/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Koyori has now fallen 3 times on this bit

>>57659505
>>57659509
It reminds her of Kiara

>>57659544
too big

>>57659544
Did you seriously think the other one would've stayed up?

I fucking hate advertisers

I love Mori!

meido is gay

>>57659651
yes

>Other OP wasn't advertiser friendly enough

>>57659662
same

I miss Kaela...

>>57659641
kek

Gura cute Gura cute!

You tricked me. You made me think she was boring and cringe, but I watched her stream and she's actually funny, entertaining, and, dare I say, cute.

>>57659544
Why do artists love drawing Mori with gross alien proportions?

>>57659691
nice catalog post

4 times

>>57659637
>read this post
>koyo fall again
it's my fault...

>>57659398
>no one will ever love you as much Adoring Fan
he leapt through worlds and crossed the galaxy to be with you
https://youtu.be/PaZXPx1kdtg?t=59

>>57659651
Looked SFW to me.

>>57659673
>eating frozen poop

>>57659722
>Didn't manage to avoid drowning
Koyo.....

>>57659691
Nice catalog thread, but this is true nonetheless

>>57659734
I hope they make a sequel to this song

It feels like this thread is all deadbeats tonight

>>57659715
what is going through Ina's mind in this moment?

>>57659691
I don't know how many levels of irony you're on right now but it's not making me want to watch Mori.

>>57659728
She did it again...

https://files.catbox.moe/77fgps.jpg
thoughts?

>>57659780
Without a shade of irony, you "people" are missing out.

>>57659680

It's Kaela. Once she gets settled in Japan she'll be back to streaming. Unless they literally decide to build whatever they're planning around her. Or the JP's decide to take advantage of her being there to see her. She's

>>57659787
she is not real

>>57659755
problem?

>>57659778
That's every night

>>57659734
I'm not gay but he's definitely hot now

>>57659544
This is the first part of a set that ends with a rabbit anthro milking her futa cock and boobs while rimming her BTW.

>>57659787
IRyS just isn't sexy

>sneaking in a spaceship
kek

>>57659856
this can't be real

>>57659691

Yeah, that's her gap moe. She presents herself as a wigger rapper but in reality, she's a cute dorky tryhard who can be incredibly girly.

>>57659787
*drinks irysmilk*
*gets ripped*

[Good news]
Mori comprehends the vastness of space

>space is big
Rrat

>>57659722
Colonel we couldn't avoid drowning

>>57659787
not a huge fan of doggo's work tbdesu
I prefer picrel even

>>57659778
comfy Mori hours happen almost everyday

Loafy will try to be japanese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GimGb9d8g9Q

>>57659817
I do tune in to Mori sometimes when she plays a game I'm interested in but then I remember why I don't watch her regularly.

>>57659798
Deadbeats why is your boy like this

Shioriiiin~(?)

>>57659856
please be real

>"Hello, do you have a minute? of course you do! I'm selling girl scout cookies to help support my local troop, and I just so happen to be the PERFECT choice to purchase your cookies from, so how many boxes can I put you down for?

>>57659918
She loves with all her being

Hey, deadbeats. How's Mori been with Todd's latest space baby?

>>57659946
novelites look like THAT?

This sequel of Outer Wilds looks disappointing

>>57659787
IRyS should sit on my face desu

>>57659825
Yeah good point,
>She's
Anon?!

>>57659975
Game's pretty dull but Mori's cute

>>57659946
is this the fucking faun guy
how is he everywhere

>>57659782
:ɒ

>>57659975
She nyooming and trying to spec into a chef of all things

>>57659868
Need a bow and arrow too.

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>57659734
Damn why is this song such a banger lmao
It's like they took the musical sense of POGO, the aesthetic sense of jack stauber, and some further influences from vaporwave/retrowave and turned it into some weird little magical gem

>>57659975
She just met the Adoring Fan. He is pretty much the same as he was in Morrowind.

EARTH LOVE

Koyo...

what if mori was your daughter

https://youtu.be/hoOC3GKIFgE?t=4803 Nerissa is a scaredy cat...

>>57660083
I will teach her to be feminine

>>57659817
You lied. She is boring

>>57659975
She is RPing as a space grandma who wears the most fashionable space attire. Also that weirdo blond from Oblivion is there.

keep it on the down low but here is the latest YAB
https://ww w(.)yout ube(.)com/watch?v=WuvtwRYkOU0

>>57660099
How freaked out will Nerissa be at the dollhouse?

Koyo-chan speedrunning deaths now

>>57660123
you monster...

>>57659691
Deadbeat, why do you keep making these posts? Its kinda lame, we get it, you like your oshi, everyone likes their oshi.

>>57660001
they got him...

When an ID is cute by playing against character, you call that pag moe

>>57660140
I unironically don't think she'll make it

>>57660058
>Morrowind
you mean Oblivion?

>>57660083
Then I'd be bald, cool and good at piano playing.

Boring ass future Space exploration post apocalyptic wasteland world should not exist anymore, just stick to medieval fantasy world to explore. Or at least add giants Robot in it!

>>57659958
I'll take one non AIslop image please

jwu how was biboo's AC stream
does she love my boi rusty

>>57660053
Check the rest of the stuff on his channel.

>>57660157
even me?

>>57660172
Ope, yeah. Brainfart.

>>57660157
It's a copy-paste from a catalog thread. He makes them to bait people into shitting on her.

>>57660157
Proof that you like yours?

Kronii love!

>>57660083
I’d be the coolest motherfucker on Earth

>>57660191
she do love Rusty, she wrapped it up after completing the arena

>>57660179
Is there ever post apocalyptic medieval fantasy

>>57659798
She loves her.

>>57659946
you can really feel the autism radiating from this image

>>57660208

>>57660001

Got cut off for some reason.

Kaela is really popular with the JP members as well. So they might decide to take advantage to spend time with her.

>>57659787
this a very super sexy cute perfect beautiful nephilim succubus angel girl and everyone should worship her right now

>>57660099

>>57660168
kek

>>57660083
Incest doesn't really sound bad

>it’s an all out war

>>57659877
>>57659957
It's mostly real (the anthro part isn't true, it's the artist's OC who a demon(?) that's doing a reference to a bug's bunny meme)
>https://litter.catbox.moe/qj127n.png
>https://litter.catbox.moe/ydvzvz.png
>https://litter.catbox.moe/10719z.png
>https://litter.catbox.moe/amndih.png

>>57659691
Wrong. She's actually cool.

It's an all out war

>>57660168
wkwkwkwk

YO, /HLGG/ HOW ARE YOU DOIN?

MORI LOVE

Does Mori suck at guns or do the guns in the game just suck?

MORI LOVE

>>57660262
Dark Souls

>>57660099
>>57660278
God, that's so hot.

FIRST DEATH
also
ITS BEEN
FOUR HOURS

>Bijou's phone is over her health in Armored Core
>Mori's phone is over her health in Starfield
they are...?

>>57660191
her love for rusty is surpassed only by her love for her brain wife

>Mori's phone was right over her health bar
>Bijou's phone was right over her health bar
THEY ARE

>>57660355
She's playing with a controller.

>>57660349
holy shit it's rocky

>>57660308
>https://litter.catbox.moe/qj127n.png
that pube peek is fantastic
the rest is...not for me lmao

>>57660308
why would someone draw this and would get horny looking at this what the fuck

Man, the Bethesda ragdoll will never get old.

>>57660361
What the hell, you're right

>>57660308
T-Thanks bugs

>>57660374
It doesnt feel like it
Is this Todd's curse at work?

>her girlfriend is off fighting
>Mori is raiding the fridge
kek

>>57660355
It can be two things. though that big one she was clearly going over the top with recoil.none of the combat in these games is good so I usually just went melee to keep myself busy.

>>57660413
It's just a horsecock

Kinda want to play Starfield lads. Todd has got me again...

>>57660427
It just works

>Miku is now legal in certain states

>>57660427
>>57660459
naruhodo

>>57659691

What's going on up there?

>>57660459
The Todd Virus is contagious despite how shitty and rushed the game is

sarah is so uncool...

>>57660376
she's going to love the liberator route then

>>57660157
>Deadbeat
It's word-for-word a catalog bait thread where the intent is to lure people into shitting on her >>57655770

>>57660427
>>57660459
now kiss

>>57660509
looks like low mouse sensitivity

>>57660355
Mori's aim is pretty bad even by "playing with a controller" standards

>>57660532
She was the drummer

>>57660427
>>57660459

>>57660308
Neat.

MORI MUST KILL

How is it possible for women to enjoy playing Starfield?

Is Kiara streaming later?

>>57660562
Yeah, there is a reason she almost never plays FPS games.

>>57660588
3 HATS

I'm getting real Fallout vibes from this Starfield game

>>57660553
She's on controller.

>>57660655
Eh, too futuristic-looking

>>57660632

>>57660349
IT STINKS IN HEEEYEAHHH

>>57660632
Yes, but definitely not FF16. I had to leave before she finished supers but hotline miami 2 was at least an option she was floating.

>>57660545
default mori threads are always by a deadbeat

>>57660632
>>57660717
>>57660741
It's HM2

>>57660751
I'm not a deadbeat but I like posting default Mori

>sandwich let’s you double your jump height

The more I watch this game, the more I know that I'll never buy this.

Mori is making the stream fun though, yet Bethesda really did drop the fucking ball with this

>yum yum alien sandwich
IoMori GODS WW@?!?

Gura should do a skibidi toilet watchalong

>>57660349
I REALLY WANT TO SNIFF AND LICK AME'S ARMPITS

>>57660822
I'll wait for it to go on sale for $10 and have lots of mods to fix major issues.

>>57660797
okay deadbeat

I just did sex so hard to this samurai. She was moaning and stuff and i did sex so hard and so good with her. She was all "Please have good sex with me de gozaru" and I said back "Yeah, I'm going to really sex you so great lady" and she's like "Thanks de gozaru". It was so good and so hot and we both loved making a sex on all the positions. At the end I was all "Hey, I'm going to finish sex now" and she said "Yes, that would be nice if you finished so hard on that towel de gozaru". I said "No lmao" and I finished so hard inside her. And It was so hot.

>>57660835
:/

>>57660822
Same, it's just not fun to play

sorry beforehand, but why most hologirls are not using mouse and forced to use joystick. is it because they afraid clicking unnecessary things because the game is always on borderless mode?

>>57660860
call me a deadbeat again and see what happens

Nothing would make me happier than eating Mori's asshole

>>57660751
Maybe for /hlgg/s but for random catalogs threads? it's just the same nigger who's too lazy to save a different picture
There's a fag still posting rent-a-girlfirend edit from 2021 that Mori shit on if you wanna know the state of her antis in 2023

>>57660888
are you sure it wasnt pokobe?

>>57660895
your armpits smell good ame v_v

>>57660822
becareful anon, or bethesdrone will raid your house and kill u in sleep

>>57660926
and yet you post fauna, curious.

>>57660895
WHENEVER YOU DO 3D STREAM, PLEASE LET ME SEE YOUR ARMPITS

>>57660888
I wrote this

>>57660888
>no proof

>>57660917
they just like controller more

>>57660917
For Mori, she just grew up playing console games.

>>57660915
deadbeat bro

Goodnight!

I just touched my wiener after getting scorpion pepper hot sauce on my hands holy fucking shit this was a mistake

>>57660917
they're women

>>57660929
uhh ok deadbeat

>>57660917
Mori says and has always said she grew up on controller games and plays better with them. I don't necessarily believe that's true (barring an adjustment period) because her aim's not good regardless but that's what she believes and she's sticking to it.

>>57660982
tps maybe but starfield is fps . . it just make u navigate the game harder especially aiming

>>57661005
you fucking asked for it

>Mori is still playing after 4 and a half hours
Is starfield actually good?

>>57660917
In Mori's case? she's just a consolefag that refuses to learn KB+M

CUTE SNEEZE

But seriously where the fuck is Gura??

>>57661022
I can't find that ame pepperoncini soundposst, you know , the one that ends in the scream, but I'd imagine it's much like that.

>>57660888
Based sex doer

>>57661062
ah, so understands that controllers are for play, and keyboards are for work? smart girl.

>>57661053
Bethesda games are fun

So are there any members people legitimately forget haven't graduated?

I keep forgetting that Ina, Gura, and Ame haven't graduated because I never see them unless it's a collab these days. On the JP side it's Matsuri, Mel, Roboco, Azki, Nene, Ayame.

>>57661053
All Bethesda games are good. You should buy it so you can experience the game of the decade along with the rest of your friends.

>>57660632
Kiara is streaming Hotline Miami 2 sometime after her convention with Reine. Should be kino

>>57661090
in my ass

>>57661053
exploration yes just like fallout 4. other than that, it's garbage. no unique perks, no alien mommy,

>>57661053
I mean if you can enjoy Skyrim or Fallout, you already know what you're getting.

>>57661051
kek

>>57661051
eep

>>57661113
but bethesda games are single player anon. no we don't talke about f76.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>57661142
It doesn't seem to have gore though, and that's the best part of 3d Fallouts.

Is there gore in this geimu

>>57661111
Alzheimerchama...

GO SARAH GO

>>57661111
I thought Council was axed like HoloCN until Councilfags started getting uppity with Advent's debut

Can some joshu's tell me when Koyo got a translator at the bottom of her screen because I just noticed it

>>57661172
based

>>57661108
Ogey Aris

>>57655732
Remind me again why people care so much about Kromei when Kronii's best partner is Irys?

This is just /morig/...

THE LEGENDARY ASS PRESENT

IN THE BUTT IN THE BUTT

>IN THE BUTT IN THE BUTT

>>57661169
Well your friends will buy their own copies of course! There no way they will miss out on Bethesda's new masterpiece. You and you friends can share stories about your adventures in the universe of Starfield!

>>57661213

Not sure but I was unaware that Koyori had such a nice rack until I was watching a clip of playing HoloCure, and they popped out.

The compass fucking SUCKS in this game. Todd, what the fuck are you doing. Give us the compass bar.

>>57661111
>Ina, Gura, and Ame haven't graduated
soon

>>57661111
Ina, Gura, Ame and Kronii are the big ones for me

shotgun acquired

>>57661229
Why don't other fanbases watch Mori?

Lmao Mori that reaction
>>57661240
kek

Mori's about to open fire all over me!

https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1698183944188080444
https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1698183944188080444
https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1698183944188080444
TimeRyS bros not again...

>>57661229
Don't worry, I'm here too

>>57661229
No one else is streaming in EN

>>57661229
It has Meidos from there, that's why

>>57661229
actually, it's /inag/

>>57661285
She alienated herself from vtuber fans

DOOM BROS?!

I now realize that evenings with Ame were basically replaced by evenings with Mori

>>57661229
no way

JWU what was DEV_IS and how is Forrestfield

>>57661267
it is an incredible rack

>/hlgg/ isn’t a general
>except for the times it turns into /morig/ or /ameg/
Explain this

>>57661348
That's kinda hot somehow

>>57661229
im actually a hooman

Anya cute!

>>57661365
I think Mori should be less pink

>>57661229
Good.

just started watching mori, this is just fallout 4 wtf
where's the space?

>>57661229

NYOOOMGODS WE ARE WINNING

>>57661111
>There are more posts about Ame's watchalong than the full gen collab.
What bizarro world did you come from?

>going on a date with IRyS
when did they get so close and why is it Kronii seems to be the only one hanging out with IRyS when council goes to Japan

>>57661396
She's in a space station

>>57661229
I will post this in retaliation.

>>57661396
Can you not see the spacesuit she's wearing????????

>>57661396
outside, dummy

https://twitter.com/Taotan_cos/status/1698195671181115807

>>57661435
>thigh sweat
UWA

>>57661435
why are timerysfags so pathetic?

>>57661213
A long while ago. She's had it for actual months now, I don't remember exactly when she got it.

>>57661388
Cute Anyer.

>>57661463
yeah outer space is outside, but where is the inner space?

>>57661445
>inplying

>>57661424
This post is factually correct

>>57661396
you're also in space

just started watching mori, how sweaty are her under boobs right now?

>>57661481
Right here

SHE DID IT

>>57661307
does that mean I can openly discuss and post doxx?

>>57661506

>>57661406
nigga doesn't even read threads

>>57661507
I try not to think about it while she's streaming

>>57661435
Kronii is one of the top 3 most extroverted members of holo EN, she'll hang out with anybody
She'll kidnap a manager (twice) and take her to karaoke and be the only one to celebrate that manager's birthday, if that's what it takes to not be alone after doing your makeup and dressing nicely to head out for the day

>>57661514

>>57661507
One second bro, let me check.

>>57661514

O shit, this is also in

>>57661293
https://files.catbox.moe/p5xj2c.png
https://files.catbox.moe/gi8so6.png
d-dozo...

>>57661525
Not now Doxxbeat

>>57661525
Knock yourself out

>>57661579
>koikatsu

>>57661514
>>57661551

The president just groped Raiden's dick

>>57661435
>https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1698183944188080444

I guess they just clicked but Irys went out with Fauna as well this trip.

Chances Mori will just keep using the pistol?

>>57661615
kek

>moco-chan go in there
>moco-chan return the key to the guard
>moco-chan farm 600 gold here before heading back
>moco-chan craft your maps before using them
>moco-chan put the reduce recharge time after the add mana
>moco-chan don't grab the flag with less than 200 sanics
>moco-chan always sell to the blacksmith at 130%
>moco-chan die in the ice caves while you have ankh

>>57661584
>>57661590
ah, just like /morig/

>>57661615
damn raiden whatchu doin wit all dat ass???

>>57661609
Who killed this ina?

>>57661630
65%

>>57661435
Kronii has the initiative that men have

>>57661630
It gets kills = It's working = I don't need to change it

>>57661609

>>57661229
Based

>>57661467
This girl is cute as hell in stills, but she does a lot of tiktoks that make her look genuinely inhuman in motion. The way she dances activates that uncanny valley instinct and I had to block all videos of her.

>>57661609

>Girl texts Subaru
>She starts screaming like a fucking retard because Japanese people have no idea how to act normal when a girl invites them to do anything
Guys I don't get this culture.

Mori's feet status?

>>57661682
thievery is a crime you know

>>57661382
AMEEEE

>>57661229
Comachama...

AGGGGHHHHHHHHH TODD'S RPG IS CONTAGIOUS. IT'S MAKING ME WANT TO PLAY THIS SHITTY SPACE GAME.

Is Mori gonna nebulize again or what?

Koyori's tits popping out to say hi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NedngM9SLM

>>57661712
Cute

>>57661755
don't

>>57661712
Filthy and cheesy

>>57661712
comfortably resting on my face

Gura cute Gura cute!

>>57661721
https://youtu.be/PvvDj2fnKoQ?si=y-66FduoG9MmgWfs

>>57661776
Convince me without posting /v/'s cherrypicks

>>57661332
You barely even qualify as a person, let alone a fan, SEAschizo

>>57661706
>stills
i read this as stilts and had a lot of questions

I would be interested in this game if my games backlog wasn't over 40 games. I should stop buying games by impulse

I kinda wanna play this game but I'd rather wait for the inevitable Game Of The Year Edition with all the patches and DLC packed.

I'm not confident this NPC isn't identical to another one we saw earlier

>>57661435
>seems to be the only one hanging out with IRyS when council goes to Japan
She's not, she's just the only one who actually talks about it.

Hell yeah motherfucker.

I don't remember any part of this conversation between the president and Raiden other than the crotch grope

>>57661755
Same but picrelated
>all this for a game that barely looks better than fucking Outer Worlds

>>57661856
Same desu

I love pink retards

>>57661869
Hifumi best girl.

>>57661435
TimeRyS believers are mentally ill

>>57661869
Subaru has good tastes.

>>57661887
Shiiiieeet, guess I'll tweak it up to potato settings.

>>57661856
>I'd rather wait for the inevitable Game Of The Year Edition with all the patches and DLC packed.
This but also with several different loverslab mods installed and an ENB to remove the green filter

>>57661755
The only reason why I haven't yet is because there are no ATF mods yet

nep tune

Words words words words

jesus Ive seen better space dogfights in Colony Wars on the PS1

Any mods to fix the framerate yet? Or is that just an Xbox thing? I can't remember.

Wait she just bumped into an asteroid and it did no damage?

This space combat blows ass

Can you not crash into asteroids in this game? Do you just bounce off?

There's not a lot of JP streams considering it's a Saturday night.

This is the closest we're getting to the Mori Ace Combat experience

>>57662018
my nigga

>>57661989
Gotta be honest, modding Skyrim or Fallout to be the ultimate sex fantasy game makes me lose my libido because it's such a tiring process trying to get it all to work.

>>57662059
what do you mean by fixing the framerate?
do you think that the devs forgot to make the framerate good or something?

SHE DID IT!!!

>>57662114
you dont mod for the end result you mod for the journey of modding

>>57662073
>>57662062
shield and hull damage, mori's l2d is blocking the bottom right

PRESIDENT LOVE

>>57662153
wasnt he solidus?

>>57661887
jesas

I wanna moisturize Mori's face with my semen

>>57662114
almost exactly what happened to me
>spend 10 hours resolving conflicts and crashes
>oh boy this is gonna be incredible
>jack off once
>close game for the next 2 years

>>57661619
what'd they do

>>57662114
Are there any mods that let you fuck Holos?

>>57662172
No, Solidus was a president but he wasn't the current president

>>57662114
There's not really a worse feeling than downloading and installing like 50 different sex mods then finding out some of them are incompatible, and having to painstakingly uninstall them all and reinstall them trying to figure out the issue

>>57661435
>when did they get so close
according to past rrats they are both lesbians and were dating

>>57661755
>100$
ok wtf why is this game so expensive. it's just another bethesda skin

>>57662018
>ATF mods
Why do you want to roleplay as a fed anti?

why does gura get flak for infrequent streaming but kronii never does???

H-How does Mori's arm not get tired after holding her hand up to her face for so long?

>>57662200
this is why you always read all the documentation and install piecemeal, testing along the way

>Food fanatic
i thought anon here says she is in diet

>>57662224
It's stuck

>>57662116

It's supposed to be locked to thirty on the Xbox. Also, it's Bethesda I expect them to make and do the stupidest fucking things when it comes to their games. Like not putting NPC into one until a year has passed, and making it a big selling point at a con when they do.

>>57636224
>>57639251

MORI GAMING

>>57662272
Fucking massfags go back to 2020

HE'S GOT A STICK

The Enemy AI is kinda competent.

>>57662223
not only does Kronii stream more than Gura, she also make more attempts to communicate when she's not streaming. this can include twitters spaces but also just retweeting fanart and tweeting occasionally to show that she's alive.
If Gura did literally any of that she probably woldn't get as much shit as she does

>>57662195
>>57662114

>>57662272
>crossposting your own shitty reply
do tourists really

>>57662295
Is that place still a thing?
It's been years since I last login to Discord ...

>>57662320
Finally, a chance to repost this.

>>57662320
A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON.

>>57662224
She lifts

>>57662347
ew
dont reply to me slum creature

>>57662223
Because she streams and communicates more. Meanwhile Gura just disappears for months and comes back to say that she totally gets it now and FWMC inspired her. Before leaving again without a word.

>>57661648
It's a good thing Mococo is blessed with such a wise older sister

>>57662114
I like having sex and nude mods mainly because I just like having NPCs beg for their lives and naked dogeza.

the great wanderer is the best song on Kiara's album

>And this
>IS MY BOOMSTICK

Okay but Mori consider that you could cook him

>>57662406
Gura is cloning herself.

>>57662223
>>57662313
>>57662406
go back

>>57662261
no idea what consoles are up to, sorry
fair assumption that bethesda would fuck it up though

>Ramen is the pizza of Japan

>>57662448
Can you actually?

>>57662440
It's so fucking awesome that Evil Dead left a lasting impression on her

>>57662195

>>57662440
these watchalongs were great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeQurTw5_cQ
next stream

>ramen is the pizza of Japan

I am an Ames boy

Hey if Kronii isn't tweeting because she's having hardcore lesbian sex with Irys more power to her.

Are there any femhoomans about, I have a question.

>>57662421
>this post and fwmc tweet
Fuwawa go to bed

2am gura time, nows the time for gura's biggest fans to discuss her

>>57662195

>If Crash near the end of the stream?
D-does Mori know she's been streaming for 5 hours?

>>57662526
They should do a Twitter space while they fuck, It's only fair.

>>57662114
>>57662491
I fucking downloaded Skyrim just to fuck Ina and play with her tiny tits, but the process was so excruciating that I uninstalled everything within a few hours. Dependencies upon dependencies upon dependencies. It was awful.