/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56930813
Game?
What game?

>>56930813
She needed to own the haters anon. She just needed to ok

>>56930813
2 collabs? Way more than that.
I think the best one that is forgotten is when Kronii barged on a Tempus 1 collab out of nowhere, only her with 4 guys.

>promptly
Those events happened many months apart.

love is just a game

>>56930813
This why you should never surrounds yourself with literal yesmen

>>56930813
you still haven't moved on from vesper huh ex-kronie? still jealous your tiny cock and fat face can't even meet a girl irl other than your ugly mom?

>>56930813
Blame Mori, Advant should receive a handbook where the only thing written in it is 'Do not follow Mori's advice'

>>56930813
She wanted to feel what it was like to have to beg people to buy her merch after the unicorn money stopped coming.

but think about the upvotes for epic owning the incels!

Either she was genuinely attracted to Vesper or this was just another guys of a woman sperging out over feeling "controlled" and doing it just to spite her fans.
It's hard to tell with this particular cocksleeve because that underwear tweet reply was honestly repulsive levels of whore, not to mention the infamous laugh.

>>56931722
I wish they'd unfuck their API so all the reddit refugees would leave and go back to their hole

>>56930813
korean womens only endgame is owning the males
can't be helped many of them got feminist brainrot after living in that shithole

>>56930813
To graduate from life.

>>56930813
Mori and probably Ame convinced her that Tempus was the future of HoloEN and unicorns were a thing of the past. I doubt if she had the foresight to predict they'd be worthless 3views like Kiara did she wouldn't have bothered to waste her time with the drama.

>>56930813
Filtering the worst kind of fan,thanks to this Gabe outed himself as a schizo and a chunk of control freaks left.

>>56932170
even then, that doesn't warrant her to openly shit on her fans like that

>>56930813
She is young and stupid. Judging by what her rm said before stopping collabs, she will better vet people going forward.

>>56932563
>worst kind of fan
You mean the kind that actually buy overpriced merch with shipping that costs more than the items?

>>56932563
gabe at least paid her 5 dollars a month. How many chubas are you membered to, anon? And no lifting screenshots from Google.

>>56932784
surely watching clips and twitter likes make up for the loss though

>Tells her most devoted fans to go fuck themselves
is there a link for this? i'd love to see that lol

>>56932707
Imma push a huge X button to doubt that, anon. Not only is she your typical woman living in north America, she's a pureblooded Korean. They would never admit to being wrong, even to themselves.

>>56932829
>Unironically defending the 2view groomer who sent violent threats to kronii, fauna, and spammed their rms.
The absolute state of this board.

>>56932847
Yeah, the sisters and their "good vibes" and "spiritual support" are the very things that keep the lights on at Cover's HQ.

>>56932935
0 dollars, 0 merch, 0 months.

>>56930813
Did she directly cause Vesper's termination?

>>56932170
Ame is more of a company girl: management asked her to help promote the homos, so she did and then got petty when her fans were getting annoyed by it. Kronii, on the other hand, looked like she just got some bad advice from Mori and then doubled down because she got pissed off at the reaction from her fans towards the collabs.

>>56930813
>her most devoted fans
>turn their back on her because of a couple collabs
That's not devotion at all
As a matter of fact, it's the absolute opposite

Unicorns are not devoted. They are not loyal. They are not committed.
They are sociopaths who use these girls only for as long as their hyper-specific image of them is maintained.
The moment the fantasy is threatened, they will about face into the virulent antis possible, and they will never forgive her for the grave sin of being human.

>>56930813
to own ze haterz xdd

>>56932935
welcome to /vt/
it's like a zoo but instead of chips, you can look at retards here
pls enjoy your stay

she won

>>56932935
I call a spade, a spade. gabe was a faggot, but he put his money where is mouth is. The other anon's a sister, which is also a form of faggotry, but could only afford to give reddit updoots and twitter likes.

>>56932829
Could have been longer but it's not that important
>>56932784
>Unicorns are the only one buying merch
lmao

>>56932170
>Tempus was the future of HoloEN and unicorns were a thing of the past
No-one would actually be stupid enough to believe this right?

>>56933033
The OP never said about unconditional devotion. An employee could be devoted to the company they're working for, but they would be more than justified to quit because of just one blunder on the company's part.

>>56932915
She's Canadian not a burger.

>>56932784
hey now, that's not fair
i bought merch too, multiple things, multiple times
i still don't suffer from the mental retardation known as unicornism
don't lump normal humans together with the retarded ones

>>56933033
>not devoted
>watched Kronii for a fucking year
bro... have you ever suffered that much for someone?

>>56933133
It's not about what is true, it's what they want to be true. Omega, Mori, and others.

maybe they just didn't like each other that much

>>56930813
i dont get it,
do they not understand that idols are in a pseudo relationship with their fans?
im sure cover knows idol industry is built in that,
you need to at least maintain that fantasy because a huge chunk if not most of it watches you like that is like having a crush on fictional characters.
for your fans sake keep your persona and try to maintain that pseudo relationship, if you cant contain your urges just dont let your fans know.
if you dont like it dont be a idol or tell your fans upfront from the beginning i have a boyfriend you want to be a cuck?, that way they will not waste their time.

>>56933164
>>56933264
>the most devoted fans
>drop her over literally nothing while "normal" or "casual" fans continue to support her
How can you call that devotion, by any measure?

are you sisters still seething that Kronii didn't mention Vesper todey?

>>56933117
>>56933250
Didn't say only unis buy. But Kronii had to shill her stuff over and over while others merch just sells out quickly.

>>56930813
>her most devoted fans
cuckeronies are her most devoted fans wdym?

>>56933033
>Unicorns are not devoted. They are...
retardation clouds their vision, they think they are the biggest fans, while actually being the biggest antis and causing damage to the vtubing hobby without even realizing what they are doing

>>56933321
>drop her over literally nothing
Her spending 2 hours pretending to care about her members concerns about the homo collabs only to backflip hours later and say she's going full homoshill is the biggest betrayal I have seen from any Holo, even including menheras like Matsuri.

>>56933117
Yes, definitely could have been much, much longer. :) And it's nice of normies and casuals to buy a keychain here and there, but gachis and 'corns are the ones buying 3 copies of oppai pads from six different girls, not to mention dozens of figurines.

>>56933177
He said north america, not northern US.

>>56933302
>do they not understand that idols are in a pseudo relationship with their fans?
Most of Hololive doesn't. In both JP and EN, those who went full hit with their Gachikoi are the rarity. In EN alone, there are Irys and Kiara. In JP? Kanata and a few handful. Fubuki is a serial Unicorn killer, FFS.
Somehow Unicorns act like it is the default.

>>56933413
>NijiEN collapsing
>Homos dying
>Only Hololive stands, built on CGDCT culture and it's only upcoming competitor Vspo is directly copying their formula
Sounds like unicorns are the pillars of the vtubing industry to me. Any corpo that doesn't cater to them is just irrelevant or collapsing.

>>56933421
>the biggest betrayal I have seen from any Holo
If that's the worst thing a Holo has done then goddammit you are blessed

>>56933476
>Fubuki is a serial Unicorn killer, FFS.
You haven't seen her members streams have you.

>>56933559
I have, for free

>>56930813
Kronii was and is still a fucking retard. She let herself get talked into Mori's bullshit. All the drama for collabing with Vesper was not worth it

>>56933527
Yes Holos are very professional in general which is why it sticks out like a sore thumb when someone like Kronii just throws everything away for a few hours of homoshilling.

>>56933321
And normies and casuals have been supporting her in what ways, exactly? Watching clips? Because last I heard she had to ask people to buy her merch. The talents can't put food on the table with "good vibes" and words like "yasss queen slay".

Council is such a disaster.
Bae is a literal who doing her thing and the rest are whores or graduated.

>>56933504
I admit to knowing little about Vspo. Thought they focused on the Japanese tinder fps games.

>>56933413
Antis don't buy literally tons of merchandise, nor send SCs again and again. But since you're extremely moronic, you're unable to understand how ridiculous your strawman is.

>>56933413
if you want whores there is a whole vshojo//lig/ ecosystem to enjoy. if you don't want whores then why complain. i don't really get it.

>>56932915
Well you can check her rm in june. That statement reminded me of the graduation and how she drifted away from the guys that she definitely overvalued before actually knowing if they were worth it.

>>56933719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrTbRhd5MAE

>>56933476
i guess japs are more conscious about what an idol is, while in EN they is something new or they dont want to accept it

>>56933625
>throws everything away for a few hours of homoshilling
The fact that you consider interacting with other talents under her company to be a grand betrayal is really only proving my point.

>>56933639
>last I heard she had to ask people to buy her merch
... Don't they all do that?
And do you really believe that unicorns are the only people buying merch?

>>56933764
>I spend more money, that makes me a better fan
>disregard all the wretched shit I say about her the moment she steps out of line
Delusional

>>56933302
>a huge chunk if not most of it watches you like that
no, that's called being retarded (newfags will also call this kind of retardation parasocial)
>i have a boyfriend you want to be a cuck?
oh ok, you're just copy / pasting random stuff you read online without even knowing what it actually means
i'm not gonna snitch on you this time, but keep in mind that this website is 18+
>>56933421
you know that women who talk to men are the norm, right? how'd you think your mom and dad met? next thing you tell me is you killed your mom because she "collabed with a male"
must be a nightmare in your head

>>56933476
Disregarding the other anon, we're making comparisons to kronii, here. You mentioned Foob ; have you ever been in one of her MO streams, particularly the ASMR ones? Yet she collabs with holostars JP without any problems. What could kronii possibly learn from her, I wonder?

so now that the 2 homos are dead, are you sisters going to change your shitpost tactic at least?

>>56933843
>other talents under her company
How's that working out?

>>56933896
>you know that women who talk to men are the norm, right?
Not in Hololive. Not in CGDCT anime which is what vtubing is based off.

>>56933917
>What could kronii possibly learn from her, I wonder?
Kronii has to stream herself jilling to voicepacks to own the chuds

>>56933988
Do you really think Magni and Vesper graduated because of butthurt unicorns?

>>56934038
>CGDCT anime which is what vtubing is based off
Holy brainrot what the fuck are you talking about dude

>>56933896
>>a huge chunk if not most of it watches you like that
>no, that's called being retarded (newfags will also call this kind of retardation parasocial)

i guess you also think that most of twitch gamergirls get views because of their amazing gameplay

>>56933476
Kiara has always been down to earth and honest which is why she can get away with a ton of stuff that other girls can’t (she has no issues talking about her rl male friends, hanging out with them or collabing with non-stars males).
At the end of the day it comes down to how much the fans are able to trust the girls not to act like retards.

>>56934093
>Holy brainrot what the fuck are you talking about dude
Hololive is basically just Idolmaster in vtubing form

>>56933843
>Don't they all do that?|

There are degrees to everything. Casually mentioning that there are merchandise available is quite different from literally asking people to buy them.

>And do you really believe that unicorns are the only people buying merch?

As the other anon said, casuals and normies might buy a few trinkets, but those rooms shown in holo room reviews? Those don't belong to them.

>b-but even mori, ame and bae have had room reviews with some merch in them!

I repeat, degrees to everything. Try to compare pekora's or aqua's room review to the usual suspects'.

>>56933843
Ah yes disgusting used up roasties arguing why you should just suck it up and accept homoshit is always entertaining.

>>56933843
>And do you really believe that unicorns are the only people buying merch?
To this degree?
...Yes. In Covers eyes the man who owns this room is worth 20 of you, and he is most definitely a CGDCT enjoyer. Sorry sister.

>>56933843
>Delusional

If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. And yes, a paying fan is always better than one that only/mostly gives leddit upvotes and twitter likes. And at the apex are the fans who throw thousands of dollars at the talents. All things considered, Cover's employees, including the talents, need to eat.

>>56933033
>>56933117
>>56933047
>>56933250
>>56934093
Yes sisters, own those unichuds to avenge Milords!

>>56933896
>>a huge chunk if not most of it watches you like that
>no, that's called being retarded (newfags will also call this kind of retardation parasocial)
the fact that there is enough people for this to be a matter of discussion proves that there is a huge chunk of fans that care about it and if their oshi dont take those fans feelings. shows lack of commitment to their fans.

>>56930813
All this woman needs to do is date IRyS and then we'll forgive her.

>>56934387
Normies like >>56933843 find such rooms to be "icky" or "weird", even "gross". That's why they wouldn't have one. Totally not because they're broke or miserly.

>>56930813
She doesn't think about it at all, retard. Next.

I truly believe the rrat that Mori just whispered into her ear and poisoned her with anti-unicorn brainrot like that LoTR parody image suggests. It just perfectly explains her sudden 180 switch on the stance that came seemingly out of nowhere (except for the fact that she met Mori at the time).

However I also gotta say, of all the cocksleeves Kronii was definitely the one closest to ACTUAL flirting.
Mori does it because she's fucking OBSESSED with having male "friends" because that's what all her life was like, but it's not really a romantic thing ever.
Ame does it LITERALLY just to spite her fans.
Bae is an actual whore and cocksleeve but she mostly focuses on StarsJP.

So while it might have started out as just anti-unicorn pissery, I think there was some genuine cocklust mixed in.

>>56934038
>Not in CGDCT anime which is what vtubing is based off
first time i ever heard of that, is there any proof for this?
>>56934154
i never said that lol, not that this has anything to do with that, some are actually quite skilled at games, believe it or not, and the other ones attract the retards, i'm not saying that retards are exclusive to vtubing, otherwise we wouldn't have a need for asylums for example
>>56934494
>i'm special and you should give me special treatment
no, that's some they/them logic if i ever seen one

>>56933033
Unicorns want girls who are committed to their fanbase, an amorphous entity composed of hundreds to thousands of internet users, but also refuse to appear on stream with a male vtuber.
It's a relationship that can only fulfil material goals, with any emotional resolution impossible, yet they embrace it because they feel that they've hit a dead end in their romantic lives and are settling for what they think is the best possible situation for them.

>>56933133
They'd be too embarrassed to admit it now, but most of this very board legitimately feared for the future of vtubers back when luxiem was at the height of their powers.

>>56930813
Honestly it's pretty rare to see someone self sabotage that hard. I don't think she particularly dislikes them either and just banned the words so she didn't have to really talk about it

>>56935613
>shit ton of men are very lonely
Yes. This has been building for decades with no signs that the real world is going to do anything other than shit on them more. I'm lucky to be old enough that getting a wife and home was still common. Sucks for those that came after me though.

>>56931509
can someone actually post the stats on this? everyone keeps saying it but they never actually post the change in numbers, no tables, no graphs or anything

>>56933033
There's no reason for them to follow someone who stops providing content they enjoy. Being "devoted" to a vtuber no matter what sounds more deranged.

>>56933033
>Unicorns are not devoted. They are not loyal. They are not committed.
Unicorns are extremely loyal, devoted, and committed. They'll stick by you through thick and thin but you have to follow one simple rule: don't collab with men. So don't collab with men like a fucking idiot.

>>56935763
I'm the minority because once I saw that most of Luxiem's boost was due to Chinese fujos, I knew it wasn't going to last. It was just a matter of time before someone at NijiEN did something to piss them off or they move on to the next trendy thing. The language barrier didn't help things either.

>>56930813
>most devoted fans
>devotion
>the fact or state of being ardently dedicated and loyal
Seems like those kinds of people are probably still fans, so I don't know who you're talking about.

>>56937010
>They're loyal, devoted, and committed, except...

>>56930958
3 guys retard. she came to cover for someone who had to leave early

>>56937097
>My husband was loyal, devoted and committed until I cheated and cucked him then he left me so this means he wasn't loyal
Fuck you fucking retarded woman. You're the reason the world is shit

>>56933504
the anime community is... le sad...

>>56937097
>They're loyal, devoted, and committed, except...
Yes. Loyal, devoted, and committed but not fools.

>>56937278
>Please be my wife, I'll do anything as long as you never talk to another man again.

>>56937097
congrats on your transition

>>56937518
>I'll watch your streams and give you money if you don't collab with men. But if you do then I'll leave, take my money with me, and never come back.

>>56934038
They probably have social lives anon

Honestly, all of the anti-unicorn seethe here is just funny given what happened yesterday.

Idk, sisters. If unicorns weren't the backbone of the vtubing community, maybe your two homos would still be in Stars instead of trying to figure out how they can get into Mythic roru. I'll admit, a small % of you actually do put your money where your mouth is, but clearly nowhere near enough of you.

>>56933843
the absolute fucking state of clockfags
you have surpassed deadcvcks as the most delusional fanbase

>>56934480
tranny
>>56934503
it is icky and weird, and probably annoying to clean but also maybe not for someone heavily devoted to making girl shrines.
Using your money on merch like that doesn't make you a richfag it makes you somewhat nihilistic/stupid with money. I don't know how to explain it.
Do not think ill intent with this

>>56937278
>My husband was loyal, devoted and committed until I spoke with a male coworker in front of him then he left me so this means I’m a cheating whore

Your spirit is weak and your resolve shatters like glass if that’s all it took to abandon your Oshi

>>56930813
Bold of you to assume that she thought that far enough.

>>56935233
meds

>>56937706
>If unicorns weren't the backbone of the vtubing community
I'd believe this if Twitch whores weren't so prominent to the point that they have their own threads on this board

>>56930813
The only thing I don't understand is trying to get her to stop with homo collabs but not giving her a chance when she does.

>>56933133
Anon, look at what is going on with Cover as of late and you tell me? Shareholders, sponsors, and other stakeholders see unicorns as a liability even if they are some of the bigger paypigs

Making incels screech is an end in and of itself

>>56938072
Welcome to the world of estrogen ridden unicorns anon. Much like women even if you try to reverse your actions, they won't forgive you.

>>56933424
mind showing us your dozens of figurines?

>>56938183
Homosisters are the trannies and foids. They’re the ones obsessed with owning le unichuds and le incels and making straight men seethe.

>>56933799
>rm in june
This year or last?

>>56938072
Trust is hard if not impossible to repair.

Kronii easily mogs advent and myth, she's doing superb and beyond expectations for a homo collaber.
Face it fag, you fucking lost, Kronii won after all.
All your seething amounted to nothing as it always does.

>>56933917
>What could kronii possibly learn from her, I wonder?
Be cuter

>>56938072
I can't speak for everyone who was involved, and although the collabs started it, it was mainly her attitude afterwards that stung for those people. It's not as if Kronii has any reason to act repetant either, especially when the damage is already done.

>>56937674
Sis, you are acting like she is streaming 24/7. It's not like fuwamoco are saying bau bau offstream. Everyone has lives offstream and you can get away with the bare minimum stream time in holoen.

>>56938246
God I wish 2014 never happened.

>>56930813
not having the jp-like schizo audience

>Homosisters white knighting Kronii
kek it's never been more over for this whore

>>56937278
kwab, how's them nerves? struck?

>>56937870
>Using your money on merch like that doesn't make you a richfag it makes you somewhat STUPID with money.
Absolutely correct.

>>56930813
She needed to cleanse her fanbase of people who wouldn't let her do what she she wanted so she could enjoy her vtuber career. She should have done it v earlier.

>>56937870
>no ill intent
>icky and weird
You're just stupid anon. It's okay. You can improve. The first step is to realize that you are lesser than all the unicorns in the world. Not financially, not intellectually, not even personally. You are less devoted, and for that, you are left wanting. You're not your Oshi's husband. That anon that spends thousands building a shrine to his Oshi is. You are just a casual. You aren't even on the same level so there was no reason to even argue in the first place.

>>56938709
True. She should have followed the rat's lead and made things clear at debut.

>>56930813
>berated a ghost by calling it single as an insult in a Phasmo collab
>Kaela mostly just stays silent due to the awkwardness
Don't know her endgame but she definitely has issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY7ckT41cHg

>>56938090
Short term investors are probably fine. It's the long term investors that likely don't trust it.
Investing into a company that relies on unstable women coddling unstable men for their wallets isn't a smart investment when it's known that those women aren't draining them at every opportunity.
Just hearing a holomem say "watching is enough support" closes the checkbook.

>>56938707
Yes that's the point, homobeggars like yourself don't buy merch so what makes you think a company has any interest in you since you don't make them any money while the guy in the pic clearly does?

>>56938709
She's clearly having a blast being told by management to shill her merch more because she can't sell it all anymore lmao

>>56935552
>>Not in CGDCT anime which is what vtubing is based off
>first time i ever heard of that, is there any proof for this?
Migo sells that well. She won't even acknowledge irl males. Then there's Towa who is the opposite.

>>56938246
If homosisters are trannies and foids, why are unicorns acting like a bunch of 13 year old girls? The amount of whining put up by them puts half of women out there to shame.

>>56933268
People who can't tell what ought to be from what is, need to be forcibly kept away from business decisions that affect any company.

>>56938995
Brutally honest here, relying on a streamer is unhealthy. Weak males would benefit from finding Jesus.

>>56938944
She's self deprecating. She's also a single loser. Her fans are also single losers (like most Hololive viewers) and likely huff the same copium.
#relatable millennial humor.
Inb4 "but I don't want to be reminded of reality"
Then don't pick the clock as your oshi.

>>56938709
>Lose all of your fans
>Lose boyfriends anyways
>"A-atleast I can do whatever I want"

>>56933033
Yeah fuck those guys, for being so human.

>>56938090
Good, it will keep the retarded fucking MBAs from ruining the company.

>>56937870
>it is icky and weird
Ironic weeb newfaggotry. Disgusting.
>Using your money on merch like that doesn't make you a richfag it makes you somewhat nihilistic/stupid with money.
Hmm, maybe you're alright...

>>56939216
She's not my oshi and considering how depressed she always sounds, I'm perfectly fine with that. I mainly see her when Kaela collabs with her.

>>56939079
>Migo sells that well. She won't even acknowledge irl males.
Ohnonono

>>56939180
Update friend, god is done with jesus, she is now a vtuber

>>56930958
It was one collab
Anonchama is having trouble counting

>>56939493
Kanata too.
I know of the shitposts and that's fine, she had 1 or 2 collabs long ago and she hated the guys. She has kept her promised since.

>>56939396
Damn, Kaela is the only one who sounds more depressed than Kronii.

>devoted fans
>ready to kill you if you dont do what they want
kill every unicorn. YOu are no better than homobeggars. always derailing always thinking that you are the most important, while all you do is being fucking annoying with your whining.

>>56930916
pretty much this, she had to own the 'cels for twitter validation points

>>56939691
seethe

>>56939691
rumao. Seethe, tranny, seethe

>>56930813
seeing some of the obnoxious namefags get BTFO was a delight so I don't care

Come home white man

>>56936635
The numbers and evidence get posted all the fucking time, she is literally the only EN holo who had to announce her merch sales a second time from poor performance. The rest usually sell out within a day or two, except for kronii who had to remind people her merch existed to get more sales

>>56939043
You're literally unable to talk about anything else other than one thing that happened on a stream almost half a year ago.

>>56937518
>Anon, I'm going to hit the club with dude from work, Might get home for the night, might not
Mans instinct is to preserve his genes, this is easiest by having no competition. Strong males would never allow other men to approach their women. If you are lacking this sense of awarness towards other men that "might" like a woman you fancy, you are doomed as a human.

>>56940132
>being this fucking retarded
Only limited merch can sell out, Kronii has not released limited merch.
Honestly she seems completely disinterested in merch at this point. Her last merch that she seemed excited about was 2022 birthday merch. Everything since then has been garbage.
But keep posting this rrat while she mogs all of EN >>56938381

The simple truth of the situation is that some of these girls need a reminder that they're playing a role, and unicorns enforce this the hardest
Whether they're the type like Mori that thinks she should just be able to stream as herself or the depressive menhera types, a lot of them aren't very professional and need to be reminded to keep up appearances, and interacting with the opposite sex is the fastest way for those facades to break

>>56940205
>Anon hooking up with a woman who goes to clubs in 2023

>>56940205
Mate, you cannot breed the pixels you see on your computer screen

>>56933055
can someone update this image to include the graduation notice

>>56940205
Hilarious take from a unicuck incel who will never touch a woman

>>56940035
I already made my home in Mococo's bellybutton

>>56940899
Yet you're /here/. Stop lying to yourself.

>>56941212
The difference between us is that I don't suffer from delusions about it.

>>56930813
Gachikoi and unichads won
Kroniis merch sales bombed after those collabs
Fucking kneel niggers

>>56940690
>>56940695
What is possible/reality is irrelevant. The argument is how our biological brain is hardwired to perceive things.

Humans are supposed to pair at young age (asap), so you lock your eyes on first possible healthy woman. For many that might be a vtuber avatar, hormones can't really tell a difference. Now that you deem that person a possible partner your primal instinct is to fend off the competition. The girl hanging out with said potentional competitor is a dna gutpunch, you want to act but can't.

Men and women cant be platonic friends, there is always sexual tension.

>>56941285
You're just as mentally damaged

>>56941290
Kronii merch sales bombed because stopped caring about delivering merch and now we have to deal with retarded jap opinions on what will be good.
The birthday merch had the stupid lunchbox referencing the meme she hates, some stupid acrylic stand and a mystery pillow, all complete with retarded shipping costs.

Now we get a shirt with a horrible design that will probably not fit many fans, socks that will definitely not fit any fans and a mug.
The mug is cool, I want it but I will probably see what else is getting released to save on shipping.

>>56941480
>men and women cant be friends
Not 100% true, im good friends with my brothers wife, we like to talk shit about modern dnd and critical role.

>>56941544
No, because I'm capable of watching women online without pretending they are in an imaginary relationships with me and then getting mad when my retarded standards for what a relationship should be are not met by her.

>>56941480
>Humans have no agency over themselves

>>56940899
Married for 7 years, got a 10 y/o daughter, found out my wife was filling her unemployed days with e-sex, (she adamantly refoused having any physical activities) so I divorced her and deemed women worthless in general. I just want to enjoy my fantasy of pure women via Vtubers since real ones left me down.

>>56930813
Unicorn this, unikek that. In the end, you virtue-signalling tempigs lost two of your faggot oshis. It doesn't matter how much you want us to "rope" ourselves, or you accusing us of being "virgin incels"(oh the irony), you failed. Utterly and in no uncertain terms. Maybe if you had spent your time and energy actually watching their streams, instead of owning le evil incel haterz on a Mongolian basket-weaving board, things would have gone in a very different way. Until the next tempiss grad, toodles.

>>56941736
>unicorn is a cuck
Yes, we know.
No need to tell us.

>>56938381
2023-8-21 fuwamoco peak was at 13k kroni was at max 9k kek
>www.hololyzer.net

>>56941604
When their happy-life gets few cracks and she gives you a drunken phone
call, I hope you still have that spine.

>>56941698
They do and don't. People used to practise intense discipline to keep themselves in check, but that trend faded long ago, its popular now to do what you want.

>>56942027
>top memeber for new gen with debut buff is higher
>therefore Kronii is dead
Damn, I can't believe all of EN is dead now
EN-haters were right...

>>56942008
Leave it to the retard not to understand definitions. She would never dare to fuck anyone, she tried to file a restraining order for a reason. Her new boyfriend had to wait few blocks away while she dropped my kid, since she feared for their life. Modern society is just far too encouraging to act in hypersexual and carefree manner, and I don't want to be reminded of that in my freetime escapism.

>>56933469
Korean Canadians and American-Koreans are very different personality wise (with some exceptions).

>>56942254
Kronii was playing Holocure, her last ditch effort to revive her dead channel. She never touched the game before except for a single stream when it first released.

>>56941480
>Humans are beasts, who can only act on primal desires
KEK

>>56930813
>got rid of people who contribute nothing to her earnings
>also set clear boundaries

It was pretty good move especially for her persona (?).

>>56941285
Then leave retard, nobody needs a hipster in this board, go to a COOLER place for COOL DUDES who actually have SEX with REAL WOMEN in REAL LIFE like twitter or reddit

>>56942592
no

>>56942549
>Humans dont have primal instincts
Its pretty much proven, that higher testosterone level correlates with stronger impulses and lack of control of them. If you are emasculated, I merely feel sorry for you.

>>56942031
>I never leave my home, how could you tell?
RUMAO, what about you stop posting like a fucking basement dwelling loser for once in your life?

>>56942254
she had a break and then come back on the 21st and her peak for the return was 9k fauna and mumei after the breaks reach 15-16k peak she is on the same level as bae now, man council is cursed to have only 2/5 that keep up with the numbers in Holo

>>56942739
>unless you can't control your feelings because you are mentally weak you are not a real man
sad

>>56942739
>You should let your primal instincts control everything you do or you are not a real man
RUMAO wimpy incel

>>56933033
based BASED BASED
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>>56942591
>who contribute nothing to her earnings
Hah. If only you knew how bad things really are for Kronii. To give you an idea she sold less merch than Tempiss, and Tempiss doesn't sell a lot of merch at all.

>>56942747
>>56942847
>>56942851
Were the straws on sale or you just have poor reading comprehention? My bad though on ever expecting more than brainrot from /vt/ anyway, keep it classy as always.

>>56942977
Anon in the last 4 streams Kronii has made almost 11k in superchats
Even if you take out the anniversary she’s made 5k in 3 streams. I think she’ll be ok

>>56941589
>uhm acktually its cos we got bad merch
>its not the people who would buy any merch of their 2d suddenly deciding to stop buying trust me bro
lmao

>>56943119
>stronger impulses and lack of control of them
You literally just typed this retardchama

>>56943236
>uhm acktually its cos unicuck neet losers who have no money and are mostly from 3rd world shitholes have stopped buying
>it's not that the last merch she was actually excited and happy to shill was her 2022 bday merch

>>56943222
Compared to an indie? I guess. Compared to her non-homobeggar colleagues? No she's getting mogged and earning around 20% of what they do. Personally I wouldn't be taking an 80% paycut just to do a few streams with Vespiss before he fucks off but you justify Kronii being happy in the dumpster however you want homosister

>>56932170
Are you insulting Kiara or just ESL?

>>56943305
Yeah, but not the hyperbole you made out of it. Maybe we should just keep the discussion on regular board level; Tranny! Nigger! Me right, You wrong, B2Reddit, you can do the rest, pretending to be retarded is exhausting.

>>56943618
What hyperbole?
You just said not being able to control yourself is what makes you a man.
Stop backpaddling

>>56943751
>You just said not being able to control yourself is what makes you a man.
read again, I stated that your primal impulses become stronger with hormonal levels as a counter argument to a message that people don't have those at all. The argument being if you don't experience said impulses, you are not a man.

>>56943444
Last month
Iyrs 32k
Fauna 19k
Kronii 16k
Gura 10k
Mumei 9k
June
Fauna 22k
IRyS 12k
Kronii 10k
Gura 9k
Mumei not even in top 100
She also beats out Kiara in May and June the only month Kiara beats her is July(her birthday).
>Earning 20% of what they do

>>56944267
No I read it just fine.
>higher testosterone level correlates with stronger impulses and lack of control of them
>lack of control of them
Maybe you have trouble forming English sentences?
Do you need "lack" defined yo you? What exactly is the issue?

>>56944371
>b-b-ut the mech

>>56944371
Miko made 200k in 5 mins during her last round of merch. Kroniis superchats are irrelevant, shes not moving merch and merch is where the majority of holos income comes from

>>56935613
>It's a relationship that can only fulfill material goals, with any emotional resolution impossible, yet they embrace it because they feel that they've hit a dead end in their romantic lives and are settling for what they think is the best possible situation for them.

And that's insanely fucking pathetic. No-one gives a fuck about some lonely limp-wristed virgins crying over their shit lives and needing to pretend random stranger women across the world cares about them. You are a failure as a man if that's your predicament. The fact that people here unironically defend and go to bat for pathetic subhumans like that here is hilarious. Most notably because this is 4chan and it's not unlikely that the majority who post on here can relate to being pathetic subhumans.

>Homobeggars desperately trying to defend Kronii because collabing with Vesper was actually the biggest mistake of her life
Holy kek

>>56944784
>unicucks desperately building rrats where their opinions is not irrelevant
top kek

>>56944493
Not really, since discipline is something you need to actively practise, having higher testosterone by default leads to having trouble with impulse control.
Fun fact: Autism also correlates with high testosterone. Anime is so appealing to autists since japanese by culture have highly repressed social emotions. The powerlifter blasting weebmusic is not a meme.

>>56931003

now her voice and this goddamm song is stuck in my head again, thanks anon

>>56944897
I hate unicorns as much as the next retard but I'd say their opinions probably matter much more than most since they're the ones putting bread on the table
t. never membered for more than 6 months, never supa'd, never bought merch

>>56944371
>Starts the conversation talking about SC
>Doing good compared to an Indie pull some number out of his ass
>Shows she’s middle of the pack in terms of SC
>M…m..merch
Shut the fuck up. Outside of that flop we have no idea how well her other merch sells. We have no idea how much her daki set sold. Using 1 flop to imply that’s how all her merch sells is retarded

>>56945171
>they're the ones putting bread on the table
You got a citation for that?
t. membered to 5 girls for years, bought merch, superchated

>>56945315
Meant for >>56944566

>>56945315
>middle of the pack
Middle of the top earners who are actually worth showing.
Did you forget that EN had 10 members pre-advent?

>>56945315
Nah we can get the merch numbers are Kroniis sales are really grim. Homobeggars don't buy merch

>>56945315
I'm a Kronie and I can predict that her current merch will also flop.
She doesn't seem invested into providing it so we get stupid jap manager products.
A shirt with an ugly design and socks made for tiny jap feet.
Mug might be nice though.

>>56941480
>>56940205
If you're such a Chad male and in-tune with your biological goals, why haven't you had sex and have been with multiple women irl already? I'm tired of seeing this shit on 4chan all the time from people who never actual do said things. They apparently know all about what it means to court and shit, but they never have experienced it themselves. Then give a sad excuse for why they haven't like "uuuuuh women too lowly for me".

>>56945555
>we can get the merch numbers
No you no longer can.
Please feel free to post fake numbers for your own satisfaction though.

>>56933033
Unicorns are like 'because i don't have any relationship irl i'll try to make some parasocial streamer as miserable as i am'
They try to convince themselves that its is devotion, but its only selfish and jealous behavior of ruining others because of their own misery

>>56945465
Anon, any way you want to slice it Kronii is completely average. This idea she’s flopping or on some hard times is a complete fantasy.

>>56945654
This to me is a bigger deal than Vesper/Magni shit. I mean her last one was a fucking burger box or some stupid shit. We don’t get coombait or cute art or anything. She dropped one amazing set then it’s just been a slew of garbage

>>56945368
>>56945368
Mentally ill people are willing to pay the most money. It’s why lootboxes worked for a long time, it’s why furries are willing to pay hundreds of bucks for a fur suit.

>>56930813
she should show her breasts more

>>56940205
>>56941480
>unicorn admitting to being a literal retard that cannot control his lizard brain
At least this one's being honest.

>>56946020
>Kronii is completely average
I agree that she is not flopping but she has always been, and still is, in the top half, not average.
Unless you completely disregard current (relatively speaking) underperformers.

>>56945368
I must admit that I have no numbers to back up my claim, I'm just talking from what I've seen.

>>56939216
it should be obvious that she goes hard on the self deprecation thing, and that besides her narcisist persona, she is pretty self conscious about many things...
but its not like people here is able to see obvious things, right?

>>56946392
Anon, like maybe 10 of the 100 posters in the thread actually watch Kronii.
It's not obvious at all to people who aren't even clipwatchers but bait threadreaders

>>56945725
As I posted before, I was married with a kid, she attempted to cuck me and I divorced her. After that I started to read about existentialism and philosophy in general. And you misunderstood, I dont want a woman, I really cant trust them anymore I just want an ideal woman projected as an animegirl to fill my social needs. I'm pretty much every unicorn shares this view.

Losing Fagni and Vespiss really mindbroke the homosisters huh. The fact they took down Kronii with them is just the icing on the cake. Her fate is ample warning why you never do homoshit. She has lost tens of thousands in income for a handful of streams with a guy who didn't even give a shit about the job

>>56946677
How's your kid?

>>56946751
>If I keep saying it eventually it will come true!

>>56930813
>endgame
You're over analyzing it, faggot OP
She's a woman, she doesn't plan she just reacts
I'm glad Mori convinced her to show her true cunty colors to her coomer fans, not that she was any good pre-homo either

>>56946677
How much do you pay in alimony?

>>56946761
Has it pretty tough to be honest, since her mother is unemployed and really irresponsible in general. Likes to listen Gura 's singing before going to sleep.

>>56947230
410 eur, which is twice higher than any of my friends in same situation. Those social workers really fucked me over.

But enough about that, discussion is far too derailed and I got things to do.

>>56947426
>Likes to listen Gura 's singing before going to sleep.
Grooming him to become another paypig, nice.

>>56947622
Lets keep her as a girl atleast, haven't told Guras name though, she calls Gura "The girl with cute voice"

>>56930813
I hope she is the next in line to graduate. I can't even understand why some people feel the need to defend this ungrateful cunt.

>>56938528
>sis you are blah blah
out. Missrepresebted me in your retardation. It was supposed to be read a very sterile comment.

Im simply saying that unicorn purefagging with internet famous women is a losing battle ergo retarded

>>56930813
>What was her endgame?
Baizuo women that think they can do whatever they want and twitter will always come rescue them from the chuds. However, chuds are the primary customer demographic in this business while twitter warriors are not.

>>56938882
>>56939382
Well i had sex with my wife (my oshi) last night so uhmm
*pushes glasses up*
get fuckd.

>>56939691
>>56939752
>>56939798
subhumans

>>56932915
She was young and inexperienced. She was in way over her head. I put the blame on management not advising her correctly. Being a part of a company that has been doing this work for years should be enough to prevent stupid moves like this. But it didn't.

>>56940695
but i will.

>>56933917
Same guy here
>What Kronii could learn from Frienzoner?
Not getting oneguyed
This is an universal problem with most cover talents outside JP. Both EN and ID got oneguyed all the time.
Kronii should've ignored the seething but instead got vengeful about it. That was the only thing she did wrong.

>>56942747
>stacy style of writing
ew

>>56943751
god youre a fucking retard

>>56948445
Same. It was great.

>>56949884
I wrote this

>>56930813
>most devoted fans
They are controlling mysogynistic creeps. Good riddance

>>56938381
You know she used to be the second most popular EN girl by a wide margin right? Her being on par with the other girls shows that she did in fact decline quite a bit

>>56951123
Her popularity was slipping long before tempus, much to the chagrin of p-chan.
She was never comfortable being the leader and did not try to maintain that spot.

How are you feeling, vindicated anons?

>>56930813
Shes mentally ill, she eats rotten food and remove her tits, dont expect her actions to make sense.

>>56937097
>anon learns what a dealbreaker is
It's funny because twitterfreaks will throw you under the bus for a million other reasons but one dealbreaker of nomales is the worst thing ever. Also you don't need to be a schizo, most people just walk out the door. That said, the level of investment also plays a part, someone who's super invested may tolerate more due to higher faith/trust. But a casual viewer has little to lose taking 5 seconds to unsub from someone.

>>56938381
Holy crap, didn’t she used to get 11-13k? What happened?

>>56950966
This. Unicorns get the rope

>>56932915
Shes not pureblood, shes canadian, the western memes already got to her regardless of her genes.

>>56930813
She had no endgame. She's a Korean woman. Doing anything possible to spite men is in her blood.

>>56930813
Her devoted fans are unironical discord trannies that would rather talk about other Kroni members than Kroni herself. Literal name dropping discord faggots and trannies. One of the most disgusting fanbases ever.

>>56941736
Be there for your daughter retard, dont say that about women when youbhave a daughter.

>>56930813
To get rid of her schizos and have a small community of people she actually likes

>>56952161
trannies faggots and normiefags then.

>>56941698
Unless you believe in magic you know that this is quite literally true.

>>56953381
Is this some weird christian cope?

>>56933133
There are people talking about UNTAPPED FEMALE MARKET to this fucking day dude

>>56933033
Unicorns actually watch streams and spend a ton of money.
Homobeggars don't watch streams, don't spend a cent and lose any interest and move on to the next thing as soon as they get their way.

That's the difference one side of that coin is a potentially dedicated money source and fan the other side is just someone who is in for the drama and because they are so petty they want everybody else to suffer

>>56953864
materialistic determinism and youre a huge retard.
not that guy btw.

>>56952161
So a hugbox of yes men and troons?

>>56936635
The reason why her merch didn't sell is pretty fucking obvious, and it has nothing to do with unicorns. Even fucking Gura would struggle to convince her braindead chumfucks to pay extortionate shipping prices like this for a fucking pillow.

>>56933302
it’s like american dip sushi in ketchup
they don’t respect tradition and wanna do it their way

>>56954549
>extortionate shipping prices
that's the thing about unicorns
they don't care and they will pay
people can keep trying to own the "incels" unicorns or whatever but they spend money and are autistic about shit like not watching clips but opening vods anytime they want to re watch specific thing.

>>56930813
Being a woman is difficult.

>>56931884
>korean womens only endgame is owning the males
I thought it was playing Genshit?

>>56930813
Her endgame was being a modern woman poisoned by media run by jews who want to destroy family values for greater control.

>>56954261
>basing your entire worldview on determinism because "muh physics" despite the fact that no one has any evidence that the quantum interactions physics is built on are pre-determined

>>56938247
This year. That would line up right around the time that Vesper and Magni started making a fuss about their contracts and likely signaled they weren't going to renew them while riding out the rest of the contract. Also, Vesper's a humongous asshole with deep-seated rage problems and Magni is a diva, so it's not too surprising that anyone who's been in the background with them (Altare, Axel) ends up resenting them.

>>56933033
This is why I come to /vt/, absolute drama, fine whining, and top shelf butthurt.

>>56944732
Yes, and? You're here too buddy.

>>56951763
She used to get 20k for buff games like mincraft. Kek not anymore.

>>56930813
Life has a funny way of fucking you back
>>56932915
Like this gem of a tweet, lmao. Look at how much she went out of her way to be a stupid cunt, all for nothing, for some dudes that were arguably more mentally unstable than her. This is such sweet justice, I hope she's still secretly seething about it.

>>56937659
>I will watch your streams and give you money, but if you don't do EXACTLY what I tell you to do, I will call you every insult under the sun, send hate towards you constantly, send hate to anybody who interacts with you, try and convince others to hate you too, try and get you fired, and basically act exactly like a chink who just heard the word 'taiwan'
>Also, don't even think about trying to hide things behind your private RM account, because I WILL find out, and you WILL pay the consequences

>>56937787
The funny part is I don't watch either of them
I'm just capable of rational thought and have a decent grip on reality

I realize that's a relatively high bar for /vt/

>>56931076
Kek, how old are you fagg who talks like that

>>56932563
Who the fuck is gave? and why does he live rentfree in your head.

>>56954261
determinism is the most toxic shit to exist.

>>56938882
>You're not your Oshi's husband. That anon that spends thousands building a shrine to his Oshi is.
This nigga really out here saying the path to love is buying things

I don't know how Hololive managed to imprint such unapologetic consooming into you, but damned if it didn't work out for their bottom line I guess

>>56955686
Sounds about right. If they don't like easy money they can quit and get a real job where they'll instead have to kiss ass and listen to EXACTLY what some fat fuck manager tells them to do. It's like you've never worked in your life before.

>>56932170
Unicorns have never been reliable whales for EN, you streamlet. Ignoring them is the right thing todo. The problem is she stopped catering to the coomers who are the actual paypiggies.

>>56956087
I am pretty sure those are just unicorns with extra steps.

>>56955045
Unicorns are a minority so even if they are paying out the nose when they shouldn't, their purchasing power isn't going to outweigh the hundreds of thousands of normal fans.

>>56955045
Unicorns with actual money are the vast minority.
Most are broke third worlders mindbroken by the fact that all the good women from their country wouldn't touch them over some (relatively) rich white guy.

>>56933033
So what you're saying is that it's good they're NOT a cult?

>>56956310
>>56956410
The thing is, people who actually give money to the talents are in general a minority of their fanbase.
Also just because they are a minority doesn’t mean they don’t make up 90% of money.
Also Unicorns are like furries, as in they are mentally ill people that somehow manages to get an absurd amounts money for their obsession.
Remember that these are the same people that most likely have shelves full of anime figures (which are expensive on their own)

>>56955961
>muh consoooomerism
it's a hobby that only exists on the back of audience support. there are other things you can do to support your oshi but paypigs at the end of the day are the only thing that actually keep it going. if you seriously get upset by that you are encouraged to engage in literally anything else

>>56956752
>just because they are a minority doesn’t mean they don’t make up 90% of money
You have literally no metrics to substantiate this

>>56956867
I understand that the audience paying out is what keeps vtubing alive.
But to frame it as "you don't truly love your oshi unless you spend as much money as possible" is something else entirely, a real fucked mindset to have that's nothing short of consumerist brainwashing

>>56956867
Which means that vtubers using GFE is the vtuber equivalent of companies like EA using lootboxes.

Yes dumbass I spend my money on bitches that are worth it and throw hateful cum rags when they turn on me

>>56933838
Japan follows the traditional definition of an Idol, while also understanding that Hololive allows the girls to redefine what 'an idol' means to them. EN fans, meanwhile, follow a definition they got by watching Love Live (and by watch, I mean 'they saw a clip of Snow Halation once'). Combine that with the console-war bullshit where anything even slightly lewd is considered "vshojo whore behavior", and add a load of cuckold fetishists, and you get a group of very messed up individuals.

>>56956752
>people who actually give money to the talents are in general a minority
Yes but you have no idea what percent of those are unicorns.
Sure they are mentally ill enough to spend more money than is sane but they are also mentally ill enough to not have a lot of money in the first place.

>>56955795
That is the correct way to talk with children who have arrested development like (You)

>>56957364
I don’t know about that, it’s seem like if you are mentally ill enough you can find enough money for anything, hence why furries are able to buy fur suits that cost $1000 dollars and are able to commission a LOT of furry “art”.
Also if those nut jobs can do it, I can only assume unicorns can too.

>promptly

>>56937278
A vtuber is not your wife. lol

>>56958377
Hence why I for one do not give any vtuber money.

>>56931884
Time woman is a gook?

>>56957000
Consumerism is bad. Yeah, sure no shit it is. But, at the end of the day. People pay hand over foot for their hobbies and interests. Merchandise is the largest or second-largest revenue stream in the entertainment industry. Picrel is something a lot of people don't seem to understand.

>>56958907
I am very specifically pointing at the mindset the other guy proposed, not the economy of the industry.

>>56938381
What the fuck happened to Ina

>>56957000
>You have literally no metrics to substantiate this
Never do you

>>56933117
>Frogposter
I think I'm going to vomit.

>>56933033
Unicorns... they found out our true nature.

>>56957000
> But to frame it as "you don't truly love your oshi unless you spend as much money as possible" is something else entirely, a real fucked mindset to have that's nothing short of consumerist brainwashing
That’s the thought process of most people even the most anti-unicorn ones. And it’s one that most vtubers want you to have.

>>56959013
I understand it. You think that loving your oshi by paying with money is bad and is consumerist brainwashing. However, it's an understandable mindset. From the revenue stream we know that cover cultivates that mindset, a lot of entertainment companies do the same thing. They just do it in a far more scummy way. copyright, gacha, p2w, fomo, etc. Everyone has to eat, and the point of it all is that there are worse things you could be spending your money on than some 2D anime women engineered in covers studio. The mindset is horrible, and the economy shows that it's not just some random occurrence, it's by design. If you think it's bad you're just not following the full program. There's nothing wrong with being casual, it just means you're not part of the 50% revenue stream that keeps the lights on. You are apart of the other 50%.

>>56959214
she has been playing garbage

>>56931884
That shithole being Canada?

>>56960049
>loving your oshi by paying with money is bad
nta but supporting your oshi and her work by donating to her is not the issue.
Thinking that she is now your gf and/or you own her is the issue.
And thinking that the more you pay the more you own her is just dumb.

>>56961305
>Bargain bin frogs
>All dissidents get their banking accounts frozen
>Food is astronomically expensive
>Massive influx of chinks and muslim
>Castrated population composed of male feminists
>Doctors allowed euthanasia, promoting the poor and depressed teens to kill themselves
>No guns
>Nanny state
>Literally Cuba 2.0, Castro included

Yeah arguably worse than Korea

>>56945757
Imagine being this retarded and thinking this mentality only exists in this niche form of entertainment

>>56962216
Damn, I must live in some alternate Canada.
All we have here is just america with government provided healthcare, more expensive alcohol and less dead kids.