/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Another Gura thread
Time to use this image

You talk about Myth like they knew they were gonna be as big as they are, especially Gura getting to 4 millions subscribers and becoming the biggest vtuber.
Myth probably never had an appointed leader (maybe Ame), and can i tell you for a fact that it wasn't Gura.

>>57904611
So what? These girls cannot, to quote Amelia's bullshit "improve themselves"
I don't get comments like this that try to invoke pity for being too successful as a way to avoid criticism.

>>57903987
cool story bro

>>57903987
I think there's a good point to be made about both Myth and Tempus doing way better than their japanese counterpart right out of the gate and the biggest member going menhera and fucking off.
So if you want a solid project you gotta start slow and steady, build that foundation by being humble and working hard.

>>57903987
You think that's bad? Tempus got better support than even any female gen ever did up to that point minus maybe holoX the shill gen and fucked it up even harder. Stars have had to grind even worse than early hololives have. Imagine being in their shoes and watching the ENs destroy everything you've built while your own opportunities are actually being lost

>>57906230
You're thinking of UPROAR. I'm pretty sure they were the first to get 3D models, new outfits, a whole variety series on the official channel where they traveled around Japan doing stuff, got a 3D concert with special outfits, got the "no overlap during 3D showcase" made for them, a bunch of advertising around Tokyo and the list goes on.
People have a hateboner for Tempus but UPROAR had ALL of it, the most investment a gen could get, and even then is a failure bar Gamma that gets good SC numbers for Stars standards

Anyone who cries about other people not “earning” their success is always throwing up red flags that they’re a mediocre loser in a dead end 5-figure job.

>>57903987
Culture and background. Specifically Japanese work culture, Indonesian background (re:poorfags) and Western culture.
That's really all it comes down to

>>57904611
What kind of excuse is that? It doesn't even make sense, all of them dreamed of making it big.
Just imagine, there were early stories of Miko finding Yagoo crying alone on a corner because things weren't doing well, and he did not want to fire any of the girls. And then we have these girls complaining about being too successful.

>>57903987
I have been saying since forever that many of EN just take their viewers for granted. Many of them doesn't even want to take the idol path, they just see an easy path to success and a comfortable life without having to do much.

>>57903987
After all this time, I think I'll give the point to Ame. She was right with the "improve yourself", and any retard can see it clearly by lurking on this board for more than 10 minutes.

meanwhile council has fucked off to Japan for the entire summer and Fauna carried the gen on her back

>>57906657
>Specifically Japanese work culture
Is retarded. And I don’t mean that in a whiny “work is hard” way. Salaries are shit and overtime is mandatory, regardless of necessity.
It’s also considered shameful in Japan to change jobs.
American work culture is harshly divided between the American right, that strongly espouses the personal value of doing an honest day’s labor, and the left, who believe working to live is evil and everyone should just get free food.
Europeans don’t work.
And Indonesians only know how to shovel mud.

>>57906657
>>57906883
>Europeans don’t work.
Kiara works the hardest in the entire branch.

idiot beta males who can't take a hint that their money is only funding their lazy ass lifestyles, yet still blindly send money every chance they get thinking "if i send positive vibes they'll feel like being here more!" No, fucking morons, people work to survive, if you don't have to and can lay around and get paid to just exist you wouldn't do anything either.

STOP GIVING GRIFTERS MONEY, make them earn it.

>>57907009
That's because the new gen is paying for their lazy parents and grandparents. My uncle was allowed to retired at 40yo but I have to work until my 80s if I want to retire.

>>57906546
Amen. Imagine OP putting all the energy from the seethe into improving one's own circumstances but that's less comfortable than sitting on your ass all day so he won't

>>57907145
>but I have to work until my 80s if I want to retire.
I think the average young person right now can't retire now.

>>57907009
Reading superchats and playing games isn’t work. Kiara has even said as much, and it’s why she doesn’t consider Holomems idols, since I know you’re probably a seething chickenshit about to erupt.
Which is all irrelevant, because no one in Hololive is reflective of their culture. The HoloJP girls also think Japanese work culture is retarded. Normal Americans think tranime is for faggots. Indonesians don’t know what the internet is.
HoloEN and ID were never going to attract the same kinds of talents as JP.

>>57903987
It's easy to play armchair psychologist when we're this far removed from what was/is actually going on behind closed doors.
My rrat was always that Myth really didn't know what they were signing up for.
They thought it was gonna be Twitch streaming with JP ownership.

>I really don't want to hate. I don't want to cause trouble

Yes you do lol here's your reply

>>57903987
I would like restrain and undress christmas-Sora and then have my wicked way with her to such a furious degree that krampus abandons all the naughty german kids he was going to en-sacken and come straight after me.

>>57907116
>get paid to just exist you wouldn't do anything either
This is the problem, not everyone is like this. And the auditions were supposed to filter these grifters.

>>57908076
This is the weakest rrat I have read today. Even the dumbest of them could just google what hololive and find out tha this was the wrong assumption.
Even though Hololive wasn't as big as it is today, it was still one of the biggest companies in the market, and had some of the biggest vtubers. Gen 3 was already a huge thing when they started auditioning for EN.

>>57908394
I still think Shiori made it all the way to debut not realizing what idol shit she was going to be expected to do.

>>57908394
Expecting zoomers to use Google is very optimistic of you.

>>57908513
I think she knows very well, but she thinks she can just be stubborn about it and do the bare minimum. If there is one thing she is, is stubborn.

>>57908159
Based, not even giving the dumb cunt a (you)

>Working hard when you don't need to.
Rumao and whatnot.
She took the Shion route. Can't blame her, god knows how much money she has at this point, why bother trying

>>57904201
Fpbp
OP BTFO

>>57906546
I am not saying something "she didn't earn it!"
That implies anyone could have been Gura, and I don't think that, she has talent.
But I don't think the way she acts is good for her branch.
If someone with the same issues had been the leader of JP, then Hololive would have been dead and buried.

>>57907116
They will call us redditors for saying it aloud, but that stance is literally the reddit opinion.
One look into Hololive there and all you see are threads like
>We need to support Gura, no fan has the right to make demands, its people putting pressure on her that are causing less videos to be made! If we are nothing but positive, surely she will stop being mind hort and return to streaming

>>57908513
Absolutely not. She and FWMC seem to be the most aware of what they will have to do, Bijou is also very clever about her streams and knows to go with the flow and not bitch. Rissa feels more like the outsider to me.

>>57908729
Taking the Shion route when you are in the position of Fubuki or Aqua is fucking egoistical and can be criticized.

>>57903987
seethe. Gura has more talent and charisma in one pinky than all of the nameless, faceless japs. that's not her fault. you work hard, you get fat and rich, then you coast, that's called living the dream. only idiots keep busting ass for literally no reason. All those others you mentioned would trade Gura spots in a heartbeat, and be just as lazy and content.

>>57903987
Stop shitposting with Sora, please. Thank you.

>>57909751
A lot of 'idiots' get rich and keep working because they're having fun and also want to be richer.

>>57906883
>Europeans don’t work
You mean only Western Europeans, though. Even worse, you mean fags from "European Union".

>>57910639
Ah yes, famously hardworking people of Russia and Poland.

>>57910697
To be fair, the women work hard. It is the men who don't do anything in those countries.

>>57910697
Ew, no. I mean myself, a strong potato farmer, IT grinder and an extremist from Belarus.

picture unrelated

>>57910981
Jokes aside though, from my observance Russians really do work much less than anyone in CIS.

>>57903987
Based nun nun.

>>57903987
You left out the part where the only reason JP and ID actually took off the way they did is because of the overwhelming, surprise success of Myth. EN dragged this entire company to relevance.

>>57906883
>Europeans don't work
Fuck you.
The Japanese are closer to Krauts than other Asians for a reason.

>>57911686
Racism brings everyone together!

>>57903987
>Imagine how the gen 1 girls felt having to do bug eating streams to get attention.
Nandatte?

>>57903987
>Specifically a couple of girls of a certain branch, while other ENs and all JPs managed it? Are they this weak? If so, why did they bother applying for Hololive?
I like that IRyS is on hiatus again while AzKi streams frequently.

>>57912079
He meant chammers

>>57903987
>It's a job, don't apply for it if you are unable to perform it.
That's not how they see it. They see it as free money. You gave a lazy, spoiled american girl free money and now she's fine and set and doesn't care about 'the company' or feel any gratitude. You're welcome.

Sora's virgin body.... ravaged by old men for the good of the company, and fubuki is there too.

>>57912171
Oh
But she does that even if no one asks.

>>57909328
Gura is old and busted. Basically the Kizuna Ai of Hololive. She's a mascot that everyone knows about, but only an infinitesimal number of her subscribers actually watch her streams and aechives. Even less buy into her memberships, buy her merch, and buy superberries. You're acting as if gura is some behemoth that's harming her branch, but her behemoth days ended 2 years ago. Now she's just a shadow of an internet personality.
As far as Cover corporation is concerned, Gura simply isn't relevant anymore aside from being a mascot. Her function is as a brand logo basically

>>57903987
You are either a newfag or retarded if you don't remember all the shit Myth had to deal with at the start.
For starters, Cover considered it a side project, hell gen 5 just came out so it's not like it was a company priority. And with good reason, since fucking everyone had doubts that a western branch of vtubing could be successful.
This meant that they had very little support: remember how they had to rely on Ame for technical support?
And then they fucking exploded, but this also came with A LOT of problems, as now they had suddenly a lot of schizo to deal with (especially Kiara).
I remember that around Council debut, when asked about how were the first months after debut, Mori could only say "Hard. Very, very hard" and that they were doing everything they could so that every EN gen after them was actually well supported behind the scenes.
So don't tell me that Myth had everything served on a silver platter when they had to carve a new market out of fucking nothing while fighting against doubters, schizo and their own fucking company, you fucking monkey.

>>57913199
>had to rely on Ame for technical support
Ina too, btw. Just remembered one small fact. Ina was the one who told Myth to make a separate user account on their computers to not open some private shit by accident while showing the screen (looking at you, Ollie)

>>57913199
While he did overstate how easy it was, I think you're overstating how over they were before even uttering a word.
The market was already there, as the clipping channels demonstrated.
People were foaming at the mouth at the idea of finally understanding what was being said in real time.

>>57913602
>People
And monkeys too! SWAGAPINO PRIDE!!! U A A A!

>>57913199
>Actual newfag revisionism.

Holy fuck go back cuckbeat.

>>57913199
>t.newfag

>>57903987
Gura didn't work hard to get successful, so it means nothing to her.

>>57913199
Holy newfag.

>>57912079
>>57912171
Not chammers. Korone, FBK, Matsuri and Migo ate bugs in a stream.
A classic of the struggling days.
https://www.youtube.com/live/u8JlVnXIz_Q?si=XGrUzet1IVoEeJUi

>>57915613
Oh right, that. It was so corpo that I almost forgot about it

>>57909623
Fubuki has put in work man, don't even to compare her to someone like Gura.
End of the day, Hololive's entire thing has been stumbling ass backwards into success, they are succesful in spite of themselves thanks to the sheer strenght and talent of the girls they lucked into hiring.
>>57911585
I don't know about this one, they started climbing around gen 3, then rocketed thanks to Coco, but EN did play a big part in it, I do agree there.
>>57913199
Not true, the market was always there with the crazy amount of clippers Holo had, hell for a time Nijisanji had a chunk of the market thanks to hana, but she pissed it all away.
People REALLY wanted english speaking girls.

>>57903987
Based

>>57911585
Revisionistfag, did you forget a period of almost 2 years where no one could go outside and almost every youtube channel grew immensely?

>>57912693
>Gura is old and busted
Essentially this is true. But nobody synergize with and embodies the idol culture of hololive better than Gura in EN.
Well, it's either that, or Gura is simply an incredible liar. (picrel)
Until someone could fill that place, Gura will remain irreplacable
But there is almost no more room to fill, as Gura is already perfect in that place. She's "too lucky" in a sense.

>>57903987
lazy western whores doing lazy western whores things