/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56546760
use that 25% to buy a fucking ad

>>56546760
Not bad. They have in house editors and support for their talents to help pay for.

>>56546856
idol does. They just don't bother with 4chan ads, which is smart. They get it for free.

>>56546760
>After Youtube Cuts
So only 10% more than Hololive? Honestly I thought it would be better

It's not going to hurt Cover any, they don't let in tons of talents into their EN branch. And just immediately being a popular figure and earning tons of cash off of streams/memberships will be more than what they can earn in through Cover.
Who knows if Phase is any different, but Anycolor and their fans are absolutely panicking in wake of their 2% merch cuts.

>>56546760
As expected of the jewcorp.
So the talents are now paying for editors, staffs, music producers, games, equipments, and other misc stuff?
So this effectively makes the cut to 60%. If they gonna have a concert, the talents will also pay for that, right? So they gonna take less than 60%?
What a fucking scam.
Vshojo gives the talents 100% of the earnings from streaming.

>>56546760
Stop spamming threads you filthy fucking shill.

>>56547347
Fish hands wrote this

>>56547297
But that excludes 3d expenses, concerts, and everything else. These idol talents gonna take way lower than holo talents.
That 15% expense for operations is going to blow up the moment they gonna do events and shit.

>>56547347
>Vshojo gives the talents 100% of the earnings from streaming.
But not from merchandise which they get 0. In the end the result might not be that different.

>>56546760
Thats too good actually, means the smallest earners are actually taking money from the company if they fully pay for models and riggings and they dont get at least piss-ghost viewer numbers

>>56547347
>company is a VTUBER AGENCY
>company earns money from VTUBERS
>company uses this money to invest in talents
>bad
kek how retarded are you

>>56547408
Rent free

>>56547485
Vshojo can commission their own merch and they get 100% of that. Vshojo is way better than your jewcorp.

>basically 60% but add the 15% for “projects” into their total
Meh it’s it’s only 10% more and they still haven’t done any 3D or even Lives.

Anycolor will be fucking sweating tho considering that all their new hires are insta 3 views now

>>56547297
>10% more than the top company isn't better
If i was this heeb i'd be bleeding them dry with the ol' "Donate to a jewish farm" shtick

>>56547408
>jewcorp gets called out
>deflect
jew hands typed this

>>56547467
I mean the Holos aready mention they get project money but they blow past the sums, so yeah.

>>56547505
>>56547627
Nerve = struck

Why is the 15% included in their total? Can they opt out? Do they get to put the 15% into a pot that is used for differing levels of investment?

Buy a ad
4channel.org/advertise

Funny thing is proper agencies like Hololive allows their talents to negotiate for their cut so it's not strictly 50%.
Jew corp passes the expenses to their talents but somehow they frame it like the talents take the bulk of the profits. Lmao

>>56547564
i do think this was meant as an attack on nijisanji. the timing is too good with all the other shit going on. idol have auditions open for their new gen right now too so this will probably encourage better candidates to apply

>>56547735
That's the sadiest thing. Most probably they can't. Niji/Holo has the option to hire whoever for their projects. Jewcorp doesn't allow that but passes the bill to their talents anyway.

>>56547735
It’s so they look better. Cover does the same shit but talents already say that they blow past that sum anyways.

This again is only to make Niji look bad in comparison (they don’t even get project money). No one knows about Phase tho, might be the same or they are about to start sweating too

>>56547297
They use stream elements outside of memberships

>>56547816
So true. I once made it to interviews for Nijisanji and wanted to negotiate that I get 3% from merch and then Riku personally laughed at me and quit the call. I never heard from them again.

>>56547816
Jewish manipulation 101. Never trust a man who's never worked a day in his life for his wealth. Especially if he can't eat pork.

>>56547987
>>56547917
In holo/niji talents explicitly said they need to pay for things from their own money, and they get 50% cut. in idol they get 60% cut, while theres extra 15% for project expenses. Learn to read

>>56547861
>jewcorpES
>better talents
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>56548002
I mean some HoloIDs do it too, so it’s not like holos can’t.

>>56548144
I’ll believe you in the Niji one but Hololive talent’s literally have said they go past the budget. Maybe it’s not a problem for IdolEn atm because they have really done shit for projects

>>56548166
i'm referring to EN3, not ES, retard.

>>56547485
The talents in Vshojo also get a cut from merchandise. Maybe it's a small cut, like perhaps 40% of profits on merch but is way better than 2% niji.

>>56548144
>15% for project expenses
Stop being disingenuous. Expenses aren't fixed. Jew idols are most probably going to take home less than 50% all things considered.

>>56546760
nijisanji and hololive in shambles, I hope their talent sees this and demands more when they renew their contract

>>56546760
Nigga I don’t care about your Mossad psyop!!!! Buy an ad!!!!

>>56546760
Oh no no weeb bros? What’s our response to the kikes?

60/40 is probably better than most small (or even big) corporations that tend to just do straight 50/50.

>>56546760
I think we already had that discussion in the past with Steam and Epic.

>>56548902
Yeah but you see the difference is this board is populated with actual vtubers, so it is in fact relevant info to them.

>>56546760
Reality is people will still go for Hololive, that is the golden ticket.
Holo rejects will go to Idols.
And the really desperates will go to NijiEN.
So keep seething.

>>56548363
Don't let Ame be your sole source anon. Ame is the peak example of "Exploitable and illogical". She goes in with an idea (3D studio) and Cover already baits her with "comp you instead of fund you" and she then buys more shit that isn't essential to 3D mocap studios.
Gura, i am hopeful at least, got comp'd her investment in her newer animations already

To summarize:
Vshojo - 0%/100% talents take care of all the expenses
iDol - 25%/75% talents take care of all the expenses
Hololive - 50%/50% company will take most of the expenses
Nijisanji - 80%/20% company will take most of the expenses
PhaseConnect - 60%/40% conpany will take most of the expenses

>>56549209
anon.. you got it reversed

also phase connect takes 50%

>>56549209
>iDol - 25%/75% talents take care of all the expenses
no
40-60, the company allocates 15% for expenses, the vtubers don't actually see that money in hand

>>56549209
Why does idol get a cut if they're not going to foot the bill?

>>56549209
vshojo supposedly has some sort of discretionary budget for assets and content production but i have no idea how big or small it is

>>56549362
Read the chart. 75% goes to the talents but they are the ones paying. 15% is the estimated expenses but this could easily increase.

>>56549209
when you put it this way, it makes jewcorp a black company lol

>>56548503
nijisanji aside, 10% more than Hololive for a lesser brand isn't worth it right now.

>>56549481
No, you read the tweet.
>On average, our talents also indirectly receive an additional 15% each month from our expense coverage.
>indirectly

>>56549209
Niji gets 50/50 from streamlabs and superchats (after youtube's cut), same as Holo. I don't really know where the 80/20 figure originated from but the 2% stat that gets shitposted about a lot applies to merch, which is excluded in the figure in the OP.

>>56549572
No he's trying to paint everyone not Idol or Vshojo as bad. Unless you're retarded.

>>56549209
80/20 isnt a thing you retard, when its known voice packs are 50/50 and SC/membership is 50/50

>>56549727
They're not bad, they just operate differently. Vshojo doesn't provide concerts/big projects whereas in most agencies, it's the management who initiates these stuff.

>>56549727
The only unfair company there is Nijisanji if the numbers are true. Everyone else has their pros and cons

>>56549714
>/vt/ posts about finances
>expecting them to NOT be brainlet fueled jabs at le ebil corpo

>people seething so hard about how this corp doesn't mistreat their talents that they're looking everywhere for anything that could make the info they just released look worse
>while disregarding the fact that it's still really good for their image
I know most of the catalog does nothing but seethe at vtubers all day but damn it's funny how they seethe even more than the usual about idolcorp

>>56549714
its from a different post with a larper saying they are a leaker and ex manager. retards of course believed in that because anyone saying they are a leaker and giving dates and info is real after all, when the 80/20 thing they said couldnt be more unreal

>>56550069
The numbers are true? anon you have to be a complete retard if you believe 80/20 is a thing. each monetization has its own cut.

>>56550115
>jewbros mad their jewcorp is called out for being jews

In principle all open knowledge is good but people knowing more about the deals and wages they and each other get often leads to negativity, workers may become envious or resentful of others or unhappy with their situation and their job.
It will cause more people to try to switch companies and it will cause them to judge others more based on what they earn, it will become a status thing.
Dunking on nijisanji for the 2% was cool because the situation was ridiculous but this isn't great either.
If we start to compare "oh idol gen 4 offers 2000$ monthly, Holo only offers 1000$ monthly, but holo gives 20% of merch and they sell more merch, so X girl is making ####$ monthly" numberfaggotry will just go to a new level.
Corpo vtubers are products of course and streams are a service but exposing this too much ruins any remaining kayfabe fun.
This shit really really reeks of poaching and trying too hard to make themselves look special. Releasing this one stat is fine, it's an open secret at this point what different companies give. And I like idol but going too far on this direction and exposing more and more numbers and making a big deal out of it may be something I actually don't support.

>>56547485
>which they get 0
they get a cut from merch nobody ever said they get 0% from merch, they also don't make the merch as vshojo does all the work and as others said they can even do merch on their own and take 100% from it, company like idol probably can't do that since the IP is not of the talent but the company

>>56550321
Did a rabi fucking touch you or something faggot? Holy shit.

>>56550421
>they get a cut from merch nobody ever said they get 0% from merch
Anon, Kson is the one who said they get 100% from streams and 0% from merch and that they are not forbidden to run a merch of their own.

>>56546760
niji/holo are too big to care about this tactic. phase response when?

>>56546760
I stopped watching Holoshit a year ago for Idol.
I made the right decision one year later.
Anyone else?

>>56550665
>Kson is the one who said they get 100% from streams and 0% from merch
post proof, i followed kson for years and never heard this

Isn't this more relevant to the other small corpos you're fighting for scraps over? I can't imagine you're even a blip on the radar to niji, much less holo.

>>56547347
>this is a bad thing
Corpodrones not even once

>>56550821
literally the vid where she said vshojo is an indie not a corp
go search it yourself

>>56550670
Nothing to prove, both corpos have had at least a handful of their talents explain the metrics....and since almost everyone in SEA forgets, Yagoo and Tazumi used to help each other out in the early days but still communicate to this day
>50/50 split, better offers for multi-years who are pronounced in their branch
>50/50 for VPs, talents strongly encouraged to make more VPs beyond the seasonal ones hosted by their corpo
>Varying % for merch with alot to account for (If talent invested into the initial production, if they hit certain milestones on sales, etc)

>>56547485
>>56550665
eat shit

>>56547348
Phase is 100% to talent, Tenma said so

>>56551004
kek

>>56547816
It's 10% flat rate actually, not 50%. Kiara confirmed it a month or two ago

>>56550830
yes, this is aimed at the other small corps.
>>56551029
what does fishman profit on? coffee money? no one subjects themselves to managing vtubers without some payoff.

>>56550958
>>56551004

>>56548166
NTA but this is something that Holo and Niji lack because ES is one of the fastest developing markets in this interest right now and Idol striking it rich puts them considerably ahead in terms of progress.

>>56550761
you never watched them lying faggot.

>>56549159
I basically make everything I've earned while I go to Idol
Why would I sacrifice a 90% cut on my earnings in Hololive? Their reputation outside EN is at an all time low. When Idol JP happens, Hololive is owakon

>>56551135
I heard it was 4% from Ame's member-only

>>56549209
What's there to hate about VShojo if it's the whitest company in VTubing right now?

As a wagecuck who has to pay nearly 8% of his gross income to the state.. 25% for Idol is just plain robbery. I know that (after tax and currency conversion) 165.000 american dollarinos as a lower class manager is nowhere near idol talents share but wow wee 25% seem way too much.

>>56551234
>>56551004
The tweet you have shown even had the guy saying vshojo taking 100%, which is true. But the talents can make their own, is why Kson said that.

>>56550115
If you truly care about the future of corporate VTubing look nowhere further than Avi's plan. He has everything a company needs to succeed. And I can't wait for Idol JP to take the world by storm, unseating Holosanji in the process.

>>56550670
This reveal objectively makes them both look darker than black and you have to be in denial to assume otherwise.
>>56550830
Idol's #1 at this rate. Just wait for IdolJP.

>>56550115
Idolcorp passing the bill to the talents is like a black company move.

>>56551468
Mental gymnastic gold medalist here, holy shit

>>56551372
>4%
So it's only 2% higher than Nijisanji? Grim.

>>56546760
>wake up
>seethe about nijisanji 16 hours a day
>go to sleep

>>56551686
Idolcorp is the 2nd whitest company next to VShojo though
Sorry 2% and 4% can't cut it, drone

>>56548144
most likely the 15% will increase when they work on bigger project

>>56551516
>>56551600
Why is this jewshill so blatant with posting on cooldown?
Does he not know how 4chan works?

>>56551686
>they say they cover everything the talents buy and it averages to 15% of their income
>"shut up the talents pay for everything themselves, black company"
*buys yacht*

>>56551853
What's the benefit of joining Hololive or Nijisanji in 2023? Seems like Idol offers a much friendlier deal.

>>56551713
kek

>>56551713
Based

>>56552001
>What's the benefit of joining Hololive
400k starting subs and most everything on production side already covered for you?
>or Nijisanji
Good point, no idea.

>>56552001
Good question. One of your jew shills made the mistake of posting your jew idols' sc incomes earlier.
Pic rel.
A fresh holo talent can easily out earn your jew idol's quarterly income in roughly an hour.

>>56546856
>BRINGING UP VTUBER NEWS TO THE VTUBER BOARD IS AD WORTHY
Kill yourself, you're the most pathetic catalognigger spammer.

>>56552464
>most everything on production side already covered for you
Proof or GTFO

>>56552464
you can just look at how much nijien get from subs in less than a month if you are talking about 400k subs

>>56552512
Those SC numbers are right in line with HoloEN's kek
And guess what, they take 75% of that, Hololive only 4%
Total Idol Victory

>fuwawa chokes on yet another good run
Many such cases

>>56552001
a benefit of joining legitimate corpos is that talents no longer need to have another job to make ends meet

>>56552512
>superchat
lol
lmao
holodrones are so funny

>>56552729
You get 75% of the benefits in Idol, only 4% in Hololive.
Sounds like Idol's the upstanding one here for you to get out of paycheck-to-paycheck and Aviel is providing the real talent-first agency that's actually successful.

Ina...

>>56552512
you know they have streamlabs right

>>56552512
Wow. Why are idol fans so poor? Is that one of the reasons why they camp on 4chan cause they don't have shekels to sc their idols?

>>56552812
nice trip jewshill, dont't choke on that zionist cock

>>56552512
Very keen of you to ignore StreamElements donos (which are highly encouraged in the idol community over sending SCs because there's no cut from YT) and membership income.
I honestly wish every corpo would swap to using SE, I'm much less likely to spend cash on a vtuber when I know Neal is getting a piece of it.

>>56552812
>You get 75% of the benefits in Idol, only 4% in Hololive
this jew shill mist be seething lol

>>56552812
AHAHAHAHAHAHA crack deez nuts instant deleting his trip

>>56553098
>>56552939
Christ. Idol talents are so poor they are forced by Abel to use other avenues for donations to avoid Youtube cut.

>>56553390
>giving money to youtube is a good thing
holy shit you are beyond saving

>We give our vtubers the biggest cut!
Same guy:
>Our company isn't profitable.
So at some point this cut will change. And probably soon.

>>56552001
Vshojo boss doesn't even take a cut. Fuck outta here.

>>56553600
>any day now! trust me!!!

>>56553622
He tried to and that's why everyone left.

>>56553600
Learn to read, they said they are profitable.

>>56553098
NTA, but unless there is any method to accurately find out Streamlabs revenue, how do you take it into account? How much does that contribute to their donation revenue? 65% Streamlabs (35% YT)? 70% SE? 90%? What if it's actually only as low as 30-40?
Can't really say anything without seeing figures, you know. AFAIK, you can only see top monthly / weekly / all-time donors from SL

>>56553600
Shouldn't the priority be to earn more money? What's the point of giving all of the profit to the talents if you can't earn shit?
Niji/Holo's profit is in the hundreds of millions.

>>56550761
Watched Holo because of Tempus collabs, but the girls' solo streams were boring as fuck. Got an ad from idol, watched their Hebrew branch and then their EN girls, and I have been into small corpos ever since. Now I only watch FuwaMoco, who are the only good hires in Holo right now.

>>56553925
Selling the company to a bigger company after puffing up how amazing you are and how happy people are to work for you. Someone bigger comes in and sees the talent you have then makes a bunch of changes to make the company profitable. Talented people either leave or begrudgingly sign shitty contracts under the new company.
I've been through this a few times. Not in the streamer world of course.

>>56550761
I left Idol after they terminated their Hebrew talents.
I will not support a company that doesn't treat their talents well.

>>56551029
That's 100% bullshit

>>56553390
Not only are you a holodrone, you are also a Neilcocksucker. Grim.

>>56554145
Never happened.

>>56554145
lmao, unending nijiseethe
you really need to just lie in the catalog when I was able to google this in 10 seconds

>>56554094
Definitely makes a lot of sense.
Whoever is the CEO of Idol is not in it for the long term.

Why are there two threads of the same fucking thing?

>>56554145
True. Living through streaming is BS since Katta still needs to work for a day job.

>>56554337
so what, Shiori gets to have 20 threads about how much her fans being loved cucked both positive and negative at once but this cant have 2?

>>56549209
I'm pretty sure vshojo covers some expenses like travelling for events like kson's plane tickets.

>>56554145
>terminated

You don't even know what you're talking about.

>>56554337
When one thread doesn't go the way he wanted, Aviel makes an new thread of the same thing and attempts to steer it positive once again.
You can see this happen literally EVERY time IdolCorp announces something.

>>56554094
Is that what is happening with Production Kawaii right now?

>>56554423
It's a shitty small corpo headed by a homocollaber. Who fucking cares? This horseshit shouldn't get this much attention.

>>56554145
>Jews being mistreated
OY VEY MORITMAAAAA, ITS ANUDDA SHOAH

>>56554559
damn you seem upset
go back to watching NTR i guess

>>56554530
>right now
They already did that.
https://twitter.com/Prodkawaii/status/1689637729485963264

>>56554484
This rrat has legs. However I would be lying if I didn't start a bait thread myself about idol.

>>56546760
>meanwhile phase gets 50/50 with WAY worse cuts for merch/sponsorships
fishman in shambles

>>56546760
So this is what Idolfags really look like.
Previously I just ignore them, but now I will anti them for fun.

>>56554559
Anon, you cared enough to reply here. That is sad.

>>56546760
>Holodrones
t. nijinigger

>>56547485
>But not from merchandise which they get 0.
But that's wrong you ignorant /vt/ rrat poisoned imbecile.

Not sure why you are bringing Hololive into this since they pay them well which is one of the investors complaints. Only Coco was dumb to think that 50/50 merch sales was not enough until it was known that Niji only gives you 2%. A lot of these girls could cut their streaming by half and live off their merch sales revenue easily.

Isn't this basically close to what both Nijisanji and Hololive offer? They both have a 50/50 split with revenue outside of merch and sponsorships. Guess we'll see the other numbers in the next few days, but how is this blowing out Hololive and Nijisanji?

who cares about cuts when they make pennies. kek

I can only imagine the dancing dog requirements they have for a small corpo if Kronii and Mori were begging for their merch/music sales to reach milestones

>>56552520
This is a holoboard, faggot. Stop going off-topic.

>>56555324
10% bigger cut.
Or if you want serious answer, obviously this is a bait thread, duh

>>56555392
>who cares about cuts when they make pennies. kek
literally THIS

>>56549396
This is wrong.

>>56549979
Drop by VShojo Highlights on YouTube this coming Saturday night to find out how wrong you are.

>>56548435
The 2% is only for physical merch, but even then that changes based on what’s being sold. VPs are an even 50/50, same as for superchats and streamlabs. Cuts and percentages are all over the board for Niji depending on what’s selling.

>>56547347
>holocuck falseflagging as a vwhoretard
astonishing

>>56551468
You're retarded. Stop listening to /vt/. Not even Kson ever said the girls get 0% from merch. What she said was that VShojo makes its money from merch (and sponsors and revenue from things like YouTube shorts and videos that they produce and now apparently also concerts and events), not that the girls take home 0 dollars from VShojo merch.

>>56555251
Which is basically what created this.

>>56552001
I personally don't trust a company out of Israel getting money from their own government to spread positive Jewish outlook whatever the fuck that means. they're essentially taking government grants to fund idol and I do not trust Israel or it's government funded projects.

>>56555661
Apparently merch on booth also gives Livers a bigger cuts.

Jap company is black company

>>56550665
>>56551468
Vshojo does not take 100% of the merch money. The 100% rrat is a retard- or ESL-tier misunderstanding from Kson's stream, where she wrote "buy vshojo merch to support vshojo" on the slide that got posed in the ESL thread while they were having a meltdown. She was explaining that vshojo only takes a cut from vshojo merch, and not from her stream revenue or her personal merch. I don't know how this has survived so long when it's so stupid.

>>56556147
>Livers

>>56548435
>Cue Kronii and Mori begging for an entire stream for people to buy their merch to reach certain marks, like 500k or 250k units sold
You can tell from this that they don't get paid anything noticeable, or at all, unless they hit certain noteworthy marks.
It's to be expected i guess, no point in just letting your talents blanket request merch out the ass but not give a shit if it doesn't sell well

>>56556171
Makes VShojo look bad so it will last forever even if it is an easily disproven lie. Tribalfags have to justify their hatred or they have to admit they're wrong and just being retarded /v/ tier console wars faggots and nobody wants to admit that.

>>56556184
always makes me laugh when they use it seriously in a sentance kek

>>56556147
I’ve heard that but I don’t know where it started. Outside merch is another factor we don’t know because livers get those a lot. I’ve heard that with sponsors the livers get most of that but I don’t know for sure.

>>56556060
for context https://aicf.org/

>>56548144
They also explicitly say there is a shared fund for this kind of stuff, but they often prefer to pay so they don't need to wait in line.
Are idol talents getting a whole deco27 album and an expo in Japan from that 15%? Holos are.

>>56556171
all anti-kson rrats are made by third world retards from /#/ who can't understand her japanese and try to interpret the live translation as some sort of legal document they're finding flaws in
like when she said "i don't think i'll join another company", they interpret that as some sort of blood oath to never be associated with any company ever again

>>56556520
I ate his Livers with fava beans and a nice cianti.

This is what happens to you if you don't start watching idol.

>>56556322
Meds

>>56556322
Anon chan mori literally said that merch sell will affect her next solo concert. Basically she want as much money as possible back to the bread. I don't know about kroni tho but high chance it's the same. They already have enough money for themselves indeed but they also need money for their next project

>>56547347
How do you think corpos functions anon?

>>56546760
This is worse than hololive btw
In hololive they are 50/50 after youtube's cut. This is 40/60. lmao.

>>56546760
And yet holomems still likely make infinitely more based on popularity alone.

You, yeah you, person reading the thread.

See all this brain rot here?

It's cause they don't watch idol.

Dont be like them.

Watch idol :)

>>56559683
>>56560039
*bbbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*

>>56551333
Because you would be forever a 2 views.

>>56560124
I watch Vshojo and indies.

Good morning I hate the Jewish race. Buy an ad you rat kike.

>>56560124
I'll watch idol only if they'd treat their talents well.
Them terminating 3 of their founding members already is not a good start.
I do hope they'd stop being a black company and change for the better.

>>56558830

>>56561965
idol terminated 0 talents so far

>>56561965
>terminating
damn this nijinig has really bad trauma

>>56560124
Idol has nothing to offer.
It's low tier vtubing.
I'm happy they get good money, but they aren't interesting to me in the slightest.

>>56551372
Considering I am actually a member of Ame and have never once heard that in a stream I feel like this is some hard cope. Like at least make it even remotely believable. The Niji 2% thing has some level of actual proof. And now we have actual proof with Idol. And we have heard through multiple grapevines that the Holobtalents make 1/2 of the cut from YouTube after they take their cut which makes that even more believable than a 4% comment that didn't happen and is now mentioned 5 times through this thread I assume by you.

>>56547297
You have to keep in mind that most expenses are fixed, editing, costumes, 3d, marketing, etc cost the same whether they have 100 viewers or 50.000 viewers
Hololive can afford to take a smaller cut so doing better than them in that regards is really fucking good

>>56546760
Nice, are they gonna be able to get more than 30 people for their panels now?

Coni 30k in 1h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSYIQe2wfnc

>>56559084
>has to resort to circumcising the ballsack because jews are already circumcised

I'll be honest with you guys. I don't give a flying fuck what chuubas make. What does it matter if my vtubers are ethically sourced? I don't show up to a stream because some low effort bitch is making bank.
This shit isn't a charity. It's a business. I'm a consumer. At the end of the day, this is YOUR money. What are you getting out of it, aside from some chick reading your gay little marriage proposal superchat?
So this faggot pays his employees properly. Am I supposed to fucking clap? Big fucking whoop. Lord knows this fucker has the money, multiple succesful business ventures, plus government grants? No fucking shit he better be giving them a cut.
You retards act like shit like this is a win, it's something you should fucking expect. What the fuck is wrong with you all?
This shit is fucking embarrassing. I'm ashamed to be sharing oxygen with you faggots.

>>56546760
>Excluding sponsorships or emrchandise
That's where the real money is made lmao. Let's see how much they get from there.

I'll take this thread as a chance to shill the clown 30k celebration stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSYIQe2wfnc

As a kawaii fan I would like to say that kawaii is 50/50 (somethings have a better cut for the talents) but they each have few hundred dollar stipend a month for stream art, overlays and song cover mixing. So it is pretty similar to this.

This man really wants Niji dead huh

>>56547603
No, not really, not when the Top Company is making like 100x the amount that this small corpo is.

>>56575992
Who is he calling?

Didn’t think it was possible to be a more try hard “notice me” company than Phase.

>>56546760
0*75% still 0

So they take 40% but do not provide ANY support aside from cheap 2D models and basic bitch video support.
Forget 3D, Forget Sponsorships, Forget events, Forget concerts, Forget special videos. LOL.
I do not even like holo all that much but damn do they get fucked by holo.

>>56576125
Kidon

>>56575715
Twice graduated used goods whore

>>56576666
The fact that you dont remember getting swarmed by ads tells me you havent been around for long enough for your opinion to matter.

>>56560130
>Getting 60% of a slice of pizza is better than 50% of a whole pizza

Retard.

>>56546760
Good for the Idol girls, but I'll never support Israelis

>>56546760

The entirety of idol has 1,260,450 total followers, of which 45.2% are Rin, 17.7% are Yuko. That leaves 37.1% for the entire rest of the company.

Cover has 75.58 Million followers.
Niji has at least 66.3 Million followers.

In other words, idol has 1.9% of Niji and 1.6% of Cover in terms of raw number potential.

Cover made 2.51B net profits last year. Using those numbers above, the entirety of idol made $40,160,000 of which the talents would then get 60% so $24,096,000. For simplicity sake, dividing it equally amongst the talents, that's $1,853,538 each.

Covers does a 50/50 split, so the $2.51B becomes $1.255B divided equally amongst the 80 talents is $15,687,500.

>>56578805

>>56579304
>Fail
>Gay ass meme from 10 years ago
Go back to plebbit, faggot.

bad business.
learn from niji how to make money

>>56579635
They have 2 different auditions open. They are exceling already.

>>56571918
You sound like a big baby for someone who doesn't care.

>>56578805
Microsoft is worth 2.74 Trillion USD

Cover is only worth 0.09% of what Microsoft is
Clearly Cover should stop trying and just dissolve

>>56580812
Minecraft Steve my oshi

>>56546760
So that's why they don't buy an ad, they barely have enough after giving more than half of it to the girls

>>56547297
>>56547347
These users forgot that Cover and Anikara don't cover the costs of music production or video games either. Laugh at them liberally.

>>56555489
Fuck off Fagoo

>>56578273
>>56555489
FUCK OFF FAGOO

>>56578805
>adding up individual chuuba followers
>ignores that 75% of them are the same faggots.

jews just keep winning.

>>56583263
They do though? It's just that they have a fixed budget, beyond which the talents gotta contribute.

ogey
capcha : BASEDDDJ

Do they have a proper "Box" yet?

>>56551372
The one where she collabs with Rosemi and her T3s?

>>56548144
if holos pay 100% they get to keep 100% of the profits anonchama...
This is why many holos try to do all the merch related stuff themselves when they can... it's also why Korosan's recent live was delayed, she tried to do merch designs herself and underestimated the time required.

>>56551333
you'll never get into Hololive or idol anyway, why the cope?

>Jewish "idol" company starts releasing contracts and earnings percentages
Something about this has my /pol/ senses tingling. Like, what's really the end game here? To get weak Hololive or Niji talents to slip up on stream and spill their info? To get threads generated where anon all conveniently put all the info they've heard into a few easy places to farm info? To get ex-employees to leak info? Something about this isn't right. There is always another motive.

>>56552001
with idol you get 60% of 1000$
with holo you get 50% of 1,000,000$

>>56552001
will you be able to make friends in IdolEN?

Idol is like any start up company promise big at the beginning then gone poof in few years.

>>56547297
Just did the math and it's basically 30% YT, 42% talent and 28% company

Compared to hololive's 35% it doesn't seem much different

>>56546760
Nice so they are making 7.5 bucks weekly?

>>56589732
no, they are literal backstabbing cunts

>>56589268
They're advertising themselves to the talent pool. With this move, they're aiming to be 3rd choice for EN talents behind Holo and Niji and maybe even able to snag a bit of Niji's talent pool too.

>>56590383
damn, really? I haven't heard anything bad from them yet though

>>56555484
It the highschool chump bait, "hey kid do you want to make 1000$ for 50% or make 100,000% for 10%" kinda thing.

>>56590701
There's just a bit of stupid PL drama and one girl who was kinda GFE but then did male collabs. The backstabbing thing was literally just made up. Not even the usual schizos have tried that angle.

>>56590701
its simple
he lied
Even Rin who is a troon panderer and homobegger gets along well with Yuko who hates homostars and drank her own piss on stream and does lewd ASMR
They work together fine because they all trust and respect each other and are able to just agree that they are different

VTubing has entered the "post WoW" era, where everyone's trying to make a clone of the market leader thinking that's how you make money, and then getting surprised that people will just blink at you and continue watching the market leader.
Why settle for a lower quality version of what already exists?

The issue with small corpos is basically that they don't have an end point, or a goal that the talents can strive towards. This is even an issue for Nijisanji.
If Holos get their 3D that can be used to do concerts and 3D Lives, appear in Hologra, or in weird cases like Mori, be used in your music MVs.
It also allows them to do variety shows and comedy skits (some of this they can do even with just the Live2D).
If you're a Niji, you better be one of the bigger money earners, or your "3D debut" will also be the last time your audience sees your 3D.

What do Phase, Idol, Kawaii, Prism and other small corpos have to look forward to after getting their 3D?
Lives and 3D performances... but with a much lower production value compared to Holo...
Maybe some of them could do more variety stuff? Although none of them seem to think anything other than idol stuff exists...
Hell Niji's """unhinged""" niche is easier than ever to get into, since none of their EN talents are ever going to be doing more than 1 3D program annually.
Or, since you're not a Japanese company and no Japanese person is watching you, throw away the shackles of Japanese culture and look towards western entertainment.
Drama skits or standup comedy can be done even without 3D, and no one's attempted it before.
Mythbreakers still remains one of the only EN attempts at building a fun TTRPG campaign, that niche is wide open.
Animated shows with more Eastern oriented comedy haven't been attempted either.
Hell you could even be bold and try to imitate the HoloJP closeness by either getting all your chuubas from one city, or getting them to move there in order to have a group with more chemistry than current HoloEN or NijiEN can provide, focusing more on offcollab girls party nights where they can do all sorts of fun stuff with each other and get free money from people just watching them.

Everyone's just trying to copy the big visible Hololive "idol" program without considering the fact that they've done pretty much all types of variety shit on their main channel, and all sorts of content among their individual chuuba channels as well, stuff like the summer festival, sports fes, various tournaments etc etc.
And if the modern day MMO scene is anything to go by, they will not learn from past mistakes and continue debuting more and more chuubas that are just holo-lite in every way.

>>56592026
Animated shows with more *western oriented comedy

>>56546760
WIll this kill the other small corpos?

>>56583263
How many talents does this corpo have again? Come back when they start hiring 30+ people

>>56547485
>But not from merchandise which they get 0.
the dumbest rrat on the market as others have pointed out.

Also the chart in OP mentions specifically it's not about merch and sponsorships.

>>56589407
>50%
clearly someone hasn't seen the newest info 4,383 payout to talents = 21% of total revenue
https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/964b1b7a/09f7/4be1/9415/fe25251d510d/20230809143240714s.pdf

>>56555483
This aint reddit anon.

>>56546760
So it not 75%

When even small corpos are able to offer better deals than the bigger ones you know things are fucked up

>>56598039
Retards fail to actually understand that the 15% ISN'T a cut from their vtuber activities (i.e supas+ ads). It's something that the talents receive in addition of their 60% cut ON AVERAGE. You just have to read the tweet.
This is huge for the talents especially at beginning. Not having to pay for every asset right when you're starting is amazing in this industry.
Then one you're good to go you don't have to pay for things for games, editors, pc hardware update, ever. MVs are also incredibly expensive (a MV for a cover will not cost 300$ like that retarded redditor said in his exemple it will be in the 1k-2k$)
The only way it will ever fucks the talents
over is if the talent is a lazy bum that only plays one game without trying to do anything else. Other than that even if there is a hard cap on MV cost for exemple that is a huge benefit for the talents.
I don't even watch Idol chuubas but come on you have to be a complete retard to try to turn this into a bad thing.

>>56597480
If you're counting by total revenue of the entirety of Cover then that's way more than 1 mil dollars.
The total average holo income would be at least 910mil JPY/80, which is 11.375 mil JPY quarterly. Thats on average, like 72k USD per talent on their weakest quarter. Although the top 20 holos make 60% of their total income, so the bottom would be lower and the top much much higher. I don't think you understand the sheer mass of Hololive.

>>56599777
still doesn't change the fact that ppl will 50% this 50% that when the cut isn't anywhere near that, based on last years payouts its around 400K USD pretax per talent outside of the top 20 60% shit. Which ends up being pretty much 21%, I'm not saying they don't make money just that people pull random shit out of their ass for the cut.

>>56599540
>This is huge for the talents especially at beginning.
No, it's not. Idol talents pay for assets to stay competitive. Legit corpos get those for free. Artists would lineup and lick Yagoo's shoes for clout.
They totally operate on different leagues.

>>56598039
It's totally a jew-level marketing talk. If it were 75%, they'd say it directly without footnotes.

>>56547603
Anon, Idol is not your average goyim farm. Like, Avriel may be atypical shrewd and possibly unscrupulous Judd businessman, but he is also a weeb, first amd foremost. If the rrat is true, he literally started a company for both his irl gf and Israel's small otaku corner. That he managed to grow his company takes some dedication. In a way, he's like a Hebrew Yagoo

>>56546760
>talents pay for the expense coverage
classic jewish manipulation, don't fall for this

>>56552001
>>56551516
Please don't group Hololive with the Nijis. As much as I like Idolcorp, I like Holo as well. To me, Idol is doing well because it is operating like Holo, and in a wsy better than Vshitshow and Kurosanji

>>56552001
Hololive is obviously the best deal, but its literally creme de la creme at this point. The most recent EN gen were all heavyweights, namely a longtime EN vtuber, a Gura-like who did a lot of projects, a very memorable pair of twins, and a BERY active fangirl who did a great CityPop cover. With how hard it is to get into Holo, I can see why some aspiring chuubas would prefer Idol corp

But yeah, Nijisanji is a shit choice lmao. Unless you are a hugs Tsukino Mito fangirl like Pomu I see no point

>>56592026
>the "post WoW" era
>Why settle for a lower quality version of what already exists?

I like Guild Wars 2. I dislike the subscription model WoW and FF14 have. GW2 will be doing an annual expansion thing soon, but it is still overall cheaper than either MMO. Does that answer your question?

>>56600134
The actual cut varies by situation and specific contract. We know from Coco that their youtube split is 50%, after youtube takes their 30%. And we know from Lamy those terms are negotioable after the first year. You can't put a fixed number on merch cuts because the terms are going to be different depending on the situation.

>>56600864
They get everything else

>>56553713
>Source: it was revealed to me in a dream

>>56601079
The latest girls NijiEN recruited were just japs trying to skip the trainee program NijiJP runs

>>56601506
>highest paying contract
objectively wrong, highest percentage maybe but calling it the highest paying contract is a literal lie
>we will pay for everything
I thought it was 15%, what if their streaming expenses cost more than that? another lie
>marketing and growth
maybe they should try buying ads instead of using you interns

>>56601244
Holy shit this is the first time I've seen someone talk about GW2 of its threads on 4chan.

>>56600540
>Idol talents pay for assets to stay competitive.
Source next thread?

>>56601801
Its a good game despite the lack of advertising. Even Biboo mentioned it on Holotalk.

>>56601883
It came to him in a dream, same with the part as the other corpos giving them for free when the Hololive girls constantly talk about paying for their own assets.

>trusting grifting jews
okay lol

>>56546760
>that 15% on talents portion
man jews are so fucking dishonest its not even funny

>>56602032
it's funny because 60% is already good but they just can't help themselves

>>56547347
not exactly, their vtubers have mentioned in the past about having to pay for some shit with their own money and not those funds

>>56547503
This is a worse take away than Twitch which is saying something 70/30 should be non-negotiable in contracts but these talents dont have any clue what they are signing and are desperate

>>56602005
Yeah I don't know if he's just falseflagging or if he's just a delusional retard.

>>56551706
That’s literally %200 over you fucking baffoon. How is that “grim”? The only thing grim is ninisanji

>>56549209
If VShojo was so good, why did Vei, Silvershit and the fleshtuber leave it?

>>56602730
/rrat/ is that it has to do with the upcoming concert. Vei absolutely does not want to be an idol. Silver has some drama with the other chuubas.

Nyanners is a different story - she no longer is an ironic 4chan shitposter and is now looking to settle down. Rrat is that she was exposed as a poseur by Kiara, who is genuine as both an idol otaku and someone who worked hard for that idol dream.

>>56602897
>Silver
sounds like the hogwarts drama with the trannytuber trying to backstab her

Hololive - 35% out of a 100k is still 35000
Nijisanji - 2% out of a 25k is ew
Jewcorp - 65% out of a 1k is 650

>>56602160
you're a special kind of retard, arent you?

>>56603042
nitpicking twitter spaces
also
>superchats


Yuko yurei for example earned like 30k+ usd on her donothon alone

>>56603042
they dont use superchats you literal retard...

>>56602730
It's literally just an easily checked fact.
Mythic also doesn't seem to take money from donations / superchats / subs btw.

>>56602944
You're taking all catalog baits as fact, huh?

>>56602944
Its likely, but it could also be coincidental. Consider that /vt/ likes to pile on twittertroons for making Pikamee leave because of Hogwarts, but they ignore the fact that Pikamee did not get her 3D live or much support.

I think there's a clear clique problem in Vshojo, similar to what Niji has. Kson is not leaving, most likely because she wants to make her Whorelolive ripoff. Nazuna is showing disinterest because she's still stuck in Rushialand, which baffles me as to why she renewed her contract. The clique /rrat/ could explain Silver slowly being ostracised.

>>56603043
How is that retarded? %20 is pushing it unless the agency is doing everything

>ITT: holo vs niji vs jew interns

>>56583263
Retard.

>>56603167
1k is still 1k, retardo. Just this week is only $67.5. She'd still earn more or less $1k a month. Shit's weaker than the minimum average salary.

>>56603083
>30k
lmao, how many times can she even do that? Holos earns more than $100k in just one birthday, let alone SCs, events, sponsorships etc that they're doing.

>>56601506
Buy an ad, intern-kun.

Idolfags are some of the strangest corpo bootlickers I've ever seen.

>>56600134
What most people don't know is that cuts are not a fixed number. There are other costs and expenses that reduce the amount they take home. They don't get paid separately, they get a one lump sump every month for everything, minus the expensive equipment (KU100s that cost 10k, Rtx 4090 to play Minecraft, mics), games they buy that they declare as company expenses, the cover and OG songs, the different new outfits they commission, the funding for their custom merch and the tournaments/events they organize (Towa using her salary to organize the Mario kart tournament), etc. They get paid after all these expenses are removed, so it looks like they are not getting paid as much (better for tax purposes)

>>56603524
shes on a break anon.. she didnt even stream once this month, those are twitter spaces

>>56555251
Coco is objectively right. Niji is a black company (actual). So drawing a comparison isn’t being fair to Coco. I would be surprised if 2 was even a real figure

>>56603630
Better than YouTube worshipping holobronies

>>56603042
When you have to resort to falsifying info, the Jews have won

>>56602730
I'll give you legitimate reasons.
>Silver
Seems to be unhappy within VShojo. As for reasons why? Possibly the Hogwarts shit, possibly jealousy of Mouse, possibly because she grew apart from everyone else besides Vei.
>Vei
She said it was purely for financial reasons. It can be assumed that Mythic offered her a far better contract and the bonds she had within VShojo were too weak to keep her there.
>Nyan
She's the special case. No one really knew why she left. Possibly a mix of money and other personal reasons.

>>56604088
Not a single group likes Idolfags. Not Holo, Niji, Phase, Vshojo or anyone else.

>>56603630
there are no idolfags, it's all paid shills

>>56604293
>She said it was purely for financial reasons.
When did she say that?
I only remember that she wanted to call her fans retarded and not have to consider the brand reputation.

>>56603524
holy fucking retard.... that doesnt track stream elements and shes hasnt been streaming due to personal stuff aparently
how the fuck can you even be this retarded?

>>56546760
Good for them. That’s a pretty good deal for a small corpo.
But that’s not really a jab at the three big corpos. The opportunity in viewership is so big that they could have a 90-10% split and it would still be worthy.

Also they’re all about being higher than the industry standard, but it seems to be just about average and in line with the rest of the industry to me. 60% split is nice but anything less than a 50% split is basically a black company and we didn’t need idol corp’s input to know that.

>>56605683
when they announce sponsorship and merch numbers it will probably give an even better picture.

>>56605755
No it won't, because other places aren't even saying their splits. It's pure posturing from Idol.

>>56606178
ok so we know Niji's 1% and Cover's 10%
who the fuck cares about anyone else?

>>56606218
>ok so we know Niji's 1% and Cover's 10%
Those numbers have absolutely nothing to do with donation split which is the only thing idol corp has shared yet.
Cover’s split is THOUGHT to be 50-50 based on ancient saying from the talents, but this is not an actually known number.

>>56606422
holy fuck you stupid nigger read

https://twitter.com/AvielBasin/status/1693605547310731595

>>56601782
>another lie
nope
https://twitter.com/AvielBasin/status/1693605547310731595

>>56606917
>>56606949
That’s pretty fair, good for them. But none of this is "above" industry standards. I appreciate the transparency but it seems just like any other respectable agency. Sure 60% is better than 50%, but that’s not that huge of a gap.

>>56607747
>But none of this is "above" industry standards
incredibly retarded cope

>>56608069
50% if the industry standard
60% is above average, none of this is ground breaking

That’s a lot of communication and corpo bullshit for pretty normal stuff.

>>56608170
you have to be being retarded on purpose

>>56603524
Anon, he's a boo bro - back in the day her fans were going about how her numbers are huge and she is leader of Idol because of that.
Once Rin started to mog her at every front, numbers became bad and anyway, she still earns more but they can't prove that.

>>56608279
>back in the day her fans were going about how her numbers are huge and she is leader of Idol because of that.
never happened

>>56608279
damn you literally just stole the shit[post people say about chumbuds and applied it to another fanbase

>>56608634
>chumbuds
and where do you think Yuko fanbase comes from?

>>56608728
ah so that is why you are seething
makes sense now