/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>57486074
is this why the catalog is so bad today?

Oh? That's actually a nice move. So, I assume anything that spells "gamer" will go through HLZNTL even including corpo mandated mixed collab.
Maybe to separate their idol business and gaming business?

>>57486074
If they only do same-gender collabs like their initial Valorant one, then I can permit it.

>>57486074
is this their attempt to get vspo audience

>>57487210
they'd need to get talents with basic fps competency for that.

>>57486074
bad move, esports is pretty much irrelevant in the english scenario (it didnt use to be like that before but it is now), its more a thing at asia (china and kr mostly) and spanish speaking countries.

Not even twittard and ledditard liked this idea

Is this just to make it easier for company's to sponsor streams?
Recently Twitch and even a 3rd party site are starting to want to take a piece of the sponsored stream pie since they pay out so much.

>>57486074
When will i get my live x stars AOE II tournament?

>>57487711
Asian think otherwise tho. In kr, jp, cn, sea (basically east + se asia)they like competitive gaming scene. And in south, central and north also middle east and africa still have a growing competitive gaming scene. I guess westards doesn't like to play games competitively

>>57488387
Nah the JP fans are actually complaining more about this than the Western ones this time.
I think the Overwatch thing being so fucking dogshit really soured them.

>>57488387
no asians didn't think otherwise, your taking mediocre at best girls and forcing them to play in a competitive scene which just leads to them getting completely destroyed, nobody with brain cells wants that. Not westerners and not asians either.

>>57486074
>make monies from female vtuber idols
>pour said monies into projects no one asked for rather than upgrading your golden goose to a diamond goose
why...?

The problem with it is that the girls who WANTED to do boring esports bullshit already did them just fine. Now that there are bigger sponsorships on the line they're dragging members who aren't actually interested in esports into it.

>>57486074
>release group about men and women doing things together
>call it "Horizontal"

The worst part is that if the rumors are true the holo dev_is thing is gonna be a fps gen. Even if they are separated like holostars they will be make the idol fans uncomfortable. They will be essentially vspo fps offpako whores in holopro. If any holomem gets close to one of those weird rumors will start going around. Imagine having 5 latowatsuris who are also 10 times stronger as cover are gonna be pushing them madly.
I seriously hope it’s not a new gen.

>>57486074
>Esport?
So valorant and apex?
Outside of tournament, did holo management even see how this 2 games views numbers are? i bet this is their way to help homos

>>57486074
Who ever came up with this cancer of an idea is gonna get fired.

>>57486074
>they delete any criticism on twitter based on their own guidelines
lemao its fucking over
omega won

>>57489025
Is this how you’re supposed to do it?

>>57488715
Its just usual Cover retardation at work again.

>>57489207
>latowatsuris
holy why do i feel turned on just reading that, i don't even like fps

>>57486074
Sounds like they're trying to spread the sponsorship money around to Stars too. Fair enough, must be rough watching your colleagues making 10x of what you do.

>>57488387
The JP are thrashing the thing harder than anyone anon.

>>57486074
Reads like a middle school kid put their essay through a thesarus to make it sound cool. I don't know the meaning of wtf I just read.

>>57489976
And you know the shitty thing is that they are going to hide behind the girls and expect them to make this crap work.

>>57488715
Regular streaming revenue by itself plateaued a long while ago, but their corporate goal was never to be a streaming company exclusively. While you can argue that e-sports is not the best bet for expansion, you must expect that they will continue to seek ways to expand beyond a capped source of side-revenue.

>>57490110
The *chinks falseflaging

>>57487210
they could just pay for bots then

>>57486074
So this is why Holoplus got released? So they can't get thrashed about shit ideas?

>>57487210
why would they make a branch for bots to watch

>>57490910
Yup, looks like they are banning people for shitting on the idea.

>>57487143
No one gives a shit what you "permit" retard. You're nobody

>>57490618
You're not fooling anyone, sister.

>>57486074
That means more male x female collabs like the Overwatch thing right?
Shit idea if true

>>57491245
Not even that, it seems they want to esports audience

Waste of time. It just seems like a last push to promote holostars under the guise of this whole esports bullshit, they just wanna shove them into more things with the holo girls for promoting them while minimizing backlash. The problem being that they're still gonna get backlash because they're actively sabotaging the hololive girls for this shit and taking time away from their normal streams and personal projects while also inviting the shitty esports fans that don't care about vtubers in any way at all.

Also please keep in mind that Cover is a company full of retards and that yagoo doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, he's been winging it since forever. They got lucky hololive took off the way it did, it was literal luckshittery. You can like the girls but still criticize Cover itself, the girls sure do, so it's ok to call them names and point out how they love to waste time and money on useless shit.

I have no interest in watching esports even if it's all female members

>>57491388
This will end so bad, but there is hope that this shit is quick canned with the huge backlash there is going on.
The esport audience is even more incompatible with hololive than the stars audience, and look how bad it is.

>>57486074
This is the most pozzed business nuspeak I've seen in a while.

>>57486914
It's unironically bad for those who want "gaming" considering all the good games are locked behind perms autism. So at this point they're just asking third parties to cover for them with those perms hence "external"
>See Vaultroom and Crazy Raccoon who secured FiveM perms for everybody in Holo.
My guess is they're attempting to do this for EN as well

>>57491567
Honnestly between that and the shitty MV they released before, can management just go back being, management and stop trying to make project? they clearly are bad at it, very bad even.

>>57491567
After all this time you would think they learned a few things but I guess not. It always ends up being the talents who salvage whatever retarded shit Cover puts out and ends up saving their ass in the process.

>>57486074

>>57486074
I will NOT eat ze HLZNTL

>>57486074
HOLY FUCK YOU RETARDS
90% OF YOUR TALENTS CAN'T PLAY VIDEO GAMES
START DOING MORE ENTERTAINMENT SHIT GAMES SHOWS TALK SHOWS ANIMATED SHORTS MORE CONCERTS LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE
GURA WATCHING PAIN DRY WILL DRAW MORE VIEWERS

Correct me if im wrong but I remember when they first annouced this HLZNTL shit they said that the entire point was to introduce competitive games to viewers that are newcomers, nothing was said about esport. They pretty much did a bait and switch

>>57486074
Who let Pixy into Cover's office?

>>57490102
That's actually pretty nice. A good number of the Stars would do well with sponsorship money.

>>57486074
Yagoo desperately wants to be NijiJP and VSPO and now he's trying to court the e-sports fans.
They made Blue Journey recently in an attempt to get the mainstream Japanese interested in their music but that failed and it led to them plastering the Holos all over it anyways to save the project.
Honestly, management is really fucking dogshit at pitching/executing ideas. They should just use the ideas of their talents as a starting point and build off that because goddamn their ideas team fucking sucks.
Give the girls some creative control as well because otherwise you end up with the shitshow that UMISEA is (EN fans honestly got really pissed and started disconnecting from the idea because they kept sidelining Gura/Ina).

>>57492592
Thinking they would get sponsorships with their numbers if they didn't include Hololive talents in these events. Even Raid: Shadow Legends demands specific views targets.

>>57486074
lame

>>57492982
If you actually watch content creators, 3 view is more than good enough for those kinds of sponsorships. Astel pulls in 4 view numbers when he's playing FPS. If you look at sponsored FG players, a lot of those are barely even 3 view.

>>57486074
hololive alternative died for THIS???

>>57486074
The main issue for me personally isn't even about the males collabing with the girls, it's the team balancing. Reminder that practically nobody was mad when Astel played together with Choco and Roboco (ARC) in VSaikyou, but lots of people were mad when Marine curbstomped every other Holomembers in Puyo Puyo Tetris.
It's just not fun to watch a total curbstomp, and unfortunately this issue stacked when the one who's doing the curbstomp are the Stars.

>>57489807
this nigger keep saying watame is his oshi when not even once i seen watame clips from him and never seen him in her chat either when i'm still watching her semi regularly
"too many hololive clippers" isn't a good excuse when watame doesn't get that many clips outside of cheap speedclips ones like sushi clips

>>57492186
As bad as the talents are at video games, their acting skills are worse. The EN voicing of graffiti is abysmal.

>>57489807
>Oboretai
Is that the guy that even the HoloReddit hates for trying to shoehorn Holostars in every posts?

>>57486074
my wife was fixing me, this just refueled my hatred for humanity :D
fucking homobeggars

>>57493333
Yes the girls getting curbstomped is surely going to be good for their moral, especially the ones that dont even touch these type of games.

>>57493810
The worst part is that management kept reassuring them that the OW2 sponsor was supposed to be just for fun, laid back and beginner friendly. Then they got their shit stomped in a no-fun manner.
Half the girls didn't even want to be in that sponsorship (homos aside, OW2 is a really terrible game) so being made to look like a retard on top of that probably wasn't good.

>>57486074
"This project is a project to create and develop various projects." projectception?

>>57494138
Fucking retards trying to enter the competitive scene with a bunch of woman who cry and get dejected over losing at a mario kart tournament and that shit is just held for fun.

This just seems like a way to fish for big sponsors whenever they do some random event involving a lot of girls. And I guess the stars can get a few crumbs also

>>57494138
>>57494753
>Forced
You niggas still run with that narrative?
Do you know how MASSIVE the opportunity to have Microsoft connection is, especially for the BS permission issue?

>>57487143
Microsoft, Epic, Riot, Bethesda, they don't give a shit about your unicuck feelings

>>57486074
I'm gonna be honest, I don't really give a shit, as long as they don't involve girls who don't wanna do it, I'm fine with that. I wouldn't want someone like Kanata participate in this crap, but if its usual girls who collab with guys(Fubuki, Suisei, Towa, Matsuri, whoever else) it doesn't really matter.
I don't think it's a good idea though, for it to be a good idea they have to hire girls who are actually good at games, instead of trying to force it on those who are extremely crappy at them(e.g. OW2 collab, Irys, Lui and idk if Chloe any good)

>>57486074
I'm excited to get horizontal with your oshi

>>57491099
Anon I'm fucking telling you it's a new thing they use and push "BUT JAPS DONT HATE IT, ITS ONLY EN INCELS", it wasn't so rampant before as it is right now

>>57494880
It is forced, in a way. Shareholders will alaways expect company growth and more projects is one way to impress them.
It's also part of the reason why in Mio's tarot reading, Sora said something along the line of "I'm conflicted about my goals and kinda don't like about where Hololive's direction in general is heading"

>>57494880
So massive that multiple girls said that they initially refused but were "convinced" by management to do it.

>>57495212
Beggars will attached themselves to whatever garbage project Cover does that involve the homos even if it reeks of black company shit.

>>57494138
>the OW2 sponsor was supposed to be just for fun, laid back and beginner friendly. Then they got their shit stomped in a no-fun manner
if that was the supposed game plan for the sponsorship, they could've gotten better people to pick
how the fuck is that supposed to be portraying the game to be noob-friendly when the supposed noobs kept getting shit kicked in?
it won't matter how many times the noobs are told to "git gud" if has that toxic environment

>>57494880
thjey guilty trip the girls into that shit using what you just said

>>57488715
The JPnikis had it right when they said this project seems like the result of a corporate spy

>>57494912
>Nobody care about unity cuck
True.

>>57486074
This project was stillborn, I think it's the first time that everyone agrees that it's bullshit

>>57494880
if its basedny i'd agree but microkek? okay i'm legitimately curious what are the benefits perm wise? microsoft fucked up their japan market long time ago there might be more people owns perfectly functioning pc88 than xbox360 there

>>57488387
i'm Asian and you are a retard

>>57492982
Do you think Stars never get sponsorships or something? Because they absolutely do.

>>57495458
The most likely scenario is that every other Holo refused to participate for one reason or another.
I mean just look at the roster, Chloe, Lui, and fucking IRyS? Really? That's the best you could do?
The actual point of the sponsorship was to introduce potential new players to OW2 and that even newbies could have fun.

>>57494912
If they want more people to watch, they will avoid the putting the stars with girls. The stars are demonstrably a liability in terms of viewers watching hololive events. This is a fact and was proved yet again by this tornament, despite your feelings homobeggar.

>>57492767
>They should just use the ideas of their talents as a starting point and build off that because goddamn their ideas team fucking sucks.
Any Marine's 3d concert has 10 times more soul than anything cover ever produced, so I agree.

>>57486074
>This project is a project

Honestly, seems like a shitty way to keep the Holostars branch afloat. If the past couple streams meant to market this idea are any indication, it's the girls side are really not up to snuff to meet the demands of the esport scene. On top of that, they expect the girls to perform in more concerts now since that's the main money maker. Forcing the girls to not only do constant concert prep, but also keeping practice for esports money just to keep a branch that's constantly in the negatives afloat is going to cause a lot of burnout. If Cover genuinely wanted in on the esports money, they'd have recruited for talent that could focus on being esports competitors rather than putting an even bigger workload on your music talent. Of course, Hololive Gamers end up having to perform in idol concerts, and the vsingers they brought in to specifically focus on being singers are constantly expected to do gaming content, so I'm not sure if the workload issue would change as a possible recruited esports team would also end up being expected to moonlight as idols and perform at concerts.

Cover should really just bite the bullet and accept that the males just aren't gonna be watched; Anycolor captured that market ages ago, and short of Nijisanji straight up shutting shop, Holostars will never match the ccv's of Niji's male talents, let alone that of the Hololive girls. Cover's new investors gotta realize that the company folks a very successful niche already in the form of CGDCT. Fans dump utterly obscene amounts of money into that niche and it's why Cover is as big as it is now. Trying to over-extend and chase the mythical beast of "broad appeal" will, like most corporations, be its death knell.

>>57495850
Anything the girls do by themselves has 10 times more soul than this garbage. Now the yearly Mario Kart tournament is in danger of being under this horizontal garbage because Cover wants to control any and all game tournaments the girls do because "muh sponsors".

>>57495807
Delusional. Their biggest "sponsor" is hololive who built the massive company that funds them.

>>57495458
The irony is that the usual suspect homocollabers also play more fps than the unsullied chuubas and they could have fielded a whole team with them.

>>57495822
Yet the most watched English language vtuber collabs with male vtubers all the time, including Magni.

https://youtu.be/FVnQOJawcIg

>>57495403
>Tarot meme magic
Hololive was cursed the moment they go public. That 20 million studio is monkey's paw (remember Yagoo sold HIS own share to fund it, which weaken his position in the company).
It is laughably sad when /vt/ did not realize this at that time and instead boasting and shitting everyone else.

>>57495611
If Sony cared at all about Vtubers, meaning any sort of interest in letting vtubers shill the games which they invested in for their platform, they would have done more with VEE.

>>57496246
Doesn’t refute my point at all. You do have options if you want that slop obviously.

I swear half of the people complaining about the girls getting rolled didn't even watch the thing. You guys are acting like they were on the verge of tears.

>>57496316
Yagoo is the single biggest reason for the homos existence so maybe him losing power within the company is a good thing if it increases the chances of that failure of a branch to get axed.

>>57496608
The girls really don't give a fuck.
They know they're losing, and knowing well that they're losing while the men are fucking around flailing for views. I think both Hololive and Holostar member knew it was a bitter pill to swallow for Blizzard money and Microsoft connection.
The only real winner here is Blizzard, who got 10x viewcount than their usual OW2 shill streams.

>>57486074
Ah yes, holizontal. Ret's put on some Blue Crapper while we watch Holizontal. Which was clearly intended to be like "horizon" to sound cool as if they're looking out way head, but just means "flat."

And somehow a company with a bunch of actual native English speakers they can bug anytime for whatever, a company with A-chan herself speaking decent English, missed it. In late 2023.

>>57496031
To be fair, hololive GAMERS aren't exactly what we should look at. They are gamers, but they aren't good at games. They just advertised as those who enjoy games a lot and has a lot of experience. I concur that if they want to dabble into competitive type of games, they should straight up release a new gen focused on that, and after that if they want to keep thing going they should release atleast 1-2 chuubas who are into that every gen.

>>57496697
Yagoo fucking off would make Cover worse, anon.
Nigger shareholders already thinking about submitting to zhang and make your oshi hostess in investor private meeting.

>>57496608
It's not that, it's that no one wants to see their oshi getting constantly rolled and their only victory is when the opposition blatantly jobs for them. People will tune out big time if this what is expected from hlzntl, and I can only imagine this is just added stress on top of having to perform in more concerts and maintain their typical streams.

>>57496940
It is a pun anon. Japanese love terrible puns
So no, I don't think it was katakana typo
It was always intended to be Holi-zontal, the word Holi itself is a twist of Holo.
Still terrible, but not the way you think it was.

>>57496973
So it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation, but keeping Yagoo isn't looking very hot right now when Cover is doing everything they can to shove the homos literally everywhere they can independent of the opinions of the core audience who clearly doesn't give a smidge of a fuck about them and would rather not watch a second of them.

>>57496697
Nah, it's a monkey paw kind of thing, sure he is not letting our girls be tainted(not on official level atleast), but it comes with his absolute love and favouritism towards homostars

>>57497309
Cover/Yagoo are in a bad position regarding the Stars.
StarsEN has -30% YoY sub growth (their main success indicator they show to investors) and StarsJP were called failures straight to Yagoo's face (regarding gaining more female viewers) when he was interviewed by a business journalist recently.

>>57496246
Nobody care about ironlung idiot, only twitch fag.

>>57486074
>Holizontal
making fun of asians is NOT okay, anon!

>>57497309
And that's why I said Yagoo losing power is a bad thing. A total refutal to your argument.
At least he had dignity to split the homos. I don't know if he truly want Niji experience, but he honestly like the boys.
I mean, as a homobeggar I could only think it is better for *my* interest, but I'm just a small fish dono. And Cover's core wallet are fucking seething. That is objectively bad for the company's future.

if they want to do something like this i don't know why they don't just start gamers gen 2 and roster girls that exclusively stream fps

>>57488387
Competitive gaming is gay and for 3rd worlders just like soccer.

I love it because
1) It's for JP mostly, if not solely, but Unicorns still seethe at EN girls
2) It basically spits in unicorn logic of "my money matters to my oshi"

>>57497454
I don't know what kind of taint Yagoo is protecting the girls from but it's starting to look extremely obvious that he's more than willing to use them as stepping stones for his male failures.

>>57497581
And shoving them on these kinds of events will not help them. Roberu is fucking there showing everyone the recipe to incline in this cursed branch but Cover REALLY wants to make the HoloPro dream into a reality for some reason.

>>57488297
Yeah, I don't get what's the big deal. Until there is any non-sponsored, non-event collab with e-celebs, I'm not going to hastily shit on this.
If all this is going to bring are just occasional sponsored and possibly mixed-gender tournaments like that OW2 stream, so be it. Not really an issue

>>57496697
Nope like othe anon said it's monkey pawn. Despide him being far too suportive of the homo for anyone good he is still clearly better than a bunch of suit who don't know a shit about a shit outside SELLL and BUUUYYYY. Selling share was the worst thing ever.

All I see is VSPOfags and Nijifags shaking in their boots and are trying their hardest to falseflag as 'hardcore Hololive fans' to stop this from happening. Korone and Botan stole Kuzuha's spotlight in the SF6 tournament pretty hard, even though he won, no one cares about him and his team, that must have hurt.

>>57498328
You misunderstood, even the Holofags aren't united on this precisely because of people like Botan. Only retards thinks all donos and merch buyers are unicorns.
Iryskek and Luifans are the one getting mad. Look at Lui's huge drop in CCV.

>>57496975
Its more that the idea behind gamers is that they were supposed to be the gaming-centric generation. An idea that seems rather moot when they're currently expected to participate in a many concerts as the other gens. That's why I also mention the vsingers. Irys was signed on as a vsinger, her main focus supposedly singing, but they got her doing some esports shit because why exactly? Cover can't expect all of their talents to be jack-of-all-trades that can do anything and everything. Trying to force that on everyone won't end well

>>57498328
Did they also tank the CCV vs the all girls tournaments? Pretty powerful if true. Can't you understand that fans of the girls don't want to see them with the stars?

>>57497823
They won't collab with your boys unless you pay them extra and even then they won't talk to them. Grim for you homobeggars.

>>57498328
>defending garbage corpo bullshit
You beggars truly try the hardest to defend anything that involves your male failures even if it's the most soulless shit ever. Why have standards when "your bois" are getting a crumb of the spotlight, amirite?

>>57498887
Good, i prefer it if Gura and Fauna stay a million miles away from the nearest cock. Just means its more hilarious when girls like Lui and IRyS are going to get on all fours because they need the paycheck

you fags just keep on complaining, but im sure whatever they're trying to do with this there's a good outcome for it in the end. i belieb.

>>57498328
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-QXX4sHSo
quit holoseething and take the L

>>57499179
This video reminds me i need more Mito and Sora collabs. She's probably the only girl that doesn't treat Sora like a delicate flower (AZKi is starting to as well though)

>>57498602
I think girls should decide themselves what they should do, if GAMERS want to do more concerts, that's fine, if vsinger wants to play more games that's fine too, some people can't keep the same passion over the years so they have to switch things up. But if cover gonna push things down their throat and increase workload, I can see a lot of hiatuses in the future, or in general worse stream quality. I hope girls are just realize how important they are and put their foot down on things and not just accept whatever management throws at them(if that's a possibility ofcourse)

>>57497833
Anon, drink some tea, have a break, don't let rage blind you.
There is more to the world than just homo collabs, especially when the investors were trying to have the holos doxxed and bring back CN
I'd rather take Yagoo being the fool who wants everyone to succeed than some other corporate.

>>57499162
It took a year of disasters before they reversed course in EN. JP bros complaining before this goes too far is a good thing, assuming this is designed to push stars by mingling them with the girls like they tried in EN.

>>57499632
JP holos are more mingled with Holostars than EN holos, what
How many girls were guests to Roberu's bar?

>>57496697
I rather Yagoo stay & keep the homos, rather than a bunch of beancounter suit take over.
if you aren't schizos, they still keep the homos in their lane & never stray away from their ideal (supporting underperforming talent).
You wouldn't want Yagoo to fuck off or being in a weak position in the company, trust me.
also this>>57496973

Dogshit idea
Fuck esports
Fuck homocollabs

>>57500294
>they still keep the homos in their lane
And that's not fucking happening with bullshit like this and the NY concert.

>>57499569
That's a fair sentiment. If this is something the talents themselves wanna partake in and devote the time for, by all means, as long as they are aware of their limitations and don't take on too much of a burden. Ideally, competent managers assist in that and make sure their talents aren't biting off more than they can chew, but I fear the urge to appease investors and potential sponsors is too great

>>57493566
The JPs aren't better for the most part. It turns out that acting is a skill set afterall, which explains why hololives getting voice work is actually so ridiculously rare.

>>57491567
The reason Hololive is the way it is today is their fan have no qualm shitting on management on behalf of the talents. If management were to get away with it once, they would do it again, so the pushback is much needed.

>>57490341
They have the entire idol industry to conquer. Why are they wasting time on unprofitable eSports.

>>57500869
That is something that never happened. The only time fans pushed against management was during the zhang vs. Coco arc.

>>57500165
There are a lot more JP girls vs EN especially pre-advent EN. JP has early gens that never moved away from that bolstering the number.

>>57497833
>Roberu is fucking there showing everyone the recipe to incline in this cursed branch
unfortunately most stars either shot themselves in the foot or stay too much in their own comfort zone to be able to properly incline, and some who actually tried before ended up more or less on the same place viewer-wise
even after the merch standardization there isn't just any drive to them at all, at some point investors will definitely urge cover to just close the branch because hololive is way more beneficial in the long run than forcing the stars into it

>>57501580
What does Roberu do differently, i never watch stars so idk

>>57501580
Holostars still earn money and the resources going to them don't actually have a better place to go right now. Like this Holizontal shit, Cover wants to cover their bases because Hololive itself is more or less at market cap

>>57495403
>Sora said something along the line of "I'm conflicted about my goals and kinda don't like about where Hololive's direction in general is heading"

god,this is kind of scary to hear coming from the OG, i wonder what a-chan has been thinking too. do you have a link to this stream?

>>57497833
Imagine being so obsessed with cocks & homos that you would rather suits take over if that means they axed homos.
you don't care about the girl's well-being at all.
the suits will just run the girls into the ground & suck the soul out of them.
>>57496316
fucking this,I dont understand why people bragging & happy about this when they lack of human resource to maintain the studio + doesn't solve holos 3D lives scheduling.
well, then again, people forget Cover are a tech company at heart. I see this many times when tech company tried ''dabbling'' into entertainment realm it always ends up failures or no direction/vision.
Cover really need to hire someone who are well-versed in entertainment to handle their chuubas & also setting the direction for the company.

>>57487527
This,Esports in the west took a huge plunge due to COVID and never really got back to the same level.
>OWL dead
>alot of fps tournaments have had dwindling attendence
>EVO has to fight every year not to get cancelled due to poor attendence

But ironically, post covid was around the time Esports in japan blew up, thanks to valorant and apex getting huge over there in 2020

>>57501677
he disconnects himself from the stars and basically does external collabs, on top of being a natural on zatsus
if what he did is done by someone on en they are most definitely going to trashed /here/ though

>>57486074
Do you understand the super chat money is going for shit like this? if you really want to stop that you have to stop paying for it

>>57501580
I don't really know anything about stars really, if I had to guess Roberu does more of a talkshow streams rather than pure gaming like other homos? I think it's cool, but saying "look at Roberu", not everyone can be Roberu, and certainly 8 Roberus instead of one wouldn't improve situation by a lot. He probably gets more viewers because he is an exception of homos

>>57498602
>Its more that the idea behind gamers is that they were supposed to be the gaming-centric generation.
No, idiot. Gamers was released with the idea of allowing them to participate in E-sports tournaments and be competitive. Even fucking Mio has mentioned it, but at some point, they discard that idea and simply blend them in with the other members.

>>57501882
>Hololive itself is more or less at market cap
Motherfucker just take a look at the latest financial report and how the company is always hitting new heights. This soulless esports garbage won't fucking help them in the slightest, especially if they they're that dedicated in shoving the homos on every event.

>>57501961
>you don't care about the girl's well-being at all.
I would rather not watch them being used as obvious stepping stones for the homos while you beggars jerk off and polish Yagoos asshole harder than the Nijinigger do with Riku.

>>57501882
>Hololive itself is more or less at market cap
people are surely acting like it isn't, both here and other places
hololive might have had a grip on the female idol side but people seem to be less interested in cover expanding and would rather focus more on what makes hololive unique in the first place, which is honestly understandable because complacency can lead to downfall

>>57501961
>Cover really need to hire someone who are well-versed in entertainment to handle their chuubas & also setting the direction for the company.
Some genki extraverted woman, who enjoys doing unusual stuff responsible for organising and thinking of ideas would be nice.

>>57502004
Or even look at Dota the international prize pools, it was 40 something millions and then suddenly 18 millions next year or whatever. Less days on mainstage too.
I don't know hows CSGO doing though, I think it's still going strong right?

>>57502032
I think a lot of people had high hopes that Vesper was going to be a Roberu of EN because he could zatsu well, but he let his bitterness get the better of him and it bled through in his actions, especially after his 1st suspension and before his graduation

>>57486074
I wish to every male who collabs with holomems to get the same fate of that fag who did a collab with Korone and died of a heart attack or something <3

>>57503025
DotA took a nose dive because GabeN is trying to throttle it. He's done everything he can to cheap out on venues, events, seasonals, etc. Hell, you could go to TI for 300~ a ticket, now its 700+ just for the last 3 days

>>57503025
CS GO is the soccer of Esports, not as big as fortnite and COD in NA but everywhere else it remains the biggest esport scene of any game. Especially in europe

>>57486074
It can be done properly like the Valorant tournament. Was surprised the Pokemon Unite tournament wasn't as onesided but it was managed badly. You also learn here that team balancing isn't based on anything besides volunteer which could explain the latest competition.
Overwatch was just ridiculous. Even if you have Botan and Towa on board, the result was very expected. They probably had this planned for awhile but if they planned this after it was put out there how hated OW was (specifically shown by steam), they're consistently retarded

>>57502265
I know Mio is a bit of an esports person, but I don't even think I've seen Korone play what anyone would consider an esports title, at least not regularly enough to associate her with that. I always just thought she was brought on as a retro gamer. That said, if it's true Gamers was meant to be an esports generation, the hlzntl thing is already doomed considering they can't even get all of the Gamer generation that was supposedly meant to for esports in the first place on board with this, and trying to tie the Stars in with it only puts the nail in the coffin early

>>57486074
The funniest to me is sisters saying that the JPs don't care and only EN unicorns are angry when both sides despise this project, the only ones who might like it is homobeggars and fps fags(if they don't care about a giant gap in skill between teams)

>>57497833
Roberu hasnt done shit

>>57504128
Gamer gen was originally just Fubuki and Mio. Okayu and Korone was added later. With Korone the last addition. And yes horizontal is just a rehashed gamer project that did not work before but even more soulless given that they are assigning their Vsinger to do eSports.

>>57504128
What the hell? Since when was Mio an esports person? At least Korone participated in SF6 with pros for a tournament and improved at the game beyond expectation.
I haven't seen Mio, Fubuki or Okayu do anything as impressive as Korone playing JP with Classic controls in SF6 surprisingly well

>>57488387
fucking bug

>>57501931
Here, timestamped to Sora's part
But if I'm to be fairly optimistic, I say it's just that :
- Hololive is trying to expand into gaming
- Sora will be missing out on most of it. She felt obliged to try on playing these FPS games but just can't because she suffers from motion sickness.
And that's the reason why she felt conflicted
https://youtu.be/77ft8GAGq2w?t=2884

>>57504773
gaming is a lot more than fps, here's hoping sora finds fun in some of them.

>>57496697
>so maybe him losing power within the company is a good thing
yeah and you'll get someone even worse... you fucking retard

>>57504600
Mio is not an eSports person. What happened was that Mio was ask about her hobbies in the interview and her response was she like to play games. Some executive then thought of marketing her as a gamer and then put Mio and Fubuki into a unit with plans to try and get them into some competitive tournament. Maybe the same exact executive that is pushing this horizontal project now.

>>57496697
I'm sorry would you prefer some sus shareholder just make the girls do lewd things on the internet to get those funds from lonely little shits like you? You won't get any idol shit if that happens and it'll end up the very thing you hate the most. Yagoo has singlehandedly kept the idol dream alive and removing him now would be a death sentence on Hololive in general.

>>57504128
Gamers really got their knees taken out from under them by the perms shit. Korone playing obscure retro games and Rareware titles was peak.

>>57486074
It's true they deleted twitters about it? I even thought about downloading their app but no way I'll do it since they are so bitch about any criticism, they literally want only yes men

>>57488588
what OW thing

>>57496697
you care about axing an irrelevant branch when there are other things you should be worry about

>>57501882
>Hololive itself is more or less at market cap
was this revealed in your drunken stupor anon
don't backpedal and say hololive keeps expanding if jp 7 happens and their debut ccv reaches new absurd numbers

>>57505415
Yagoo also hired Omega and let him almost completely crash the EN branch by debuting 8 unwanted faggots instead of EN3 so it's not like he's very competent at his job.

>>57505081
Sorry, I meant E-Sports as obviously seen by the last two HLZNTL events. Sora had motion sickness playing Only Up, let alone trying to play actual shooting FPS.

>>57505081
Well it's gonna be harder for them to stand on something other than fps, KoG and FaV gaming just announced audition for their own fighting game focused female vtuber agency.

https://www.famitsu.com/news/202309/01315063.html
(even got umehara on the damn PR vid)

For those who don't remember kog he's the guy who coached botan during the CR SF6 tournament.

>>57505934
Nah, all i see is a brainless idiot who doesn't know what they're doing. If Hololive goes under when Yagoo loses his position of power? You'll soon see the very 1% shitposts being used against you since most of these IPO stockholders have the zhang mentality

>>57505893
JP Gen 7 (aka DEV_IS) will be VTubers who also reveal their iIRL identity like Kson, their objective is to both become Virtual Idol and Real Idol

I struggle to understand who will be pleased with this project besides the bean counters up top. The Hologirls' fans don't like it because they only get to see their oshi getting curbstomped and also getting less streams due to this event. The Holostars fans don't like it because this just invite unwanted attention on them. Everyone from JP to EN are bitching on Twitter about how unbalanced the whole OW tournament was. Not to mention, some of the girls manager have to beg them to join as show pandas to fill the seat. Someone up to has to ask themselves if it's worth sacrificing their talents' time and effort just to look good for one financial quarter.

>>57506191
So, again, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. You either accept Yagoo slowly forcing all the girls to allow the male failures to leech off their success or risk giving the company to investors that will most likely nuke their branch but might go full zhang mentality.

>>57506227
Imagine kek
I wouldn't consider them hololive desu

>>57506416
the former is unironically the lesser evil, you're just schizophrenic to believe the company's going under when they've been getting dubs left and right, you're so tunnel visioned by male cock that you forgot about the achievements the girls have without male collaborators. Comparing these two scenarios is fucking stupid.

There's a vtuber company with many legit e-sport players, e-sport teams, and seamless integration between all of its members and they have a ton of them enough to run many different games.
Hololive's audience is for the most part not interested in games too much and specially not interested in e-sports and this goes for the girls as well, few actually give a fuck about e-sports.
E-sports are actually counter productive to the chill cute girl idol vibe that actually best represents Hololive as a whole.
And of course girls only is one of the pillars that makes the company what it is now.
So this is a very tone deaf move that totally ignores their market value, their audience and the kind of content creators they have.
It best it will be a minor nuisance but at worst it can just blow up in their faces, perhaps it will just be a slow burn, hurting the views and performance of many members a little over time.
Who knows.
But to think anything productive will come out of this is just laughable businessman logic, the expectation that if they put money somewhere and market it and push it then it's guaranteed to work out, ignoring the content and the audience entirely.
I expect this to be a big lose-lose-lose for everyone, the girls will do worse, Cover will do worse and the fans will be stuck with the shit show going on. I guess this really signals the beginning of Hololive's era under stockholders.
Quickly proving a failure and being scrapped is the best thing that could happen for everyone involved.

>>57506416
alright nijifuck, how much has anycolor being paying you to falseflag?

I moved to hololive and YouTube to AVOID the twitch esports garbage.

What the fuck are Cover doing to my CGDCT?

>>57506619
the twitter account has less than 4k followers in 18 hours
i expect 1-2 tourneys between the girls for games like splatoon and then for cover to sweep this project under the rug
nobody in their current audience base asked for this

Why every vtuber corp kill themselves?

All i wanna say is...
They'll never achieve true kino like VCR has. They should fuck off and stay in their lane.

>>57506567
>unironically the lesser evil
It sure is the lesser evil when your male failures are getting everything on the silver platter while they do fuck all and can only bring enough to keep branch afloat. Also keep bringing up male genitalia completely unprovoked, I'm sure that will make your arguments stronger. It did wonders when you tried to convince everyone that dumb and dumber were going to come back from their "hiatus" a month ago.

>>57486074
How can nijiniggers handle loving the chuubas but hating the company and wanting it to burn to the ground at the same time?
All this shit is burning me off hololive fast, I won't give up entirely because hololive is important to me, but maybe I'll take a time off like I did when Rushia got terminated

>>57504600
>>57505275
I'll be honest, I was looking at the vod history, and I think I fucked up Mio with Roboco in my brain because I coulda swore I saw Mio in shit like apex, but her vod history does not mesh with my mental memory, but Roboco's does. I must have had a fucking stroke recently because I've been fucking awful lately with this shit

This may be the single most tone-deaf development in all of Cover's history. The sole sliver of saving grace was IRyS wanting the girls kept separate from the males. The talents need to continue speaking up, because Cover sure as hell isn't listening to the fans.

>>57506416
i'm struggling trying to figure out what is his (?) intention
leeching from the girls in a 160k++ ccv new year stream didn't boost their ccv despite the homos who appeared there are great singers it will never work ever
trying to become more advertiser friendly is so stupid because it doesn't fucking matter if the girls are idols or semen slurper types when its mostly shilling latest gachashit and triple a kusoges

>>57495464
this

>>57486074
this happens to every company that becomes publicly traded every time without fail
exposing anything to the neo-judaism of the stock market results in said thing becoming corrupted by greed no matter how pure it was beforehand

>>57507794
When Gamers debut with Fubuki and Mio they were marketed as extremely good with PUBG and Splatoon. This was also when Hololive only did zatsudan/karaoke/ASMR streams, so gamers were a pretty novel idea (for Hololive at least). I think the 6 months gap between Mio and Okayu was due to the fact that they couldn't find anyone willing to join, and as the meta shifted to Vtubers streaming games content, Yagoo just decided to roll with FubuMioOkaKoro and call it a day.
Pre-2021 Hololive did participate in cross-companies tournament though. They send a team of Fubuki-Mio-Ayame-Pekora to a Fall Guys tourney, but they ended in last place I think. That's the last time Cover as a whole joined a tournament, at least until recently. So I'd say the e-Sports dream has always been there, but they still don't have the personnel for it.

>>57507094
Have to jump to the newer ones. I suggest checking Pixel Link. Fresh start.

>>57487143
Thank god we have your dumbass here to make sure things are up to your standards, anon. Thank god.

>>57488387
As a SEAchad, I declare you are talking shit
>competitive gaming
>Hologirls
Roru
And this is Hololive we are talking about, if they are trying to push more shit like the OW2 shitshow, it won't work
Some retards can push unity as much as they want but majority of Hololive's audiences are only interested at girls

>>57496083
>Now the yearly Mario Kart tournament is in danger of being under this horizontal garbage because Cover wants to control any and all game tournaments the girls do because "muh sponsors"

the thought of this GENUINELY scares me, christ. these next few years slightly worry me, i'm gonna hang on for optimism but there is a real chance this corp damages itself

>>57488715
They probably think they reached their cap in streaming, at least for HoloJP
I don't disagree with their idea of branching out to other areas to expand, but they should still keep their core value which is CGDCT

>>57491388
If they are insistent on pursuing this then it is actually fucking over. Why can’t we just let hololive be hololive

>>57489207
I think there's a high chance of it not being a gen based on past debuts and gens
All 4 have two badges on their clothes
Gens usually have a theme, but not matching accessories

Only warcraft could kill warcraft. Only star wars could kill star wars, only hololive can kill hololive. It keeps happening.

>>57496083
>>57509492
So corporate meddling could ruin soulful member driven events because of their greed and need to control things. God this is the worst cancer.

>>57510909
And you have retards defending this garbage because it gives a crumb of attention to their male failures. Thankfully they're in the minority literally everywhere and even reddit's reception has been mostly negative about it. This might truly be the first time the entire fanbase is united to shit a retarded decision by Cover since the Taiwan debacle.

I have no clue what this is from that description

>>57496608
>didn't even watch the thing
that's because nobody did
only girl whose numbers are massively down from their normal is botan

>>57495464
They got paid because it's a sponsorship you retard

>>57511966
aren't* massively
In fact this is almost a success for the homos in a way since one of them managed to beat lui in ccv
That's how bad it was

>>57494880
irys explained to her viewers how management actually tricked her into accepting this by never mentioning this even would include holostars until after she agreed it

>>57495822
this is literally false, the overwatch 2 sponsorship got more views in 24 hours than the pokemon unite sponsorship in 3 weeks.
Unicorns make up a good number of live watches, but Unity make up a large chunk of VOD watchers.

Still don't know what Holozontal entails beyond corporate speak.

>>57511930
Forced competitions. Expect more awkward mixed EN/JP/ID/homo collabs in the future.

>>57512202
Now that is fucked up.

>>57511966
3K isn't that bad for Irys tho

>>57512450
It is.

>>57512351
Horizontal is slang for missionary, the most commonly practiced heterosexual sex position.

>>57490341
E-sports is one of the worst investments imaginable

>>57493641
That's the thing, he claims to be a homo lover but, surprise surprise, all he achieves is stealth shilling of nijinigs and slinks away when called out on it.
He's simply a nijinog. Not a fan of holos or homos at all.

>>57496697
>Yagoo step down
>The girls' cut got reduced
>Shit becomes more corporate
Yeah, no thanks
It's funny that people who want Yagoo to step down is either a newfag who know nothing what he did or some closeted faggots that are obsessed with the homos

>>57512321
Are you implying that one view is worth as much as one live viewer? It's not. Because....BECAUSE IT JUST IS NOT OKAY???

>>57486074
Are JP fans actually happy about this garbage?

>>57512905
Most E-sports isn't even real. Most are just advertising. Like Blizzard's moba, e-sport league suddenly goes up in a puff of smoke when bizz no longer wanted to advertise the moba anymore.

>>57486074
Cool I hope they will support my fightan

>>57496316
It's not the tarot meme magic you should focus on, but what the girls think about Hololive's current direction

>>57489807
Twitch is in it's death throes and I cannot wait until it finally dies and the idea that you are required to gain success and fortune for other people dies with it.
Genuine question for actually people who like the stars regardless of branch. Have any of them ever said some shit like
>if only x hadn't overlapped me I'd be successful

>>57506619
>E-sports are actually counter productive
I think there is a place for it in hololive, you just have to get chuubas who know this stuff and have experience with itz instead of pushing cutesy bad gamer vtubers into e sport/competitive types of games.

>>57486074
Why didn't they call it Holozontal? Seems like a missed opportunity tbqh

>>57513572
Even the good players in hololive are mediocre at best. It's a hole people throw money into and many developers/publishers with a lot more capital than cover couldn't force it to happen. Ask e-celebs who have e-sports teams how it's going for them.

>>57495808
>>57496191
Everyone else was busy or were clever enough to appear busy in order to avoid it. Consider Matsuri, who plays too much shitpex and has no probs collabing with homos, both to her channel's detriment btw such that she's fallen hard, was busy with her b'day Live.
The girls know what's good and isn't good for their own personal branding as will wisen up quick tl find ways to avoid managment "requests".

Nene getting gaslit by her manager to get into valorant "to broaden her channel's horizons" despite the resulting major Nekko backlash and Mel's sudden turn to the same despite being one of the least able holos of all in regards to FPS games due to her mental disabilities now all makes fucking sense.

FUCK COVER

>>57494753
I doubt the girls would feel that much over OW2
The girls actually practice and invested time for Mario Kart tournament, especially the top candidates for the winner
For OW2 the girls only have one session of practickng together if I'm not mistaken

>>57513572
You left out the rest of that sentence which is very important.
>E-sports are actually counter productive
>to the chill cute girl idol vibe that actually best represents Hololive as a whole.
Vtubers are just streamers with an avatar, of course a vtuber can lean well into e-sports and be successful, doing something he's good at and his audience enjoys.
But that doesn't align with most of Hololive, that's not the sort of creators they are or the audiences they have and e-sports don't match well their content.
Not saying they shouldn't be allowed to do that, they can do it. They have been able to do it all along.
This whole shit isn't about giving them the chance to do it, it's about forcing other girls into it, it's about framing it all under direct corporate control. It's about making them stop doing the things they love and their audience enjoys and making them do this shit instead.
HLZNTL doesn't give Hololive new viable options, it takes them away and gives them a burden to carry.
E-sports are stressful, a big time commitment and not everyone has the capacity to be good at them. Hololive is for the most part about cute girls who sing and do silly things, a few are good at a game or two. But it's not an e-sports centric company.
There are e-sport vtuber companies out there and even Nijisanji has a much stronger presence on that area.
What Cover is doing now is just trying to force Hololive to play catch up with that and brute force it into that niche.
This kind of shit doesn't work in any type of context, executives just don't fucking get it, they can't just force shit to happen.
Funny that this is related to e-sports since they have been the bane of so many attempts, many games that desperately try to force themselves to be e-sports and fail at it. Because ongoing patches don't make an e-sport, big prize pools don't make an e-sport. Marketing doesn't make an e-sport.
People being interested in playing the game, having fun, wanting to be good and most importantly having fun watching others play those games make an e-sport.
Cover is just joining a long list of companies that banked on the e-sport horse got nothing in return.

>>57513881
>Even the good players in hololive are mediocre at best.
I agree, that's why I'm saying they should get competent chuubas. And I'm not talking about actual e sport, it's kinda laughable, you know...women and any sort of competition. But I can imagine girls carving out niche in hololive for e sport type of games and doing tourney etc. Basically Valorant/apex chuubas, but actually somewhat good at games, I don't think it would fly in the west, but JP? It can. But I feel like girls who want to be those type of vtubers, just go straight to VSPO instead of Hololive.

>>57513217
No one is happy with this.

>>57502180
Aruran tried to copy Roberu but it didn't work for him

>>57514075
Yes, I agree with you, I don't like that they push girls that aren't made for this to do this, that's why I'm saying if they want to have VSPO-light they should get new gen for that instead of forcing old girls into things they aren't competent or passionate about.

>>57496697
When that happens, good luck getting free stream let alone a refund like yesterday splash party

>>57513128
>some closeted faggots that are obsessed with the homos
you just described yagoo

>>57513217
There's barely any positive comment on twitter, the comment section of the blog post is chock-full of people criticizing it and even reddit was against it to the point the thread about it was closed by moderation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/166iydv/hlzntl_holizontal_cover_corps_new_project_focused

Ive never seen this much seethe over male streamers. I get not wanting them to collab with your oshi thats perfectly understandable, but calling for them to be fired and wiped from hololive? Get a grip, hololive in general is cheap to maintain, especially the stars since they don't get alot of support already.

Tempus's debut last year really mindbroke this board, almost as hard as the 2016 election did with /pol/

>>57494880
>Management: [Holo's name], you want to join the hlzntl project to promote OW2?
>Holo: I'm not interested
>Management: Do you know how MASSIVE the opportunity to have Microsoft connection is, especially for the BS permission issue?
Especially for IRyS case, she gets to have an opportunity to connect with HoloJP

This project made me convinced that HoloDEV_IS is a KR branch. It sounded like a move to bait gooks into watching Hololive cause they love their E-Sports

>>57492767
>Yagoo desperately wants to be NijiJP
You don't know about the meeting with investors? Investors were the one that asked them be like Niji
There's even a few crazy ones that asked him to resurrect Rushia and a meeting between the talents and investors

>>57514262
That would be their best way to approach that but I still think it's a dumb goal for them to have.
Why even bother doing that?
Other companies already have that market cornered and it wasn't that big to begin with so there's not much for them to get. They will still be at a disadvantage because their e-sport level members would still be very few so they wouldn't be able to do that much with them. And other groups don't have to deal with the elephant in the room that's male interaction on stream.
There aren't even that many e-sport games with a big audience. They could get some members who have interest in certain games, that could happen organically. They don't need this whole label bullshit to push it.
We call it "e-sports" but we know it's just going to be apex and valorant, maybe lol because those are the only games they will care about, OW2 is a niche pick now but that shit is a dead game already.
There were already members playing Apex well so what, this whole thing is just to push Valorant?
Sponsors really feel like the main motivation for this which would make a lot of sense, they push their own group of ongoing internal e-sport shit and get to sell sponsorships on it. But it's bullshit.
Cover doesn't need more money to be successful.
Choosing members for a new gen based on e-sports compatibility just to sell sponsors, seriously?
Sounds like a terrible new direction for Hololive. Way to restrict a whole gen from the start.

>>57514436
>Ive never seen this much seethe over male streamers
Lie
>almost as hard as the 2016 election did with /pol/
rent free

>>57514404
If he can keep it in leash and still treat Holos well I couldn't care less about him being a fag
And from my understanding, he's treating StarsJP well because they are his drinking buddies
Do you not realize that the whole unity between Hololive and Holostars have been pushed near the time of Cover going IPO? Even Shinove (the guy that's competent at getting perms) step down
After years of Hololive and Holostars segregation you are telling me he suddenly want to blur that line around the time of Cover going IPO? Potentially letting his favorite boys suffer what StarsJP1 went through?
Use your brain, the investors is the new variable in this case

>>57515013
is it really lie if it's the truth?

>>57514922
>Why even bother doing that?
They lucked out on idol thing, probably hoping luck out on e-sport thing.
>male interaction
Towa, Matsuri, Fubuki doing fine though? They just need to set up boundaries from start.
>E-sport
I too think it's still dumb for holo to do it,I know I won't watch Valorant or lol, apex only if chuuba some kind of aceu with voice changer.
But if they are so hellbent about making it a thing might as well go my way, instead of their dumb utterly retarded money sink, burnout inducing decisions

>>57515186
It's a lie because there's now way "I haven't seen more seething before" is true unless that person just found this site yesterday.

>>57501961
>fucking this,I dont understand why people bragging & happy about this
To stroke their own ego and flaunt their "superiority"
>I watch girls from this company that has a big ass studio in Japan
>The girls that you watch aren't popular? Don't have a big ass studio? You suck

>>57486074
Hololive going for that ESG fund, huh?

>>57507499
>male failures are getting everything on the silver platter
what the fuck are you talking about? are you high on something? the girls have most of the events on holo these days,
and it's pretty bold of you to assume i watch holostars. I'm just saying your statement that Yagoo should step down is pretty fucking retarded. He's the reason Hololive is still good to this day. You let a shareholder run it, and it'll turn into something you don't like. Mark my fucking words.

>>57515229
Towa, Matsuri, Fubuki and others do it voluntarily on their own, not as part of a program that is either forced on them or at least heavily pushed on them. They do it on their own terms.
That's the key difference.
If they have a new e-sport division and all the e-sport girls play there exclusively and they have open male interaction where does that leave the girls who don't want the male interaction but still want to do some e-sports?
Do they have to do it on their own? Are they even free to do that at all anymore? Or do they just get sucked into the new program? We don't know and honestly I doubt Cover knows how to handle it either.
Having half of HoloEN join collabs with Tempus while the other half avoided them like a plague was really fucking weird, we'd see people ask one of the girls not collabing with them why doesn't she join some of the activities they are doing if they seem interested in them and of course they can't just openly say "yeah I'd love to do X thing but not if guys are around so I won't join the rest of EN doing it now". And this shit was still member driven so the issue wasn't so bad.
JP hasn't had to deal with anything similar so far because those doing male collabs were a tiny fraction and they acted in their own separate bubble.
But if all of HoloJP is forced to go through HLZNTL to play anything e-sport like now that changes everything, and even more so if it goes from just traditionaly e-sport games like Valorant and even affects something like the Mario Kart tournaments.

>>57487349
Gamers gen 2 with botan instead of Fubuki, it just works.

>>57515013
This board in general has lost it over male vtubers since tempus, seethe level has definitely been at an all time high blindsama

>>57515300
Every day i see in the catalog, there's always one tempus seethe thread. Every. Fucking. Day. What does that tell you? You know how much of a pain in the ass that is to hide those threads?

>>57515440
ESG closed down over a year ago. You're going to need a new scapegoat.

>>57515774
>>57515831
That means this is nothing new it's just the norm.
It's like saying "I have never seen such a bad weather" but there's weather like that every fucking year.
When Tempus debuted the catalog was straight up just all about it, there hasn't been that much seething since then.

>>57497833
>Holostars and Hololive in 2019-2022 barely interact with each other
>Things suddenly change in 2023
You should start wondering what happened in 2023 that things escalated to this
I hate hlzlntl and the increase in homo collabs as well, but if I have to choose between Yagoo and letting Holos getting handled by retard inventors with their retarded ideas then I would choose the former

I was scared at first as a Nijifag because the big streamers would drop my oshi to interact with Pekomiko is a heartbeat and my oshi would become irrelevant as a result, but it's a good thing that Holochuds are dumb and will stop this from happening.

>>57516189
I'm sure investors would look at Hololive's situation and go "yeah, we should shove this failure of a branch everywhere we can instead of just canning it". The hardcore push started in 2022, the year that saw 12 new homos (tempus part 2 was in early January but they were hired in 2022) and only 3 new girls, the whole collab bullshit with HoloEN with tempiss having their collab ban cut shot only for HoloEN, all the shilling tempiss and uproar got for their pathetic results, the start of the overlap ban that coincidentally matched uproar's 3D debuts and all of this garbage culminating in the nonsensical "muh unity" intermission during the NY concert. Why the hell Cover would do all of this shit before going public?

>>57516461
Sounds like trying to boost up their value. Like a company announcing a big project before going public or being bought by another company.

>>57516576
Boosting the value of the homos is like multiplying zero by any number.

So pretty much the girls are going to get dominated every time by the more fps competent men. Not trying to throw shade, but you cannot have Botan breaking her back carrying every single match.
From a business viewpoint the most logical thing would be to have intergender teams to level the playing field. Buuuuut we all know just how much seethe and dilation that will cause. Bro, cover. Cover, this is from a place of love... this ain't it.
Also, fuck overwatch 2. Don't subject your talent to that dogshit of a game. It isn't the lowest rated game on steam for nothing.

>>57512321
>>57513132
I checked the numbers
Holizontal event all channels: 362k vod views between everyone
Pokemon Unite (only Usada Pekora POV): 219k vod views
So what happens if i add the rest of the pokemon unite POV? why can't you stop lying and just watch your homos in peace?

It's pointless to try to put the girls into serious e-sports shit where they're just gonna get absolutely destroyed every time. Who wants to see that?

>>57516643
Yeah but look at it from an outsider perspective as a businessman.
A company with a successful branch of female streamers and a successful branch of male streamers is worth more than a company with a successful branch of female streamers and a failed branch of male streamers.

Something funny is that they didn't even post about this on their app.

>>57516782
So that's why they want to destroy their successful branch of female streamers? can't japan just take an L and get rid of the homos? imagine if the stakeholders were present when aqua asked for the 3D studio that was taken by astel because he asked first, he would have been pushed months after Aqua had her event because she's gonna bring all the fucking money while in Astel's case is just a waste of resources.
I know this retarded Holizontal thing will blow on their faces and make cover finally realize that the male branch is not as profitable and needs to go, this doesn't come from a place of malice but they are legitimately in the wrong fucking company

>>57517032
>The assblasted Aqua Defense Force comes out of the woodwork
I'm guessing the stockholders would tell her the same thing everyone else did "why couldn't you reserve it earlier?"

All businessmen are bureaucrats.

>>57517032
>So that's why they want to destroy their successful branch of female streamers?
They think they can force Stars to be viable without ruining Hololive.
>imagine if the stakeholders were present when aqua asked for the 3D
If the stakeholders were properly up to date and informed of the actual situation in the company and in charge this shit would not have happened so that's basically the silver lining here.
Clueless businessmen are terrible because they do retarded shit that makes sense in their mind because they lack proper information but once the business department knows what it's doing it's actually a great sight, a well oiled profit making machine.
So let's just hope the people behind Cover are quick to realize where the money comes from and prioritize it.

>>57517199
>They think they can force Stars to be viable without ruining Hololive.
It's more that they believe that the girls are doing so well that they can tank their retarded decisions without taking too much damage

>>57516782
Then maybe Cover should've fucking saw the writing on the wall years ago and got rid of this obviously inflamed appendix back then.

>>57517104
Businessmen also love to play favorites and they would never give priority to some 3view shitter over Aqua out of all people.

>>57517263
Stars are Yagoo's passion project and Cover wasn't public until recently.
He was happy letting both branches do their own thing. These attempts to make Stars benefit from Hololive's popularity are new.

>>57514075
Basically this. Even the usual hugbox is that is Reddit is against it, and mods have to keep deleting posts due to negative backlash. https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/166iydv/hlzntl_holizontal_cover_corps_new_project_focused/

>>57517381
Not completely new and I severely doubt investors are actually fine with decisions that can actively hurt their main product only to make the inferior one more popular.

>>57517104
>The assblasted Aqua Defense Force comes out of the woodwork
Not really, this is bussiness 101 if one of my huge money makers wants to make me thousands on dollars I would push the other one who's basically leeching from them a few months back, then he can have his event.

I love how people keep bringing that VSPO is some sort of competitive e-sport brand, when in reality it is just a corpo that recruits girls who love FPS. Point in case: Beni, Tsuna and Towa ended down at the bottom of the last Vsaikyo. You just outed yourself as simply threadreaders, because thanks to VSPO retarded clip policy their growth outside of Japan is gimped.

>>57517381
They are new yes, but don't blame the stakeholders, I would blame Yagoo, remember last meeting someone got his ass indirectly asking about the failure that is tempus 1 & 2, they want them fucking OUT of there and Yagoo is desperate to keep them and that might be why he's pushing them so hard right now, even if it's a bad idea seeing a passion project die is not a good feeling.

>>57517512
>I severely doubt investors are actually fine with decisions that can actively hurt their main product only to make the inferior one more popular.
Oh boy have you heard about a company called Disney? They own half the entertainment industry but somehow they haven't been doing very good lately, just a streak of failure after failure and it has gotten so bad there are rumors of the company going on sale.
People have been trying to explain to them why all their projects keep being failures but the company doesn't seem to care and keeps repeating the same mistakes. The investors are nowhere to be seen.

>>57517545
Blame Aqua's manager that couldn't book the studio in time or the same Aqua that didn't bothered to check beforehand.

>>57517545
>>57517263
Here's the problem with your assessment. Holo gives a fair cut to their talents and these stockholders want Cover to act more like Niji so they can earn more money. Even if they play favorites they wouldn't be earning a boatload from a single 3D stream and instead earn a small portion of it.

Besides the IPO doesn't allow meddling in the affairs of internal company proceedings. It's either cash in or cash out and YAGOO doesn't seem like the type to go Black Company anytime soon.

>>57517744
Again, idc about the situation, but talking about a bussiness standpoint Aqua >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any Holostar

>>57517829
>YAGOO doesn't seem like the type to go Black Company anytime soon
Coercing the talents to be part of their garbage new project is not black enough for you?

>>57517829
Even if they play favorites they wouldn't be earning a boatload from a single 3D stream and instead earn a small portion of it.
So it's a small portion correct? so what do the Stars bring in then? if let's say aqua gives the stokeholders 1k usd then what does axel give them? a bubblegum? aqua would still take priority over any holostar any day of the week

>>57486074
Boycott Boycott Boycott Boycott
Total HLZNTL Death
Boycott Boycott Boycott Boycott

>>57517886
The bussiness stand point is that Astel booked and payed for using the studio in time and Aqua being the little dormant that she is didn't do it in time.
Is really simple, unless your mind is the one of a 3 yo child only capable of throw tantrums.

Why is there still threads of this? There isn't even anything going on since that OW2 stream. This isn't even a gen or a unit. Just a brand/name they use for competitive shit.

>>57518074
So something that could've been prevented if the homos weren't a thing. Great, another argument against their pathetic existence.

>>57517938
>Coercing
There are no indications that this happened. Except from the voices in your head.

>>57517512
The issue is, and judging by how the site describes it, it seems stockholders may see Holostars as an ESG ticket; that perhaps by promoting co-ed collabs in the face of fan opposition, they can attract investors who use ESG score. Everything about it reads like: "Look and see how progressive we're being by forcing mixed-gender collabs!" That's why it was important to have holomems typically staunchly opposed to such collabs like irys on board, who wasnt even informed that it was a co-ed thing until after accepting the invitation. They think they can burn the goodwill of longtime fans and make it up with investors like Blackrock.

>>57518243
>who wasnt even informed that it was a co-ed thing until after accepting the invitation.
Again, something that didn't happen.

>>57515844
that's retarded. Larry fink talks about broad support of corporate governance of society and will continue to use blackrock's access to infinite money to push the s and the g of esg, no matter what it's called.

it's funny how chinks ended up being the only ones based enough to directly go against Cover and their bullshit, instead of lying down without doing anything lmao

>>57518074
Anon, the world of bussiness is a cold one, it doesn't matter if he took it first, if the stakeholders knew the value of Aqua 3D vs Astel's do you think they wouldn't pushed him aside and let Aqua do her thing? you're talking about morals here anon, not bussiness, thousands of bussiness have canceled stuff with others just because a way more profitable offer came later, Astel can't do shit.
>unless your mind is the one of a 3 yo child only capable of throw tantrums.
Lol what tantrum? stating that Aqua is more valuable than Astel in any shape or form? As I said, Astel got there first, he deserved to use it because it's fair and cover is more of a white company, but on a bussiness standpoint none of their graduations or terminations mean jackshit, that's the way it is.

im just baffled that management cant see that they would be sacrificing one fanbase, to obtain another that at this point, might just be bots. all while using talents that are moving in completely different directions from fps comps and eceleb collabs.
cover needs to stop being reactionary and come up with their own ideas and try to implement them before anyone else sets themselves up. Idol stuff, cgdct, EN branch, were all stuff they thought of first and were raving successes. that when other companies try to copy, fail miserably. cross gender and culture collabs, that now includes competitive event stuff is just trying to be niji or vspo. and neither of these things have worked out one iota.

>>57518221
>Nene and Lui saying that they refused at first but management "convinced" them to do it
>IRyS having to make sure there wouldn't be any communication with the homos
>Lamy having a weird talk about "being forced" to do male collabs but instantly going back on it on the next day after fan pushback
Sure thing, anon. It's so obvious that all the participants are super excited for this new project.

They went back to their roots! https://youtu.be/DPZbSlHcdfo

>>57493566
They are literally given just lines. Like, zero actual description of the scene the characters are in, props, motivations, or anything else. It might as well be a youtube audio transcript. Kiara basically revealed this when talking about how all their lines addressed a helicopter but they were amazed when the short cane out and it wasn't one.

This thread is mega gay, there's only 100 of you here and thousands of people out there.

>>57518631
>Kiara basically revealed this when talking about how all their lines addressed a helicopter but they were amazed when the short cane out and it wasn't one.
This is actually kinda funny, but not really tolerable if you are going to be serious about it

Management in any company are almost without exception out of touch and retarded, but Cover seems to routinely have people who don't actually understand any of their talent and try and fit the square peg in the round hole. I remember Lamy's old manager who told her she shouldn't collab and shouldn't sing, or when they were having Myth play FF14 off-stream for an event or sponsored collab or something that didn't actually end up happening. The OW2 event thing which had 'powered by HZNTL' plastered on it is a sign that it isn't changing here. They want a fucking eSports thing, but have like 5 talents across both sides who are both interested in that scene and approaching mediocre at the games in it, and they obviously can't be available for everything so you're gonna have IRyS who probably struggle to name a PvP game that's not Splatoon having to take part.

>>57517938
>H...he forced them into it! There's no way my pure waifus would play with filthy MALES

>>57518324
Nene and Chloe also admitted that they were pressured into taking part in this, and ain't it funny that the plethora of holomems that both play FPS games and are cool with mixed collabs, such as Ame, seem not to be involved at all when this is literally right up their alley? Weird missed opportunity for someone like her, huh? But sure, let's have the person you literally hired to be an idol, one how has gone out of their way previously to avoid collabing with the male branch and played an FPS only a handful of times on stream, be forced to awkwardly explain to her fanbase about her involvement in this collab and have to reassure them that interaction would be extremely limited. That seems like the ideal person to showcase some mixed collab esports venture. Please, it's obvious from the involved members comments on this already that management wasn't forthright about what this was in the first place and pressured them to be involved with it. It couldn't be more obvious this is about forcing mixed collabs on the fans and talents that don't want it for the sake of corporate sponsors and investors

>>57496697
>so maybe him losing power within the company is a good thing if it increases the chances of that failure of a branch to get axed.
>anon really want another finger curled

>>57518541
>Nene
About valo thing or something? Im EOP I just remember people seething about Nene's sudden switch of priorities or something like this.

>>57519501
Yeah, in her case it was about Valorant. Apparently her manager convinced her to do because just being an idol wasn't enough for her future.

>>57519566
Right, I remember seeing that, and felt sorry for her, although I couldn't exactly understand whole story about it. Lotta falseflaggers too

Just debut actual good gamers for it and problem solved. Let the holos who constantly played the same game join.

>>57496697
>Yagoo is the single biggest reason for the homos existence
he's also the reason why your girls are safe from selfish shareholders you imbecile

>>57496697
>He would let shareholders (the literal definition of leeches) have more power in the company if it means getting rid of the homos.

This has to be a bait. Whatever, enjoy your (you)s.

>>57496697
Yeah no, yagoo might like his boys, but if you wanna know what corporate shareholders would do to Hololive, look at Nijisanji. Heck, just read the shareholder Q&A they recently did. Shareholders literally contemplating why they don't revive Coco and Rushia by putting new actors behind them. Shareholders are absolutely evil scum, and while yagoo might not be perfect, he at least cares for his staff and talent

>>57517708
>mistakes
They’re not mistakes even if they’ve been putting out lots of flops. they’re the most powerful entertainment company in the world backed by every globohomo organization there is. what they’re putting out is deliberate to slowly change society and human views to how they want them to be

>>57517708
>Disney
that's an entirely different beast and their cases of failure lies in entirely different things

>Holizontal is all about forcing males on the females via esports
>Just want Mumei and Selen to dunk on kids in OW2 again with some other girls from either side of the fence

>>57519232
>Chloe
LMAO, Chloe actually doesnt give a shit & just happy she got that Jewzzard money.
Don't use Chloe to project your shitty narrative, you schizo.

>>57520492
Why dont Hololive revive them? Many people in /vt/ said that the person behind and the character are separate. As an ENTERTAINMENT company, any person should be able to drive the character and play the kayfabe right? What does it mean then when people say its not cuck even if the person behind the character having intimate relationship?

Yagoo should be fired so that uncle bilbili can take over hololive.

>>57513427
>Twitch is in it's death throes
Maybe, but japanese presence on twitch is bigger than ever

>>57520492
this.
shareholders/suits are absolute scum.
I can't believe people are so obsessed & mindbroken by irrelevant homos so much to the point they rather ditch yagoo in favor to axed the homos. little did they know shareholders are absolute demon that will suck the souls & life from holos talent.
that interview of shareholders ASKING yagoo to make shareholders & girls talent only event SHOULD GIVE YOU A FUCKING CLUE,jesus christ.
people are so focused by the homos that they forget the actual threat to their girls.

>>57521093
It'd be like if I had Dwayne Johnson publicly terminated at the peak of his WWE career and then marketed some other guy as "The Rock." We all know that replacement wouldn't actually The Rock, but a skinwalker pretending to be him. Same concept and its scummy af.

>>57521093
>Why dont Hololive revive them?
someone hasn't seen the Game Club Project fiasco that happened, or the Kizuna Ai clones.. watch those and then come back

>>57521890
>skinwalker
by that you mean the person behind and the character is the same? does that mean intimate relation of the person behind also affects the character? if you think it doesnt, which would be more scummy? having intimate relationship while playing the character, or reviving the character with another person?

>>57521983
read >>57522192
then why does "B people" angry at "A people" who are protesting againts the person behind character having an affair? Considering that Person Behind and the Character is the same?

>>57521093
Brave did that, they called the talents they terminated and replaced as "C-tubers" aka Character Vtubers, so replacing them isn't bad per se, since you were in it for the model following a script!

>>57522411
read >>57522192 >>57522411

>>57521890
They did that with Diesel and Razor Ramon. It went about as well you think it might

>>57522411
read >>57522192 >>57522375

>>57522643
I'm not defending Brave, nor C-tubers. I'm just explaining their convoluted logic. They knew what they were doing was wrong, but after months of drama and abuse, this was all they could scrounge up before the whole thing fell apart

holizontar

>>57493566
>>57518631
I can't recall if it was Gura or Ina, but one of them mentioned that for the initial Umisea videos their lines were written in JP and translated to EN by someone who didn't really understand how the girls naturally talk. The animation was also done according to a JP speaker's temp VO, and the girls were forced to match their timings to it, so of course it comes across as stilted and sounds like shit. This isn't to say the girls are actually good VAs, but when you compare the Umisea and graffiti JP productions to to one originally written in English (the Halloween shorts) by someone who knows how the girls naturally talk (Fauna), there is a significant improvement.

>>57520866
Both of them keep pushing shit that majority of people have no interest at instead of pushing something that they are well known for

>>57502060
>if you want it to stop make them have 0 income and go bankrupt, that will make it stop
yeah no shit retard

>>57517545
>blatant favoritism
By your logic, Cover should absolutely prioritize the top Holos and give most of their resources only to top Holos

>>57521093
Please fuck off you scum
How the fuck can you sounds worse than Yagoo's faggotry

>>57524342
You cant accept the fact that Cover is an ENTERTAINMENT company? A company has to do what it has to do to survive. Yagoo's deal with the talent of 50/50 cut after youtube's is the reason why the company resorted to going Public. And then there is problem with schedule and stream time too. Rather than blaming the STARS, it should be the Girls that should be blamed for not reinvesting their money into the company. As many people said, the female talents are just grifters. Without the Blue Doritos besides their name, no one would even watch their stream. How do you think the company should get funds if not from the talents? DESU Cover being too lenient on their talents is the main cause the company is failing.

>>57525329(me)
>desu
nice. 4ch autocorrect desu into desu.