/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56815474
>P-PLEASE STOP WATCHING HOLOLIVE WATCH MY LE SMALL VTUBER THAT IS TOTALLY MORE TALENTED THEN THEN HOLOLIVE FRFR

>They are commercials for bad products
So they’re now proper idols, got it

>>56815474
i am still not watching your oshi. kek.

is OW2 as hated in japan as it is in the west?

2 MORE WEEKS SISTERS

watch/support what you like, don't watch/support what you don't like

Extremely low quality thread

>>56815921
homobeggars don't like that, they wll cry over what you don't watch/support while they themselves don't watch/support what they do like.

>>56815829
No, but its also not that popular
Blizzard definitely wants some of those apex players in jp to revitalize the game

>>56815821
None of the corpo's are immune, phase connect has been nonstop shilling mahjong soul for the entire week
Idolcorp has been shilling a bunch of random garbage

>>56815474
They were never Idols to begin with
they have always been anime girls on the internet

>>56815474
Even anime is like this now, all that is left is watch things unfold at the moment.

>newfags unironically think the golden age didn't end 4 years ago
You're a maggot in the corpse of vtubing complaining that the bones are drying up.

https://youtu.be/fNbIQ92g2cc?si=2XNRa7tgOqihQFMN
Just enjoy the fun times while they last. I hate the shilling, but any fun moments like that Pekora stream should be cherished. That to me, is real hololive. Any oshi who doesn't partake in these, and continues that fun spirit are the true pillars of hololive.

>Why are my corpo idols selling out???? I thought they were le hecking based free-spirits, not a for-profit business????

>>56815921
This is pretty much the core thing to focus on. I don't care for any of these competitive things, and if HL notices its failing, they fuck off from it. The fans have the most say of it all. Put your money to your mouth. Too bad /vt/ doesn't understand this phrase at all.

>>56815921
Your oshi will be punished for it
Every girl is now going to be graded on how lucrative her fanbase is to foreign interests

If your oshi isn't converting her fanbase to product consumers, her value to the stockholders is less than the girl who has a high conversion rate

This matters when it comes to 3d lives, to when budgets are made out for special projects

>>56816197
you need to stop deflecting, unicuck

>>56816760
Hololive and the managers aren't in control of this, its the stockholders now
It doesn't matter what the girls want, they have to play ball

They will market products to you, if they don't, support is dropped, graduations are pushed like Sana

>>56816754
A single stream for valkrie connect every 10 months is not the same as a multi day collaboration event with a major production company

>>56815474
Unicorns tell me they're the hardest of men
All I see is whining and crying like a bunch of giant babies

>>56816070
How is it low quality?
It's the truth.

What do you think horizontal even is?
It's a global shill initiative.

>>56817096
This is an anti-american corporation thread

>>56816777

>>56817273
Wasn't asking you Sergei

>>56816658
indie gachashit isn't blizzard, it isnt tencent
we are going to get these things every fucking month now

>>56816923
>if they don't, support is dropped, graduations are pushed like Sana
Merch is more than sponsored shit. Hell, even hololive did some more garbage sponsored stuff like some stupid meal thing Noel did.

>>56817363
Are you really sucking off blizzard?
Are you going to suck off EA too?
Disney?

Where's your line?

>>56815474
They were never idols in the first place

>>56815474
Call me when the next graduation happens. This shit will be forgotten in a week once it's over.

>>56817429
Anon, that's how it used to be.
blizzard, sony, microsoft, EA, these companies will give millions to cover to shill these games to dumb weebs and otaku who have disposable income to spend on collaboration skins

Covercorp shareholders do not value the fans support, they just value the money that's brought in
More money will be brought in through these brand deals.

Blizzard spent BILLIONS on their failed esports ventures for marketing

>>56817807
And hololive can get a check and nobody gives a shit. Unless you have people utterly retarded to fal for it, then it stops. I don't play OW, so I am already doing my part in the cause.

>>56817543
Horizontal is not going to be dropped, the other week it was pokemon unite, now its overwatch 2

Everything you loved about hololive is about to be turned into a facsimile because of how much money foreign interests will pump into it to shill to mainly the JP, but we will be in crossfire

>>56817871
What do you think happened to IGN?
G4? The game awards? Game Informer?

The same shit that is happening now, corporate interests do not care how the audience responds to blatant shilling.
If they give $2 million to covercorp and it ends up only equalling $1 million in generative sales for collaborative skins, these companies will see it as a win because they plant a marketing seed in the consumers for long term returns that
>get future sales
>converts more non users into consumers

This is a completely different ballgame compared to the sponsored stream bs we used to get, this is going to be hyper aggressive shilling for very bad games

>>56817979
Pokemon Unite wasn't a holizontal thing.

>>56818559
And that was sponsored by the actual pokemon people. If there was a good time to shill a gacha, thats the right one. Not fucking Overwatch 2.

>Not even a month into Advent's debut and all the fake fans are getting weeded out by the most entry level schizo bait
>Dramafags ramping up to such frothing levels of rage that even the Shiori antis got drowned out in the process
This board is healing right now. Can you feel it? We're entering the 2nd Golden Age of vtubing and it's gonna be great.

>>56818559
It was very obviously a testing ground for the group managing the collaboration
This is most likely who is now running Horizontal, covercorp talked about this at the recent shareholder meeting about diversification of revenue sources

>>56818773
How can you say that when even EN girls are being forced to shill legitimately bad games to the hololive fanbase?
Are you unironically supporting blizzard and horizontal?

>>56817979
This is just like any other mindless sponsership they have. Oh no one stream to shill a dead game what am I gonna do. Yeah it's unfortunate the kino we got from previous sponsers seems to be gone but this ultimately won't matter in the slightest. Everyone will be riding hololive's dick again by the time they announce the next holofes despite all of this doomposting mark my words.

>>56819210
>. Everyone will be riding hololive's dick again by the time they announce the next holofes despite all of this doomposting mark my words.
Because people actually look forward to the festival and not shitty shill events.

>>56819150
I don't think it truly matters, fren.

>>56815474
The money people give them is not enough anymore to stay true to what made them great in the first place. They need to expands and grow and fuel the capitalist machine till everything is burned to the ground.

OH NO THE GIRLS ARE GOING TO
let me see
PLAY GAMES AND DO SHIT TOGETHER!!!!
THE HORROR
NO NO NO NO NOOOO YAGOOO HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN !!!
WE TRUSTED YOU!

I have faith that the true fans will make their voices heard, this is undoubtedly Cover testing the waters for these types of things so we need to make them know that the majority do not give a fuck about this stuff. Cover is basically just doing the opposite of what Vspo is doing now, where Vspo is dipping into idol content while still focusing on FPS and stuff while Cover is dipping into esports while still focusing on idol stuff.

>>56819210
Anon, we are most likely going to get a shill campaign like this in every major triple A release now, the goal of horizontal is for global marketing to reach JP audiences

I wouldn't be surprised if starfield is next

i read it on a post o 4chan so it must be true.

>>56819395
>With men

>>56819478
>against men

>>56819278
What's your limit on bad products being marketed to fans?
Not baiting, just curious.

If the girls were forced to market a product that got a recall for lead, would you hold them accountable, especially if the product initially seemed cheaply made?
How bad does the product have to be for you to care?

>>56819456
Read the press release for horizontal, it's true that cover is trying to get global marketing dollars and nothing good has ever come from the people that have taken these kinds of deals

>>56819395
>holding the talents financially hostage if they don't aggressively shill bad products to their fanbase is good

>>56816658
Everyone thinks that the first 3-6 months in the hobby was the golden age.

>>56819417
Blizzard wasted billions on overwatch esports.
Billions.

That's the kind of money where you throw away morals and you treat the talents like trash who need to shut up and sell.

>>56819435
And how will that take away from the idol shows or the talents specifically? If these remain the same than some boring shill stream just seems like average corporate filler for money. If the talents start changing than I'll admit shit's going down but right now this just seems like another type of sponser. Also real idols shill garbage products all the time, any celebrity does, watching the stream isn't going to force me to play overwatch.

>>56819834
The fatal flaw in your argument: the participants already have very comfortable SC income, that they could afford to reject this if they wanted.
This means SCs are insignificant compared to the sponsorship money.

>>56820007
Yagoo seems like a stop gap inbetween corporate interests and the wellbeing of the talents. As long as he is around, Cover will maintain some sovl.

OW2 sucks but don't idols shill this shit all the time? You can't go to a combini or Don Quixote without seeing some vtuber sponsored product. Ame has done paladins shit, another boring shooter and plenty of jps have been in co-ed apex bullshit. You eop fags don't know shit about idols or vtubers. Fucking kill yourselves already.

>>56819607
Oh are you one of those weirdos who has a perpetual hateboner for Blizzard? Listen man I don't like anti-consumer practices either but you just have to let that shit go. It's not gonna effect Holomems that's for sure.

>>56820103
yeah but apex is a good game as its core. OW2 is a souless husk

>OP actually believes in the purity of idol culture, an entertainment industry niche used by japanese gangsters to launder money for literal decades

>>56820167
Titanfall: Soul
Apex: Soulless

>>56820085
I fully expect hololive to completely dip when yagoo leaves. That's when you'll actually see the quality start to drop immensely and black company shit start to arise.

>>56820014
Great question.

Instead of relying on fans, the idol shows will be comtpletey financed by corporate interests.
Holofes costed fans money because it couldn't be run without it, bushiroad was their only major partnership, a really small Japanese company.
Imagine Coke sponsoring holofes and half the events the girls had to shill coke related products to you.

Have you not seen how bad it's gotten in televised sports? Don't you think football fans would finance an ad free games if they could?
Pandora's box is opening and hololive won't be the fan support industry it used to be

>>56820083
Marine and Pekora both complained last year about management not allowing them to do projects that they were allowed to finally do this year.
The girls have to fight for special projects.

Superchats are going to be small, small fish compared to the millions every months that will come in from major global advertising.

>>56820287
companies aren't your friends, they don't owe you shit. sorry you had to learn the hard way with the yagoo broken women company.

>>56820287
Which is a good business move because holy shit holobronies are volatile

>Now Blizzard is based according to holodrones
Not like I expected anything different specially after you fags start to gulp down capeshit, tencent and EA slop.

>The shilling is for Japan market
>Japan don't care your hate boner to Blizzards
>Futile thread
>Futile discussion

We've known for a long time that management asks politely if people want to be involved with sponsored streams, the discord leak literally showed a channel where people were given criteria for a stream if they wanted to take advantage of a promotion offer and how much the payout would be. This is about as bad and about as much of a nothingburger as fleshtubers taking Raid: Shadow Legends money to pay the bills.

>>56820108
I bought D4 and my gf and I played it through.
It was a really shit game, the first act was a ruse.

I really loved overwatch 1, i put maybe 400 hours into it.
Overwatch 2, they completely killed kaplans baby because pve content wasn't profitable enough.
This is not a good company and this is coming from a fan.

Now, like I said, what manner of bad products are you willing to accept be shilled by your oshi, what level of responsibility does hololive have to not shill actual trash to the fans that support them

>>56815474
This nigger really screencapped his own post made 1000 posts ago because he didn't get any (You)s. Sad!

>>56816846
True, unity cuck need to gtfo.

>>56820673
You put 400 hours into a coomer game? Kek what a loser, also you should feel bad for buying D4, like it should be hard for you to sleep at night knowing you wasted that time on pure slop.

We should do a /gme/ bagholding rally where we all buy 5253 stock and baghold it, allowing yagoo to gain more control over cover.

>>56820448
>>56820451
So what you are saying is
>everything else is bad, so hololive should be just as bad
This is a terrible mindset to have, this is your oshi's future, she will be subjected to this embarrassing shit and she won't be allowed to turn it down at a high enough price point

>>56820673
>what level of responsibility does hololive have to not shill actual trash to the fans that support them
zero. corpos don't owe you shit, you're important to them until you're not.

>>56820814
If vtubing is embarrassing to watch for you then go to a different board instead of fearmongering.

>>56820884
and this is supposed to be a good thing, you defeatist retard?

>>56820814
We’ve had multiple Holomem (Kaela, Mori) shill Raid Shadow Legends. We’re well past that point.

>>56815829
Blizzard is trying to help drum up playerbase after Larian absolutely mogged them.

>>56820814
Do you honestly think either of the people you replied to are hololive fans? Theyre either falseflaggers or defeatist faggots

>>56815474
I don't think you actually know what "Idols" are, anon. Japanese idols are used to whore out all sorts of awful garbage. Even big idols make a lot of their money by doing ads and brand deals with dogshit products. It's literally a staple of the industry.

>>56820814
Your aspirational retard logic means exactly nothing.

>>56820108
Why can't you answer his question?

>>56820806
This
do your part

>>56820598
I want to protect the Japanese fans like they have protected us
If it wasn't for the JPniki, hololive wouldn't exist, we'd all be forced to either watch twitch vtubers or just not even engage in the medium

We have an actual duty to protect the japanese fans who will be aggressively shilled to by the worst agents in our culture using their oshi's as a trojan horse

Just like the JPniki don't want the girls to stray from being idols, i don't want the girls to commit terrible acts on their fans in the name of corporate profits

>>56820933
it is what it is. you can either accept reality or create magical scenarios for yourself where everyone rejects the inevitable commodification of hololive through powerful aspirational thinking on the chinese bicycle repair imageboard. in other words, you will inevitably eat your own shit.

>>56821022
Because it's really fucking stupid, I don't even have an argument I just hate that specific posting style. He's still going too lmao

>>56820748
It was over 6 years anon, now answer the question

>>56820287
Honestly, I do sorta understand where you're coming from but I feel like this was an inevitable scenario no matter what. Hololive's a corporation, the whole family gimmick isn't real, they're coworkers at the end of the day and some of them have probably never interacted with others. While I don't see holofes turning out that way, even if it does the entire brand of hololive was always money first they were just able to be good to the fans while doing so. For me, as long as the talents aren't treated like shit I'll be fine with whatever dumbassery cover pulls next, if cover goes that route then I may lean more towards how you think but this is way to early to tell just by one shill stream. I just don't see this being the shitshow some are making it out to be especially because it's one bad game, if this causes a ripple effect than fuck me but this seems way too much of a reaction for something that most won't interact with. If they start shilling poison or sex toys than I'll eat my words.

>>56821195
I stand by you anon and I’m glad you took the time to make this thread and engage with it. I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said.
But do you honestly think anybody on this hellhole has any kind of moral principles or a feeling of obligation to repay someone?

>>56820978
Raid shadowlegends is not a lucrative contract, that is small shit
You don't understand the difference between a sponsorship stream, and complete corporate mouthpiece for a western conglomerate

>>56821273
or you could stand up and do something you fucking retard
are you an american? americans love to bend the knee despite having means to fight back

>>56821195
Japanese entertainment and by extension the idol industry has been twisted by commercial interests and actual criminals for longer than you've been alive you naive homo. Get over yourself.

>>56821442
Well see, if they’re so willing to shill a bad product for so cheap… imagine if a lucrative contract comes along?

>>56815474
>commercial... hurr durr
no shit? they are not your personal monkey, they joined corpo to make money
>buy shit game
dont project, yourself. Im not a consoomer. Last Blizzard's game i touch was OG Warcraft 3. I never play WoW.
>oshi will die by lack of company support.
at worst Blizzard wont ask them to shill their game anymore, that doesnt mean another corpo will join Blizzard.
>>56816923
>if they don't
why wouldnt they? they ask them to play the game, ffs, not whoring themselves at red light district.
>>56818307
Oh, that rant. Go to /v/ faggot. This is not a video game board.

>>56821449
i'm sure you will fight the good fight by sending argentinian pesos to your oshi or whatever the fuck you barely literate SEA fishpeople do

>>56815792
fpbp

>>56821374
I just don't want to see something that's bonded all of us across the world turn into the same garbage we've tried to escape from elsewhere.

Like others have said, maybe it's inevitable, the girls would eventually graduate, but god, I'd really hate it if all our oshi's just started reading everything off a teleprompter on every stream so they don't say anything off brand to global partnerships
I didn't even go into what kind of censorship could affect hololive in the future

>>56821479
See >>56821868
You don't think that's exactly why JPniki loved hololive?
The soul of the company was different than the tv programs they grew up with

What does hololive mean to you?
Do you want hololive to turn into jimmy kimmel?

>>56815474
Post is retarded because it's based on numberfaggotry retardation of "infinite growth or its OVER!!!!!!" when in reality, we get to vote with our views. If Cover feels like these retarded esport game shills aren't viable and they stop doing them it hurts the feelings of a couple of out-of-touch investors. We get to decide everything as the consoomers.
If we stop watching, stop buying merch, don't buy the collab products, then they'll stop happening.
The girls are never going to be poor, go hungry, or have to end their careers over this dumb shit.

>>56821868
By making it successful with your superchats and so forth you played a part into making it into garbage by making it valuable to outside commercial interests and the investment class. That's how the modern marketplace works. You are party to the problem regardless of how much you scream about how you don't like it.

Hololive is already greatly sanitized. Remember the “NG-word” channel that popped up in Reine’s discord?

>>56821442
The point is that Raid is terrible P2W mobile trash and embarrassing to shill, same as Overwatch 2 is terrible and embarrassing to shill. That was the principle you laid out that Anon was responding to.

>>56815792
Based and most realistic take

Four years ago my oshi was creaming herself over RGG and shilling for it. Today she is creaming herself over RGG and shilling for it. I knew this going in and I'm still fine with it.

Selling out is only controversial to unicorns and the SEA gold farmers, no one of importance actually cares.

>>56822237
These companies pump BILLIONS of dollars into esports that failed and they wrote it off as a failed marketing stunt
What happened to all those overwatch pros?
StarCraft 2 pros? Heroes of the storm?

This is what is scary about corporate marketing, none of us matter, not the fans, the talents, not anyone.
Cover is opening hololive up to being used by corporate interests and then just dumped after it will most likely fail with no care to what happens to any of the talents.

No one ITT have considered that we might actually get voluntary graduations from this kind of company shift.
A lot of the girls value their integrity and sense of self, there's only so much shill behavior they will stand for.

If cover doesn't wake up before it's too late, the girls will wake up before them

Bobby Kotick is not sending his best

>>56815474
>no longer

>>56823017
>A lot of the girls value their integrity and sense of self
people who actually believe this think like this are great targets for paypiggery/parasocial relationship money drain

>>56822548
Anon even I've been emailed by raid and I only have 40k subs, its not really anything, they don't offer skin collaborations

Blizzard and these other big corporations using your company as its marketing arm is a death sentence to talent autonomy
Censorship censorship censorship
Shill stream shill stream shill stream

>>56823215
way to out yourself as someone who doesn’t watch streams

I only want to see the push for homo collabs and watch unicorns burn.
I don't care about anything else.

>>56823216
Whats your channel?

>what happens to any of the talents
What happens is that they get a small slice of the >BILLIONS you mentioned. The downside? Elitists turn their noses up at them… that’s it.

>>56823330
you are a bad person if serious

>>56823215
A lot of the girls do have integrity anon, im not a fool to parasocial money traps, but those are personal to the girls identity
Asking for your direct support is personal

Asking you to buy skins in a game that is inherently bad for a black company is a bridge too far for a lot of the girls, which is why a lot of them never touch sponsors
Until Horizontal that is

>>56823394

>screencaps his own post and makes a thread about it for more (You)s

>>56823413
the girls play gacha and promote gacha.
Pekora, one of the top talents, even gambles on horse racing.
"integrity" my arse.

>>56818773
LOL
LMAO
Hololive could be bought out by blackrock at any moment now.

>>56823381
What happened to overwatch esports league?
Hearthstone?
Heroes of the storm?

That's the future of covercorp if they allow foreign interests to pimp out their talents

>>56823216
Maybe, but it's not a morality issue regardless. Holo talents were already fully willing to push garbage onto their viewers such as Raid. Shit, Gura partnered with taco bell, and that shit is literally gut poison that makes people obese and smell bad. So it doesn't really change that much to me personally, especially when like others ITT have pointed out, traditional idols shill garbage all day and no one bats an eye

>>56823531
Yes because i am genuinely concerned about the future of the girls
I think we are seriously looking at a huge brand shift that could cause graduations

>>56823579
This

>>56823616
are you daft? those products died, no big deal, the streamers simply move on to other sponsorships. they're not the ones making the products.

>>56823590
And we'd never shut up about it
>>56823657
>Maybe, but it's not a morality issue regardless
For you. These companies are observably worse.

>>56823579
Gambling is a personality quirk/flaw
Its not being forced on pekora
We are talking about corporate interests being forced on the talents

I talked about earlier how traditional media os run on teleprompters, this will happen to the hololive girls if we don't keep big corporate interests from controlling the brand

>Golden age

LMAO


>The real golden age, late 2017- early 2018

Small number of vtubers, for the fans and by the fans, experimenting with 3D and pioneering in everything, the 4 heavenly kings are born.

Youtube videos are the norm, barely any streams, no paypigs or idols.

Kizuna Ai become the eternal Queen of Vtubers forever

>The Silver age, late 2018- early 2019

Nijisanji introduce the 2Dlive streamer format in NicoNico Douga, vtubers become low effort and become niche e-celebs streamers in Japan, that even normalfags watch.

Idol. is created and introduce the idol scene to vtubing, vtubers unicorns are born.

>The bronze age, late 2019-early 2020

Too many vtubers to follow, over 10,000 vtubers worldwide

Idol. shit the bed because internal drama (Tama/Sio), Hololive steal their audience and Idol format, focuse on stream on Youtube, most streams were made on NicoNico douga before this.

HoloCN is created to try to appeal the CN audience, because JP was dominated by Nijisanji.

HoloID is also created to appeal the indonesian audience.

the 4th gen of Hololive debut, Coco become a huge streamer on Japan and give Hololive a lot of popularity overseas.

Nijisanji become the biggest vtuber company and the most popular in Japan by a wide margin.

>Iron age, late 2020- early 2021

The hololive age, HoloEN is created, they become really popular and every hololive branch get the covid boost, they dominate the oversea market.

Nijisanji lose territory in Japan and they enforce their popularity with Kuzuha and Kanae, and try to appeal female otakus and fujoshis, they become a huge success.

>The bandwagon age late 2021- early 2022

Normalfags and Ironic western otakus get into vtubers, e-celebs and twitch streamers jump into the fade.

Vshojo become a vtuber agency, and dominate Twitch

NijiEN is released and is poorly received, little to no interest outside oversea fans that watch NijiJP

Council is released and they do poorly in comparative with Myth

Covid ends and all vtubers lose viewers

>Cancer era, late 2022-now

Small vtubers companies start to pop out everywhere

Every country in the world have at least one vtuber

Normal e-celeb start to interact with vtubers, vtubers become normal and lose any novelty or innovation, all are the same by now

Over 10,000,000 vtubers around the world

Every vtuber is slowly losing viewers

Hololive domination overseas and in Japan

Nijisanji slowly bleeding viewers and streamers

Hololive and Nijisanji go public, and sell stocks, signaling that it's the time to cash out of the fade

Everything is getting worse

>>56823930
>this will happen to the hololive girls
You mean this is ALREADY happening. They're corp contractors, they can't simply say anything on stream. It's like you forgot the past 3 years.

>>56823819
>the streamers moved on
Into irrelevance, that's why i was bringing it up

If you live by corporate interests, you die by them
If covercorp allows the girls to be pimped out by big corporations, their entire appeal will be destroyed, and when they are no longer useful and the big corporations pull out, what happens to your oshi?
Is she still your oshi?
Or did you drop her after 3 weeks straight of shill streams where every word she spoke was read off a script?

The defenders of CGDCT are here to save us!

>>56823864
Agree to disagree I guess, I think your oshi shilling Taco Bell that's fast food goyslop and a ticket to stomach cancer is just as bad if not worse than shilling Blizzard games. Gacha is also equally bad imo

>>56824075
I course I've paid attention, im saying it will get worse
Reckful got kicked off of casting hearthstone for saying the gamer "he's getting raped right now" in a gaming context on stream a decade ago.
The guy eventually killed himself and that moment where blizzard completely banned him was one of the big reasons why, it impacted him the rest of his short life.

Now imagine the hololive girls no longer being able to talk about loli.
To some anons, that wouldn't matter at all, but that simple act of censorship would kill it for some people.

>>56824096
be honest, is that any different from what they're doing now?
they play FOTM, new AAA releases, and they always moderate their words not to offend corps since they need permissions

>>56824213
Taco Bell are old bad, they don't do radical culture war garbage, on top of peddling their (digital) crack.

>>56824285
anon, your hypothetical scenario is already reality. this has been the case since the permissions holocaust. the days of mikochi saying "nigga" are long behind us.

>>56824107
no sell on the rhombus, make it a trapezoid and we'll talk

>>56824285
How dare you use Reckful for your shitpost

KYS

>>56824294
These are by choice, sure, kiara states that she feels compelled to play new releases to stay relevant, but it's still a choice.

If the hololive girls lost all their agency due to becoming corporate mouthpieces, how many of them do you think would stay?
Definitely some of them.
But who would leave?
Also, definitely some of them.

Money is not everything to every one of the girls, what if gura announced she was going to graduate because she was being forced to shill a game she had no interest in while reading off a cringe script.
That's not exactly unrealistic.

>>56824431
I know, there's already been major concessions, hololive blew up from that clip too, and that's my point
How much censorship are both we the fans, and the girls, willing to accept from corporate interests until we just lose interest?

That's why this topic is so important, we are getting there really fast now

>>56816923
>its the stockholders now
Yagoo is majority owner. Cope, seethe, dilate, you are a faggot, etc etc.

>>56824519
I literally used to play with him you retard, i live in austin

>>56824415
Sure but at the same time it's not like anyone in Holo is gonna be shifting the Overton window away from the left anyway. They stay away from politics regardless, so they were never going to be any sort of driving force in a culture war to begin with.

Pippa and Kirsche are the two that come the closest to getting edgy enough to be considered 'in the culture war'

>Enshittification is when an online platform becomes more monetized and less user-oriented the longer it lasts. The term was theorized by Canadian writer and thinker Cory Doctorow to describe the trajectory of platforms like TikTok, Amazon and Twitter. He argued that platforms start out serving users by offering features that lure them in, then they serve advertisers and third parties by offering ad targeting and deals, and lastly they serve themselves and their shareholders by cheating and exploiting both advertisers and users. Doctorow calls this process "enshittification."
uhhhhh naruhodo?

>>56824519
He's right, he whined about being banned all the time. His whole life was WoW.

>>56824621
Explain what Horizontal is, i your best attempt

>>56824534
your slippery slope argument can be used for anything and thus isn't worth the discussion.
e.g. "what if kiara had to graduate because management was forcing her to stream 3 times a week for channel upkeep"
or "what if management forces the girls to participate in arbitrary music units"
or "what if management forces the girls to travel to appear in Holofes"
no shit, it's part of their JOBS.

>>56824664
At least Kirsche is based

>>56824664
I don't want some bulwark chuubas either, I just don't want western ideologues destroying everything as they are wont to do

I'm fine with this as long as the drama is good.

>>56824761
I, as a fan of hololive, do not want the talents to be forced to shill black company products.
Especially to Japanese fans who cultivated one of the best fanbases in entertainment.

The reason horizontal was created, was to change the job of the hololive girls from idols into marketers.
This is not acceptable to me.

>>56824703
Doesn't have anything to do with what I quoted.

>>56815474
Is this Irystocuck cope over her not caring about male collabs or is this some /v/-shit where blizzard lives rent free in their heads?
You're mentally ill either way and I suggest rope treatment.

>>56824914
Explain what you think Horizontal is, not what you think a majority shareholder means

>>56824952
>Is this Irystocuck cope over her not caring about male collabs or is this some /v/-shit where blizzard lives rent free in their heads?
holocure fags were making threads on /v/ gloating about how "their" game is more popular than OW2.
This as we can observe is well deserved instant karma.

>>56824911
that was always the end goal, anon. it's always advertising and marketing.
except that you are the product.

>>56824703
Yagoo want homos, simple as that.
Since when you under impression he hates homostar, faggot?

>>56815474
>anon does not understand marketing Part 9651
Marketing is about raising awareness, not sales. The expectation is that an increase in awareness will eventually lead to an increase in sales, but this is not simple 1 + 1 = 2 type of equation.
The dirty secret of marketing is that it is not results-based. Except in the case of an outrageously successful campaign you cannot draw a straight line between 1 specific part of a marketing effort and a correlating increase in sales. You can have the best marketing in the world, but if the customer determines that the product is not worth the asking price they're still not going to buy it. This is a failure of the product and of identifying the target market rather than a failure of the marketing effort itself.
These companies aren't stupid either. They know that as soon as the stream is promoting something there is a portion of the audience that will not be swayed regardless of what happens or won't even turn up in the first place. The companies are not trying to appeal to those people. They want people who otherwise might not know about the product or have been exposed to the product to see it, see someone whose opinion they trust hopefully enjoying it, and buy it if they like it. It's really not that deep.
I went out and bought 2 orders of Nacho Fries before Gura's Taco Bell shill stream. Do you think Taco Bell has any way of determining what caused me to go out and purchase those Nacho Fries? Maybe it was the stream, maybe I saw one of the thousands of television spots, maybe I was just hungry. The point is that marketing is very opaque and the bigger and more multi-faceted the campaign, the more opaque it becomes. You do market research, but ultimately you're throwing your money down a black hole and praying for good results.

>>56825003
Why? I don't give fuck about it.

>>56815474
>These girls are no longer idols.
>They are commercials for bad products.
My dude, thats exactly what idols ARE.

>>56815474
Both Riku Tatzumi and Yagoo are cashing out of the vtubing business, since they made their companies public sharing sells.

It's a smart move, by any metric Vtubing is losing popularity around the world, it will eventually lose it value as comapanies with the millions of indie vtubers and thousands of other companies out there.

>>56825064
Investors want coed, simple as that

>>56824852
Unfortunately remaining neutral as the hologirls do just means the dominant culture wins. For example, using their terms such as "trans" instead of tranny because it's vaguely offensive to some faggots on twitter already means they are conforming to the dominant culture and by extension encouraging it by desensitizing people to their "inoffensive" language.

tldr it's too late to start worrying about vtubers being politically censored. Not pushing back means you're losing by default

>>56823969
Any post with Ai-chan on it is true because shitposters are too young to know who she is.

>>56825064
You don't believe Horizontal has anything to do with global marketing? But just an avenue for talents to collab with men?
You also believe yagoo is the creator of horizontal?

Well, on both counts, the shareholder meeting revealed it was a company decision to diversify company trajectory into different markets, not just yagoo.
And on the male collab part, Horizontal stated its goal is to pair audiences to different sales sectors and create communities around it.
If you want to read that as homo collab you are willing to, but it seems more that its focused on commercial shillery.

>>56825243
only homobeggars ever truly memed yagoo to be the top idol, maybe its all coming together after all..

>>56825116
OP here, i explained all of this ITT if you want to browse it, i explained the money seed and how these large companies write off losses as gains based on theoretical return consumers that convert into brand ambassadors

I recommend reading the thread

>>56815474
THERE'S OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION

>>56825717
>2022
old news

>>56825450
I read that. I really don't see the relevance nor do I see how this is different or detrimental to Hololive in any way. You also completely defeat your original premise when you admit the truth that companies are perfectly fine taking short term losses on marketing efforts. You claim that this is different to the shill streams that we've always gotten, but you do nothing to flesh out that point. From the viewer's perspective this is not different. Even the example of collaborative skins that you use is not new or unique. Remember Cosmicube? The shilling was so hyper aggressive that you apparently completely forgot it even happened less than a year later.

>>56815474
>The golden age is over
>It's just a tournament with the men and women separated
For the record, the golden age was over long ago.

>>56815474
Yeah, okay, but I get THE Amelia Watson as a captain in the shitty game I play and she can sail around with me in a battleship. Seems like a good deal to me.

>>56815474
I've said for some time that I preferred when they were less popular and had to fight more in their streaming content, and that becoming mascot characters releasing tons of merch, sponsor products and spending more time doing things other than streaming related for business felt alienating for fans and dehumanizing for them.
This is the result.

>>56820108
>It's not gonna effect Holomems that's for sure.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you're opening yourself to a lot of grudgeposting in the future, friend. Never say never.
I personally don't expect any major effects on the Holomems, but I don't cross out the possibility that doesn't hold true.

>>56816499
Anon, jonging is a way of life. Also Fishman clearly didn't milk benefits out of it, but its been a healthy example of Phase community coming together. Their numbers got nothing on Holo stans.

>>56815474
I have popcorn and soda. I also have a sofa, an oshi who I really like, and a lot of free time.
I'm ready for pretty much anything.

You know what would be the best way to promote games? Give the girls fucking perms, maybe motivate them to pick up the game and even say something nice about it. Just a bit of stealth marketing like that is still better than sudden, forced sponsored collabs that no one likes, not even the participants. BG3 collab, no matter how shitty (thanks, Mori), will still have better reception than something like this OW2 one.

>>56815474
Nobody cared when Horizontal shilled Valorant early this month, or when Holos did many a sponsored stream in the past.
The answer is simple, strictly no mixed-gender interactions, and the fans will swallow anything. Cover should've known better, and now the female talents will suffer for it, as has happened so many times before.

>implying the golden age wasn't over after azur lane

>>56815474
I will now proceed to watch you, 2viewchama
fr fr

>>56825243
>"B-both sides are selling their share"
>no proof
mine will spawn in a shipyard in a week
maybe by next thread yours will

>>56815474
> chasse "unicorn" money pig
> shitty sponsored stream start popping more and more
> surprised pikachu face
I'll never forgive holostars for existing. Never.

>>56830854
They already had OW2 perms or at least have at points in the past, I distinctly remember mumei playing it with selen/ame; I think they have Blizz perms carte blanche as it is.

Thing is people just don't like overwatch """""2""""" because it's just overwatch and it's one of the dumber things blizz has done trying to pass it off as a sequel. should have basically called it anything but "2" because it isn't really one - sort of like how CS:GO is not-actually counter-strike 2. CS:GO is just a massive overhaul / update of CS:Source which was a massive overhaul / update of CS. different weapons, map updates etc actually those games are more different from each other especially in the gun physics/mechanics than Overwatch 2 is from OW. Yet Valve had the sense to not call any of them "counter strike 2" because a lot of shit still carries over from them and the main gameplay is still the same. after like 20 years, they finally are making a real CS 2. blizz jumped the gun by having something that was more like a major CS patch be """overwatch 2""" and people fucking know it.

>>56815474
>he bought the 'idol' meme
Holy newfag.

The golden age was when everyone went
>I like these [idols] (lol), but sometimes they really act like Idols.
Then you myth dorks came in and thought everything was real.

>>56815474
Not idols. Literally describing idols. What does he mean?

>>56831387
some holoJPs take it more seriously than others, most are """idols""" but some like suisei and PPT take it seriously. really there aren't a lot more than those however, Aqua-ish I guess too. so that's like less than 1 out of 10 JPs are that way, but those ones that are do take it seriously. even so the presence of them is respected by the other girls generally, they're not mocked for it and rather quite the opposite.

>>56815792
Kek

>>56815474
>The Golden Age is Over
No, the Golden age will return again!
https://youtu.be/XyHqgvje6Hk

>>56826273
OP has been a faggot for as long as 4chan has existed. It was old news 15 years ago

>>56815792
Feepy Beepy

>>56815474
They already became products in 2020. They became tools to shill products and instead of doing what they want to do they do what gets them money and numbers. You're nothing to them but a potential money bag and a number in their subscriber counter.
It's a bit sad that it took you this long to notice this. The smart ones jumped ship a long time ago.

>>56831614
Yeah because the first thread was made by moot

>>56815474
Why is this thread even here? It’s just some faggot whining about a retarded little moral crusade. Do the mods not care because they haven’t mentioned politics or religion? Because this is exactly the same evangelist horseshit dressed up to appeal to /v/tards.

>>56815474
Always has been.

Post your favorite vtuber ads (bangers only)

Kizuna Ai x Samsung phones https://youtu.be/AOHCRz4XnV8

Hololive x Nissin curry meshi https://youtu.be/3QJD9iekpDQ

DECO*27 x Hatsune Miku x Cup Noodle https://youtu.be/-H2PCK7DJsQ

Hololive x Advertisement(meta) - Shijoushugi Ad Truck https://youtu.be/1Zr6luBjDu8

Suisei x MOS Burger https://youtu.be/-cd3_AQ80SM

Ado x ONE PIECE https://youtu.be/1FliVTcX8bQ

>>56832877
How could you forget Tokyo Tower?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBmss54l5zc

I miss Kizuna Ai

>>56815474
Based

>>56825272
Didn't she have that anime that shilled NFTs?

>>56820083
You can't deny certain things when corporate has you under their thumb. Let alone when conglomerate corpos like Activision-Blizzard-Disney-Monsanto start offering incentives. You kiddies really are too stupid for this kind of talk...

>>56823969

>>56823930
Retard catalogue nigger

>>56824415
Imagine comparing fast food chain with gambling. What the hell are you on about retard?

>>56834724
I would argue that eating Taco Bell is a gamble.

>>56816658
More like 3. Hololive peaked in 2020 once 4th Gen was in the mix.

>>56815474
Giga based and truthpilled.
>>56816070
Extremely cringe post, blizzard intern.

>>56815792
206+ posts and the first post still couldn't be beat. Truly based.

>>56820598
Intern-kun working overtime to defend their favourite company i see

>>56825212
You said this because your oshi are is one of them, fag

>>56821195
Based. I will fight for it too, anon.

>>56815792
fpbp

>>56816777
My oshi might only make 800k instead of 950k??? How will she survive?

>>56815474
>These girls are no longer idols.
They're never were in the first place

>>56815474
>The Golden Age is Over
WE IN SILVER AGE NOW!
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

>>56815474
>Blizzard
OW2
>Tencent
Pokemon unite
What else am I missing?

>>56815829
Hate is a strong emotion. Apathy is more likely.

>>56815792
Bravo, fp

>>56815474
>They will put hololive skins in these games.
>You WILL buy them.
I vill.

>>56836352
This. My oshi makes 100x more salary than me. Oh my God how will she survive?

>>56821195
dude, you're so fucking cringe.
it's clear u dont know jackshit about idols, Idol shill shitty product all the time, no one cares.
as long the talent get treated well that's all what matters.

>>56823969
BASED
man i fucking miss 2017-2018ish vtuber era.
because it was by passionate otakus and fans.
the only era where they had sovlful content.

>>56815474
>You will buy the shit game, or your oshi will die by lack of company support.
Looks like what is happening to Total War because all DLC prices have been jacked up and Creative Assembly even told the customers that if they don't like the price hikes, they will end all support to Total War. The price hikes only happened because CA was developing (for five years) a BR FPS game called Hyenas.

>>56815792
Fpbp
Hang yourself OP

>>56815474
There is a word to describe this: gentrification.

>>56815792
/thread

>>56815829
Nips don't give a fuck about it.

The golden age begins NOW
https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1694696184223539569

>>56840811
HOLY SHIT!

>>56840811
We are SO back

>>56815474
What is the difference between these and the gachas they all used to shill constantly before the accidentaly becoming China's number 1 enemy

>>56815474
Hololive was always corporate as fuck, EN just did't have as many opportunities to be corporate until now. (But did take it when possible, wasn't Gura in a Taco Bell commercial or something?)
I sincerely don't get what you were expecting, as long as it doesn't influence normal streams it should be fine.

>>56823969
>Ai
Was running after pewdiepie like an idiot for clout
was corporate as fuck and every other video was shilling this or that
introduced the concept of pandering to chinks constantly
And despite all this she was still less corporate than her company, upd8

>>56815474
>The Golden Age is Over
You're like 4 years late on that one

>>56819435
>starfield arc inbound
Excuse me while I go and vomit at the thought. You're probably right too, m$ is trying to make inroads in jspan again right now.

>>56842900
I cannot believe the girls will play a game like that after playing a lot of elder scrolls and fallout. how can this be

Looks like Stars sisters will be crying because of Magni and Noir's graduations.

>>56820287
HoloFES already has sponsors you total retard.
They literally ran ads for them during the shows too.
I have the impression everyone complaining in this thread has never interacted with Hololive at all.

GOLDEN AGE REGAINED

>>56815474
>>56815792
>ITT: dumbass OP finally wakes up to the average corporate entertainment world
the "soul" you all constantly talk about was long gone before you even got here, there's no turning back

Hololive only grows stronger >:3

>>56840811
total homo death begins now!!

>>56840811

>>56823969
Rest in peace, oyabun and the heavenly kings

>>56820673
i was really looking forward to the pve content.

>>56815921
That makes too much sense. Get out.

>>56823969
dumbest post in this thread
kizuna ai era was in no way the golden age lmao stop coping
the golden age was 2020 from beginning to end
objectively the best most soulful content came from 2020

>>56850192
>Retard fist vtubers were holoEN

Shut the fuck up, EOP.

>>56823456
Fucking trannies cum eating cuckolds. All of the Hololive faggots. Bunch of normalfaggots. Go back to >>>/lgbt/

>>56823590
They are already bought by Blackrock trough Mitsubishi stock money.

>>56816552
All those mecha anime from the 70's and 80's were funded to sell the toys. Fucking Astro Boy was a merchandise empire. It's been there from the beginning and that's why it's hilarious to see all these people brainwashed by commie propaganda to go OMG THIS IS LITERALLY A DYSTOPIAN NIGHTMARE over every single thing.

>>56824664
That are two whores that doesn't know nothing about geopolitics. And even history. And filosofy. And anthropology. To even begin to talk about politics. Only are talking points from here. And not very intelligent points. Retarded points perhaps.

Anybody here still remember that vtubers in japan will be forced to doxx themselves by october?

>>56851582
At least it was about toys before, but yeah it's been in the works for a while.

>>56815792
fpbp

>>56854983
It hasn't been in the works, it is the works.
Anime and idol culture are both creations of Japan's capitalism. Complain as much as you want but it is what works and what gives results, everything else is idealist cope.

>>56857026
There has always been some commies here and there pushing their shit, that's all I'm saying.

>>56854558
Any updates on this one?

>>56815792
Excellent post. OP is delusional if he thinks real life idols are any different.