/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Mikeneko (Koito Ria)
Twitter: https://twitter.com/95rn16
Fanbox: https://mikenekoko.fanbox.cc/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC54JqsuIbMw_d1Ieb4hjKoQ
Twitcasting: https://twitcasting.tv/95rn16
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikeneko.x/
Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@minyan84
Nekoko Store: https://nekoko.shop/
Booth: https://mikenekoko.booth.pm/
【Original Song】drop/みけねこ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHl2-rH6GnU
【Original Song】You&me/みけねこ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf5ydEWJL1g

>Nazuna Amemiya
Profile: https://www.vshojo.com/talent/nazuna
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5gs8EbpwbfQvrhizJx60TA
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/amemiyanazuna
Twitter: https://twitter.com/AmemiyaNazuna

A walk down the sunny beach, a yummy refreshing ice cream, going along with my gorgeous wife.
What more could a man ask for?

I miss her...

Don't think there's any point in the thread until she decides to stream again

ちびキャラみけにゃん可愛い!!

>>56299018
she showed some activity by replying to someone an hour-ish ago.

>>56299609
She got angry at an anti
Bit of a waste of time

>>56298972
Ria my beloved!

Is it just one guy spamming about how ”keyfriends are gone” or did something happen? (Besides the fact that she is not streaming as the angel)

>>56300312
Nothing new

I think it's time for her to stop encompassing the Chinese with us in the "overseas" category.

Did she actually give a reason for not streaming? You don't have to reply if it was in Mengen

水色。。。

Cast

Mike, don't bait me like this...

Is the title bait?
Im not really in the mood to listen to her right now so if it's just a Zatsu, I won't bother

If the ASMR gets put behind a million subs i will kill myself.

Even baiting with ASMR she barely gets 1k CCV on Twitcast
Might as well acknowledge that less people want to listen to Twitcast

How many subs could you get by this bait anyways?

>>56302076
-4
unsubbing with my alts

>>56302076
Maybe if she said it on YouTube instead of Twitcast

Seems like another stream where she doesn't actually have anything to talk about

Ahhh, if only she used these talents for actual ASMR.

>>56302200
Still, realistically maybe 2-3 k best case scenario which isn't enough even for 900k.

>>56302291
It's one of those she thinks some exciting bait, shitposts for some time about it (sometimes she does take it semi-seriously) and then it's just a zatsudan like every other twitcast.

>>56302397
I mean she obviously wants people to spread it by word of mouth or posting online
Tweeting it herself would be better, though.
Or you know, streaming on YouTube more

>>56302733
It's really funny that she's baited so much that it's stopped working
The girl who cried ASMR

Doesn't she do ASMR testing on YouTube?

What i'm thinking now is what is the joke she was thinking with ASM○

>>56302963
If only it didn't broke...

the trend of turning everything into a joke all the time has become just boring and annoying to me

She'd easily get 1 million subs by uninstalling Apex

>>56303856
Do you think she would do it (permanently of course) if she would be sure this would be the case?

>>56303967
The worst part is that I think the answer is no
It's all so tiresome

Mikesquito

Cute

>>56289735
Considering how often we have to stick the tags in I'd say any prompter is a wizard at finding R34 on any booru.

>>56305828
FUCKNWRONG THREAD SORRY

Why she keep biting the bait guys... she should know better by now...
She needs supervision, i'm tired of her hurting herself by this. If she can't control herself then someone else has to

>>56305899
>i'm tired of her hurting herself by this
It's a bit tiring after 1,5 years but don't exaggerate.

baka

Funny enough, she did legitimately forget to end the stream last time.

My wife is the cutest!

Apparently there's a filter here for some common shorthand expressions, i was still shaking my head regardless.

>>56301225
If you mean on YouTube she's said just now that the 3rd week of every month will be twitcast focused for the gold tea bomb roulette thing

>>56307348
Considering she's now a 3view on Twitcast, that seems really dumb

>>56307348
That's incredibly stupid.

>>56307401
>>56307511
Hamwuhfurtablerrggggbluhbluhhh

>>56307528
Eh? Did you got a seizure while writing your post?

I don't feel as guilty for dropping down to the 1500 Yen Fanbox tier as I did yesterday. Thankfully

Why doesn't she do the failed YouTube ASMR right away? She's already fixed her problems and it's disappointing

Total Nazuna eradication
Absolute Mikeneko supremacy, we love Mikeneko here

>https://twitter.com/kotomofu1196/status/1692167239406084605?t=tBq_gUzYE6vtTHuIrpio7Q&s=19
Harsh words?

don't signal boost antis, faggot

She doesn't play ASMR
She plays Apex

Hate Apex

>>56309684
Sorry about that....
He seems to go a different route with this one
>https://twitter.com/kotomofu1196/status/1692192592145100927?t=XBhk2u3Zas7XsM_NQGeZQQ&s=19

>>56312493
stop posting you alt

>>56312899
If I was going to attack Apex, I'd firstly do so on my main and secondly I'd tone the rhetoric down a bit

As someone who thoroughly hates Apex, the people complaining about it constantly have become completely obnoxious at this point.

I think so, too. As for me, I will just take a break from now on when she plays Apex. There is point in crying about it and it just ruins my mood so much I cannot enjoy anything, not even today's cast. Let me know when this arc is over

If she skips stream and does APEX, I will be angry.
I will allow her to play in private after she has done her job properly

I love my cute wife.

>>56313572
You should tell her this. publicly. If she truly does care about her fans, which she is supposed to, she will give some sort of reaction to the fact that she's hurting one of her fans to the point that he can't stand being around her. It's a very good, pure and honest feeling of yours and one which I wish more people here would admit to
Although I stand fundamentally holding the position that she doesn't care at all, so I'm also hoping that you'll prove my cynicism to be unfounded

>>56315409
I won't because I also don't think she cares that much anymore. And that will never change thanks to the overwhelming amount of enablers among the regulars

It is much easier for the Angels to be the best in the world this year than for her to quit Apex

>>56315589
It's worth a shot.
The only reason I'm holding back is that I've already complained about it publicly and she either didn't care or tried to care in the worst possible way
But I still stand by the idea that you need to say something. The more different voices speak out about it, the higher chance that she'll react

>>56315915
I really don't think it is worth bringing up at this point. I can only see shitty outcomes such as:
>I'm not playing with any men so what are you complaining about?
>I'm not streaming the game or playing with any men but if you keep whining about it I might
>I'm doing my best streaming, doing x, twitcasting, ... why can't play some Apex?
>Everything is going fine now and you complain about that although I am not even playing with any men! You are a fanti! Hanten! I am going to block you!
>etc.
I just don't have the faith in her for that anymore

>>56316543
Unless you're "@"ing her, there's no way she can pull that level of bullshit.
Her tendency is to single out and bully people on stream, which is why I suggested Tweeting about it instead of mentioning it on stream so you can evade that.
The response you should expect is that she won't acknowledge it at all, so you really have nothing to lose. She only goes after easy antis on Twitter, so someone expressing an actual opinion is safe.

>>56316776
you are so pathetic man

>>56317451
How about you raise an actual opinion rather than responding like a 12 year old?

>>56316543
If you don't let her know that you dislike Apex, in her eyes, you're the same as the all affirmers or the enablers.
She's too stupid to realise the actual opinions of her fans without being reminded by multiple people on multiple occasions.

>>56317668
how about you grow a pair instead of asking others to complain for you like a kid

>>56317867
How about you learn what capital letters are and stop acting like a massive normalfag?

>>56313352
This. Can't expect the discord echo chamber that went overboard with shitposting to know anything about restraint I suppose.

>>56318150
This isn't an excuse for you to spread rrats

There will be no peace in her fanbase until she uninstalls Apex

>>56318001
when your only comeback is bitching about capital letters on 4chan lmao

I don't see any reason to actually keep the general running anymore. Is there any purpose to keeping it?

>>56317742
How does that sound?
すみませんが、今回のことで、そのゲームがちょっと苦手になっちゃって、いろいろな悪い思い出がよみがえってきます。そのゲームを思い出すと、なんだか嫌な気持ちになってしまって、不安な気持ちも抱えてしまいます。それに、2月のこともふと思い出します。みけちゃんがそのゲームを好きで、自分の好きなように楽しんでるのはわかっています。ずっと、そのゲームが好きだって言ってるように振る舞ってきました。みけちゃんが好きなことについて、心配させたり悲しませたりしたくなかったからです。でも実は、最近の配信ではそのゲームのせいで楽しめなくなってしまいました。今日のアーカイブは役立ったけど、正直楽しむことはできませんでした。だから、少し距離を置いて休憩しようと思います。以前、みけちゃんはなぜ人々が離れていくのか知りたいって話していました。それを考えると、何も言わずにただ去るのは寂しい気がして、できるだけお知らせしておきたいと思いました。ごめんなさいね、またどこかでお会いできることを願っています。

>>56320097
>>56316776

>>56308548
Be quiet, Nazuna anti.

>>56320097
Seems reasonable to me. Genuine and not aggressive.

>>56320097
I like it as well
If anyone else wants to join in with a bit of mild public heraru, now is an ideal time to consider it
At the very least, you won't be doing it alone

>>56320586
>>56321686
Thanks for the feedback. I think I might do a circle but I'll sleep about it for a couple days. Really don't feel like tweeting about it atm

>>56321741
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
She's said before that she hates circles and mutes any accounts that use them. It's actually safer to post it publicly and more in line with what her thoughts are
Also, if you wait too long, you're only going to grow more and more dissatisfied with her which could lead to a less careful response on your part. My advice is to just pull the bandaid off now and go for it.

You are actutally socially inept. Seek help

>>56323465
Nobody gives a shit about your "opinions"

>>56323675
She doesn't give a shit about your opinion either

>>56324129
She doesn't care about any opinions about Apex that aren't all affirming praise
And then wonders why fans are leaving without a word.

No wonder she hates 4chan so much now. Most of the people left posting here are the most exhausting faggots in the world.

>>56324438
She dislikes it when people express opinions that make things mildly inconvenient for her

>>56324438
I wouldn't use her as a reliable metric for judging people

>>56324556
I don't like Apex either, but "Stop playing that video game by yourself offstream, it ~twaumatized~ me!" is not an opinion anyone on this planet should take seriously. It's inarguably pathetic.

If she's not playing with guys I don't care

>>56324556
Noooo, she can't play games alone! My traumaaa

>>56324961
Considering how many problems this one game has caused us and her over the course of over a year and a half, it's only a reasonable opinion to hold
She doesn't "enjoy" the game, it's a literal addiction for her. With regards to any addictions, the only way to manage them is to quit cold turkey. You cannot temper it with the logic of
>it's only a few games
This is not how an addiction works. Go to any services that treats people who suffer from addiction and they'll tell you this

Being seen to be someone who enjoys playing Apex while also trying to attract Unicorns and gachikoi is a prime example of the idea of
>the man who chases two hares catches neither
It's very simple. Unicorns and gachikoi are terrified of the game. It has too bad a reputation in Japan and being seen to enjoy it will make it less likely for them to want to oshi her. On top of that, it can lead to a further cooling down of the feelings of gachikoi who are already following her
On top of this, the types of fans it attracts are more likely to be リア充 who don't donate, who are more likely to shit up her chat and who don't return her feelings. These fans have no interest in watching any of her streams besides FPS streams, meaning that her CCV will begin to tilt in a direction that promotes playing the game more.
There's no reason for you, as a fan, to be particularly thrilled that this is the game she's gotten addicted to

If you follow the behaviour of her 5ch antis who are willing to go to the effort of crossposting here, you'll find that they focus on a few areas almost exclusively.
1: collabs. Should be obvious why, certain collabs cause people to leave, so pretend to enjoy those
2: ASMR. It represents the idea of her having strong feelings for her fans, and the fact that she keeps putting it off constantly despite promising it again and again is basically the gift that keeps on giving for her antis. It shows an inability on her part to commit to what she says in doing something that would make her fans happy
3: Apex. It gets its own category. Her antis basically rejoice at the fact that she enjoys it. They constantly joke about how she should drop her overseas fanbase and just play the game constantly while also mocking her low CCV while playing it. They write insane rrats based on the game because it's simply too easy a vehicle with which to anti her using, and her own big mouth means that you can use her own words against her constantly with regards to the topic. I'd argue that about 70% of heraru could be avoided if she took a second to think before saying anything, but unfortunately she doesn't think all that hard

I don't remember asking

>>56326412
If it wasn't for the fact that the people in this thread who support Apex weren't almost universally the dumbest posters, there would be no need for the paragraphs.
If you can't read, then get off of this textboard

>>56326593
No

>>56326593
>"support apex"
we just don't have a mental breakdown over her playing a fucking game on her own

This thread will never support the existence of Apex

don't make more threads

We love speaking on behalf of everyone here.

Anyone with half a brain understands that Apex is bad

Apex is indeed bad, but the insufferable faggots who whine about it 24/7 are worse somehow holy shit

>>56327671
I am genuinely asking do you have autism?

Apex is a terrible game. She favs and follows Man Streamer's clips, and the man follows back in no time.
We fans who only pay her money won't become FF unless she's good at drawing.

A male streamer can be anyone with a female playmate.
we love her dearly
Nevertheless, I hate Apex, who increases the emptiness every day with this disparity.

I don't wanna become Final Fantasy

The comment two posts above proves that even the Japanese have people who hate the game

A male streamer can have her pretty voice all to herself for hours.
While she's having fun with them, we can only wait for ASMR to continue to be postponed.
How empty!

>>56328499
That was never in question, you autistic retard.

>>56328674
You wouldn't be able to tell considering that they never voice their opinions in public

If she keeps putting off the promised ASMR, I will openly flirt with other Vtubers.
Enjoy ASMR with Varium's cute voice.

Nevertheless, I love my wife.

Hello menheras

>>56328633
5chガイジ...

I have lost a lot of money in bitcoin since yesterday.
Still, I feel no worse than putting off my current ASMR and super chatting to my girlfriend who keeps playing APEX.
I hate APEX more than FX!

She always played Apex with someone and most of them were men. She always follows the Apex guy. She always cheats on her fans, saying she doesn't want them to cheat.

She said she's been very busy for the last two days, but she's actually been playing Apex. I remember she once said that Apex women were liars. She always lies to her fans when she plays Apex. I've been so busy today, there's no guy I play with, I'm always alone.

Wife is not cheating, right?

All new IPs

I hate to admit it but anon is right I don't see a point of this thread anymore. It's just constant arguing over apex and anti's. A steady flow of negativity that effects everyone in a bad way including wife. I think if we all truly care about wife maybe we should just stop baking it...lets be honest this is not a healthy environment anymore.

She says she doesn't watch men's streams, but she always follows the new Apex guy. She doesn't press 'いいね' for fans' tweets, she presses 'いいね' for Apex men. She is just like any other female streamer. She is also an ordinary female streamer who plays with male streamers with fans' money. She doesn't keep her promise to her fans.

Stop resetting your fucking IP, jesus

Most of her problems can be solved by uninstalling Apex

Most of your problems can be solved with a bullet in the brain

The average Japanese Nekofami is not allowed to complain about her on X. They look down on 5ch as well. Therefore, their complaints must be increasing rapidly here on 4ch.
Please give them a warm welcome.

If you don't complain on your main account so she can verify that you're actually a fan, your whining is worthless. Nobody likes people who hide behind anonymity and throwaway accounts like a little bitch.

it's unironically over
this should be the last time this thread is baked, nothing good comes out of it anymore

>>56332200
the irony of this post

You're so right, let's all leave the thread alone now. You go first.

>suddenly playing Valk
uhhhhh who's coaching her?

>>56332326
Irony? I'm not trying to convince HER of anything. So, what's your excuse for being a pussy?

>>56332370
the irony is
>Nobody likes people who hide behind anonymity and throwaway accounts like a little bitch.
Mike is doing it all the time

>>56332442
Not only incorrect, but now you're bordering on anti behavior. No wonder you won't just tell her about any of this on your main.

>>56332330
you tell me what's the point of this thread anymore? lets be honest it's just become a place to argue about uninstalling apex and anti's raiding

>>56332442
It is not she who is doing it, it is Anti, remember the Genshin tragedy.

>>56332442
One of your most retarted take in a while. Impressive not gonna lie

I miss Nazuna.

>>56332617
The thread has always had antis trying to stir up trouble ever since last year, nothing has changed at all. We persevered through.
Also, in my opinion, you give off the impression of someone who's trying to manipulate people. If I didn't know any better, I'd accuse you of being the anti-Apex guy samefagging.

Knowing her character, it is obvious that the more she opposes Apex, the more she will continue to play Apex.
The anti-Apex people are deliberately trying to make it interesting to make her do so.
Please don't be fooled.
They are the devil's soldiers to make her addicted to Apex.

>>56332842
you see what I mean, you've become so paranoid you think everyone is a anti. Think about it like this, if you love someone sometimes you have to let them go instead of causing them constant pain. lets do it for wife, we still have wifes chat and some discords to talk in. think about it

>>56333130
I don't disagree with the idea of not making threads when nothing is happening, there's other threads on here which already do that. That would at least remove the need to constantly bump threads and give less room for antis to spark fights during downtime when discussion can't be brought back to the stream. However, a Discord is not the same thing as the type of public entity that a thread like this provides. She's not in those. Also until she makes a free chat or something, there is no "chat" to have casual conversations in like that in public.
And it's not that I think everyone is an anti, you in particular give me the impression of someone who's trying to manipulate people. Sorry if you're being serious.

Look look >>56308829

>>56331481
I wouldn't mind to stop baking it for a while but the fact is that the few times i wanted to cool it down a bit another dude end up making a new thread and one of them mentioned doing it precisely because i mentioned that.

>>56333558
yes I'm serious, and I agree with you that we can make the thread for streams then let it die so anti's don't have a place to hang out and also no need to bump the thread.

>>56332127
Seeing how they're written many of them are clearly thinly veiled anti post falseflagging.

>>56334142
I don't why are you quoting bait threads but that really was sad.
A stream and stream idea everyone liked, she had very good ccv for Nazuna for the first time in a while, she seemed to enjoyed it quite a bit, it could have helped her english learning.
But nope, one and done. Well, at least she did it once. I can't say the same about other ideas.

>>56334302
I mean wife did yell at someone on twitter today.
not good, not good indeed

>>56334302
Again, as the main baker i would be happy to comply but as i said here >>56334223 this is not going to stop thread being made.
There's even some chance of an anti starting an thread which isn't good at all.

Christ you faggots are so dramatic

>>56334670
start telling other anons and lets see what happens

Forget about APEX. Let's dedicate tonight to her, gold tea and victory!

I love her. She is everything to me. I miss her so much. What do I do?

>>56337007
>open Mikeneko stream
>grab CuteNazuna.png and drag it over Mikeneko
>???
>profit!

Wife?

>>56340472
Love!

>>56334670
Who cares if an anti makes the next thread honestly, not like the discussion will be any different than a normal thread

My wife is a pretty cool cat!

>Mousepad finally came home
>Isn't flat
huh

>>56344338
Pads.

>>56344338
would

stop bumping the thread till next stream

You are going on strike to improve thread quality. I am killing myself if she streams Apex. We are not the same. #apexsuicide

If you actually did that, it'd solve both our problems.

>>56333558
I doubt she reads the threads anymore
If she does and still continued to play Apex without even a shred of emotion or guilt about it, then my opinion of her would drop by quite a lot

I love my wife

>>56347476
Your problem is lacking a brain
Anyone with a brain knows how terrible Apex is

>>56356500
its just one big time loop of apex, its so tiresome

>>56357834
The loop will continue until she uninstalls Apex

She needs to stop moving so much. She needs to settle down in the countryside with me in a house with a big garden next to a bubbling brook.

>>56356500
If she doesn't read these threads anymore then there's no reason to waste time complaining about Apex here when you could actually be getting somewhere by complaining on your main nekofami account which you definitely have

>mikeneko when you show her your collection of wifeposts

Cast btw

>>56358311
lmao

>>56358165
But that's the thing. Most of us fear voicing our opinion on main. We are too deep in to risk being blocked.

あはーは、話しだった、マーク

>>56362210
Why did i know this reference inmediately?
Also, it should be like this:
あはーは、何というお話し、マーク!

She's also playing Apex after lying to her fans that she's busy

>>56364210
being busy =/= being occupied 24/7 with shit

My wife is the most beautiful woman in the world

>>56366257
I wrote this

collab with *24-hour building* san in 21st!

>unfollowed the APEX pro
did we win?

>>56367194
Happy for her to get some sponsor going. Hope she gets more over time.
>>56367539
Which one of you did heraru to her again?

Love

Will she show up for the VShojo afterparty for the concert? I hope she does. Please show up Nazuna

>>56363924
I think this sounds unnatural to a japanese speaker

Fucking 一虎 ...

>>56370026
You're saying it like the dialogue of that movie sounds natural to English speakers.

I have absolute faith in wife, she cannot do wrong, she makes me happy and I love her.

Love wife

Love wife loves APEX

Wife love

>>56370006
Me too. I hope she can interact with the members atleast. I think she would be happy if she got over her anxiety and realised that they are fine with her not being able to speak English. They still love her and try hard to be able to communicate if she shows up. She atleast seemed to become happy when she was having an episode during her birthday, and everyone’s bday videos made her snap out of it

rabu

With four letters. Game i really hate but she keeps playing unfortunately.

She plays Aoex everyday

>>56376283
>ピ
>ク
>ミ
>ン
oh no.

>>56377346
Not my problem. Pic of me, btw.

Is she literally just asking for money now?

She's asking for people to throw gold even free ones cause it helps

Who would have thought this is a buff in twitcast

Somehow very exciting round of 32

Well, top 16 is very good too. There's so many roulette rounds that even having a majority you're likely to lose.

What the fuck is joyous APEX you addict

Anyways, my twitcast page on both my PC and my phone suddenly closed and I can't find a way to open them again.
What a shame since she doesn't leave archives, oh well.

She did well in the race. She will now APEX for joy.

She is playing APEX now.
She does not play ASMR today

straight back to APEX...

Maybe if I can't stop Apex... I have to become Apex myself.

I'm unsubbing if by the end of the month haven't gotten 3 out of the following 4:
>ASMR
>melon T
>mizugi photo set
>2 fanbox posts
She can play APEX as much as she wants but I'm not going to stay around for it if I'm not getting anything in return

>>56379974
Yeah, I am giving up too.
I thought things were getting better but I don't believe in it anymore.

>>56380769
If you have the will to make a post here about giving up on her, make it public on Twitter on her tags? What have you got to lose?
>>56379974
Your situation is less severe, but I see no reason not to mention that you don't think Fanbox is worthwile. I can pretty much guarantee ASMR and Mizugi are 100% not happening this month, and she apparently cares enough to want to know why people leave her Fanbox, although the Japanese are betamales who lie and tell her that it's payment processing issues
I was at 5000 Yen, but I put it up to 10000 Yen just this month. I was considering whether to maintain it or to drop back to 5000, but when I realised that she doesn't do anything with it, I dropped to 1500 Yen

This is what she's killing her career for, by the way

Lovely wife

8/21 all will be saved.

>https://twitter.com/kotomofu1196/status/1692430051533545495?s=20

Stop boosting this guy, no matter how much you agree with him.

>>56383744
A commercial collab with a combini chain isn't going to change anything at all.

The people who speak out about their honest opinions about Apex will be lynched by the other "fans", who will leave in a few months when they get tired of her.

Thank god Nazuna necked herself to pursue the YouTube Hololive dream. This debut buff month is HUGE! She better keep the hype going, because these numbers are so massive.

Big shout out to all my comrades over at Rumina and 5ch for warning her for months about VShojo and Twitch killing her career. All of that stress and motivation-killing doupt she had about VShojo and Twitch finally paid off in the end. She's finally free from the shackles.

With that out of the way, I would like to bid farewell to VShojo. Rushia is back in a Japanese company. It's basically a box just like Hololive with concerts, big group collabs, and cute charms of her you can gacha roll for in a machine. She will also make a lot of friends from the collabs, so that's also a plus. This company is also way better because they will fix voice-acting roles for her. Roles in an ACTUAL POPULAR GAME BY A BIG COMPANY. Something that VShojo never could offer since they are an american company.

So yeah. This is my goodbye message to everyone. It's not anything personal. It's just the reality of the situation. Hope you understand.

Meanwhile, this month

>>56386974
The same month where she streamed one time and ditched her own anniversary? I’m sure she was really putting her blood sweat and tears into being the best her she can be. But it’s fine. We bullied her away from the company for an entire year so she could embrace her real self and we are finally seeing all that hard work pay off *high five*

>>56387209
Last 3 months
Also, there's no point using averages for YouTube since people always leave for Superchat reading. If you weren't a newfag, you'd know that /#/ uses peak CCV for this very reason and that they don't even bother to compare Twitch to YouTube

I don’t agree with the vsjfag but 3.2k is an embarrassingly low number.

>>56387312
that's very high for a JP indie

>>56387312
Average. That counts her 1+ hour superchat reading. People always leave during Superchats
This is why nobody uses average CCV for measuring YouTube streams. She didn't do superchat reading on Twitch
Also, doesn't Twitch count views even if you have multiple streams up? I don't think YouTube does that.

why does soap cat hate the stinky neet?

While we're on this topic, I'd like to bring up the fact that her earnings per stream have skyrocketed compared to Nazuna, because the vshojofag audience is inundated with broke losers who don't donate and twitch subs are garbage.

Why does she love Apex?

>>56387629
yeah, it has absolutely nothing to do with her changing to her diet-Rushia model.

>>56387299
>last 3 months
She has still barely been streaming. She is putting her everything into Mikeneko with the return of Rushia debut and clickbaiting sankisei and still only has 1k over half-dead Nazuna. You will come to this realisation yourself someday, and you will hate yourself for it because you destroyed someone’s future
>>56387629
>Source: my head
You can keep coping all you want. The numbers don’t lie.

It is a danger signal that she is obsessed with APEX, Twicas are increasing, and YouTube is starting to space out.
This is because this was the main reason for her slump, including Nazuna.
If Apex is not uninstalled, YouTube's momentum will soon come to a halt.

Is this your a attempt at a ironical grudgepost from a vshojofag?
The image reads like you think Nazuna has 3.7k average, which is hilarious (check it out yourself), and using her debut numbers back in july last year (first serious appearance since the incident + all of vshojos big figures raiding) like it's something imaginable now.
The real thing is that, even if she keep trying to killing her career she does have significantly more audience as Mike and can attract up to 12k if she numberfags the shit out of it (and gets lucky with it) with no raids, which means if she plays her cards right (may be too much to ask for her but whatever) she has a real chance of growing her ccv average to at least twice as much as Nazuna in my opinion.
She also is very clearly trying way way way more as Mike than she ever did as Nazuna.
Anyways, had to say that because the image is incredibly misleading.
Also, stop being a weirdo and support her in her endeavors, you massive corpo retard

>>56386803
She had her YouTube Hololive dream up until Hololive stabbed her in the back.

>>56387880
I'm sure she'll come crawling back for the pennies you poorfags have to offer any day now.

I don't really care about Mike vs. Nazuna but it's pretty indisputable she makes more money as Mike because of the superchat system. She does get more/better merch from Nazuna though.

How do you do fellow るみな posters?

>>56387841
So, you're saying she attracted better fans by doing better streams on a better platform? No shit.

>>56388148
Her Mike merch is better too and she already has a collab with a conbini coming up. Vshojo offers nothing.

>>56387990
That strong start to the year has already been darkened by a dark cloud. The pace of YouTube distribution is slowing down because she is preoccupied with APEX, which she has been holding off on for a while. It is best not to be optimistic.

>>56388148
True. I like Nazuna's model way more but things just didn't come together for her on Twitch for it to be profitable compared to youtube.
>much of her audience is used to YT
>never collabed with org mates
>played a lot of Elden Ring which prohibits donations and bits while being streamed
>people hate apex and don't donate during it
and one the biggest factor might be
>consistently in a bad mood as Nazuna
Vshojo doesn't have anyone who streams during her time slot, so if she were consistent she was in a good position to keep US morning and US degen hours viewers but streaming once every 2 weeks obviously isn't the way to do that.

>>56387312
Do you really want me to put the twitchtracker image? Because she had one (1) month with a higher average since fucking November last year.
>>56387880
You're not counting superchat reading lowering the average, you're not counting having 9 streams with over 100k views in her first month (3 over 250k views!!!) which is amazing numbers for an indie and you're not counting getting almost 50k more subscribers since she decided to come back.
You're basically coming here with the twitch mentality that once streams are done they stop existing so you misrepresent or don't understand how many people are watching her vods.
Barring all this discussion, you have to be completely blind to get to the conclusion sick, in very bad humor, extremely incosistent breaks, guerrilla apex all the way Nazuna can be remotely comparable with current Youtube Mikeneko; and i say this as someone who has seen both the whole way down.
She seems to be in a greater mood, trying and planning way more things that the audience actually likes and i don't get this feeling of dread every time she starts a new stream in fear she will do some bizarre manic things.

If the stream does not increase her APEX points, she has a 90 percent chance of continuing to play afterwards. That makes her sick, frustrated, and stream less often.APEX is a horrible game.

>>56388148
Prove it

>>56388652
But even that optimistic happiness of yours is about to be taken away again by APEX.
Already the pace of YouTube distribution is slowing, and Twicas will not benefit at all from YouTube's surge of only 800 subscribers.
APEX is the devil's game.

>>56387990
You realise she stopped caring about Nazuna because of you guys and 5ch schizos right? You were convinced she would have this massive growth on Mikeneko which didn’t happen. The amount of times I kept seeing ”omg look she has 7k viewers on this YT Just leave VShojo already” posted whenever she did the monthly Mike stream is more than I can recall. Now she is in the gutter after throwing everything away for what you begged her to do for an entire year, and there are less people than before. You killed her. Accept it. Imagine if you spent all of these months being supportive instead. Maybe she could have been somewhat consistent and have been at 4.5k CCV or something now. Imagine seeing ”twitch is the reason your numbers are so low” everyday for a year. If you hear something enough times, you eventually believe it. This is something no one bipolar should go through. Imagine the despair she will feel realising that it wasn’t twitch. She felt it was pointless streaming on twitch for an entire year for nothing. It clouded her mind of putting effort into her content. You caused this. Oh and 12k is horrible in this context. She had the 50k for her Nazuna debur
>HURR DURR RAIDS IS CHEATING
Why would you of all people say this? It’s literally what Hololive is built on. The group. That’s why they could literally fire their 2 biggest scorers and still be the biggest company. Facts don’t care about your feelings. And 50k is 50k. Can’t wait to hear all your cope

If she continues to be as obsessed with APEX as she was before, she will only be able to YouTube 3 times a week and her average ties will be around 3000, settling for a second-rate Vtuber with more than Nazuna but nothing special.

>>56388963
We caused her to make a good decision that revived her career, benefits her financially, and improved her day-to-day mood? We fucking rule!
Too bad vshojofags were too poor and annoying to accomplish anything with their failing corpo.

>>56389161
Henya has maintained fairly good numbers as a newcomer. What is the difference? Only motivation. If she had streamed a lot, her numbers would have gone up and up, due to her isolation to Twicas.

>>56388963
They hated Jesus because he told them the truth.

>>56389367
Henya doesn't count!

>>56389161
>>56386803
It won’t change the fact that she has lower numbers on Mike. You failed her like always. And you were wrong like always (like with the stream quota rrat) show me how much she earns on Mike and how much she earns on Twitch. Until you do this is just deflection. Twitch and YT are actually usually compared the other way around because a 200CCV Twitch streamer can live off of Twitch which is not possible on YT. You guys are masters at deflection and gaslighting yourselves though. That’s why you’re the laughingstock of this board

we're just an ATM to her.

>>56389367
5chの知恵遅れは自殺しろ

>>56388963
>Now she is in the gutter
lmao. If she's in the gutter as Mike, she was basically dead as Nazuna.
>and there are less people than before.
Wrong, there's considerably more viewers that she had by herself in the past year as Nazuna. For example, if you have 2k ccv, >3k ccv is an over 50% increase in viewers.
>You killed her. Accept it.
Pure brain rot lmao.

I'm not going to reply to the rest because you're very retardedly trying to make a troll grudgepost concerfagging with 0 clue of what you're saying.
The lack of discoverability, very low japanese userbase and the lack of the real VOD system recommendation was definitely part (not the only thing at all, and no one has ever said that) of what was killing her channel
You're not even engaging with my reply, you're repeating things back like a 5 year old because you're obssesed with people having to stream in twitch or something when it's not the case for nearly all popular japanese vtubers to the point of making your own bizarre rrat.

It is easy to blame Vshojo for incompetence.
And until the other day she was putting up great numbers on YouTube.
But now Apex is once again interfering with her glory. She must change if she is to regain her full glory, and unless she uninstalls Apex, she will never regain her former glory.

>>56389480
You are too poor to be an ATM LOL

I don't think Nazuna's career has been in vain. Her English has improved somewhat over the past year, and the quality of her Streams is no different than Mikeneko's.
Many of Nazuna's problems were with APEX in her private life.
That is why I am very concerned that APEX will cause another tragedy.

>>56389460
Ok, just go fuck yourself and go back to your whores thread.
You're completely unwilling to admit you're objectively wrong (i insist, she has a higher average only in one (1) month of the last 10, the average of the past 6 months is considerably lower than that), you don't know a fucking shit of japanese, you haven't watched a single twitcast of her and you're starting to move goalposts.

5chan guys, we get the APEX thing and have been criticizing it for many months.
You can stop making obvious machine translation posts about it, we get it.

No pink V = she failed

>>56389545
>>Now she is in the gutter
>lmao. If she's in the gutter as Mike, she was basically dead as Nazuna.
You chose to reply to this of all things in my post? Wow that said a lot. It contains as much information as saying ”Mike low number, Nazuna high number” (not saying my post is on this level because it’s a small component in a big factory)
> Wrong, there's considerably more viewers that she had by herself in the past year as Nazuna. For example, if you have 2k ccv, >3k ccv is an over 50% increase in viewers.
I think you’re trying to say that her CCV is high because of the past year numbers?
If anything that should be bad for the comparison. Because the numbers for Mike are sourced from her debut. The absolute peak of the return of Rushia, which can’t even compare to a year and a half of a demotivated, inconsistent angel.
> Pure brain rot lmao.

I'm not going to reply to the rest because you're very retardedly trying to make a troll grudgepost concerfagging with 0 clue of what you're saying.
The lack of discoverability, very low japanese userbase and the lack of the real VOD system recommendation was definitely part (not the only thing at all, and no one has ever said that) of what was killing her channel
You're not even engaging with my reply, you're repeating things back like a 5 year old because you're obssesed with people having to stream in twitch or something when it's not the case for nearly all popular japanese vtubers to the point of making your own bizarre rrat.
>buzzword buzzword headcanon headcanon wall of text deflection
>doing the preemptive ”accuse you of doing what i’m about to do so i can respond with >no you back”-strategy
I get you don’t want to be cornered anymore. It’s not an easy thing to deal with. It’s a lot of reflection and speculation when it come to this stuff (i’m not perfect either. But i wish everyone well) But you need to swallow the red pill here. It’s not too late to admit you were wrong. Not to me so i can feel an egostroke for ”winning”(you never win on 4chan btw) but to you, so you can stop thinking about this, and so you can improve as a husband and make better choices. Because you will feel guilt one day. Putting everything into Mikeneko didn’t go as expected and it is what it is. It would be rich of me, a vshojonigger to tell you exactly what to do, and what to change. But try to be supportive and more optimistic. If you start being angry. She will also be angry. If you are happy. She will also be happy. If you are worried…. You get the idea. Do meditation and internet detox week once a month and work out.

Vshojofags are not taking their humiliation well.

>>56391261
mucho texto
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>>56390168
>You're completely unwilling to admit you're objectively wrong (i insist, she has a higher average only in one (1) month of the last 10, the average of the past 6 months is considerably lower than that)
Even if that’s the case. That’s still far away from the 7k you kept running your mouth about every thread. And the Nazuna in our timeline is a Nazuna that was gaslit for months into thinking twitch is the foot of evil, so she barely put any effort into her content or staying consistent. I would also like you to provide some statistics because 3.2k is pathetic for the return of Rushia. It didn’t say 3.2k back when she was in hololive, did it? This supacha reading cope is awful. Get this fact into your thick skull.
>The return of Rushia is performing worse than the angel who had no motivation to stream on the evil website that’s ”surpressing her growth” (and when she did it was 2 times a month) And don’t get me started on the fact that twitch to YT comparisons are favored in twitch’s side. A fact you acknowledged when you flaunted her 7k views on her monthly Mike streams. Now it’s suddenly the other way around. YT, that god awful jewed website is now the one that pays the most? Have you ever seen a 100CCV streamer on YT live off of streaming? Yeah no. Bullshit
>you don’t know a shit of japanese

日本語は下手くそだか、毎日勉強している
>>56391748
>>56391490
>he fully commited to the deflection
I hope you atleast take my words to heart, tsundere

Broke vshojo losers will never wash away their shame.

>>56391261
Are we really doing the thing in which i tell you that her Mike average is considerably higher than Nazuna's one for the past 10 months and you keep ignoring it? Because i don't feel like doing this until bump limit.
>I think you’re trying to say that her CCV is high because of the past year numbers?
You lack reading comprehension. Sad state of american education...
>The absolute peak of the return of Rushia, which can’t even compare to a year and a half of a demotivated, inconsistent angel.
The last model debut has 482k views so i think she's doing fine. Good luck finding her last twitch vod with that number of views.
>I get you don’t want to be cornered anymore.
You're being rekt every time and don't even realize it lmao.
>It’s not too late to admit you were wrong.
Very poor attempt at gaslighting.
>Putting everything into Mikeneko didn’t go as expected and it is what it is.
For the nth time, she's doing better viewer-wise, subscriber-wise, money-wise and mental health-wise and this obvious for every single person that watches her, except you, apparently. You seem to think that keep repeating things over and over will make them true somehow despite providing 0 evidence.
>Not to me so i can feel an egostroke for ”winning”
The only thing you're winning is the special olympics.

>>56391490
It surely sounded way better in his head, but he lacks mental capability to understand other people unfortunately.

>>56392492
>I would also like you to provide some statistics because 3.2k is pathetic for the return of Rushia.
That's not her comeback you retard, that's the average stabilized after time, including the superchat reading parts which can be up to an hour long sometimes so they're a significant part of a 3-4 hours stream duration. The august average doesn't even including the re-debut stream since it happened in july.

> It didn’t say 3.2k back when she was in hololive, did it?
No one has argued that she's ever going to get back Rushia's numbers since she isn't hololive anymore and can't benefit for most of the things she had there. But if you're comparing with Rushia, Nazuna is still the smaller of the 3.
>And the Nazuna in our timeline is a Nazuna that was gaslit for months into thinking twitch is the foot of evil, so she barely put any effort into her content or staying consistent.
This is your own personal rrat based on 0 knowledge or comments from her. If you actually knew a minimum you will know she had many other things and problems to think about (including vshojo btw, and she has mentioned this in stream) and she has almost never read this thread so it's very unlikely she would have read this criticism often.
This feels like copium over your weird loyalty for twitch and vshojo so you need to find some boogeyman that explains why she doesn't want to be Nazuna anymore more than once per month.

If I was in a room with Mafumafu, Yagoo, Korekore, and Apex, and had a gun with only 3 rounds left, I’d shoot Apex three times.

Hmm, she gave some attention to the concert, maybe I'll buy it.

Her ratings problem is nothing to be angry about. She just demotivates her. Whatever it is now, she is motivated to do Mikeneko.
Should support it.

>>56392817
>her Mike average is considerably higher than Nazuna's
>MIKE HIGHER AVG BECAUSE ME SAY SO
No one believes your supacha cope. She is a 3.2k streamer and Nazuna is a 3.7k streamer. Through and through. And also. All those vod views are akin to her own debut on Nazuna. Doesn’t matter though since twitch is a streaming website and not a video sharing website like YT. And also, ad revenue is absolute dogshit on Youtube. A bunch of sankiseishills clicking on her vod to watch 2 minutes doesn’t mean anything. Like how you tried claiming the raids for her debut didn’t mean anything either
>viewer-wise
3.2k vs. 3.7k + twitch pays more
>subscriber-wise
Obviously. She gained a lot of off her intial graduation when she cried hidoi yo on stream. She didn’t debut until the summer
>mental health-wise
Yeah surely. She is so mentally stable right now that she lashed out on a zhang that called her disposable
>>56392817
Do you think that the debut buff vanishes after a couple of weeks? Look at Henya with 7k ccv going strong. The fact that she is back to the floor again just proves that it was all sankiseishills
>and she has almost never read this thread
Funny that you left out 5ch because you know she goes there regularly. And she used to go here regularly aswell. You would know what 5ch thinks of VShojo right?
>>56394185
This is actually the best post in this thread. I should have waited for her to go back to Nazuna again before going all in. I just assumed she would because her numbers are pathetic now

>>56394701
Where are you getting 3.7k from? Look at Twitchtracker, aside from the occasional raid buff she's barely broken 3k a couple times since January

Right now, she is most motivated by Apex.
The second most motivating stream is the "easy to collect" stream.
She will not be satisfied with Stream, where she can expect only mediocre numbers.
I would like to see the song slots and ASMR implemented as soon as possible.

>>56394998
She didn't live up to her ASMR promise, and heartbroken viewers retaliated by lowering Pikmin's views.
If she does her promised ASMR, her broken heart will be healed.

>>56394959
That’s the number the site says. Cope, seethe, dilate. It should actually be higher because of how inconsistent she got and her ccv tanked slightly

>>56395232
It's a real shame that I'm so obsessed with APEX that I won't be able to fulfill my promise.
I will flirt and enjoy Awawa's 1st ASMR tonight!

>>56395288
nta, but if you are going to numberfag at least do it right else you're making yourself look like a clown
>>56394959
it's her all time avg., which is a retarded number to use. she's only had more than that twice in all of '23

>>56395288
But the numbers I gave are the numbers my site says too...

>>56395553
She should collaborate more with other cute girls. For these people, the chance to reach an average of even 100 viewers is a pipe dream. Do you think they care about the little things like "Junichi Kato the Strongest" has to be put up for one stream? It's nothing. Don't let fear get in the way of progress.

>https://x.com/saka11205/status/1692615710282031305
Now that Mike’s most dedicated artist is focusing on Fuwamoco, who should we move to on to once things are over? Hololive suggestions only please.

Show her Mike account, coward

>>56394701
>She is a 3.2k streamer and Nazuna is a 3.7k streamer
No matter how you put it Nazuna has only got an over 3.2k monthly average once (1) in the past 10 months and her average is close to 2k (with raids btw) for the past 6. Claiming 3.7k because of whatever streams of August 2022 is incredibly stupid. The obvious trend and her current average is around 2k viewers as Nazuna, the end. Her current monthly average as Mike is over 50% higher. Finito.
I don't get why do you refuse to understand this.
>Doesn’t matter though since twitch is a streaming website and not a video sharing website like YT.
That's why it's shit.
>Twitch pays more.
Source needed + Popular streamers leaving to Youtube and Kick in droves Hmmmmm...
>Look at Henya with 7k ccv going strong
Henya average is 5k, which is 3k less than her May average.
>The fact that she is back to the floor again
You're boring me. Go away.

>>56398248
That's her secondary account.

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how many times does she move?

>>56398514
It's her main account which has always done stuff other than mike. The sa__ka__na account does exclusively mike.

>>56398438
>Popular streamers leaving to Youtube
Yeah because they are getting contracts for multiple millions. Are you implying this is also the case with any VTuber? You know how big you have to be?

Okay so Nazuna is 2k average, and Mike is 3.2k Nazuna was getting atleast 7k after that much time had passed after her debut
>Henya average is 5k
Still double what pikamee was getting. And also way more than Nazuna or Mike
>Source needed
Can’t give one. But in general on this board, when comparing YT and Twitch. People tend to favor Twitch

please stop baking this thread
it's arguing about apex and anti's
no positive discussions ever
if you love wife save her from the anti's here before its too late

For the time being let's only make a thread when there's actually something happening

>>56400268
>>56400532
trying too hard

>>56400563
I'm being serious, let's give only making threads when there's something happening a shot

>>56400589
>aiiiiie there's a couple vshojofags shitting up the thread, let's stop making it!
this thread has gone through worse lmao

>>56400634
I didn't say stop making it, I'm not the other guy, I said let's not make it when there's nothing happening

>>56400680
nah

>>56400686
Suit yourself, enjoy arguing with the vshojofag
See you tomorrow if there's a stream

>>56400563
where's the positive discussion?
why feed the anti's?
what's the point at the moment?
just to arguing about apex or numbers?

If Mike makes a cover of 炉心誘拐

I will let her play as much epesu i want

it's over

>>56399983
Mikeneko is way more successful than Henya are you high?

>>56403295
She is more successful at cucking her audience

If she get tired of streaming, I'm throwing you all under the bus and ask her for marriage.

>>56399983
Not a single streamer on YouTube got a contract lol
Kick is not YouTube

Vegeta fight٩( 'ω' )و

Ria is a whore