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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*>https://playboard.co/en/>http://ikioi-ranking.com/>https://vrabi.net/>https://www.vstats.jp>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-rankingHololive sites>https://holo.poi.cat/>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html>https://trackholo.live/en/>https://www.hololive-songs.com/Nijisanji sites>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly>https://twitter.com/2434rankings>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber>https://www.nijiuta.com/Twitch>https://sullygnome.com/>https://twitchtracker.com/>https://stats.roki.sh/Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp
>>56656595>EN4 on March 2024 or earlyIf it actually happened I would denounce grimposting forever. It would be the equivalent of Jap committing the homocaust.
>>56656874Recent clip numbers>>56602361>>56602387
>>56656865Mori passed Kobo because she just released an EP retardchama.
bijou is a leechcollaber.
Was curious and Holotori song is going to pass the second umisea song pretty soon and it already passed every NEGI*U song.
How do we save the holoen shitters>Floprys ccv is getting btfo by ironmouse and her music is getting btfo by enna's.>Shiori's last three streams were all under 6k and a return stream was strugglijg>twins down to 3k>mori, bae, and ame's ccv is plummeting even further>ina has plummeted without her drawing streams>bijou's at best a 6k streamer without raids or buff game(even her elden ring streams are dropping massivily)>
>>56655045Taiwan #1 Taiwan is a country. Why don't you do a Russia and embarrass yourself too trying to lay claim to it
What is the longest record between gen?How many days between Council and Advent?Also what is your prediction for JP7?
* YESTERDAY'S FINAL TALLY *>47,437: Tsukasa Tenkai (Indie)>40,640: Pekora (Hololive)>29,256: Fuwa (Nijisanji)>28,634: Subaru (Hololive)>28,355: Queue (Indie)>27,732: Nerissa (Hololive)>26,508: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)>19,907: Shion (Hololive)>19,105: Hololive (Hololive)>18,379: Fuwa (Nijisanji)>18,210: VOLTACTION (Nijisanji)>18,098: Korone (Hololive)>17,291: Towa (Hololive)>15,835: Fubuki (Hololive)>15,386: Watame (Hololive)>15,328: Lamy (Hololive)>15,281: Nene (Hololive)>14,673: GatchmanV (Indie)>14,484: Hinano (VSPO)>14,172: Ange (Nijisanji)>14,030: AZKi (Hololive)>13,600: Fuwamoco (Hololive)>13,289: Mio (Hololive)>13,144: IRyS (Hololive)>11,654: Korone (Hololive)>11,483: Met (VSPO)>11,435: Kagami (Nijisanji)>10,969: Hoshinova (Hololive)>10,291: Koyori (Hololive)>10,020: Polka (Hololive)
>>56656962sovl vs sovlessEven the EN ch debuff can't stop it
Give me 2022 holo EN back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf1mrDmGu2cThis teamate keeps getting recommended to me now. Fuck you /#/
Enna latest orisong - Mushroomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv4vIggzKOs255k viewsIRyS latest orisong - Moment of My Lifehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Rfg8R4lOU264kprevious orisong - Gravityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fevB6h3-kfE880kI am predicting Mushroom to pass Moment of My Life in a few days and it might get to 1M views before Gravity.
>bunch of watame shittingI just realized watame is that high on spotify because of reaper vs sheep.
>ENkeks learned a valuable lesson today.Thou shalt have no other gods before Peko-sama.... peko.
>>56656895>EN4 spring 2024>Homo banishment room>HoloEarth ramping up for release>Forced idolification of bad membersCover is on the cusp of total victory
>>56656988>AUGUST 2023 GOLDS1) Miko (Hololive) - 148,555 - Anniversary 3D Live2) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 53,484 - Radio Program3) Yashiro (Nijisanji) - 57,320 - Koshien Practice4) Ibrahim (Nijisanji) - 51,111 - Koshien Practice5) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 81,637 - Nijifes Announcement6) Pekora (Hololive) - 104,044 - Mario Party (w/ Marine, Kanata, Koyori)7) Flare (Hololive) - 55,591 - Anniversary Totsumachi8) Noel (Hololive) - 91,382 - Anniversary 3D Live9) Rikiichi (Nijisanji) - 39,244 - Koshien Siren Competition10) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 94,194 - Koshien Pre-Tournament Stream11) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 206,963 - Koshien A League12) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 215,338 - Koshien B League13) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 254,415 - Koshien Finals14) Pekora (Hololive) - 66,070 - Fate/Grand Order15) Aqua (Hololive) - 124,725 - Anniversary 3D Live16) Pekora (Hololive) - 42,994 - Only Up17) Shion (Hololive) - 95,618 - Anniversary 3D Live18) Maimoto (Nijisanji) - 180,341 - Graduation Bait19) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 134,582 - Koshien Highlights20) Mio (Hololive) - 70,279 - Birthday 3D Live21) Tsukasa Tenkai (Indie) - 47,437 - Mahjong League>PER COMPANY11x: Nijisanji9x: Hololive1x: Indie>PER STREAMER6x: Nijisanji3x: Pekora1x: Aqua, Flare, Fuwa, Ibrahim, Maimoto, Miko, Mio, Noel, Rikiichi, Shion, Tsukasa, Yashiro>2023 GOLDS>PER COMPANY156x: Hololive58x: Nijisanji8x: Indie5x: VSPO4x: Neo Porte>PER STREAMER54x: Pekora20x: Miko16x: Marine9x: Nijisanji8x: Subaru7x: Toya6x: Kuzuha5x: Aqua, Suisei, Yashiro4x: Hal, Hololive, Mio, Shiina, Towa3x: Chiroru, Fuwa, Iroha, Leos, Okayu, Koyori2x: Aki, Flare, Fubuki, Hinano, Ibrahim, Korone, Lamy, Lui, Maimoto, Nerumero, Salome, Shion, Tsukasa, Watame1x: Air, Ayame, Beni, Chloe, Choco, Fuwamoco, Gaku, Gura, Gundou, Hibari, Himawari, Ina, Kaede, Kanata, Kanato, Kiara, Laplus, Lize, Mel, Mito, Mori, Noel, Nose, Nozomi, Nui, Polka, Ponto, Qpi, Rikiichi, Roco, Ryushen, Ui
Post numbers. Shiori got cripple gold right? It's her return stream, would be bad if the dogs or bijou beat her.
>>56657006Come out of hiding, Vesper.
WHY WONT YOU BLEED
>>56657039Anon, this is the numbers thread. Watame is an amazing girl, but her music perform like shit for someone who try so hard to produce music, that's a fact.
>>56657006>Omegay's babies a.k.a. Council's eraI like 2023 more.
HOLOKEKS
I don't need EN4 and JP7 cause the bois entertain me enough
*YESTERDAY’S FINAL EN TALLY* >8/21 DAILY TALLY 25,408: Nerissa (Hololive) 13,600: FuwaMoco (Hololive) 13,144: IRyS (Hololive) 9,387: Kronii (Hololive) 8,919: FuwaMoco (Hololive) 8,395: Bijou (Hololive) 7,850: Ina (Hololive) 7,746: Mysta (Nijisanji) 7,511: Baelz (Hololive) >EN GOLDS FOR AUGUST 2023 1) Bijou (Hololive) - 26,316 - American Truck Simulator 2) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 28,132 - FuwaMoco Morning 3) Shiori (Hololive) - 24,103 - Advent Pajama Party 4) Shiori (Hololive) - 31,094 - Unarchived Karaoke 5) Mumei (Hololive) - 36,054 - Birthday Stream 6) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 33,109 - Karaoke Stream 7) Nerissa (Hololive) - 26,823 - Monetization Karaoke 8) Gura (Hololive) - 20,176 - Night Security 9) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 18,197 - Overcooked (w/ Bijou) 10) Fauna (Hololive) - 13,792 - Pokemon Unite Tournament 11) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 16,685 - PHOGS 12) Gura (Hololive) - 20,185 - Phone Games 13) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 28,329 - Karaoke Stream 14) Mori (Hololive) - 19,674 - Offcollab (w/ Marine & Baelz) 15) Bijou (Hololive) - 15,654 - Holocure 16) FuwaMoco (Hololive) - 23,148 - Japanese Stream 17) Nerissa (Hololive) - 14,106 - Powerwash Simulator (w/ Baelz) 18) Gura (Hololive) - 15,562 - Holocure 19) Ina (Hololive) - 19,894 - Fate/Grand Order Sponsor (w/ Kronii) 20) IRyS (Hololive) - 53,910 - 3D Showcase 21) Nerissa (Hololive) - 25,408 - Unarchived Karaoke >PER COMPANY 21x: Hololive >PER STREAMER 6x: FuwaMoco 3x: Gura, Nerissa 2x: Bijou, Shiori 1x: Fauna, Ina, IRyS, Mori, Mumei >POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt) 58p: FuwaMoco 24p: Nerissa 23p: Gura 21p: Bijou 20p: Shiori 8p: Mumei 7p: IRyS 6p: Kiara, Mori 5p: Fauna, Ina 3p: Luca, Mysta
>>56656981Pretty sure EN got the record a few weeks before Advent debuted.
>>56656942Is this out of date?https://songstats.com/artist/j1w7zab9/kobo-kanaeru 529k/mohttps://songstats.com/artist/iao7b4fq/mori-calliope 501k/mo
>>56656942Mori was going up pretty regularly since the Future Island/REOL song drop, meanwhile Kobo dropped from nearly 1M monthlies to under 530kon the upside the fall slowed down a bit, the first couple weeks after the hype died down she was losing like 50k a day
>>56657125Yeah, Mori is at 530K, Kobo is at 528K
>>56657036Ouch, that's rough for irys
>>56656895>>566570542024 ALL OUT WAR
>>56657117>2023 EN GOLDS>PER COMPANY174x: Hololive55x: Nijisanji3x: Holostars1x: Idol>PER STREAMER22x: Fauna21x: Gura, Mori17x: IRyS, Mumei14x: Ina13x: Baelz, Kronii10x: Amelia9x: Kiara, Mysta, Vox7x: FuwaMoco4x: Pomu, Selen, Shu3x: Bijou, Nerissa, Nina, Ren2x: Alban, Finana, Hololive English, Ike, Luca, Shiori, Wilson1x: Enna, Elira, Flayon, Fulgur, Luxiem, Millie, Petra, Regis, Roca, Rosemi, Sonny, Vesper, Bandage>2023 POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 5pts, silver = 3pts, bronze = 1pt)216p: Fauna166p: Ina160p: Mori150p: IRyS141p: Mumei121p: Baelz114p: Gura101p: Kronii91p: Kiara83p: Amelia80p: Mysta74p: Vox64p: Luca63p: FuwaMoco37p: Shu31p: Selen27p: Nerissa26p: Bijou25p: Pomu24p: Nina, Shiori19p: Ike16p: Ren15p: Enna, Fulgur14p: Sonny, Uki13p: Finana, Millie11p: Axel10p: Alban, Elira, Hololive English, Wilson9p: Vesper7p: Regis6p: Rosemi, Bandage5p: Flayon, Luxiem, Petra, Roca4p: Magni, Bringer3p: Bettel, Hakka, Kotoka, Poko1p: Kyo, Maria, Meloco, Shinri, Pippa
Do you think the fact that Nerissa refuse to use fanart for her thumbnail while eventually impact the numbers of fanart she gets?I know artist works on dopamine, and while she certainly like everything under the sun on Twitter, it doesn't compare to having your art used as a thumbnail
>WHAT NUMBERS ARE YOU SEEING
>>56656962Is the second one the one that only had Ina Gura background vocals somewhere in the middle? I kind of got pissed off that they seemed to be cutting them out of that one and didn't listen to it past the first listen. Been doing my reps with the new one but doesn't seem like others are.
That's a mori soundpost
Perfect numbers soundpost from Mori just now.
>>56657117>all cripple golds this month have reached the tallyENbros we are so back
>WE DON'T NEED EN4!>WE NEED TO DEBUT DA BOIS SO IT BALANCE OUT!>TEMPUS 3 AND 4 NEXT YEAR!
>>56657129Anon, you cracked the code, release song will increase your spotify listener, especially if you're doing popular collabs. But it will eventually drop down and settle to a lower number.
>>56657125only a bitalso Kobo is bouncing back a bit, so the retention might be a bit better than expected
>>56657173Where are those numbers from? On spotify itself somewhere?
What a stupidly long z
>>56657054this is the kind of moment where hubris can be someone's downfall. It happened in 2022. I hope they learned from that.
i'm impressed a holomem's own clip of their concert song got this many views. Usually you see it from other clippers instead of other holomems doing it themselves and even then it usually nets way lower views than their concert vod
Anons.Friends.Are we at the point where NijiEN is realistically closer to competing with idol corp than they are holoEN? The moment Mysta graduates their top vtuber is gonna be literally pippa level… everyone is either a 3view or a 1k ccv streamer. That’s literally closer to idol corp these days than the EN behemoth that is hololive right now kek
>>56657199Yeah, which is why it's funny that they used them for the thumbnail.
>>56656981Longest was Council -> Advent, I don't remember the exact # of days, but it was over 700. HoloX -> JP7 was ~100 days behind at the time and may catch up to the record at this rate.
>>56657257From spotify itself.
>>56657258SEA botted numberswho cares
>>56657235there's a diff in losing 40k over a month and losing 400kMori/Suzy never got to Kobo's range but their fluctuations are never that aggressive either
>>56657054>HoloEarth ramping up for releaseThere's no way it's releasing in 2024. There's barely any content there yet
>>56657257If you go to artists page on spotify it says how many monthly viewers they have.
>>56657287That has been the case since the day the chinks left. NijiEN's only win this year was against a 3 person HoloEN
>>56657278unravel is buff
>>56657257Go on Spotify and click the icon for artist. On desktop it also shows top 10 songs views
>>56657318>>56657340Thanks found it
>>56657287>NijiEN looking at their viewcounts after Mysta graduates while this plays in the backgroundhttps://youtu.be/6D4mOnSifzIUnironically would be a God-tier shitpost
>>56657287Phase is bigger than Idol
>>56657287Petition to create a nijien/idolen person tally
>>56657330Mory/Suzy has some EP and Kobo only has one Indonesian song to loop.
>>56657307Yea, made me hate it even more. Seemed like they were trying to trick me. Like advertising a movie with an actor I like in it and he only has a cameo at the end.
>>56657258Kobo also only have 2 (recently 3) songs on her spotify. Her viewers numbers are fucking insane considering that fact.
>>56657390What's the current ranking for the mid-tier corpos?
Mori could've been EN marine if she wasn't influenced by TT and her friends. She should've listened to milky and her jp senpais more.
>>56657278That unravel is godly though. It is definitely the highlight of her concert. Also her Another World has good views too. One thing weird is that not a single vsinger I know tried to sing another world before. Palette and Stellar Stellar are common but some other songs from Watame and few others that I can't remember but I definitely heard before from other vsingers. I wonder why no one wanted to cover Kanata's Another World.
>>56657287The three Luxiems that aren't Vox pull like 4k to 5k. Ethyria I think hits 3k. Everybody else is below that.
>>56657329They said it's releasing in 2024. May just be the beta or something though. I think Character creation is in october though.
Collab soon especially with ayame, i beleb.
>>56657329Maybe not full release as a game, but perhaps they've worked on it enough to properly use it for the concerts and events they talked about.
>>56656962>Kiara fought management and made Holotori a reality and also massive success>Nene enjoyed favoritism from management by being shoved into groups with actually popular holos like NegiU but every group she is in has floppedWhy is Nene such a failure compared to Kiara?
It's almost like we are back in 2021...
>>56657476>Character creationMissed opportunity to have the players just be customisable mascots. Running around as an SSRB or Takodachi would be awesome
>>56657411TwoShe has two actually
>>56657431nah, her second song got itself into a national top list and that's why it explodedshe had bit more expected numbers before that, around 180k (still pretty insane for HoloID)
>>56657185Anon she's tech illiterate I bet she's having trouble cropping the fan art and use it for thumbnails.
>>56657431Her listener saturation is also pretty amazing, the very definition of blowing up in your home country. Probably worth less in revenue since it's all ID.
>>56657528Holotori is carried by Subaru.
>>56657378Someone edit this to a video of Vox's face slowing fading out while the text from his numbers rant scrolls up the screen.
>>56657468Honestly, I think even Luca will get lower viewers once Mysta leaves. If they have something that resembles a box, many of Mysta's fans will leave Niji and the other males could take a hit.
>>56657448Milky literally tried to get in with Connor and said he was super sexy. At least use Ci or something.
How are you coping /vt/?Are you ready to admit you're wrong? ready to admit you're faggots?Mori's back, fuck you all.
I'm gonna be so fucking pissed if advent actually causes mori to incline
>>56656297it's called having a personality
>>56656874Not vtu->Gold ShipNevermind
>>56657006Go away, grimfag.
>>56657542Here. I’ll give you something even worse to look at. The gargantuan fall of NijiEN
>>56657573To be fair, this is what you're expecting from an holoID branch. Get big in their home market. Mori having her listener being from almost anywhere but US feels like you're failing the assignement.
>>56657506So was the whole "20+love hotel visits in a month" BS?
>>56657551They have been floating the idea of mascots for concerts. I saw them talking about that around the first one. Not sure if it's going to be like a transformation for concerts or what.
>>56657573 (Me)Mori and Suzy's listener distribution for comparison. Suisei has less monthly numbers but her listeners are more concentrated in regions she's popular in, even though Spotify isn't as widely used in Japan.
>>56657468If by Ethyria you mean Enna. Reimu and Millie are both hanging out in the regular 3view club and most of Luxiem are closer to 3k than 5k.
>>56657621I mean if Koyonaise can get away with it...
>>56657621Don't worry, it's Mori. She will ruin it again anyway.
>>56657584It's Kiara's brainchild alongside HoloTalk which is also the most successful hololive talkshow. Meanwhile Nene is known only for stealing art and being a chink.
>>56657584Kiara is literally the center bro.
>>56657726>>56657714And it would still be a flop if Subaru wasn't in it.
>>56657668>17K ValoReal numbers btw. Do the buspops even get that much with valo?How did people fall for that shit.
>>56657689Nobody fucking cares if it is not on stream. Asoul is pretty much cgdct to the core.
>>56657621Tell the other girls to stop being sperges and ask for collabs.
>>56657621If it gets her away from making a new sqwad with da bois and tagging a new girl along then I can tolerate that
>>56657743Do JPcucks really?
>>56657584Not only does NegiU also have Subaru, it also has Aqua, yet Holotori is far more well known and popular. Maybe people just don't like Nene and think she's annoying and shouldn't be in hololive.
>>56657620BIG UPS GIRLS THANKS FOR THE RAID DEADBEATS SAY HI TO THE NEWCOMERS BUY THE ALBUM PLEASE
Serious question anons what killed NijiEN? it was really the chinks? or was the lack of support of the company?
>advent tripping over each other trying to bleed their success for a deservedly dying branch of shitters
>>56657813More than anything it was the talents themselves
APOLOGIZE TO MORI NOW /#/
>>56657621nigga is mori look at the retention differential from week 1, the great filtering is already begun
>>56657774And a Ching Chong to you too bug
>>56657743>implying Subaru isn't in NegiUNegiU barely has any collabs while Holotori has tons, both Subaru and Aqua don't like Nene, they prefer to spend their time with Holotori and Startend respectively. Towa and Suisei don't like hanging out with Nene either so when there's so many holos around that don't like her you have to wonder what her problem is.
Saw this on tweeter and all I could think was "God I want to suck on Sana's tits so bad"
>>56657813for their male vtubers it was chinese fujos leavingfor their female vtubers it was behaving like and being unironic whores
So we are being raided again?
>>56657668It was really wild that there was a time that Luxiem could do multi-POV collabs where they almost all got 10k.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ed8xFqDOm74brratkek, why is Mumei more flexible than Bae?
>>56657813No it was the antis that got to their heads.
>>56657802>>56657803KFPiss...
Did they really go back to China or am I worrying over nothing
>>56657903>both Subaru and Aqua don't like Nenewhat the fuck is this retarded rrat
qrd on bijou?
>>56657690The difference betweenMori kakkoiMori cringe
>>56657948she cute
>>56657813Probably both.Jumping on short term gains with no stability (chinks) and then crashing back to reality, plus the concert cancellation for a huge hit to morale.
Man fuck raids, mori has no business hitting main tally with this stupid ass kusoge
>>56657903>t. Catalogreader
>>56657906> both deadKek. Pako...
Who's Nerissa JP oshi?
KFP is really trying to shit on Nene after she carried their whore 3D debut ? That's fucking pathetic
So, the way Subaru moves in 3d, She appears to be sticking her chest forward and her ass out. It's really hot. Like she's just begging to be fucked a hundred different ways.
Can someone post "All-out War" again? I need it for a shitpost
>>56657938Subaru has done more holotori collabs than negiU collabs, go count the numbers retard. Or maybe watch streams, she always sounds like she's having way more fun with holotori than with Nene
>>56657922You can thank me for that. Youre welcome
>>56657930It's all over taiwanese news, only redditors are trying to cope by deluding themselves.
https://twitter.com/LichVtuber/status/1693746673837588753?s=19
>>56658025>>56657903Same guy.
>>56657668will mysterio even mog sana?
>>56658025The only metric where Nene is competitive with Kiara is in CCV and that's not counting the cull. Kiara mogs Nene in every aspect of a being a holo that matters.
>>56657974>Mumei in the tally with raidBASED BASED BASED>Mori in the tally with raidRRRRRREEEEEEE
>>56658045Gokischizo is cute today too!
>>56657930Their main proof is a leak that literally says>First condition: Do to Haachama what you did to RushiaIf you think they're gonna do that, then worry about Cover going to China. If you think they'd never do that, then you know they aren't going back.
Flopvent isreal
>>56658059Can't the TW fans just fight back to repel the Chink menace? What's holding them up?
A lot of girls are probably intimidated by Nene because she has a successful career outside of Hololive.
Can someone explain to me why do I frequently see threads in the catalog and sometimes here that keep saying how Selen is trapped in a black company and that she deserves better and that she (lol) should join hololive. Is it just one fan trying to push this or do multiple people honestly believe it.
>>56658036
>>56657813Never, ever trust that trend-hopping women are going to stick around. Male fans are way more loyal.
>>56658045can I get a link to a stream where she demonstrates ANY sort of animosity towards nene
>>56657431Huh, I've listened to Mantra Hujan a number of times (fun, upbeat song even if I don't speak indog) but never noticed it was less than 2 minutes long.
>>56658133Nijibeggars
>>56658133She was the most popular member during the Lazusydia days so it's probably just old fans wanting to relive the glory days
>>56658107Difference is Mumei could conceivably get it organically. Mori needs a whole gen to prop her fat ass up
>>56658166Perfect
>>56658107Moom good
>>56658111>muh schizoRemind me again which unit Nene is in for hololive summer splash party, heh. No one wants to work with her.
Must be nice that all these advent tourists get to experience mori 6.0, they'll never know of all the embarrassing yabs of the past
>>56658120Because if the return is just hologra and some vods on their official channels in exchange for game perms then it's a nothingburger. Holo's vods are already uploaded there by pirates, it's just more official now.
This feels like HoloEN hayday vs NijiEN pre-Luxiem again
>>56658100>anime VA>VN VA>cameo in manga>playboy cameo>anime ED song>multiple rhythmn game collabs>Nissin sololiveSure KFPiss. Has Kiara stopped leeching on actual popular chuubas yet?
Mori is good now? Did bijou really saved her?
I really thought Shiori was going to get around 15k for her return stream. Was it really just because of overlap? I highly doubt Rockfuckers and Dogfuckers are interested in watching a Shiori zatsu.
>>56658229Gokischizo you are the cutest thread schizo! Keep it up!
>>56658257Cute newfag
>inclines>inclines>inclines>inclines>inclinesSUGEEEEE /#/ YOU LOOK STRONG, LET'S FIGHT!!
>>56658179If she liked her more NegiU would have actual collabs outside of shilling shit. She doesn't, she's just too professional to beef with another holo onstream. This isn't nijisanji where their streamers start drama all the time.
I miss Fauna
>>56658111Imagine hating on the most unity gen in Hololive.
>>56658228Mori has been quite for a while now, I wonder if her yab days are behind her and she will just slowly fade into irrelevancy
>>56658133I actually want to spit on the people who believe she belongs in hololive. She collabs with a shit ton of males, has an ego that puts even mori to shame and terribly uncouth and disgusting. She belongs in the shithole that niji. She had her glory days in niji so be happy she had a good run.
>>56658257>playboy cameooh this one caused one of the TTfags seethe so hard
Saw this on my frontpage and thought ame was pulling a surprise guerilla, was about to make a debuffson joke
>>56658059Source? Bet you can't even read chinese.
>>56658257>trying to argue Nene isn't a massive depressed runtDO JPNIGGERS REALLY?
>>56658118Aren't their numbers way better than Council at the same timeframe?
>>56658289>Was it really just because of overlap?No that's cope.
>>56658289Shiori just filters people with her intense monologuing and GFE bait.She was below Biboo before the break and she will continue the same after it.
>>56658348>Mori has been quitequite what?
>>56658368She's cuter than Ame and told beggars to fuck off
>>56658166Do you think the people in this image ever think back to this momentI wonder how they feel now
>>56658370I'm sorry KFPiss. You guys couldn't even make a billboard for Kiara. Imagine losing to fucking Takos
>>56658257Now that I think about it why the fuck does Nene get so much shit? She isn't even popular. Nene is the definition of an industry plant.
>>56658390>>56658348quiet***
>>56658373Not at all.But council had covid buff so it's a completely different game
What is it about the combination of Kiara, Subaru, Lui, Reine, and Mumei that makes it so much more successful and popular than the combination of Marine, Gura, Aqua, Ina, and Chloe?Given the names involved with Umisea, one would never think a song from Holotori would be absolutely demolishing a song from Umisea in popularity.
>>56656962Kiara has Koreans who spam her songs.
>>56658348Mori has dedicated the next year to Hololive only.
>>56658308
>checked vrabiHOLY REDIRECT GALORE!
>>56658362That one was funny
>>56658406OH NO PLEASE KEEP GOING, THIS IS HILARIOUS. TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW SUCCESSFUL FUCKING NENE OF FUCKING GOKISEI IS.
>>56658257>anime VAManagement shilled for her>VN VASame as above>manga cameoAnother management-granted opportunity>playboy cameoArticle written by a literal retard who doesn't know anything about vtubers and just randomly picked a name>anime ED songManagement shilling again>rhythm game collabsManagement, see above>Nissin sololiveYou guessed it, managementMeanwhile everything Kiara has done she accomplished it herself despite management fighting her every step of the way. If you think she hasn't spoke at length about how management has been incompetent and neglectful towards her and holoEN you don't watch streams
>>56657060day has barely made it through the halfway point
>>56658375>>56658382Want to know how I know you're brown?
>>56658390cute
>>56658289Shiori will probably have a smaller but more dedicated fanbase. That by itself isnt that bad.
>>56657621Isn't it better if she inclines while staying inside the walled garden? It'll show that the viewers are here for Hololive and none of that Holopro unity garbage.
>>56658424Holotori interacts in public whereas I don't even remember if umisea actually interacts outside of studio.
>>56658133It's not just SelenYou see this "begging" for every girl, from Enna (hello irysschizo) all the way to ScarleTheir fans recognize that niji EN is a sinking ship and are dreaming that holo EN could pick them upAnd this was the case even before advent rejuvenated the branchIf you thought holo EN was doing bad since winter last year until advent, that's got nothing on the catastrophe that is niji EN
>>56657378>>56657593
>>56658462>>56658458>two different postersdamn, its not just gokischizo some en fag actually got pissed lmao
>>56658289>15kI doubted she will hit 10k. She did, which is amazing. Too bad her content will filter many.
>>56658133>Can someone explain to me why do I frequently see threads in the catalog and sometimes here that keep saying how Selen is trapped in a black company and that she deserves better and that she (lol) should join hololive.Tribalfag retards, mostly underage and from low income families can't fathom watching FREE entertainment from multiple companies or indie vtubers.All other answers are pretty much trolling at this point.
>>56658468because that's all you can say about people who say anything you don't approve by shiori since you ran out of excuses?
>>56658348she had her fun and is now ready to settle down with her "real deadbeats" who were patiently waiting
>>56658499Cute newfag
>>56658410Nepolabo is popular but gen5schizo has convinced nigger here that they aren'thttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/hlPajukZbdwOne of the JP gen to get full 1M subs isn't something unpopular
>>56658424New thing means people want to see it more. Same reason why debut buff exists. Also they're shilling chloe hard in this latest umisea stuff so.....yeah
>>56658498Hot take: the concert getting cancelled killed NijiEN.
>Advent is the Calliope Mori street teamWorst timeline
>>56658410Nene was sucking p-san cocks for years before hololive to get shit, something something leopards and spots.
>>56658499>muh gokischizo boogeymanJust because people rightfully point out that gen 5 has gotten way more opportunities than Myth but are still far less popular 2 years later doesn't mean they're schizos for disagreeing with your delusional last samurai world
>>56658424In the perspective of the fans UMISEA was something that suddenly dropped. Versus holotori which has been a talent-driven grouping with fan support years ago. It doesn't matter how many big names you have in your group if your own talents don't give much of a crap about it, compared to a grouping that already has built-in fans due to community-created memes.
>>56658488>Isn't it better if she inclines while staying inside the walled gardenNo because laughing at mori's decline is my entire personality
Mori is redeemed. the only whores left in Hololive are Kronii and Bae now. Council is truly the worst gen
>>56658390Voluptuous
>56658547this is bait
>>56658554>ESL englishBROWN!
>>56658491Aquamarine interact quite frequently with each other, but I can't really comment on the others.
>9kwtf??
>>56658424>Novelty>Catchiness >Both JP and ID viewers feel special for being flavor in a English song>Animation is great and cute>Continuation of animators already viral video>Hologra shilling capturing casual fans who would like the songSometimes less is more
>>56658289What type of retard do you have to be to think someone would get 15k for a chatting stream in the middle of 4 other streams, 2 being from your own genmates and one having 11k viewers prior to you starting?No really, please tell me your logic behind your reasoning because I genuinely don’t understand it. Like dude I’m pretty fucking sure Fauna came back from dead cat and got 7k, and she was the #2 EN pre-advent so where are you getting the 15k under overlap?
>>56658623Natural incline, baby
>>56657621>Tempiss kill Mori's numbers>Advents saves her ass>Mori will be literally forced to kneel and accept that CGDCT was the true path all alongthat would be hilarious
>>56658403do i think mysta thinks back to the time he was depressed?no he lives in the present
>>56658289Man imagine how much Shiorifags would be bragging if she was at the top right now. Its lucky pebblefags keep to themselves mostly
>>56658488wow holofags really are suckers. You'd rather she be fake and lyin' than be real.
I wonder if the CGDCT faction in EN is waiting for the whole month to end before collabing with Advent. So far, only Mori, Kiara and Bae have collabed with them.
Mori's UMG contract is less impressive when even AI can get signed to UMG.
>>56658629>muh overlap copeyou forgot to do the supa cope too
>>56658623Early 2021 Mori is back
>>56658568>small handful of fans had to make a billboard ad>because Cover knew they weren't popular enough to justify spending money on from a corpo perspectiveNeed I remind you that Cover PAID for multiple big screen ads in Japan to advertise Connect the World while nothing for T4U? Corpos don't spend money pushing crap they know will fail.
>>56658289>Mori>#4poetry
>>56658580Gokischizo would look cute in a sundress
>>56657315>Council -> Advent, I don't remember the exact # of days, but it was over 700What a crime that was, goddamn. For male vtubers, on top that.
>>56658369https://games.yahoo.com .tw/hololive-china-083412734.html
>>56658419? Anon?You know Bae was getting 3k for game streams 1-2 weeks after debuting right? And this isn’t even including Sana who was a giga shitter from the start. Advent are doing MILES better than council. Stop treating council as 5 Kronii’s. That’s just stupid as hell to do
>>56658462>Nene who is not part of Holo27 and Blue Journey is somehow management's favoriteFucking idiot
>>56658595learn to laugh at shiori
>>56658118Im seeing 11k though
>>56658668>You'd rather she be fake and lyin' than be real.yeah that's how corpo vtubing should work, sorry you got irony poisoned along the way go watch fleshstreamers for your reality check
>>56658498Bandage, Bringer, and Wilson are almost 3views in average already? They only debuted a couple months ago, right?
>>56658629I remember Shiorifags telling us how popular she is though
You love Mori.
>>56657903Depression
>>56658580>they are actually madgod i remember the seethe in global when holoX done their group song at holofes, EN fags are hilarious
>>56658166Mysterio... He didn't want to tribalfag... he just wanted to be saved... we failed him...
>>56657036What is this schizo shit?
>>56657974>stupid ass kusoge
>>56658699From another article but what's with the 144p yagoo kek
>>56658424For once, they can interact in one language, as Lui and Subaru can talk and understand English.Second, most of the unit are outgoing girls, with only Mumei beinh the shy one.Third, they all collab or at least interact with each other frequently.Umisea don't.
>>56658672Council are busy with stuff in japan to care about collabing right now. Gura is Gura.
>>56658499Oh no, multiple people are nooooticing. Quick shut down discussion and just write them off as a schizo, lest they upset our mental image of the JP ubermensch. Sad fucking stuff for a thread that's supposed to not be a hugbox.
>>56658700that sounds like a lie
>>56658768>b-but what about Fauna
please don't retweet art from homobeggar artists Fuwamoco...
>>56658766>anon doesn't know what pre 2010 vocaloid was like
>>56658623Man that brief moment where mori was considering moving to fauna's timeslot to avoid advent overlap was so fucking dumb.Being a raid baby is working out so much better for her
>>56658699Yea you can't read chinese.
>>56658781cry about it sister
>>56658699That's not what "being all over taiwanese news" means
>>56658707Compared to Kiara? Yeah. Don't even try to argue that she hasn't gotten much more favorable treatment compared to Kiara who literally had to figure things out on her own and earn sponsorships the hard way instead of just lying on her back.
>>56658574It's more like Mori and Kiara are the only responsible senpai who will collab with Advent. Everyone else just doesn't fucking care.
So I keep hearing about HoloES. This was the biggest ES vtuber I could find playing Holocure. How can you be worse than EU?
>>56658707DECO picked the members for HOLO27
>>56658788chu~
>>56658771for all the mememe shit kiara gets she's certainly pushing her group hard.
>>56658810I did. It wasn't the kind of music for me though.
Just took a new photo with my wife
>>56658788Nigga he's just pointing out that the "stupid ass kusoge" gets numbers
>>56656895There will be another massive stream drought if EN4 doesn't debut by then, considering, that's during Holofes/Expo and Advent's 6month anniversary. Myth, Council, and Advent will all be busy. Who would we have to rely on for streams ID4?
Sister mysta got mogged by IRyS TWICE and Shiori mogged Lucucks new outfit, instead of shitting up the thread, maybe go watch Luca and save him from graduating.
>>56658790Is there any homo in it? If not how are they supposed to know?
>>56658289bijou grew out of her runt status huh
>>56658851try to find one on Twitch
>>56658841>Gura: i've been too much over council on debut i have to lean back>Mumei: the first month is very important better to let them grow>Fauna: when things settle down i can't wait to collab with my kouhai>Takamori: please save my channel
>>56657278>>56657278Thats cus the clipper got 500k views themselves too>1.1 Million view 3D Live>1.3 M views on the unravel (stealing from the concert)>500k on the clipper channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYChYs1vzmc
>>56658820Enlighten me then roru, 懂哥。
>>56658623Why is Mori such a dogwhistling slut?
>>56657885Nigger her retention is great look at the graph
>>56658893>Sapling FanI fucking hate bandwagoning faggots
>>56658699>yahoo newsroru rumao
>pitting nene and kiara against one anotherwhat the fuck has this thread come to?
>>56658930We dont deserve the wisdom and grace that exudes from SNO
>Mori is now a raid babyFucking KEK
>>56658900>busy>bc of holofes>in marchwhat
mandated raid from management. mori has to stay relevant at all cost
>>56658920by clicking on their profile
>>56658930Kiara I can kind of get with Nerissa, but Mori and Bae are just pathetic
>>56658929I've never used twitch before. Maybe I'll install the app if Gura streams there or something.
>>56658919ShioRyStokek
>>56658833Kiara only has to fight Mori to get sponsors. Do you even realize the competition in JP? No one likes Kiara enough to even throw money on her
>>56658939Now post a niji raid graph
>>56658834>>56658950It's all over other news site and even the taiwanese aren't coping as much as you guys which is funny.
Huh, just saw this when looking at holodex
>>56658933>The usual Taiwanese media style clickbait>B2 channel uploaded hologra>List of rumours (rrats)Yep it is official, holo is going back to cn. Also lmao yahoo news.
>>56658939I got tossed into that stream twice tonight and she seems like a decent streamer.
>>56658967>Advent only exists to prop up takamori
Uh iryscucks? Enna passed Chikyuu Saigo no Kokuhakuin in 4 days
>>56659030I don't even know what you're talking about
Im going to impregnate Mumei
>>56658967Literally yesterday IRyS got 2 raids while Mori was streaming
>>56659074gazzunheit
>>56659074>fundraiser
>>56659098biboo is happy to raid anyone, it is exceedingly cute
>>56659085Yeah I'm doing it.
Why the fuck does Mori have +9k? What happened
https://games.yahoo.com .tw/holobili23-014959376.htmlMOST?
>>56659030Yea we are definitely coping,just like last time when Foobs was about to apologise to cn 'fans' right?
>>56657467Yoshika does NENENENENENE and Marine's songs pretty regularly, and she's not the only one to do Treasure Box and the follow ups.
>>56658989Hi egg
Why is the baker posting umas I mean, based and technically Golshi is a vtuber but why
>>56659171Rrats on the telly!
>>56659171KEKKEKEKEKEKEKMOST INFLUENTIAL THREAD
>>56658787Bae had one game stream that did that badly early onSimilar to Advent, Council debut buff mostly wore off in 2 weeks, then came another buff period once the collab ban ended, especially with MC being red hot back then
>>56659171HOLY KEK.
>>56659171literally 4chan shitposts as "source"
>>56659171Most influential thread chads, I kneel.
>>56659171holy kek /#/ on the news
>>56659171THE MOST INFLUENTIAL THREADDDDDD
>>56659171holy shit MOST indeed
>>56659171Friendly reminder that taiwanese are as disgusting as chinks and we only stand them because they are "on our side"
>>56659098Wasnt one of them an accident
>>56659171/#/ runs the vtubing industry btw
I really hate how the backing vocals of the "Tori Powa" part of the Holotori dance are so fucking muted. Why was that decision made? It just sounds so muffled and ugly.
>>56658424Because they were born from memes. The song is full of memes as well.Umisea in other hand is just a corporate made subunit. The songs are fun still but memes will always have the power to get more numbers
>Cover doesn't own the B2 accounts
>>56659171
>>56658699>yahoo 'news'Yea reliable journalism like>>56659171 am I right?
>>56659171well if that's their source it must be true then! Hololive back in China!
>>56659234>one game streamYeah literally 1
>>56659234You retards are seriously arguing because that brown retard posted a screencap from literally the moment Shiori started streaming by the way.
>>56659171>Source /#/ Numbers, Emphasis:OursAward winning journalism
>>56659171Truly THE MOST INFLUENTIAL
>>56659171Someone needs to update this now
>>56658967Anyone counting how many raids each mem got since advent (re)started raid culture?
>>56658967Weird as it seems, Bijou did not appear to raid Mori, it's a funnel.
>>56658644>kneelinglol lmaoshe's doing the WITH MY FRIENDS bit again
>>56659293>source: a 4chan post
>>56658893I listened to that green Scottish vtuber and it made me realize how badly I want Fauna to tongue fuck my ears
Thoughts?
>>56659171MOST
>>56659243Taiwanese (and most Chinese language) content farms are infamous for things like thisSearching on TW yahoo apparently SETN news also made an article but at least they didn't try to cite any rumors or tieba posts. https://www.setn.com/News.aspx?NewsID=1341992
>>56659386this but with Mumei included
>>56659293>>56659345Cannot imagine someone lying on 4chan
>>56658672Gura talked about being too overbearing early on with Council and wanting to avoid doing the same to Advent. Mumei also was explicitly in favor of the one month ban and would avoid initiating anything until then. Not sure if the others have said anything about it.
>>56659389>it was revealed to me in a dream
>>56659389>Thoughts?It's Wednesday morning in China.
>>56659304All of the news are not concluding the return of china because there is no official announcement from cover yet and is just posting their own opinions and rumours from the net. You know this if you know how to read.
>>56659293>citing his own postyeah
>>56659032Oh this was the song they did in Ame's showcase. I wonder if it finally getting released after over 5 months means Chammers will be back relatively soon.
SorAZ bros, why do our songs get holostars-tier amount of views?
>>56659376why even type thisits not true but also its not likeanythingits not anything. you typed nothing. why did you do that.
>>56659376Stone Luna learning not to torture her fans. She will grow in the future
So how do we get Mori's fatass on TMZ?
>>56659457>/#/ in charge of calendar
>>56659497>Collab with homosYeah, I wonder why.
>>56659461>You know this if you know how to read.Fortunately, I'm not chinese
>>56659389batsoup
>>56659171/#/GODSWe're inclining!
>>56659498>why post complete lies in /#/because sometimes people don't point out that you're completely making shit up and it gets carried forward and repeated by posters as common knowledge for yearst. responsible for half the shit posted on /hlg/ about holos no one watches
>>56659497Youtube hates record label chuubas.
>>56659171this place is about to become an ever bigger cesspool
>>56659049people here and maybe in older fandoms have hang-ups over past shit, but if you're an Advent newbie and get tossed into her stream randomly, you see a Mori that generally enjoys herself, talks about her cats a lot and goes on tangents about other Holos (or Homos, but that's increasingly rare)
>they're actually using fucking /#/ shitposts as sources in news articles, then running back to try and shill to /#/ using the news sites as official sourcesI can't fucking believe /#/ has accidentally re-invented circular citations
>>56659461Yea 'news'. And why would opinions or rumours on the net matter? That article is just as useless as the average 4ch post.
>>56659576When you say /hlg/ which thread are you referring the one on /vt/ or /jp/?
>>56659501she isn't luna she might not even be stone
>>56659619Debut Moom my beloved
>>56659497Sora music always get low views. Hell, I will argue AZKi gets pretty low views too. Inochi just broke 1 million after like 3 years?
>>56659171HOLYKEK
So wait. Didn't Niji have a group called Nijipets with Mysta in it? What ever happened to that? Was that still a thing?
>>56659632the one that got flooded with EOP newfags when it got run out of /vyt/. well before /vt/.
>>56659171BASED BASED BASED
Wow I guess /#/ is the only place where people even care about posting reasonable takes anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb_b6YierzkMori just implied if she hadn't doubled down on collabing Tempus so hard she wouldn't have lost "so many Deadbeats" recently.
>>56659171OH NO NO NO NO NO NO ZHANGBROS DON'T LOOK
>>56659171HOLY KEK WTF
>>56659714Thats alright, some fag has been using /hlg/ to refer to global and I was slightly concerned
>>56658424I don't know, but Umisea always felt awkward and that feeling got way worse when they shoehorned Chloe in, especially when it was done with a song that seemed like it was all but kicking Gura and Ina out of the group at a time when the HoloX shilling was at its height.
>>56658681So Myth is push more than 5gen.But then Myth is given no opportunities. Why are gokischizo arguments contradicting themselves.
>>56659627That's how modern journalism is now. Everyone is trying to be the next fabrizio romano. HOLOLIVE IS RETURNING TO CHINA, DEAL IS SIGNED WITH BILIBILI, HERE WE GO!
>>56659479It's like those news stories that all cite other news stories where the origin story turns out to be some drunk in a bar in Wisconsin said xxx.
>>56659171absolute state of journalism
>>56659710They have a million groups that are formed ad-hoc and collab once or twice a year. It's not that deep.
>>56659756she didn't mention homos at allshe's aware her biggest fuckups were completely unrelated to them
>I've been betrayed more times than I can countMori...
>>56659171CHINA FOREVER SEETHING
>>56659515Look man, I gotta put out like 3 scheduled tweets this week. I can't keep track of all this shit.
Faggots here forgot that Advent was supposed to be a filler gen. Having a couple more bodies to cover dead hours and organize some collabs was more than enough. Them actually getting good numbers and some early Council results is an absolute overperformance. considering the absolute grim state of HoloEN and western Vtubing as a whole.And that's not counting all the doomposters who genuinely believed that they were all going to be homocollabing sluts or even a mixed gen to finally complete the branch Nijification.
>>56659812which was?
>>56659171/vt/ being the centre of vtuber and hololive discussion in the west will never not be funny
>>56659171This will be the next op
>>56659812so she learned nothing
>>56659171TRULY ZA MOST
Do we at least have proof that Cover doesn't own the B2 accounts? People are saying that in December they were handed over to Cover staff so I believe them.
>>56659756Reasons for Mori's decline:1. UMG signing2. Tempus collabs3. Kusoges shit4.Lean shit/TT e-celeb panderingOrdered from damaging to least damaging
>>56659652Cover and vsingers just don't workSuisei has been the only successful "vsinger" in Cover and that's only after she stopped being an official vsingerIRyS has mediocre song views, but even they tend to do better than AZKi and Sora (yes, not technically a vsinger, but close enough)It's ridiculous that IRyS's cover of inochi is at 1.2m while AZKi's original is only at 1m
>>56659864>People
>>56659171You love to see it.
>56659864This post reads like something suischizo would write
>>56659864>people were saying
>>56659171I'm pretty sure they think /#/ is delusional because most TW fans I'm seeing aren't happy with the re-entry.
>>56659864Nigga do you fucking think we have eyes inside of Cover to tell us thatThe only thing we know is how B2 works for other people it works with, and we know that B2 owns pretty much all the "official" channels of things that come from outside of China.
>>56659171now I'll fucking believe you if some of Nijien intern actually lurk /here/ lmao shitposting even
>HOLOLIVE BOARD>HOLOLIVE THREAD
>>56659498What is this ESL? I was in Bijou's stream when it ended, with autoplay on and everything. There was no raid, it played one of Bijou's VODs after ending.
>>56659904nah it's missing a period from his standard syntax
/#/ on The Washington Post when?
>>56658491Umisea had the Cover mandated shill streams right after the release of... their second song I think, since it was just Aqua Marine and Ina Gura without Chloe, but overall I agree. Holotori is a mostly organic thing though I think Shuuba and Rui don't really interact with the EN/IDs that often.
>>56659901>>56659904>>56659906I'm just asking for proof that Cover doesn't own the B2 Hololive account so I can go to sleep in peace, God
>>56659864Cover doesn't have the staff to upload in b2. They are too busy in shorts for the EN, ID and JP main channels.
>>56659831Only Vsingers are filler. The gens are new stuff added to what it is. Advent is mostly good but they sure need to stop fighting in the same hours, as I can see only FWMC and Biboo growing even more.
>>56659924then you are broken or some shit. mori even spergged out about it.
>>56659864You don't prove a negative. Prove the positive "Cover has control of B2 accounts," If you fail to do so, it's the negative. And no, vt shitposts are not proof.
>>56659831Naw, if anything I think it just shows Hololive is not the absolute top of the west and hasn't been for a long time. Other companies are catching up on them.
>>56659864>People are saying bullshit so I believe themChink logic, folks
>>56659962No offense but I hope you are trolling, otherwise you are clinically retarded
>>56659864It was. I was in the meeting between B2 executive and Yagoo as translator. B2 actually begged holopro to return to B2 and willingly restored the accounts. Heck one exceutive even blow yagoo on the spot to sweeten the deal.
Do we at least have proof that Cover owns the B2 accounts? People are saying that they weren't handed over to Cover staff so I believe them.
>>56659962burden of proof is on you buddyyou make a claim, you prove it
>>56659924I got the notification that Biboo was sending people to Mori but closed the tab before it went through. Maybe Neal's pajeet coding just shit itself and didn't send people properly.
>>56659914>most TW fans>TW fansLolLmao
>>56659963Umisea's songs have mostly sucked is the real problem. Their best one is a promotional fish market jingle.
>>56659831Waiting to see how they go after 3 months.
>>56660035I just have major trust issues and don't know who to believe anymore.
>chink ops timeloop
>>56659836giving antis public attention and letting the blowback affect your fansnot giving enough attention or respect to the streaming side of her jobtrying too run her channel too much like an indie talent, initially (though considering her main talent is networking, that was just her trying to apply what she knew)>>56659854nah, her approach to homo collabs was goodtold homobeggars off, said every girl should follow her content preferences and only stuck to those that actually produced good content (the fact they both turned out to be menhera weirdos is a whole separate issue)
>>56659864I was in the meeting between Yagoo and the B2 ceo. I served them coffee. When the B2 CEO kneeled to Yagoo and begged him to return Hololive to China, Yagoo spit on the back of his head, drank coffee I served, said thank you to me, and walked out of the room.
>>56659171NUMBERCHADS WE CANNOT STOP WINNING
So shiori's doing as bad as bae did 2 years ago.Except bae never had a return stream to at least try to fix her numbers
>>56659824Mori is kind of an autist retard, took multiple stove touches of twitch celebs and her rap "friends" to get the memo
>>56660095>najor trust issues>People are saying that in December they were handed over to Cover staff so I believe them.you have to be trolling at this point, or farming you(s)else, you are retarded
>>56659171BASEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>56660109This, there's a reason why only kronii and Ame had issues with homo collabs. Mori and Bae knew how to deal with it upfront. Kronii probably handled it the worse and made it a whole damn drama for no reason
>>56660137Bae was DOA after debut. It's just that Sana and to some extent Fauna managed to steal all the heat.
Just a reminder that this exists
>/#/ is officially endorsed by reputable news sitesWe're literally Bloomberg and Reuters tier now
>>56660228I love Polka
>>56659785Both can be correct retard, Myth and Council getting promoted is something that happened recently thanks to Jap taking over but for the past 2 years gen 5 has been spoonfed way more undeserved opportunities than their actual lack of popularity would warrant.
No one finds streams through twitter. Growing on YT alone is the best strat. It'll keep most beggars out.
>>56660172her entire career exists cause she took extreme risks and connected with various people while knowing very little about themold habits die hard, plus that approach can work if it's done consequently (vide Kobo, Towa)
Why /#/ is being pro china rn? i thought we wouldn't forget about what they did to holo
>>56659171This is some Donald Trump Piss Tapes tier silliness.
I wish I could have sex with Mococo so fucking badly, bros
>>56660313Twitter engagement rare is 1%and that's not even the click-through rate
>>56659824Her own fault.
Good luck VSPO EN & CN
>>56659441>gura >mumeiah so the 2 lazy fucks dont want to do anything. color me surprised. they don't even bother to do solo streams, let alone reach out for collabs
>>56658424>Umisea = feels like a Band>HoloTori = feels like an Idol unitSplit off holotori into duos and you can still call them "HoloTori". Split off Umisea and they don't.
>>56660398
>>56660419>>>/vt/mans/
>>56660419Wrong thread phasekek
>>56660383This doesn't seem pro China at all. I'm really not understanding why the bugs are buzzing recently outside of butthurt about Taiwan getting 2 official Hololive collabs and a concert.
>>56660254>Reputable news sites
>>56660402yea, I just thought it was nice that someone had a poll with solid numbers from 1k people.
>>56660313Even facebook has better discoverability than twitter. Twitter is only good for announcements and it's still terrible since it's not chronological in anyway. /#/ is probably the best place to learn about events
https://twitter.com/suisei_submati/status/1693830204702294456https://twitter.com/sera_alb/status/1693848212271161749
>>56660417they don't have Coco so there are no problems
>>56660430>Umisea are more popular as individuals than as a groupHOLY SHIT THIS.
>>56660419Not even a threadreader
>>56659869How is UMG most damaging? What do deadbeats know about it that people who don't pay attention to Mori don't?
>>56660214Kronii and Ame were seen as non-Homocollaber so them defying expections caused a bigger reaction than the expected Mori and Bae.
>>56660460It's probably directly because if the Taiwan Hololive stuff. Also they probably took some offense to Yagoo saying directly that he had no interest in mainland China but wanted to focus on chinese speaking audiences outside of China.
Explain how hololive worksHow is the box able to self sustain themselves? Every other branch or vtuber even inside companies has to reach out to others and form connections with other people to try to spread their name and grow but somehow the box is able to grow within. Like a hololive fan watching X holomem and seeing another holomem does not increase the actual hololive fans there are. And that's also why I think raids are useless
>>56659869Also trying to funnel her popularity into her RMShe's wasted so much time and energy doing shit both directly and tangentially related to itActual concerts and event appearances, 2nd base in bumfuck nowhere, so many cross-pacific flights, etc.
>>56659171I feel violated. Tourists and outsiders please don't look at my posts.
>>56660507inclining?
>>56660507Goddammit Suzy I almost thought I'd taken off my glasses and forgot to put them back on. What the hell is that image quality.
>>56660540Not just that but Kronii really handled it the worse by flip flopping and saying it would only be on their channels first then changing her mind then doing this whole talk with her memhera paypiggies. She's the only one that it got bad enough for cover to put out a statement for. She could've literally said nothing and that would've been the better move
I think Fauna should have sex with Mumei on stream in 3D
>>56660460Taiwan is getting a concert? When?
>>56659171HAHAHAHAHAHA MOST
>>56659984We've seen it in the past few weeks that overlap isn't that much of an issue. Having a 40k HoloEN box seems far better than having a single Bae stream through the day getting 4k instead of 3k.They are going for the HoloJP strat of building a strong consistent box that slowly expands.As said in the last thread Fauna getting 8-9k on neutral shit was enough to make her the strongest EN Vtuber for most months and she was the only HoloEN members who managed to grow in the past year. Right now HoloEN needs to focus on their core audience and not take them for granted.>>56660016This is completely fucking wrong and every metric proves it. Pretty much every single EN debut in the past year did worse than the last. From NijiEN to small corpos.
>>56660674Why did you even reply to that?
>>56660589Holobox is like an empire. It grows from within but the border Holos steal viewers from other areas and funnel them to the main countries. Towa is funneling FPS viewers to Ayame, Korone, etc.
Oh man this stream is gonna be huge
Can Holo still take the month? Or will Niji have 2 consecutive monthly wins?
>>56660648Soon. All this shit is a lead up to more chinkout shit. Cover is snubbing China hard in favor of Taiwan and the bugs are building up a case to start attacking Cover again. The bugs are using Hololive's interest in Taiwan as a market as a casus belli.
>>56660589Hololive is THE biggest Vtuber company right now worldwide. And they aren't just streamers. Events and sponsorships bring eyes to them alongside word of mouth. If you live in East Asia you are bound to have at least a friend or two who watch hololive at least casually. Not to mention art and other secondary works boosting mindshare further. Stop thinking just in terms of CCV.
>>56660430kek, they actually more or less tried to do that with that one song where they pasted Chloe in and all but kicked out Ina and Gura.
>>56659032Summer Splash Party being centered around Duos and Units has me thinking that Haachama might make a suprise appearance during the concert and she'll perform this song with Ame.
>>56660705/numbers/ is now an official recognized news outlet. Can't just call people third world tards anymore.
>>56660743>Stop thinking just in terms of CCV.do you know where we are? our brains suffer from such severe numbersrot that we literally can't see anything but waiting room numbers, current ccv and vod views
>>56660417meh, nijis back in ze day also did the same thingsit was not because someone made the chinks cry what caused the chinkout, it was because hololive was getting too successful and the chink nijiniggers earned their nameon top, hololive was popping off here in the west, which made the chinks even more mad, since they thought they were gatekeeping vtuber to pander them and, thanks to coco, hololive began to pander us and leave them
>>56660430Holotori is Spice girls while Umisea is NSYNC
>>56660674>Pretty much every single EN debut in the past year did worse than the last.The lowest Advent cleared the highest Council by 15k. The highest Advent cleared the lowest Council by 43k.
>>56660808Golden gen...
>>56660540Ame was a unityfag since debut. She liked a lot of StarsJP art (primarily Shien) and would plug their streams when she was ending. Ame's case was moreso that she antagonized part of her fanbase when the homo collabs started.
>>56660761Anon...she was hospitalized for months. She's still only good enough to be sent home, not completely healed. Even if she was 100% when she left the hospital she still wouldn't have enough time to perform at Splash Party.
So what happened at the end of Mori's graph. The drop back down a few minutes before it ended was so damn sharp. Looked like one of those Niji graphs. I understand the raided people leaving for superchats but that's a steep drop right there.
>>56660805Sporty - SubaruScary - MumeiPosh - ReineGinger - KiaraBaby(?) - Lui?
>>56660761haaton, that dream might be a little too big
>>56660808>raids
>>56660835>Don't care streamIs what I'd say if it was EN but it's fine in this case.
>>56657813Well there's a lot of stuff involved here.1.First and foremost is not debuting males at the start, or not starting with a mixed wave. 3 waves of girls alone meant that the initial company culture was established in a certain way, so debuting males after all that time meant that the fanbase became irrevocably broken.2. No direction + "family". Luxiem just copied other chuubas initially, but once their coombait shit got popular, they dived right into it. At the same time there's livers like Pomu, Selen, Rosemi etc. who are completely different in terms of branding. These different audiences would be more comfortable staying with their oshi alone or just enjoying collabs with similar people, but the forced "family" bullshit means that there's collabs with the opposite brand folks almost every other day, meaning every other collab grates on the fanbase as a whole and makes them feel bad instead of good.The one liver that tried to stay as on-brand as possible (Selen) is also simultaneously the most hated because her brand doesn't consist of people within Nijisanji and she doesn't play into the fake family bullshit.This lack of unified "direction" also means that there's no concepts or ideas of "nijisanji" for the fans to rally behind, resulting in them just latching on to the "Nijisanji" brand name itself for unity, since that's the only thing common among all the livers. This ofc results in a lot of company bootlicking and China style "toeing the company line" bullshit, a far cry from Nijisanji's roots as the "rebel" group that just did whatever the fuck they wanted. 3. All out war. Worst part is that it was never acknowledged and no apology was made, and the server without management is still up. Gave off the impression that NijiEN is a bunch of shitty people, and became a free target to "hit" with no one defending them other that niji's own defense force or Riku's bootlickers.4. Striking dramatubers. Last straw arguably. They even hit one of their own bootlickers in this attempt (FalseEyeD) resulting in a large group of youtube channels dedicated to just shitting on Nijisanji and bringing to light every single yab they tried to bury, once again adding to the fracture of the fanbase as they split between people defending the livers and people defending the ever thinning shreds of "company unity" they have left.The company defense HAS to be fervent btw, because that's the only thing keeping the disparate fanbase under one umbrella.5. Zaion : The start of the aforementioned livers vs company divide, cemented Nijisanji as a dogshit company from the outside. And of course, there's a lot of other smaller yabs, but I'd say broad strokes, these are the main issues.
>>56659171You got to post this everywhere man. This is NEWS now. We are a TRUSTED source. Where are images of China kneeling to Yagoo?
>>56660524while his list is retarded and UMG signing was a massive net gain, there are a couple of downsidesthey really pushed the album release schedule in 2022 into overdrive which ended up with incredibly saturated song/MV release cycle, which hurt the individual entriesthey also went pretty heavy into more poppy sund for the first albums which was never really Mori's fortethe biggest reasons were definitely her streaming choices nearing the latter half of the year (endlessly delaying getting into the RUST loop cause of traveling and unstable streaming situation, bulk JRPG stacking with Live A Live, Persona 5 and Persona 3 Portable being jammed into like an extended 4-5 month period)the drama most heavily impacted her growth potential since people outside of the fandom were exposed to the lolcow side and her old "racist" stuff dragged out by twitterI wouldn't say there's a particularly strong relation to TT in regards to anything, aside from Connor being the focal point of the biggest drama bit, if anything those collabs always had her sub growth slightly outpace her viewer numbers
>>56660891>cope
>>56660892kys you tard.
>>56660756You mean the Japan-only event because they were selling fresh seafood? Moron.
>shiori becoming the bae of advent>floprys ccv plummeting and her music is underperforming>bae, ame, mori as low as ever>kronii's ccv is dead>ina killed her numbers with random gamesI thought advent was meant to buff the rest of en?
bros for the Splash party, I only need to upgrade my YT to premium right? no need to join Hololive Main channel membership?
>>56660933How hard is it to click go live? you can do that from a hospital bed.
>>56660808I honestly think so many people low balling Advent's debut predictions because they just wanted to believe the giant fell and that they precious small corpo vtubers are actually closer to the top than they are. Turns out there is a gulf between HoloEN and everyone else in the western vtuber sphere.
>>56660958bro the yt premium thingy is the splash AFTERparty. The concert itself is still on those other streaming sites.
>>56659652Inochi hit 1 million on Spotify long before it hit it on Youtube since AZKi trained Pioneers to buy CDs and stream music on normal music services instead of Youtube by virtue of not being a streamer for a long time, which is why AZKi always does really well on the Oricon rankings for sales despite having abysmal Youtube viewership.
>>56660866Mori ended the gaming section and started sending people off because she was doing some QnA thing related to UMG, so mostly folks who were specifically interested in EP stuff stuck around
>>56660994Have there been any details about the afterparty?
>>56660958Splash party is tickets only. Premium is something else.
>>56661015It's mostly going to be pole dancing and yuri smut from what I've heard.
>>56661015Just the members in the description of the framehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY1tXDR-oBg
>>56661005How many streams is Mori gonna shill that EP?
oh btw Hololive ID killer (JKT48V) will debut tonight SEA primetimes
>>56661085>Big ass Sora thumbnail>no SoraNani??? Pretty decent lineup though
>>56657930>Going back to China>Fubuki, the first Holo who mentioned Coco after the Taiwan yab and ignore the chinks existence when they demand her to denounce Coco is still around What do you think anon? Her numbers aren't doing as well as it used to, but for people who have been around for at least since the Taiwan yab happened she is still the indicator whether Cover is choosing the black company route or not
>>56661091she's been inspired by Suzy to push things more openly since the idol way is both about being proud of the things you've made and being open about you needing your fans supportso the answer is however long it takes, really
>>56661152literally unironically actually WHO?
>>56659171HOLY BASED. Not only did we eradicate the Tempiss meance, killed nijiCNs reputation, AND ruined Opera's new vtuber. but we ALSO buried all of Zhang & friend's completely baseless Rrats??? Must I say based or must I say Kneel.
>>56661091>Artist makes a new EP>Wants to promote it ???
>>56658115The Chinese never had that demand.
>>56661191HOLY ESL
Who has the highest active memberdhips in en currently?
>>56661191ESL-chama... your eigo reps... Owari Da.
>>56661243Mori
>>56661187AKB48 but ID, now they are going to launch their vtuber project, 3 talents will debut, the JTK48 itself has massive follower in ID, but their sentiment toward Vtubing is kinda not good, we'll see if they can at least beat Hololive ID 2 debut number tonight
most interesting bit of Mori's stream was her actually saying "you'll see some promos for the next couple of YEARS"UMJ seems pretty invested into this shit
>>56661221It's an EP not an album. She had multiple shill streams of it. Do you think some nigger only learned she has a new EP now and would buy it?
>>56657287Nah, NijiEN is still orders of magnitude bigger than corps like Idol and Phase even in their current gimped state.
>>56660949>mori as low as ever
>>56657813Chinks. Someone in the catalog pointed out that around November the government started really cracking down on VPNs because zhangs realized that the rest of the world was done with the flu while they were still in full quarantine.And that date perfectly aligns with Vox going from 40k return karaokes to being a 3k shitter out of nowhere.
>>56661243any number related question kinda defaults to Gura, aside from pure view numbers, and there's no particular reason to believe otherwise
>>56661292forgot pic
>>56661184>>56661184I don't watch Fubuki but I'd assume that she'd be the last person to be told they're back in China and make her a fait accompli. Also she is super professional and wouldn't show emotions about pure business.
>>56661237>>56661279It's ok monolingual kun, it's coherent enough that u could tell which to correct.
>>56661352So the more interesting question is who has second most
>>56661416Ina is a good candidate, which is hilarious as fuck because her membership content is barren as it could be aside from best quality emotes in EN
>>56661366Is this where ZEA end up at?
>>56661309Any of those people raided in today could've seen it for the first time yeah, why do you act like promoting your content is a bad thing? All good marketing holos do it
>>56661191>ruined Opera's new vtuber.Aura could've been a superstar if it wasn't for you meddling numberfags. You all need to apologize right fucking now for robbing her of that future.
>>56661466>HomoslutNo.
>>56661366AKB group is just too late to the party. I imagine this is a test ground for AKB48V which would probably be 3 views unless they found a good way to promote it off their flesh idols.
>>56658574they're just getting the debuffs out of the way first. once JP collabs open you're never gonna see the dogs in an EN collab again.
>>56661453You really think that many people member to Ina to make her 2nd? I don't think so.
>>56660912She did seem to have kept to herself a lot most of the last year. I can barely remember her existing. Now I can't get away from her.
>>56661316An OOM increase is 10x. "Orders of magnitude" implies at least x100. Barring outliers, current daily peak for NijiEN box is around 10k, jewbas and plap connect are 1.5k-3k depending on heavy hitter content picks.
>Taiwanese anon took what the shitposters said here as gospel to confirm their bias>faggots here jerking off to the idea that some other faggots acknowledged them
>>56661533NTA but Ina got a solid floor so I believe him. There's very little other choice. Fauna maybe?
>>56659171> my post got featured in fucking yahoo newsfeels weird ngl
The HoloEN channel is fucking up hard by not taking a few scenes from Holotori Dance and making a short. It has some good potential to go viral.
>>56661533in always had an insane number of likes and poll votes on her mem posts and never read SCs so people poured tons into memberships (and mem gifts ever since they became a thing)
>>56661514>unless they found a good way to promote it off their flesh idols.*unless they leech on hololive
>>56659171We saved modern journalism bros we saved vtubing
>>56661570Why so angry zhang-kun?
>They are going back to ChinaCover will be making copy of official Hololive content on YouTube and upload them to B2. It will be handled by certain team. The holos are not going to stream on B2 and they will not interact with chinese fans or attend any event in china, they won't even notice the chink.The chink will be paying for second-hand content
>>56661653I think that's the most likely scenario, but fags will get pissy regardless
>>56661570
>>56659864>prove a negativeProve that Sora doesn’t sexually harass the other girls which is why they avoid collabs
>>56661067unironically this.splash is just a continuation of their gravure shit, splash afterparty is more of that.
>>566591715CH ANON. POST THIS SHIT IN 5CH QUICK. THE JAPANESE WILL LOVE THIS SHIT.
>>56659293changs trying to blend in is as hilarious as ever
>>56661567It's not that far off. NijiEN can still push 50k on big events/outfit reveals/debuts, etc. The highest anybody in Phase or Idol has gotten is like 7k. It's not just about the daily viewership but the highest potential viewership. Phase or Idol will never sniff the numbers that NijiEN can potentially push out.
Enna's new original dong pasded irys's last song in 4 daysGrim
>>56661489Her roommate is a huge fucking idol fan like Kiara. Really doubt that's the case.
>>56661570Ah I love the smell of Zhang seethe in the morning
>>56661604its going to be a myth member. it should obviously be mori, anyone saying otherwise just believes she had enough people flee to slip.
>>56661746>NijiEN can still push 50k on big events/outfit reveals/debutsNo, they can't. Unless what you mean by big events is graduations.
>>56661466I use Chrome and sometimes Brave
>>56661757She was in Bettel's chat like an hour after her debut. She's a Homo lover.
>>56661570How do we cope, zhangbros?Everyone making fun of us
>>56661757She's already living in Tempus chat anon
>>56661757>he extremely doesn't know
Why did Cover do it? Why'd they throw a rock at a hornets nest just so Taiwanese people may enjoy Aqua an co while Chinese people are left to look longingly?
>>56661781Nina just pulled around 40k and Mysta will get close to 100k. Yeah, they are graduations, but that still shows the highest potential viewership that NijiEN has. My point is that Idol or Phase will never have a stream that comes anywhere close to 40k, graduation or not.
>>56661747>original donghow many dongs is that whore gonna take? I guess her fans love that kinda shit
>chinks will give money to Cover just for outdated, second hand content and get treated as a second class citizenAm I supposed to be angry about this?
>>56661619It would have to involve AKB using their TV connections to make a TV show and regularly invite Holos and other big chubas
>>56661616Ok I guess it makes sense like that. The irony of having the most members while putting out the least sure is something
>>56660938Forgotten…
>Holofans insecuritiesThis nijikek really think that we, the holo fans, were having insecurities toward livers having a family vibes.No, we just ridiculed them for being fake, role-playing as a fictional family.
>>56661746Does vshojo have any potential?Henya's debut was like 30? 40k?Nazuna and ksons debut hit 40-50kIronmouse can still get high views for outfit reveals and big events like anniversary and shit
>>56661779Mori has a shit floor. Her deadbeats members are left her long ago. You don't get 2.5k CCV if you have 4k members which is Fauna's minimum members.
>>56661825by definition a graduation cannot indicate potential viewership
>>56661570whiney the poo is in the thread, nice.
My browser is collabing with millions of men every day aieeee!!!
>>56661849Any involvement with a Chinese company is too much. They're always trying to get a foot in the door to take over other companies. Best not to let them even get to the entrance. Also,>Taking money out of ChinaRORU
>>56661875The irony of this whole statement is palpable
>>56660938It was done with no tact retard. EN fans were pissed that they just chunked Chloe in with no buildup, right at the time when HoloX was getting shilled hard and it seemed like Cover was content to let EN slowly fade to nothing.
>>56661608https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qgSvLudAUFMRetard
The entire chink psy op is literally >Cover will [headcanon]
>>56661882If those are twitch numbers that means like 30k ceiling on youtube which is grim for debut
>>56660507Suzy saviorfagging Versen?!
>>56661875Thus this is why FWMC is banned from forever playing sims.
>Nba went through the same yab as cover and returned to china. >Yagoo likes thisUmm holokeks status?
>>56661570Kang Kong king kung Jang long king
>>56661865I never forgot. I still hold a grudge over it in fact.
>>56661883>You don't get 2.5k CCV if you have 4k membersRetard.
>>56661886This can though (ignore Kanata)Phase and idol are never getting these sort of numbers. They will never even get John Q Wilson's or Vuvuzela Bandage's debut numbers for anything.
I'm more interested in the part of the story that says b2 is dying / losing money. Any more info on that?
>>56661746Their biggest stream this month was an outfit reveal with 24k (it was 73k 3 months earlier). 2nd biggest is graduation buffed unarchived karaoke with 16k. People are leaving even now.
>>56661746>NijiEN can still push 50k on big events/outfit reveals/debuts, etc.LolNoNo they can't
Imagine if /numbers/ causes a second chinkout
>>56661152MORE 2 VIEWS LETS GOOOOO
Don't we want to go back into bug market? Bugs = numbers
>>56661866it's as ironic as Gura having most viewers/subs while putting out the least content likeability is the end all of entertainment
Did Bao the indie just quit after her recent meltyHer manager took over her twitter
>>56661746>It's not that far off. NijiEN can still push 50k on big events/outfit reveals/debutCan they???
>>56661944>Yagoo is an NBAchadKek
>>56662010The fuck? If an indie quit then what is mane-chan still doing?
>>56661985I don't know about that, never is a very long time and cover was nothing for a while. I think a lot rides on how their spanish branch pans out.
>>56661830Can't match irys taking all of brians dongs 24/7 aye
I just noticed that all of Advent aside from FWMC have fallen behind Marine in subgrowth already. The debut bump sure didn't last long.
>>56661608Check the shorts tab for gods sake.
>>56661916HoloTW would be the best move but it would send Chinese into maximum overseethe
>>56661366NijiID... Not like this...
>>56661883you telling me the morishills are actually nijis????
The English in this thread keeps getting worse
>>56662004No. Even from a pure numbers perspective the risk is far too high and Hololive is doing well enough right now.
>>56661986I mean isn't that just the covid bubble bursting. Just like most other tech companies who overextended.
>>56661924I meant the actual MV. The little behind the scenes thing is cute, but it's not something that can be properly appreciated by outsiders and loose Vtuber fans. If they put the last 19 seconds of the MV up as a short, it could explode.
>>56662010It reads like she just quit twitter
>>56661944If Yagoo bows and scrapes for the chinks in the same way that the NBA does then I' out.
>>56661883Mori factually cannot have below 5k members because she has capped emote slotsand she said that since gift membs, she hit an all time high for membership count, meaning passing even the debut popoff window (which was insane on Myth drop, literal walls of green for minutes in chat)
>>56661980It's a logical assumption retardbro.
>>56662042You only need to take a look at council to foresee this
>>56662042>debuting singer without orisong/EP and she is not a trained singer>going on vacation 10 days>debuting a loli kaela (not complaining, she is my favourite)Fuwamoco was the only smash hit, and they had a cover and orisong so of course they are going to grow like crazy
>>56662004What numbers?Hololive never get any real bombastic numbers back then from them
>>56662039Cover was nothing for a while but they were nothing while the industry was still in its infancy and had plenty of room to grow. The industry is saturated as all hell now with little room for growth. Phase or Idol tier is probably the ceiling for a new/small corpo. We won't be seeing Hololive tier growth in this current industry.
>>56662104And that's why you're a retard. People have far more members than their average CCV. Watching exclusively live is only an autismo thing from here.
>>56662104>Is retarded>asserts his uniformed opinion is factretard-kun...
>>56661944yep, they are coming back, well, see you guys
>>56662104no, it's illogical because it conflicts with how youtube membership system worksall Holos with capped emote slots have 5k active membership AS A FLOOR, this is an outright statement from the site's side
>>56662162Anon no! don't leave us! please... we need your posts here...
>>56662129Logically vtubing is a niche subculture of a niche culture and Hololive fulfills every demand of those involved. Streamers with avatars was just leeching off the growth and is a fad that is already dying.
Holy fucking shit man. This is the first time in almost 2 weeks Bilibili's stock went up. This is what they wanted, selling fake news and dumbfuckery.
>>56661944>James HardenAs a Sixers fan fuck that fat bearded faggot
>>56661747So how long until Enna gets her 3D?
>>56661882Events: 3rd placeAverage per chuuba: 2nd place, mostly due to all the deadweight in niji ENAverage total: 3rd place, definitely not helped be vshojo chuubas leaving enmasseYeah, it's twitch CCV, but at worst, YT CCV is culled 50% and there's enough of a gap between rankings that it doesn't matter
>well well well look at the time.Let the slapfighting BEGIN!
>>56662129Phase is like 2 years old at this point. In the hololive timeline they'd be at around Botan's debut, which got more than 100k ccv. Phase is in eternal runthood. idol has comparable numbers to hololive's first year. Rin gets comparible numbers to early Aqua and has way more subs than she did. All they needs is a sankisei explosion.
>>56662062No shit. Let me ask you this have you ever seen a single Deadbeat who isn't a massive homobeggar?
>"it's risky">b2/chink is practically begging for Cover to come backWhat risk? Cover can just pull out anytime, they are not investing anything into b2 or chink pandering. Either they take the existing Holo content or leave it. Cover will not cater to them
>>56662104Fucking retard.
>>56662129>The EN market is saturated to the brim right now. EN3 will just flop like tempus.
>>56662129I agree on the English side, but is anyone anywhere filling the spanish demand?
>>56661993They just need to do a graduation a month to get big numbers
>>56662224>All they needs is a sankisei explosionare there enough fans in the west tho?
>>56662242I'm talking about for new companies growing you dingus. Obviously the long established Hololive is going to be able to pull numbers.
>>56662260Unironically Advent is doing that right now. Just like Sankisei putting the foundation of JP funneling system, Advent is normalizing raid cultureIt’s significant all the same
>>56662162This isn't the airport, no need to announce your departure
>>56662224Pickme Plappa Pipkin poisoned hee company, too bullish on Idol they already resorted to shock jockey clickbaiting
>>56662202>first time in almost 2 weeks Bilibili's stock went up. This is what they wanted, selling fake news and dumbfuckery.Tbh that post did more harm than good >>56659171. It riled up schizos from both sides, and gave leverage to bilibili to continue with their rrats that Hololive is indeed returning. AIEEEEEE WE ARE STILL UNDER THEIR PSYOPS.
>>56662260Imagine if all of Advent's new fans were actually turned into new idol fans. That'd be a massive boon. There are people still out there. idol just needs to be their first exposure to vtubers.
>Idol only have 1 consistent 4view in their roster>phase only have 1 consistent 4view in their rosterAnd they dare claiming superiority to niji and holo
>>56662244just Idol and some Indies. The Indies don't get numbers though. Some ES girl was playing Holocure earlier and ended with 1k total vod views. She seemed ok as far as voices go but I honestly don't know anything about her other than that.
Fauna actually has absurd membership chat numbers what the hell.
>>56662308>Just like Sankisei putting the foundation of JP funneling systemwasnt coco the one who started with that shit with all her skits involving other members?
>>56662327nobody claims that.
>>56662303I think they're just doing it wrong. They go for the easy money and delve too deep into coomer shit. Or blatantly here. Even holo had to grind for a while.
>>56662125>Not a trained singerIf you watched her streams you'd know that she very likely has more formal training than anyone in EN.
>>56662313Maybe I am but they're not gonna remain 1 order of magnitude less than HoloEN. They still have a chance to unseat HoloEN or at least challenge them at #2. Phase is in eternal hell though, they will never be anything more than western re:act.
>>56662236Shut up Zhang, go learn to swim
>>56662327Phase has Tenma which makes them the best small corpo, I dont care about the views she is the only funny and entertaining small corpo chuuba
>>56662224>RinShe's already reclining
>>56662315>genjutsu within an genjutsuIt's been 2 years of plotting after all... who knows how deeply entrenched they are within our midst. Friend or Foe? Nobody knows..
>>56661746They can't even get 50k for debuts anymore anon. Didn't even make it onto the podium that day.
>>56662313This. They can no longer attract audience normally, only by being "based"
>>56662192You don't lose emote slots if you dip below the required number once you're using them. I don't have a horse in this race, but you don't have to have the the 5k currently to still have your emote slots.
>>56662327It's not about superiority, its about HoloEN not be 3 orders of magnitude bigger.
>>56662365Oh i see a number of people saying precisely that on twitter
>>56662383Then why is she complaining about belting damaging her throat or going all out on karaoke is going to hurt her throat? You do know that singers do not risk damaging their their throats during performances and training? And that most of them train at least 2 hours every single day?
>>56662360No? The funneling system was credited to them. Surely you haven’t forgot how they always funnel between timeslot seamlessly? And others started to follow it to form the current Holobox
There's a timeline where chinks didn't get mad about the taiwan incident, left coco and chammers alone after one apology tweet, holoen boom into holocn and holoid boom and today, we would still have coco, rushia, holocn from the right timeline
>>56662386I'm honestly curious what /vt/ and youtube clip channels reaction would be to a holo doing yuko's piss drinking stream. It was so beyond the pale that I feel like it would have been a defining moment going forward.
>Idol niggers thinking they can beat HoloENIs this delusional?
>>56662420>homocollaberlol yeah no wonder
>>56662420I swear this bitch has more shorts than streams at this point.
>>56662425Wait, there is someone named Wilson in Niji?
>>56662260Connect the World was already successful enough based on Cover's expectations that future overseas concerts are in the pipeline.
>>56662317In case it wasn't obvious from half their chuuba's being attempted Gura clones, idol is trying very hard to get a viral hit.
>>56662467Yeah, it's called the timeline where we nuked China back in the 50s
>>56662420>spike of CCV collabing with homo>falls off afterwarda tale as old as EN vtubing.
>>56662348Proof next thread?
What di the other ENs think about Mori and Kiara having preferential treatment to skip the collab ban?
If the psy op was actually psy op then it will eventually died down anyway, why bother
>>56662386>Unseat HoloENYou mean NijiEN, but I think VSPOen will cannibalize their growth and benefit from JP vspo fans who want to dabble with EN. I think long term idol, vspo, and niji will fight for scraps. HoloEN will never fall now that Omega has been purged unless Gura goes schizo and starts singing Rich Men North of Richmond on stream
>>56662482I think the top of idol is close to being on par with the bottom of HoloEN and their mindshare isn't 100 times less than HoloEN.
>>56662257Yeah anon, you might want to sit down for this...
>>56662467no, rushia will still be out since she was already warned about gossiping with her dramtuber friend
>>56662445Twitter doesn't watch youtube so that doesn't surprise me.
>>56662445holofags falseflagging.
>>56662467>RushiaI don't think so.Rushia is a horny hag, she would fucked up in all time lines.
>56662526>mindshareyeah this is bait
>>56662244I did a quick search and found an ES company called Sedai One. I don't know how many people watch them but they appear to have active members. They debut second gen on the 19th of this month. They could be like wactor though for all I know.
>>56662442do you have proof for that, since the talents were strongly implying the opposite
>>56662523Vspoen has the same issue nijisanji has where their mindshare this side of the Pacific is effectively nil so they'll have a hell of a time inclining without hololive reaching down and giving them a hand.Of course their stupid clipping policy doesn't help
>>56662443Yeah they're 20 orders of magnitude bigger instead. Being a "le based" meme account on twitter is not a positive trait
>>56662526Let's wait until Idol has a proper infrastructure to do a 3D debut, okay? Even Kawaii is ahead of Idol in this aspect
>>56662420>Rin pantyrose is already reclincingYou know why.
>>56662569that's interesting.
I don't really care about b2 but I wouldn't mind getting these back:>Suzy's Pieces>Aqua's FTW>Muse dance perms>Azurlane/Arknights perms>Mahjong soul perms>Nene's old outfit
>>56661875I notice that many subreddits love making boogiemen out of certain groups/other subreddits. Like how posters on r/hardware butch about le evil AMD and its GPUs despite only owning like less than 10% of the market share. For r/virtualyoutubers it’s hololive and its fans Reddit schizos make /here/ faggots look sane.
>>56662496Please show some respect, his name is pronounced Yucky Wilson
why cant we have a singing whore chuuba in EN vtubing. Feels like Miori can be pushed into 18+ streams now that she has dropped out of uni. Roca has done one (1) ASMR stream as her PL where she licked ears and got into it and never did it again.I NEED AN EN SINGING WHORE CHUUBA NOW
>>56662533Trust the plan
Is it normal to not get notifications for new shorts?
>>56662608I really just would like muse dash perms, one or two happy gura streams would be great for the holidays.
>>56662592I think her stream educating her audience on how to behave was more harmful than the collabs, though together it did more damage than one alone.
>>56662608>Aqua's FTWhttps://youtu.be/CZGFm-O5IOU?
>>56662586idol isn't going the idol route so they don't need 3D
>>56662639>actively chastising your audiencesmart
>>56662618You have Projekt Melody in Vshojo, you chimpanzee, you baboon, you fucking jackass, you braindead coomer.
>>56662649Ironic
>>56662624I always seem to get notifications several hours after the short is posted. Not sure why, streams always pop up right away for me.
>>56662517A few agreed with the idea of it being a month to grow independently only Mori, Kiara and Bae disagreed with a month ban
>>56662639Ah yes the Kronii/Ame treatment.
>>56662569Bro these girls, all but one is smaller than Peo. Their top girls are lucky if they're 3 views. This is probably shady.
>>56662570Can you find me a single example of a channel that has lost an emote, not just changing it to a different one? I can't prove it since you can't see membership numbers, but my pet 2views certainly have dropped below their peak numbers that resulted from membership gifting during the first streams and they still have all their emotes.
>>56662665Not a singer
>>56662643Can she still sing this in Karaoke or 3D? I don't think she can
>>56662608>chink still trying to gaslight people into accepting Cover going back to b2
>>56662482They won't even touch HoloEN unless Jap fucks up. NijiEN is fair game though.
>>56662608This except the nene outfit. That shit's atrocious. Mahjong soul perms alone would be a huge asset for hololive knowing every branch of hololive have members that can play mahjong competently. The tournament will get 200k ccv if done correctly
>>56662659>For any chuuba reading this:You never need to chastise your audience, you need to reward and pay attention to the people behaving the way you want chat to behave. Scolding just sets a bad vibe.
>>56662697The only thing she lost was the LoL performance.
>>56662697pretty sure she sang it in on of her 3d livenot recently but that's because the song is no longer relevant