch just to shit on someone

>>58034683
>S-Say that to my face
This isn't real

>>58035866
>I am literally a SEAnigger
Every fucking time. without a miss
>what's that to do with anything
Everything. You retards cannot see fault of your own and blame everyone else. Case and point: your own posts itt. On top of that you clearly lack basic dignity and moral backbone. Just because you are from a 3rd world shithole, dont expect 1st world to adjust to your level. Twitch will not optimize around you shitty rig and twitch thots (which are not twitch itself you massive idiot) are not good content creators.

>>58024619
>>58026073
>>58026658
Was this before or after her educate yourself yab

>>58031292
If you have 51% you have total say, learn how shareholding works

>>58035997
>Youtube is better optimized than Twitch
>Get on my level, Seanigger!
At this point I don't even know anymore

>>58034278
Yes. You are free to go watch every other streamer in existence who caters to your desires and vtubers cater to ours, so fuck off?

>>58034521
proof doko?

>>58036093
I laughed way to hard at this. Thank you anon, we all needed a joke after being so salty

>>58036216
Indonesia has an avergae IQ of 78. it make sense you cannot understand.

>>58028797
if she was still here we wouldnt have the absolute shitfest of unicorns and schizo's. she was a good community moderater

>>58036394
>avergae
Bet you're also a Seanig
>>58031292
>>58036351
>>58036093
>Not separating total stock into internal shares and public float
Do anyone know the breakdown?
Anyway, just having 10% of *total shares* allow you to cockblock most public company decision.

The average IQ in Indonesia is 78.49, according to the World Population Review. This means that about 50% of the population has an IQ between 78.49 and 88.51. This ranking places Indonesia 130th out of 199 countries.

>>58029186
mysterio....

>>58025781
why did you

>>58033056
>1. Condom money mori
someone sent mori a superchat telling her this is condom money for connor after their collab/offcollab? she bit the bait and hada meltdown
>2. Pomu girl night incident
advertised their offcollab and girls only, there was a male mogus
>3. Rushia Miko GTA collab
dont worry about it complete nothingburger
>4. Ollie doxx
merch unboxing, very reflective merch
>5.
i dont know
>6.Lean Twitter mori
mori said lean and everyone thought she meant the drug, she them doubled down
>7.Pekora crying at the end of stream
perkora old manager was a fucking complete retard