/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56546256
oh yea here is the tweet
https://twitter.com/idol_corp/status/1693356309163160029

So it’s a 60/40 split

>>56546256
>>56546302
good

>>56546256
That's great actually

>>56546256
This is clearly a lie and all of you will believe it

>>56546256
Who could've guess that the Jews were the cleanest most transparent company all along

>>56546609
of course, anything that doesn't align with my narrative is a lie

>>56546256
Watch holobronies and nijidrones come out of the woodworks again and say that transparency is le bad If their company did this they would be bragging about it till the end of time.

>>56546609
that would be criminal considering he has investors who would be misled

>>56546256
I wonder if I can learn spanish in time to apply

we get it you don't have money for ads so you post on 4ch.

Nobody's watching your shit corp

>>56546695
Are you
1. a little girl
2. retarded
3. already streaming
if all these apply, maybe

>>56546725
They literally bought tons of ads and all their members and in the three digit range of ccv...by a lot most of the time

>>56546256
where's the yacht percentage

>>56546725
>is literally the only corpo who buys ads to the point people seethe about it so fucking hard they made an entire reddit meme in "buy an ad" out of it
>doesnt buy ads
seethe Nijifag

>>56546676
he's a fucking Israeli sponsored zionist, he will never face repercussions for crimes unless he disavows the zionist part.

>>56546609
Well anon, I'm pretty sure you can prove otherwise

>>56546256
Not every corpo has Israeli funding, will they ever release those numbers?

>>56546256
Is this why his latest gen still check in with their RM?

>>56546256
Buy an ad

>>56546388
>>56546609
>>56546725
>>56546838
>>56547071
>>56547074
>>56547150
The Nijiseethe in this thread is going to be wild

Buy an ad

>>56546256
>>56546302
this doesnt really look that impressive, it's not really that crazy to have 60/40 split when theres shit like vshojo with a 100/0 cut, would be interesting to compare sponsor/merch with others but there's no data from anyone on that, even if idol post their cut other companies probably won't post merch sponsor cuts and it would be almost impossible for some people in vshojo to show their cut since they are managed by vshojo and UTA

>>56547283
>vshojo with a 100/0 cut
idk why you would just lie about this
plus with so many of its talents leaving its clearly not worth being in

>>56547205
Jewshills only response is to accuse others of being nijis KEK, buy an ad for them goyim, your shitty corp will never beat Hololive

You can smell the bone chilling fear the Nijisisters feel towards Idol. the day Niji loses the #2 spot in the global market I'll open a bottle of kosher wine to celebrate.

>>56547371
Release the contract, zhang.
Oh, right, you won't. Because then even fewer people would apply.

imagine being this angry over talents NOT getting screwed over. the fuck is wrong with nijifags? lmao

>>56547371
damn you sound called out

15 percent for expenses is very misleading. Rin just talked about it on stream about how that 15% goes towards the whole company, not the individual talents. Said she had to pay for a cover song herself because the budget was all on Gen 2 at the time.
So if you say this is a 60/40 cut, that's less than Holo, which is 70/30.

>>56547551
link

>>56546256
>Talents pay for music, games and other stuff
What did they mean by this?

>>56547371
Talents potentially getting 75% of merch as opposed to 2% or in Mysta's case fucking 1% is a better deal, Anycolor intern. Better work harder otherwise you won't have any talented girls willing to be in your next gen.

>>56547453
>>56547510
>>56547525
>>56547532
3 shekels have been deposited in your account.

>>56547610
Remember, they are masters of double speak and will purposefully state conflicting information to confuse you.

>>56547610
damn if only you could read the chart

Hololive's cut is not 70/30. Coco said that her, Hololive, and youtube basically all get 30% of superchat, so in simple terms it's 50/50

>>56547610
something something jews something something untrustworthy

>>56546256
X% of not much is still not much. Besides waiting to see how they divide up other things like sponsorships and merch, you also have to consider the strategy. By spraying and praying, it doesn't matter if most of them fail to gain much support, they can be kept streaming for very little return if the expectation is that they need to work a real job besides their vtuber contract work. Expense coverage is also given in percentages which mans that if you're under-performing then your coverage is also low, and effectively they're not going to lose much beyond the initial investment. There is no real down-side to keeping a talent that brings in less than sweatshop wages, because it's still good for the overall brand cohesion, and there is always a chance they could improve later. For the talent the down-side is also that they need to live and keep performing even if it isn't making them any money, for the hope that one day they'll go viral or something, but otherwise they're paid in dreams. The few that do well will make it worth it for the company, either breaking even overall or gaining a small profit and potential for more. But if that talent falls off then the investment in them also drops and they'll need to get a real job in addition to their contract work.

I wouldn't say that sounds much like caring, but it does make reasonable business sense.

>>56547585
Member's only stream right now. Yeah I know that makes me look sus.

>>56546838
Halal hands typed this.

>>56547702
whoops meant to reply to >>56547551

>>56547702
Kson has confirmed 50/50 with zero support outside of that a couple of times

>>56547353
It's well know since the beginning of Vshojo that they don't take cuts from their channels.
Maybe you should stop lying anon.

>>56546256
https://streamable.com/k9y6tb

I will never trust the words of a man who can't eat pork.

Someone make the niji graph now

>>56547610
>>56547669
the 15% is from their profit, that they reinvest in talents, of course a fucking vtuber agency is going to profit from vtubers

>>56547702
>>56547765
it has already been more than 2 years since her graduation. things have most definitely changed since then lol

Im sure the only person who actually gets decent viewership(Yuko) is very happy about this.
Love all the niji comments to, every single time, issue that pertains to another company but LE NIJIS

>>56547964
Then it isn't 75/25 cut retard. Where is the line? Does paying for managers count as reinvesting? What about ads? They cut isn't 75/25, it's 60/40 and the jews are doing jew things to make it look better than it is

>>56547778
Citation needed. I've never once heard anything about vshojo not taking any cut, but I have heard a member warn people to carefully read contracts while she and a couple others all jumped ship at once.

(not that vshojo is even directly comparable since they don't even fund models)

>>56548078
True, its probably worse now seeing as Hololive is only getting more and more greedy and its talents are getting less and less happy

Factory managers in third-world countries really care about their workers too. See, they pay for the materials and the machinery that the workers use and let them work longer to earn a little more.

>>56548138
the line is at the difference, in Hololive, nijisanji, phase connect, and all other corpos talents get 50% and pay for projects from their own pocket. idol gives 60% and also 15% for projects.

>>56548177
no, their focused shift to merch which has made every talent they have rich

>>56548078
>going publicly traded
>changing rates for the better/more generous
lol
lmao

>>56546672
I'm a NijiGOD, I support what Idol does. They have recruited some great people and are enjoyable vtubers.

>>56548138
Operating costs don't count as their cut tee hee hee.

>>56548138

>>56547353
>>56548172
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dor-lBUwt5k&t=2575s

here, hear it from one of the girls that left

>>56548255
Performance based contract work is still pretty shoddy no matter the company unless you're guaranteed popularity through the brand.

>>56548227
don't pull a muscle stretching this hard

>>56548414
Read what to disprove that they're being intentionally deceptive about the numbers

>>56548342
>NijiGOD

>>56547610
>>56547964
>>56546256
It's a typical marketing trick for PR you dumb fucks, the actual cut is 60/40 which is still decent in this industry so good for the girls there.
It's just a dishonest technicality to make it look 75% for presentation to trick the feeble minded as a startup practice when presenting numbers. Holo and most non black company corpos for instance will set aside some of their company cut to spend/invest back into the talent as well but they won't present it as part of the talent's cut as it goes without saying.

>>56547353
the 3 vshojo girls who left did so because they got a huge signing bonus for joining mythic

>>56548601
It's not a stretch, not at all. The company invests in their means of production? That's the minimum they could do just to be profitable. Call it caring if you like but be consistent.

>>56548611
>this 15% goes directly to anything they want to buy that's related to their job
>SHUT UP IT DOESN'T COUNT

>>56548454
>trusts Silvervale
ok bud...

>>56548800
>trusts israelite cryptobro

>>56548800
you can look it up literally every member said it, this is just the first thing that came up i don't have this shit saved

>>56547702
It's around that, it doesn't matter anyways because the comparisson is you win 70k, the company takes like half or more of that and you have around 30k, in small corpos you get a 60%, yeah, out of 7k. You still have enough to live and maybe in the future this value increases, but that may mean more expenses in the company, which means a new contract in which the values change. Holos earn hundreds of thousands of dollars with merchandise, things that small or medium-sized companies cannot afford so freely if they only take a 25% of the talents money. The majority of people who enter to holo don't even care about money after a few months unless they have to invest it in some very large project or in their lives. This feels just more an attack to phase, kawaii and those other companies, and most likely taking advantage of people who hate nijisanji to continue the mockery, they still use holo to get some views and that's why they would never try to get into their territory

>>56548800
>silver joins and says they keep all their stream revenue
>"I don't trust her..."
>silver leaves and never says they took her stream revenue
>"they must have taken her money"
what do you call this

>>56548600
how is that performance based? they said its the average

>>56549108
Yea im sure they pay for the lawyers and management and concert stuff with zero money

>>56547353
VShojo takes a cut from merch and sponsorship. They don't take stream revenue.

you can actually get free money from the israel government for project and other shits since america is paying for it kek

>>56549287
Considering that's where most of the money's to be made, the rates there matter a lot.

>>56549178
they take sponsor and merch cut retard learn to read, we just don't know merch and sponsor cut because basically nobody corpo or indie shares how much their managers take for sponsors, also ironmouse and zen are in a different agency for sponsor so it's even more complicated

>>56546256
what are phase connect's numbers?

>>56548944
Yeah I agree with pretty much all of that, I was just correcting the retard spreading lies.

>>56549424
it's pretty irrelevant when the talent can make their own merch and sponsorships and keep 100%.

What's my cut for shilling Idol?

Looking through what they promise to set up new talents, we'll be liberal and say about $6k average, and they have 13 talents. So $78k initial investment, plus business and legal expenses. Lets say $100k or $200k max. Give it 5 years to recuperate the initial investment, so at max we're talking about $3.3k/month, so $13.3k in total revenue, of which talents get 60%, so about $80k, divided over 13 talents, about $600/month is what the talents would get minimum for it to be worth it for Idol Corp. If you say nah lets do $100k investment and needing a return over 1 year, then it's about $1.5k for the average talent.

So they would care enough to help you get minimum wage or less.

>>56549754
It's free ;)

This is the full tweet for more context

Avril or whatever the fuck his name is will sell off Idol by the end of the year. Since Idol currently isn't profitable (his own words), contracts will have to be negotiated under the new company.
It's a classic move and one he's pulled before.

>>56548793
It isn't a 75/25 cut retard then. They're being intentionally deceptive and contradicting themselves.

>>56549111
My god, dude... Do you not realize that the percentage doesn't guarantee the raw revenue? What is 60% of $10?

>>56549878
How is that a secret when literally everyone knows the holo/niji cut for every main source of revenue

After Youtube takes their cut too. Let that sink in for a moment.

It's hilarious that you guys attack EVERYTHING not pro hololive kek

>>56546256
>the jew company is winning
ROSAMI AND POMU! PLEASE LEAVE NIJISANJI!!! NIJI IS DONE FOR!!!!

>>56550039
not really contradicting, learn to read:
https://twitter.com/AvielBasin/status/1693366427661504624

>>56549733
If it's irrelevant then why did they choose to leave and warn others about reading contracts?

>>56550039
>they pay for everything
>this money averages to 15% of their earnings
>this money also goes directly to cover the talents' equipment, projects, games and so on
>SHUT UP IT'S NOT 75% THEN IT DOESN'T COUNT THEY'RE A BLACK COMPANY

>>56550290
>average coverage
So it could be more or less depending on the talent.
That makes it even more deceptive.

>>56550224
Hololive contracts would be a bad deal too if their talents had 100ccv on a good day.

>>56550372
how is that deceptive if they stated its the average multiple times?

holy retard take your meds

>>56550224
I wonder if the holodrones even get paid.
They remind me of apple users.

>>56550224
Anon they attack everything hololive too

Niji, Vshojo, and Phase are dead!

>>56550464
Too bad we're talking about Idol. They're small but they are also growing hence why this board keeps fucking bitching about them like gossipy mean girls.

Niji cuts the other way. Not only do they get a lower percentage of the total, but any expenses comes out of their own pocket.
So basically if you have 600 viewers in Idol, it's the same revenue as having 1k viewers in Nijisanji revenue-wise.

This is important because the female vtubers of NijiEN are not doing well, and several of them are getting like 500 viewers or even less. Under those circumstances joining Idol is a better bet.

>>56550290
Nigger it's 60/40. The graph is intentionally misleading. Are ads considered an expense? What is the line for an "expense"? Do all the talents get equal expense coverage or is it based on income? Because "The 15% represents our average coverage for talent expenses." does not mean that Rin get 15% as her 15% is very different from Nikki's 15%. The graphic and their wording is some CNN/FOX tier graph making.

>>56550477
He's effectively saying "The individual talent is not guaranteed that 15%. They could get 0%. It's an average after all!"
Meaning the 75/25 split is still deceptive, it's 60/40 and there's no certainty they'll see any of that 40.

>>56546256
What is the purpose behind joining agencies? What exactly justifies a 40% cut, especially when they point out that on average, only 40% (15% of total) of that 40% cut is reinvested into the streamer?

I don't understand how any of this makes financial sense for the streamer.

>>56547551
Wait you’re telling me the troon Gura leech is mad this isn’t like Project Kawaii where one talent can occupy all management resources and handicap future gen growth? Good Goys…I don’t feels so good…

>>56550224
>>56550464
>>56550492
>>56550604
Rent free, nijikeks

>>56547240
Chumpedo

>>56550492
>>56550224
It's hilarious you guys pretend Idol is a top company right now, get there first. Remind me of when you guys shill these other small corpos that died horribly.

>>56550351
NTA but if other corpos are covering a good amount of expenses for things like 3D, concerts, etc whereas Idol talents need to fund those things out of pocket with that 15%, the comparison definitely paints Idol in a more favorable light on purpose without telling the full story. Even at 60/40 their rates are better than Holo/Niji but the way the infographic is presented is a little disingenuous.
>>56550811
I don't know if this is fully accurate either. We know some things they've done are paid out of pocket, like Selen's belt for WrestleSanji. But Niji also pays for new outfits, 3D, etc. I don't think they pay for travel costs, but I don't think Hololive does either (iirc Moona talked about having to pay for a lot of stuff out of pocket). It's probably just not that informative to have an "expenses" tab because of how much it'll change on a case-by-case basis.

>>56550940
Brand power. This is the only real reason to join a corpo.
For example, Shiori was a 3 view that slipped into 2 view territory for five years. Now she's streaming to 10k people a day. It isn't that she's a good or bad streamer, it's that she has that blue play button logo associated with her name.

>>56550853
nice try to spin it, but he answered that
https://twitter.com/AvielBasin/status/1693368691566526693

>>56550758
It's only too bad because paying in percentages when you're small is terrible. You're an idiot if you think otherwise. It would only be good for talents if the company committed to paying a flat wage plus percentage. Otherwise if a company offered talents stock in addition to percentage of revenue. It is too bad for the talents that Idol Corp isn't big enough and doesn't support them enough to grow.

>>56551052
Well you're here. Seething about them for free like they slapped your oshis tits and COOMd on her face.

>>56551087
>etc whereas Idol talents need to fund those things out of pocket with that 15
see
>>56551146

>>56551126
That and beating out hundreds if not thousands of applicants to become part of that brand.

>>56551052
idol obviously treats it's girls better than any other small corp.

>>56550986
How does >>56550464 get that reply? If you learn to read instead of being a rabid raging mongrel you would understand.

>>56550003
>Idol currently isn't profitable (his own words)
salaries are an operating expense, so aviel could still be paying himself a tidy salary while the company itself is "unprofitable"

>>56550971
>this isn’t like Project Kawaii where one talent can occupy all management resources
Traitor's seethe

>>56550940
You get more money (unless it's niji lmao) and management to help you out. Staying indie is only worth it if you're already huge since you need to do everything yourself.

I'm glad my company doesn't randomly disclose parts of my salary or benefits to the public

https://twitter.com/AvielBasin/status/1693362893109051419?t=tlfNs_7S1IL0W_dm-petbw&s=19
Some please explain this to me.
15% of what? The company reserves a fifteen percent stipend for production? They only cover fifteen percent of project costs? Does that mean these girls pay out of pocket for the majority of production?
I am legitimately confused here and would appreciate an explanation if this makes sense to someone.
What does this mean?

>>56551126
But it makes sense if you join a company with big brand power. It seems delusional and pointless if you join a company with tiny brand power.

>>56551087
>Niji also pays for new outfits
Do they pay damages for when Luca joins the girl's asmr stream and ruins her appeal?

>>56546256
>*excluding sponsorships or merchandise
ah the classic jew trick

>>56551220
why wouldn't i laught at you?
>>56551268
i hope so, and not another case of "i have to say i am king to pretend to be king."

>>56551400
>Staying indie is only worth it if you're already huge since you need to do everything yourself.
Talent management companies like Mythic exist and have existed for awhile

>>56550940
Retard.

>>56551513
>>56548414

>>56546256
I like my grilled fish with extra virgin olive oil and a little bit of lemon, typically mediterranean.

>>56551464
>15% of what?
I think this has more to do with you being dumb anon

>>56551504
To be fair that is 300 ccv above her average

>>56551502
People are stupid. They see Pippa or Rin's CCV and think "that could be me!" ignoring the others that struggle to stay above 100 viewers.

>>56551542
it's an honest question, don't be mean

>>56551464
https://twitter.com/AvielBasin/status/1693366427661504624

>>56551162
Nigger their EN branch is not even a year old yet. How else is a small corpo supposed to start out? Because we all know Hololive didn't start out as juggernauts of the industry. They were leeching off of NijiJP males.

>>56547205
Doesn't Niji give their member a 50:50 split on default? 10% isn't really such a big gap and you earn more from SC / ad rev being in NjijEN
Even Holo only gives a 50:50 split on SC for new members as well. I know older members can negotiate on that, but I don't think - at least in term of donation / ad-rev - there is any significant difference from 3 EN corpos in term of cuts

>>56551585
Fuck you Im hungry now.
Why is mediterranean so good.

>>56551146
The graph is still intentionally deceptive and misleading. If they had just made it 60/40 there would be no discussion. I'm sure any of the Hololive/Niji can draft up a graph like the make it look like the talents get a 80/20 and where 30% is "expenses".

>>56551464
Holy retard.

>>56550940
Take a look at the literal 2views on Twitch and you'll see why. Even the smaller corpos like Prism and Kawaii would be an upgrade for most.

>>56551752
>a 50:50 split on default?
and all expenses are paid for by the talents, so it ends up being worse for them. Jewcorp pays all of that

>>56551464
It's a 40/60 split. On average, they spend 15% on talent expenses, but this probably varies depending on how much revenue the streamer brings in.

>>56551669
Maybe because they are currently struggling to get five viewers. Do you know how many people out there that literally stream to their own view?

>>56551052
The only ones profiting from smaller corpos dying are the shareholders of cover and anycolor. Nobody else. Not even you as a fan of one or more big corpo tubers.

>>56551517
They seem okay. Obviously there are concerns with small corpos but Idol seemingly cares enough to keep their DEAD hebrew branch around still.

>>56551708
>However, the actual percentage can vary depending on the month, the specific talent, and the number of requests they have.
I have a feeling that that 15% is going to blow up when they start having carrying out events (i.e: 3D). Studio and things like travelling fees can be pretty expensive

>>56546256
>jew wins again
How do you respond to this… without getting angry.

Yeah no thanks, I'll take 30% of memberships and tips from an 8k audience over 75% of those from a 1k audience
Though at the scale of hololive and the bigger nijisanji-sized streamers members you earn way more through sponsored deals than your memberships and tips, it really makes no sense why people are so keen on trying to change hololive from the outside instead of using them as a model

>>56546256
It's nice when you can run a company without making a profit, not everyone got jewish money.

>>56551880
That directly contradicts what Rin said on her member's stream?
>>56547551

>>56551969
That likely wouldn't be part of the 15%

>>56552011
>Yeah no thanks, I'll take 30% of memberships and tips from an 8k audience
but.. you're just a guy on 4chins

>>56551669
I don't think it's stupid as much as it's wishful thinking. What is stupid is violating your contract, which happens plenty of times.

Why some of you guys act like holo will get affected by this?
Holomems is pretty much a touhou character that just need to exist.
They can' comfortably do 1-4 stream a month without any issues . Streaming is honestly a hobby at this point.
Honestly happy that they are earning so much but on the other hand it's make them losing reason to do more stream And yeah I obviously talking about my daughter nakiri ayame

>>56550305
they didn't really leave, they jumped to a new company that offered a large signing bonus.

veibae warned people about contracts because veibae is literally a retard who has no idea what she's talking about every time she opens her mouth. holokeks should remember that at least, she got blacklisted for being stupid.

>>56551534
And they do this managing for free I presume?

>>56551611
Maybe but I don't get it.
>>56551708
So basically it's a stipend? How can that work if the average varies? This would mean that underperforming talents have less retained to pay for production expense.

All of this also makes it sound like there is very little direction for the chuubas, very hands off, which... Can be a good thing I guess?

>>56551956
>but Idol seemingly cares enough to keep their DEAD hebrew branch around still.
*After firing four of them.

>>56552011
>plays pokemon romhacks on stream

>>56551732
>They were leeching off of NijiJP males.
Didn't happen, you homo beggar.

>>56552075
This obviously doesn't affect holo, but this does affect Niji considering Idol is becoming more competitive with their girls now

>>56551670
Not that guy, but agencies are suppose to bring in more viewers, for example Fuwamoco before Holo and after Holo.
There are also legal protections, people are happy to fuck with indies who don't even have money to hire a lawyer, but hesitant against a company, for example Nijisanji who have enough resources to go after a dramatuber for 3 years.

>>56552175
>agencies are suppose to bring in more viewers
but agencies can also ruin your reputation. Like if you join Niji and become tainted a whore while various males make sexual passes at you. Or if you join Kawaii and get involved in drama. Reputation is very important

>>56551899
Oh, so it's an expense that's factored into the gross earnings of talents?
I'm sorry I'm not really getting it.

>>56552075
>Holomems is pretty much a touhou character that just need to exist.
You wish chumpfuck

>>56551732
>How else is a small corpo supposed to start out?
That's why startups sweeten the deal for early hires. People that help found the company get a share, however small, then they're working extra for their own company. What are these talents working for? Not much.
And Hololive also started out with a decent investment, though I don't know the specifics of their initial contracts. It would have still sucked if it was a percentage of the revenue they bring in and hopes and dreams.

>>56552011
Nah. Idol is the perfect size right now. They can pay attention to chat without it flying by at mach speeds but big enough to not accumulate a cult of groomers. It's like a small family.

>>56552423
A small family that you are not a part of.

>>56552313
Basically the talents take 75% of the earnings, but the company uses (at most up to 15%) some on their behalf to afford things like video editors, staff for music videos, managers, etc.

>>56551822
So corpos profit off of how hard it is to get discovered if you're talented? And what if the corpo is tiny like EIEN?

>>56552011
>the bigger nijisanji-sized streamers members
It's important to note the more popular girls at Nijisanji all came from earlier waves before they introduced the males. Since introducing males, the girls at Niji are dead in the water with 500 viewers. Idol is competitive with them.
Furthermore those top-earning females are losing audience over time

>hololive
obviously is going to pay better than idol, this isn't surprising. Idol is a smaller agency right now.

>>56551935
I am profiting tho, less competitions for my oshi.
I wasn't the one who killed your small corpos either.
Both Cover and Anycolor started as a small corpos and survived, yet you keep having this "they are the enemy" mentality.

>>56552112
Three. Two are still streaming.

Here is a trick question, but I hope anons here can solve it. You are a vtuber that auditioned for two companies and they're both offering you a contract, and both of their income is proportional to the viewers. Company A gets an average of 100 viewers per talent, company B gets an average of 5000 viewers per talent. You have to pick which contract you want.

A. 99% to you, the company keeps 1%.
B. 20% to you, the company keeps 80%.

Being able to choose the correct option will determine your hypothetical success as a vtuber.

>>56552527
I see, thank you anon. That makes it somewhat clearer.
I wonder how that works in execution exactly? Is it something the company deducts upon request? Or is it deducted initially and reimbursed when a talent makes production requests?
Either way it doesn't seem much different from just paying out of pocket, at least to me.
A bit confusing.

>>56552112
It was 3 retard. And they graduated not terminated.

>>56552726
idol average is like 300-400 with some talents being 4view and sometimes passing holos.

>>56552726
Trick question, I choose to get a real job instead.

>>56552313
>>56552527
All expense costs are covered by the corp and average to 15% of their earnings. Because those expenses belong to the talents, this is included in their cut.
I have no idea how this is so hard for some people to understand.

>>56552583
Basically human beings are tribalistic. They are programmed to assign themselves to one tribe or another.
When national identity is eroded away, people become tribalistic for other things, such as sports teams, brand names, movie franchises.....etc. Right now vtubing agencies are how people create "identity" for themselves. They say "I'm a hololive fan" or "I'm a nijisanji fan" and it gives them a feeling of identity. They will go further and assign themselves a specific group "I'm a sapling" or "I'm a deadbeat". A few edgy lone wolfs like being independent from the group and search out indies.

>>56552305
yea that is why i said "suppose."
it isn't black and white like "indie good, corpo bad."

Good for them, still not gonna watch idol

>>56552726
The trick in this question is that views don't equate to donations.

>>56552726
Is the trick know that income isn't proportional to viewers that that scale?

>>56552915
that's only true for dumb humans

>>56552915
If a tribe gets kicked out the lands of 109 other tribes, every tribe should be wary of them.

>>56552726
I take B and do as many offcollabs with people of the opposite gender as possible.

>>56552601
>Since introducing males, the girls at Niji are dead in the water with 500 viewers.
I have never watched a Niji stream. Can someone confirm whether this is real or is this just schizoposting? If so, that's really sad.

>>56553002
not him, but you just went tribalistic with "dumb human" by implying you belong to the "smart human" tribe. irony.

It's probably good this is happening, and this should encourage more people to put pressure on other corpo streamers to release these numbers

>>56552356
It's ironic to use chumfuck since gura is the perfect example of this she literally can sleep for couple of months, wake up to take her monthly allowance, and continue to mimir

>>56552915
That and it gives free reign for people a part of bigger brands like Holo/Niji to shit on everyone else without recourse. I don't mind though since I watch all vtubers opposed to being brand loyal.

>>56553195
Sorry Aviel but people aren't going to dance to your tune that easily.

>>56552870
"real job" is wagie cope, any job that makes you money is a real job, your job just sucks

>>56553153
I don't know how many it applies to, but I watch Elira and the only recent streams I remember being <1k viewers were Layton, everything else decently over 1k

>>56553195
I wonder if Magni and Vesper tried to do union talks and got canned. I mean Unions are a bit much but negotiating contracts at this level of money should be on the table. And it will eventually come to this conclusion the bigger they get. Like sports teams and franchises were dragged for decades to do better contracts.

>>56553154
>I am very smart

>>56553346
"Real jobs" make shit money while fake jobs no one needs make people enough money to retire at 30.
It's bullshit but that's the way the world works.

Hey guys, did you know that in terms of male and interdimensional time traveling female VTuber breeding, Saruei is the most compatible VTuber for degens? Not only is she Prussian, which is rare in itself, Saruei is an average of 169cm tall and 55kg. this means she's small enough to be able manhandled while taking dick, and with her impressive military and combat training, you can be rough with her. Due to her mostly augmented biology, there’s no doubt in my mind that an aroused Saruei would be incredibly wet, so wet that you could easily have sex with her for hours without getting sore. She can also change her hair styles to a ponytail, pigtails, short hair, twintails, along with having cat ears or a mask, so it’d be incredibly easy to roleplay to get you in the mood. With her enhanced abilities gained from her cybernetics and training, she can easily recover from fatigue. No other VTuber comes close to this level of compatibility. Also, fun fact, if you wear a military uniform, you can make Saruei feel exhilarated. Saruei is literally built for taking dick. Enhanced combat cybernetics means she can take cock all day, of all shapes and sizes and still be ready for more.

>>56553153
>numberfaggotry in a catalog thread
What do you think?

>>56552915
It's not really true, but it is about how they form identity. People tend to move towards the average of a group. If you add in extreme elements then the average moves towards the extreme. Mixing groups can also cause them to become more extreme towards out-group individuals. When groups share goals and need to work together they can form a super group, then the extremes and differences break down. There are other things that also play a role such as success heuristics. If you emulate or follow a successful person such as a celebrity then it reinforces that you are making the correct life decisions, sort of like the success will rub off on you. So when you mix micro e-celebs in with group identification then you get some interesting results. It's not really about tribalism, but it is something similar to it.

Wow, a lot of people don't even how to read on here. It's 60/40. Not 75/25. The extra 15% out of that 75% comes from coverage. You are essentially paying yourself for the coverage which is just an extra middle man instead of paying the company and doing it themselves. Saying that is what you get paid is like saying the insurance company pays you to be healthy.

>>56553272
Exactly. Don't give your talents too much so they leave but just enough to stick around and feel like they need the paycheck.

>>56553153
This is real, not schizoposting, but males is only one of the reasons. Overall vtubers decline, Niji acting unlikable or antagonist toward fans, Niji brand reputational damage are other possible reasons on top of males.

>>56546388
please be bait, I'd rather take the L for this being bait then have you actually seethe that hard

>>56550940
>why would you join WWE or AEW for a contract when you can be an indie and take home 100% of your appearance fee

>>56553153
8 of the original 10 girls average over 1k. All of these were debuted before the males.
Since debuting the males, the new girls are getting like 500 viewers.
1 of them was terminated, perhaps the only one that showed any promise.
1 of them does get over 1k viewers, but she streams in JP hours and speaks JP for the most part, not even an EN vtuber.

Basically the only girls that are popular now are the ones that gathered their audience before the males came. The only exception is Enna, but that's because she managed to market herself to females and has over 50% female audience.

>>56553566
Bijou didn't even get covered for a start up PC. Idol would have shat her out a new one and only charged her a 15% rate.

>>56553566
especially you yeah

>>56553426
yes i am

>>56553718
Bijou blew her entire start up budget commissioning a magical girl transformation animation.

>>56553800
which is fucking awesome btw

>>56553471
>fake jobs no one needs
Most "real jobs" aren't useful to society, they just exist to make rich people richer. I think people who entertain me contribute more to society than insurance agents, stockbrokers, or salespeople. And most vtubers are not making anywhere close to enough to retire at 30, even the bigger ones.

>>56553718
she had a budget, which she used to become a magical girl.

>>56553718
But overall these costs are a month or few months living expenses. It's weird to act like this is a huge investment from a company when wage paying companies have a greater upfront investment.

>>56552011
At 1k (as a female) on Twitch youre pretty much set so I doubt many of those would convert over to even hololive which is the only corpo worth doing it for at this point unless they were huge holofags
But in JP the sustainability of the brand really is worth it. Even bigger indies like Mea and Tamaki plateaued basically 3 years ago and are just wringing their same small audience dry year after year while even shitter holos incline year after year
the problem with HoloEN is youre basically as popular as youll ever be 1 month in, they have to find a way to fix that or the proposition is only worth it for shitters like Shiori or never wases

>>56554010
Which goes to show how thoughtful Idol is considering they don't make as much but still cover new equipment and shit for only 15% of their earnings. Cover makes so much fucking money they could have put every talent even the failing homos in brand new studio apartments.

>>56554177
It really doesn't. Within a few months even McDonalds is investing more into their employees.

>>56553718
Where the fuck did this bijou PC thing get started?
She already fully geared even before becoming hololive
And if it's about her elden fucking lean stream then the problem is her obs.
Ive said it before if you wanna go that way pick polka with her infamous poltato PC or the holo id gen 1 where they early stream is a truly SEA experience

The amount of people posting in this thread that don't understand the actual revenue split, or how companies like vshojo operated, is not surprising in the slightest. All I can say is none of you should ever get into investing, you will get fleeced.

>>56551162
This was actually how hololive got started. One of their big selling points for attracting talent back when they were a tiny nobodycorp was that they offered a guaranteed flat wage payout every month.

>>56552911
My was never my strong suit.

>>56554177
>Cover makes so much fucking money
Yet their shareholders complained that Cover is paying their talents too much, and asked Cover to squeeze like kurosanji.

>>56554351
Which makes sense to have a runway to actually support your talents to spend time on improving their content while your company grows.

ITT: Idolfags real face.
Good to know I don't need to hold down the next time they are down.

>>56553421
Both Hololive and Nijisanji have been allowing their talents to negotiate their cuts since forever, though.
I.e: Coco said years ago that Lamy managed to negotiate for a 60:40 cut

oh look a thread with people pretending that a vtuber company won't screw over the talents and turn them into money extraction husks in the long run.

As long as this is a capitalist venture, these corporations are going to use the talents until they're dried up and shriveled. This dumbass propaganda chart from Idol makes that very clear.

Can't wait to see a comparison of this chart to one 3 years from now.

>>56554850
>in the long run.
This is the company that did monthly donothons in their first six months of existence.

>>56554850
this anon get it. some company might treat you better than other corpos, but it is still a for profit venture, not a charity.

>>56555106
yea that's why they take 25% oh wise man

>>56554850
>As long as this is a capitalist venture, these corporations are going to use the talents until they're dried up and shriveled.
I get where you're coming from but these corpos, hololive excluded, are privately owned and don't have any venture capitalist investors they need to bend the knee to.

Whether they mistreat the talents or not is up to a small group of individuals who may have priorities other than simply maximizing their ROI (e.g. they just like vtubers or enjoy running a popular agency).

>>56554850
Idol isnt like that
Their CEO isn't your typical American/Japanese retard looking to make as much profit as possible, he's a really passionate dude that looks after his talents
honestly I didn't even like idol that much, but seeing this I might give them a chance, knowing my money actually supports them

>>56553153
Before males
>females gather a modest audience of mostly males
>this audience is very loyal and even watches them today, although they are leaving over time
After males
>female debuts noticeably weaker, can't gather any male audience at all
>not only are the numbers way lower, but the female percentage of their audience is higher
yeah it's pretty much the truth anon. That's why idol is competitive with them now. But more importantly is "reputation", because once you are tainted by males your future career opportunities are limited, whereas at idol they're still fine.

>>56553566
its still a 25% difference because most corpos take 50% and you still pay for your own shit.

>>56555428
Did you have to remove some ribs to suck your own dick or is it years of practice?

>>56546256
>pretends it's a 25%
>it's actually 40%
lmao

>>56555428
this is true, Aviel has a passion for vtubing.

>>56546256
Cool, they get 75% of $50 because nobody watches idol.

>>56555511
Why isn't a problem for hololive then?

>>56555281
Whether privately owned or publicly owned, the same conflict will arise;

Needs of the owners/shareholders/administration vs Needs of the talents and workers.

Money is king here and inflation only rises, so naturally the talents and workers are always going to get fucked over eventually. Just like when a new game or software service draws you in with its freebies/loads of features. These companies draw in promising talents with their "freedom of talent" or "proper compensation models" or "Retention of IP" but they always do the same thing. They change up after the initial success and start focusing on extracting money from their audience even at the cost of the talents.

Just look at Vshojo. who the fuck wants to be in that in 2023 and going forward?

I love the sheer number of EN tourists acting like Hololive was always big or that Hololive literally didnt only grow big because of sheer luck and leeching

>>56550940
>brand buff
Usually fans of the same members within the company tend to watch/support more than 1 girl, as an indie you are on your own, you could try to get your own clique of indies but more likely than not it will get you out of 1 view hell to a 2 view hell, there are some exceptions though. Usually joinung a corp also means free advertisement depending on the brand power.

>management
The most important thing a streamer should do is stream, any sort of paperwork, assets developement/aquisition or networking is effort/time wasted that somebody else (staff) could do.

>start boost
Going indie implies paying for a lot of stuff from your pocket, joining a corpo usually implies a high quality model fully rigged ready to use so you can skip all the initial effort that represents starting from scratch.

Those are the usual benefits that are expected from joining a corpo, basically it takes a lot of effort from your shoulders so you only have to worry about your schedule, this comes at the cost of a piece of the pie of course, but in my opinion it's worth it, you could try and do all of it as an inde to get more money if you want but like I said, it's a lot of effort that is not going where it matters

>>56555428
Either he really is passionate or he did his homework on managing a vtuber corp very well, I'd say that proof of this is how most of the talents who got scouted were literally 2view whos.

>>56555700
A lot of people here didn't even watch vtubers until HoloEN.

>>56555668
>he doesn't know about the homo trench

>>56555700
Hololive LITERALLY invented vtubing. Anime avatar streaming was a wasteland until Hololive spontaneously appeared and blessed the land with idols.

>>56555846
i mean that is incredibly obvious, been watching since early AI and its just wild to see all the people pretend that a company that is basically 1 year old growing fast is somehow bad because they dont make Hololive money
>>56555945
lol thanks for the chuckle

>>56555945
>Famously Kizuna Ai never existed

>>56546256
When you have jew money, you have enough expenses to spare so this split isn't surprising

>>56555685
>Needs of the owners/shareholders/administration vs Needs of the talents and workers.
you're looking at people like they're little robots, there are other things that motivate people outside of the money

large groups of people (i.e. large corporations) act like machines, smaller businesses (and vtuber agencies are tiny businesses, let's be real) are messier and more human. obviously small corporations can still be 100% in it for the money, but that's not going to be the case all the time like you're implying

ask yourself: if you were leading a vtuber corporation, would you personally fuck over your vtubers to maximize profits? if not, why would you assume every other person would?

>>56555685
retention of IP is the only thing that can keep things from going to shit though
the companies have to be strongarmed into not being shit with the threat of losing their talents, which is made infinitely easier if you own your channel and assets, like in the case of vshojo
holonijis can't do that so they have to put up with pretty much anything the managers throw at them or they stand to lose a lot by leaving

>>56554850
I mean, yes, obviously. Plus the approach makes it obvious this is a cashgrab.
Still, for the chuubas themselves, it's a good opportunity, if they're smart.

>>56546388
That 15% is used to help benefit streamers with things they would have to buy on their own. So it's still fair to count that 15% as being money for the streamer.

>>56555700
Most of these people don't even know what the christmas miracle is.

>>56549605
Depends on what it is.
I think voice packs are the lowest, under 15 to 20%, memberships are 25% and supas are 30%.
They also do profit sharing for merch and sponsorships.

>>56556095
Just because you might personally feel that you wouldn't fuck over your talents doesn't mean shit. talents and bottomline workers alike don't get screwed over because the CEO wills it. They do it because the nature of capitalistic business requires it. The shareholders will always ask for more in the case of Holo, and the owners of small corpos will do the same as inflation rises.

Screwing over a talent doesn't come in the form of "oh i feel like fucking over Kiryu Coco today." It comes from the giant amounts of pressure that go along with maintaining a entertainment company. In Coco's case it was pressure from possibly losing Chinese investment, which they lost anyways.

Nijisanji's recent graduation parade reflects the pressures that come with a continued reliance on greater success and profitability. Why would all the talents leave? Not because the CEO or whoever decided to screw them, they just get pushed out because numbers/profit started to come at a cost to them overall. Whether it be stagnation or mismanagement or whatever. The shit tons of money they funnel in are probably getting snatched up by the people at the top.

TLDR; If you become a CEO or a leader in business, screwing over your workers is just something you end up doing. It's as natural as a lion eating a lamb.

They/re taking 40% of ads, memberships, and superchats, on top of merch & sponsors being unknown, and we're just pretending this is good for some reason?

>>56555945
>Hololive LITERALLY invented vtubing
Now this is funny. Kek.

>>56556697
I don't understand how you can take

>On average, our talents also indirectly receive an additional 15% each month from our expense coverage. This includes complete coverage of costs for video editors, music production, video games, equipment, and more.

and view that as money for Idol's pockets.

>>56547071
I dont watch them, are their chubas doing propaganda or something?
The only thing I know about them is that one of their talents peed in a cup on stream.

>>56556547
yea... sucks that twitter fags and redditors have taken over this hobby

>>56556766
do they ever expand the "And more" or are we just supposed to accept that at face value?

Like, technically the "and more" could be going directly the owner's pockets. right?

>>56556766
Do you know the cost for any of those per month for each talent? No? Then why assume a company that barely anyone watches is giving back 15% of what they take through those means?

>>56547551
Rin also seemed to imply that IDOL takes the standard 50% after cuts when it comes to superchats.
https://youtube.com/shorts/dBJkoJz9i10

>>56556806
Weirdly, even the jewbas are not Jewish. One believes in aliens, the other would rather worship her pets. The Russian Jew does Jewish holiday stream where she admits she knows nothing about and only cares about the food.

>>56556930
So the same as Holo and Niji. Why did anons hype this up as ground breaking? I guess this is apparently better than smaller corps, but I'm not familiar with their numbers.

>>56556910
>barely anyone watches
Bro Idol has the most popular EN branch that isn't the big 3.

>>56556859
Don't be so generous, most the the sea population comes from facebook meme pages.

>>56556930
she really didnt

>>56556930
Why are Rin viewers this retarded?

>>56556697
thats better than most corpos. Kawaii and phase confirmed to take 50%

>>56549878
So is 60/40, is just misted around the 15% thing with "it goes back to the talent".
The boss man said himself:
https://twitter.com/AvielBasin/status/1693384344721629382

>>56557107
By what standards exactly? If we count VShojo as #3, they have millions of subs/followers and each talent pulls in anywhere from 1K - 10K viewers per stream.

Idol only has 1 semi popular EN vtuber at 500K subs that gets over 1K views per stream. The others are incredibly irrelevant.

>>56557207
>>56557355
She implied that being an agency would result in a 50% cut. She doesn't specify that it may take up to a 50% she just says that the agency will take 50%.

>>56557555

>>56557555
She said if an agency takes 50%. If. Because that is pretty much the standard rate and the video's is addressing vtubers as a whole. Retard.

so it is 40/60, with company doing what it supposed to do

>>56546256
Jewspeak. Don't believe them.

damn only getting 60% is kind of shit though

>>56546256
This is just 60-40 with 15% allocated tor tax evasion, sasuga jews.

>>56546256
I wonder if this will push other small corpos into revealing their percentages and eventual contracts, probably not since I can't imagine others proudly presenting anything lower than 75%
But I can definitely see girls in other small corpos to look at this and question their life choices or demand better deals in their own corpos

>>56546256
What is idol doing with that 25% if they're not using it to support the streamers expenses?

>>56561621
So the 15% is used for what the talents want and need, they can request games, assets, art, things for their streams, use it for projects, get 3dios and other pc stuff, and other things like that.
The other 25% is used for what corpos normally use that money for like ads and events and stuff like that.

>>56561764
Seems fair enough. A 40/60 split isn't bad.

That's a lot better than what Kurosanji gives.

>>56561901
I mean the talents keep everything they get so calling it 40/60 isnt quite right, thats why its framed the way it is. Other corpos dont buy their talents anything.

>>56562024
>Other corpos dont buy their talents anything.
that's too retarded even for idolshill

All these numbers just make me realize a good number of the holo talents don't make much more than a mid-career techie. That field is so fucking overpaid

>>56562129
holy ESL...

>>56547551
Holo is 50/50, because in this context we don't count youtube's cut.

>>56546256
Good for them, still not going to watch

>>56556662
> talents and bottomline workers alike don't get screwed over because the CEO wills it. They do it because the nature of capitalistic business requires it
anon, do you understand the difference between a privately owned company and a public company?

>>56546256
They didn't need to clarify the 15% of expense coverage, any other corpo would've just said 75% and be done with it. I appreciate the details
They showed this because they're confident enough to do it, If theyre planning to show the contracts I guess they are proud of what they offer enough to expose themselves like this

>>56550283
the rose already betrayed her previous (now dead) company for Nijisanji, if she's doing it again it would be bad for her image

>>56546609
>Nijifag has never heard of concepts like fidicary duty and fraud
you must be over 18 to post on this site anonchama

>>56546256
I know you're reding this thread Coni. Never forget you will always be a 3view shitter

>>56556547
bet you don't know either aside from reading some post about it, newfag

>Claim 60~75% cut to chuuba
>0% from any merch tho
So.. 0% is worst than 2%, Niji Win on this front.

>>56564744
Better than your understand the nature of capitalism and business, which would affect both equally. Regardless of whether it's a private company or publicly traded one, they always fuck over the bottom line and extract wealth to the top.

Look at vtubing 10 years from now, assuming it lasts that long. The contracts will all be significantly worse (one reason they keep all the contracts locked up secret), the revenue shares will be heavily favoring the company, and the talents themselves will probably be doing everything.

Hell, a lot of corpos are already getting fucked over as contracted labor many times (see Hololive EN). Despite the fact that many of the more active vtubers can easily put 50+ hours a week into this.

>but it's okay because they get to be famous and also get a cool PC rig.

every encroachment of big business into the medium will bring us closer to its death. We should be shaming companies like Idol for trying to pass this shitty chart as 'good practice' or whatever

>UM ACKSHULLY WE PAY YOU $15/HR NOT $12 BECAUSE WE PROVIDE YOU MCDONALDS UNIFORMS AND SPATULAS TO MAKE THE BURGERS WITH

>>56546256
they put expenses under talent pay and published it as a pr piece?
reeeeeeeeeeally?

>>56546672
It only matters when you're an irrelevant micro corpo. Big leagues don't need it because their success speaks for themselves

>>56566753
I love this little clown like you wouldnt believe

>>56556536
>>56556536
You don’t count insurance from regular jobs as part of your income. And before you reveal that you’ve never had a job that comes from your paycheck same as this so no it’s not

>>56546256
>a company that cares about its talents
How could this have happen

>>56555605
It’s also not taking yt into account. Is his 40% a flat fee based on the initial amount or 40% after yt cut?
>1000-30% is 700 with the flat 40 leaves the talent with 300
>1000-30% is 700 with it after the cut it leaves the talent with 420
Is this a uniform contract with no negotiation? Because if it isn’t that makes this number pointless. It leaves more questions than answers

>>56551708
>>56552104
He takes 15% of your paycheck to pay for things you could do yourself or save. Has he said what happens if they don’t want that stuff? Do they get the rest of the money back?

>>56556806
That same talent also masturbated on a member stream and really didn't try too hard to hide it

>>56552911
No 15% of their earnings is taken away to pay for that but he phrased it in a way like it’s a favor. It’s literally the same thing people say about taxes when you work

>>56547702
My understanding was that the first 30% went to YouTube. Then, for the remaining 70%, 30% goes to Cover and the rest go to the talents. And then, there's taxes... let's assume 20% of the talent's takehome. So for a $100 superchat, in order, the net takehome would be 0.8*(0.7*(0.7*100)) = $39.20. I tend to use a conservative estimate of 1/3 of the total superchat amount as the average net take home, for Hololive talents that is.

>>56555521
Except it’s your money they are taking to pay for shit. So same thing

>>56554450
You could do a case study with how false information gets spread through here.

>>56556910
What happens if your cost are 0 do they give you back the 15%?

>>56577325
In the end it all goes back to them anyway, I'm pretty sure I recall someone saying they'll keep everything they bought even if one day they leave the corp. In any case that should be made clear when they make the contract transparent at the end of the year.

>>56557759
Where does this standard rate come from if every contract is hidden? Even hololive the one people use as a standard is 1 corpo among tens and even that’s inaccurate because contracts aren’t the same

>>56562024
You’re definitely a shill if you’re lying like that

>>56577403
>>56547702
Yt only takes 24% if you’re outside of America so that leaves 16% unaccounted for and I will can her a liar

>>56550351
It’s 15% of money you earned it’s not from them. And if you account for 3Ds, outfits, covers, mods, and new models the other corpos give you it’s pretty much the same. Even the “black company” niji gives paid trips to Japan for events

>>56579467
15% of the money they earn which is directly spent for their games, equipment, projects and whatnot is money that goes to them, actually.

>>56546256
Truly the Baldur's Gate 3 of vtuber agencies.

>>56566753
100CCV is winning.

>>56579814
yeah if BG3 had a player count of 800 instead of 800k

>>56579737
As opposed to just giving you the 15% and letting you handle it?