/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Just go to /jp/ we've already forgiven her.

>>57321684
That's sad.

Signs of life since her break: Logging on to twitter specifically to block a few people
Outlook: She probably isn't going to take it back

>>57321942
she's probably going to announce she's pursuing lawsuits against everyone who complained because (in her mind) they're why she got kicked out of the tournament

>>57322070
She outright blamed her foreign fans and told them to go away during a twitcast after the decision so it wouldn't surprise me

>>57321684
>we

>>57321684
>we've already forgiven her
Anon, you blogposting half the posts in the thread out of heartwrenching desperation isn't >we
cope with the wait how you must but don't fucking >we

>>57321684
>we
kys
but kill me first

>>57321684
that thread on /jp/ is the saddest shit i've ever read you guys are mentally ill

>>57321565
What fuckup did she do this time?

>>57322738
archive reps

>>57322703
Two days away without any sign of remorse was all it took for the people threatening suicide and sending angry superchats to come crawling back and declaring their love for her again

>>57322703
it's usually not *that* bad
a lot of people are processing a traumatic event, as long as nobody does something retarded I can't judge them for how they process it
Just try to remember that desperation can make anybody temporarily retarded and try not to judge rn

>>57322917
I don't think any of those people have come back anon. Been watching Twitter.

>>57322738
Promised no male collabs pretty much every stream for months on end, decided she wanted to enter an Apex tournament with an absolute dickhead of a male vtuber she had been caught interacting with before, invites her big donors to a discord call to try guilting them into letting her do it with the excuse of the tournament salvaging her reputation, her top donor refused and went silent on Twitter to the point he had to later announce he hadn't killed himself along with removing oshi marks and changing his profile picture, she announces on Twitter to her general fanbase and shit really hit the fan, she does a members only youtube stream where she talks about not being a slave or a puppet and vaguely complains about people trying to control her with money, a bunch of unicorns and gachikoi who weren't invited to the vip call superchat her angry messages and one of them tweets pictures of his sliced open wrists on Twitter, stream ends and she angry tweets on sub accounts, flash forward a bit and she starts a twitcast stream announcing she has been removed from the tournament with no reason given and speculation being it was either pressure from cover or mafumafu's agency since they both had participants in the tournament, proceeds to blame overseas fans and tell them to go away, does two more twitcasts of mostly the same, and the announces a break from streaming. Since then, her only sign of life was to log in and block a few fans on Twitter and her cucks are begging her to forgive them while she ignores them. Enjoy this shitty wall of text I didn't feel like formatting it.

>>57321684
>we
No, >we have not. The only thing >we are, is miserable.
Even on twitter, even among the fans who didn't say anything bad about the collab publicly, it feels morbid. One 5ch post said it best:
>ねこふぁみのテンションがお通夜状態になりそうで怖いわ
It's like everyone knows she made a fatally incorrect decision, but instead or saying it, it leaks through into their tweets

>>57323686
>her cucks are begging her to forgive them while she ignores them
where

>>57323780
I can guarantee you nobody gives a shit about corns fucking off and as soon as she comes back and sweeps this under the rug, everyone who remained will go right back to normal

>>57322738
>mikeneko announces shes joining big jp apex tourney
>2 males on team
>mikeneko gets banned from tourney because blacklist
>streams with the 2 guys anyway
>they laugh at her and spit on her face while she smiles and begs them for more attention (i am only slightly exaggerating)

>>57321565
It's actually pretty pathetic you put up with this bitch acting insane, betraying everyone around her, and being untrustworthy in general but this stupid collab is the one thing that broke you and only this collab. Really does suggest unicorns are terrible people when push comes to shove.

>>57323686(me)
One thing I forgot is she did a Apex stream with the 2 male teammates even after being removed just to spite her unicorns and the dudes made jokes about her getting fired from hololive and how the only tournament she would be allowed to participate in is a sex tournament

>>57324040
They treated her with open disdain but she was too far gone to realise they were maliciously making fun of her throughout and only invited her to the tournament for notoriety. Her getting blocked was fine by them as they got their names out there being attached to the drama.

>>57324408
And she will let them do it again because that is what she wants and that is who she is

Come back to the faith fandead, be healed, be sanctified, you've suffered enough

She is comedian, not your lover

>>57323912
>I can guarantee
LMAO
I know more than you about her fanbase and the collective reaction. Open your fucking eyes for once.

>>57323686
>>57324040
holy fuck this is like 3x times worse than I thought kek Rushia is going nuclear huh

>>57324518
Begone, filthy monkey

>>57324040
for real is there 1 sane vtuber chick that plays Apex actively? I fkn swear every single one have some serious issues one way or another kek

>>57321565
i just want to thank you to all fandead staying latched onto this self destructive creature. with kana gone it is my free entertainment

I hate the fact that I can't stop loving her, even though I know she hates us. If I met Mikeneko I would put a knife in her hand and tell her to do whatever she wanted to me.

>>57321565
just leave her the fuck alone already

>>57324408
>>57324040
Extremely based dudes, those males.

>>57323686
>vaguely complains about people trying to control her with money
She's the one who has been begging them for money though? Way to bite the hand that feeds you. Well, up to her I suppose. I'll just be waiting for the inevitable 180 where she begs them for money again.

>>57325045
That anon unironically didn't even cover all the details but got most of it. The one thing he missed was why she even started this retardation in the first place.
She thought participation in a major tournament, alongside nothing bad happening if she did(she assumed), would miraculously salvage her reputation and make people stop seeing her as a cursed object to avoid. Her bipolar mania spiked and removed all doubt, and her desperation intensified her delusions to the point where she had ended up convincing herself that it was basically an absolutely sure thing.
I wish she could realize that her reputation as a "drama magnet" could go away if she actually just took things slow and steady, streamed consistently for a year or so without ANY major upsets or upheavals, neither within her fanbase nor to the public eye. And maybe, maybe after that period of time, began to start small with tournaments that didn't require alienating any fans.
But she always jumps from hopium to hopium.
Where is the girl who started sankisei and helped build Holo into its most iconic golden era? She helped build that shit and she could do it again for herself if she just commit to the grind like before.

>>57321684
>we

>>57323686
>one of them tweets pictures of his sliced open wrists on Twitter
>does two more twitcasts of mostly the same
> Since then, her only sign of life was to log in and block a few fans on Twitter
Jesus...

>>57326099
>I wish she could realize that her reputation as a "drama magnet" could go away if she actually just took things slow and steady, streamed consistently for a year or so without ANY major upsets or upheavals
This is physically impossible for her.

>>57326099
Damn. Menhera prime.

This is why I trust the vtubers that are ok with male collabs. The ones that don't just pretend to "love" their audience while trying to get some dick in secret. The ones that are ok with talking to dudes casually are the ones that grew up with a father in their life and don't need to hide anything. This woman is a disgusting human being and a lot of others have been saying as much since her time in hololive. She was 100% gonna get herself fired eventually from the company anyway no matter what, she's mentally ill and a natural liar and manipulator.

>>57325498
No. How dare she have a boyfriend when all her fans are suffering from getting rejected left and right? She deserve getting fired from Hololive for it. If her fans can't get girlfriends, then she doesn't deserve to have a boyfriend. She betrayed our trust.

She needs to sell NTR ASMR on Dlsite. I'd shower her with money.

>>57326956
At least learn why she was fired, falseflaggerchama.

can you stop ritual posting about mikecat on the catalog every day? touch some grass

>>57326956
This but unironically.

>>57326908
>>57326956
are you guys competing for the worst possible take? i want to see organic cope not this astroturfed garbage

i dont udnerstnd this thread, wtf did rosemi do

>>57326956
include me in the drama youtuber screencap

>>57321565
What happened this time?

shes an unfixable wreck, move on.

>>57326956
>then she doesn't deserve to have a boyfriend
Mike literally couldn't get a boyfriend if she tried anymore, not one she'd be happy with, she's too old now

>>57323686
>>57323968
>>57324040
>>57324408
>>57324508
>>57325045
>>57325505
>>57325942
>>57326099
>>57326540
the guys were not shitting on Mike you lying motherfuckers

>>57327240
>unfixable
Hot.

>>57324040
>sex tournament with michael cat
Where do I sign up?
She should give up the innocent act and become a slut tuber if she just can't stay away from dicks, plus she's already got one foot in vhoejoe so she's halfway there.

>>57323686
Well summarized. Only part I doubt is that the pressure came from Cover for the Apex tourney. Rumours/speculations were that participants were reluctant to participate if Mikeneko was there because she is esssentially blacklisted by many Vs or ppl within the V industry.

>>57321684

>>57327346
True, they were flirting with her.

>>57323686
Oh and I also read that her participation wasn't even confirmed by the organizers. She and her team had only sent in an application and it got rejected lol

>>57327346
Haha mike you'd never be in a collab with us 2 years ago huh guess you'll just have to settle for eromatsuri since apexmatsuri kicked you out haha

>>57327573
EOP dramanigger retard
>>57327600
they initially gave her the green light to join but they took it back last minute

>>57326099
>I wish she could realize that her reputation as a "drama magnet" could go away if she actually just took things slow and steady, streamed consistently for a year or so without ANY major upsets or upheavals, neither within her fanbase nor to the public eye.
Never happening. Ever. It's just not possible for her. She is too mentally ill, impatient and desperate for that. You think someone who actively seeks out antis to sue them and argue with them is capable of something like that? Wishful thinking at best.
The fact that she thought participating in a major APEX tournament would magically make her poor reputation disappear says enough. Things like that take time and as I said she doesn't have the patience for it. She needs it to happen right when she wants it to, but that's not how the real world works.

>>57321565
kusa

Despite her hiatus, she followed up with a new streamer. She hasn't given up on her dream yet. We wish her all the best in her future endeavors.

>>57327240
The last point is so true that it makes me angry.

>>57321565
bro, just get a rope already

>>57327240
>>57328145
she has bipolar not narcissism, threadreader

>>57328305
Both disorders have some cross-over of symptoms

>>57323686
>her top donor refused and went silent on Twitter to the point he had to later announce he hadn't killed himself along with removing oshi marks and changing his profile picture
Did he drop her for real or is he back already?

>>57327241
Good. That's her punishment for being in a (former) relationship with Mafumafu

>>57328830
>former

>>57328636
I’m pretty sure you’re not a fucking psychiatrist, nevermind that you’re a dramanigger who’s never watched her

>>57321565
she's a neverending train wreck, like holy fuck, she needs an actual tardwrangler, someone to supervise her internet activities and to be RIGHT THERE by her side whenever potential drama happens just to slap mike and snap some sense into her before she escalates

>>57327346
Of course not they were just making funny jokes haha, don't get so mad brah.

>>57328805
Assuming that post is referring to who I think it is, he's still missing his oshi marks and profile picture and was missing for every stream since the announcement was made

>>57329096
Jesus christ calm down anon I know about it because I have bipolar. I never claimed anything about mikecat. sorry though

>>57321565
Why telling her directly when you can make another bait thread despite her being for 5 days so far in a break. Just move on and stop attention whoring.
>>57321684
This is a lie btw, it's full of posts insulting her.

>>57329072
she needs to be stabbed for having a relationship

>>57329107
>slap mike
Hot. Just like that Rushia fan art.

>>57323686
how much of this is actually true

>>57328805
>>57329199
He's not back yet, but don't kid yourself. You don't go from dropping $500 a day on some chick to having enough willpower to drop her forever

>>57329315
fine, just that unlike what catalogueshitters believe she’s actually quite open about being menhera and she never mentioned being diagnosed with narcissistic

>>57328805
>>57329199
Well, he did change everything and was missing for all the stream and even left the official fan discord server but he re-enter the discord server 2 days ago.
It feels like he's more clinging to some sort of apology from her and waiting for some sort of actual closure, more than anything.

I don't know how much of what anons said in this thread is true, but it made me realize I haven't seen the /るみな/ thread in a while. Seems the last thread was >>56863473 or >>56923179 depending on how you view it
Are fandead just hiding in their bunker again, or did they collectively agree to not make threads?

>>57330063
second. there's no point to them, they will be full or trolls, antis, disgruntled fans and hateful comments
>>57329602
that's the thing. when you're so deeply into it for years even when you get beaten up from time to time it's really hard to go away. And yes, this is why people don't break abusive relationships.

>>57330200
>they will be full or trolls, antis, disgruntled fans and hateful comment
I figured. At least the archive dive was interesting. Found a timestamp someone posted for the eromatsuri joke https://youtu.be/L-MvU3PFx84?t=3503
My sincere condolences fandead.

She and her career are unfixable, her fans (the paypigs, the ones who matter) are unfixable.
She would even go anti-parasocial or a NTR-tuber and she and/or her fans will go back to that toxic relationship they have.
She only will find peace when she stop streaming at all, but we all know she don't want peace.

>>57330200
She had previously accused him by name of threatening her with stopping his donations live during a Nazuna stream in front of 5000 Henya raid viewers just a few months ago. He ended up posting DMs with her proving he didn't do it and she tearfully apologized to him in a members only twitcast later that day with a viewership of maybe 100. Pretty sure she didn't even take down the Nazuna VOD. Abusive relationship really is the only way to describe it.

These people could save her by watching her streams and making up for the gachis that would leave, she could do all the homocollabs that she wants and they would have fun shipping her and watching her flirt. Will they?

>>57321565
I like her

>>57331032
Those people have never watched a stream in their lives and probably already moved on to complaining about Irys.

>>57329096
We've got a diehard fan here I see. Hope it works out for you somehow, but I don't think it will. Having her as your oshi will never make you happy, and you'll never make her happy either.

>>57321565

>>57330698
Sounds like The Menhera Experience to me, he's getting what he's paying for. But the reality is that her decisions are really bad and insane, and it's going to drive people away, both unicorns and casual fans.

>>57323686
Why did she turn on her overseas fans?

>>57331115
Unironically, EN gfe streamers like Irys and Nerissa know how to handle their needy audience and not get close. Mikhail kot sadly did not.

I pray for the nekofami and their physical manifestation of BPD that is their oshi

>>57331619
Most of her remaining outspoken gachikoi and unicorns are, or at least were, English speaking foreigners. Her JP fanbase has some, but they're quiet and won't actually openly oppose her. Her TW fans are all angry anti-unicorn Kson transplants. As a result, when she broke her promise the people sending angry superchats and doing stupid shit on Twitter were mostly her English speaking fans. After getting kicked from the tournament they were prime targets to scapegoat. The donor people mentioned above was also an American, so she may have already had some lingering resentment from him dropping her in her system.

>>57323686
>superchat her angry messages
This is really the funniest fucking part. They literally cannot stop giving her money.

>>57331708
Irys and Nerissa don't claim to be their audiences literal wife/girlfriend. With this bitch and her psycho fanbase it's not GFE, it's just GF through pure delusion.

>>57331619
The post really explains it already but in case you need crossing the dots, her changing her position and doing a male collab to enter an APEX tournament not only breaks a months longstanding promise but also involves a game the core overseas fans hates (for various reasons) that she's hopelessly addicted to (she was probably manic too to take this sudden decision)
Choosing both the game and the collab (not trying to justify her here, but it was the only team she could have gotten into really) over this core fans and suddenly felt like getting backstabbed basically for them and she knew this very well. Nonetheless she wanted to have her cake and eat it too (she didn't want to turn on them yet, wanted to keep both) so she tried this damage control measure because she probably expected them to maybe concede to her this time and be little yes-men like her core japanese gachis (that are hurt inside but still support her no matter what).
Them making a scene out of this already would put her in defensive mode like with her antis, but probably what made her madder were the ones choosing to just leave without saying a word because you can neither talk with them again to convince nor make an example out of them to the rest of your fanbase to convince them that they have become senseless antis.
Anyways, she got blacklisted out of the tournament before even starting for the reason described (and this has been cleared to everyone) and she became manic-depressive over not being to play her shit game to death,
not getting the recognition from the FPSfags normies community and in a tiny part of her she was already depressed/angry at her long-time overseas fans that supported her for so long, even in the very accident, leaving.
This is complicated mentally for her because she wants so hard to bunker down and think of herself as the victim as with many other things but it's difficult to do what when it involves top donos that have supported her a lot for years.
This is my especulation but i think even herself is aware that something doesn't feel completely right in doing that.
When the time of the twitcast came she, still in manic depression, just conflated her two personal conflicts that have nothing to do in common but it's easier for her to think that they're related somehow.

TL;DR: Both made her feel conflicted and bad, it was easier mentally to conflate both and blame the kaigais.

>>57332756
Pretty much

>>57321565
Rumors has it a mikecuck makes these bait threads cause he needs dose of dramafagging

Aki Heaven please come back and console that child

We Japanese forgive her for everything. Those overseas who cannot support what she wants to do are no better than antis.

>>57321565
>>57323686
>>57321942
i remember when his unicorn fans said they weren't antis just ''giving him advice''.
pffff fuck joke

>his

>>57334441
nah, he felt less grief than the gachis that can't let go.

>>57333051
How about

just not fucking play apex

>>57335195
Literal addict. Almost every major drama she's had involved Apex somehow. Even THE drama.

>>57335376
true, forgot about that having been in apex already. What is it about this game that attracts the nips so much? They weren't into Titanfall nor other BRs really like Fortnite or Warzone. So why Apex? Did Re:spawn hold a giant marketing campaign in Japan at some point or something?
>The titanfall game without titans, the reason people played the games, becomes their greatest success
I don't get it

Have faith Kson will fix her after she stops being sick with the flu

Feel bad for her but she keeps doing it to herself and only she can fix it. I don't feel bad for her fanbase especially the ones here and in hiding. It's hilarious because most of them would be "Oh, my wife loves me. You wouldn't know about love because you're a cuck for liking this (Holo/Niji) girl." You get what you deserve you losers. lmao

>>57335704
>What is it about this game that attracts the nips so much?
It is not too childish and casual like Valorant but also not too grim tryhard like CSGO.
Perfect middle ground for grooming shenanigans.

>>57335195
Trust me anon, the overseas gachi tried so hard many times to get her off that addiction but it's basically impossible because she puts her defence up when someone mentions it.
It's kinda her comfort game when she's dealing with other stressful situation and that grow into a addiction. She chooses to either ignore or dismiss comments of fans not wanting to see her play it.

The thing that baffles me the most is how did they manage to tard wrangle her for so long while she was at Cover? Because looking at her pre-Cover history, she's pretty much always been like this. Yet somehow Rushia was relatively stable and yab free, even if she was clearly a menhera.

>>57336887
To be fair, she had an experienced shitposter and a worldly former ol as close(?) friends and genmates in addition to a personal manager. I wager that helped in curbing some of her more destructive behavior. Still wasn't enough though.

>>57335738
kson is too busy gobbling pussy to care about mike

mike you retard

so it's unironically over this time, yeah?

>>57345922
looking like it, but what she says when she comes back is probably what will decide it
most of her fans don't expect her to apologize this time at all and simply act like she was before the break, and if that's what happens, it is truly over

>>57345922
Nope. There are still a few who just won't give up and even more will come back as soon as she does.

Who bitch this is?

>>57346929
>a few
there is like 2 out of 30ish people who show no signs or giving up at all(and one is the biggest autist + doesn't even donate), there's maybe 2 or 3 more who desperately want this situation resolved but are miserable and hopeless about it but want to at least try before they go
>even more will come back when she does
not if she's acts same way she did before, or pretends it didn't happen

>>57345922
it's not over yet, you know it is not.
However, Mike can still fuck it up even further and then it would be over, indeed.
We'll see when she comes back.

>>57345922
>>57348672
if it is actually over this song will become anthem of this arc.
https://youtu.be/D7KryjbrL_A?si=iMLW9aCTQ8z67mAM

>>57348655
I'm talking about what I'm seeing from her thread. Even Akhevan is trying to appeal to her.
>not if she's acts same way she did before, or pretends it didn't happen
That's exactly how they will go back. Even the mafumafu thing hasn't been properly explained brcause it can't be. The only way forward is to pretend it didn't happen.

>>57350078
She already explained about that freakish alien mafu to us. You either are not a fandead or a nekofami from the early days supporting, encouraging, and fighting for her. You sick fucks should just leave us alone.

>>57350680
and then, she told you guys to not get involved or that he wasn't really important?

>>57350680
Yea bitch if you weren't supporting her 1.5 years ago and missed the unarchived twitcast then you aren't a real fan

>>57350680
She said she wanted romance. She never explained that shit.
Now it's clear as day that she was always lying.

>>57350680
i was paying attention and i never saw her say anything aside from legal issues not letting her

I'll use this thread to ask something I've been curious about. Why does she have two separate personas? Why is she both Mikeneko and Nazuna?

>>57351172
It was also briefly summarized in the thread for those who missed it retard. It's was repeated a few more times thereafter. If you were there with us and missed out on that information I'm not saying oh too bad and shit if that's how you took my words because I certainty wasn't saying that. Some anon's even used it on anti's when they would try to talk shit on her about that alien freak to "own them" with the truth instead of what I would do which was laugh at these pieces of shits.

>>57351972
She always had Mikeneko as her personal account. Nazuna is her Vshojo one, but Mikeneko is the one where she'd do behind the scenes chatting and stuff.

>>57352231
If it's so explained then tell us now. You guys always cloak this shit in vague secrecy that just sounds like cope and convinces nobody.

>>57352231
nta, so was it nothing or was it important at the end?, the alien freak i mean

>>57352324
Oh, I always assumed she created Mikeneko after she got booted from Hololive. If it was always her non-corpo account it makes sense that she would create a separate identity for her contract with Vshojo. Thanks, anon.

>>57333051
I have never seen a more desperate case of needing marriage and consecutive pregnancies. Every year this woman stays single is a step towards batshit crazy cat lady spinsterhood.

>>57352590
It was the account she had before she joined Hololive. When she did, it went mostly inactive, and then when she got terminated she started using it again so she could interact with her fans again.

>>57352386
What's wrong with that? Mind your own fucking business. We're not part of your daily dose of drama and shit. This is between her and us. Leave us the fuck alone.

>>57352997
I'm a nekofami, I just don't see what you're talking about unless it's that discord towa shit. It just sounds like you're making it up because if it was such a good explanation people would've mentioned it already. If there is an explanation for mafu2 I would love to hear it so I can put that behind me.

>>57353071
Dude, you're not intelligent are you? Do you fucking see the state we are in right now on a fucking thread full of anti's and shit? The fuck is wrong with you? Just because you're desperate about that fucking freak doesn't mean I'll give in to your cheap ass attempt to wound my almost non-existent ego and manipulate me into divulging the information you seek. Fuck you for even trying that angle weak ass shit. I hope to God you don't do that to Mikechan.

>>57353492
ok, so no proof

>>57321565
She played a videogame with men, Jesus Christ

>>57354156
she didnt even get a chance to play lmao
literally just almost did

>>57321684
There was nothing to have to forgive you fucking psychopath

>>57321565 Kson was kind enough to give her a home in vshojo but she would rather collab with 2 men than henya. I can understand why gen3 gave no fucks when she got fired.

if her homo partners were the top niji jp brotubers or the top indies like virual gorilla it couldve been a surprise or acceptable unironically even if some of her fans had a meltdown. the problem is they were literal nobodies and whats more obvious apex cretins with host avatars.

>>57354555
The problem is none of the big time respectable people will touch her with a 10 foot pole so this is the only people she could get. Which sucks because of how they treated her too.

>>57353492
>"It's even used against antis to shut hem up!"
>"Anon what the fuck is WRONG with you!?!?! This thread is full of antis! Ehy do you think I would say it here right now!?"

>>57354039
If you're the same anon replying to me above I'll take it to mean you're one of those mf's anti's pretending to be one of us. That alone tells me what type of low life loser I'm dealing with that you'd go that far in a matter that has nothing to do with you.

>>57354930
she couldve made friends with a big indie player like tomari, whos one of ksons friends, if she dedicated herself into building a new network and or tamaki wouldve willingly introduced some trustworthy males to her but she didnt do such a thing. the first impression is the last impression. nobody trusts apex nobodies with host avatars.

>>57355437
She never explained shit and wanted to have sex with mafumafu.

>>57355437
what the fuck are you talking about
youre acting like this explanation makes her look WORSE

>>57355528
unfortunately her mania makes her unable to maintain any consistent long term plans and she gives in to impulse and the quick easy path

>>57321565
Use her name, please, so you don't dodge my filters. Thank you

>>57354555
>acceptable unironically even if some of her fans had a meltdown
eh, acceptable maybe in terms of doing it, but not acceptable to lash out at those fans for criticizing her for breaking her promise. Especially when she herself often asks promises from fans and has meltdowns when they aren't kept. If you hurt your fans knowingly, you should at least have the good grace to accept that their negative reactions are justified.

>>57336887
>how did they manage to tard wrangle her for so long while she was at Cover?
Judging by sankisei's reaction to her graduation they were all sick as hell of dealing with her crap by that point and didn't really mind seeing her go

>>57357280
lmao what??? marine and pekora both had sore throats from crying, flare later said she was sad but hiding it as an entertainer, and noel said so too

>>57336887
It's likely that what sent her off the rails even further was the firing from Hololive. In Hololive she had a gen to support her, management to take care of things for her and keep her in check, big numbers, her name was mostly spotless and she was backed by a big corpo, all of that probably kept her menhera in check.
Now she is sacked and an indie, so she only has one manager, has a fraction of her viewers, she either is isolated of self-isolates and her name and personal brand are in the mud, especially after this APEX disaster.
The fact that she had to basically make a Pink Rushia shows that she wants despertately to go back to those glory days, but those are gone, that's the thing that she should learn first, she will never reach the same heights or be Rushia again.

>>57357280
They all loved her. Marine is still best friends with her.

>>57357638
Right, the big corporate box helps because they just handle everything for her and all she has to do is stream when she wants.

>>57323686
> invites her big donors to a discord call
This alone is more than enough to move on. That’s exactly what every e-thot does. She stopped being an idol and became a full-fledged e-thot.
The worst part is that during Rushia’s fall she was found out doing stuff like that through Twitter DMs.

>>57323686
Big donors were not the only ones in that call. There were some that I have never seen donate more than 5$ or anything at all

>>57358090
there were people who never donated in the call and the rushia DM thing just shows she cares and is nice to her fans, you are retarded

>>57357638
Whats sad and funny is that Apex homo collabing is literally the worst way possible of going back to the glory. Its no different from committing suicide. Maybe she was overly encouraged and manipulated by those homos. Its obvious that they'd had lots of precommunications and off stream multiplayer matches/practices.

>>57358287
Yeah she can only make bad choices if someone manipumates her into it. She has no free will of her own outside of loving her fans.

>>57358287
> Its obvious that they'd had lots of precommunications and off stream multiplayer matches/practices.
No they did not. There are schizos who track her every move to confirm that was not the case

Why are we time looping this crazy cunt 2 years later?

>>57323686
>can accrue a small fortune to retire off of by the age of 40 by simply showing up and not doing 2 things; be addicted to apex and collab with men
>can't even handle that much
menhera women really are something special

>>57358480
because she initiated the loop by repeating her mistakes

>>57358480
Mikefags takes after their oshi trapped in a continous never ending cycle of their own personal hell that they created. They crave attention whether it be negative or postive they just want to be the center of it all and preferably them playing the victim. Any attempts to snap them reality will result in them branding you as an anti or harraser

>>57358287
its just literal mental illness making judgment totally shot

>>57358090
see >>57358208
The only reason the call was small was because the person she trusted to gather anybody who deserved to be there(i.e. gachikoi who might have an issue with it) was 1) given that request upon super short notice by her(she herself was already manic and was clearly uncomfortable with the idea even then but settled on it as a whim) 2) was retarded in how he went about gathering the relevant people due to paranoia of not letting in too many people
There was unironically no actual favoritism by her in this case, at least not intentionally. She wanted to address all the unicorns, but a combination of factors turned what was honestly probably one of the few sincere efforts of hers during this clusterfuck into yet another contributing factor to the eventual devastation
As someone who was there for the whole ride more or less, and despises favoritism as a concept because I want her to love her fans period, that attempt at parlay was the least bad thing she did. If I wanted to bother defending any decision she made during this, the attempt to actually speak to her gachikoi and unicorns is probably the only one I would be able to. IDK what that says about the situation as a whole to you but I am speaking objectively as possible here

>>57321684
>we
Kill yourself, cuck.

>>57358287
I think she just saw the oppotunity to kill two birds with one stone. She is addicted to APEX, so when this big APEX tournament with all the popular e-celebs shows up, she obviously wanted in, and if she gets in, then she could also clean her name in the meantime and help get her name out there, and she was so laser-focused she had to do this by any way neccesary, so she joined the two dudes even when her fanbase was mostly against it.
Now, because of her focusing on the end and not the means, she is in hiatus, everyone knows not to associate with her much because of her blacklisting, her fanbase is in disarray and when she comes back she will probably have lower numbers and with one, two or three big donors down. It's like those Fallout critical failures it all exploded in her face.

>>57358287
>manipulated by those homos
Unironically kys.

>>57358808
nta, so manipulated into accepting her and her fans being shit talked about?, this doesn't add up

>>57358769
It really was an absolutely catastrophic string of failures
absolutely every single choice she made during this situation backfired on her. Worsened her reputation, lost a chunk of fans, lowered remaining fan morale/engagement, lost several big donors, destroyed her emotional state, got used as a lolcow for publicity, and she still has big donor unicorns remaining so it's not like she is "free" or whatever either(whatever that's supposed to mean)
All she has done is harmed herself and people who cared about her in multiple different ways
Not a single bright spot exists for her, and if she had only chosen her promise to her fans instead of risking everything out of desperation, she would still be plodding along with those 3-5k CCV YouTube streams and gradually rebuilding public perception of her
Literally none of this needed to happen

>>57321565
If only her "fans" didn't anti her away from Vshojo.

>>57359263
if only Vshojo and "close fans" didn't anti her away from their own company

>>57359314
close friends*

>>57359314
They never did that, retard.
Just watch Henya being cute and adoring when she talks about Nazuna.

>>57359393
They did tho in several ways, most notably preventing her from joining the VA agency and robbing her of a gig they wanted her for.
Why don't you ask Henya why she doesn't want to collab with Mikeneko, not Nazuna?

>>57359263
If she had still been active as Nazuna, I think this situation might've gone differently, that's for sure. She will still join the tournament, she will, probably, still get blacklisted, but since she went with 2 other girls (Kson and Henya), the blow to her fanbase would be much more softer.

>>57359463
wait did she have to quit vshojo to join the agency? i thought she can still stream as nazuna

>>57359463
They didn't do that. She joined without any issue on Vshojo's part.
And they don't mind collabing with Mikeneko either, Kson did it more than once.
Not sure if Henya even knows it but the problem is clearly not with her.

Meanwhile in VShojoland we had a great time with a wonderful concert in which Nazuna took part performing a funny skit with Kson, singing a solo song for us then a duet original song with Kson made by YUC'e, before taking part in the group finale. And this was after seeing her 3D showcase which was totally not supposed to be her 1 year anniversary video delayed where she showed off her cute model, sang songs, did more skits, had some congratulations from coworkers, then fell into a pit.

We're enjoying life with our PettAngel over here. Enjoying things is kind of a good feeling. You should try that!

>>57359463
Wtf you talking about she literally joined that va agency as rootio ria or whatever new bipolar personality she calls herself these days. Vshojo has no legal power on any fucking country no matter what law your schzio brain comes up with to stop mikeneko from doing what she wants. Vshojo does not own her ip…
Not even nazuna

>>57359553
kson would never be allowed at a jp mainstream event like that, especially if there's vspo or niji members there

>>57359463
Dude kson collabs with mikeneko you dumbass
Henya wont collab with mike coz she cant even collab with nazuna because your mental retard multiple personality disordered whore wont even speak to her

>>57359644
It's more likely she doesn't know who Mike is.

>>57359557
She didnt quit as nazuna dumbass. She just said she wont stream as often. How else would she be in the fucking concert. Think keyfag think how are you this mentally retarded

>>57359618
Better to be rejected with Kson and Henya than to be rejected with those 2 male sex pests

>>57359560
>>57359596
She was going to join VA agency in January when she debuted her new model and released first original song. VShojo blocked her from doing that.
Kson collabed with her but Henya does not want to collab with her as Mikeneko. By the time Henya joined VShojo she had already given up on Nazuna because of stuff like VA incident in January

>>57359644
she spoke with her and requested to collab as mike

>>57359776
>>57359819
>believing those rrats
It's so tiresome.

>>57359553
One of the two males she collabed with was the one who got the invite in the first place. And he asked for a third on twitter. She basically couldn't have attempted to join without him.

>>57359618
That is true actually, but at least the spotlight would be on Kson and Nazuna in this case, so the shock could lessen a bit for her, it wasn't just her fault, it was Kson and Nazuna's fault, and I imagine Kson and Henya trying to cheer her up and just doing an APEX stream with her to compensate for not getting into the tournament.
But, in reality, the spotlight on being blacklisted fell completely on her, so I imagine that shocked her hard and she already commited to joining with 2 guys and announced it, so the blow to her fanbase was done as well.

>>57359850
>rrats
It is what she herself said, anon.

>>57359819
Lol no dont even make up shit ive watched every fucking henya stream

>>57359890
Oh, I see. This a bit of info I didn't have, thanks anon.

>>57359915
You are misunderstanding. Mike requested to collab with Henya as Mikeneko

>>57359914
Why do you keyfags love to make up shit in your head like your oshi

>>57321565
You fags are all phsycotic and hope it hurts when you finally kys.

>>57359964
Henya is always open to collabs.. she even collabed with fefe of all people and henya has been trying to get to nazuna since she debuted for a collab i dont think henya is at fault here anon. This is entirely on nazuna/mike’s side

>>57359955
The other small bit of info you should know is that he's a 2 view clout chasing drama nigger who almost certainly picked Mike because she was the name among those who applied that he knew he could milk the most. She not particularly good at Apex, after all. And he's been milking the drama non-stop(literally unironic cuckposting on his sub account). I think 5ch pointed out that he was literally meming on her on main a few hours ago, too.

>>57359972
It's not made up, it's literally what she said months ago about the VA agency, long before she could officially join in July after her contract had lapsed and she had gotten a new one
>>57360074
Henya doesn't interact with Nazuna but Mikeneko, she differentiates between the two and does not want to collab with Mikeneko

>>57359776
And what, VShojo just changed their minds six months later? You dipshits will believe anything.

>>57360161
>>57360113

>>57323686
What a shitshow

>>57360196
And you're the only fandead spouting this nonsense why? You fags hate VShojo, but this is the first I'm hearing this rubbish.

I can see Henya not wanting to catch tourist flak from interacting with mike in mike form, honestly exactly because of the reputation she'd hoped to fix
I can also see two autists completely misunderstanding one another in a conversation about a potentially touchy subject

>>57360113
When the fuck did henya say that schizo chama i dont even think she knows mike exists.

Sorry but i have watched every single stream of henya and stali her twitter. She has never mentioned anything about mike not even once let alone refuse on something she has no idea about. Henya isnt the type to refuse collabs shes too much of a sweetheart to do so.
Dude seriously you need to take some crazypills you literally are making shit up inside your head and outright convincing yourself

>>57360313
Bro im just tired of keyfags just being stuck in their own made up reality and blaming everyone else everytime their whore does a yab every fucking week

>>57360298
Plenty of anons have been talking about the VA thing for months. What are you on about?
>>57360313
>>57360397
The Henya stuff hasn't been mentioned before because the general rule is to not unnecessarily create more drama by bringing up other vtubers that refuse to interact with her as Mike due to her awful reputation and rampant antis. That would only hinder the cause of her trying to rebuild her reputation and prevent more people from potentially collabing with her.
>if even she doesn't want to collab with her... I better not either

>>57358589
Well, I don't have reasons to doubt you. As I said I just hate favoritism based on money.
I've seen very, very dedicated fans (not really talking about hers) who really care and do their oshikatsu that don't deserve to be 2nd class citizens just because there are 5 oil barons, and prefering the oil barons only because of money is just being a whore and 100% not idol behavior. I know she's not an idol anymore but I still don't like that behavior in general.

>>57360094
If that last part is true, then she really put her reputation and fanbase in the hands of the wrong people. They will kick her while she's down, and she basically laid in the floor for them to kick.
This is some really unfortunate decision making by Mikeneko.

>>57358899
She has her own head on the shoulders. Saying she was manipulated or tricked takes away accountability of what she is doing. She isn't a child, she is a veteran of vtubing industry

>>57360609
Amidst the sea of shit that has been constantly been thrown at her she has begone to assume everyone who is reaching out a hand to her is doing so in good faith

I feel bad for her fans and it only gets worse with time

>>57360609
She does not look up people.
The APEX collab with Kson and Muramako was originally supposed to include another vtuber, a man who uses a female model.
When, ironically, this was pointed out to her by her anti unicorn fans she immediately dropped the guy from the collab and asked one of the other 2 to participate so the whole collab would not be canceled.
If she had bothered to look up the guys from the tournament she would have realized that one of them's main gig is treating women like shit, making fun of feminists and sexually harassing his female collab partners or his viewers who call in oder send submit pictures of themselves under the guise of comedy

>>57359964
If she's continuing with this behaviour nobody will want to collab with her anymore

>>57361069 (me)
>If she had bothered to look up the guys from the tournament she would have realized that one of them's main gig is treating women like shit, making fun of feminists and sexually harassing his female collab partners or his viewers who call in oder submit pictures of themselves under the guise of comedy
Which is even funnier considering many of Mike's views very much align with feminism and one of her main complains about antis and being a streamer is the huge amount of sexual harassment she has to put up with

>>57361069
You are ao full of copium you end up lying to yourself
Face it fancuck she wants to do GFE and milk you faggots dry while she spends her time hanging out and fucking space aliens and femboys in apex

>>57329199
Kek he should change his profile pic to Delutaya just to piss her off.
How long until Mikek starts suicide baiting on twitter again and picking fights with other vtubers again?

>>57361298
Her fans already did pre emptively LMAO they all started spamming on twitter pics of their slit up open wrists lol

>>57361347
The viewers truly reflect the streamer. Mikek and her fancucks deserve each other.

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me

>>57361907
Twice? Dude shes been doing this for YEARS

>>57323686
>>57326099
>>57332157
>>57333051
man I'm glad my wife is a different kind of schizo
not sure how she feels about all this though

Fandeads have to be the stupidest fucking fans in hololive.

>>57327346
>>57327739
>Mikeneko Defense Force Assemble!
Lmao shes never going to fuck you guys

i can tolerate menehra shit but apex trash is out of hand. much less apex homos.

>>57362173
I briefly wondered what shondo was thinking about this
my guess; trying to do what the rest of us are, trying to not think about it as much as possible until she comes back and see how it plays out from there

>>57362571
The actual mikeneko fans here are the ones who are upset but trying to give "fair" takes because they're depressed, angry, but don't want to be assholes about it.
What the dude you quoted is doing is worse than defending Mike. He is defending two Japanese fuckbois. Which is worse and also probably gay.

>>57362734
is she a rushia fan?

LEAVE.

MY GIRLFRIEND.

AND HER NEW BOYFRIENDS.

ALONE.

>>57363042
rushia is her oshi and inspiration

>>57362820
Actual mikeneko fans are the biggest assholes I had the displeasure of interacting with on this board

>>57363458
shondo……..

>>57363608
but I'm usually nice...I don't usually say she's my oshi or have a reason to though

>>57323686
KEK
GFE watchers are the biggest fucking losers

>>57364301
this whole board is gfe in denial, look at the EN homo angst

>>57324040
>and the dudes made jokes about her getting fired from hololive and how the only tournament she would be allowed to participate in is a sex tournament
holy fuck my sides

>>57353492
>no proof then

>>57355437
unholy levels of copium some don't even anti her here what the fuck are you on about

>>57352386
that's because it is

>>57329107
problem is to get a tardwrangler you needs a good social status for someone to be willing to stay around to wrangle or be willing to pay someone even if they go against you.
if social pressure from her fans cant even keep her in line i doubt anyone in her life can either, especially if she has to pay them, shed probably refuse to pay if they piss her off.

>>57364416
/vt/ is my girlfriend, you can't tell me otherwise

>>57355437
t.schizo

>>57354468
have a (You) for pointing that out

>>57364514
Oh how the mighty prime gfetuber has fallen

>>57324040
Is he wrong?

>>57321684
I remain a loyal fandead.

>>57321684
>we

>>57365016
t. 14 year old

>>57365496
what

>>57357739
That's not true fancuck, they never were friends

fp is aimed at people who were watching her before this happened I'm pretty sure
but >we is still wrong even then, though

>>57324040
She can salvage this. I have a plan of action she can follow:
>become a slutty vtuber
>do lewd asmr and content
>eventually move to IRL lewd stuff
>become a camgirl-vtuber hybrid, switch it up from virtual to 3D and sell sex content for both while also reminding everyone you used to be Rushia
>meet up with fans IRL, have a secret HARDCORE HIGH ROLLER paypig-only discord where she can arrange for them to fuck her, either individually or as a group

She can make so much money and get so much cock, it would be unreal. She should at least consider following some of those points. The golden opportunity is there, the whole innocent gfe is simply gone for her and she has to adapt.

>>57366411
even cam girls lose business when they have men involved

you guys seem intellectual, why stick with this menhera?

>>57323686
This is the curse of the unicorns. Only Marine has broken free of it.

>>57366884
>Marine has broken free of it
lol

>>57324040
>One thing I forgot is she did a Apex stream with the 2 male teammates even after being removed just to spite her unicorns and the dudes made jokes about her getting fired from hololive and how the only tournament she would be allowed to participate in is a sex tournament
It wasn't an Apex stream. They did an announcement stream to explain and make light fun (it wasn't) of the situation. The rest is correct. They just repeated every joke the antis say to make fun of her:
>the termination
>no future but sex industry
>cursed person that nobody wants to be seen or work with
>made of her content and unicorns
>and so on
One portion of her fans were laughing while silently grinding their teeth to make it less awkward and for her not to feel bad about it. A large and influential portion is unironically celebrating these guys, purely because they made fun of unicorns. These fans don't care about her feelings anymore or never have, any sacrifice is worth it as long as unicorns get hurt. Her biggest fanartist admitted as much a while ago on her fanbox exclusive twitter account:
>I don't care if it hurts her / is bad for her career. I just hate unicorns.
To them she is nothing but a tool to wage war against unicorns.

I could tell you why, but it would sound ridiculous to anybody on the outside looking in that hasn't spent as much time and effort analyzing her and the circumstances around her for years in real time. And it's not like I can simply zap years worth of untangling the schizo web of her life into your brain with my answer. If you still want to know the answer itself I can tell you, but I'm far too depressed rn and cbf to give you a layout of events and how I use them to justify my conclusion.

>>57367510
Naruhodo.

>>57323686
damn. i used to joke about her fall from grace but now i just feel sorry for her

Following Mike's quest taught me a new word in Japanese: 炎上商売

>>57369737
Kek

>>57323686
>proceeds to blame overseas fans
blame for what?

>>57367475
>To them she is nothing but a tool to wage war against unicorns.
Homobeggars are the same everywhere, huh?

>>57369737
honestly, is it even really 売 if it isn't even intentional
and also it loses her money every time lmao

>>57367510
Take your time and do a pastebin post laters. Anything that can shed some light on Mikeneko is beneficial

>>57370998
>it isn't even intentional
I guess we just have to disagree on that.

>>57366411
Thats what happened last time, this is what shes been doing for a year, she just blew it on this too.

>>57370486
Probably giving her false hope they could be the boost to return her to relevancy after losing a segment of her JP fans.

>>57366884
???

>>57366884
no this is the curse of having a menhera oshi with unicorn fans
>>57370486
for complaining probably.
though im sure it wasnt just her foreign fans who hated it, just japanese society hates others being loud about their complains so most stay quiet when there are problems.

>>57371251
>japanese society hates others being loud about their complains so most stay quiet when there are problems.
And then nothing changes. I wonder if the Japanese fans who are also mad appreciate that the foreigners air them and take the heat at the same time, or if they'd actually prefer it stays unsaid.

>>57371384
The Japanese fans slowly and quietly leave. She asked many times for fans to not do that and instead speak about their worries and complains.
Anyone who tried to got attacked and ratiod by the anti-unicorns because a few individuals could not do that in a reasonable manner. Such as the retard who cut his wrist. For them every unicorn is like that schizo.

>>57370486
Abayo mai niga

>>57331032
they might watch but theyre not going to spend a dime so they might as well do nothing anyway

She followed Odanobu. She is steadily developing a passion for FPS competitions. We wish her all the best in her future endeavors.

>>57329096
>this angry about someone stating knowledge you dont have to be a doctor to know

>>57329742
She has done WAY too much that check boxes of obvious narcissisms traits to not have doubts about it. keep being delusional tho. oh btw, narcissists are really good at talking about having problems and get pity from others, but they never acknowledge the narcissism or try to get help for it. theyre likely to get help for other issues but never the main problem.

>>57372570
>She asked many times for fans to not do that and instead speak about their worries and complains.
That would be based, but it only works if you follow up by welcoming those who actually speak up.

>>57372570
>The Japanese fans slowly and quietly leave. She asked many times for fans to not do that
It's all her own fault at this point. She's doesn't deserve anything from her fans.

>>57321684
>we
roru
rumao

>>57361347
*one of them, the most unhinged of them all