/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>5714698
pain

>>5714698
risk averse to the point of being detrimental
i hate managerial staff so fucking much

>>5714698
I think they care more about marketing and showcasing their 3D rigs than literally anything else.

>>5714698
>I'll do it myself
based gorilla

>>5714698
Cover doesn't care about Hololive

>>5714698
Understandable. Some artists do be lazy and won't make it in time.
It was amazing how Kanata could compose a great song in time.

>>5715191
Word. Kanata's tongue and Coco's cunt were meant to be together.

>>5714698
I mean if you want to hire a professional to do the job you will have to wait until they are free since the good ones are always busy with previous works

>>5714698
Sasuga, pretty primate tenshi

>>5714698
>they won't make it in time
aka. they don't want to spend money for overtime work
This is a graduation event known by the management ahead of time.
I hate management on every company so goddamn much bros.

>>5714698
I'm glad Kanata made the song herself. It has that unique charm and definitely carries the soul of 4th Gen

>>5718278
Yeah, that's the thing. Cover could have hired the best people for the job and with Japanese artists they are usually always ready to accept priority projects with some extra payment. But they hid behind an excuse.

Makes me wonder about Coco's new outfit and her original song... Was this stuff long in the works where Cover would have been just as happy to let it go to waste but Coco herself decided to pay up to get it done before graduation?

Either way, I guess I am happy Kanata did it herself because that makes it better than what anyone else could have thrown out but at least a minimum amount of support from Cover would not have gone a-miss.

>>5714698
Then yagoo proudly retweets the song on twitter as if he did anything. Stop idolising these corporate dicks. No dignity.

You want something done, do it yourself

everyone should know this that middle managements job is to sip coffee in conference room and wave hands while talking about nothing for 3 hours

>>5719766
ieddit cucks still suck yagoos tiny dick for every small thing he does

>>5714698
Yagoo is a pimp, pimps let the girls do all the work for him.

>>5720970
Tbh I don't think he even knows what's up. Holostars are his pet project and I believe he is far removed from the day to day running of the idol agency part, focusing on tech stuff and being used as a random fashion model for the meme

>>5724259
Even if he doesn't micromanage, he still has responsibilities as a CEO, fucker should have fired a bunch of people going as far as the copyright apocalypse, instead he just sits there pretending he's playing Indolmaster in real life while middle management fucks the company up

>>5714698
They don't have to do anything so they don't.
But don't worry they'll still take their cut and restrict your oshi.

>>5727838
Shut up chink

>>5727838
Its really hard to fire someone in Japan, to a fault. That's why this bullying people out tactic even exists in the first place.

Because smor indie groupu purease undastando

>>5728460
Small start-up firm with zero experience in entertainment please understand. That doesn't make it any better but is even truer.

>finally releases an original 4th gen song
>copyrighted by Cover
>Cover gets the money
pretty 'brilliant' move I'd say

If the normal timeline for song production takes months they have to communicate this in order to set proper expectations. Shit management would tell you it's totally daijobu then the song doesn't get made in time at all.

>>5719222
Ogey

>>5729000
It was for coco

>>5729028

Truly good management would probably have set down with Kanata, and walked her through the obstacles she would need to overcome to meet the deadline, and what Kanata has to be prepared to do,

Of course, we don't know if that's what happened behind the scenes once Kanata decided "Fine, I'd do the lyrics and compose myself" if the obstacle is getting a lyricist/composer on time, but she did manage to find an arranger and an illustrator and MV maker to work on the song on time.

Cover could be useless of course, and did nothing to help Kanata to find an illustrator/arranger/MV maker, but if Kanata had literally produced the whole project herself as lead producer down to sourcing for the illustrator/arrange/MV Maker... I kneel to her powers as a Producer. She's in the wrong line of work, she shouldn't be an idol, she should be a producer to Idols.

Here's the thing you all don't understand: management is old.

I worked a job where I automated shit IN EXCEL because they didn't want me using external software. What happened? Mad at me saying I'm risking bad outcomes by not doing it all by hand.
Wait for boomers to croke. As sad as it is many can't handle acknowledging they need to put their ego aside.

>>5714698
I looked up this image and, of course, the first result is Reddit. Did you seriously go on Reddit, take a picture from the first page and then came back to post it here?

>>5727838
Here's the problem: YAGOO fires all the incompetent staff members and rebuilds that whole section of the company to better suit the talents, but what do you think the fired people will do? Do you really thing they'll shut up and accept they were a detriment to the company? No, they would obviously start shitting on the company publicly, and it would create a massive PR incident since most people, specially in the west, are more likely to side with the worker than the corp, even if the worker is actually (intentionally or unintentionally) sabotaging the company. Why do you think there are so many HR horror stories out there?

>>5715097
my sides
>>5715572
I thought the rrat was that Kanata pulled her personal connections to make it happen on time?
>>5719222
>Mel's manager
>Aloe's manager
>Lamy's manager
>JEnMa
>Oopsie anti=mods!
>INNK on Sui
>Watame's manager
Yeah...the best people for the job.

>>5729757
Yes he did, and probably was one of those downvoted for blasting Cover management hard for their incompetence, got shouted down, then ran to VT to complain.

>>5729511
You shouldn't worry about it so much. Kanata is a big girl who can handle her own projects and the song ended up being better for it.

>>5715097

>>5729953
Oh I'm not worried, Kanata proved her mettle yet again with this challenge. This song has more heart than most of Bloom or Phasmatic Magic in my unpopular opinion.

In fact, the less Cover supported her, the more it suggests how impressive Kanata is to be able to produce a whole song from her networks, without management aid.

>>5714698
Cover management is fucking awful, Yagoo is fucking awful. If the girls had DECENT management they would take over the world. But this fucking company does the bare minimum for them.

>>5714698
Why would Cover give her special attention just because Coco is graduating? It's obvious 1 month is actually not enough if you want to release quality product.

>>5714698
Well management was right, no song composer accepted to do the job in such a rush, thus why kanata composed it herself.

>>5714698
they have no soul, fuckers only care about numbers

>>5714698
They're betas.

>>5730136
Except she did release a quality project. So Cover is either too incompetent to put together something Kanata managed on her own, or they simply don't care.

>>5714698
>I’ll do it myself
Based tenshi

>>5730303
>Except she did release a quality project
It's not really.

>>5730136
It wasn't one month. She started three months ago, when Coco told everyone behind the scenes she was graduating.
She talked about working with people and couldn't tell them Coco was graduating while also emphasizing how she wanted it done by July 1st.

>>5715097
Unironically true.

>>5730303
Or Kanata is just this awesome of a producer. Who needs a Producer anyway?

>>5730061
>>5730079
>>5730136
They actually did the bare minimum of not getting in the way. All prior to graduation arc, they've been actively against her. So hard. Company policy please understand

>>5730369
I'm pretty sure she talked about doing it in month, I mean the recordings weren't that long ago.

>>5730341

It's a cliche as hell Idol graduation song compositionally speaking, that shamelessly rips off the structure of BokuHira and other Idol hell songs of it's ilk. Kanata after all came up with it in two hours and spent many more days agonizing over the lyrics instead.

>>5730303
then you clearly know shit about how mixing works

>>5730490
I would add to my comment however, that it did its barebones Powerpoint grade job, and it was the lyrics that really were the part that gave it soul.

Lets be honest: Shit like that is most likely the reason Coco is leaving, she obviously has the vision of taking this V-tuber thing to the mainstream world-wide and Cover has been hitting the brakes or sabotaging her at every turn.
They are way to content in their little otaku-niche.

>>5730447
The recordings were going on until last week. The MV wasn't finished until the day before premiere. Fuckers have no idea how tight the timeline was.

>>5730490
>Generic idol song is generic
I

>>5729810
>Lamy's manager
>Watame's manager
What did they do or not do?

>>5730632
ogey

>>5730760
Kanata has a gift for em, she should keep churning them out. It's free charting on the Oricon charts, and allows her to do her producer reps.

I think this explains why the music video was so low quality.

>>5730856
It's scuffed, and so perfect for Kanata's debut as a producer.

>>5730770
Watame's manager got people who performed with Porno Graffitti for her original song, maybe he's talking about that.

>>5730770
Lamy's first manager told her that she should hold back on collabs outside of gen5 because she wasn't compatible with any of her senpai

Watame's manager knows so little about her that they thought that an oppai mousepad would be out of character for her despite all the Wataoji moments.

>>5729757
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/o8sf8w/_/
I'm going to guess OP is one of the downvoted comments

>>5730061
Is that actually an unpopular opinion? The song's reception (particularly the lyrics) has been great.

>>5730886
Funny thing is, by Cover inactivity and passiveness, holos are achieving new assets and skills that in the end will help them be more confident in themselves and their abilities. Slowly but surely they realize that working for Cover brings little to no benefits for personal growth.

>>5731027
I wasn't aware of Lamy's, but forgot about Watame's manager saying, "You're not that kind of character". It's like they'd never watched her streams. On the other hand though they managed to get Porno Graffiti(One of Watame's favourite bands) to perform her song for her like >>5730942
said. Hard to say Watame's manager is terrible even if they made a shit call on an oppai mousepad.

>>5731176
I'm glad oppai mousepad didn't happen because what the fuck would I do with it?

>>5731290
Stick your dick between it and pretend watame is giveing you a pazuri.

>>5731290
It's particularly helpful if your wrist is usually sitting up against a rough surface while you use your mouse, but I can see not wanting one if that's not the case for you or you just don't care about that.

>>5731290
I'd rather have Waki mousepad from Watame.

>>5730824
>allows her to do her producer reps
That's gonna be tough when she goes deaf.

>>5731468
I guess that would be a better novel item.

>>5731491
Only in one ear I thought? It will definitely put a hard limit to her singing career, but probably still could be worked around for her composition career.

>>5714698
Basically all the songs, videos and concerts are paid by the talents. Susei and Watame have commented on the little support they get from cover.

>>5731587
There's a chance it progresses to her other ear, that's how Meniere's sometimes goes. Hopefully it never happens.

>>5714698

They are a Japanese company working within a new industry/technology

Seriously some of the most assbackward cowards in business who will take no accountability and run everything through several layers of bureaucracy.

It really is frustrating.

>>5731597
I get the sense they are going to face serious difficulties holding on to their musically oriented talents down the line due to this pain point.

>>5731597
>Basically all the songs, videos and concerts are paid by the talents.
What is doing Cover with the money then?

>>5731616
Hopefully, but I can see Kanata staying as a producer far longer than as a singer or idol. Not necessarily as her current reincarnation, but it won't surprise me she goes down an Aki Hata route.

Holos suffer from Stockholm syndrome.

>>5714698
its normal you fucking amateurs. you all dont understand music production at all. it takes much time if you make and finish it up in a normal way of writing a song, recording vocals, and editing/DAWing it, asking audio engineers to mix and master it.

>>5731689
HoloALT

>>5731689
Pay the managers and all the non talent workers? It's still fishy because one would think all the merchandise would generate plenty of money.

>>5714948
You'd think that they'd realize by focusing on the talents, they would be marketing and showcasing how much they care about doing the best for their talents and thus their fans.

>>5731821
Talent gets salary too also they get to do their 3D shows for free.

>>5729810
>JEnMa

What did they do again?

>>5731689
Did you forget when Yagoo flexed in business insider article that they managed to accumulate so much money that they can stay afloat for several years doing nothing. They just hoarding money, investment, innovation??? What's that?

>>5731821
Cover's merch game is notoriously poor still right now.

>>5731654
dumb amerimutt woke monkey. do you low iq mutt insect even know how to make music and master it.

kanata just wrote a song. not like she was recording vocals, was editing it on professional DAW software like logic, cubase, and mixing and mastering it, using mastering software like Pro Tools and some outboards.

>>5714698
Just another reason why v-tuber companies need to operate as a collective, comrades. Power to the proletariat.

>>5731027
>Lamy's first manager

Well at least they're gone I guess. What a piece of trash.

>Watame's manager thought that an oppai mousepad would be out of character

This is more funny even if it shows gross incompetence.

>>5731909
I think it's the ghosting Coco stuff.

>>5732143
A vtuber co-operative would be pretty based.

>>5731923
That's capitalism baby.

>>5731930
I actually really like the looks of a lot of the more recent merch, especially the T-shirts and giant plushies, though I've never actually bought any. Is this more related to shipping, quantity or quality?

>>5731689
Phat steaks

>>5731491
Never stopped Beethoven.

>>5732104
Or drawing the illustrations or making the MV - but definitely dispensing with the need for a lyricist or composer still helped to keep cost down to something Kanata could afford in money/favors.

>>5732483
Indeed.

>>5732372
From the foreign perspective, it's shipping. From the domestic perspective, Cover tends to under-estimate demand in limited runs, though that might be just them being ultra-conservative. It used to be variety and quantity though.

>>5729000
well technically...
Cover doesn't own the rights to the voices, only models(because it's legally impossible to own someone else's voice)
So if 4th gen paid for the production with their own money, Cover doesn't own anything else than the art involved(so, jack shit in short)

>>5732143
Unironically yes.

>>5732533
This needs to be the picture of the next Kanata Follow Yoroshiku thread,

>>5729810
>>5729810
>mel's
A shit, ultimately fired/sued
>aloe's
Basically never relevant, problem was "family"
>Lamy's
Idiot got pimpslapped by superiors and replaced
>jenma
Had literally never been bitched about, is anyone was the problem it was j-chad, whom is also coco's manager
>modding antis
Yes that was ineptitude
>innk
Wat
>watame's
Has to learn what her image is, but that is far from the worst issue
Stop huffing rrats.

Do you guys think the managers believe the success of their talent is 100% the manager's work? And that's because the talent works under the manager?

That's why they can call all these weird shots

>>5714698
The best part is that despite composing the song and funding the whole thing Kanata probably still doesn't own the rights to the song.

>>5732591
Amanekanatach
Amanekanatach
Amanekanatach
Follow yorishiku

>>5732634
>doesn't even know about innk
Fuck off newfag shill.

>>5732205
Dont forget that gen5 manager literaly told the girls to "Smile more" when they're were doing that stream talking abouy Aloe graduation

>>5732652
Of course she doesn't. The entire character and everything it produces is owned by cover.

>>5732634
>Jchad is Coco's manager

>>5732696
If you press him, he probably doesn't know the story of Suisei and Azki.

>>5731861
>they get to do their 3D shows for free.
They get to use the studio and the staff for free. Everything else like illustrations and song arrangements still has to come from their own pockets.

>>5732634
Ok Ill bitr
>Mel
Mel did tell the superior staff about this manager but they didnt do anything. Do you know why they fire him? Because a friend of Mel conviced her to involve a lawyer. They only help her in fear of a lawsuit.
>Lamy
It didnt only affect her. It was gen5 manager. A nigger that literally told the girls to smile for the camera while all the Aloe incident was happening.
>Aloe
Fuck off nijifag. You know right that Cover should have involved lawyers when literally all her info got doxxed. Im not talking about previous names. Im talking about cellphone, house, dad's work phone, mother phone, etc. Remember when Cover said they will start to sue doxxfags after the taiwan shit? I remember what did they do? Nothing.
>Jenma
Literally just watch streams even clips will help your newfag brain. Coco already said she sent some message to EN's managers to make a collav with all the girls but they msg were all left seen
>Moding antis
Yes and ineptitude that they didnt solve it. It was Coco who spent days unbanning tastunokos and fixing the damage.
>INNK
Newfag faggot. Too long to write here
>Watame
A manager not knowing the person that she suppose's to manage its peak incopetency

>>5731662
This is standard in the music industry. very rarely do you have the label agency foot the entire bill for the production of music, their job is mostly on the legal side, promotion, and connections. The only songs that cover has directly financed are the bloom songs and SSS/kirameki rider. everything else is financed mostly by the talents themselves.

>>5732997
BUT ANON, LE YAGOO'S DREAM MEMES!!!!!!

>>5732641
>their talent
Cover switches managers so fucking often that they don't even have enough time to call any holo "their talent."

>>5732519
im a super big fan of kanata, but this thread is beyond dumb. literally full of clueless schizos. making a pro-level commercial pop song isnt easy. it takes much time and costs, since it isnt finished it up in one studio/by one person. as you are saying, kanata could kill the composer task, but the rest that actually requires professional skills and environments was eventually arranged and done by cover.

i have yet to check what kanata actually said in japanese, but if she was saying like in this translation, she was just exaggerating. the mastering/recording/mixing/editing is the difficult and time-consuming part. not writing.

>>5733255
>im a super big fan of kanata
nice try covershill faggot

>>5733349
so despite not having any oshi in hololive, you are posting schizo nonsense here. now you can fuck off, chink bug

>>5733509
>so despite not having any oshi in hololive
How did you even come to that conclusion you retard? Cover whiteknights like you should unironically neck themselves.

>>5733349
>>5733586
Funny that sounds just like what a chink would say

>>5730136
That's horse shit, you can literally release a song with a couple days with vocals; mixing and mastering. We're talking about a single not an album. Won't take long at all.

>>5733676
Yeah sure, if you do it all yourself, that means you're either a virtuso or a fucking 2bit trash can hack. If you're not the former and you want professional quality song then that's usually going to take at least four months unless you want to pay a premium and utterly bankrupt yourself.

>>5733586
its just a fact, you chink insect. you dont know anything about modern music production. despite being a big fan of kanata, im pointing out perhaps kanata was exaggerating. whats wrong with that? its just healthy critical thinking.

you cant record those vocals in your house without proper mics and a soundboard/console, you chink asshat,

Cover wants to have their cake and eat it. They wanted Coco out (Which they got) but they also want the goodwill and to avoid the ire of fans so they do all this other stuff like Hologra, costume, putting their logo on the song etc, to make them look good

>>5733869
Not quite. The way Cover wanted to have their cake and eat it was by severely ristricting Coco's creative freedom whilst still continuing to profit from her. At the end of the day, they're just a business. One with garbage middle-management, but a business nontheless.

To be honest though this graduation could have been handled a lot worse.

>>5734146
>Coco's creative freedom
I doubt it was anything worthwhile anyways judging from her past content.

>>5730632
I too am looking forward to Coco's next project, vshoujo español.

>>5734211
ah so you've been here for about 3 weeks, I see.
After you watched your first clip.

>>5732580
It's a nice thought, but I doubt it's how it works. It's very likely that in their contract, any original works they produce and release under their Hololive "character" using their official youtubes etc. is ultimately owned by Cover.

>>5734398
Asacoco 2.0 and 3.0 was shit, I won't even talk about reddit reviews.
Even Asacoco 1.0 wasn't that good most of the time.

The girls have had to do everything themselves since the beginning. Cover sucks shit.

>>5734211
The Zhang doesn't even know about Asacoco, why am I not surprised.

>>5734457
2.0 and 3.0 were shit because management wouldn't let her do shit anymore. 1.0 and the early stuff was pretty fucking great. and something entirely new at the time.

>>5734457
Zhang, the only problems with Asacoco 2.0 and 3.0 were that there wasn't enough episodes. Some of the best Hololive content out there.

>>5734560
Holy shit that actually made me laugh.

>>5734532
Ah yes, I'm sure it wasn't just her running out of ideas. If she only did it twice a week it probably would have maintained quality for longer.

>>5732143
Based and REDpilled.

>>5715097
True, Hololive is basically just a cover operation to obtain foreign venture capital

>>5734492
Cover did Bloom I guess, if that counts for something.

>>5729803
you massively overestimate worker's power in japan
they would be blacklisted from working for any company in the future if a former employee pulled shit like that

>>5714698
>>5715097
So Veibae was right all along?

>>5734889
You're honestly underselling how much it cost cover to do those songs for bloom, producing nine songs would easily cost a million yen on the low end. Sure they made it back with the concert but it's not something they can just shell out for every talent they have

>>5734988
She was right about Cover being shit. She wasn't right about the parts that she just outright lied about.

>>5735075
Hololive girls roleplay. Many of their streams are scripted. What exactly did she lie about?

>>5714698
God I hate management so much. I really wonder if they bring anything at all to the table besides being the corporate glue that holds these girls together. This is what really killed the subreddit for me, there is so much unironic cock sucking of management.

>>5735136
She acted like they had to do something shady to get in, and like she had heard bad things from people who had graduated, when this was during Aloe's suspension so no such people existed (don't bring out Hitomi Chris, that doesn't count).

>>5735137
It’s because the subreddit is official and ran by the company. Any criticism is deleted by mods even if it gets upvotes. The only solution would be to make a new unofficial Hololive subreddit, but this board kind of serves the same purpose (kek) so it might not be worth it.

>>5735289
Both of those statements were about the idol industry, which Hololive is a part of.

>>5735324
then make your own sub. what a loser you are.

>>5729803
Firing someone in Japan is hard as hell. It's "firing someone from a strong union" levels of hard. You can't simply fire someone for being incompetent, the company has to prove that they lost them a shit ton of money on top of following all the correct procedures. Why do you think they go the route of making them do nothing and hoping they quit instead of just firing people?
An employee shit talking the company they worked for afterwards means you get blacklisted.
>>5733090
Even in the American music industry artists still have to pay for studio time, staff and other things.
Completely normal.
What's more surprising is that Cover gives them major share in the profits earned from the song compared to the actual music industry where they bend you over and fuck you.

>>5714698
Kanatan is a fucking chad. I kneel.

>>5735324
And people are surprised they caved to china

>>5735517
>Cover gives them major share in the profits earned from the song compared to the actual music industry
source?

Man I just got into a heated argument with my friends who are pretty much defending Cover's bullshit

They all pretty much are on board with "'We'll there's nothing we can do about it, they're still a company that needs to protect themselves. They can't let all the talents be creative, there needs to be limits so there's less chance of another zhang arc."

>>5735663
your buddies are right though, stop being so schizo

>>5735136
>Many of their streams are scripted.

Imagine believing this rrat. Sad.

>>5735663
Maybe if they did a better job handling the chinks ot wouldn't be so bad.

>>5735046
>one million yen
you mean like one stream's worth of superchat revenue?

>>5735719
NTA but go back to redd1t

>>5735046
Yaggo bragged in business insider that Cover has so much money they could stop producing content for a few years and keep everyone employed. A million yen is nothing to Cover.

>>5735046
>A million yen
Nigger I can fund that out of pocket, thats not an excuse

>>5732742
>>5732997
>smile more
Holy mcdonalds. Can't believe a small tech startup acting like the biggest asshole in town.
Link? This is hilarious yet sad

>>5735046
>producing nine songs would easily cost a million yen on the low end
It's much more than that for sure.

>>5735663
Chink insects and Mutt woketards like you are fucking plagues in every modern entertainment industry. Scum like you is useless. The vtuber industry is absolutely fine and works very well without you control freak puritanical commies.

>>5735763
>>5735851
>>5735859
I meant to write dollars. Also do you honestly think it takes less than 10k dollars to produce nine songs? If it was that cheap than mixers and composers would have to eat their own shoes

>>5735899
Ogey rrat

>>5735908
>I meant to write dollars.
Nigger I can fund that out of pocket, thats not an excuse.

>>5735908
A million dollars to produce 9 songs? You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

>>5735136
I wanna know the guy who scripted Haachama forcefully vomiting on those noodles after eating

>>5735655
Kiara has been on record saying the very best ways of supporting the talents monetarily are buying their merch and music. Superchats are in the "if you really have to" category.
>>5735851
A million yen is only $9k, they make millions of dollars off concerts.
>>5735908
Do you seriously think it cost them over $100k per song?

>>5735948
Please do

>>5735980
Tbf I could see Haachama herself scripting that.

>>5735992
I can't do math today, appearently.

>>5731597
AZKi gets direct support from Cover but that's the point of being a dedicated Vsinger, however Cover isn't stopping anyone from doing the same as Sora and get contracts with production companies to make their own original songs and albums without making the talents use their own money and if they so desire to do so Cover will put them in contact with said companies

>>5735440
>Both of those statements were about the idol industry, which Hololive is a part of.
You cannot infer that a company is corrupt because other companies in the same industry are. Even then this is in the realm of hearsay unless there is a concrete situation she is referring to. From how I remember her statement (I can't believe we're still timelooping about this), her apprehensive attitude was mostly based on a feeling and lack of knowledge. Not that it matters much, if you'd ask Veibae now then she'd probably amend some statements by merit of talking to Kiara and some past collabs alone.

>>5735440
Ridiculous accusation. Hololive has only employed two confirmed sex offenders

>>5736350
Mel's manager and.... Miko?

>>5714698
tenshi... I kneel...

>>5735440
Hololive is not in the idol industry. They're a tech company moonlighting as talent agency (even if their tech is dog shit). The idol shit early on was mostly an advertising gimmick that later turned into their main appeal (it wasn't until gen 3 that they went the idol route).

>>5714698
Chinese insectoid metality have infiltrated cover

>>5736423
Matsuri

>>5736558
that was my second guess

>>5735663
>Defending a corporation
Friends like that are fucking worthless, I had some commie friends who licked cooperate boot to the death of our friendship. People like that are the ones who don't back you up in a fight. Lose em before you get backstabbed

>>5737162
> I had some commie friends who licked cooperate boot

They weren't really commies then, were they?

>>5735663
(You) are just a racist. They're not. Be a better person, anon.

>>5732143
Based

>>5732997
>Remember when Cover said they will start to sue doxxfags after the taiwan shit
But they did? The 5ch anti thread was running around like chickens for a while because some of them got served.

>>5735663
This ain't you hugbox where you can come to bitch about the big bad world when you are too much of a pussy to push your argument

>>5732997
>Remember when Cover said they will start to sue doxxfags after the taiwan shit
But they did? NND shut down their forum where those nijiniggers were operating from because of pressure from cover, and the 5ch anti thread got thrown into an uproar because of rumours of notices being served. Now whether there were any actual notices being sent out or its just baiting all the way down is impossible to verify because >5ch but the NND thing is verifiable information

>>5737703
I guess that's why she left because Cover is probably becoming exactly like that

But hey what do I know, just add it to the pile of conspiracies

>>5735899
ESL SEAniggers like you should go kill yourselves

>>5737703

Looking forward to her new project. Ganbatte, Coco.

>>5736443
Sora was always sold as a bonafide from the start, and now they're all veering more and more in that direction. Specially since they launched Hololive Idol Project with Bloom. Aqua for example already seems more dedicated to being an idol than a streamer.

>>5738143
bonafide idol*

>>5738012
Seethe

>>5736486
No, the OP sounds extremely Japanese to me

>>5737658
they were the "useful idiot" type of commie

>>5738311
So amerimutts just call everyone they don't like a commie?

>>5737888
It's already been verified that Cover took the main doxxers to court as well. Going to court tends to be a very last resort things for companies since it makes them look bad so it was a strong statement among the Japanese I guess.

>>5732205
>no oppee mousepaddo
Based if it's intentional. Really show's the gap ojii being this cute sulking about something degenerate

>>5737888
In 5ch, the "anti" thread (the most active holo thread which is not really anti-exclusive) was moved to a different board, and there was a mass migration towards a holo-general thread with enforced ids that was created in yet another different board. I'm not sure how that was influenced by the Cover notices, but it happened at about the same time period.

>>5735899
>The vtuber industry is absolutely fine and works very well
Anon isn't talking about the vtuber industry in general you fucking retard. They're talking specifically about Cover's mishaps, which are numerous regardless of what you believe. God imagine having Cover's dick so far up your ass that your immediate response to any sort of criticism is "COMMIE CHINKS AND MUTTS GTFO" rather than using your brain.

>>5737670
Ogey Zhang

>>5738336
unironically yes

More originals please!

>>5738175
>>5738143
Sora was sold as a bonafide idol from the start because that was the entire reason Hololive got started. A-Chan was handling Sora's tech needs and asked Cover for some loaner equipment because they were still high school students. Cover jumped on the chance for free advertising and decided to make it a big thing.
Sora was literally always intended to be an idol, but that's not necessarily what others wanted from it.

>>5736558
>matsuri
>ever fucking something with a pulse

>>5734457
still got the whole gang together to laugh at each others oshis after they made a dumdum. the "no mode ideas" shite doesn't stick, there's enough fuckups holos do on the daily, you can be sure coco would've schooled Subaru on english for this one for instance.

>>5739024
I'm not saying it's what they all want, but it's definitely the direction Cover wants to take Hololive. The AKB48 thing was probably much more serious than people take it to be. Cover saw that the money was in selling idols and they're off to explore that. You can argue that they're not a part of the idol industry, but they're definitely trying to follow that model, and increasingly so.

>>5739106
God I miss the Asacoco days. The right move at the time would have been to assign a whole team to aid Coco so she wasn't overloaded with the work of making it every day, but instead the only thing they assigned to her was the censorship crew.

>>5739106
If Coco wanted to mention that today in asacoco she would need to have a meeting with Subaru's manager with the script already written and wait days for a response.
If she wanted Subaru to read something to use as a video then that would take even longer.

>>5738336
No they call people who support communist ideology commies

>>5714698
No wonder Coco left if she had to deal with that kind of BS on a regular basis. Why the fuck do they even have a management if they're incapable of fucking doing their job when they're needed?

>>5737162
>commie friends
>licked cooperate boot

Are you sure it wasn't your own illusion that they are commies?

>>5739940
Something to always remember is that, generally speaking, people are fucking idiots, especially when it comes to doing unto others what they would have done unto them.

>>5739142
I've felt this as well. I never cared about idol culture until Hololive, but I feel most of that was because it felt like Hololive was looking at being an "idol" through a funhouse mirror. "Idols" on the surface but the closer you look, the more based it becomes. That's what it felt like. All this management drama and how strict they've been controlling the Holos image has reminded me why I've always hated Idol shit. It's an industry that feels faker than literal 2d avatars, which is ironically why Hololive felt more authentic when they were doing it.

>>5731923
>accumulate so much money that they can stay afloat for several years doing nothing

That might not be a bad move if Cover's goal is to attract more investors. A big part of any company's balance sheet and viability is free cash flow. If Cover can show that they have a positive cash flow with little to no debt and high gross margin, they can potentially gain more investors to expand their business.

>how dare Hololive not want to produce a song in less than a month for a generation that's about to lose a member, but still feature said member in the song, so as to make the song kind of unperformable and basically have a sour note because of the graduation, while also basically being a waste of money

man, people who think they understand business decisions and just say 'i hate them' are hilarious

>>5731923
>>5740581
I wished he actually did do just that. Instead we get chang investors.

>>5741028
I dunno when Kanata asked management, but Coco's graduation has been a known variable for at least 3 months. It's possible Kanata knew about the possibility for longer.

>>5741220
so even if they knew about it for a while, it doesn't refute that songs take a long time for them to make, they don't just generally make them in a month

and the other points still stand

could cover be better at that shit? probably, but it doesn't mean 'shit on them for this because we're upset about coco graduation'

>>5741187
>chang investors
ogey

>>5741296
I would think it was on a need to know basis concerning Coco's graduation. Having Kanata suddenly try to ram in a song for no reason would of course meet some push back if the music department didn't know.

>>5732906
Is the Studio really free? wouldn't they use it a lot more if it's free? Subaru lives really near the Studio. Everytime they go to the Studio a whole group of people needs to be there. Camera, Sound, 3D techguy, probably some Assistant supervisor and some kind of Director. In the recent legend of polka her Manager said her job is to make sure there are no wringles in the cables, it might be a snarky remark but cableguy is a job. Nijisanji needs to pay for the Studio usage, it only makes sense.

>>5742321
Covid means they're trying to limit the amount of people going to the studio. At the very least Roboco said she used to just go in and use the studio whenever she wanted.
Cover seems to be taking it a lot more seriously than Nijisanji.

>>5741028
You look like a cuck defending cover treating their talents like shit. Giving a huge member of your group a big final farewell should be a no brainer for any company that actually cares about their talents.

>>5742754
> Giving a huge member of your group a big final farewell should be a no brainer for any company that actually cares about their talents.
what is a goodwill of the press/fans
also Cover office on July 1st

>>5714698
managers don't know shit about production

>>5742754
you look like a dumbass if you think they would celebrate a graduation that's clouded in controversy and has been targeted by the anti's this whole time

>>5743475
They don't need to know shit but what they have is connections. In gen 4 only Kanata and maybe Towa even interacted with produces before joining hololive. Gen 4 has 1 utaite, 3 gaming girls and 1 camgirl. The Managers might be incompetent but any string they pull is better than anything Luna can do on her own. They knew Coco is leaving for months, you don't just go last minute "oh maybe we should have a song" that shit takes time.

1 month might be a tight period if you look at it only from a business perspective, but when you think about it a lot of people would have jumped at the opportunity to work on an official send-off song to Coco.

>>5714698
I love Kanatan

>>5744924
You want an og lyric and og video for a send off, you also need to know the people and well they don't live in an empty space until you msg them. Maybe they are working on a project already and aren't free for the next 2 months. A cheap slideshow could be done fast but anything decent animated takes at least a month. Making a song is not cheap and you better be making a pardoy song from someP who isn't charging anything/too much because an og beat is going to cost you a shitton.

>>5744924
The problem was that Kanata couldn’t tell people it was a send off song. She had to keep her contacts in the dark on why she was rushing it.
This is the same company that didn’t want Coco to tell her genmates she was graduating.

>>5720822
Spot on, unfortunately no one else in this board has ever been in a job that dealt with middle management so they fire off rrats
>obligatory NTA

>>5745930
Practically speaking, there would probably be little to no risk involved in informing the handful of key people involved ahead of time, but suits gonna suit.

>>5746028
Used to be in management here. This is painfully true. I spent 2-4 hours of my day in meetings about nothing filled with people who love to hear themselves talk. Nothing productive came out of those meetings.
>>5746075
I’d imagine it’s worse in Japan due to how anal they are about following policy and procedures.

>>5741780
>He lacks the information

>>5746598
>information
That's not what you call collecting 5ch rrats and presenting it as fact.

>>5714967
God I love gen 4

too many amerimutt sjws and chink insects on this thread

i understand you amerimutt sjw trannies and chink bugs are so close and share some fun things.

so can you go back to red*it?

>>5746737
Anon where have you been the past 3 weeks?

>>5746847
Avoiding schizos like you.

>>5747013
Then stay on r*ddit.

>>5747182
shut the fuck up you small brained insect

>>5714698
they make their own song and cover take the credit!

>>5715191
This
Non-music fags don't understand
Writing a song takes time
And how Cover does it, they export everything, meaning they need to have time to find the right people to work on it, starting with someone to write the music and after that's written, possibly someone to write the melody and lyrics, then coordinate all the girls, rent the recording booths, get it recorded, comped etc, then get it mixed / mastered and all the other good stuff. There's a lot of work that goes into a professional grade song and it can take a lot of time.
That's why often times a band will say "we're in the process of writing for a new album!" and the fucking thing won't come out for another 2 years.

>>5750367

Since Kanata wrote the music, the melody and the lyrics by herself, this left the steps to co-ordinate the girls, secure the recording booths, record it, remix-and remaster it and get actual instrumentalist to record fro the song and so on.

So, either
a) Cover did meet Kanata half way here and provided her the logistic support to get everything after the stage of writing the music, melody and lyrics, once she put forth herself as the composer/lyricist/part distributor.

b) Kanata organized all of this herself with minimal support from management.... which is less plausible, though if the Cover is uselss RRAT is true, this means Kanata is a virtuso prodigy of a producer.

The less Cover did, the more impressive Kanata is, but the mere act of being able to compose already puts her beyond alot of talents in her ability to push for new songs, because it lowers the logistics involve. But it doesn't obliviate it.

>>5744049
Holo connection are shit. gura have to hire reine friend for original song & risu have to hire weebjay for mixing are enough proof that management doesn't have enough connection reps on music side.

>>5715097
this, all they care about are numbers.

>>5752953
Frankly, Farhan has landed himself probably the sweetest gig in Vtubedom with Gura here. I am Gura's producer, producer of multiple 10 million plus videos, dedicated music producer to the biggest Vtuber on the planet, is a massive feather in his cap, if all of the five songs Gura planned out is written by him.

>>5753281
well he have lot portfolio and his work also not bad so i won't complain about that. i just complained at management incompetency, lot of sound mixing & art in holo cover are result of talent own connection not management. It's not bad things but imagine if ina need sound mix but the usual audio engineer is busy with reine or risu cover, are sure that holo management will provide proper sound engineer to ina? I even doubt that holo have in house sound engineer for small 3D concert in holo studio.

>>5736263
>>You cannot infer that a company is corrupt because other companies in the same industry are
Why not? Seems like a valid inference to me. If you know niggers cause 54% of violent crime it's entirely valid to infer you should cross the street if you come across a pack of them at night

>>5714698
At this point I'm starting to just think like, something like, "some companies just have fantastic strengths alongside horrific flaws". Cover's strength is definitely acquiring superb talent, and thus fostering a good reputation for entertainment. Their flaws? God, everything else

>>5729803
>but what do you think the fired people will do? Do you really thing they'll shut up and accept they were a detriment to the company?
Uh...

Yes, actually. It's extremely unnatural for a Japanese person to badmouth others.

>>5735663
>there needs to be limits so there's less chance of another zhang arc."
THAT ISN'T EVEN WHY THAT FUCKING HAPPENED

COCO AND HAACHAMA LITERALLY DID NOTHING, THEY JUST READ THEIR FUCKING ANALYTICS

>>5754217
Won't surprise me they'd eventually get mocked by some idol agency, from say Korea on the Idol Vtubing front a few years from now, If this board still up, I wonder what it would look like if refugees from Stan twitter come here to post their own schizo RRATs.

>>5754254
Japanese people badmouth each other behind their backs all the time. It's the national pastime. They won't criticize you directly to your face but they'll absolutely talk shit about you when you're not around

>>5754461
i meant to say mogged, not mocked.

>>5735517
>Why do you think they go the route of making them do nothing and hoping they quit instead of just firing people?
working in japan sounds fun

>>5754147
There is a reason why Beyond the Stage had to be supported by Bushiroad after all - I suspect Cover simply doesn't have the logistics or professionals to pull off something even of that level by themselves. Frankly, their extremely thin logistics is why I think alot of the Doomposting that Cover being bought out by someone larger buys out Hololive doesn't really hold. Hololive's dysfunctions, such as the possible lack of an in house sound engineer is very much a function of being a tech firm moonlighting as an entertainment agency.

>>5754490
this but americans instead

>>5752953
The more you rely on Cover the more paperwork and layers of management you have to go through. Sometimes it's easier to just do it yourself.
>>5754582
It's a society that values time spent over results, not to mention the culture of not leaving before your boss does is cancer. It's the one area foreigners almost always use their gaijin card. You'll never be Japanese or get offered higher management positions so why give a fuck.

>>5754940
>The culture of not leaving before your boss does is cancer
actually a myth

>>5752953
Anon... ID, EN, JP are different branches.

>>5756862
>thinking that JP management is capable & talent doesn't have to rely their own connection
>towa & jun40am
>okayu, shion, matsuri & gozu777
>rbc & K's
ogey

>>5714698
Because HanCHADs run Cover now

>>5758899
They never expected Okayu to be a singer, not even she herself did think it would turn out that way. I never watched rbc, shion, matsuri, mio, ayame or towa dunno whats their deal is.

>>5741028
>How dare they, a so-called idol company, couldn't produce a group song for gen 4 for a year and a half.

>>5760181
They can if anyone cared but no one cared about a "gen 4 song" until it was too late. Even Watame who streams 5 hours Minecraft and then talks on stream for another 6 hours almost daily can make songs.

>>5714698
The bigger a company gets, the shittier it gets. I just hope the talents themselves are able to navigate the mess.

>Nene will buy HOLOLIVE
>NenePRO becomes real
Konnene!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>5735136
that she heard bad things about Cover from someone used to work there which is impossible because at the time it was only Hitomi Chris and Mel's Manager that got fired and they have not said anything

>>5766142
Mel's manager got demoted and reassigned not fired.