/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56852751
>something NOBODY else in the history of this corp has ever quit over
Another faggot who only started watching with EN

>>56852751
Homos are just bad business because their existence is causing people to leave Hololive

>>56852823
Nobody cares about Suzaku or whatever that fag was named

>>56852751
I also find it strange. Aren't Americans supposed to be corporate slaves that bend over for the privilege of being able to work?

>>56852997
We're rebels at heart, as much as the man tries to keep us down.

>>56852751
>can't get into discord server with girls
>chinks out and leaves

>>56852997
Magni is asian and Vesper is a special breed of subhuman that transcends all culture.

>>56852997
>euro once again misses the main details
You see anon everyone else is supposed to be a corporate slave that bends over to benefit me, meanwhile I am allowed to act in my own interest.

>>56852997
I just think it's funny that on the EN side with both girls and boys they complain about the workload while on the JP side both men and women are professional with thrice the amount of work of their EN counterparts and yet they don't complain.

>>56853409
Meanwhile a bunch of the ID's do insane work loads and joke about it.

>>56852751
Vesper probably couldn't take the stress of being a corpo vtuber, guy has problems

>>56852997
He already did that for 10-15 years, he's in the rebellious phase.

>>56853541
Crazy what happens when you hire people who like their jobs

>>56852751
>[...] trivial contract issues such as "me not getting paid enough for my liking despite the fact that I'm a 3view" [...]
>[...] provide Hololive with content just for the sake of doing it because it's fulfulling [...]
Have you ever worked even a day in your life?

>>56852751
This behaviour is what truly hating your fans looks like, by the way.

>Well guys it seems the whole casual mixed collab thing isn't really working out so we're going to chill out a bit with them ok?
>*Magni and Vesper have left the server*

>>56852751
anon have you stopped and thought that maybe they just didn't think about all the corporate rules and restrictions management had prepared for them

>>56852751
>making up scenarios and getting mad at them
let me guess, republican?

>>56855428
The rules and restrictions that can be entirely circumvented by just running an alter ego?

>>56855507
>unironic tranny

>>56852751
It was absolutely a termination

>>56855507
Jesus christ, put the phone down.

>>56855581
Anon that the demographic of homo, trannies, fujo and fags.

>>56855846
I agree but holy esl. Speak English.

>>56852997
No, Americans promote a culture of freelancing and entrepreneurship. If things are bad, the right thing to do is to quit and find a better job because that's what freedom means to Americans. This is a double edge sword because although you are free to quit for whatever reason, employers are also free to fire you for whatever reason. Americans value freedom over stability. Japanese, on the other hand, promote a culture of loyalty and bureaucracy, so they tend to never quit or even fire their bad employees. You're expected to get a job after college and work that job until you're too old and retire. If you start underperforming, you'll get demoted and put to the corner to do nothing but never fired. That's why there are plenty of Holos who don't really bring any value to the company but will never graduate. That's just how the Japanese work culture goes.

>>56852751
To be fair, they got a shit treatment from the start
>2Dlive model that make devianart fanart look good in comparative.
>Treated like 3rd class humans, were they couldn't interact with females or people outside their company
>Little to zero support from the company, any error was your fault, any benefit was for the company
>HATED to the core by the hololive fanbase to the point they harass you everyday without stop
>Your female coworkers treat you like the plague and some are outspoken about it and feel proud about treating you like shit
>Any project or idea that you have, has to be revisioned by the Japan headquarters, which take weeks and even months
>You have to work in japanese hours, because your manager refuse to work at american hours
>Can't speak japanese so management have clear bias with the streamers
>Complain and you get not paid vacations (suspension)
>Lower cut that Hololive girls in their contracts

>>56853409
You say that but JP Stars has had it's quitters too

Yakushiji Suzaku (6 months)
Sep 7 2019 - March 6 2020

Tsukishita Kaoru (3 months)
April 29 2020 - July 28 2020

Kagami Kira also graduated due to health reasons, and must not have burnt his bridge on the way out as he's still on the alumni page of the website along with Coco and Sana.

>>56852751
>think about men
no

>>56852751
Kek they are just grifters who wanted attention

I bet vesper thought he had the upper hand in negotiations because of the new redesign they spent money on

>>56852751
cool fanfic

>>56852751
Tempiss was a fucking mistake and at this point I don't know how anyone can deny it.
You'd never think that in a company filled with mentally ill women the grown ass dudes would be the ones causing nonstop problems and acting like spoiled divas.
Beggars absolutely btfo.

>>56856320
>2Dlive model that make devianart fanart look good in comparative.
The models were fine. I don't understand why people talk about them like they were hideous. Anyway a model doesn't really matter in the long run if you have a good personality. Look at Gura and her romboid face with lazy eyes.
>Treated like 3rd class humans, were they couldn't interact with females or people outside their company
They both had the most mixed collabs in the company. Plus even it if were true nobody stopped them from hanging out with girls outside working hours. Magni still hung around with his Twitch ethots all the time.
>Little to zero support from the company, any error was your fault, any benefit was for the company
They both had redesigns. Vesper had a major rework.
>HATED to the core by the hololive fanbase to the point they harass you everyday without stop
Hated because of their actions. Nobody hates Shinri or Astel.
>Your female coworkers treat you like the plague and some are outspoken about it and feel proud about treating you like shit
They both had several girl friends in the corpo. The latter part of your sentence is total made up schizo shit.
>Any project or idea that you have, has to be revisioned by the Japan headquarters, which take weeks and even months
When you join a JP company you shouldn't be surprised that they work like a JP company. Plus, again, nobody stopped them from soing projects outside Holo.
>You have to work in japanese hours, because your manager refuse to work at american hours
Not true according to all the other Tempus having no problems with management.
>Can't speak japanese so management have clear bias with the streamers
Same as above. The majority of EN girls don't speak JP either.
>Complain and you get not paid vacations (suspension)
We don't know they got suspended for that.
>Lower cut that Hololive girls in their contracts
Same bullshit excuse female footballers use when comparing themselves to the male league lmao. If you can't realize why that's bs then you're retarded.

>>56856345
Isn't Kaoru the one who was doing well but cheated on his wife with a fan and got dropped?

>>56856957
That is western males for you.

>>56857219
>lick the corpo bot

>>56852997
We've been talking about "the Great Resignation" for the last couple of years in the States. Corporate loyalty is at an all time low here.

>>56856320
You would have to be a 3rd worlder with a weak currency, a young man with no knowledge outside of this creative space, or an office worker who has had their spirit crushed by corporations, just to want this job. I don't see why any self-respecting man would degrade himself to such an extent for an industry that doesn't appreciate him. If creativity was the only factor then they wouldn't be working for a corpo. It's like watching an unmolded Elvis Presley get abused by his manager until an untimely death on the toilet.

>>56856320
>That shit 2D was such a meme it made vesper and magni popular
>Collab bans lifted early, collabs with Nijisanji even when Kiara has been asking for YEARS to do them with pomu, etc
>See above, they were treated better than the girls at the time
>If they egosearch /here/ then tehyc an fuck themselves, that includes the girls
>So it's ok to collab with men but if you don't want to you're evil, noted.
>Like any stars/Live member?
>They wanted that timeslot because they knew they would be obliberated by the girls anon, is logic 101
>Yet they collabed with JpStars, but stopped because the pussy was trippin', as you zoomers like to call it
>Even Vesper admited he was a fucking asshole and if you want to talk about speculations then should we talk about the fact that someone faked being gura for some factorio perms? the game Vesper was playing non-stop even on twitch?
>Sure buddy, show the contract.
Nice deflection sister, you never watched them, you jsut wanted them for your culture wars and now see what happens? how about you do like /MANS/ and just keep it to yourself?

>>56857325
>Unironically is one of those who says all men should watch women sports because I said so
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>56856320
Saying that it’s a shit treatment is a stretch. Yagoo rolled out the gold carpet for them, the Live2D models were rough but it’s something that can improve over time, they need to show that they’re worth investing in. And it’s not that there weren’t girls that hated them, Kronii/Bae/Mori interacted with them, same with the IDs when they did not have to. Yagoo also did NOT have to support them but he did, they got faster redesigns/Live2D updates than IRyS did, the company went out of their way to help, and they streamed plenty in reasonable hours like PST.
The problem is that Magni and Vesper were way too entitled compared to the other members. This isn’t a black company like WACTOR or NijiEN, Cover tried to help them out only to be bitten in response.

>>56856345
>Suzaku graduates March 6 2020
>Misses out on the massive Covid bump to vtubing and Hololive
How big do you think his 'oof' was?

>>56852751
first time working with american employee?

>>56857325
>people that generate more money earns more money is le bad
Ogey

>>56852751
>not give a single shit about Cover wasting redesigns on their asses just moments ago
This is the reason they're gone and it's because they DID give a shit about it. No other wacky theory makes sense like criminal/nda/termination stuff because cover would likely have to disclose something illegal happened instead of just say graduation. Contract negotiations also don't make sense since they happen way before the anniversary.
>be magni
>hate your model so much
>finally get a 1.5 update
>vesper tells you he's getting an update too
>yippie, cause both of you were made fun of on debut but mostly magni
>magni shows his "1.5" which is more like a 1.1 update
>no rage YET because magni figures it's how vesper will look, a slight update
>vesper shows his 2.0 which is more of a 3.0 update
>magni goes oh hell naw that's discrimination or some shit
>vesper stands in solidarity saying magni was short changed again
>both whine like little bitches saying fix magni or else
>cover goes k bye
When magni revealed his model he got real serious out of nowhere going "I really REALLY had to fight for this guys" and said something to the effect of how cover didn't get what was wrong with his original model, so this model update was likely a huge favor to them.

what's especially funny is that vesper's 2.0 didn't even look that good. i was still getting used to it when he stopped streaming.

>>56852751
I guess in the end...he really did hate us.

Crazy that the most menhera streamers in the west are all men.

>>56860683
Just another thing men are better at then women

>>56852751
>Making ~25k a year after cover and youtube cuts
I'd quit too.

>>56853547
He probably went off on management about being locked out of his account right after he got his new model.

>>56856345
Kaoru was fired for using his Kaoru identity in shady Beyblade tournaments that probably included illegal gambling.

>>56856345
Shion and a few others thought cover would only be around a few months. No one expected it to grow at the time.

>>56852751
It was everything and worse. Instead of just cutting them off they kept it in secret and debuted EN3,

>>56852751
this is proof enogh Holostars was favoured by EN management

No matter what you think about homos. You can't deny HR who hired Sana and those two fags are fucking incompetent. Especially if you try to compare them to whoever did the casting for Myth.

>>56852751
>had to not give a single shit about all their fans that they'll be letting down and breaking the hearts of

Lmao

>>56856345
Suzaku was fucking lazy, Kaoru was basically forced out, and I don't blame Kira he had/has real health issues and wouldn't have graduated if he were in perfect health.
>>56858197
Suzaku does better on his reincarnation/"roommate" channel streaming Amogus than the average Holostar, so I doubt he regrets it at all.

>>56852997
You do know Japan is notorious for having a culture where they have come up with a slang term for those who commit suicide due to overwork right? America isn't the corporate hellhole you think it is by comparison.

>>56852751
It's not termination. They didn't like the new contract and decided to quit.

>>56861573
Contracts just ran out, dude. Why the fuck would they fire them?

>>56861698
Sana quit cause she makes more money from shilling out designs to gacha games. you couldnt have picked the worst ones cause half of these dyke cunts talked about quitting randomly for no fucking reason half the time

>>56852997
lol no.
It's not uncommon for people to go job hunting after 2-3 years looking for a better opportunity.
You can make a lot more money by getting a better offer at another company than begging for a 2% raise

Yanno sue me for pointing this out but the relative lack of interest in what is probably a major announcement shows that this board only shits on male holomems to try and fit in. None of you actually watched them and thus you had no real stake in their graduation. Unicorns are also mostly falseflaggers so that just dilutes the pool even more.

>>56861746
>America isn't the corporate hellhole
it is a different way from japan. what the fuck are you talking about. everyone knows america is a corporate shithole. stop doing a shitty damage control.

>>56861912
Unfortunately there are no other Vtubing companies that are better than Hololive.
NijiEN treats their talents like disposable garbage, I'm pretty convinced that moving from Hololive to Niji would be a downgrade even though Cover is far from perfect.

>>56861476
Is that why Mel streamed like Ayame her entire first year? 2-3 streams a month for 2018

>>56859101
My rrat is that Magni and Vesper's model updates actually have a budget system like the debut, and they have to cover the rest of the expenses. Vesper uses 2.0 because he is a big spender (like he did on an expensive drawing tablet). But when they submit the invoice to Cover, they are given very little funds, which leads them to go on strike and graduate.

>>56861746
Americans are more afraid of suicide than Japanese are. Americans will just seethe in their cubicle until they have a heart attack at age 49.

>>56856345
QRD on Suzaku and Kaoru, they left before I got into Hololive so I know next to nothing about them, know more about Hitomi Chris and Aloe even.

>>56862117
Yes. Aki would stream entirely from her phone for a while and didn't think things would go anywhere. She thought cover was a scam company for a while.
https://youtu.be/1Fnfreb2rx8

>>56861812
they didn't "fire" them did you read anything hololive wrote?

>>56862056
Yeah.
I wasn't commenting on Vepser's and Magni's decision. I was commenting on the American corporate drone comment.

>>56862196
Suzaku was lazy. Budget ass gimped set-up, scuffed as fuck streams, said peace I'm out.
Streams Amog Us now.

Kaoru was amusing and did creative streams, was well-loved up until he jumped the shark and yab'd too hard and they had to let him go.

>>56861223
25k a year for playing video games and bantering doing less then 20 hours of 'work' each week? Sign me the fuck up.

>>56852751
I really can't help but wonder what the terms of the graduation must have been for Vesper, given that unlike Magni he has nothing to go back to. Especially since he just got a new model and he was Tempus's top dog in terms of donations at one point.

>>56852751
I'm very fucking tired of not pretending that Vesper and the Vesties weren't toxic a fuck shitting up everyone else chat. Vepser would encourage anti's to go be shitters and spam other peoples chats and ask for collabs and would put the other boys in a bad spots when they started to do in their chats or ask girls about it using other boys besides Vesper and they have to try to tard wrangle people out of their control.
Glad he's fucking gone and hope maybe those fuckers calm down.

>>56862473
Maybe if you live in a mud hut in SEA

>>56862025
First, everyone half-expected this.
Second, they were actually quite popular for a while on /vt/. Then the girl collabs happened and the schizos started aping out. At that point Magni started doing rm shit and Vesper had his menhera episodes, so people gave up on them.
Overall Kronii ironically did the most damage to Tempus on this board than anyone else.

>>56861746
America has more suicide than Japan, chud, I'm not trying to be the last samurai and they certainly have a problem with that, but is far from what the media makes it seems to be
They're barely in the top 30 in suicide in the world, I don't know why everyone says as if that was the suicide land

>>56857219
>Same as above. The majority of EN girls don't speak JP either.
I think Holostars and Hololive management is separate. Tempus is an extension of Holostars JP management rather than Hololive EN I think.

>>56862315
I miss Erolive

>>56862790
All of Vesper's damage was self inflicted

>>56861476
This includes Subaru. "Gen 2" never thought this gig would las 1 year. Fore AKI i just can't like her when she openly talkas about being wasted on a street. I mean that's something that also happend to me but you don't announce it to the world attached to a name.

>>56862354
That's literally what I'm saying.

>>56853409
I remember hearing that they are required be at meetings that are in JP timezones, so really late at night or early in the morning if they are in NA

>This long
>Graduation rather than termination but they're not going to do anything anyway
>Tempus still gets to say nice things about them
>Was a surprise to the remaining members
absolutely was a retarded contract protest

>>56862970
Don't like Lamy then?

My ratt is that they actually got suspended and when they tried to work something out they went into a dissagrement and either left due to Cover's poor and shit ass management before cover it self could do anything or they got actually terminated with cover covering the truth.

In either cases I hope they'll start becoming indies and will explain what the fuck happened.

>>56852997
I barely work the minimum at my job and make $80k and am waiting for the next idiot to offer me like 90-100k to do the same work.

>>56862315
Holy kek

>>56861746
both Japan and America are corporate hellholes. Mainly because of American influence post WW2. Although I prefer corporate hellhole to imperial Japan so its not all bad.

>>56863011
Yeah. Advent just had a meeting at like midnight EST. And other members have talked about having to stay up until 4 or 5 am for meetings or they'll oversleep and miss it.

>>56852751
I'm not sure I buy the whole contract failure. Still doesn't make sense to pump so much resources into updating their models immediately before, and the hiatus was incredibly sudden. They had like a week's schedule planned out, or Vesper did at least.

>>56862970
If you're shocked by someone wasted on the street, you clearly don't know shit about Japanese culture.

1 year anniv is coming up so I assume they went into negotiations which dragged on and eventually they said fuck it and graduated.
I feel deeply sorry for Pako. He doesn't deserve this shit.

>>56852868
true

>>56862553
As a Vestie, fuck you. Who’s your oshi? I’ll send her an anti aka to make her cry then charge back.

>>56855428
The rules that are so bad that all the other homos and all the rest of cover's talents decide to stay and suffer under because they're so intolerable? Those?

>>56863368
Also, the wording around their "decision" to graduate is pretty strange. I'd sooner believe a stalemate regarding an unusual legal situation that would have left them unable to stream long term that they simply decided to bounce instead. Like that talent Niji put on hiatus for like 3 years while they pursued a vanity lawsuit (and lost).

>>56863517
Altare go for you faggots, you guys act like huge fucking faggots in other peoples chats and you are just proving my point.

>>56862553
some of the alt reality shit you read on this board is wild

>>56862793
We KNOW this isn't true. Shinove himself wasn't even fucking aware of holostars EN until they debuted

>>56863079
I hated lamy when she debuted. Fucking hated shishiramy. Got into her when she was streaming long hours of minecraft. I can go on and on but overall i joined her and she is the best part of nepolabo even if she is sick almost weekly.

one prefers pre recorded skits and the other really had no bearings at all in the idol/stage performer side

>>56862473
I don't think people understand how autistic and annoying working in hololive probably is. You have to attend meetings with japs on their time, at fucking 3am and shit. You'll never catch me awake at 3am talking to some manager-san ruining my sleep schedule for a dime less than six figures.

>>56852751
>Now that omega is out, your contract will be according what your branch generates, and we are cutting down a bit the holopro thing. No more favoritism, I'm sorry Vesper and Magni
>Quit
>Quit

>>56863368
I was skeptical until another anon pointed out that the channels aren't being ficked with, they even are collecting fan letters for a while. As far as holograduations go it's a tame one.

>>56863517
>i'm going to do just what he said I do to prove him wrong
classy vesties

prolly got told to leave girls like fauna kiara goomba and irys alone and went malehera

>>56862553
you didn't watch streams.

>>56863374
It's not about what happend it's about talking about it and she had pride in it if you watched that stream.

>>56863705
Debut and Lamy now are so fucking different it's funny

>>56861465
That is beautiful.

>>56863745
and you do it all watching management fuck up basic tasks and expectations for the job on the regular, and you're still expected to bow and scrape before them because the hierarchy is sacrosanct or some shit, like the talents exist to provide for the managers and not the other way around
Vesper got fucked over regularly on perms. The EN girls got to the point of openly complaining about the same in the past. Then there's their "projects" that often never actually go anywhere because of internal company retardation.
>verification not required

>>56863368
>"Here's your new contract for next year"
>"We're not signing this"
>"Then you can't stream until you do"
>"Welp"
">"... So?"
>"Domo arigatou Jap-san, owari da"
>"Bye, bitches"
No need for rrats at this point.

>>56863078
vesper needed more money so he could make up more stories

>>56863655
I think the alt reality of people calling him a super nice grandpa is weirder honestly

PARROT! Include me on the video or you'll never see her again!

>>56852823
https://streamable.com/k9y6tb

>>56864018
generally you hammer out such details and investment after you present a new contract and they've agreed to it, not before

>>56862473
If you have no other income then yeah you'd take it. If there's a choice of quitting HL's 20 hours to ensure you have a stable 40 hours in other work then the choice might be different especially if that job is easier or pays a lot more.

>>56863770
the boys do get generic merch now. custom stuff must be locked behind a threshold

>>56853051
>We're rebels at heart
When you found a country over not wanting to pay taxes to pay for a war fought to defend you it sort of sets a precedent.

https://youtube.com/live/GmMWKmxtm2A
>35 minutes in

>>56864065
NTA, but I've watched many of his streams and I've never once heard of him asking viewers to anti anyone. He had this "kind but unhinged old man" character to him that I really enjoyed.
So when I hear people going, "BUH HE TOLD PEOPLE TO ANTI OTHER HOLOMEMS" my only possible response is "take your meds and stop making shit up".

ironmouse just said that her boy magni is going to do very well. not the first time a holo joins vshojo

I bet the termination was a result of them getting caught trying to poach EN members into going indie with them.

>>56852751
They're gone and you're still malding lmao. Careful not to pop and aneurism over petty nothings anon.

>>56864231
yeah because new models and outfits and things just come up all the time on super short notice and definitely without months of time investment, of course

>>56864499
are they finally starting v-shonen?

>>56864628
Well, if you put it like that, where it's down to Holo management being a bloated parade of incompetents and middlemen running the company ass-first, I guess it does make sense.

>>56852751
t. knows nothing, yet speaks as if she does. gets mad about it, even.

>>56863863
Get a new hobby if you want straight edge idols. Maybe look for muslims girls or something.
If you're Japanese, you're expected to drink unless you've got a good excuse.
It's not even a big issue. Holo regularly participate in much more harmful habits, like promoting gambling (see Usada "family friendly" Pekora).

>>56864499
clip?

>>56864680
it would let lando to stream on twitch and with his real body when he want to, like kson.

>>56857219
Vesper looks like a bootleg Alucard. That always bothered me about his model.

>>56864375
>nothing
>tricked into watching some boring pedo stream

>>56864903
>>56864499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob6OTnHahqw

>>56856957
And all this because Cover was seething over Luxiem.

>>56862473
You make more than that working at a 7-11, anon

Tempus got special treatment for everything. Magni got to immediately collab with 39daph.

>>56865179
Not on a per hour basis.

>>56856957
>company filled with mentally ill women
Proof?

>>56864499
>>56864680
>>56864903
>>56865037

someone made a dedicated thread

>>56864427

>>56864843
I don't need a new hobby. I'm membered to MET and NUI., both of them collab with males and i'm totaly fine with it but i will never watch an akirose stream.

>>56852751
It's not about the money for them. They cared for their fans if you watched the streams. They were simply sabotaged from the inside.

Tempus will never recover from this.
Guessing it wont be long before they reach StarsJP relevancy, Magni and Vesper were the only entertaining ones they had.

>>56852751
Another case of dumbfucks signing on without realizing what the job entailed. They thought they'd get to continue being twitchfags without restriction.

They got magged

>>56864966
>Gura: why is it always... about that raise, boss, can I get a raise?
>Ame: What do you want, an advance?
>Gura: Yes. [Laugh]
>Ame: Alright I have a contract for you
>Kiara: Better check it with your lawyer beforehand, you never know

>

Considering Magni was one of the fee who were actively taking a paycut by joining Tempus, not too surprised if this was over a contract negotiation

>>56865591
i remember yesterday people were seething over this having no legs, well who's laughing now?

my man just can't catch a break

>>56865488
Maghni was just mad they didn't let him for his grimace bukkake video that he did after he left and got bukkaked by grimace

>>56852997
Magni is already a big streamer and big youtuber, but getting debuffed with a shit model by a shit fgo artist was something even he cant come back from.

>>56861223
Isn't that like, more than the average income Americans make, on top of your alter ego?

>>56863368
>they and Cover start renegotiations about a month before contract expires
>everyone thinks they'll be able to hammer out a deal in time
>things proceed as normal
>contract expires
>"we can't really let you stream without a contract"
>activities stop until a new contract is signed
>no contract after a month
>both talents decide they're never going to get a satisfactory contract
>they leave

I bet someone just said mentioned Vesper in his vicinity and he ran off into the woods never to be seen again.

>>56865988
He is neither of those

Anons, did they deserve it? Serious argument please. I’m new to this.

>>56866784
"Deserve" is a difficult word, but I don't think it was unexpected. Both had personalities that while making them popular, didn't fit in with corporate culture, and Holo did a pretty poor job of selling itself to them as worth it in spite of the downsides.

>>56866432
He's being vague about RM stuff

>>56866432
800k subs on yt and 120k twitch followers is both of those.

>>56866984
They deserve it and there is no way around it. Next one would be Bae but she is a girl so she is save.

>>56866784
Seems obvious that this whole time Cover's management has been atrocious, but the girls don't complain much cause they get extreme amounts of money from simps.

They boys are not so lucky, so it makes sense that they got fed up with Cover's bullshit and the pittance they were getting was not worth it at all.

But Magni is a clout chaser who never cared about vtubing, and Vesper is a lying schizo so who knows what *truly* happened behind the cameras.

Overall I think Vesper deserved it for lying to the vespies so much and so blatantly.

>>56852997
Fuck no. In a lot of professions, if you're savvy you jump ship to a new company every few years because you can usually find better pay with the extra experience at a new job over whatever shit raise your current boss is offering.

>>56865875
>bringing outside council
>a big no-no
nigger, people having personal lawyers look over employment contracts is standard practice. if anything, Cover would encourage them to have a lawyer look it over because it reduces the risk of them filing a toothless lawsuit later while costing them nothing

>>56867486
>Next one would be Bae
KYS

>>56867501
>Overall I think Vesper deserved it for lying to the vespies so much and so blatantly.
?

>>56852751
If you've made it as a vtuber just phone it in. Like why are they trying to re-invent the wheel?

>>56867070
Ccv and second channel check

>>56865875
https://youtu.be/GmMWKmxtm2A?t=2148

>>56861724
I still miss Kira, he took my oshiginity :(

>>56852751
>>56855479
>having the ceo of the company directly supporting them
ungrateful fucks

>>56868467
you're the type to jump off a bridge when your friends do it, bootlicker behavior

>>56868141
Bro this guy made up his entire life to the point where we basically know absolutely nothing about the real Vesper.
He would spend hours reading greentext text stories he made up about himself, and you would notice he was reading a script because the few times he streamed videogames, he would be extremely quiet, often going 20 minutes in a row without saying a single word.

We didn't even know that he was in Japan until Axel mentioned it, even the other holostars had no idea and he also made excuses to dodge meeting them.

Also, that time he made a 'eating moldy burgers' where the burgers where not moldy at all and he pretended to be suffering the effects instantly with porn acting.

Or all those times he said that he worked on IT, only to do a computer building stream with Magni where he revealed himself to be clueless.

And many more like that, he was completely full of shit all the way to his suspension.

>>56865383
You're legit as mentally ill than unicorns.
Get some perspective.

>>56852751
you'll get over it

>>56869038
I don't think he was being malicious about it but yeah, he does seem like a pathological liar.

>>56865875
>>56868226
KEK

>>56852997
As we speak I'm the only employee in my department that works from home because I had the balls to be worth something and stand up for what I wanted. Japanese shoyuboys put up with corporate bullshit, Americans will tell you to eat shit if they have the value to back it up. Vesper and Magni don't need faggotry idol bullshit to build an audience.

>>56853409
That's because the japanese are spiritual slaves to their family (not wife and kids, their elders), employer, and society as a whole. It sickens me.

The two weeks are up.

>>56870015
>is a employee
>cocky about it
If you want to be badass at least start a business yourself, kys flog faggot

>>56853409
Don't just leave out the part where the JPs have the most health breaks in the whole company

>>56864314
I was going to get mad at you but then I realized you aren't American so your opinion on this topic doesn't matter.

>>56867918
>counterargument hinges on a japanese company being rational
rrat confirmed

>>56864194
I fucking miss that bitch.

>>56865909
At what point will he stop accepting vtuber gigs? Seems like a cruel joke at this point.

>>56869038
>all those times he said that he worked on IT, only to do a computer building stream with Magni where he revealed himself to be clueless.
but that's normal for IT

>>56871292
I'd agree with you but one of his earliest stories about him putting together a bunch of computers and keeping the peeled plastic in a ball

>>56868226

Definitely saying something very wink wink nudge nudge to the audience without saying something.
Sad all this happened over money but also not surprised. Magni used Hololive as therapy at first then a stepping stone for his RM, which goes to show how fucked up his morals are.

feelsbadman

>>56852751
It's not a firing because Japanese companies don't fire people they want gone unless they have a black and white smoking gun to rely on. They just hang them out to dry until they quit, which seems to be what happened here.

>>56852751
Nigga wut? Take your meds

>>56871855
again, that's exactly what someone who works in IT and sets up a shitload of monitors as a part of their job would do. it's completely normal to not have a clue what the fuck you're doing with actual IT because of how bloated and bureaucratic the whole industry has become (thanks diversity mandates forcing women into a profession for males with autism). your middle managers have middle managers who, just like you, spend 8 hours a day doing God knows what. One actually smart and capable person is carrying the workload of about 10 people.

>>56865875
>>56868226
>>56872167
Holy fuck.
I should watch more streams instead of being a filthy catalog nigger.

>>56856080
>>56856080
>Americans value freedom over stability.

I don't know, the last 4 years have shown otherwise.

>>56852751
They just harassed Gura or Cover employees. After these homos were suspended Gura suddenly got back to normal

>>56871855
>>56872591
In the 90s or so there was a microchip shortage because all the talented people aged out of the industry basically and the people left behind were retards who had to learn the job from scratch. Sound familiar?
Competence is an increasingly rare commodity, which anyone who's been in such a position should recognise. I don't know shit about computers beyond how to put them together and google problems to get shit working, but those two facts alone put me above 95% of the other people in my company.

>>56861465
That was another player trying to impersonate Kaoru. Nobody knows why he quit. The most accepted rrat is that he was an actual sex pest and was shagging cover employees and cheating on his wife.

>>56864499
Because he has his "side" channel that is way bigger than his Tempus persona.

>our fans? naahh fuck them, our trivial "issues" with the contract (not being allowed to spam collabs with twitch thots) are far more important
>go follow our roomates or something i guess
Male moment.

>>56852997
Americans are literal anti-work lobbyists

>>56852751
>Raids Kiara to boost company numbers
>Gets terminated
Literal black company

Their model updates were probably meant to make them not quit the company but that probably wasn't enough.

>>56863826
They are just like their oshi. Good riddance.

>>56861698
>Especially if you try to compare them to whoever did the casting for Myth.
That was the VTuber formerly known as Coco.

>>56869038
>He would spend hours reading greentext text stories he made up about himself, and you would notice he was reading a script because the few times he streamed videogames, he would be extremely quiet, often going 20 minutes in a row without saying a single word.

Isn't it possible he just had a hard time multitasking playing while engaging with chat?

>>56861698

Sana quit because of the china shitstorm. She makes more from chinese gacha than Hololive.

>>56852751
I actually respect them more for leaving. I just watched a bunch of the rm stuff today, even though I never had any interest before.

>>56856080
>If you start underperforming, you'll get demoted and put to the corner to do nothing but never fired
Isn't this the ideal endgame though? There are worse fates than steady pay and never actually having to work.

>>56862473
Streaming as a job sucks shit.

>>56865307
Yeah, but for every hour of streaming there's at least another hour or two of useless other bullshit. Lots of talents have talked about time spent in meetings, recording, prepping content, etc. Not to mention that putting on a stream takes a lot of concentration. If I'm working at 7-11 I can use 10% of my brain.

>>56856758
He mentioned being on thin ice after his suspension and that wouldn't explain why Vesper and Magni were both fighting with management. Kronii has problems with her model and maybe they were trying to negotiate with Cover to give her a redesign.

>>56852751
>hololive
faggots aren't hololive

>>56881709
No because what you end up getting was tempiss's manager who couldn't do their one fucking job who the company defended when lord boomerton the anger issues snapped.

>>56881248
I don't know why people say this, unless Sana was hired within weeks of Myth's debut the Taiwan incident would have happened beforehand. If Sana knew anything about her zhang masters, she would have realized that it wasn't going away any time soon.

Good that they left
Cover is a shit company with shit management anyway so I wouldn't be surprised if they found something better for themselves

>>56885156
Magni only applied as a joke and just used tempus to leech to his PL stuff, so it's definitely something better for him

>>56852751
>contract issues
>salary
Everyone knows you get this information before you actually start working. Unless they are turbo retarded and didn't read/ask any of that before getting in, they are definitely leaving for another reason.

>>56852997
Japanese will work themselves to death without speaking up for themselves, it's not like that here. People will just jump ship for better offers or just do bare minimum until management gets angy and they get to collect unemeployment

>>56872697
Imported migrant values, largely. Just like how parts of the country became pro-guid and pro-union after the first world war caused mass migration from continental europe.

>>56861859
A significant chunk of the first two EN generations had good things going for them outside of hololive. Mori and Gura have both also threatened to return to their PLs for various reasons, Sana just actually went through with it. Part of the issue with hiring people who were confirmed to be successful before forming EN to ensure EN's success, is that they are people who know they will be successful outside of EN.

>>56887911
It's almost like 1 year is up, and it's time for contract renegotiations.

>>56872697
the last 4 years have been the mass-popularization of the side-hustle gig economy.

>>56887911
It is contract RE-negotiation you retard.
Cover IS changing the term, they ask Vesper and Magni to take it or leave. They left.
This is not Cover being kurocorp or the two being fired. It's just two sides not agreeing to terms and dropped the contract.

>>56855507
This
Fuck chuds

>>56888734
>Mori and Gura have both also threatened to return to their PLs for various reasons
Source: My ass

>>56862473
25k a year is a terrible salary. Do you live in a shithole?

>>56857232
I thought kaoru was forced out ofter the not-korone yab on is RM account ?

>>56861813
And no graduation stream? No twitter post?
Please, they clearly did something cover don't want you to even imagine.
hence graduation instead of fired, probably got a hefty sum to shut the fuck up about it also.

>>56852751
don't care

>>56868226
lmao I just can't accept that they would be THAT stupid and arrogant. Nobody does that in any other job.