/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56980854
They didn't even want to do graduation streams. They never cared about their fans or coworkers. They just wanted money and attention. Fucking cunts.

Grifting fucks lmao

>>56980854
Vtuber?

LOLOLOLOL get fucked homobeggarz they didn't give a single flying fuck about you

(I'll do my best today!)
*no delivery*

>>56980854
Don't feel bad for them, I bet a lot of them are content with this.

>>56980854
what's the issue? I get to watch the person I wanted to watch. I don't know the specifics (you don't either, only Cover/they do), so I'm not going to assume they were some villainous type.

>>56980854
Homobeggers deserve the cross.

>>56980854
Kino.
I hope they invite Kronii.

>>56980854
Grifters www

Vesper is the first vtuber I want to anti. Is this how unicorns feel?

On the bright side, these grifting rats will hopefully drag their absolute blight fans with them and out of the Hololive community for good.

>>56980854
I don't understand why everyone is mad these niggas are based bros for life.

That's awesome though, I'm sure glad they didn't have to wait three months to get back to streaming only to stream awful shit

lmao that's baller as hell

>>56981170
Yes anon, Randon is a vtuber.

>>56980854
his solo streams will bomb and won't break 3k
calling it now

>>56980854
>collab on something they could have done in the company
Really does seem like they didn't give a shit. If nothing else, these menheras will probably spill the beans about what happened eventually.

>>56980854
Not even waiting for the graduation (31 august) before streaming again. Lmao they really hate holostars

>>56981272
Kronii is busy eating holopussy daily in Japan

>>56980854
What's the big deal? I gather this is one of the hololive men who just graduated. Do you think people HAVE to retire after quitting and/or getting fired? I don't really know what happened or why people are mad about this.

>>56981427
I was really looking forward to her comeback but it's been mostly Fire Emblem, Genshin, and Terraria. I liked her better as Zaion

REMINDER. COVER PICKED THIS RETARD OVER JUSTEN.

>>56981250
They fucked off without saying goodbye and immediately went back to making the exact kind of content they were beforehand. Really just makes it look like they were using the branch for clout and never cared about it.

>the niggas graduate and you still talk about them
literally obsessed. thought you guys would quit after they left

>>56981619
They cam be super gay and racist now, they find this incredible, not knowing that the restrictions made them interesting.

>>56980854
>>56980854
Jesas
>Get model from Pako Papa
>Fuck off after 3-4 streams

>>56981708

>>56981656
>>56981746

>>56981708
I think he's mad he's streaming on Twitch, for some reason

>>56980854
I don't.

>>56981427
I mean orc man literally did wait two months.

>>56981619
They don't have Stardew perms though because the dev doesn't own a fax machine

>>56981741
Who?

>>56981170(me)
Lmao, look at model when they're little fags(that makes sense when fags make deviant yaoi with characters like that), which one of them this fag is? I never heard their voice

>>56981808
>>56981846
Again, who cares?

>>56980854
shameless grifters

>>56981992
Spear guy

>>56981951
JP has them, do they not transfer to EN as well? What's the point of adhering to autistic JP whitelist standards otherwise?

>>56981708
It's a little weird that they refused to at least say goodbye to their fans and offer some closure to their career in Hololive. Of course there is a chance that it's Cover's fault.

>>56981377
The only good thing.

You guys think homobeggars cares about holostars?

>>56981660
Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>56982022
Me

>>56980854
now we wait for rrat and them hinting / shit on cover / holostars / hololive lol

>>56982173
The JP Stars, The EN girls, and the EN Stars all have different sets of perms. I don't know how this works but they've mentioned it before.

>>56982218
Watch streams.
>Inb4 >watching Kronii
You can watch IRyS, Fauna or Mumei for proof.

>>56981951
>HoloJP has played it
>HoloID has played it

>>56980854
Glad to see he's doing well despite the graduation. Never watched the homos (except for five minutes of Magni to see if he was really maggin' [he was not]) but maybe I'll tune in tomorrow. Also he seems to be gaining some momentum, his followers on Twitter have doubled in the past 24hrs.

>>56982368
I can see why people want to quit then, what a pointless headache. Cover are the top dogs, how are they still so fucking inept at this sort of thing? Standardize it across the fucking company you dumb zipperheads, christ.

>>56980854
>feel sorry for what you are going through homobeggars, not even you deserve this shit
Homobeggars deserve worse. Actual fans happy to enjoy them as their own thing and starmin deserved better than these two fags trampling on stars rep, getting suspended and bailing all inside of their first year.

Im only annoyed by the lack of graduation streams, so many fans who don't know about this just got ghosted without any explanation,
At least the people who didn't follow Pikamee or Coco had an official goodbye.

Also the rest of tempus had to tell corporate lies to their audience about not knowing anything, certainly bettel did.

>>56982519
Probably out of cover's control. Regional laws are different. Though certain branches' management are certainly better at navigating those laws.

>>56981427
I warned you about genshin bro...

>>56980854
Are you faggots in love with them or what is your deal? Didn't you claim to be unicorns and be mad at this guy for sullying the girls? Literally women's behavior.

>>56981804
Pako-Papa doesn't deserve this.

>>56982817
honestly. theyre gone and they still make threads about them like get this shit off the catalog already

>>56981427
>>56981710
You were warned. But you just had to try and own the Nijisisters. Tut tut.

>>56982835
Third times a charm, hopefully whatever gen comes next lets him have a shot. And then hope someone who actually gives a shit chooses it.

>>56981250
They were forced to go on leave because ??? and eventually decided they couldn't wait for that all to get sorted out. If Randon uses his model, we'll know for sure that Cover waived its usual NCC clause if the announcement wasn't amicable enough to tell.

Hang on a second
Isn’t there a ban on Stardew Valley for the holopro talents? Did they have something to do with it or was that just perms bullshit?

>>56980854
Theyre definitely fucking each other, no question.

>>56981960
Justengorge on deez nuts.

>>56982835
He actually did deserve this for doing such an atrocious gay model

>>56982931
Why are you so certain Cover has a non-compete clause? Rushia was streaming as a Vtuber in ~2 months and as another corporate Vtuber in ~6.

>>56983186
Noncompetes can be written to only last for the duration of the employment. Others last a year or more, some are occasionally forever.

>>56980854
Only now I got who professor Lando is, to think that people are talking "brothuber" when they're talking about this retarded

>>56980854

fuck these grifting dickholes

>>56982931
Isn't NCC powerless in most states?

>>56980854
I really love how much they make catalogniggers seethe

>>56982940
https://www.youtube.com/live/FqJJNYq3krM

>>56983457
Yeah, it's pretty impressive they have more people that seethe at them than people that watch them

>>56980854
Makes me laugh that they hated being in HoloStars so much that they refused to do a graduation stream and instead decided to stream on their RM right away.
Bettel is leaving at the end of the year most likely and then Tempus might as well be officially dead.

>>56983294
And? Rushia would have been under contract for at least until her debut date, and both Mike the Cat and Nazuna debuted as vtubers before that.

>>56983694
Hope that happens, what an absolute failure of a branch

>>56982940
Nepolabo played it a while back. Maybe perms got taken away or something. Niji has perms though, so I don't know how the Pepsi of vtubing is outmaneuvering the Coke of vtubing so much.

Do you think Bettel feels betrayed?

>>56983798
I'm just saying the details of a nomcompete are not at all clear, including stipulations, exceptions, and preemptive expirations. We won't ever know unless some loon posts the contract itself.

>>56983015
You son of a bitch

>>56983379
Well, we know Niji uses some short-term NCCs from former livers mentioning them. It can be assumed Cover also uses them from the time period before kson joined VShojo and MKNK being on ice. Nazuna seemed to be a special case in which she said negotiation had gone on between her former and current companies, so they must have made a deal. This was probably why she was barred from streaming on Youtube while kson was able to.

>>56982968
they off collabed and pretty much became obsessed with one another for months following it to the point one couldnt go a stream without mentioning the other

>>56983820
Nijisanji has a lot lower standard for what they consider acquired perms.
Selen once bragged about how her manager once found a forum post where the dev gave everyone permission to play a game, they consider that enough.
Cover wants a legal document stating that they can play the game.

>>56983665
You might think this is a gotcha but that's unironically pretty funny to me

>>56980854
They did exactly what people thought Mori or Kyo would do to holoen/nijien respectively kek.

>>56983827
He is joining them, why would he feel betrayed?

>>56983827
i hope this opens his eyes to what kind of person he uprooted his life for, but i doubt it.

>>56984100
>forum post where the dev gave everyone permission to play a game
Based dev

>>56980854
Based carnies.

>>56983827
Bettel's RM hang out with them very recently. For all we know, it's 50:50 whether Bettel would or wouldn't be the next Stars graduation

>>56983892
Okay. I think the noncompete stuff is just a rumor because of how past talents like Rushia and Coco. If Vesper is casting as roommate with his model while still under contract it'll be basically confirmed as a rrat.

>>56984284
>>56984246
>>56984242
If Bettel joined them than that would literally kill HoloStarsEN.
There is no reason to ever bring in new people if your previous top 3 just gained fame and all fucked off.

They left, isn't this what you fags wanted?

the counter-war against Cover has begun

michael cat, kson, to arms!

>>56980854
>>56983694
Was it "the cause" fault?

>>56984008
Doesn't answer the question at all. I know for sure that California simply banned NCC. Many states will not enforce them. Does Cover even have a legal office in the USA to enforce contract clauses? Imo it is all bullshit and talents should not be afraid.

>>56984526
Good bait anon, let's see how many (You)s it'll get you

wait do you guys unironically think it was their idea to not have a graduation stream? lol

QRD?

>>56980854
Finding out that my oshi is just a retarded pothead makes me wish I was gay and only watched female JP vtubers.

>>56981753
Actually that. Some people are just addicted to hating

>>56980854
Sana was rough but at least she had a valid reason not to be a streamer, and an artist instead.
But this is just....vile

>>56982510
How many times do retards keep falling for twitter numbers. They mean absolutely nothing.

>>56984653
That's what the announcement said.

>>56983827
Bettel and Magni are literal roommates, they both know.

>>56984121
I was thinking this too. I really expected Mori to grift and drift after a year, but she stuck it out.

>>56980854
grifting faggots who wanted everything served to them on a silver platter and then selfishly throws it all away when convenient

>>56982835
you pako fags are about as bad as aloe fucks and sanalites

boo fucking hoo, the model he got paid to make isn't being used anymore, i'm sure he's losing so much sleep over

>>56984664
>SEA sister immediatelly throwing a fit when weed/meth is brought up even as a simple joke
there is a reason why you should NEVER pander to asians and women

>>56984803
no it said it was their decision to graduate. everything after that was in a different clause. it's classic corpospeak. but i guess i don't blame this esl board for getting confused.

>>56984664
>Was a female teamate who moved onto Magni
>This happens
I should have stayed with Myth wtf

>>56984664
Randon is a pothead? If this is true, then so many things start to make so much sense in context.

>>56984803
Anon's next words will be" Do you really believe the announcements?" Then this will go on for a while until anon start questioning the big bang.

>>56984803
Imagine believe some pr speak.

>>56984803
You haven't read it or you can't read. Either way, it only says that it was their decision to graduate.

>>56984881
Artists have emotions anon, and he very much cares for hololive

>>56984984
>>56984994
nani!?

>>56980854
holy fuck these pathetic fucks, thank you Dimitri Jap for firing these two fagbombs

>>56984884
NTA but potheads are just as annoying as the vegans who make it their entire personality. No one cares and you smell bad

>>56984930
Yes it is their decision to graduate without a final stream.

/vt/ talked a lot about how Sayu was better off not having to pay her corpo a cut
but now that streamers they don't like are doing it people are mad for some reason?
who cares you're not going to watch them anyway

>>56984952
LONDON

>>56984984
It literally doesn't say that, or you can provide proof showing me that it does.

>>56985076
incorrect

>>56985077
>how come people see a literal black company and Hololive as different? Me so confused, no understand!
Homobeggars have no brain.

>can't be assed to do a graduation stream
>no apology to their fans
>no words of empathy
>just "HEHEHE I'M BACK HEHE"

>>56985131
It's correct. They could have done a final stream before the end of their contract or renew it and have one but instead they decided to leave knowing there would be no stream.

>>56985188
no, i don't understand
they're out of your life and you'll never have to hear about them again if you filter their threads
the only reason to be upset if you didn't like them is if the blue triangle is your oshi and you're taking their behavior as an insult to the company's honor

>>56985427
it's Kson all over again

>>56984744
>>56984879
Let's try this again.

Hololive girls make MILLIONS every year, even the less popular ones. That's why they stick with Cover through thick and thin.
Holostars make peanuts in comparison. Why stay employed to a company that may restrict you and take a big part of your revenue on top of that, instead of trying to make it on your own as an indie?

The market for male vtubers is very small and the only way you can turn it into a full-time job is to be independent.
A girl joining Hololive can go from a 2-view to having several thousands of viewers while the same can't be said for a guy.

Is it so hard for you, retards, to understand this?

>>56984881
If the shit I drew for a vtuber got wasted with only a few months in and I spent a considerable amount of effort on it, I'd be hurt as fuck. I've done vtuber work and if the person I did all this shit for just dumped it all after- what? Three streams? I'd go ballistic.The amount of work actually going into making a vtuber model is hellish. Any drawfag with an ounce of self-respect would go ballistic- or weep- if all their work just went to waste like that.

>>56985510
Are you a retard?

>>56985427
Nah, Magni basically went
>Thanks to all those who sacrificed so much for me! Please support me going forward!
Which is worse.

>>56985446
>source: i made it up

>>56985513
The weakest preforming member of Tempus who was money struggling has said that "he feels good and stable now"
so the money explanation is weak

>>56984881
He got paid so you can't feel too bad about it, but being a mama is not purely transactional, anon. They put their hearts into it and pour their soul into your oshi to give them life. Its at least as emotional as childbirth, and two of his babies have died of SIDS.

>>56985480
Nobody likes grifters brainlet, I know this is a shocking revelation to a twitch-brainrotted subhuman like yourself.

>get into Hololive
>try and balance your IRL activities and your Holo activities decently
>get the most shit thrown at you out of all the girls at debut, because people assume you're only there for the worst of intentions and to use the brand as a way to shill for your IRL activities
>spend years building up your identity and doing well, having good periods and bad periods, but never giving up because your autism prevents you from ever doing that without an outright intervention
>get in trouble multiple times because your loyal nature causes conflicts between people you like/used to hang out with, and people your new fanbase don't like/think are only there to harvest fame from your own success
>stick it out, get bigger and better over time, but still keep stumbling because you stick your neck out and do impulsive shit a lot and it doesn't always turn out well
>it's 2022 and "DA BOIZ" debut
>you see them going through a lot of the same shit that you did, lots of people who have already written them off, think they're only there to leech from the brand and other girls to get big and fuck off to IRL/RM activities
>think you need to be a good senpai and put your neck on the line for them
>unironically fucking burn your own goodwill that you've been generating for years on and off, to try and help these guys out, at least the ones that you can relate to and seem to have gotten the worst luck with shit like models
>You even keep a group going after one of your kouhai girls gets in big drama for fucking up in shit related to these guys, because you're loyal, and you want to show that you care about your co-workers deeply, even if you're bad at expressing it
>fast-forward six months or so
>the effect of burning your goodwill to help these people has been clear, and combined with a fuckton of work being put into new contracts at the expense of maintaining your full range of activities, you've burned a LOT of your audience
>but you know that you can keep going, and you're so dedicated to this now that you're even throwing your IRL activities away for real this time, so you can put all of your focus on Hololive
>you're engaging back into the content as much as you can, you have a new stable of girls debuting and want to make it clear to them that you'll be a reliable senpai who helps them out/shows up whenever you can
>you get news
>the guys who you burnt a fuckton of good will for so that they wouldn't deal with the same shit you did alone fucking quit
>you burnt so much good will, and hurt so much work to build up your fanbase, to build these boys up way higher than they'd ever be without you
>and they fucking quit
>not only that
>they didn't even fucking tell you anything
>they quit to run to their IRL/RM activities and harvest the Hololive fans they gained to bring to their own projects
>they unironically did literally everything you were ever accused of being, after you put your neck on the line because you thought the best of them
>and they didn't even fucking own up to it at the end of the day with a graduation
>they just fucking ran away without even a goodbye to their Holo fans, the fans you just sacrificed your own IRL activities for

>>56982368
En should have the same perms as ID. There's only like one game they weren't allowed to play to "support the cause."

>>56980854
Your soft feelings make you weak. Your average homobeggar will strip your corpse clean in less than 7 seconds.

>>56985513
So it's the same company vs entrepreneurship argument. Tales as old as time.

>>56980854
I fucking hate them simply because Pako didn't deserve this

>>56985878
Mori, stop spamming your goddamn ventposts.

>>56985513
1 view males would have atleast a 3 view fanbase if they became holostars, not sure why these homos wanted to join so bad when they were already successful as indies. They probably thought they'd be as successful as girls like others keep parroting.

>>56981808
after that long suspension i'm guessing they're sick of waiting.

>>56985824
judging by how popular phase is on this board, you are wrong

>>56985878
Getting into Hololive JP or EN is instant grand success, you sob-story faggot.

>>56985878
Punished Mori: A girl denied her lean.

>>56981063
>They never cared about their fans
their fans can catch them on stream

>>56985878
This rrat is complete bullshit because Mori din't burn any "goodwill" for shilling Tempiss, everyone fucking knew she would speedrun jump onto collabs with them and nobody was surprised because that's just who Mori is, always obsessed with interacting with males. And it hardly compares to the amount of shilling she did for her gaggle of e-celeb grifters.
Only thing that might have burned goodwill was when she blatantly poisoned Kronii with anti-idol brainrot.

>>56982368
Holy fuck thats so autistic. Honestly i would quit too

>>56980854
>>56985954
I believe in this rrat >>56914990

>>56982755
not even Genshin man I like her genshin zatsus but Terraria is just fucking awful

>>56982368
If they asked to play my game I would definitely only give perms to the girls and let the homos mald.

>>56984100
Both nijiEN and holoEN got BG3 cover at the same time
and Selen said at least for their side, it was thanks to doppio finding some Q&A/FAQ from Larian that allowed them to stream
I wouldn't be surprised this information was shared between talents and Cover skipped this so called "legal document"

>>56980854
>not even you deserve this shit
I don't agree, since this generation they became very annoying

>>56983820
nijisanji is ok with implicit permissions and sometimes just ignores conditions under which permissions are granted. it's simply easier to ask for forgiveness or correct the "mistake" when found out.
>used a bgm without permissions? cut the vod or receive permission after the fact for optics on the copyright owner side
>used art without permission? blur the vod
>played a game behind paywall that's not allowed to be paywalled? set the vod to public
>took donations while playing a game that doesn't allow monetisation? OY VEY nuke the vod
>never apologise for anything publicly if you can avoid it
it's also worth remembering that nijisanji started with the permissions meme, which no one gave a fuck about at the time. at some point in 2020, they were given explicit permission by capcom for something, which they told fans, which then turned around and started asking if cover had permissions to play capcom games, and they didn't, which got Mio's ghost trick vods spam reported and eventually struck for copyright, which set the holocaust into motion.

>>56984514
How will we make threads about them now?

>>56981223
classic

>>56981804
>Fuck off
more like getting terminated for not supporting the cause

>>56980854
Why are you guys still talking about him if you didn't like him so much?

>>56981063
If they only cared about money, they would have 100% done a grad stream as those are massive fair well money bags.

>>56985954
Seeing how Omega tried his hardest to blur the lines and normalize mixed interactions, they were probably expecting to be able to collab with Holos freely. When they realized the best they were gonna get was Mori and Kronii, it just wasn't worth it anymore.
For Magni specifically, the fanbase burned his bridge into the asian twitch circle by doxxing Daph39.

>>56985786
That sounds like he's coping to me.
Making a bit higher that minimum wage or below US average/median just for the satisfaction of "being a vtuber" is not enough for most sane individuals.

>>56985921
The problem with Holostars is not even about the company. It's about the fact that the audience for male vtubers is extremely small.

I think Cover is a respectable company that treats their employees well but there just isn't enough money to go around for male vtubers.
They would literally need to subsidize other branches and activities just to pay the Holostars members which obviously is not going to happen in the context of a company where if an endeavor doesn't turn a profit it gets cut.

>>56985954
That's a possibility. They probably thought that they would be as popular as the less popular girls, let's say for instance Kiara who gets 3-5K viewers.

But they didn't so they decided to try their luck as indies again.

>>56985427
>thinking the choice of a graduation has to do with them instead of the company
>thinking they're the ones in control of communication and not the company
If you're going to anti, at least don't be a retard when doing it.

>>56982817
>>56982862
Just a heads-up; it doesn't matter how many times you call people obsessed, they *will* have a dedicated group of antis from now on that will gloat any time they fuck up/have another meltdown. Shaming them won't stop them.

>>56981272
cope loser

>>56982519
Its called japanese law, anon

>>56986285
That certainly puts Kiara's weird comment about "finding BG3 perms under a table" in a different light... However there are many examples of companies giving blanket streaming permissions and Cover still insists on autisming their way into getting their signed documents anyway, so it would be very surprising if they suddenly skipped that

>>56986463
I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case. That Stars were assured they'd have a place at the larger Hololive table. Then when Omega got ousted, upper management was like "who the fuck told you that?" and reneged on the entire thing.

>>56986392
Not a nijinig but the permissions crap was inevitable given how autistic nips are about copyright.

>>56981377
I legit watch Hololive and likely won't be going away. I don't see the issue.

>>56985818
No thats not how it works. These models aren't some Mangus Opus for him, it's just work

>>56980854
Getting offended for someone else? Are you a tranny?

>>56986699
Okay Da Vinci, how do you explain pako's 8 month long twitter depression arc?

>>56984881
Faggot, pako went all in on the vtubing rabbit hole
a quick look at his twitter there tons of fanart of all sorts of chuubas from holo to niji and even ironmouse

>>56986144
Sure, hows notzaion doing after all that drama? 2view yet?

>>56986851
Because he's an unstable twitter fag artist. Dude probably has the mental stability of 13 year teenage girl on her first period

>>56982218
Cope stupid faggot. Keep regurgitating catalog shitposting dumb whore

>>56981602
You do know 3K is a good number right? That legit puts him in the 0.5% of VTubers.

>>56986642
indeed, nintendo was already infamous for their copyright strikes in the west at the time, so nijisanji didn't invent the concept of permissions and capcom didn't invent the concept of copyright strikes, but their actions at the time certainly drew attention to the niche, with lasting effects for all relevant parties

>get suspended for over a month
>can't even do a graduation stream
>catalogfags seething that they start streaming for their fans again
Why are indonesians like this? Genuine inquire.

>>56982183
Without knowing the specifics of their contract, it's impossible to say for sure, but it's possible that their contract had already expired, meaning a graduation stream would either need to involve a whole new contract just for one stream, or they just do the stream and don't get paid.
Considering how massive of a payday graduation streams usually are, it's odd that they'd just choose to not do one, unless they're not seeing a cent of that money.

>>56986472
working a normal job with no savings
to
quitting job and accumulating savings
isnt "a cope" its an objective fact. he was VERY blunt with the fact that he might have gimped his early popularity, but he OBJECTIVLY doesn't have those money issues. those two were miles more popular than he was

>>56986892
Last I remember she's been doing better than most of the female nijis

>>56980854
>I never liked them but I feel sorry for what you are going through homobeggars, not even you deserve this shit
LMAO
Go look at the orc faggots general, they're sucking him off for shitting all over them.
>>56984867
>>56985045
>Still begging
>>56983809
>>56983862
>>56983873
>>56983990
>>56984081
>>56984326
>>56984452
>>>>TALENT FREEDOM
>>56986156
>Wishing he'll leak shit and damage Hololive
They're going to be so fucking mad when he flops lmao

They were fired for subordination and being overall incompetent retards. Why are beggars pretending that they resigned with no graduation when those are the most profitable streams for a chuuba?

>>56986602
Yea they need permission for everything, this already establish. Last year rio from holostar got a youtube strike from a game ceo because he doesn't want him to progress past a certain storyline. And guess what, he dogeza himself after he got slap with the game permission cover legally got from his own game.

>>56986485
>thinking the choice of a graduation has to do with them instead of the company
yes
>thinking they're the ones in control of communication and not the company
yes

>>56983827
Considering he literally appears in Landon's stream occasionally, no, in fact he might follow them soon.
There's a good chance that Vesper and Magni left because they were being denied a ton of ideas or projects that could have given them a chance to appear in the spotlight without the need to rely on the girls. If anyone noticed Vesper's personality in his last few streams he seemed to have adapted a personality that was a lot more uncaring regarding things that might get him in trouble with management, I'd imagine because he knew he was leaving soon anyway.
From the very beginning Holostars EN were streaming with two audiences, one that actively supported them and hoped they succeed, and another one that's within the same fandom that were waiting for them to mess up just so they could say "I told you so" and all of them knew that. Tempus 1 tried breaking those expectations and did collabs with some of the EN girls, which while they were popular, those streams were the only high viewing streams that tempus ever did, which was probably demoralizing for them since it meant that they had to rely on leeching on the girls if they wanted any kind of meaningful exposure.

Tempus 2 hasn't collabed with any of the EN girls so far so I think it's safe to assume that management probably prevented them from doing so... I'd imagine management just told them to Collab in-between eachother since they were 8 members now.
Vesper was getting in fights with his own manager (which earned him the first EN member to ever get suspended in Hololive) and Magni seemed to agree with him since they both left together.
Hololive isn't a place where Male Vtubers can grow, the JP members might grit their teeth and bear with it (even though some of them ended up leaving anyway) but that's because there's no better alternative for them thanks to Japan's harsh work culture. But the EN members don't need to rely in Hololive past a certain point in order for them to grow, they already showed everyone that they're good entertainers/streamers and gathered a good enough audience that will basically guarantee that they'll stay as streamers for the future.

Tldr: Don't blame them for leaving, because they were dealt a sheit hand from the beginning, rather just be glad that past this point there's almost no reason for any of the girls to Collab with the guys if the end result will just be with them graduating.
Also here's a Randon clip that might interest some people, which puts things into perspective (excuse the reddit post)

>>56987098
Wow they're happy their oshi is back after a long hiatus. What a bunch of assholes.

>>56985595
Is that a rhetorical question?

>>56983338
how is this Grifting?

>Muh graduation stream
Maybe they just got fucked sideways by management behind the scenes? I can totally understand not wanting to do a graduation stream if so. Some management things just kills your soul.

>>56987098
They would have to actually watch him to be mad if he flops. Most of them will show up to a few streams but then run back to hololive because they only like things that everyone is talking about.

>>56987337
>how is using hololive as a funnel for your roommate career grifting?
Retard

>>56987098
I used to think agencies were a good thing because females needed a strong man to direct and control them without their streams turning to shit. Now I see that the type of man that is inclined to become a vtuber also need this.

>>56987278
You're genuinely retarded. They all sign waivers that would get them serious legal shit for breaking and the company has full control of all accounts. You're so desperate to shit on them, that you come to retarded baseless reasons to.

>>56987280
>The link in question
https://reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/s/IhDqE4jp6B

>>56980854
Qrd? Did they explain their circumstances yet?

>>56987280
then why even apply to holostars in the first place?

>>56987098
oh look another corpo cocksucker
in the end holofags are just the same as nijiniggers
burn the talents praise the brand

>>56980854
>Twitch
This is literally the worst part of this entire situation.

>>56987486
They're independent contractors that fulfilled their contract and chose not to renew. It's not like they even have the option of fulltime employment benefits anyway.
It's absolutely common, at least in the US, to not renew a contract, especially if you're unsatisfied, considering the the modern gig economy.
How is this a surprise to anyone? Do you all have jobs?

>>56987601
>#fuckcorpos
>#freedom
>#thanksforthemoney
>>56942763

>>56981063
This but gura

>>56986602
maybe Jap changed a bit of the autism in the branch

>>56987136
It's possible that whatever stopped them from streaming during the past two months also stopped them from doing graduation streams. Or they're evil, I guess?

>>56987486
>Noooo don't use my favorite company for your own benefit! Just let them take a huge cut of people's donations!
>You can't leave until x amount of time has passed and do the same thing afterwards or it means you're grifting
It's not like he's getting huge numbers after this. He would have benefited from waiting longer.

I do think he may have had an ungrateful mindset for the opportunity he was given, but if you don't know that holo management most likely has issues you're stupid

>>56981746
Why should they care about the company?
If the company was so valuable they probably would have stayed.

>>56980854
so the whole radio silence was that nigga getting ready for the gritting operation along with the other fag?
you sisters kept saying he never used twitter and the like and that he was some based old man...
guess he lied about that one lmao
>The blue homo was the good one all along
GRIM

>>56987688
I don't understand. You're sucking talent cocks and he's sucking corpo cocks. You're still sucking a cock.

>>56987673
He grew tired of the gays and the fujos that his bear orc model attracted. The audience he grifted off cover should help dilute that part of his old audience.

>>56987781
The way people think about vtuber agencies is in loyalty terms. If you don't want to keep working for them it means you betrayed them and their fans.

>>56980854
Literally who tho

>>56988068
you can tell the problem is not entirely on their side just by looking at these two's debut models

>>56985510
Anon, Coco made like 250,000 USD in her graduation stream. That's why the people calling them "grifters" or "took the money and bailed" are fucking retarded. They obviously wouldn't have made anywhere near as much as Coco, but it still would have been a lot of fucking money had they decided to do the graduation streams. This is clearly not a short-term fiscally-driven decision.

>>56987781
They're working under contract before they start streaming and renew after a year. Contract was renewed with the redesigns.

>>56980854
he just fucked myth and kronii and left like a boss

>>56987797
No yagoo... I remember he was posting the get magged or maggin time meme too

>>56981377
they will not fuck off cuz their """unity""" secures those 2 faggots checks from now on
we told you since the start all of them were grifter rats

We all know this is a termination of both of them because they are forced off their usual schedules before the debut of Advent, and they keep Magni/Vesper in a limbo until few weeks after Advent debut to not get the attention away from advent.

So why is Cover adopting this strategy from Anycolor? Because there are infinite benefits from it, namely
>"graduation" makes it seems voluntary compared to "termination"
We all know both of them are not quitting any time soon, they have no reason to. Their career in holostars are more successful than anything they could've get and especially Vesper has no back ups.
>there are less commotion and anger if you frame it as "graduation"
People will be sympathetic to both Cover and them because it is not addressed as something mandated from the company
>Cover doesn't need to give a reason for their departure
>Magni/Vesper cannot voice give their defenses for their departure
2 of these points are the most important ones. If it really is a graduation there should be a ceremony for both of them like what Cover usually do, but instead they chose to go the black company route, because there is something behind the scene that Cover doesn't want you to know.
>they can graduate whoever they want from now on
If people didn't object to this, Cover can just do this to any of their talent from now on, with the procedure spelt out
1. Force the talents to stop streaming for period of time
2. Let the interest of the talents die down
3. Announce their "graduation" using their peers, who are pressured to maintain the "good vibes" or else they will be the next

Magni and Vesper are deprived of a chance to meet their fans for the last time. Do you still think this termi- I mean, "graduation" is fair? Do you think it will never happen to your oshi?

>>56987781
>>56988178
If people actually thought like this, no one would ever be complaining about streamers for not streaming because as independent connectors they're free to do anything they want as long as they abide by their contract.
People don't view vtubing through a legal viewpoint.

>>56987673
I mean they were the first EN gen of Holostars, they probably thought they could change the formula and prove everyone wrong, which they almost did but it came at the cost of putting the EN girls at risk since some of them got lost fans and gained permanent haters after they got involved with them.
In some way they did leech off Hololive, and betrayed a lot of their fans (and pako) while doing so, but it also feels like they had to do that if they wanted any chance to grow properly and have the freedom to do what they want without getting into fights with their own management.

>>56988279
they didn't need to do one because they made more than they ever had by doing nothing. Vesper the coward mentioned on stream and laughed about it

>>56985513
The girls worked hard to get in the position they’re in. Or are you acting like girls like Miko weren’t averaging 50 viewers back in the early days of Hololive?

>>56988386
I ain't reading all that.

>>56988145
Imagine being the dingo, got fucked by the two genmates he liked and is now stuck with Altare.
He's just gonna try to integrate with the JP scene even more.

>>56986462
they only care about money but they're also fucking stupid, hence their current position

>>56981741
Hand picked by yagoo he said

>>56988521
He already has. Not like they're banned from collabing with nijis. They do it all the time with rust and GTA.

>>56988386
they chose not to do a stream.. please read the notice and listen to the tempus stream

>>56980854
YEAH BABY
We are so back!

>>56988403
They steam because they take a cut of whatever profits they make from every stream.
It's their source of revenue, so it's in their interest to stream more, even if there's a bare minimum.
It's anything but altruism, if that's what you're implying.

>>56987280
You faggots and your obsession with who collabs with who is what makes the fandom an absolute cesspit.

>>56988386
Holy fuck, the retardation. They both didn't renew their contracts. They weren't terminated. There will be a very easy way to see if they were terminated or not, just by checking if their public VODs remain on their channels. In all instances of terminations by Cover, the channels were wiped of most if not all content.

This is what happens when picking grifters instead of people who appreciate Holostars JP

>>56988279
Let me explain it for you since you and the antis you're replying you are too stupid to connect the dots.
They're grifters because their long term plan was always joining for a year a ditching, no intent to stay for a long time and grow the brand. Ditched their genmates with no remorse and no thought for all the sacrifices made to help them
They're unable to perform one last grift (their payday) because they were already out of contract by the time they decided to not renew their contracts. No contracts so they can't stream as their old models anymore. You think cover wouldn't love one last payday? They get a huge cut of graduation streams too.

>>56988960
Still peddling the contract rrat when we all know what happened to Sana huh?

>>56988977
You fucking idiot. Cover has said time and again that ALL superchats go to the talent in graduation streams, aside from YouTube's normal cut.

>>56984526
The purple commando will probably join, screencap this

>>56988977
I'll go out on a limb and say that it doesn't seem like they planned it that far in advance.
They genuinely seemed passionate about being in holostars for the first couple months, but you could actually see them losing that passion in real-time, especially after every time they'd vent about perms or their ideas getting veto'd.
Whatever grievances they had with being a holostar clearly developed over time, which led to the final two months of putting in the bare minimum effort.

>>56988621
Coincidentally the only one avoiding the rust server is Axel.

>>56988279
>>56987004
>>56986462
>>56982597
>>56983694
>>56984653
>>56985131
>>56987363
>>56987885
>>56988386
>Announce graduation
>IMMEDIATELY schedule a roommate stream
>Technically not even graduated yet
>All the money that would have gone through your graduation stream (Percentages taken by Youtube and Cover) now go directly to you in your "welcome back" hugbox stream
Are you really too stupid to put that together? It's practically two plus fucking two.

>56988386
Your rrat would be plausible if there was supporting evidence for it, like the metric fuckton this board has collected on kurosanji. Try again.

>>56989278
What's stopping them from double dipping on the graduation stream AND their return stream?
By the numbers, there's a much greater chance that people don't even know about their RM, which means less money overall.
The math doesn't work out.

>>56989240
Vesper lost his passion after the suspension.
Magni lost his passion when he got in that car crash, allegedly.

>>56989278
There would have been at least 20k watching their graduation streams. How many do you think they'll have watching them play Stardew Valley, anon?

>>56988386
Termination rrat is stupid. Cover opens itself up to retarded Japanese slander law if they straight up lie about shit and keeping two talents on the bench for two months before firing them is another easy lawsuit.

>>56989427
they got their viewers who will support them no matter what they do

>>56989517
>There would have been at least 20k watching their graduation streams
Fucking hell you sisters are insane

>>56987673
For the same reason why anyone would want to be in hololive. Stream, entertain, sing, etc.
The problem is the hololive fandom itself in that they are largely unwelcoming and toxic. They don't even realize that their shitty behavior is going to come to a head and the company as a whole will have to make a more aggressive response.
It's like working in an office where one or two tards are ruining everything for everyone else because they're not getting everything they want.

>>56987597
Unfortunate that this wasn't the person he turned out to be. Instead of this he was just an antagonistic inconsiderate asshole who caused trouble for his coworkers and enjoyed fanning flames between fanbases.

>>56981846
I thought Randon prefered Youtube? Just watched him a few times, but I remember his main channel was on Youtube and he just tried Twitch a few times to compare them

>>56989741
How many people watched Vesper's new model stream? Here, you can look at the picture for the answer.

>>56989278
>Announce graduation
>Two talents out of a job
>Presidential election in Nov '24
It's like you're a god-damned retard or something, you can't even do basic math that a brain-damaged mongo can do, easily.

>>56989427
>What's stopping them from double dipping on the graduation stream AND their return stream?
The fact that some people would just throw everything at one of them.
>By the numbers, there's a much greater chance that people don't even know about their RM, which means less money overall.
Are you actually joking? The dox sisters wouldn't know about the most obvious roommate shit everyone and their mother knows? AFTER the orc spear posts "HEY GUYS IT'S ME DID YOU KNOW IT'S ME?!"?

>>56990004
that guy is just baiting. that's why he masstags and trolls the replies with reaction images.

>>56989902
I mean, he did say in his final WoW stream that the part that he liked most about being in holostars was streaming and shooting the shit with chat. It's all the clerical shit behind the scenes that he dislikes.

>>56989163
Do you really believe? Lol. Is there proof of this?

>>56989517
If they had a graduation stream there'd be an expectation of having to explain themselves.
With how it is now, they can always hide behind NDA for why they will never talk about their reason for quitting if they really want to.

>>56990237
The fact that cover treats holostars as second class citizens is a good enough reason to dip.

>>56980854
If any of you trannies is hungry for rrats and want to hatewatch both of these clowns
>USE STREAMLINK
or
(while HAVING Ublock origin with all the filters enabled)
>yt-dlp --cookies-from-browser <browser> --get-url https://www.twitch.tv/randonchannel
to get the .m3u8 link you can then play in a usable media player
>yt-dlp --cookies-from-browser <browser> --get-url <VOD link similar to https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1234567890 >
to get the VOD master link and do the same AFTER the stream (or download the stream)
Don't enable them by giving them watch and money due to ads
They want that

>>56989902
Sounds like your typical American co-worker

>>56990147
He posted it on his RM twitter. A twitter that only people who knew about his RM would even see in the first place.
Not all viewers are terminally online and aware of every talent's RM. If anything it's the minority, but our perspectives are skewed because we're literally posting on a taiwanese bean roasting forum dedicated to the hobby.
Most people aren't nearly as invested.

>>56990237
Right, and there would have been a huge payday for them as well. Which, if they were grifters or only in it for the money, they'd gladly come up with some dumb bullshit excuse/reason to take the thousands upon thousands of dollars that would be thrown to them.
I don't disagree that they're both terrible people and are not fit to be Hololive Production VTubers. I just disagree specifically that their motive is financial (as grifters have that as their motive) when they elected not to have an event that would have netted them a hefty sum of effort for relatively little effort.

>>56981388
He's /ourguy/ literally no denying it

>>56990592
>hefty sum of cash
derp

>>56990592
they'll get their pay when stream starts on twitch with a wb

>>56988403
>comparing regular streamers
Anon those two things are....

>>56990339
>Buy ads for them
>Shill them everywhere
>Make them the only option for the expo
>Instantly jump to defend them the moment Kronii shits the bed
>pic related
>Pay all the fees for whatever Axel wanted after his bad end night cover
>Debut a second gen before the first has even been around a year, while the Holo EN branch had been waiting over 2 years
>Reduce the collab ban specifically to allow them to collab with whatever girls they wanted
>>>second class citizens

>>56990225
Not that guy but that was definitely the case for Hololive China, when they announced that they were graduating they did say all donations during the time period that they were still in the company, up until they graduated would go to the streamer directly.

>>56988521
>>56989254
axel love
hope he stays strong
fuck the rest

>>56981388
they left like people here wanted and theyre still going crazy kek

>>56990754
Yes, second class citizens.

>>56989254
isnt Bettel avoiding it too?

>>56985954
I would join for the sole purpose of knowing I could talk to JP stars. Anyone joining for any other reason is a huge faggot and should be killed on sight.

>>56990482
>He posted it on his RM twitter. A twitter that only people who knew about his RM would even see in the first place.
You're right, sisters aren't at all known for hanging out in discords together and spreading all kinds of shit like that around. I was such a fool.

>>56990878
Oh you're right, I thought I saw a Rust frame from him.

>>56991042
he said he was gonna do a guerilla thing like what he did last time for stars JP. dude seems allergic to JP though

>>56987597
>vtubing is better than sex and helps me cope with my shitty job
Someone once said that vesper started to hate vtubing once it was no longer a hobby and he had to deal with managers and rules.

>>56990339
>treats holostars as second class citizens
you mean nigger fans like you?
the lads get every single option available to them from sponsorship to 3D equipment and invites to event or collabs with other big creators
but the one thing that sinks them is pathetic people like you that feel like that is not up to their retarded standards
you are the enemy

>>56990930
Gee, I wasn't aware that being on a fan discord was normal behaviour for every holofan.
I guess I'm the outlier by being a fan and never joining a single fan server.

>>56989741
we got 10K just for the StarsENs stream they did right after on axels channel. 20K is easily doable.

>>56980854
This makes me certain that the person behind Omega, who has since been canned, holds some kind of rights to Magni and Vesper, and is causing a huge legal stink behind the scenes. Cover tried to sidestep this with their new models, but then parted amicably with those two and waived their usual request to wait on streaming as a way to help them out after the process of cleanup was decided to be taking too long.

>>56991194
This, the amount of clout and connections you get from holostars is insane.
You could easily start an entertainment career after stopping just off of how many artfags suck you off.

>>56991179
Reminds me of Kiara's speech about how life as a Holo vtuber isn't all sunshine and rainbows
>There's a ton of work behind the scenes and you will get really frustrated and/or cry at times. You will also get a ton of hate for anything you do. Don't join if you expect it to just be fun and games.
Something along those lines.

>>56989254
Rust is a fucking shit game. If there is one thing i love about tempus is that they know to avoid terrible games like rust and minecraft.

>>56990592
The fact that magni is basically as big as the other EN girls on his RM is proof you need of how seriously fucked Cover is when running their operation and cultivating and curating their fanbase.

>>56991194
Honestly if I was Cover I'd just debut an entire branch separate from Hololive entirely, because trying to relate anything with males with Hololive clearly isn't working out.
Debut a new branch, on twitch, with no relation to Hololive past just having the name "Cover" to let people know what company they belong to, and just let them go absolutely wild.

>>56991194
>3D equipment
I'm pretty sure they're not given 3D equipment. Cover isn't Idol corp.
>Sponsorship
Tempus isn't in the big overwatch 2 sponsored event
>Invites to events
Small time events, doesn't really matter if their tickets sell out in minutes if its for a small thing.
>Collabs with other big creators
LOL
No
The enemy will always be holofags.

>>56989847
Two tards specifically, but it's fine now.

>>56981272
She's sleeping with her wives.

>>56991551
b-but /vt/ told me vtubing is the easiest job in the world. why is Orange Woman saying this?

We are always correct.
Come to the side of good.

>>56991752
I think they'll be a lot more selective about hiring talents with decently sized pre-existing fanbases from now on. A lot of them have a chip on their shoulder and understand that they have options.
They've had a decent run with it so far and figured big names was the way to go, but it hasn't really come back to bite them in the ass up until now. Probably didn't occur to them that their brand could be used by the business savvy as a free publicity boost.

>>56992085
Yagoo's interview today seemed to imply that management never really planned to support them with 3D shit.
His answer to why it took them so long to debut new EN girls was
>The girls were very unsatisfied with not getting 3D support and we didn't want to debut new girls who would have the same resentment.

>>56981753
They're the lolcows of the day. Give it at least another week.

>>56988495
the girls worked hard?
how did Bijou work hard when she got 5-10K viewers the instance she joined Hololive, retard?

>>56981388
unironically, it's mostly sisters
unicorns don't give 2 fucks about these dudes (or hope they die for no reason, I guess)
regular people go "oh it's a bummer they left"
sisters are upset that THEY BETRAYED THEIR FANS by WALKING AWAY FROM A JOB WITH A CONTRACT and how they're just WHORES and HURT ALTARE'S(or whoever they cared about) FEELINGS

Meanwhile these dudes clearly checked out due to Japanese business hardballing, ran some napkin math and decided checking out would be good'nuff for them and they can still hang out together while being more inflammatory and playing whatever.

>>56982519
It's not Cover it's the game companies.

>>56992646
>unicorns don't give 2 fucks about these dudes
Are you blind or retarded? Unicorns are easily the most invested and obsessed with shitting on the homos and have been for the longest time.

>>56992304
The problem is usually males. Vesper did a speed run on being the first EN suspension.

>>56991752
is that why they left thru the backdoor?
and since you make claims with no proof
>*checks last boost stream ccv*
>【1.5 MODEL DEBUT】 The one, the only, the GREAT Magni Dezmond
>10k308
10309 tomorrow, right?
as big btw

>>56987570
Not enforceable troon.
Cry more.

>>56986955
>it's just work
>but it isn't because he's mentally unstable
So, what is it? Just a job? Is it more than that for the mental cases? It can't be both.

>>56987136
>They were fired for subordination
>subordination
So they were fired because they obeyed cover?

>>56992304
kek that "boost" didnt even las that much magnis rm is already a 3views and its going to be the same for the other fag, hell be a 2 view or lo3 view in no time. Just give it some time. Cant even leech properly.

>>56992775
No, it's cover getting burned by the law once and deciding that it should be standard operating procedure to get perms for EVERYTHING.
Most indie devs would just see the request and wonder why they'd even ask in the first place.

>>56992646
>the obvious """unicorn"""
go back to your discord you grift enabler

>>56992944
anon you know 3rd worlders dont understand English that well no need to mock them

>>56993071
Vesper already rubbed the doxx sisters the wrong way by ghosting them and then pulling that stunt on rm.

>>56987570
>"I have never worked in my life, look at me"
no need to scream don't worry

>>56981660
>Council girls successfully fucked the yab out of Kronii
S-sugoi...

>>56980854
They should do a The Squad collab with all roommates
That would really own the haters

>Men shows up at the company
>"Fuck off fag"
>Men bullied out of company
>"Hurr traitor whore left us"
Literally abuser mentality. Of course most of you are single, basement dweller, or both.
Leave them alone, you shithead.

>>56992072
twitch visibility is dogshit

>>56992304
There are several big Holos and they haven't been massive fuck ups and landmines. Only these fags ended up failures of such scale.

>>56986103
Why do all the men she shills end up being shit people?

I don't have anything against the talents themselves but I'm glad Tempus is blowing up in Cover's face. Maybe now they'll stay in their fucking lane.

>>56993138
What did you mean by that? Obvious who?

>>56991752
He isnt retard he keeps reclining check his numbers, but i guess with his collab with the other retard he might get 1k but after so time theyll go back to being 2 and 3views.

>>56993290
>an entertainment company that requires them to sign an NDA just so people don't know who they are is the same as any other job
jesus fuck, this board is retarded

>>56992618
now without the tears
retarded 2view

>>56993465
this is literally the reason they left

Hololive is not a place for guys, so instead of getting hate from 95% of the Hololive audience while giving half your revenue to Cover why not go back being an indie
>collab with whoever you want
>get the Hololive fans off your back
>keep all the money

>>56993592
>completely ignores the argument
another sea subhuman, huh

>>56993349
That'll eventually happen, at least between NotMori, NotMagni, and NotVesper doing some DnD thing.

All you faggots saying leech should just go ahead and advocate for no more collabs for everyone.Afteral, you dont like leeching and in your book, collabing is leeching.

>>56993451
What did kokorobeats do to you, anon? Or Rikka?

>>56993777
And why wouldn't they include NotVesper's NotGirlfriend?

>>56993520
>800k youtube subs
Uh huh

>>56993644
They are already losing those "fans", they had an stable income, now they have to stream more = more work to earn some money , call me whe they collab with someone relevant, people wanted to collab with them only because of the blue dorito nothing elssw

>>56992435
So the original plan was EN and ID were just gonna be throwaway branches maybe to funnel shit into JP? Why did they give CN 3D though?

>>56992618
The girls just need to exist in order to instantly get 1 million subs. We all know this.

>>56993560
>*a japanese company
>foreigner (American in this case) contractors
>(((NDA)))
>only enforceable DURING a contract
good not only you are a retarded NEET, you also suck dick from grifting faggots like is candy.

>>56993891
true, I hate when they collab with people outside hololive

>>56992851
The first EN PUBLIC suspension.
Remember the Lean arc?

>>56991317
I considered this but couldn't reconicle them allowing an admin or jumped up management figure having legal rights to company IP. I mean I can envisage ways in which it's possible, but it's just so unlikely that a company would agree to it that I could only dismiss the notion.

>>56993235
You do know that the term is INsubordination, right?

This isn't a flammable-inflammable thing.

>>56980854
>Two days
>Not even graduated officially yet
>Stream to get the clout
Sisters deserved it to be honest, look how they laugh in their fucking faces

>>56988102
The company is valuable they aren't, which what pissed them off.

>>56991194
Call us enemies how much you want, it won't change the fact that the boys aren't 10% as successful as the girls, unless a Kuzuha appears on holostar they'll always be third class citizens

>>56987160
Was it Atlus? Because that's the only company I can think of that does this kind of bullshit legal trolling with streamers.

KEKAROOOOOO !!

>>56993389
The top SC earner of 2021 and the top SC earner of 2022 says hi.

>>56994367
The issue is that the person in question wouldn't even need to actually own the rights, they'd just need to be able to muddle the process such that Cover is forced to act. It's, ironically, Magni's very own personal Ken Penders situation.

>>56994110
exactly, that's why Holostars can't work as a concept
men don't get viewers by joining corpos so why not graduate and try as an indie

>>56994084
EN and ID were supposed to be throwaway branches until they blew up in popularity.
Amed state that for most of Myth's first year, they only had 3 employees total for the EN branch (two managers and omega).
They were probably forced to give CN 3D due to their contract with B2.

>>56994323
>not ever stated a suspension
>brapper was active the whole time, just not streaming
So this whole radio silence before the termination was indeed them being suspended then, right?

>>56993644
>Hololive is not a place for guys
Good thing they never joined that group then.

>>56987098
>leak shit
Oh I hope they dare to do it and I hope they find out what happens next

>>56994597
This is a stupid argument because Cover decided to create HolostarsEN in the first place.
Losing the two most successful EN Holostars certainly does hurt them if they still plan on investing in their success and supporting them.

>>56994689
It was the CEO of MAGES fucking Chiyomaru Shikura
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-08-19/holostars-vtuber-minase-rio-corporate-approved-anonymous-code-livestream-gets-copyright-takedown/.188797

>>56994017
He also has 50% of Henya's subs on twitch, and henya averages 4-8k

>>56994715
At least try to follow the conversation retard

>>56994323
Retarded Nijifaggot.

>>56994017
The retard wants to be a a "succesful" streamer thats why im talking about that and he cant do it, not even with his youtu be channel not leeching from hololive.

>>56989518
They were terminated the corporate Japanese way. Offering a contract the boys would never sign.

>>56995077
Or they just asked to leave.

>>56994631
>proves the claim

>>56994036
Cover was taking 50% of their shit. If they do 50% worse, they'll be right where they were with a lot less corporate bullshit. And with American tax shenanigans, they're probably in a really better place if they're getting $$$ straight from YT/Twitch/Streamelements/etc. vs going through a Japanese corporation which is probably subject to some weird US conversion law shit.

>>56987688
I sided with Aloe, I sided with Coco, I sided with Sana's choice, I also sided with Rushia, hell I even argued in pro of not disolving the CN branch. But don't expect me to side with these pair of faggots, they ruined the fun for too long, I'll side with cover no questions asked.

>>56994017
95% of people that watch his channel won't watch his streams, just like a meme channel would flop with 1 hours videos, so that audience is almost useless if his target is being a streamer

>>56994773
Because being an indie means being nothing.

>>56995260
Always believe women, so true sis

>>56986103
When did her audience numbers dip? Was it after tempus or before?
Not that it proves anything, but if fewer people tuned in after she started collabing that's a factor that shouldn't be dismissed so hastily.

>>56985513
Because they have different goals. For Axel and Hakka (one a utaite the other an aspiring singer) having the chance to practice, made contact and even release a song and on top being paid for talking to a camera is a no brainer. Even Flayon considering his rm line of work, having a stable income in an adjacent industry is much better than being a waiter or any other wagie job. You could say the same for guys from the JP side.
Vesper on the other hand, doesn't have any interest on sing or dance or perform in 3D. He just wanted to play games on front of his chat.

>>56990339
They lost a shit tonne of money investing in the boys. They need the girls to bail them out again...

>>56994110
CouncilRyS has existed for two years and IRyS and Moom are still crawling...crawling...crawling....

>meanwhile Kobo

>>56995267
As a male, the only way you can get views is to be an extreme clout chaser like moist critical or xqc. As he is now, he's just a more intelligent lost pause.

>>56995229
Proof?
Fucking Roboco annihilates half of tempus alone

>>56994773
Luxiem?, noctix? loren, kuzuha, kanae, and other niji jp livers? Reid? shibuhal?, astel, roberu to a lesser extent.

The problem is some faggots are not cut for the job or they are just boring

>>56995347
All my girls deserve to be declared innocent until proven wrong, all homos are guilty until proven wrong, simple as.

>>56991317
That's an interesting rrat.
So there would normally be a non-compete clause or something, instead waive graduation and waive the non-compete so they can start doing stuff? Interesting.

How long was Sana's 1st stream after her graduation?
How long was KSon's?

i hope people go into their "new" chats and spam yabba dabba doo until he bans it or spergs out.

>>56994773
Holostars can work as long as the fanbase isn't busy being petulant children that sperg out over delusions.

>>56991551
And to think, of all the EN girls, Kiara has had the most experience with shitty real-world jobs. So if this is coming from her, it's really not sunshines and rainbows.

I hope Shiori keeps going.

>>56994367
Could be a Ken Penders situation where he just signed the documents giving him the rights to characters because his job gave him the power to, that led to a huge fucking mess.

>>56995255
They were getting , cut from merch and a stable income, thats not counting the revenue from their channels which is split with cover.

Just give it a month or 2 theyll fall into irrelevancy like they were always meant to be.

>>56994961
Reading comprehension, retard.
You lack it.

>>56995785
Shame she didn't learn from those shitty real world jobs. If she did, then she wouldn't be such an annoying piece of human shaped trash.

>>56995568
I was mostly thinking about EN vtubers and Luxiem and Noctyx are fucking dead if you haven't noticed.
>Mysta graduating
>the rest are streaming for 2-3K and DROPPING

>>56995283
retard

>>56995746
>Holostars can work
see pic related

>>56995255
US tax law exists for the sole purpose of fucking over everyone who isn't already a millionaire.

>>56994730
Possible, but playing games like that in the context of business in Asia, especially Japan where everything is based on your reputation, is severly short sighted and not prudent. They'd not be able to find work in that industry or any tangentially related field in Japan ever again when word would inevitably get around. And word always gets around. This kind of blacklisting is real, and serves to discourage being a difficult arsehole when you're on your way out.
I just don't think this is it.

>>56994817
Cover is not a place for guys
Hololive Productions (I hate this fucking term) is not a place for guys

You know what I mean, anon.

>>56981388
I think it's pretty cool they're free of the faggot anti-fun Cover jannies
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY NAUGHTY WORDS NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T PLAY THAT GAME NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN ONLY PLAY MINECRAFT AND APEX I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE
Kino is on the fucking menu
Please don't screenshot this, I know they're going to prove me wrong and it'll be the tamest watered down shit but I want to hope

>>56995746
>as long as the fanbase isn't busy being petulant children that sperg out over delusions
Hololive works and their fanbase is worse.

>>56994931
>losing the two biggest goldfish
I think they'll survive.

>>56993389
Kaoru allegedly cheated on his wife and fucked a bunch of female VTubers. She had to beg Cover to fire him.

>>56996170
>Rust
No one is going to watch that terrible game.

>>56995512
Charlie was always decently popular and got good viewer numbers even back when he was doing faceless monotone gameplay videos as the tittypeepoo man. He only recently fell into the whole drama shithole, and his content's worse off for it honestly.

>>56996298
The fact that nijisanji can be successful with males while cover cannot is hilarious.

>>56995746
>Holostars can work as long as the fanbase isn't busy being petulant children that sperg out over delusions.
You spoke as if Hololive is different
Nor Niji or even fucking indies

>>56996421
That's basically the meta for most streamers, drama and reaction. Let's be honest for a moment. Creativity always gets punished and people don't want it. Judge Magni was basically everything that i wanted from holopro and yet they can't even do shit like that anymore.
BECAUSE REASONS

>>56996527
women dont like backing the loser unless its their thing

>>56995187
>They get a offered a shit contract
>They ask to leave
It's the same thing

>>56996527
It is what it is.
Nijisanji's viewership is like 90% women and even then Nijisanji EN guys are dying.
>Iluna and Xsoleil guys are 3-views
>their latest wave is a trio of 3-views
>Mysta graduating
>Luxime streaming for 2K people these days and dropping
>Noctyx also reclining to 1-2K

>>56996527
One built its entire business and rep on girls.
The other had boys and girls from the start.

>>56995658
Extremely based and correct.

>>56980854
homobeggars and sisters in general would gladly laugh at you instead and even celebrate if you committed suicide cause a "GFE" vtuber girl graduated/collabed with a male/did a BF reveal stream

>>56996801
Yet it still doesn't change the fact that they're far more successful than 99.99% of streamers.

>>56997028
You think numberfags care about that when they only watch girls with 5 digit CCVs?

>>56995663
I checked Kson's and Namie's channels, and it seems neither of them streamed with a vtuber model within a month of starting up activities following the vtubers Coco and Sana graduating.
>>56996292
In a world where Billy Mitchell and Ken Penders exists, I don't doubt there'd be someone dumb enough to blacklist themself from ever working in their preferred industry again. If the guy behind Omega is American, and he likely is, he could even get off scott free doing this and go find work elsewhere.

>>56996527
The company focused in girls and took almost 2 years for the first male to debut is popular for the girls while the company that has males since it's inspection are popular for the males, what a surprise

>>56995658
so true, brother

>>56996527
Cover is incompetent. Not exactly a shocker.

>>56997028
It doesn't change the fact that 99% of streamers can't feed themselves if they don't have another job

>>56995732
getting my bots ready
and thanks to that anon above, no views for these faggots

>>56997244
QRD on those guys? Penders is some comic writer?

>>56980854
What's to feel sorry for? They're happy and free. Maybe now we can get the 24 hour x-com stream?

>>56996298
Then simply refuse it? Literally tell people you're not a part of "Hololive productions" (I hate the fucking thing too) and introduce yourself as a Holostar at every opportunity. Every time someone gets it wrong, correct them. The fact is that Magni at the very least purposefully did the exact opposite of that and tried shoehorning himself into "Hololive" on several opportunities. The main friction comes from a male only idol group and female only idol group owned by the same company being even relatively close to one another defeats a major point of both. I don't know why Cover's so fucking stupid to keep up the charade, just axe the fucking name and divorce the two groups completely, permanently.

>>56997631
Ken Penders and his Archie Sonic comic autism is too much to explain in a single post and I recommend you look him up, but Billy Mitchell is a supposed Donkey Kong world record holder who spends all his time suing anyone who brings up allegations that he cheated (which he did). He's currently in several legal battles he started, and is losing them.

>>56996140
Again, follow the conversation anon. You can pretend you did all you want, but so long as you say shit like that it's obvious you didn't.

>>56996333
>>56996572
>a majority in one is the same as a minority everywhere else
>hololive out of nowhere
See, one starts arguing for the lads, pin-pointing the problem and a solution but no no. We must keep acting like the fearsome """antis""" are there to get us and the only way to win is to lower your head and keep pandering to schizo fans.or owning le incels.
grow up.

>>56997631
Ken Penders was the writer and editor for the Sonic the Hedgehog comics during the 90s and early 2000s. He found out he had the authority to own the IP of any original characters he created, so he made a bunch of OCs, including a spin-off series of Knuckles extended family, then when SEGA introduced their own characters related to Knuckles he sued them. The lawsuit lasted almost a decade and was super messy and now he's blacklisted from the comic and video game industry and just runs the convention circuit to scrape by.

>>56998094
Thanks. I vaguely remember this shit from a decade ago on /co/.

>>56996527
>pandering to faggots twitter users and mentaly ill women is good
that worked out so good, huh
success all around