/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

BAU BAU

>>56920079
bau bau homobeggar

>>56920079
WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE JOSHUA

>>56920079
Stop spamming this. Mori unfollowed him so he's nothing but a random twitterfaggot now.

>>56920079
This bait had not only been consumed, but fully digested and had left the bowels to be deposited into the sewer system.

>>56920294
>>56920196
They need to know it's not okay to not pay artists and expect free work
>>56920387
>we also decided to blacklist someone because they dared say that artists have rights too
you think that makes you look good? because it doesn't

>>56920079
>NOOOOOOOOO DON'T ENGAGE YOUR COMMUNITY YOU SHOULD BE HIRING MY ART FRIENDERINOOOOOOS
kys nigger when my oshi asks for a small project I do it for fun, and if I didn't think it was worth it I just wouldn't participate

I'll take your bait
It's all voluntary and no one is going broke to participate. Its not that hard to wrap your mind around.
Some smaller creators online are desperate to soap box on something for free internet points which is why a voluntary competition has been an issue in the last 3 years but not the 40 years before that when comic artists, show runners, or mangaka asked for art to be in official fan art books.

>>56920079
You’re not slick retard, we literally all know this is you posting your own tweets on here. No one else gives a fuck

BAU BAU

>>56920079
can you quit it mr fetal alcohol syndrome?
mr least crippled looking finnish person?

>>56920079
It's an easy way for small guys to get their name out there by piggybacking off a big brand like Hololive (Kinda like what this faggot crying about Musk did lmao)

>>56920545
>>56920517
>>56920580
Artists deserve to get paid how hard is that to understand?

>>56920079
BAU BAU!!

>>56920079
>those metrics
rumao

>>56920079
why is this thread alive again??? JUST READ THE FUCKIN ARCHIVE

>>56920622
drawing porn on twitter for a living isnt art

>compensation for a ten second jingle you can hum in your submission
What is this guy huffing?

>>56920622
You weren’t commissioned.

>>56920294
rent free

>>56920622
It's a contest, you are not being forced to enter it.

>>56920622
>artists deserve to get paid
if they're doing paid work, yeah
>REEEE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SHOULDN'T EXIST REEEEE
fucking retard participation is free, literally no one is forcing you or anyone to do anything, if you don't like doing free work then don't do it, but then don't go sperging out about those of us who just want to have some fun doing something

>>56920658
can't find anything in the catalog

>>56920658
link it

>>56920622
This is not for artists, this is for fans.

>>56920622
>Oh hey there's this thing where fans can submit work to have used on stream
>It doesn't say anything about credit or compensation though
You now have four choices
A. Take your business elsewhere
B. Inquire if the winner is compensated / credited
C. Write a passive aggressive tweet where you complain about exploited artists and try to get others to not deal with them.
D. Submit
If your choice is C. You suffer from useful idiot syndrome as per Lenin and have no idea what Marx wrote, you will also decry capitalism because you are retarded.

>>56920079
YOUR FRONT DOOR IS UNLOCKED

>>56920079
>people are actually still replying with all seriousness to the exact same image posted yesterday.

Anons, I had faith in you...

>>56920994
Capitalism is destroying the earth

>>56921025
OP here I can't believe it either LMAO

>>56920622
And yet, the musicians who will inevitably give their labor away for free in response are completely allowed to do that.

>>56920622
Your mediocre work will be fully replaced by AI within a few years you hack.

>>56921062
That only happens because they are tricked into thinking that "engagement" will actually help them when in reality it never does.
It's just leeches like FWMC trying to extra free labor from hard working artists when they could easily pay them

>>56921025
unlike you there's many that don't spend 24x7 just posting on this board, this is my first time seeing this shit

>>56921052
"capitalism" is a natural phenomenon

>>56920079
I actually agree with him

I know vt has a gient erection for these two but he's actually right. They're not actual anime dog women, you know that right? These are two (now) very rich women. He knows the intention of this, his point is specifically about it being THEM for how big they are. He obviously knows this is to help give people exposure and is worried it will encourage other big vtubers to do the same so they never have to pay.

>>56921142
>Everything is labor that should be compensated
I guess I should ask the old lady that used to live next door for compensation for shovelling snow in her driveway.

>>56921346
>Everything is labor that should be compensated
if the other person has means that is correct yes

The knobhead got unfollowed by Calli lets gooooo , how does them burned bridges taste like

>>56920079
>forced

>>56921381
No fuck you, my labor my rules.

>>56921317
Artists don't need to participate if they don't want to

>>56920622
There's a simple logical flowsheet
>is it commission or volunteer
>volunteer
>no pay
Or
>is it commission or volunteer?
>commission
>it is paid
You didn't even read my post

This corpo bootlicker mentality is hilarious. You apologist fucks are the reason corpos shit on consuners more every day, because you accept everything.

>>56920079
Stfu Joshua

>>56920496
>They need to know it's not okay to not pay artists and expect free work
Do volunteers get paid? No, they don't because they're volunteering. I.e they're doing it of their own free will because they want to knowing full they won't get paid. That's what's happening here. No one's forcing anyone to submit anything but they're doing so of their own free will because they like FuwaMoco and none of them are submitting jingles with money in mind.

>>56921544
THEY ARE GOING TO USE IT TO MAKE MONEY
THEY ARE GETTING SOMETHING FOR FREE AND USING IT TO MAKE MONEY
How is that so hard to understand?

I still think their stream from today was garbage, if you're just going to get a heartattack don't touch any horror games at all

>>56921544
nta but
If they’re gonna use this jingle for every stream from now on, yeah they should pay for it. Saying it builds fan engagement isn’t a decent defense because that’s just another benefit to FWMC, not to the actual fanbase.

>>56921282
Even if you hadn't seen it, at least have the good sense to recognize obvious bait threads. And in that case, why rage here when you could go to the faggot's xitter and rile him up?

>>56921317
he proudly displays the same "Mori Calliope" as a credit in his profile who held a remix competition that resulted in hundreds of works and thousands of hours of 'unpaid labor', and is participating in an event that has a similar unpaid fan submission open.

Read any of his other replies, he's not acting in good faith. And also completely misunderstood the assignment, arguably on purpose for twitter points.

>>56921618
People are getting tired of that shit as well.
Literally making everybody waste time for no reason

>>56921317
You made this EXACT post yesterday, word for word.

>>56921608
cry about it

>>56920079
drink bleach you commie faggot, bau bau

>>56921725
factually incorrect
first it wasn't mean I just copypasted it
2nd I added "I actually agree with him"
3rd thanks for the (You)

>>56920079
>talented ruffians
you are not even one of them

Did they respond to that on stream or will they addres it at fwmc morning?

>>56920079
I don't listen to nobodies who try to use Mori as clout on xitter.
It's a 5-10 second jingle, they could easily lean on Hololive connections and resources to have it made. It's an opportunity to have something created by the community. They aren't 2view art beggars.
BAU BAU

>>56921317
>now very rich women
they literally have not been paid yet

>>56921608
oh no, i cant believe these content creators are being held at gun point to produce content for the cute dog girls. shut the fuck up you useless commie nigger.

>>56921608
>Contribution is important because it is what drives this website. If we didn't have a dedicated pool of users who frequently contribute, we'd be yet another stagnant run of the mill forum. But we aren't. By having an increasing number of diverse and quality contributors, 4chan becomes more unique, interesting, and enjoyable to use.

>4chan asks me for contribution
>4chan gets my posts for free and uses it to make money
FUCK THIS 4CHAN PAY ME FOR MY SHITPOSTING

>>56921877
they got hired by cover months ago and recieved a salary for that time arleady.
Now they have superchats that will be given out to them. They can pay for this content.

>>56920079
bau bau

>>56921863
The retard has already gotten enough attention as it is, them addressing it and giving him even more attention would be dumb so I hope they don't.

>>56921875
adding "Bau Bau" at the end of an argument just misses the whole point, you're not supposed to argue in the first place

>>56921936
they could, but this worthless fag hasnt produced anything worth paying for, especially when there are dozens of more talented people willing to produce content because they enjoy the content and not so they can suck as much money as possible out of it

>>56921863
They better I wrote an email to their manager reporting this attempt to exploit artists

>>56921052
The Earth will survive even if you detonated all stockpile of nuclear bomb 10 times at a same time.
Sure it will take at minimum 10k years for Earth to return back to its glory but compared to current age and life expectancy of Earth, it's just a mere blink.

>>56921317
You literal just fucking copypasted this post from numbers, jesus christ anons just do your fucking reps in the archives and stop biting the bait, also this faggot is 100% blacklisted, mori just unfollow him few hours ago

>>56921895
Nobody claimed that. The point is whether or not they exploit the dedication of their fans to not pay for a service that benefits their show.

>>56921936
>salary for months
they have not received a single cent in payment yet, besides they don't get a large amount as a salary
they were given a small amount to spend as they wish on miscellaneous stuff, but they're not rich
>superchats
They have not received a single cent from this

>>56922007
I take offense to the just part
see >>56921789

>>56921052
>Looks at the Aral sea

Ah, the envrionmental benefits of Gobbuminism.

I remember submitting a shitty doodle when Sana asked for sanallite drawings for her to use on her Metroid Dread stream
I did it because I’m a sanallite, there were some others who weren’t sanallites but submitted their entries anyway without any expectations of compensation
I can’t recall any artists sperging out over that, and she has quite the number of artist viewers
I have more respect for illustrators than musicians now

>>56922015
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY WONT I GET PAID FOR ART I CHOOSE TO MAAAAAAAKE ITS NOT FAAAAAIIIIIIIR

cry more nigger bau bau

>this is the face of the average FuwaMoco hater
Say something nice about him (her?)

>>56922020
>they have not received a single cent in payment yet
So in order for your cope to work Cover needs to be a black company forcing them to undergo training and stream for a month before even giving them money?
Yeah no I think they got paid right and now want a freebie because they think they can

>>56922091 (me)
>I
>I
>I
>I
I’m a self-centered fuck btw

>>56922118
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY WONT I GET PAID FOR ART I CHOOSE TO MAAAAAAAKE ITS NOT FAAAAAIIIIIIIR
Yes exactly that's the issue. I'm not crying I'm not an artist but the fact that you can't engage with the subject fairly shows you agree with the conclusions drawn by him.

>>56922128
Fucking Finns, I swear. Russia should just pull out of Ukraine and invade them, instead. Fuck Mannerheim.

>>56922128
He looks good. 7/10 if it weren't for the lazy eye. Hopefully that's just photoshop going wrong.

>>56920079
bau bau

>>56922188
and guess what? they can choose not to produce content you stupid fucking nigger, they can take commissions that get paid, they are not owed your art, thats true, but they arent demanding it, they are asking if anyone would like to do this., you stupid nigger, bau bau

>>56922128
He looks like such a rapist his own body wont trust him so he has one eye constantly watching himself

>>56922188
Are you asking me for fair engagement, something I have to put time and effort into? I think I should be compensated fairly for that, it's only ethical if you want me to do work for you

>>56922256
This
Honestly baffling why these outsiders can’t understand nobody asked for their opinions
Having worked on Mori’s project doesn’t mean you’re automatically a member of her colleagues’ fanbases

>>56920622
fck off joshua.
how many people you scammed for your trash works

>>56922300
kek

>>56921936
Source?
Not accepting your opinions as hard fact

>>56920079
ah early morning bait

>>56922377
Source that they got hired months ago?
Are you insane?

>>56922256
That's still not the point in question. They know they have enough devoted fans to produce content for them. Should they monetarily compensate the one who made such a great work they intend to use it regularly for a for-profit show? I think obviously yes why not.

>>56921645
>If they’re gonna use this jingle for every stream from now on, yeah they should pay for it.
No they shouldn't. Imagine being stupid enough to pay for a free fan creation.

>>56920079
It's not to late for naked dogeza Joshua.

>>56922316
>outsiders
It's just shitposters and schizos latching on to what that retard said to shitpost about FuwaMoco.

>>56922422
bootlickers just don't understand that people should be paid for their work
specially when that work is going to be used to make money

>>56920079
This is fucking dumb. They could literally grab any random shit from audiostock like Ame. They did this for their fans

>>56922150
Okay, Kiara.

>>56922310
Fuwamoco gets money from fmwm mornings. I don't get money for educating you on 4channel.
Are you in any way able to engage with the fact that this is a marketable bit for a for profit show?
They're not just sharing his jingle on twitter. They use it to promote their show.

>>56922422
if you want me to keep interacting im going to need some compensation, i am putting in real work by entertaining your frivolous bullshit when i could be stroking my meat to clips of dog girls screaming, you stupid nigger, bau bau

>>56920496
>>56920079
>>56920622
>>56920951
>>56921381
KILL YOURSELF, FAGGOT!!!! BAU BAU!!!

>>56920079
>literally a nobody and his underlings
stop giving him attention you retards

You fucking retards are replying to some faggot who is just copypasting posts, stop being retards:
>>56922007
>>56921789
>>56921058
>>56922050
seriously if retards keep replying him i am going to start believing the death internet theory because i refuse to think i share the with such fucking retards

>>56922435
>Imagine being stupid enough to pay for a free fan creation.
that's literally the point you retarded idiot
they are exploiting their fans to create something for them when they can clearly afford to pay them

stop giving this retard (you)s

>>56922490
See >>56922485
Once again all you show is your inability to engage fairly with the situation.

BAU BAU

>>56922493
bau based

>>56921608
Over 99% of the audience isn't there for a fucking jingle

>>56922496
>>56922509
Thanks for the extra (You)s up to 82 now

>>56920079
I agree. Justice for kay yu holocure should cost money.

>>56922188
You're stupid and your argument makes no sense, Anon. You aren't worth engaging with beyond mockery.

>>56922485
4chan gets money from people visiting the website because of posts like mine. If everyone stopped posting, no one would visit this place and they would earn no money. If they gave 100% of their income to Cover and kept nothing would your argument magically change?
So in the end it's just jealousy then.

>>56920079
It's time to stop posting, Josh

>>56922527
engage fairly with my dick in your ass you pathetic nigger, bau bau

>>56922551
They are using it to fucking make money
What the fuck is wrong with compensating the person with a few grand
Jesus christ anon they make like 1k every stream from supas alone

>>56922578
I don't work for 4chan. Have you lost your mind?

>>56922578
>4chan gets money
It doesn't
4chan relies on the pass to survive without going in the red

>>56922138
Cover would have to be fucking retarded to design this process in a way were they're paying 6 months to entertainers before they actually have a single show
not to mention your premise was that they're rich, retard, their salary is probably close if not outright the legal minimum allowed for someone who's main wage is a percentage of their earnings

>>56922667
By that analogy vtubers make no money off their streams. They rely on donations to survive without going in the red

>>56922602
>a few grand
>for a 10s jingle
retarded and bait

>>56922496
if im being totally honest im drunk enough that this is bringing me some semblance of happiness now that the dog girls are asleep bau bau

>>56922507
>that's literally the point you retarded idiot
Kek. Commissioning something for money when you could source it from your fanbase for free is idiotic.
>they are exploiting their fans to create something for them
Yes and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

>>56922602
Stop sniffing your farts and go get a real job you hack

>>56920079

>>56922703
>By that analogy vtubers make no money off their streams.
I don't think you even understand what an analogy is

>>56922628
Does it matter? I can't believe you're okay with somebody else benefiting off my hard work without payment just because you're not involved. Despicable.

I find it a bit funny that this dude genuinely believes he's taking the high road by dying on this hill. Not even saying the one in this thread isn't a larper, but on Twitter he responded saying he doesn't care about getting blacklisted because he'd prefer working with groups that would agree with him instead, which is incredibly ironic.

>>56922759
>someone is going to use your work to make potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars during their career
>that doesn't mean you should expect compensation
Do you see how retarded you look

So many nijiniggers, phasecucks and corpokeks seething on this thread because Hololive is getting quality fanmade content that can be monetized for free whereas their favorite brand and corpo has to pay for it

>>56922732
It's literally a crime.

>>56922695
>not to mention your premise was that they're rich
Correct
Do your reps they come from an extremely privileged background

>>56922806
insanley ironic, because the people he "wants to work with" have no fucking money to pay him, unless he wants to exclusivley produce music for furry porn games and 30 second art commissions, something that will, if he is lucky earn him a couple hundred dollars a month. i hope this stupid faggot is forced to work at mcdonalds for the rest of his life

I wonder if Ms. Red Heart announced the fan submission for her stream on her previous stream or on Twitter.

>>56922732
at least you admit they are just exploiting sad lonely man not only for money but now also free labor

>>56920496
It’s obviously volunteer work. The winner almost certainly will directly benefit with new followers and commission requests. This is a mutually beneficial and this guy is being a fucking jew. Literally just don’t submit anything to the contest, how hard is that?

>>56922794
No idea how you think this makes your case but sure. Users who create recurring marketing material for 4chan should be compensated.

>>56922870
>It's literally a crime.
No it isn't. You know Anon, if you pretend to be retarded for long enough then at some point you actually become retarded.

>>56922945
How about LITERALLY PAY THE PERSON WHOSE WORK YOU WILL BE USING TO MAKE MONEY.
Jesus christ anon take your tongue out of the boot for a second and think

Thank you anons for providing me the content I desire. I have paid a grand total of $0 in this exchange.

It's this easy to get 300 replies nowadays?

>no credit
>no money
>will be used for making money in the future
>will soon be the company's property soo and you are not the one who holds the copyright
> You can't use it on YouTube because the copyright

>>56922945
It also goes the other way. Cover doesn't lift a finger to stop people profiting off fanwork they create of hololive vtubers without taking a single cut.

>>56922881
yeah anon I'm sure with all the shit-tier work they've done over the years to finance their lives and failed endeavors, they must have complete access to a vast family fortune

It's not illegal for someone to voluntarily transfer all his right to a work without any monetary compensation. Why is he seething so much, it isn't his work anyway

>>56923029
FREE entertainment is free. You don't need to pay.

>>56922816
It isn't retarded because I don't follow your bullshit premise to begin with. NO ONE IS PAYING THEM BECAUSE OF A FUCKING JINGLE

>>56922936
>at least you admit they are just exploiting sad lonely man not only for money but now also free labor
Yes. It's called being smart. And there's nothing wrong with it when the sad lonely men are happy to be exploited. It's fully consensual exploitation.

>>56923012
NOOOO! I need to pay a heckin' union to fire me so I can get a better deal out of this exchange!

>>56923029
OP here I can't believe it either. I should have to pay for this much free entertainment LMAO

>>56923012
your welcome anon, i do it for free

>>56923003
You're literally a fucking twitter Karen getting upset on someone else's behalf.
Everyone participating on this is agreeing that they're not getting paid. They're just making 10 second jingles for fun. If they had an issue, they wouldn't participate.

>>56923047
dumbass the only reason they manage to do nothing but "fake work" so far was because they were being provided for by their family

>>56922962
I rest my case.

>>56923128
…you have not done a single rep have you

>>56923003
>How about LITERALLY PAY THE PERSON WHOSE WORK YOU WILL BE USING TO MAKE MONEY.
The person whose work you will be using doesn't want to make money from it.

>>56923108
I will repeat
PAY THE PERSON WHOSE WORK YOU WILL BE USING TO MAKE MONEY.
It is that simple
They have the means

>>56923012
COMPENSATE ME FOR MY SHITPOSTS YOU FUCKING MONSTER

>>56923152
It's clear you haven't. Probably still think that fake sob story from them is true.

>>56923049
He doesn't actually care. He's just doing it for attention.

>>56922442
no I’m referring to Joshua as an outsider (i.e. not a ruffian)

>>56921298
Like your head getting crushed by a mallet, yeah

>>56923169
>PAY THE PERSON WHOSE WORK YOU WILL BE USING TO MAKE MONEY.
No. Why are you having a hard time understanding this?

>>56923169
Are you paying every vtuber you watch?

>>56923169
kill yourself commie nigger bau bauuuuuu~!

>>56923289
Yes I am.
I either have memberships or send supas if their memberships aren't open
You aren't paying vtubers you watch? Do you even watch them or just clips?

>>56923029
I’m charging Hiromoot for the eyeballs my replies have contributed
There must be a handful of phoneposters here with no adblock generating revenue for 4 channel dot org

>>56923169
>Hey would you like to enter this competition to produce something for us?
>>No.
>Okay, no worries then.

Lmao, what are you upset about exactly?

>>56923340
So you send money before you even watched the channel?
Do you have a 4chan subscription?

>>56922435
If someone created a jingle without that contest I would agree with you like when they use fanart for thumbnails, but since they are doing a contest they should compensate the winner at least a little bit. What's so bad about having a prize for a contest?

>>56923340
Fuck no, I'm not paying all of them and they don't ask me to. I watch entertainers, not communists.

>>56923030
>You know all of this upfront and do it anyway just for the personal satisfaction of having your work displayed

>>56923029
I should be paid by hiromoot for contributing to it. I shall go on strike until I receive a message addressed to my current IP with a form requesting my bitcoin wallet address for him to transfer adequate compensation to.

>>56923381
>So you send money before you even watched the channel?
nice moving of goalposts
>Do you have a 4chan subscription?
yes

I'd like to thank everyone on participating with us on shitpost Friday. Thank you for your submissions.

>>56923169
How does it make them money? They've done just fine without it so far, they could cancel the whole jingle thing and be no worse off. Unlike an intro or outro BGM it's completely irrelevant

>>56920387
Why did mori follow him in the first place dude looks like a fag

>>56923432
He made something for her

>>56923414
I'm not the same anon. Okay, go ahead and show me your 4chan email, blur out the code.

>>56923457
gaben@valvesoftware.com

>>56923457
>just doxx yourself
No.

>>56923504
>a wall of text with no identifying information is doxxing

So, you don't actually pay for 4chan. Got it. Hypocritical faggot.

>>56923493
Hi Gaben please release heavy update thank you

>>56923392
>since they are doing a contest they should compensate the winner at least a little bit.
But there's no reason to. The contest is for people who want to produce a jingle for free.
>What's so bad about having a prize for a contest?
Having no profit motive means every submission is a labor of love and not something cynical created for a quick buck.

>>56923415
I am getting paid for this valuable contribution to society right?

>>56923455
i will now proceed to make something for Mori. and then i will have threads here for no reason.

>>56923546
You can cry and piss yourself all you want I'm not doxxing myself to win an argument
Specially an argument that is you moving the goalpost after losing the first one

>>56923602
Wow, whatever you posted, that doesn't look like an email for a 4chan pass so I'm not going to read it.

Hypocritical faggot.

>>56923414
>subscribing to 4chan
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT AND LAUGH

can you fags stop giving this faggot attention?

>>56923573
I shudder to think of how big the shitstorm would have been if nhato had gotten a grand or two on top of taking first place away from a bunch of amateurs who poured dozens of hours into their mixes

>>56921142
Sometimes people just do shit out of love or simply because they can't not do it, you would know if you had anything to do with creative process.

>>56923649
Give ME attention instead. ive been having a hard time lately being an artist and not being a complete sellout.

>>56923694
I don't know sounds like someone who is directly involved with creating things, and that has created music for mori in the past, disagrees with you
I will go with him until you show your credentials

>>56921381
>if the person has means

Therefore if the person doesn't have means, your labour must be provided for no compensation. So, just moral slavery.

>>56920079
How much doxxing and how many death threats did he receive from passionate hololive fans?
Such a wonderful and wholesome community.

>>56923744
I do believe that yes those without any means should receive at the very least the necessary to live a comfortable life.
And so does every single 1st world country so I think I'm right

>>56923764
He's an attention leech. He should have his house bombed.

>>56921918
Asian moot won't pay you for anything but if you can get into the SEA clipper discord servers there might be some giftcards in it for you.

>>56923649
130 (You)s so far LMAO

>>56923786
>I think people should be slaves until my arbitrary moral standards are met

>>56923573
I hope you are here to post the same shit next time Niji pulls this off.

>>56923830
twist as much as you want but yes I do believe in the welfare state of every modern 1st world country

>>56923879
>I think people should be slaves until my arbitrary moral standards are met

>>56923894
let me guess you're a lolbertarian?

>>56923003
>Do volunteer work voluntarily of your own will
>REEEE WHY DON'T I GET PAID
You're fucking retarded. Nobody is forcing you to submit anything. If you don't want to do it for free then fucking don't.

>>56923764
>How much doxxing and how many death threats did he receive from passionate hololive fans?
Unfortunately none. I'm sure he was ready make some holier-than-thou speech about it so he's probably very disappointed that it didn't happen kek

>>56923937
>I think people should be slaves until my arbitrary moral standards are met

>>56920079
>artists are forced

Holy shit Joshua is here (again), isn't he? Cope and seethe fag

>>56921608
>>56921645
And people wanna volunteer just to have fun and potentially leave their mark on their favorite chuubas stream.
Anyone who is unable to for any reason to participate will not participate.Simple as.
Believe It or not sometimes content creators do things fun, even the hentai artist i pay $600 p/mo to draw demon oc titties.

>>56923847
>I hope you are here to post the same shit next time Niji pulls this off.
Okay, I will. Because there's nothing wrong with it.

>>56922870
>It's lcherally a crime to ask for stuff

Ah, really?

>>56922533
I like this turn of events

>>56920079
>>56920496
>>56920622
>>56921052
>>56921317
>>56921608
>>56922602

It's a fan submission, having money price on it completely destroy the meaning behind it

You I can't help but feel like a lot of people here are just pretending to agree with him

this guy unironically goes to sonic the hedgehog cons that do the exact same thing

Should Hiro pay me to post on this website since I'm technically producing the content?

>>56922533
Thank you for your free volunteer contribution, im happy we could enjoy something together on the internet.

The red cross should pay me to donate blood. Well, can you really put a price on a life? But I'm reasonable, 50 dollars per pint is fine since they charge 130 to 150 dollars. See, I'm reasonable, 60% profit margin.

Do you realize how much shit would cost if they have to pay for every fan content? Holomember are not as rich and wealthy as you thought they are, some of they have to wait for quite some time just to be able to afford a decent PC for streaming, some even have to make do occasionally when their income were a bit low. Consider how many project they do and how much content would be needed for that, they can't pay for everything and still have surplus money, especially for EN as people like to overcharge them for it just like that 200k just for a song in Gura's case

>>56920622
fuwamoco didn't ask YOU specifically to do their jingle, they ask them who are WILLING to do it FREELY on their FREE TIME.
you need your ego checked. not all artist/musician need some gratification in form of money.
don't you know HoloCure, sister?

>>56924355
Yes, in fact whomever wrote your OS should pay you because they generate value from you using their operational system.
Youtube should pay you for writing requests to their servers, that's labor you should be compensated for that.
Whomever made your toilet should pay you whenever you use it, after all taking a shit is also labor and the company only exists through your shits

Cooking is an art and chefs are professionals. Do you pay your mother for the labour of cooking you whatever the shitty Finnish equivalent of Chicken Tenders is? Or are you able to acknowledge that sometimes people do creative labour out of love or affection for the recipient?

>>56923742
You have no voice of your own, you are a waste

>>56921608
>I do not understand how idol culture works
That's okay anon, let me explain since you clearly have never felt anything for anyone before and cannot conceptualise an exchange that isn't monetary. I am a fan of a vtuber. I like this vtuber. I want to see them succeed. I want them to be more successful. I also want to feel part of their success. So therefore I contribute to their success in ways which I feel I am most suited to that contribution. Other people contribute in other ways. There are many ways people can contribute, for example:
>Subscription/Membership
>Direct donations/Superchats
>Clipping/Video editing
>Interacting in chat
>Creating/Comissioning fan art
>Fan webpages
>Making threads on obscure Somalian Deep Sea Mining forums to discuss them
>Volunteering to be a moderator

One thing that is also included is interacting with fan submissions and contests. I do not mind if I am not monetarily compensated for this because I feel I am being compensated by a sense of accomplishment and pride that they liked my work so much that it was selected.

>>56923742
https://vocaroo.com/1trFiUcvdWAd

>>56923742
>mori
>music
pick one

>>56924562
PAY THEM YOU DUMB BITCH

It wouldn't cost them that much but this is hardly exploitative. An EN member not to long ago commissioned some art from a friend through Jenma and it wasn't much for a lot more work than a 10 sec catchy tune. I don't think what the doggos are doing to be bad/unethical. It's obviously a way to to get viewer participation. As long as they credit the original maker in every stream in the description nobody who's sane thinks they're being stingy.

>>56924563
The CEO of the internet should also pay me because my connection to the internet generates value for all other people connected to the internet.

>>56920079
The dumbest part of this is that Fuwamoco have already paid various artists for a bunch of stuff including all their overlays and everything else they use during their streams. So this retard is just a fucking dumbass.
This is just them wanting to involve their fans in their streams. It's not predatory at all considering their entire existence is them interacting with their fans. And besides, it's just a small jingle to introduce a segment. It's not like they're asking for fans to make fully produced music videos.

>>56924678
I downloaded and I'm submitting that

Nijisanji has done this so many times and get away free. Why does it cause so much seethe when it's Hololive who do it?

>>56924691
That's also what every single holomen seems to do for each part of their layout already, I know because I often want to find the artist of a thumbnail and there's anywhere between 10 to 30 links in each youtube video and you need to search for the one that says サムネ

>>56924736
unless, anon already submitted it lmao

I think that vtubers should pay me per character that I send in chat. Afterall, it is my original work and labour that they are exploiting and earning money off of.

If I want to do work for free that's my fucking business. Stop demanding pay on my behalf.

>>56924678

>>56920079

you newfaggots just won't stop feeding the catalog bait

>>56924883
The quicker we feed it, the faster it dies.

>>56920079
Doing stuff for free is one of the easiest ways to actually get noticed early on as an artist.

>>56924780
Nijiniggers unironically believe it's fine when Nijisanji do it

>>56924344
Of course they are. If Joshua hadn't posted what he did no one would be posting any of the shit they're posting now because it's not the first time Holos do things like this. They're just latching on to what that retard said for shitposting.

>>56924939
To be fair, 2%.

>>56920079
No one force people to do it. If you simp and want their attention, do it

>>56924825
It's actually not. That's why there is a minimum wage.

>>56923574
Can i pay in (you) because you made a reply that was genuinely funny and i actually burst out laughing?

>>56924939
Literally SUCCESS BREED JEALOUSY

>>56920079
Just a few sec of music to get holo connection for future work? Sound like a good deal for new musician who want to get fame

>>56924997
Minimum wage is not something that is forced on you, it's forced on your employer. but there's nothing stopping you from saying "No I will do this for free" and not recieve monetary compensation. Isn't the freedom of choice wonderful?

>>56924563
Is this really a good point in your low iq brain?

>>56925053
>there's nothing stopping you from saying "No I will do this for free"
There literally is.
Companies cannot accept free labor outside of internships and those have a very specific time limit
Is this board filled with kids that never had a job in their lives or something?

>>56925100
>burger thinks the rules of his country apply to every other place in the world

>>56925054
The point is argument is shit, I don't believe that every single point of labor is neccesarily in need of compensation. If you're an artist that has been hired specifically for a job then yes you should be compensated.
But when someone literally asks "Hey. we're putting a box here where you can drop in an item x we might use on stream if you want" Then it's your own choice wether you want to do it or not. Throwing a shit fit about it as if you're being ripped off when you are freely able to to say "No I don't think I will" is idiotic.
Why is it whenever hardcore socialists argue they can't actually understand nuanced situations

Free fanmade content is what make Hololive what it is today. It's exactly because there is no money in question that people can fully express themselves without other motivation. It also allow Hololive to persevere till today, it's all thanks to fans supports. Suddenly it's now bad because Hololive got bigger?

>>56925165
Of course it's a pajeet white knighting.

>>56920622
Cringe

>>56925165
I believe every civilized country has rules against this.
It even has a name for it: Slave labor

I think giving the winner a little line in the description with maybe a link to their twitter would be nice.

This is like when pewds did PewDiePie submissions on his reddit

>>56921317
First off, where does this idea come from that they are rich? They are two women in their 30s who live together, most likely to share rent. They probably, for a few years, live paycheck to paycheck. (They still are YouTubers who have less than one million subscribers.)

Secondly, why the flying fuckmonkey is music a protected class while taking photos of dogs, expeditions in nature, and the study of cryptids is not?
Why is it not mandatory that each time they want a 'Dog of the Day,' they find a professional dog breeder who is also a professional photographer and 'PAY' them to take a photo of a DOG?
'Walk of the Day' find a 'PROfessional Speed Walker and pay 'them' to fuck off.

‘Find the demon pixel’ (Peru sighting ) find a ‘Professional’ cryptid expert and pay them to go to the Amazon and use Photoshop.
I like the fact that a ‘morning show since day one has had a ‘community-driven’ ‘content creation,’ but because lobotomized retards like Joshua Taipale want to LARP as Amadeus Mozart. MUSIC, THE FOOD OF LOVE. YOU ‘Fake Demon Dogs’ Can't

>>56925100
>There literally is.
No there isn't. Volunteer work is a thing that exists, you low IQ monkey.

>The only thing this faggot has done is bring more attention to it and thus guarantee more submissions from people out of spite for such a hateful faggot

Lmao, retard.

>>56925185
not even close, you capitalist pig

>>56925169
I'm not a socialist nor creating jingles. This is for profit content. If they like the jingle so much they use it to promote their channel they should pay a reward.
How does this opinion get you so emotional that you throw every buzzword in your head at the wall?

>>56925100
what the fuck are you on about
i can go behind the alley and suck a dudes dick for free, you cant tell anybody to pay me for it

“For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.”
-Matthew 25:29

>>56925178
It's just greedy shitters throwing a tantrum because they're angry that it couldn't be -their- paycheck. It's like people writing about how racism is bad and then turn that into a deluge towards a person because they said "nigga" once while reciting song lyrics 20 years ago. It's a complete misunderstanding of the issue and self-misdirected ire. The same shit when republicans vote for people like Trump who uses scapegoats to blame the US' internal issues instead of the institutions and systems that create them in the first place.

>>56925238
>Volunteer work is a thing that exists
And it has very specific rules chief among which it has not be NON PROFIT
You can't have volunteers working for you to help you make money

>>56920079
>t. twitternigger

>>56922188
that's why I pirate everything

>>56925267
>If they like the jingle so much they use it to promote their channel they should pay a reward.
No they shouldn't.

>>56925267
>If they like the jingle so much they use it to promote their channel they should pay a reward.
Nta but why? Should they also pay people for the superchats they send since they do a superchat reading at the end of every stream which earns them even more money? Your logic is so fucking capitalist it's unironically funny.

>>56925267
or dont make the fking jingle if you dont want it used for free

dumbass

>>56925238
No not at all. If he contributes to the succes of fwmc morning with his music he with absolute certainty would have a legal claim to a portion of the earnings.
Unless cover has him sign his rights away which is what people complain about.

>>56920079

>>56925238
>Volunteer work
>for a company making money of said work
Underage or just retarded?

>>56925334
>If he contributes to the succes of fwmc morning with his music he with absolute certainty would have a legal claim to a portion of the earnings
No he wouldn't you stupid fuck lmao

>>56925323
>Nta but why?
Because it is content they use to make more money. The superchat comparison is idiotic.

>>56925334
>If he contributes to the succes of fwmc morning with his music he with absolute certainty would have a legal claim to a portion of the earnings.
No they don't because any reasonable person entering a voluntary contest with no reward or compensation stated explicitly or implicitly has absolutley no case. How many brain worms do you have?

>>56925334
Does this also apply for thumbnail images taken from twitter without pay?

>>56925365
>Volunteer work
>for a company making money of said work
Yes.
>Underage or just retarded?
I'm guessing you're both.

>>56925308
Interesting opinion honey. Now to the part where you have an emotional breakdown for hours on end over others having a different opinion.

>>56922602
>with a few grand
you aren't supposely to be in strike right now?

>>56925357
>Got paid by Mori for her transformation jingle
>"I'd rather work with creators who feel the same way."
Ok so he's retarded, great.

>>56925357
Man he's really choosing such an insignificant hill to die on

>>56925373
>The superchat comparison is idiotic.
Why? It's literally the exact same situation.

>Content provided at the cost of the viewer for free and monetised by the vtuber
The jingle and a superchat are the exact same within this criteria. Please explain how they are not.

>>56925371
>>56925377
Please calm down. Drink some water.

>>56925395
No anon
You cannot have volunteers if you're final goal is profit.
It is literally illegal and considered slave labor.

>>56921608
>THEY ARE GOING TO USE IT TO MAKE MONEY
yes, I'm gonna be a day 1 member

>>56925430
>please stop pointing out that im an idiot
no thanks, you're an idiot

>>56925434
Volunteering is not and can never be slave labor

>>56925381
I would assume it's different when they use the jingle regularly. If someone made THE artwork they use in promo material regularly I think it would apply.

>>56925434
So you're saying volunteering is slave labor?

>>56920622
well yeah, they will get paid in exposure

>>56925357
fucking attention whore

100 IP's, nice

>>56925434
>You cannot have volunteers if you're final goal is profit
wtf is this based on? you americans are actually retarded

>>56925421
>Why? It's literally the exact same situation.
No it's not. They engage with superchats. Not one superchat all the time. And it's not a jingle it's a comment someone paid to have read.

>>56920079
Why is he so mad when you can do a 10 second jingle with just 3-4 notes?

>>56925501
He's desperate for attention.

>>56925450
Well there's a reason you have to use insults instead of arguments which is what I tried to point out but I guess that's all you can do. Insult away I can take it.

>>56925460
technically correct since if it's being done for profit is no longer volunteering
>>56925476
No, because volunteering is only volunteering if the final goal isn't profit.
>>56925492
Almost every single CIVILIZED country on earth forbids people from exploiting others under the guise of volunteering when their final goal is profit.
Sad that your shithole doesn't but oh well at least you can maybe move someday

>>56923029
Imagine being OP, getting all of these (you) and none of it can be exchange for shit

>>56925398
>no argument
Fuwamoco and I accept your surrender

>>56925500
> They engage with superchats.
So? Where's the comepensation?
>Not one superchat all the time.
Why does this matter? Please explain. Would it be different if they used a different jingle from a different person without compensation each time? Why is that different?
>And it's not a jingle it's a comment someone paid to have read.
And? Please explain the difference. Just saying, "oh they're different" is not an actual explanation as to why they are different.

>>56925550
>he doesn't know he can exchange (You)s for prizes
lmaoing @ lyfe

>>56925531
>you see becasue you called me an idiot therefore I'm actually very smart and i have won

lmao okay shit for brains.

>>56925500
So if someone wanted to pay FuwaMoco to have their jingle played on FuwaMoco in the Mornings then it'd be okay?

>>56925567
I gave my arguments in >>56925267
You didn't object to them. What did I surrender? Why are you so desperate?

>>56920079
Why are you guys still feeding this guy content when he already lost when Mori unfollowed him? He lost a lot of big commissions from a big ass corpo because he couldn't understand what was wrong with his thinking.
It's over. Pack it up.

>>56925430
>no argument
Kek. I accept your surrender too.


>>56925434
>You cannot have volunteers if you're final goal is profit.
Yes you can. Who the fuck let you on the internet, monkey?

>>56923003
that exactly a volunteer work is
>Jesus christ anon take your tongue out of the boot
hot
>for a second
no, mococo's soles are MINE

I wouldn't pay a cent for a 10sec jingle even if I'm a billionaire

>>56920079
Stop injecting artists' insecurity about how they make a living into other people's consensual, voluntary, non-coercive, win-win interactions.

Here, I offer this to assuage your fears: the vast majority of people who want quality art done for them don't have thousands of adoring followers who would willingly do it for free, so if you're a professional you'll still find paid jobs.

If it turns out the above is false and most people ARE starting to get similar works for free, you are no longer bringing enough value to your clients to justify the cost and insisting on your previous payment is simply harming society.

Your enemy isn't people asking for art from their fans, it is the capitalism that necessitates clawing resources from others in order to not suffer despite technology providing increasingly efficient abundance around us.

Go advocate for universal basic income instead of talking shit about our fluffy fuzzy puppies.

>>56925546
every company/organization's goal is profit or some other hidden agenda that benefits them

you are delusional

>>56925580
>So? Where's the comepensation?
It doesn't deserve compensation.
The jingle is content creted with the purpose of making money by promoting the channel. The superchat is a comment by the audience.
They aren't even in the same category.

>>56925546
>No, because volunteering is only volunteering if the final goal isn't profit.
Incorrect.
>Almost every single CIVILIZED country on earth forbids people from exploiting others under the guise of volunteering when their final goal is profit.
Incorrect.

OP here
Thread is reached bump limit.
I would like to thank you all for the free entertainment for the past 2hrs
And the 192 (You)s too

>>56925636
>I gave my arguments
Yeah, and they're wrong.
>What did I surrender?
This argument and your dignity.

>people sending thousands of moneys to streamers for nothing in particular
>all fine, nothing to see here
>people sending some quick doodles that might or might not be used by streamers for moneys
>ohmygod artists are oppressed

>>56925706
>It doesn't deserve compensation.
Why? It involves labour (people have to work to earn money to do a superchat) and it provides content for the vtuber. There's literally nothing about this that is any different.
>The jingle is content creted with the purpose of making money by promoting the channel
So...? Superchats are created with the purpose of making money for the channel and provided content for the vtuber. Same scenario.
>The superchat is a comment by the audience.
Read above.
>They aren't even in the same category.
You just keep repeating the same point over and over, "oh they're different". You haven't actually given a tangible difference in why they are different.

>>56923169
being the receiver of a heartfull thanks for both of them in stream is more than enough

>inb4 muh
I can sustain myself with their smiles

legal case aside
lets go back to the actual definition of volunteering for the retards

>>56925735
Okay I don't know what emotional dependency you have to declare yourself the winner of an internet argument but for the sake of your mental health do that. Everyone can still read the thread and decide for themselves.

>>56925728
Any final words before it's departure OP? Something to enlighten us before it goes?

>>56925638
reading retard seethe over fan event is free entertainment

>>56925785
>people have to work to earn money to do a superchat
You suck at trolling I'm done here.

>>56925638
>Mori unfollowed him
She did? KEKKKKK. Oh shit I missed that detail. Imagine getting so assmad that two cartoon dogs are holding a fan contest that you immolate your own career

>>56925357
>durr I am now a Hololive anti because the BauBaus aren't letting me scam them for a 10 second jingle.

>>56925829
Yes
BAU BAU and fuck this faggot from twitter lmao

>>56923030
>will soon be the company's property soo and you are not the one who holds the copyright
jew, even if you receive any kind of money this is a given, you aren't by any means renting it

>>56925851
btfo'd by a simple statement of reality or do you think that artists are inherently more valuable than anybody else?

>>56925872
>She did?
Yep. For all the shit Mori gets she has zero tolerance for that kind of shit talking.

>>56925728
Prove you're OP

>>56925820
>Everyone can still read the thread and decide for themselves.
Yeah they see you making invalid arguments and decide you're retarded lmao

>>56925929
Fuck, I love Calli now.

>>56925872
Of course she did. Mori does not tolerate stuff like this at all.

>>56920079
>coming to /vt/ to cry about your retarded take on twitter
You can keep crying day and night Joshua, but you will never be a woman, you will never be a good artist and you will never be relevant, you whiny little faggot

>>56921052
Yes, but there is no alternative to capitalism. The genie is out of the bottle and neither king nor all his horses are putting him back inside.

>>56921298
No, capitalism was invented in the 18th century as a novel economic model. It has simply been the most successful one.

>>56925323
Honestly it just comes across as poor people wanting to eat the rich rather than capitalism. His whole argument is that Holos are rich and should be farmed for cash by jingle makers.

>>56925434
>You cannot have volunteers if you're final goal is profit.
>It is literally illegal and considered slave labor.
that's called get laboral experience and despise working for free in exchange you aren't held (almost any) countability for any fuck up you maybe do in the mean time

>>56920622
They aren't asking artists for this, you tart. Anyone with a melody stuck in their heads could submit. Unless there's a part of the announcement that states "if you're not a literal musician, then GTFO."

My question to you is this: are professional artists (the ones you actually need to pay) the only ones that can participate in artistic expression? Is art just a product and commodity to you that exist purely out of material benefit? Do we really have to moralize to those who make art for the sake of it and instead reduce creativity as a series of patents and IPs to be guarded upon like a hawk?

Oh yeah, and as far as I know, Hololive can only really benefit from this by maybe copyrighting it. And even then, as I said earlier, a fucken pre-schooler can make a 10-second jingle. This is just something to get fans involved.

What the pan-fried fresh fuck is the problem here, Guvnah?

There are too many entitled seething artists and composers here

>>56920622
>Artists deserve to get paid
In my times any artist that work their salt had to get an sponsor for the most ambitious pieces but almost all of them worked in red most of the times

>>56926278
>too many
is the same shithead being a lolcow

>>56925728

>>56926278
It just 1 josh.

>>56926344
except the lolcows here are these idiots replying to bait
see
>>56922496
>>56925728

>>56925929
>>56925986
I'm more surprised that she even saw it honestly. Though if he wasn't being such a retard she might have actually sided with his take

>>56926431
I think someone @'ed her and asked for her thoughts. That's probably how she found out.

>>56922578
>4chan makes money
The only source of revenue it has is the subscription and the cheap ass ads anyone can buy, infact by creating such low quality post's you are wasting their resources.

>>56920622
its called free will, if they made a jingle for free then it was their choice. how is that hard to understand

>>56926176
>Is art just a product and commodity to you that exist purely out of material benefit?
To Twitter artists it is. There's a reason Twitter artists are considered some of the most entitled assholes on the platform. It's all about money money money money money to them. One could argue that they don't even like art considering they're only concerned and obsessed with monetary gain.
The ones sending FWMC jingles out of passion and for fun are the real artists.

>Hololive making everyone else seethe because they can't pay with exposure

>>56923546
He is scared of the great hacker 4chan that can identify anyone by looking at words you don't get it.

>>56923003
>ask for free stuff
>get free stuff

why should they be the one to blame? blame the artists that will be doing it for free

>>56926431
Multiple people @ed her and holo official accounts probably everyone saw.

>>56925357
is this pride? what do you call this attitude..

>>56923636
not him, but i fucking hate the captchas and it's pretty cheap.
i prefer to give a couple bucks to hiromoot than to be a slave for google.

>>56925357
Based also don't bring niji into this shit holofags, Mori is your whore

>>56926506
>>56926655
Ah of course. Twitter being twitter despite the name change. They can't help stirring the pot even more than anons /here/

Artists on the internet are all unsufferable, so glad that AI is fucking them over.

This is the faggot who did the mori magical girl thing? Billed the weaper for a "few grand"?

>>56926656
Obstinance

He would be surprised just how many people would be willing to do his job for Hololive for free

Working with Hololive would be a huge honor, and you are asking for money?

>>56925891
i'm a composer and sound designer and i would just like to say BAU BAU my nigga, here is to the future(???) tourism ambassadors

>>56926845
the mere fact that he isn't a household name when it comes to composers (come on, all these years as a professional and you're still a literally who compared to people like Jeremy Soule or Frank Klepacki? how long are you gonna do this till you realize you haven't made it) and he still doesn't have a clue

>>56920079
Heh heh get fucked

>>56923169
why are you retarded?

>>56925267
How is it for profit? Are people going to send them superchats because they're using a fan submitted jingle? Are they going to send superchats for the jingle specifically? The answer to both these questions is no, which means it's not for profit. It's just a jingle they're going to use for FWMC Morning. That's it. Stop being retarded.

>>56920079
This is kind of a pathetic thing for antis to latch onto.