/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56942362
pink woman can be based sometimes

>>56942362
based pink woman

>>56942362
Did she really? I honestly hope so. People like to shit on Mori but she is cool sometimes.

>>56942362
Mori doing some good work lately. Keep it up pink woman.

>>56942362
Based friend of orange woman.

>>56942362
Actually based.

>>56942362
I appreciate pink woman’s gesture

>>56942362
Actual based move from her. Protect your kouhais.

I remember she unfollowed Vox after the all out war leak
But a few days later followed him again

>>56942362

>>56942519
She stopped listening to leddit, yesman, deathcuck and started listening to people who actually want good for her : her "anti".

>>56942362
please someone check this if its true. if its true i will watch your pink woman again

>>56942362
PINK WOMAN GOOD

>>56942681
She did that to shit on Fulgur who made the dumbest comment.

https://twitter.com/atelierjoshua/status/1694780395257033201
This dude actually just compared Fuwamoco doing asking for a jingle to Elon Musk asking for a twitter jingle and then locked the comments to people he mentions....

another one to the comission blacklist together with reNPC

>>56942362
nice one mori

>>56942362
No fucking way, any proof before and after?

>>56942362
>get community involved
Noope.
Nofun.jpg

>>56942362

>>56942362
JOSHUABROS... WHERE DID IT GO WRONG

>>56942362
hold the fuck up. as a fellow creator, shouldn't mori be on this faggot's side? the fag is right, is he not? what am i missing here?

>Cuckbeats
If all you associate with are pos then it says more about you than it does about them

>>56942861
Other members still use reNPC though I thought.

>>56942834
kek

>>56942362
based

>>56942362
Fellow freelance artists...learn to shut the fuck up.

>>56942362
I will give this one to Mori

>>56942362
please be true, have to check the vod later!

>>56942904
You're missing the part where it's okay when Hololive does it

Who the hell is this guy and what is wrong with him?

Fine, I'll watch Mori's holocure stream

>>56942362
She can be forgiven for her past. Mori, come home

>>56942748
I've been impressed with her over the last few months. She used to be so bad but she's making big improvements.

>>56942904
>using Mori's name in an attempt to shame the girls and get attention while acting all uppity for making her a shitty 10 seconds song
no way, he's just a salty schizo

OP here. I just made that shit up and you all believed me lol

>>56942904
he's right, and you're right, and what you're missing is the brand loyalty of holoslop fanboys

>>56942904
You might be too much of a zoomer to remember this, but back in the 90s~early 2000s, cartoons and other childrens' programs would ask kids to send in drawings to show on the screen.
It's supposed to be a fun thing for kids to participate in, and if they're lucky enough they can see their work actually pop up on the show they watch.
It's the same thing here, they want a fun little side thing that their fans can participate in and maybe even get their jingle on one of the episodes. It's not for professionals to super tryhard and make THE BEST EVER 10 second jingle that will DEFINITELY kick the asses of all the competition. THAT'S what they would pay for if they wanted something like it.

>>56942904
Anon, it's a 10 second jingle they're asking for, made completely for fun for the sake of engagement with their audience.

And this asshole is treating it like they're trying to create a Chinese sweatshop with no wages.

This situation is the very definition of
>"It's not that serious, bro."

>>56942904
Mori has had fan stuff submitted to her and she's made content out of it. It's not actually bad, nobody is being tricked deceived. The hololive girls already put all fan works in the credits and usually even @ the original artist on tweets where they use their art for thumbnails.
Dude is a a retard.

>>56943038
>what is wrong with him?
He's Finnish

>>56942362
Here new mori henshin
https://files.catbox.moe/9xnuzd.mp4

>>56942904
This guy's meltdown is disproportionate to what is actually being asked for and extremely unprofessional.

>>56943038
>Elon Musk asks for a 10 second jingle
>10s of thousands of entrants desperate for a scrap of recognition
>entire cottage industry starts up farming offence bait on behalf of beleaguered artists
sounds like an economic win for everyone involved?

>>56942477
She did the same with Luxiem and noctyx when they shittalked council in that discord leak, later she followed everyone but fungus.

>>56942904
He's not wrong but creators aren't forced to make the jingle, they can just not do it if they don't like doing it for free. I think Mori's right to support her coworkers (friends?). From a fan's perspective, the jingle could become a meme of the community, that alone making it worth it.

>>56942904
Fuwamoco aren't demanding anybody to do anything you freak. People make fanart for hololmen for free all the fucking time. You don't need to make the jingle if you feel like you are too good for it. People who like Fuwamoco will go ahead and do it for fun because they want to.
Seems to me he is just autistic and upset about his lack of fincancial success and is having an overly big reaction to nothing?

>>56942904
You missed the part where you're on a blue board anon, if it was Niji begging for a jingle then he would be correct. the dogs are allowed to do it because they're cute

>>56942362
Mori does good. Sometimes

>>56942362
Get a load of this retard

>fuwamoco: I consent
>ruffians: I consent
>rando's on twitter: I don't
Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?

mf will believe anything that is posted in the catalog kek

>>56942362
Did she also unfollow that cunt can someone confirm lol

>>56942861
I'm out of this loop. What did reNPC do?

>>56942904
See:>>56943550

>>56943549
I ain't reading that.
Also who the fuck uses light mode?

>>56942362
>unfollowed him
>removed his music
>his shred of clout is gone
KEK. Mori has all kinds of issues but one good thing about her is that she won't put up with people shittalking her colleagues unless their name is Connor

>>56942904
>trying to cheat an artist out of a commission pay out
>asking for something on a voluntary basis with no expectation of pay from the get-go

Retards can't tell the difference between the two.

>>56943317
Even Capcom has done it for decades when it comes to the Mega Man series.
Kids have sent their Robot Master/NetNavi designs and the more appealing ones become actual characters.

Has Mori seen this? Can somebody make sure she does?

>>56943663
kek based calli

>>56942904
>what am i missing here?
You're missing the part where the fag is wrong. You're also probably missing several million brain cells or so.

>>56943699 (me)
This one too.

>>56943386
top kek

>>56943541
no they would (rightfully) conclude that nijisanji is too stingy for its talents to afford commissions lmao, now stop trying to be the victim of things that never happened you fucking woman(male)

>>56943699
Know that yugioh did that too. https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Fan-Made_Cards

>>56943773
>>56943663
Kek

>>56943550
almost forgot the Holy Spirit, thanks for reminding anon!

>>56942362
Mori gets too much shit.
She's a good lad.

>>56943550
me. an artist,

you guys prob dont know this coz u are robots who work 9-5 for sweatshops

but art is a hard thing to do and should be compensated.

>>56943773
There goes his clout and future projects in hololive. God what an idiot.

>>56943514
>pic
So it's just a broke faggot who wanted to participate for exposure but also want money out of it, got it

There's so many menhera hololive content creators, this guy is even tame compared to people like Miuryu Kei or that Holobass guy who nuked their entire careers over sperg outs.
But I guess it's just artists in general that are absolute piece of shit people

>>56943317
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6KrovQg8dQ
NOOOOOOO THEY HAVE TO BE PAID THEY'RE A BIG COMPANY THEY CAN'T JUST EXTORT KIDS FOR FREE FANART
AIIIIIIE MUSICMAN SAVE MEEEEEEEEE

>>56942362
Sorry, Calli, for shitting on you all this time, even though I dare call myself a Ruffian. Pink woman is based and I was wrong

>>56943928
Ok anon, than don't do it. No one is forcing you to. Anyone who enters knows that it isn't compensated and thus has made the decision to do it anyway. You seem to be upset about this for some reason.

>>56943038
If Elon Musk held a fan contest for a twitter jingle there wouldn't be anything wrong with it either. Is Joshua a literal communism or something? In that case he should be all for people not getting paid for their work kek

>>56943928
Don't participate then? If you don't have enough money to superchat do you get angry about people that can doing it?

>>56943928
>muh labor theory of value
digging holes in the morning and filling them again in the evening is hard work too, good luck trying to get paid for it

>>56942362
oof, but seriously, what kind of asshole would have such an hostile reaction towards these pair of fluff balls?

>>56943773
>AAAAACK!

>>56943317
you can't post this image without posting the full context

>>56943928
lmao don't blame us that no one wants to pay for your shitty art. people already send fuwamoco money for free, a donation in form of a 10 second jingle is no different and it's a honor to even be featured in their channel

>>56944036
if anything he's the complete opposite of a commie with that take you /pol/ retard

>>56943317
That dog was certainly from the pov of artist. So accurate even the feet

>>56943928
Are they forcing you to participate, anon?

>>56943928
This is just as retarded as asking a few friends if they could give you a hand painting your house for free beer and a BBQ and then get a random painting contractor throw a fit a you because "painting is a hard thing to do and should be compensated"

>>56942904
It's just a dumb little jingle that could be 3 seconds long, it's like demanding people who take photos for room review streams get paid

>>56943317
>>56944115
People call this a meme but that winner is actually the better piece than some random boring head cut with flowers

>>56942362
HOLY BASED

>>56944115
(more)

>>56942362
>>56943514
This cunt acts all uppity while my poor girlfriend Miori was doing music mixing "for free" until her fans convinced her that she is good enough to charge something for her work (and she charges very little anyway).

>>56942904
>as a fellow creator
anon, shitposts aren't exactly a profitable business

the most frustrating thing about this shit is the fucking tourists and people who clearly do not watch FWMC

they explicitly stated on stream the jingle is UP TO 10 seconds max. MEANING you can submit a fucking 5 second, 3 second, whatever second fucking jingle it's just max 10s. you can LITERALLY make yourself have even less work. and FWMC morning is streamed always 3 days a week, you have something popping up every 3 days for the foreseeable future - it's both good exposure, good fan-to-talent interaction, and NOT A LOT OF WORK, and you bet your ass they will credit you, bau bau fuck this

>>56944285

>>56943907
>Vshojo, Connor, Nijien, now this guy
How many Ina’s friends/contacts or Gura’s have shit on Holos?

>>56943968
No need to dance around it. He made a 15s music clip once and Mori was generous to pay him for it so now he thinks it's the way of the world and he's entitled to get paid for another 10s music clip.

>>56942362
WHAT? YOU'RE GIVING THEM FREE MUSIC BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING IT OUT OF PASSION AND IN SUPPORT OF THEM?? AND YOU DON'T MIND GETTING PAID FOR IT ?? THIS IS ELON MUSK LEVELS OF EXPLOITATION AIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE

>>56944228
I remember Ame literally asked for props for her arms, even made a hashtag. She also did the whole
>draw the Ame thing
and nobody said any shit. The faggot in the OP has "alchemist" on its bio so me thinks this is about something else kek.

>>56944344
We all know no one watches streams and just read threads anon.

>>56944351
not mori's fault, man. come on, any attack on holo is an attack on her

>>56943928
stop you are embarrassing us

as "artists", we are not entitled to shit

>>56942904
He's wrong because participation in this jingle contest is completely voluntary. If someone doesn't want to do it for free, they can simply choose not to participate as no one is being forced to submit anything. The guy just comes off as a faggot who wants attention when he could have easily kept his mouth shut.

>>56944346
>>56944285
>>56944115
Why the fuck is this dog so unphotogenic lmao

>>56942904
This is really simple to understand. They want a jingle and will feature that on their stream. All of that shit is credited in description. Should you find that appealing, submit your work. If you do not, dont. That's the contract. This isnt some 4kD chess move by cover stealing millions of dollars from creators either.

>>56944284
Well Miori is a good girl albeit very menhera. And she doesn’t really associate with people that shit on her friends

>>56942362
nothing new for holowhores

>>56944344
If faggot actually watched streams /here/ there would never be any "drama". And yeah, this whole thing is just about fan interaction, nothing malicious from fuwamocos side.

>>56943928
Good god. If you “artists” think like this, it is no wonder that you guys are starving.

>>56944568
KEK

>>56944423
Tell me who you walk with and I'll tell you who you are

>>56944096
>what kind of asshole would have such an hostile reaction towards these pair of fluff balls?
Joshua's probably a literal sociopath. He seems unable to comprehend the idea that a person would willingly produce free work solely for the gratification of helping someone they like.

>>56944147
>made a commie seethe without even trying
Damn, I'm just too good

>>56943928
I never received a single penny for my art. Yet im still surviving. You know why? Because i work a 9-5 job. Maybe stop complaining and get a real job loser lol

>>56944344
this yab only exists in the mind of a few twitter troons and the FWMC antis.

>>56944597
but i'm a deadbeat and i would NEVER be delusional

>>56943080
Any goodwill I had went out the window with the bg3 collab

>>56942362
UHHHHHH WHY THE FUCK AREN'T THEY PAYING PEOPLE FOR THE DOG PICTURES???? DON'T THEY KNOW PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHERS EXIST??? YOU HAVE THE MONEY PAY A PHOTOGRAPHER DIRECTLY OR AT LEAST PAY THE WINNER A LICENSE FEE!

>>56944618
people dont by stickart dipshit, thats why you get sweatshop 9-5 work

>>56944568
i vaguely remember this guy, didn't he do some schizo shit

>>56944735
That anon is obviously a cuckbeat.

>>56944568
>make a music solely based on a hololive girl
>your entire relevancy is being a beggar for Holo girls
>I'M ENTITLED TO YOUR SUCCESSSSSSSSSS
I hate "artists" so much it's unreal. What's next, clippers wanting permission for holos when they react of even talk about their clips?

>>56943317
I remember when I was watching One Piece last year for the first time and I got to Water 7 the endings to the episode were the straw hats walking through a museum and the art work was art submitted by kids whk were fans of the show. Thought it was really cute.

>>56943928
Artists laughed when blue-collar workers were replaced by robots and immigrants

PLA PLAP PLAP PLA PLAP PLAP PLA PLAP PLAP PLA PLAP PLAP
PLA PLAP PLAP PLA PLAP PLAP PLA PLAP PLAP PLA PLAP PLAP
GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED GET REPLACED

>>56944685
I was refering to Mori...

This is what happens when people that don't truly care about something try to get into the community

>>56943360
I checked and he's a Finnish-American apparently. It's the Americans who are always trying to be the world's moral police on the internet so that's where that instinct comes from.

>>56942362
I kneel

Pero is an ero ojisan...

>>56945011
It’s a rather common thing to do

>>56945074
You can be arrested for misgendering your country is shit

>>56944963
shitposting is unpaid labor. more effort has been expended on this thread for less reward than many will get recording a 10 second jingle.
we've played ourselves.

>>56945013
Guess they should learn to code

>>56945207
Wrong thread anon

>>56942362
I finally kneel to the pink woman

>>56945281
Pero shows up where you least expect him

>>56945207
i almost made the same mistake fellow ruffian
>>56945281
wait. how many of you fucks are here? reveal yourselves

>>56945013
yep and we still laughing at you coz with AI it made our job easier.

unlike you who will get completely replaced

get fucked, inferior humans

>>56945013
Never expected to see such a based take on VT

>>56942362
BAU BAU, fucker

>>56943928
If you were any good, you would get paid.

>>56942904
I know that artists have the reputation of being retards, but not everyone is a greed faggot that can't do anything unless they get something back from it

>>56943773
>I don’t care what anyone thinks of my opinion
Turns off replies like a coward because he got fucking rekt

do these faggot understand that watching fwmc or any vtuber in general are free of charge? I've never seen anyone complaining why vtuber should only do paid content. >they get paid by the company
yes but there also thousands of indie out there. and even the corpos mostly started out as an indie.

asking for a little fan art / jingle is nothing more than a fan interaction or way to give back and show support without donating hunderds of dollar and actually mean something for the chuuba

>>56945231
Finland and Helsinki are two different countries. No one in Finland gives a fuck about that nonsense.

>>56943550
actually no
there wasn't.

>>56945511

>>56944857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-HWPLr9ZwY

Every tweet to this guy should just be "bau bau" for the foreseeable future.

>>56944963
history repeats itself

>>56942748
Anon, by that logic she would've graduated

>>56945632
add the word "like", anon. english isn't that hard.

>>56942362
To be honest I'm quite sad that most artists nowadays seems to agree with that, you've to eat and all that, but since when art turned just into a transactional thing

>>56944842
Sure sure whatever you say my dude. I will be continuing to entertain my thousands of followers with my art FOR FREE while having an actual job. And you'll be in the gutters penniless and still complaining that no one is touching your art with a six feet pole and paying for it.

>>56942362
WTF SHES BASED NOW!?!?!?!?!?!?

>>56943699
Murata designed multiple robot masters as a kid from winning those contests

>>56945755
A lot of twitter creators aren't people

>>56944568
>>56945695
His posts look almost identical.

>>56943928
I’m an artist too. I don’t charge for commissions though because art isn’t hard, I enjoy it. I have a well paying job I enjoy too that gives me enough money so I can do free commissions.

>>56945396
>yep and we still laughing at you coz with AI it made our job easier.
>unlike you who will get completely replaced

Anon is about to find out what happens when technology makes a previously skill-demanding job to be doable by uneducated third-world workers.

>>56944115
>>56944285
>>56944346
lmao thank you anon I legit keked so hard to these

>>56944963
It’s stuff like this that causes problems. I remember when Mori took someone’s art for her pokemon stream and photoshopped herself on to it he asked her to take it down. He then got brigaded for “making holoart” saying they own it the moment he makes it and next time don’t post it even though it was pokemon art unrelated to hololive. Guy privated or deleted, don’t remember which, his page after saying it’s hers now. Things weren’t this bad before but it’s mainly with Holo/Niji EN that this happens. Schizos get mad over things unrelated to them then schizo fans attack people unrelated

>>56942362
He is completely right. At least credit the composer so he gets something out of it.

>>56942362
Ya boi was always based as fuck and you just now are realizing it.

>>56944346
KEK!

>>56945755
>but since when art turned just into a transactional thing
Do you think Michelangelo worked for free?

>>56942362
Based brapper I kneel

why is en always like this. troons like this jealous amerimutt are everywhere and always want to mess with a fun thing. jp has so many streams where fans make and show their dedicated professional tier stuff for free but of fucking course when en does it some deranged troon starts to sperg out and destroy it.

>>56945832
I have friends that work as professional artist. And they do both commissions and draw for free, because they want to. And I pay for my commissions to them.
I think it's called, personal choice.

>>56942362
>dude is literally part of a "musical group" called U.N. OWEN
So he's a shit "artist" with no talent worth anything on its own and can only gain recognition by leeching off existing IPs, got it.

>FATFUCK SHITTING ON THE FAGGOT
BASED

>>56943928
It's just 1-2 hours of labor to do something for someone you like to watch, it isn't that deep, treat it like playing a game for 2 hours

>>56945907
>I legit keked so hard

>>56945231
Yeah I just haven’t seen it in awhile cause I haven’t rewatched anything from the 90s/00s recently except One Piece; so it was a nice blast of the past

>>56942362
What clout chasing does to ‘almost made it’’‘s

>>56945773
you mean thousands of bots? KEK

yea sure whatever yousay nijinog

>>56943497
He is wrong that
1 He barked on the wrong tree. If he merely talks to the composers without portraying Fuwamoco in a negative light, it would be fine.
2 Not everything revolves around money. Not every compensation is money.

>>56944346
>>56944285
>>56944115
If a hololive make an art contest, remember to send this for everyone to see

>>56943317
NTA, I'm in my 40s and I don't remember any such thing.
>>56943322
>>56943325
>>56943393
(You). Dude didn't say anything about trickery or deceit or slavery and he obviously isn't having a melty. He's just expressing an opinion that fans should value their work.
Remember when Selen had to fight so she could actually offer a prize for one of these sorts of contests, out of her own money? Remember how everyone was comparing Holo and Niji contest terms and agreeing that it's better when artists at least retain their IP if they aren't being compensated? Maybe try getting "paid in exposure" some time and see how bullshit that is.

>fuwamoco morning now
>"We don't want your jingle if you're not a Ruffian"
Holy fucking kek

>>56945755
>art turned just into a transactional thing
Artists like Joshua are just as soulless as the AI replacing him. But the AI doesn't have retarded opinions so it's superior.

>>56945396
I have my own company and I don't need parasites like you to survive. Soon your work will be done by an algorithm programmed by an Indian who earns minimum wage

>>56946044
Zun stole from McRoll.

>>56945926
Nobody said they were't. They have credited everyone who has ever shown up on the show. Yes, even that ugly dog. You know which one.

>>56942362
hahahahahahhahaha

Even Fuwamoco are shitting on this dude lmao

>>56946210
Is this real?

>>56943317
Has Blue's Clues done that?

>>56946006
Gura is the only one that hires competent people

>>56945985
you are not michelangelo, you draw futa hentai on twitter for a living

>>56946245
fuck of shodan, you're only acceptable for shitposts. So yeah, AI can replace untalented hacks.

>>56946005
See?
Comparing a piece of art that took months to complete with something you can do in the time a movie takes to end is some of the most retarded things

>>56946210
BAUSED

>>56946249
you dont call 2x2m cloth shop a "company", dipshit, get fucked nevertheless lmaooo

>>56946393
yep

>>56946199
Fans do value their work. They value it being acknowledged on the stream coupled with the moral satisfaction of providing it to their favored vtuber freely. His attitude is extremely disrespectful and condescending to contributors, amounting to spitting on them and telling them they're ignorant and shouldn't have a say in what to charge for their work.

>>56946393
is real.

>>56946199
>he obviously isn't having a melty
You're right Anon he just got himself dropped by Mori because he's utterly calm and stating perfectly rational opinions kek

>>56946393
yee, the great perocino said it

>>56942362
I kneel

>>56946248
based ZUN

>>56946629
based

>>56944344
>it's both good exposure

I mean lets say you win, then you can just make a tweet that says "I MADE THIS" and that you had fun and people will retweet the fuck out of it and any other vtuber company out there would have you on their radar. His concerns are valid but if you use your brain those are not an issue.

>>56946457
>paint or sculpt naked greek women getting assaulted during the renaissance
Genius, master, talent
>paint naked anime women getting fucked by futa today
Degenerate, hack, talentless

I see.

>>56944938
Are you ever going to learn a new word?

>>56946516
Learn to code, Joshua

>>56942904
It's up to the artists themselves whether they want to participate or not. This commie faggot is trying to be the saviour of the exploited where there is no exploitation - no one's forcing anyone to do anything.

>>56946199
>He's just expressing an opinion that fans should value their work.
>just
If he merely just want that, there is no need to drag fuwamoco's name to the mud. He is malicious, pure and simple.
Paid in exposure is bullshit, but if nobody is willing to pay you to work, it means you are bullshit. Whining about it won't change that fact.

>>56946210
kek get BAUBAU'd

>>56944115
>>56944285
>>56944346
needs KoroFuwaMoco edits

>>56946210
WHY CAN'T I STOP KNEELING. My knees hurt at this point.

>>56944735
I thought it was hilarious how much you sperged out when they reloaded after Mori asked them if they wanted to. You got your ranting deleted in /morig/, ran to global and got called an idiot, then made a catalog thread and got called an idiot there too

>>56946787
That anon struck a nerve kek

>>56942362
as a reward for being based for once I will now watch her stream

>>56946977
I was laying in bed watching before going to sleep, I didn't even post you schizo

>>56942362
The homos graduating really saved this guy. Many missed this faggots meltdown.

>>56943773
how did you think mori even caught wind of this issue? she looked /here/

>>56946210
When did they say this? I want to find it after the stream is over.

>>56947074
Mori here. Can confirm.

>>56942904
nobody is being forced to do anything, the dude has no reason to butt in and be a dick

>>56947087
anon we can't get a timestamp while the stream's still going

>>56947087
FWMC morning is like a half hour long, just seek through the vod until you see the banner for the contest pop up

>>56947128
PLEASE MARRY ME MORI I DON'T CARE ABOUT HOW YOU LOOK

>>56946812
https://felixkreuk.github.io/audiogen/
oh no Joshua

I do some drawing and it's far from a professional yet I seen people with far worse quality than mine selling theirs, nowadays artists are a bunch of leeches without passion that only draw what's trending

>>56946787
old good new bad

>>56947278
who fucking asked

>>56945511
>Helsinki
Anon... that's not a country

We should have nuked Europe instead of Japan.

>>56947380
I did

>>56946199
lol fucking clueless casual. idk who this fucktard is but making 10sec loopy music is piss easy. it doesnt take even 1hour. do you even know how to make music on pc.

this mfer is just being jealous and spew some woke-y moral bullshit. its really hard to understand fuckers like him since im not amerimutt but it doesnt even make sense.

>>56947074
every talent, manager and their mothers lurk and shill here.

>>56947278
>>56947380
I asked. Thanks, anon.

>>56947278
>>56947380
I, too, asked

>>56943928
then dont fucking participate, let people have fun.
>fuwamoco ask for jingle
>i know how to make one
>will i be compensated? no
>do i understand that i will not be compensated, and that my jingle might be used in streams and in the future? yes
>i make jingle for them
>it got featured in the stream
>they're happy, im happy
>might get exposure, might get recognized
>but whats more important is i get to be happy and get noticed by fuwamoco
wow so easy! but no, you make mental jumping gymnastics to make it seem like they are taking advantage of people, when these people can just outright not participate.

>>56947380
I did. Me. Ore. Wo.

>>56947380
it was interesting to read. didn't ask, but didn't take time to bitch about it either.

>>56947087
Alright ya lazy fuckers, here it is
https://youtu.be/dZwzqM4UOME?t=1129

>>56947278
>>56947380
I did telepathically to that anon

This guy just got dunked on live in front of 10k people lmao.

>>56944963
>Clippers steal from streamers and reuploads it with some minor edits
>Gets free money out of it
>Streamer steals art/music from artists and uses it to promote their streams
>artists get nothing out of it and become bitter

This is why Marine is the best at this, she commissions the fuck out of artists she likes and pretty much funded a bunch of doujins, which keeps people making fanart of her.

>>56942834
>You don't think that's bad? Well imagine if it was TRUMP or HITLER that did t? Would you still think this is fine?!
Fucking retard.

>>56947571
BAUSED

>>56943928
God, I really hope AI advances further so you kind of people can be replaced

>>56947384
It's called using exaggeration as a rhetorical device, Anonchama.

>>56947516
yeah you totally work for free. keep dreaming idiot.

>>56947571
based FAT FUCK pero

>>56947278
True, the only respectable artists left are Creayus and Mitarashi Kousei, bless their hearts.

>>56947571
BBBBBAAAAAASSEEEEEDD

>>56947571

>>56947278
>artists only draw what's trending
>complain about not enjoying it
>complain about muh numbers
>never attempt to get a job
I have no respect for a lot of twitter artists

>>56947571
BAUSED FAT FUCK
I KNEEL

>>56945695
I forgot about this

>>56942904
>NOOOO TWO GROUPS CANT ENTER A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT TO EXHCHANGE GOODS!! LIVEABLE WAGE!!!
You sound like a socialist. Kill yourself.

56947691
I think this anon is just here to farm (you)s

>>56947629
>artists get inspiration

>>56947437
He's not american, he's finnish.

>>56943928
love how artist are unironically the first on the automation chopping block rn , you get what you fucking deserve

>>56947571

>>56947380
>>56947278
I asked.

>>56942362
fine, I'll stop shitting on her because she sided with my bau baus

>>56947571

>>56947571
Why is she calling them Ruffriends?

>>56947691
at least i'm happy, and you're seething.

>>56945695
>>56944568

>>56947263
I love AI so much bros

>>56943317
That's a one time thing anon, a jingle they'll use constantly will become part of their brand and is ultimately used to make money. Asking fans to make you a new outfit for free would be ridiculous, this is the same. The amount of effort doesn't matter, you're asking someone, for free, for something you'll then use to make money.

>>56947914
Chainsmoking has done a number on Pero

>>56947945
do you think this guy regrets this

>>56943674
>anon engages with a strawman and wins
wow, didn't see that coming

>>56947571
holy basado

>>56947263

Fuwamoco and Shiori are trying super hard to include recognition of their fanbase on streams, and this clown acts like they're trying to get things for free... sometimes content creators just want to engage with their community on a more narrowed way, you know?

>>56943317
Thanks to a similar contest Water Kirby was an anime only ability for 8 years.

>>56943928
Sure you do, just make something good that I find beautiful and worth buying.
Until then, I hope you can work a fryer.

>>56944228
If a vtuber would use that photo in nearly every stream and it positively contributes to their income in some way, then yes.

>>56947968
you could say the same of the stream assets they pin on their models

>>56947968
outfit contest is a privilege to participate in.

>>56947571
Unfathomably based. It reminds me when Gura made fun of that Venti retard or Mori pissed off 2views with Off with their heads.

>>56942362
Cover's guidelines basically say: if you use our characters or remix our music, we can use it. Nigga needs to either suck it up or shut the fuck up.
Besides, they DO credit the artists all the fucking time.

>>56947968
Does all of that matters when the ones submitting is willing to give it for free?

>>56948049
Based zionists.

>>56947571
Saw it live. Fucking based.

>>56943317
>It's not for professionals to super tryhard ... that will DEFINITELY kick the asses of all the competition.
Good point, I didn't even think about that.

>>56947571
JOSHUA STATUS?

>>56942362
>isreal
>unfollowed him + removed his music from her intro
Damn that's based. I kneel Mori.

>>56948092
I could

>>56942362
Mori periodically does these things where I'm like holy fucking based I think I like her again and then shits in my mouth not long after. So not falling for it again even though it is pretty sick.

I find it funny that Ina, literally the most popular art streamer in the world, does free fanart all the time for other holos which ends up being used, yet she never ends up whining over being "compensated" for it.
Or even funnier, that Ina did an entire MV for free just because one of her senpai asked if she'd be interested in doing it.
https://youtu.be/6Wbto57VKWk
Not to mention Kuroboshi, an established name in the art industry, has been doing updates and accessories for Ina for free too just because he wants to.
It's almost like the only ones who think Joshua has a leg to stand on are shitters nobody will ever care about.

>>56948115
People are free to provide them jingles if they want, but I think that's separate from whether you or I believe the act of asking itself is good/bad/neutral.

>>56947968
No. It's a minor asset and extremely reaching for any scrap of justification to get some form of monetary return, that can't even be objectively justified one way or another. Half the time people can't even decide whether a game is a buff or debuff game, let alone a fucking sound clip.
One might as well go the other way and ask for conclusive proof that a jingle in any way aids in making money. In some cases it might even lose money if chosen poorly. Will the artist compensate them then?

>>56942681
They probably communicated privately and sorted it out. She never re-followed Fulgur though.

What ever happened to just creating art for fun? The guy who made the disney channel jingle got paid a mid lump sum, and was virtually unknown for years. Yet when interviewed on his legacy, his reasoning was "I just want to create art of the sake of it, not to be household name".

This video gives really good insight on the thread topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_rjBWmc1iQ

>>56948266
shes the posterchild for "based retard"

>>56942904
How is he right?
There are THOUSANDS of fans who would love to be noticed by their oshi. They'll draw free fan art for them, create free music MVs or even outright make entire free games for them.
What the fuck is a 10 second jingle you retarded ass wipe?

>>56947571
>>56942362

Free is the norm. Rather, no prize money or rewards should be attached.
I would ask him what he thinks would happen if I attached a prize.
He would say, "A lot of people who aren't fans would end up applying."
We want something that fans put their heart and soul into, so works by non-fans are a hindrance. That's why it should be free. He doesn't understand.
Holo is not a stingy office. If you make something good and the holomen hire you for free, after about the third or fourth one, it becomes a "work-for-hire" request.
Since "Hiko-san" started drawing fan art for the holomen and creating the distribution room, the holomen have been asking for a lot of requests, but there is no way it is for free.
The fact that "Hiko-san" has rarely created delivery rooms for other companies must mean that he is highly compensated.
First of all, it is important to establish a relationship of being a "fan of hololive", so by making it free of charge, you can exclude people who are not fans.
I wonder if the song will be removed from the intro by Mr. Mori because he doesn't understand these things.
I'm surprised that so few people on Twitter are saying that it's free because they want to focus only on fan submissions.
They say things like, "Because these girls don't have a lot of money yet."
No no no. They only want fan work, so they mean they don't want non-fans applying with the intention of it being a job.
deepl tlansrate sorry

>>56948391
fags are obsessed with money

>>56947571
>Gatekeeping
Based

>>56943928
I used to be against AI art, but seeing how retarded and self-important some of you fags are, i hope it leaves you jobless now.

>>56948447
the irony

>>56947691
Did your pay your pay your parents for having to raise your?

>>56948391
>90 minute video essay
Not watching your channel shill, summarize

>>56948009
A little bit. He made an apology video. He came back into the fold. Shame, though, he halted his rise and fame. He's obscure now.

>>56948391
I remember that video. original composer was a fucking chad

>>56948311
Unless a product promises a certain outcome, why would a seller ever have to compensate a buyer, even if the buyer goes bankrupt afterwards? What sense does that make? I think a big company like hololive should put better rewards on the table when asking for free labor, regardless of some people being willing to offer it.

>>56948299
The difference is Ina is actually a very accomplished and successful artist. That and Ina actually likes art. Ina is set for life with her skills.
Faggots like Joshua will end up on the street once AI takes over so all he cares about is monetary gain.

>>56942362
Mori is a honest person and can be cool in her own way.
GG

>>56947968
>That's a one time thing anon, a jingle they'll use constantly will become part of their brand and is ultimately used to make money.
So what, fag? You keep saying that like it means something but it doesn't. Fan contest. Participation is voluntary. You lose.

>>56948391
>90 min video essay
I will be watching your shill shit

>>56947571
BAUSED

This tweet has got to be bait. I can't believe people can be this absolutely soulless. Dude is supposedly an artist, but he has no idea of fan interaction

>>56943699
Did you know that the guy who made Pekora's trial illustrations, a professional illustrator that works on a variety of things including real trials, made MM4 Bright Man's design? He still has his golden cartridge.
https://twitter.com/yoshitakaworks

>>56942904
Its like a donut shop shaming a customer for making their own breakfast instead. Its just pathetic.

>>56947823
it makes sense since scandis are super americanised. such a petty prick anyway.

>>56948065
>sometimes content creators just want to engage with their community on a more narrowed way, you know?
not sometimes its happened frequently in holo jp. fwmk is jp leaning and wants to do jp things so it had to trigger some westerners like this fucker again. also making music is literally the same as playing a game for music creators. making a jingle for fun is literally like playing one quest in an rpg or a open world game. you run a step sequencer and edit a synth a sampler and plugins a bit to make one loop. thats all. i really dont understand him

>>56948567
>What ever happened to just creating art for fun? The guy who made the disney channel jingle got paid a mid lump sum, and was virtually unknown for years. Yet when interviewed on his legacy, his reasoning was "I just want to create art of the sake of it, not to be household name".
Read again, and the jingle was 5 notes.

>>56948653
keep saying what? It's my first post in the thread, retard. Being rich and asking poors (like you) to do free work is evil, cope.

>>56948391
thankfully retards like this are rare in the Hololive community
you have people like Kay Yu, like Eleos, like DuDul, like Mazumaro, who do incredible shit for free and vastly outnumber retards like this guy
and, lo and behold, the stuff they do is the golden ticket into big money commissions

then there's this retard, who does one jingle and feels like it's his mangum opus, and then spergs out at something he has absolutely nothing to do with

>>56948622
If it's so certain that a product produces monetary return that it is used as justification for charging an amount of money, then that promise is clearly present. If the product then does not deliver on that monetary return, it's fraud and the seller should be prosecuted.

>>56948391
A lot of twitter artists are depressed fags that refuse to get a job and think just because they spent a long time grinding art they deserve massive success

he can defend artists rights as he want, but in this tweet he was really fucked up, severed his connection with cover corp

>>56948750
Who said anything about poor people?

>>56948622
This is exactly why they clarified they only want Ruffians to make it you stupid nigger, to a Ruffian its not labor, its a fun community project for us. Seethe more.

>>56942362
I have never doubted pink woman's good intentions, even if she sometimes bricks people.

>>56942904
He's dragging Mori's name through the mud just to make himself look "good"

>>56942362
>322 replies
>not one bit of evidence Mori did this
God damn it, anons

>>56942362
>he couldn't handle all the criticism so he locked the comments to only people he mentions
what a fucking coward kek

>>56948770
And when you buy a share of a company, which costs an amount of money, you're entitled to a refund if the price drops.

>>56948622
Have you tried not making the jingle?

>>56948879
watch streams, open twitter
it's all public

>>56948795
How many tweets did he makes about this? Holy fucking rent free. Maybe tweet less and work harder mr. starving artist

>>56948750
There's nothing evil about holding a fan contest, retardchama. The winner has their jingle used for Fuwamoco Morning. That's the prize. The participants know this and participate willingly.

>>56948595
He was an absolute sigma. Created jingles for hundreds of tv channels that we all probably grew up with. He also worked under a production company and helped get other smaller artists in the door to making music for television. Like I said he never complained about not being a household name, he just wanted to put out quality music that people could enjoy. It was just about the product and not the recognition.

The twitterfag could learn from someone like him.

>>56948879
She did unfollow in from twitter. Calli is still streaming so can't 100% sure of thist >>56943386

>>56948813
Hololive talents are rich and their fans overwhelmingly are not.

>>56948418
Even with deepl translation this is a very good explanation, being from a true fan is top priority.

>>56942904
He was using a fan contest for a 10 second jingle to fling shit at new HoloEN talents that debuted only a few weeks ago. Mori has issues with Cover but generally is protective towards other talents.

>>56948823
It's labor regardless of how much you like doing it. Did you know that people who like their job still get paid for hours worked?

Free is the norm. Rather, no prize money or rewards should be attached.
I would ask him what he thinks would happen if I attached a prize.
He would say, "A lot of people who aren't fans would end up applying."
We want something that fans put their heart and soul into, so works by non-fans are a hindrance. That's why it should be free. He doesn't understand.
Holo is not a stingy office. If you make something good and the holomen hire you for free, after about the third or fourth one, it becomes a "work-for-hire" request.
Since "Hiko-san" started drawing fan art for the holomen and creating the distribution room, the holomen have been asking for a lot of requests, but there is no way it is for free.
The fact that "Hiko-san" has rarely created delivery rooms for other companies must mean that he is highly compensated.
First of all, it is important to establish a relationship of being a "fan of hololive", so by making it free of charge, you can exclude people who are not fans.
I wonder if the song will be removed from the intro by Mr. Mori because he doesn't understand these things.
I'm surprised that so few people on Twitter are saying that it's free because they want to focus only on fan submissions.
They say things like, "Because these girls don't have a lot of money yet."
No no no. They only want fan work, so they mean they don't want non-fans applying with the intention of it being a job.

無料は当たり前だよ。むしろ、賞金や報酬を付けてはいけない。
私は賞金を付けたらどうなると思うと彼に問いたい。
「ファンじゃない人が大量に応募してしまう」ことになる。
ファンが心を込めて作った物が欲しいんだから、ファンじゃない人の作品は邪魔です。だから無料にすべきなんだ。彼は分かっていない。
ホロはケチな事務所じゃないよ。良いものを作って、ホロメンが無料で採用したら3つ目4つ目くらいから「仕事としての依頼」になる。
「ひこさん」がホロメンのファンアートを描いて、配信部屋の作成をするようになってからホロメンからお願いされまくっているけど、無償なわけがない。
他企業の配信部屋を「ひこさん」がほとんど作っていないということは、高い報酬になっているということだろう。
まずは「ホロライブのファン」であるという関係を築くのが大切だから、無償にすることでファンじゃない人を除外できる。
こういうことが分からないから、森さんからイントロで曲が外されるのではないか?
ツイッターのレスでも「ファンの応募だけに絞りたいから無料だ」と言ってる人が少なくて驚く
「彼女たちはまだお金が少ないから」とか言ってる
違う違う。彼女たちはファンの作品だけが欲しいので、仕事のつもりでファンじゃない人が応募しないでほしいって意味だよ

>>56948993
Nigga this looks like projection. Go get a job.

>>56948879
I don't need "proof" if it fits my headcanon you absolute schizo.

>>56948308
Yeah but if the both parties consents, it doesn’t matter. How are you not understanding this anon.

>>56949079
thank you nihongo-sama

>>56948919
There being a choice does not imply you're not allowed to judge it.

>>56949079
Thanks jap-sama but next time keep it short.

>>56944735
>Mori
>collab
Baby steps, anon

>>56948954
There is. You morally shouldn't request people to do free work for you if you're rich.

>>56948795
With is tweet, he shows he doesn't know how this works. I thought he worked with Mori before. Each talent is contracted and they themselves pay arits for shit, like Ame and Vr shit. Only sometimes cover steps up to pay for shit like Kanru's videos. But that's only after the talents themselves make contact. It's almost as cover is using the talents as filters for trustworthy people.

>>56949074
Love your job, and you'll never work a day in your life. If they actively don't want the labor to be paid for, it doesn't need to be. You act like fans voluntarily doing a couple of cute Internet goofballs a favor for content that benefits both parties is some form of moral corruption, which is beyond ridiculous.

>>56949079
>The fact that "Hiko-san" has rarely created delivery rooms for other companies must mean that he is highly compensated.
Hikosan outright refuses compensation at times. Pekora has literally tried to pay her dozens of times but she has refused. That's how much she loves art and doing things for the Holos.
Joshua is just a fucking retard and a faggot.

>>56943663
Conner was right in the end anyway

>>56947914
Perrocino is Italian

>>56947823
>>56948741
He's a mutt, google it. And no one's gonna ever name their kid Joshua in Finland.

>>56949277
They sleep in a bunk bed and share a computer and their pay. FuwaMoco are not particularly rich.

>>56949321
Even if Connor was right he could have worded it in a way that didn't make him look like a jealous faggot

>>56948299
>that Ina did an entire MV for free
She is fucking rich and does not need more money to live
>Kuroboshi, an established name in the art industry
is rich and doesn't need more money to live.

WOOW rich people have more freedom to do things "for fun". retard

>>56949127
Anon, how are you not understanding that whether you believe it's right to ask for free labor in this context is separate from what someone else thinks, someone who might provide such free labor?

>>56949277
>There is.
lolno
>You morally shouldn't request people to do free work for you if you're rich.
If people want to produce something for you without compensation then it would be profoundly stupid to ask for compensation and morally wrong to tell them they aren't allowed to produce it for free.

>>56942362
No other profession acts as retarded as these people. If there were a burger competition for some random celeb you wouldn’t see chefs shitting their pants about the participants not getting paid.

>>56948538
You are not asian. I'm still paying off that debt.

>>56949417
My friend that's living paycheck to paycheck. Does art sometimes for free, because they want to.

>>56946210
Holy based

>>56949079
is this from 2ch?
Eer.. thank you for your input jpbros im actually kinda curious about 2ch thoughts in this situation

>>56949380
Not yet, the month is almost over though and they can finally live the dream of having bigger bunk beds.

>>56949417
oh so thats what its about, your life is miserable so you just spend your days trying your hardest to make other people who are having fun miserable. Thanks for letting us know.

>>56949277
>You morally shouldn't request people to do free work for you if you're rich
Imagine talking about morals.This is a maxim that is as close to a textbook representation of evil as you can get. A third party forcefully imposing their values and beliefs upon utterly unrelated parties against both their wills.

>>56948879
Watch streams retard. She is still live, but her new intro bgm has been linked here >>56943386
Atleast read the thread retard.

Good luck getting a gig after this, you ugly cross eyed tranny

>>56949417
Why do yall niggas keep talking about rich and poor? Do you think a person starving has
>1. A computer
>2. Music knowledge
>3. Time to watch FWMC and be fans
>4. Time to produce said music
>5. Internet

Do we just have a different definition of poor? Because I've known poor people and belive they're not watching vtubers lmao.

>>56948308
Including money opens you up to tons of legal bullshit that wouldn't be a problem otherwise. Assuming it's a contest and the winner gets money the losers can sue you. Even if they can't win they can easily force you to court, unless you shield yourself from that by having a lawyer write explicit the terms of participation.

>>56949585
Why would I need to sift through a long thread when I can make you mad and give me everything with less effort, thanks fag

>>56949312
You're hiding behind platitudes, plus the offer didn't include payment unless explicitly denied, so what you said doesn't relate to it. labor is labor and I find it immoral to ask for it when you're in a position where you can easily compensate their efforts instead.

>>56948585
I watched that whole apology video, I was bored I think I can't remember why. He apologizes and deeply regrets it. Points out the complications behind it all, I can get why but I think if should've played his cards right like Kanauru.

In another timeline, he would be up there like him and other constantly commissioned contractor fans

>>56949607
You see, he thinks that if you hold a door open for Bill Gates on the street, the irresistable force of the utterly incredible wealth disparity between the pair of you forces Gates to pay you a thousand dollars for it.

>>56949380
If I could post a bigger chevron I would
>

>>56942362
>>56943386
KEK

>>56949417
I'm poor as fuck, always has been. My entire youtube channel exist solely because I wanted to translate english tutorials in spanish for god damn M.U.G.E.N., even got offered monetization back then which I refused because I just wanted to help, not gain fame or money.

Your answers and post are not even funny, you
are just a sad evil fuck that can't comprehend the idea of good natured people willing to help for the sake of helping.

>>56949550
Kiara mentioned that Google takes 2 months to pay out

>>56949417
If you don't have the time to commit to an uncompensated project because the workload would cut too much into the time you have to do compensated work then don't voluntarily take on uncompensated project. It's that simple. You're not being forced to do it, nobody is taking anything away from you, everyone involved has a choice.

>>56949287
The first thing a major firm needs to do is to determine if this creator is a fan or an antagonist.
If it is paid, the antis will get in and say, "That distributor sucks," after the work has received high praise, and everything will be ruined.
With no charge, it is wise to bring in fans of creators who "still have no problem" and let them have a good meal later on.
That way you can only order work from "people who like Hololive".
He doesn't get it.
大手事務所はまず最初に「このクリエイターがファンか、アンチか」を見極める必要がある。
有償だとアンチが入り込み、作品が高評価を受けてから「あの配信者はクソだ」と言って全てが台無しになる。
無償で「それでも問題ない」クリエイターのファンを取り込み、彼らに後々に美味しいものを食べさせるのが賢い。
そうすることで「ホロライブが好きな人」にだけ仕事を発注できる。
彼は分かっていない。

>>56948266
Right? I really want to like Mori again, but then when she's gaining some goodwill she fucks it up soon after.

>>56949655
>labor is labor and I find it immoral to ask for it when you're in a position where you can easily compensate their efforts instead.
That's because you're an idiot with a stupid opinion which is why you're getting bodied by everyone ITT kek

>>56949079
>>56949845
Is this some kind of nu-aged zoomer ironic shitposting that I'm too old to understand?

>>56949441
Wait let me clarify what you’re saying, are you saying that they are evil because they are rich and still asking for free labor?

>>56949584
Prescribing how something should be is literally what moral beliefs are about, are you high?

>>56949660
A shame really. He played his hands poorly, and I remember at the time that people were calling him an idiot and not looking at the big picture. They'll never contact him now with how poorly he handled it.

>>56949607
I recorded a jingle for the contest on a 10 dollar recorder on my work laptop lol

>>56943038
My elementary teacher wanted us to make a jingle once. Earl died in my arms, Devon disappeared into the woods, Kate could never walk again, and Dylan... well, less I say the better about Dylan.

>>56948990
use this https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/459535-ytbetter

>>56942362
Mori is a real one.

>>56949417
>t. seething poorfag
Plenty of artists who aren't rich who happily do art for free. Stop seething so much.

>>56949660
>>56949908
He was an extreme retard. Anons here were all telling him not to do it and just be patient but he fucking nuked himself

>>56949893
no anon he's just japanese

>>56948750
If that person is hold at gunpoint yeah, but if not why the fuck do you care, do you think people capable of doing that doesn't have brains? They just don't care and do it because they want and it's fun

>>56949938
thank you faggot

>>56949893
No, this is what old 2ch would do when they talk to us. You must be new or never seen it. So this is either that, a translator brining it over or a larper.

>>56950019
There are no japanese here

>>56949905
What gives you the right to sit in judgment over someone else as to whether their actions or intentions are immoral, and how does that not enable them to consider your moral beliefs invalid or even evil in turn?

>>56949845
Thanks for the insight old man.

>>56949898
That's pretty much it. Asking someone to do something for you should always be allowed, but I find it distasteful to ask for free labor when you're in a position where you can easily pay for it. That doesn't preclude someone from asking, or someone from offering, I just find the act of asking from that position immoral.

>>56949764
MUGEN sucks but you seem like a pretty cool guy anon

>>56947380
you sound triggered from the post, get btfo shitty artist

>>56950189
Yeah but isnt that just your opinion and you’re forcing it to others?

>>56950021
I'm not judging the people offering, I'm judging the one asking.
>Why do you care?
Never an argument. I care because I do, I find it wrong.

>>56949764
based translator

>>56949074
It's 1-2 hours, you just has to sacrifice the time to watch a movie or a stream, do you monetize every hour of your day or something?

>>56949550
I thought it was two months till they get the fat wad of cash from merch and superchats? it's just the payday from cover for now?

I hate twitter artists because they think they're poor when they have no idea what it's like