/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56537173
fight with management and homos related stuff really started to make more and more sense lately

>>56537173
She was doing what she could, when she could.

>>56537173
Tempus protest.
She fought management until they got more girls

>>56537282
God that episode was so good in the japanese dub

>>56537282
From the outside looking in I always thought this rrat was way too out there, but the fact that Omega sctually did get sent to the shadow realm and EN's direction seems to have legitimately changed course under Jap makes me wonder if there's actually something to it

>>56537282
Gura was obviously fighting with management but there is no way that it was over Tempus. Vesper and Magni getting suspensions after their redesigns was odd but so was the fact that Ina and Gura had overlapping "health breaks". EN branch has been a mess for a while but eventually something will get announced by Cover that will explain the malicious compliance.

>>56537960
Or it will have been sorted out behind the scenes and nothing on the front will change other than Ina and Gura actually streaming somewhat regularly again.
I thought Ina's deal was lung issues because of a really bad cold or something?

>>56537283
holy cope lmao

she had a baby
now the baby is old enough to be taken care of by a nanny for a few hours at a time

>>56538042
He's just quoting what she said

>>56537445
it's infinitely better in English, just like DBZ and Pokemon. You can't debate this.
Don't bother responding because I won't be reading your cope.

>>56537173
There are half-answers, like what Gura herself gave when pressed (health hort, busy, doing what she can).
Then there are unsubstantiated rumors, like you see in this thread.
But no actual explanation. It happened, and then it unhappened. Be a chumbud or don't.

>>56537282
It makes less than zero sense that she was fighting over homos.
There is zero pressure to interact with them and plenty don't and are somehow still streaming.
This is, and always was, a giant cope by chumbuds/unicorns.

>>56538521
I think the change in landscape caused a lot of stress to her though. Including the fanbase shitting itself and lots of antis/tourists seething.

>>56537173
>Is it safe to be a chumbud again yet?
no
t. day 1 shrimp

>>56538521
>There is zero pressure to interact with them
there is now
they were hard pushing the girls to shill them before and anyone who denies that is a fucking retard

>>56538155
a rape baby too...

>>56537173
The voices in my head told me she relapsed and spent that time drinking heavily and Cover staged an intervention so her inevitable liver failure wouldn't distract from Advent.

When you're the only one out there streaming at a certain time zone, people will notice how low quality your content is. Now that there are more girls in that time zone, she can just turn off brain and do whatever she wants on streamwithout fear.

>>56538028
>I thought Ina's deal was lung issues because of a really bad cold or something?
Her physical health is a fucking mess from overall laziness and unhealthy lifestyle throughout the years, its not more complex than that really

its not safe until she starts making an actual schedule again

>>56541850
This, whats happening right now is just the Advent buff after it's over she will be back to ghosting.

>>56541984
nah, holoEN is in a different state than before

>>56537367
Has Gura acknowledged that the new girls exist though?

>>56539398
Yeah, mine

>>56542307
Yes catalog kun, she talked about watching Fuwamoco

>>56539208
>anyone who denies a claim that has less than zero evidence is a fucking retard
Okay, sure.
The only "pressure" put on was by a small minority of some fans.
We had girls going on stream to say shit like "I don't plan on collabing with stars"
What fucking pressure?

>>56539038
That may be true but the vast majority of problems were caused by vocal unicorns in the first place.
Just a self-fulfilling prophesy.

No

>>56542363
I'm just not a gura watcher. Cool that she likes FWMC

>>56542432
Unicorns were fine for 2 years before the changes happened. So no, they weren't the problem, they were the ones originally catered to by holoEN being an all-girls' environment (on top of most top holos doing a nomales environment as well), hence their presence in the first place.

I gave her an atomic wedgie, she could barely sit at all, much less for hours at a time to stream

>>56542733
>Unicorns were fine until they weren't
Okay.
Everyone else was fine the entire time.
The homobeggar bogeyman was not even close to how it is portrayed here and the few that were doing it can handle rejection.
Unicorns were always the problem

Imagine being afraid.

>>56542733
>>56543039
I don't think either of you fully understand the semantic issues at play in your debate.

>>56542733
>they weren't the problem
2020 newfags will always be the problem

>>56543222
What the hell are you taking about?
What semantics?

>>56543039
I could argue this, but ultimately the argument doesn't even matter. Because anyone with half a brain knows that a customer base built up from what a product long offered will become upset when things are significantly changed in a "negative" way. It's not about who's 'wrong' or 'right', it's a literal issue of preferences and expectations. Whether intentionally or not, Holo has built up certain expectations and hence a certain customer base from its product. It now has to deal with that, one way or another. It can continue as is as, or try to change things and upset them. It is of course entirely their call to make, nobody else's, consequences aside. The top holos have all continued to be consistent in its nomales approach and hence run things successfully and smoothly. This is nothing more than being consistent with your product.

>>56542445
Of course she does, Fuwamoco are the most idol like of EN.
Gura loves Hololive for what it is, a girls only company. Not the nijification Ame and Kronii wanted to do.

>>56537960
>Well, if they refuse to stream, we'll just get a new group of girls who will
Are Advent strikebreakers?

>>56537173
>>56541144
Hmmm...

>>56537282
nice meme

>>56543521
The semantics of the language you're using. It's even more clear to me now that neither of you are equipped to have a serious debate on the matter.
I might even go so far as to say you have no idea what you're talking about in general.

>>56543779
I know what semantics mean you pretentious twat.
What is it exactly about our word choice that got you so confused?

>>56543579
The point being is that unicorns like to claim that male collabs are really bad when the only bad thing about male collabs is how unicorns spaz out at them.
The only issue with a girl collabing with males the hissy fits unicorns throw about it.

>>56537173
It was all part of the internal war between her and omega management that ended with the defeat of omega and the debut of advent

>>56543934
I'm not confused at all. Your statements are mostly coherent, however the way you're discussing the subject leads me to believe you don't really understand the implications of the arguments you're making. As I said you're very clearly unequipped for this type of debate, so I won't go into detail.

>>56544059
NTA, but isn't it expected that the viewers that were catered too are going to be upset when the direction changes? I would be upset if I was in the middle of watching a crime drama, and then suddenly it's a

>>56537173
>Was there ever an answer for why Gura did this?
Management forced Gura to collab with homos, she said no and stopped streaming as a protest.

Gura just fucking hates male vtubers for some reason.

>>56544211

>>56544231
>>56544059
Accidentally hit enter, I meant to say it suddenly becomes a show about cars, or dance competitions or whatever. It's totally rational, I mean people complain a lot harder online for a lot less.

>>56544059
Wow, what an astute observation. Customer that doesn't like certain thing that they actively avoided at other establishments and hence chose this one for and enjoyed for years is upset about it. Fucking shocker!

>>56544231
They were never explicitly catered to.
There was never "rules" that the talents "broke".
There was no set "trust" for them to "betray".
They set up their expectations, with little to no evidence to back it, and when they were disappointed they threw hissy fits.

This is overwhelmingly true. In fact when Kronii ran into the issue she decided to actually set up rules but was probably advised not to know by people who actually know how unicorns work.
Because after she walked back the rules she wanted to follow, rules that they claimed were "good and fair", she still followed them almost completely and yet was still the number one target for harassment.

It just shows you that they don't care to compromise at all, they need complete control over everything.

>>56544317
Just got a different establishment then you retard.
Hanging out at this one with picket signs because you can't let go makes you a child.

>>56544581
I don't think you're being good faith actor in this argument. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone, especially the viewers, that they were catering to, and promoting themselves, as a bit of "idols", hence the unicorn expectations. I understand that they didn't write it down in a contract and make the viewers sign anything, but if you can't at least acknowledge they were definitely playing up the expectations of fans for a certain direction, then you're simply not arguing in good faith at all.

>>56544731
Except the unicorn definition of "idol" does not match the actual one.
The expectation is that they are not in a relationship, not that they have to wear a burka and not leave the house.
Even if they claimed to be idols, which not all do, there is no expectation to not talk to, about, or even look at men.
The whole "Idol is when no males, the more no males the more idol it is" pushed by unicorns is just retarded.

>>56544659
Why would I need to do that when EN's never been better? Even if that wasn't the case, I could easily just watch individual talents or the JPs. It is literally their loss, not mine. I haven't needed to do a single thing beyond explain to you retards why things happened the way they did. You on the other hand can seethe all you want over unicorns and the ebil idols that cater to them.

>>56545221
Your definition of idol isn't even relevant, retard. The use of idol is within the context of Hololive with regard to how it carried itself and the success and expectations built from doing so.

Yeah its safe, she deilvered the baby awhile ago now and now her maternity leave id over.

Only danger is another pregnancy but she cant be dumb enough to be in an air bnb with Morri and be around when Mori inevtiably throwns another party in said air bnb with random men again

>>56545221
That's fair, in "traditional idol" definition, just interacting with males isn't usually enough to get people upset, I don't think at least. But I do know that women get pretty upset if a male "idol" is being friendly with women, not even flirting, so I know there is at least some expectation there even with regards to just interactions alone.
But I also I think it's fair to say that vtubing "idol" expectations (and even more so, Hololive in particular), are different than regular idol expectations in different ways. I think that given that the main exposure (and virtually the only one) to vtubers is through their stream, I do think it's not exactly a huge leap to say that the stream itself is probably where the "idol" expectations put rubber to the road so to speak, and that the interactions on the stream are expected to be "idol" like the most. Which probably implies the least amount of male interaction on the stream itself. Obviously everyone's expectations are different, but I think this is fair definition of "idol expectations" for a vtuber who streams.

>>56545344
It's not "my" definition of idol.
It's the definition of idol.
>The use of idol is within the context of Hololive with regard to how it carried itself and the success and expectations built from doing so.
You mean how it's based on existing idol groups and how there is a starsJP branch that they interact with and how they have other male guests sometimes?
Or by "within the context of Hololive" do you mean how you interpret that with no understanding of the background, how it's currently used and what the expectations are but just so it fits your fragile expectations of not having to deal with the fact that other men exist and they are much more successful than you in every way?

>>56545831
The idiotic preoccupation with semantics over things that actually have impact and consequence is exactly why they ran into problems in the first place. You can keep going with your 'coworkers' cope but guess what, in the end people are still fighting over this shit to this day.

>>56545669
I think it's okay to have these preferences but to make these expectations when they were not actually stated, or even implied is the issue.
It might be that a line needs to be drawn in the future and they are expected to come down on one side or the other but to have these expectations when there wasn't even anyone to collab with when they debut is ridiculous.
Doubly so since starsJP existed for a while and yet such an expectation was not made for debuting JP

>>56546244
It's not "semantics". It's expectations set by the company and talent that you then took and twisted to mean something completely different and now blame them for not honoring.

>>56546351
expectations are set by actions, not words and existing definitions

First few months after pregnancy are complicated, expect roughly a good few months before it gets too hard to hide the kids

>>56546485
So what "actions" set these expectations?
Not collabing with people who didn't even debut yet?

>>56546790
Yeah, people liked the girls only environment they'd done for 2 years since its inception, and if they weren't EoPs then also enjoyed the holoJP environment where males are basically nowhere to be seen aside from the apexfags
There is some nuance though, which is why Pekora's hypnotist thing was fine

>>56547737
>males are basically nowhere to be seen
Thank you for your EOP opinion threadreader

>>56549082
last male (non-professional) seen in a pekora, marine, subaru, miko, aqua, luna, shion, ayame, mio, okayu, flare, noel, kanata, watame, lamy, nene, lui, koyori, chloe, iroha stream?

Protest against Tempus
Great success

>>56543305
hey im a 2020 newfag and i take offense to that

>>56537960
Well I have no evidence but I allways assumed the following:
>omega wanted all of the EN girls tocollab with the boys on his crusade to erradicate the unicorns
>he pushed this on Gura a lot as it would mean the top 10 anime betrayal against them
>Gura refused
>omega stealth suspended her
>Gura returns and streams again
>omega tries to push the same shit again
>Gura refuses again
>omega suspended her again
>this back and forth keeps going
>there is a good chance that omega convinced some of the other girls to join his side and then he ordered/suggested to them to convince Gura
>this leads to infigthing and it starts to leak on stream (the off collab incident and that survival FPS game where all 3 branches collabed)
>at some point Gura had enough and her RM said something after years of silence (hinting that she would be ready to return at any moment)
>she didn't quit so omega probably stopped here
>the JP branch requests Gura's presence in Japan for her 3D and other stuff
>during those trips either her or one of the girls that knows japanese explained the situation to the JP girls and then ghe JP girls explained that to the upper management
>months later the reign of terror of omega is replaced by the reign of terror of Dimitri Jap sama and she is back again
And that's my theory, it's what makes sense to me after seeing the pieces and how they fit in the puzzle

>>56537173
What, use GitHub?

>>56544659
Damn right, the homobeggars need to move on already because it's very clear they will not be served the content they are demanding at this establishment.

>>56551437
Honestly not a bad rrat anon. More evidence is gura wanted to release a daki and got a hard no from en management. Yet within the literal month of touching down in japan she got her daki release greenlit and announced.

Something was definitely going on behind the scenes at en. We'll never know precisely what but there's far too much proof something was.

>>56549521
Who the fuck is a "non-professional"?
Stop moving arbitrary goal posts you made yourself.

>>56552402
Homobeggars never cry as loudly or frequently as unicucks

>>56537173
she was too busy birthing my 100 children

>>56552886
eceleb, vtuber, any other casual acquaintance
I really shouldn't have to explain this to you, literally just look at how any of the people I listed handle themselves in this regard

>>56553436
All of those people make money doing what they do.
They are professionals.

>>56551437
I'm relatively sure that it had something to do with management of EN at the time. The timing of stuff is a little easy to connect, even without any hard evidence.
The circumstantial evidence (mainly Kiara rants) about some of the girls disliking Omega and Omega's general management style of EN (not sure exactly what this entailed) always implied to me it was Kiara herself and at least Gura.

>>56553868
>more semantics
just fuck off if you don't get it, holo anti

>>56551437
Not only is this a completely baseless schizo rrat but it's also impossible because omega left way before Gura returned to streaming again.

>>56554548
>I don't like that words mean things
>I want words to mean whatever I want them to mean and you have to figure out what the fuck I want to say
I think you should fuck off

>>56555088
no, you're just a fucking brainlet who can't into nuance whatsoever and group everything together even though there's significant, meaningful distinction between them

>>56555760
If it's so significant and meaningful you should have no trouble articulating it instead of whatever it is you're currently doing

>>56537283
>what she could
fuck over the new girls
>when she could
when the new girls debuted

>>56555839
I already spoonfed it to you >>56553436 but it's actually even more nuanced than that, if you had a male brain I wouldn't have to explain it

No, I followed gura from long before she was gura.
This will inevitably happen again regardless of what cope people might have. Gura doesn't really like her audience that much and never has.

>>56556172
actually scratch that, any of those holos mentioned understand it as well

>>56537173
she was on maternal leave

>overlaps Advent for two weeks straight
>suddenly stops streaming once Advent's collab ban ends
KEKAROOOO!

>>56555929
The timing is truly remarkable
Undoubtedly another guerilla stream awaits Rissa when she will start streaming

>>56542445
More than that she said they inspired her with their "protecting your smile" speech.
https://youtu.be/9PfTFVI1tPk

>>56556400
hopefully you'll keep seething then

The Kiara faction
-Kiara
-Ame
-Sana

The pro-tempus faction
-Mori
-Bae
-Kronii
-Ame
-Omega

The slacker faction
-Ina
-Sana
-Kronii

Who?
-IRyS


you see HoloEN was in bad shape and it's not rocket science

>>56557091
>slacker faction
>no gura
Not hard to see who's hands wrote this post

>>56557436
Yeah, KFP are real cunts.

>>56552974
False. Stop lying homobeggar

>>56555839
Cute Girls Doing Cute Things.

>>56537173
Imposter syndrome + disagreement with management over the direction of HoloEN.

Gura joined Hololive because she wanted to be an Idol and be part of Hololive not be segregated from JP with a manager who wasted 10,000 dollars of company money on a model that was never even used. Like Gura said she went out and touched grass and that seems to have fixed a lot of it.