/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I like 3D models. They have more options are are more expressive than L2D. Most vtubers leave their L2D on their ":D" face and never use it for more than that. If all they're going to do is wiggle back and forth with a smile, they could be a PNG.

I think OP is a retard

I think that trying to convince yourself that a virtual entertainment is your girlfriend/wife/daughter is gay and retarded

>>56180390
Thats a popular opinion, idiot.

>>56180273
I think relegating costumes like this to 3D is dumb, and having a L2D version would've been better. However, I like that those models can move their arms around and pose.

An actual unpopular opinion is shiraken stopped being flare and polka, and now just feels like MiComet 24/7 with Flare, Noel and Polka on standby. it feels like a watered down bakatare circus

I think Fuwamoco is cringe. I think they're trying way too hard with the "twins being super alike" gimmick. Everything they do and say feels fake and rehearsed.

>>56180474
Jesus her breasts..

>>56180273
Mumei is so sexy

I think that Hololive have done just as much to advance vtubing as a medium as they have done to hold it back.

>>56180644
Koseki Bijou and Shiori Novella is starting to sound fake and try hard as well.

>>56180644
I think its perfectly fine, but how will they handle mengens?

JP is worse than EN. People complain about EN girls being whores despite Matsuri, Marine, Choco, etc existing, then when you factor in RM shit the list grows, but for some reason it's the girls who don't have a future in JAV that are the problem.
Holo JP is closer to Vshojo than EN ever was, Pekora, Sora and Suisei aren't enough to offset this fact.

>>56180757
In case it's not obvious I despise coomerbaiting and think it's weak as fuck. It may not be an unpopular opinion here, but the success of numerous vtubers shows it sadly works and is popular. I fucking despise it, and am unsure if it's a popular or unpopular opinion.

>>56180757
>Thinks Sora and Suisei aren’t whores

>>56180273
I don't like 3D models in general but there was a time where i really liked Subaru home3D because she is a fucking autist while playing games and 3D can capture that better than 2D.
>>56180757
Suiseis shining days are long over don't you dare put hear near to Pekora. She's a true diva now.

Schizos should be banned for spamming and being avatarfags no matter the vtuber. It’s probably a popular opinion but no one does anything

Vtubers who get one-guy'd into a menhera attack should be suspended for a week and given a class on not giving negative attention more negative attention.

Selen deserves better than Nijisanji. Also I admit she's my wife irl fr fr

>>56180757
You can probably name 20/35 maybe even 25 for JP but EN is literally 11/15 and before advent 8/10 maybe even 9/10 if you don’t give the benefit of the doubt. That’s a problem

>>56180273
3D is nice atm because it's their summer fest outfits and it makes it feel like they just came back from the event. 2D has more sovl but it's nice to see some continuity instead of randomly changing models

>>56181024
I feel like the schizo spam shit is part of the charm on 4chan, you can say (almost) anything and get away with it. Know one will know whether the sane shit a post has today is from the same person that said schizo shit yesterday.

>>56180644
I have no idea why everyone's saying that they're saving EN and bring some ethereal "JP feel". Do these people even watch clips, let alone streams? If Fuwamoco speak in a high-pitched voice and you can't make out half of what they're saying it doesn't mean they're like JP, it just means they're trying for an extreme level of moe (and, evidently, succeeding)

>>56180273
same

>>56181427
get a room

Rushia deserves another chance.

1/2 views aren't fulling anyone when they have their 5th "redebut" in six months.

>>56181550
This. She unironically did nothing wrong.

>>56181645
If she did nothing wrong why did she get terminated?

>>56180928
>Suiseis shining days are long over
What the fuck are you talking about, she's more successful than ever

>>56181550
>>56181645
if you get terminated from Hololive, you did do something wrong anon

I don't hate Zentreya. I absolutely hate the idea of a pure TTS, probably a guy BTS vtuber, and yet they're tolerable.

>>56181784
She is more successful than ever and leaving her community behind because she is too good for streaming now.

>>56180273
Fallenshadow is the only indie vtuber who's somehow decent. Outside of her all indie vtubers are fucking TRASH.

>>56180716
Proving success by allowing streaming to take hold has throttled the medium and turned it into parasocial daycare for talentless streamers.
Things were better when chuubas had to stand on their own two feet

>>56182017
Shondo is fucking insufferable and I don't quite get how /vt/ actually enjoys her

>>56181645
>>56182002
that's not an unpopular opinion that's just factually wrong.

>>56180273
fake hiccups are CRIINGE

I tried giving her a chance, but I can't stand Filian's hyperactive bullshit, people really find entertainment in her streams? All she does is yell.

>>56182152
Yell, and the constant barrage of her soundboard going off with random noises.

>>56180273
No EN gen should ever have a larger amount of ESL in it than native english speakers. I don't care how experienced or entertaining they are, every EN gen should be dominated by native english speakers. Advent is an ESL gen and therefore a failure to the EN audience.

>>56182142
A fucking Clayton Chapman post on /vt/ of all places? This might actually be him lmao, always was a massive otaku.

>>56182152
She moves around a lot and is quite witty.
Filian's problem is the soundboard. And the react streams, I know the woman wants to make a dollar, but she should really just cut stream after her 45 minute vrchat intro segment.

>>56180273
If it wasn't for Gura, Holomyth would be one of the worst vtubing gens of all time.

>>56182102
oh please educate me. Oh and all her talks for like the past year were only 10 minutes talk about anime then promotion promotion and merch shilling.

>>56182152
Fillian is for clips, some of those are really good. As for watching a full stream? Maybe if I was 10 years younger

>>56182274
That is by far the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

China instigating ww3 and all of SEA being nuked into the ground would greatly benefit vtubing

>>56182279
what am i supposed to be looking at that supports your point that she's leaving any community behind?

>>56182186
Personally I don't care as long as they're fluent enough, but what exactly gave away that a majority of them aren't "fluent?"

>>56180273
Maybe not here, but for example ytbers talking about chuubas rms is fair game as long as its not doxx tier. But if someone days xyz chuuba used to be xyz streamers, heres some videos, that's fair game

it is honestly whatever if a girl and boy want to collab, but using it to "address haters" or do spiteful shit in general is weird and dumb no matter who does it, the vtuber or the fans

>>56182386
she is barley streaming. collabs don't count and like her said her zatsudans turned into pure promotion streams. How is that caring about your community?

>>56180273
Breaks DO kill a channel growth and they aren't good, more than 1 free day each week is bad too, if the streamer is stressed taking a week of is going to kill her channel and will make her even more misserable

Selling out when you get big enough is fine. You should be taking the bag and running once you have enough to retire on/live off passive income. Make room for others and peace out.

>>56182592
>she is barley streaming.
so? she does way more than that, and while her fanbase likes her streams they're not starving for content.
>collabs don't count
why not? they don't fit your narrative?
>her zatsudans turned into pure promotion streams
not really? none of her last zatsu and gaming zatsus have been for the main purpose of shilling anything, and even when she does shill something it's because she always has something to shill because she's doing so much, so she might as well. there's nothing special about that.
>How is that caring about your community?
she does weekly radio shows back to back, she uploads shorts and tiktok videos like 3 times a week, she keeps her community constantly updated, she uses her sub account to write more affectionate and silly tweets, and pretty much every appearance she's had on national TV that people might've missed she then uploads to youtube so people don't miss it. she just uploaded a tweet of herself singing in the bathroom for no reason. how is any of this NOT caring about your community?

Homo beggars and unicors are equally retarded, homo beggars tell everyone to respect the streamer choices until they choce to no collab with males and unicorns cry like babies because a girl streams with a male, but her covers, art, assets are made mostly by males and they have to talk with them to get it.

>>56183095
Something always wonder about unicorns.. you know it's not all A-chans BTS, right bro?

>>56183095
this isn't an unpopular opinion. Most of the board believes it but will still shit post on one or both sides because the catalog is a sea of piss whose only purpose is to piss in.

>>56182274
Very unpopular opinion alright
>>56182186
I don't agree as long as they're not speaking outright broken english, but this is respectable
>>56182434
If I were to agree with this I'd at least make sure the chuuba is okay with people refering to their previous incarnation. I think just talking about old incarnations without making the link is totally fine though.
>>56182910
Depends on whether streaming is their only source of content.
>>56182996
This is how we end up with more people like Kronii who don't care about vtubers or even their immediate environment, so nah.
>>56183027
Based no-bullshit defendee
>>56183095
I've always thought they're two sides of the same coin (at least the ones that plague the catalog, which is like a cartoon version of them), they're both disrespectful of the chuuba's choices. I can see why unicorns would feel betrayed if their oshi collabs with males after buttering them up with GFE-esque content though, but if she never made any implicit promises then I don't think that's fair. Homobeggars can just die in a fire. (Your "their assets are made by males" argument is pretty stupid though)

>>56183684
>This is how we end up with more people like Kronii who don't care about vtubers or even their immediate environment, so nah.
There are 10,000 vtubers.
When the one you're watching stops caring, you should stop caring about them and move on.

>>56182274
This is a true statement and technically not even an unpopular opinion because she has more fans than all of myth

I think all chuubas deserve to be happy.

Shiori is the Hex Haywire of HoloEN and anyone who falls for such incredibly transparent GFE pandering deserves everything that's coming. Even if subhuman bvtm users were wiped off the face of the planet, a menhera implosion is all but guaranteed and it's not a matter of 'if' than 'when'.

>>56184265
mind
broken

>>56180273
I hate Cover's L2D tech for the range of motion it allows. Mainly because I like imagining how the person behind the avatar moves during streams, and some Holos move around a lot and look in weird directions constantly. Either their tech is really sensitive to movement, or they're acting like retards behind the camera.

vtubers stream for too long. I understand they're chronically online like everyone else but keep that shit to 2 hours.

vtuber streams are too short. You're not making any progress on that 20 hour game in a 2 hour stream. Go for 8-12 hours.

>>56183095
>ESL
No point in disputing

Vtuber streams are too long. They should be an hour max so people can actually watch them and not just use them as background noise. Also they should be prerecorded and edited.

>>56184441
>>56184507
Average DID user on /vt/

>>56184441 vs >>56184507
Who yall anons got?

>>56184379
>I'm your goth girlfriend question mark
>when handling a microscope put one arm around my shoulder and the other on the microscope
>if you were my microscope I would get really close and peek into your soul
If you enjoy this you are stupid

>>56182367
Elaborate

>>56183027
>her fanbase
sure because the ones that left her are not part of her new fanbse.
>collabs don't count
It's just playing with friends and completely ignoring chat. This is Suisei who can hold zatsudans or sing while playing tetris. Also when was her last Tokomatchi Radio? Oh no it's so hard to find time for it. Wanna play the new splatoon season? sure why not.
>her zatsudans
the last 3 zatsudans i watched of her were all about shilling stuff. I doubt it got much better.
> radio shows
her radio shows are pure selfinterest and networking. She only does Tiktok because it's the new cool thing to do. how about doing a memberstream one in a while.

Rin Penrose should put all her effort into short.s

>>56184400
In Hololive that’s like half of them acting autistic behind the camera. The other half are just bad at controlling their model

>>56184400
>They're acting like retards behind the camera.
I mean, this seems fairly likely. You can tell because not all the girls move around constantly in 3D, which means that it's just some of them who sway a lot and others who don't.

>>56184661
>>56184681
I believe a little over 4 hours is the sweet spot. No supers

>>56182274
>Gura
>Seethe
>Doesn't stream, should be better right?
>Seethe
Which is it anon?

>>56184727
She just wants to love you, anon. Why don't you let her?

>>56184750
>sure because the ones that left her are not part of her new fanbse.
her chat is filled with 2+ year members. you're just making shit up at this point.
>It's just playing with friends and completely ignoring chat. This is Suisei who can hold zatsudans or sing while playing tetris.
that's an arbitrary condition to a "proper" stream you just made up, this is not a suisei-exclusive "issue" with gaming collabs and nobody ever complains about this with any chuuba, let alone suisei. you're making a problem out of nothing.
>Also when was her last Tokomatchi Radio? Oh no it's so hard to find time for it. Wanna play the new splatoon season? sure why not.
i legitimately don't see your point here. do you want tokomachi radio specifically or what? they're still doing stuff together, is that not what matters?
>the last 3 zatsudans i watched of her were all about shilling stuff. I doubt it got much better.
did you just watch those couple of explicitly sponsored streams she did like 2 months ago and then proceed bitch about there being shilling on them or what? none of her last zatsu/gaming zatsus have been -about- shilling stuff, and i don't even remember her doing any shilling on any of them besides the typical onscreen card at the corner of the screen.
>her radio shows are pure selfinterest and networking.
ah yeah, the self-interest of... promoting other vsingers. and variety topics. do you even know what a radio show is or does that also count as "leaving her community behind" in your head for some reason?
>She only does Tiktok because it's the new cool thing to do.
so? it's still also in the interest of her community.
>how about doing a memberstream one in a while.
she uploads custom wallpapers for her members every single month, but also funny you mention that: https://twitter.com/suisei_submati/status/1691043231575035904

anything else? you're not really doing it for me with your both misinformed AND disingenuous arguments. literally her only "sin" has been that she's been streaming less, and everything else you just need to make shit up to get angry about.

>>56185666
Trips of truth. But also why are you niggers arguing about it here?

>>56183839
The problem is Kronii is still super popular and acts as a role model even if she doesn't want to. I'm not really trying to say she should care just because she's popular, but I'd rather have the big and successful chuubas be people that do give a shit. HoloJP are great for this.

>>56185810
Where the fuck else would they argue? At least here if they say retarded shit they can get away with it.

>>56185666
> 2+ year members
yeah i also was a 2 years members in chat and that doesn't include the time when youtube suspended her membership and look at me now shitting at her.
Custom Wallpapers are nothing. I don't even know if the chuba has to pay for it or it's just from the company. It's a 1 year contract and uploaded by the manager. Suisei doesn't do shit but be happy for fanart. Neo-Porte and Nijisanji also do the 1 wallpaper each month AND they do multiple member streams a month.

Outfits with large baggy sleeves, dresses, skirts, robes, and/or capes, and hairstyles with excessively long hair shouldn't be made 3d. The clipping is always terrible and the physics are insufficient. That includes even iconic default outfits and hairstyles.

>>56180434
that's a popular opinion

>>56180273
Fauna did nothing wrong. The question was a set-up gay op because sisters were pissed Fauna was being praised. Her only fault is she read the question and answered on the spot like shit.

>>56187315
I don't think that's an unpopular opinions

>>56187465
*opinion
I can't type

>>56180273
IRyS 1.0 was better. I haven't watched IRyS since she got rid of it.

>>56180644
>Everything they do and say feels fake and rehearsed
Without doxxing, I'm going to say that's because these girls are professionals and know exactly what to do. It's like instinct to them at this point. But yes, I do agree they should tone it down just a tiny bit.

>>56182910
>t. twitchdrone
you've been conditioned to believe that

>All that retarded Suzy back-and-forth
I'll contribute to both that and the topic with two unpopular opinions: there's nothing wrong with doing a lot of shill content if the content you're shilling directly involves you, and constant streams are not the only way for a chuuba to express she cares about her fans

Also I hate it when a chuuba forces a "teehee" kind of laugh at the end of every sentence

>>56187315
is that really unpopular? catalog sisters spamming it don't count.
>>56186997
hopefully they'd fix the fucking collisions, it can't be that hard, right? those outfits otherwise look cool as fuck.

>>56180273
Sana did nothing wrong and I still miss her.

>>56187588
Based, people say we are contrarian and no one ever liked her original look, but I really loved her original look, very fae like.
This also leads nicely to my unpopular opinion. New outfits are for the most part, terrible. This applies to all vtubers, at most they should have only a handful of outfits as too many makes them lose their iconic look/brand recognition. A few different outfits for different scenarios is fine, but when they constantly add more it makes the character worse. Look at all the old IRyS art that is now meaningless because she never uses the old stuff. Look at how you see some vtubers and you don't even know who they are given they change designs so often. Others just dilute things, e.g. Kiara's knight outfit and Mori's cowboy things just don't fit with the original designs and make them seem like other characters.

>>56189614
Funny enough I saw a video from another vtuber about why IRyS was redesigned and the comments were full of people saying they preferred the first one. The video also made me aware of the fact that everyone saying her face was kept the same are full of shit, because her eyes, nose and mouth are all shaped differently. IRyS 2 is a skinwalker

>>56189614
At least Calli’s cowboy outfit makes sense given that sheriff Mori is a recurring bit she’s been doing for a long time and she regularly lampoons being from Texas. Kiara’s knight costume is really out of left field.

>>56180273
>chat on screen is retarded
>overlays are retarded
even during zatsus/karaoke/etc. there are no good times for either.
if i want chat, i will open it, do not fill my screen with pointless visual noise that's overwhelmingly just drooling sycophants yipping on cue.

>>56185666
the amount of "so, that's just how it is" as an argument in this post makes my eyes bleed and i don't even have a horse in the race. it's just a wall of thoughtless apologism. the things you are replying to weren't even particularly compelling until you provided such bad retort to it such that i'm not starting to agree with him BECAUSE of you.

>>56190094
>The video also made me aware of the fact that everyone saying her face was kept the same are full of shit, because her eyes, nose and mouth are all shaped differently.
My eyes made me aware of this, not sure how you didn't see it.

>>56190201
Sure but Calli's design is big boobed reaper, she has a rapper outfit which makes sense but now you also have a few others and like I said it loses character recognition. People recognize goku becuase he's either in his orange outfit or a ripped up version of it, he didn't change his attire every story arc. Same for lots of other big name characters, you only change a few times.

>>56180273
I like mixed collabs. They are actually funny to watch.

Hololive needs to stop hiring these popular chink artists to do vtuber models when they have no prior experience to making them. It's how we get shit models like IRyS 1.0. Hire artists who already knows how vtuber models work and knows what needs to be cut so it's rigged correctly, or else we get a girl with wonky ass looks.

Hololive and Holostars collabing will never turn them into Nijisanji. Aside from the "own da haterz" dipshittery, both sides are good at behaving themselves and would never let themselves sink to the level of some Niji mixed collabs.

>>56180273
Unicorns are retarded, homo collabs are fine so long as they don't dominate a chuuba's content.

>>56180273
Gura is somehow underrated on /vt/
She is literally the best EN vtuber on the planet and it's not even close

>>56182367
>What is/was HoloCN
That's a great way for more corpos to copy Niji's strat of trying to pander to the Chinese market, which is even worse than SEA. But you know that, don't you Zhang? On a related note:
>>56180273
>Unpopular Opinion
SEAs aren't that bad, though I will concede that they have more schizos than average.

>>56183095
this isn't that unpopular, and not even on vt. this is the norm. it's easy to get the impression there are more unicorns than there really are because they're overwhelmingly the most vocal due to being the most mentally ill.
>>56190648
>>56190756
these are both right. i don't watch the men with any regularity but a good example to use is the bae barbie spitroast on bettel's channel
other than the weirdo vampire grampa being too drunk to give a shit what was happening it was completely innocuous and it seemed like they had a good time. there were some good bits. it didn't get creepy. i think it encapsulates holo's homocollabs quite well; the leash is too tight for them to do anything too niji-esque.

>>56190436
none of his answers were directly addressing any of my points besides saying "they're bad because i say so", why the fuck should i give them more thought? the original argument was "she's leaving her community behind", to which i provided a billion of counter-examples which he proceeded to say "no that doesn't count!!" to. what apologism are you babbling about?

>>56180273
>>56190756
A related unpopular opinion I share:
>HolostarsEN wouldn't be as hated, and might even be mildly liked /here/ if they were branded differently. It's Cover's fault that they don't really know what to do with them, which is true of both StarsJP and EN. It's unfortunate that they had to share the "Holo-" part of their name with the flagship, making comparison and association inevitable.

>>56181606
ESL SAMA

>>56191226
i don't think they'd be liked here regardless of branding because they're either boring or unlikeable people. they don't have the personality facets to either keep people on or /not/ keep people away.
but i say that because i agree that a branding change would lead to less anti-homo hate. not just here, but even places like leddit, which can't be openly anti-homo because of censorship but you do still see plenty of mass downvoting on pro-homo posts.
i dip into 2ch sometimes and they don't like their homos very much but they appreciate that their men are much better partitioned.

>>56191226
>HolostarsEN wouldn't be as hated, and might even be mildly liked /here/ if they were branded differently.
Branding is totally irrelevant. /vt/ would like Tempus if they never did intergender collabs(this is the most important part) and if none of the members were insufferable faggots.

>>56191633
>this is the most important part)
to you, because you are brain damaged, but not to the vast majority of people who watch vtubers, and not even among those who post here.
you are alone on the ocean.

>>56192120
Kek. You're a braindamaged minority, homosister. The Hololive audience wants CGDCT. It doesn't want men. Which is why the girls dominate in every metric and the boys fester in obscurity.

>>56191499
>>56191633
Maybe it's just my autism speaking, but I also think a name change away from "Holo-" would subconscious influence the Stars chuubas away from doing collabs with mainline Hololive. Right now, maybe they feel like they can do it no problem since "Well, technically we're Holos too", but if they were called something else, their thinking would be more along the lines of, "Yeah, Hololive is our sister company, but we're different and do our own thing.". In short, direction (or lack thereof) influences their collab and interaction choices.

>>56192468
>I also think a name change away from "Holo-" would subconscious influence the Stars chuubas away from doing collabs with mainline Hololive
I doubt it. Vesper joined so he could YABBA DABBA DOO the girls. Magni and Blue Faggot tried to leech Hololive for numbers. The only one I won't attribute bad motives to is Axel because I think he's just an idiot who didn't know what he was walking into. The only thing that could have stopped intergender collabs was an actual ban on them.

>>56192988
Come on now, you KNOW Vesper is too autistic to yabba dabba do anyone. Kronii and Calli were the ones taking advantage of a poor old man

>>56192988
>Vesper
you care about this vastly more than vesper does, which is the biggest complaint one can level on him: he doesn't care enough in general. the vesper collab meme on vt doesn't have any weight or affect on the outside world. it isn't real. he's just an older guy streaming games. he's ablative because he's jaded with age which is misinterpreted as being defensive when it comes up related to female collabs. he doesn't give a shit about what it means and doesn't (appear to) have bad intentions.
>Magni
is 100% an attention whore leech and his embracing his roommate in the way that he has makes this super obvious. indefensible.
>Regis
is much less concerned about leeching than you claim. i hate that i have to defend this, but it's just to setup the backhand, because his real goal is to use it as an activism platform, which is far, far worse. he's not a slow leech like streams-with-racists, he's a cancerous tumor.
>Axel
you nailed this one just like magni. axel is an acerbic, self-inflated manchild who never matured emotionally with age, but that's not a condemnation, it's just the truth. i don't think less of him because he's oblivious, rather than malicious.

>>56184681
Daily short streams > sporadic 6-8 hour "long" streams

>>56194072
adhd zoomer take. longer is more satisfying and actually allows you to emotionally invest in most games played. the only streamers that are better shorter are the braindead apex types because that's just audiovisual noise and it doesn't matter how long or short it is.

Kronii owes me sex

>>56194072
Short streams are better for numbers, but some kinds of content are only possible with long streams.

>>56180273
Only Bijou belongs in Hololive

>>56180474
Shiraken was fine before Noel jumped on board. She adds nothing to the dynamic, other than a corpo forced inclusion to make a 5 idol unit.

>>56180474
>>56196071
Shiraken was absolute kino before Noel got involved, and it's not necessarily because she's boring or anything, they all clearly get along super well and have tons of fun, but because Flare is absolutely autistic about only making Shiraken streams with games that allow all 5 to play together so they end up playing a lot of shit games now

>>56194261
it's a "I have a job" take. also stream length doesn't change the emotional investment for my oshi.

>>56192988
Nothing you said is true and just shit you parrot from schizos on this board.

>>56192468
They feel like they can do it BECAUSE THE GIRLS INVITED THEM FIRST. It has fucking nothing to do with the branding, none of the guys, JP or EN, approach or talk to ANY girls who don't talk to them first.

>>56180273
The proper use of kayfabe is occasionally referencing it for lighthearted humor and using it as a fallback for personal questions, the way most of HoloEN does it. Kayfabe should never go beyond that because it's always cringy and stupid, and any chuuba who lets kayfabe influence her personality is unwatchable

>>56197093
i, too, think the dogs are annoying.

If you're complaining about Twitch Vtubers without ever actually watching one live on Twitch, your opinion is invalid until you've fixed that. You can complain after, but you need to actually know what you're talking about[./spoiler]

>>56197093
I prefer someone with 90% kayfabe like Mayuzumi to the Holos "tehe what are you saying i'm an idol you know" only when it's fit them.

I want Mano Aloe back in Hololive and I think Delutaya has a bad design and rigging. I also HATE Cover for mishandling her entire situation.

I dislike both kson and the Chinese

Advent is a ticking time bomb.

>>56180644
BAU BAU

>>56180644
Hear, hear

>>56182910
Gura’s growth was still insanely fast around the time she announced her hiatus, if it was atleast 2 months it would’ve been fine but she took almost an entire year. Lots of chumbuds forgave her but some fans were fed up and seething daily. It’s worse that she admitted to reading comments regularly so she saw the outcry for her return and just ignored it.

Now her growth is slowed down considerably, still fastest out of Myth and council and it’s picking back up with her recent activity but her absence left a huge dent in EN as a whole. Whatever she had planned just wasn’t worth it.

>>56198891
she's a terrible fit for hololive and while i agree her rigging was great and cover jumped the gun, ultimately we're better off.
she's a dogshit, greedy vtuber and we have enough of those in the company already.

>>56199967
nobody is a "real fan" for characters that are two weeks old

>>56191226
They were well liked /here/ until the collab ban dropped early and Mori rushed to take all their first collabs.
The girls being retards about it didn't help either.
Looking back it feels like there was a big internal push from management to have them be accepted as "HoloproEN" until around Vesper's suspension when its presumed that "Omega" got fired and that initiative stopped. Ever since then Mori is basically the only reason mixed EN gender collabs even happen these days (excluding that one Bae collab).

>>56200563
But they are for twins who have done this for a long time

>>56193689
>Regis
Are people still seething over "gotta support the cause"?

>>56200636
So i can't criticise their fake accent or that they start too many games on the weekend or that their morning show are the worst of all of hololive. I still like them but i hope they improve and it's just their 3rd week in a new environment.

>>56200790
don't you have a rally to get to? surprised you can take time out of your busy schedule to be on an image board

I haven't considered any vtuber to be attractive since 1 year 3 months and 17 days ago

Gura's 3d model is shitty but her L2d is so low quality that it gets a pass. Her head is too big and her big cheeks make her look like she has Marlon Brando jowls. Her hoodie also clips into her armpits constantly.

>>56200977
i'll back you up on this one and say even her design is bad.
her eyes look like corpse eyeballs (which is even more obvious when she's 3d)
clothes and colors are really boring; her design has bad economy, color theory and proportion.
she's the closest thing i have to an oshi but her visual identity is all around dogshit.
except her painted fingernails.

>>56180273
I fucking DESPISE how the "meta" for vtubing is streaming and clips of streams.
Streams are cool, sure, but even for chuubas I like it's hard for me to watch a stream for more than 4 hours. Call me an ADHD zoomie all you want but I just get bored after a while, especially when the chuuba isn't that great at zatsu/chat banter.
Even worse is that most of them don't clip their own streams, especially so with Hololive. They could all make a KILLING if they just shortened their gameplay streams into, say, 15 minute or so videos.
But then that gets me into my next point of CLIPPERS FUCKING SUCKING HOLY SHIT. I, under no circumstances, want to watch your stupid 1 minute clip of someone saying something mildly sexual. Where are the clips where it's actually multiple minutes long and is catching highlights of a stream? HoloEN fucking broke the clipper "meta" by reducing it from translators trying to make Japanese streams more accessible to content farming.

I guess you can also blame all of this on everyone just copying Hololive, too. To any advice for people who wanna be vtubers: GET YOUR OWN FUCKING IDEAS. STOP COPYING HOLOLIVE YOU ARENT IN A PSEUDO-IDOL AGENCY. BE A FUCKING NORMAL STREAMER HOLY SHIT DUDE.

>>56200977
I'll go ahead and make the admittedly weak argument that her L2D has sovl to it. The rigging is bad but I see it as a charm point now. I can't excuse her 3D model though, her head is way too big as you said and the proportions all around just don't work. The Gumei collab where you could compare her model to Mumei's, who I think has a great 3D model, makes the subpar quality even more obvious

>>56201561
this. EN clippers are fucking dogshit. Supporting their oshi my ass, if they actually want to support them they would put effort into the clip instead of doing less than a minute of the same clickbait that 10 other clippers did
they're only do it for clout while giving no fuck about misrepresenting the person they're clipping. I respect timestamp-er than 99% of EN clippers

>>56182186
You’re assuming that they’re targeting native English speakers only. English is the global language, you can get a large chunk of Europe, SEA, and some of Latin America and South Asia (and generally the richer ones in those nations too). The main priority is that it’s in a language lots of people outside Japan actually understand.
Not enough native speakers give a shit like you do for that ever to change. It’s vtubing ffs, this hobby is filled with people who like foreign things and don’t give a shit.

>>56201561
I can’t bring myself to watch HoloEN anymore because that low-effort shit just crowds out the kind of content that’s useful—subtitled clips of Japanese vtubers. I know it’s not HoloEN’s fault, but it’s always left a bad taste in my mouth.
> GET YOUR OWN FUCKING IDEAS. YOU ARENT IN HOLOLIVE
The number of small corpos who think doing Minecraft magically brings in views…

Everything about vtuber and idol culture is retarded and I wish my oshi was a fleshstreamer

FWMC morning would be better if they tried to include content that appeals to the general EN audience. Their entire morning show seems to be focused on interacting with the Ruffians, as opposed to a more “AsaCoco approach”… which was aimed at the general Hololive viewer. Basically, they should just become FWMC news.

However, they did name it FWMC morning and not FWMC news… so if they want to keep it localized to their fanbase, then that’s perfectly fine. I will be watching anyways since they’re my EN oshi’s.

>>56182186
retard. Nerissa is american and FUWAMOCO are canadian. 3/5 at least are english first language.

>>56187315
>she did nothing wrong
>admits she did something wrong
well, which is it?

>>56204008
you're both right, but for 3 day vacation reasons we can't discuss why they sound so goofy speaking english.

>>56204533
reading a bait donation was what she addressed, not the content of the message. she didn't apologize for saying you aren't her friend because she didn't do anything wrong.
cope, seethe, whatever kids say these days

Sana wasn't a nepotism hire, she never needed it. Ina probably convinced her to apply but that's about it.

>>56181550
The real unpopular opinion

>>56182099
She scratches the post-ironic humour itch in my brain.
>haha all women are whores
>nah not really
>unless...?
You can also tell deep down, she's a good person and she's earnest. She's putting on an act but it's an act she wants to do, whereas other vtubers adopt their anime persona's to appeal to others, shondo is just acting how she wants to act IRL.

Mumei is so hot and sexy I love when she bawks like a chicken

>>56205761
nta but i want to say i desperately envy you. there's so much post-ironic in the current political climate and i find it unwatchable. shondo is a great example of this. she's completely insufferable. every attempt i've made to watch her is just constant psychic damage.
completely sincere: i wish i could even tolerate it let alone enjoy it like you.

>>56205903
You think too hard anon. Just be in the moment and laugh along with her.

>>56204831
She drew back the veil. That was a fuck up. Responding with a lecture to a bait superchat is a fuck up.
And more importantly, not denying the simplings are simps was another fuck up.

You can spin it that oh what a saint she is not giving her fans false hope, but it presumptuous of her assume to most of her fans see her that way (as a friend) and then to not deny they are simps? All this over a fucking bait supa? Major fuck up

>>56206130
no, it's that she's intolerable to listen to. i don't "think" watching vtubers, they're a talking head i put on a side monitor while i work i almost never give full attention to. she pierces that veil.

>>56206232
Is it her voice?

>>56196071
Noel is sweet. I dont think you understand that the main problem lies with MiComet upsetting the balance.

What I want to see more of are collabs where its "shiraken" but something like Noel/Polka or Miko/Noel or Flare/Suisei, just to break from the 5 players only games. That could work so much better.

>>56206262
not really. only thing about voices that triggers me is accent sometimes. some of the holo ID girls are a little annoying to listen to, for example. not a big deal.

I think they should hire someone that ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT ANIME CELL SHADING instead of this fake shit, THEN RIG THEM TO WORK OFF THEIR LIVE2D INSTEAD OF THIS WACKY ASS FUSION OF TWO BROKEN SYSTEMS.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

>>56201561
https://www.youtube.com/@YUUSHA04EN
This channel has the kind of content you're looking for. They do clip compilations of a certain theme with high production value editing.

>>56201561
A clipper is as good as they can be. Cheap clippers get the rope.

>>56206262
>>56206323 (me)
okay actually yes sometimes, now that i think about it. normally no, but when she starts a bit sometimes she overacts and her voice gets VERY annoying. like her fake crying is nails-on-chalkboard. but most of the time, no.

>>56181841
And probably not just once, too.

>>56182592
nigger she's been doing this for over five years

3D can be pretty nice
https://www.youtube.com/live/chjA7hYdQG4?feature=share&t=4463

>>56206400
you mean this https://youtu.be/fRX0OgfVQqw?t=22
?

Idk but I find this shit hilarious because it's meta-ironic commentary but she's also completely serious. Like the fucking layers of humour this girl can achieve is amazing rather than constant coom-bait or "HAHA SO LE RANDOM" like it's still 2009 that you get from most other chuubas.

>>56206584
you've ruined my evening thanks anon
to answer your question, yes that's a great example

>>56206638
Shame, anon. You're missing out but I hope you've found another oshi.

The unicorns were right all along.
Idol culture is a good thing

>>56206584
>>56206690
also idc about unicorn shit, in case the context of that clip makes it look like that plays a part. i actually agree with her about a lot, her opinions don't play into it.
and yeah i've got more talkings head to watch than i'll ever have time to watch them all, so i never really feel like i'm missing out when i get filtered. for the time being our vtuber cups runneth over. thanks for the thought, anon, and please continue to enjoy your cunnytuber with my blessing.

>>56206569
yeah and she had a lot more enthusiasm back then and was scarred to take off two weeks, now she regulary goes off radar. From time to time i watch her old vods and remember the good times.

>>56201561
anon, i will personally work to become a good clipper for your sake. 15+ minute stream highlights incoming, just have patience

>>56180273
shiori will graduate within the year

1. Glasses are shit and don't improve the design of any vtuber.
2.Fuwamoco are trying too hard with their voices. I don't mind the BAU BAU or the roleplaying, but Fuwawa is basically impossible to listen to with how high she pushes her voice. Mococo is better.
3. UNO and TTRPG homocollabs were great and genuinely hilarious.

>>56206884
teebeeehtch i don't know how anyone can compare early suipiss with "i'm not going to stream much so i can do more [everything that isn't streaming] and come out as if they're anything a like. people change, saying she's been the same for five years is both wrong and not an argument against the original criticism.
she just plain does not have the same emotional investment.

I unironically miss the scripted shorts 3D era of vtubing. Live2D just feels soulless nowadays with how stiff it is, especially if it's a full body shot and the chuuba is leaning and it just looks awkward.
VTubeStudio's hand-tracking seemed promising but I unfortunately don't think it'll see much adoption since it requires an additional webcam along to use alongside having to cut the actual hands up like a regular model to be rigged, but man do hand gestures alone go a long way in showcasing a bit more personality of a person.
There's a part of me that did wish 3D became the norm but even I recognize that Live2D on average does look better, and 3D still has the weird awkward mouth motion.
And then livestreaming being the new meta is unfortunate, because I do know many anons here much prefer it like this because it lends itself well to the whole parasocial thing. But if you're like me who don't treat chuubas as friend/GFE simulators, you remove the parasocial element and it really is low quality entertainment.

>>56180273
i actually like male vtubers i think they're entertaining and i do not get jealous when they collab with my favorite female vtubers

>>56207028
boy did i butcher this post. i promise you my only debuff is being canadian, i don't live in asia or europe. i will live with the shame.

>>56207079
they're cutting the wood for the rood as we speak, anon. do you prefer cedar or camphor?

>>56206884
Suisei is like the embodiment of what hololive was. The idol journey and seeing someone legitimately make it. I was a 2 year membr and stopped since the membership gives nothing and i just buy merch anyway. I'm glad she's successful and enjoy the times she does stream now, it's not like there aren't plenty of other options when she's not around.

>>56180273
Switching oshis is ok and nothing to feel bad about. Vtubers change and you find new ones, it isn't bad to change what you like and if your former oshi's content isn't as enjoyable anymore then fuck them, it's all a business/entertainment anyways.

>>56201561
I would say the "do it for your oshi" thing is understandable if your oshi is from a small corpo or 1-2view indie, since chances are no one else is clipping it, and a bit of clickbait can go a long way. But I agree that those guys clipping big chuubas and putting out lazy content add nothing of value and just saturate the space.

I hate the constant use of TTS in smaller corpo's streams.
It disrupts the flow of streams so much.

"nepotism" isn't really, it's called networking and it's a good skill to have. "Leeching" is just getting mad at girls who put in effort and is rarely used correctly. There are some leeches but they are exceedingly rare.

>>56204008
FWMC are, for all intents and purposes, ESL. I'm not a doxfag nor do I care their nationality or race. They sound ESL as the characters they portray in hololive and that's literally all that matters. I don't care if there's some secret knowledge that you or others know, some hidden video showing them speaking English with crystal clear intonation, it's completely irrelevant because the characters FWMC speak as if they are ESL.
So that brings us to a 4/5 ESL gen. Feels pretty fucking bad, but as >>56202321 said, they're not for me. Most likely Hololive is trying to shore up interests in other markets, which I can totally understand. It just feels like they're a bit misplaced at this point because previous gens were not of this composition. I would have preferred them making a completely new branch for something like this, Hololive GLOBAL or something that picked up talents from niche markets that they didn't want to create an entire gen for. If they did something like that people wouldn't have this mismatched set of expectations. But, I'm probably one of the only people who cared about something like this.

>>56209186
damn you had a point until you tried to paint bijou as esl because she's got a thai mom. her english is perfect, her mispronouncing shit is because she has no friends and doesn't watch much tv to hear shit out loud.

Live2D 2.0 was a mistake and 3.0 is an even bigger mistake
we need to return to the original haachama and fubuki

>>56206321
With this CEO? Lol no, maybe as an extremely rare thing.

>>56206202
...and other stories ESL nijifans tell themselves.

>>56180273
People who post bait (or what looks like bait) should be banned and have their messages deleted as quickly as possible.

>>56185097
Likes cock

By saying "ESL" you're just enabling a coping mechanism basically demonstrating your inability to counterargument your opponent in any other way.

We need JP7 now

It's not an unpopular opinion that live2D models look better, I think it's pretty universal actually and that's why they still use them even after having access to home 3D.

>>56216253
just learn english nigger

Suisei's singing, while great technically, is extremely bland and to me that makes her music super boring. Kanata, Polka, Marine or Okayu have much better voices

>>56180351
This VTuber (once it was coined at least) started with 3D and should've remained 3D

>>56180273
But what about when it comes to Ayame where the 3D is so much more superior to the 2D?
>>56220574
Remember back in the day when Suisei wasn't that great technically? I do think she lost some luster after the first album.

>>56220574
This is where the whole 'SOVL' shit comes into play. At some point when you're churning out songs non-stop and singing turns into the main thing you do instead of entertaining, it starts to feel overproduced and too mechanical.
Some of the fun of the whole idol thing is that you're supporting someone who you know has talent, who entertains in a multitude of ways, and tries their best. Watching the grow is a lot of the fun, and once they 'make it' to whatever their goal was, you feel happy, but the drive to continue watching them produce similar level content constantly starts to fade. Most people like stories of hidden gems for the same reason, it's fun to see someone who isn't polished work hard and make it. The only difference in this case is that we're watching it live for some of these girls and when they hit that triumphant monent, the credits don't roll.
I've recently cooled on Kiara quite a bit because all of the goals she set for herself, she's reached. She's still cute and I still love her, but this is an entertainment media, and if a chunk of my interest in her was supporting her to succeed in her dreams and she did it, a chunk of that passion/content is now gone.

I don't mind some or all of the events being prerecorded

I hate that FMWC are guaranteed to do more JP streams in the future because of how successful this current one happening right now is. I would love to oshi them and not miss a single stream but I hate watching a stream I dont understand, like being invited to a party only to be casted out as an outsider. No, I do not have time nor inclination to learn another language to accomodate them.

>>56221599
I wish some of them were live for the people who want to do live. Giving people more oppertunity to be there at the event hidden away and doing a live performance and actually reacting to the crowd. Kiara's Dokomi was more fun than most of the FES stuff, and I wish more girls had thay oppertunity if they wanted to take it.

Sankisei is absolute shit without Rushia. The five of them are what Sankisei is, every member is equally important and valued, and with one missing, it simply isn't the same. Everything they do "together" rings hollow.

Miori Celesta was always meant to be Shiori Novella, but Miori dipped out because she didn't want to be known as another nepo-hire

>>56201561
>reducing it from translators trying to make Japanese streams more accessible to content farming.
Well said

>>56184265
GFE is predatory and disgusting. The more blatantly someone pursues it more obviously fake it is.

>>56180273
I unironically believe VTubers are part of the cancer that's killing the 1st world nations. I unironically believe VTubers are sex debtor whores who get a pass from lonely cucks because "theys kyoot".

I enjoy tribalfagging

>>56225581
>GFE is predatory and disgusting
It's all GFE, anon. All of it. The akasupa readings with a fake voice, the ASMR, the long-winded zatsus about things just close enough to the RM to feign proximity but ultimately a bunch of hot air and altered facts.. It's all GFE in disguise. And that's why you feel jealousy when you realize they have actual men giving them actual dickings.

I think watame is a fucking dogshit vtube

It's not the homos that are bringing the girls down, it's fucking perms

>>56225799
>The akasupa readings with a fake voice, the ASMR, the long-winded zatsus about things just close enough to the RM to feign proximity but ultimately a bunch of hot air and altered facts
There are different levels of GFE, you're saying stuff that is more just parasocial manipulation, which is a different level of predatory that is lower than GFE. Though ASMR just being an excuse for doing lewd sexual shit is also extremely lazy, much like what most Ringfit streams are.
>And that's why you feel jealousy when you realize they have actual men giving them actual dickings.
Are you projecting perhaps? You seem to think I would ever actually spend a dime or invest in things like streams or videos? I barely even watch Holos, which is what you seem to be talking about. I know most have BFs and a few are even Married. Hell, the ones that are married are the ones that are smart. The only issue I'd have with that sort of thing is the added layer of hypocrisy it brings but at this point t it can be expected that the more a girl does GFE the more likely it is she will have a BF.

>>56226362
>Are you projecting perhaps?
You mean to say the extreme measures they attempt at obfuscating their relationships and astroturfing the idea that it's all just a bunch of incel trolls being jealous is all just the projecting of a single person? Are you really that retarded?

They sell intimacy to the audience, that comes with jealousy they try to avoid to keep the money coming. The retarded ones try to keep their cake and eat it too. This isn't exclusive to Hololive, it's ingrained into the industry of emotional prostitution of which VTubing is but one branch.

>>56225989
WHOA THERE ANON! We don't say the product is shit outloud, we use the homos as scapegoats and keep sending akasupas to support our lazy whores!

>>56180273
1. this board perception of idol culture is fucking skewed. Not interacting with opposite sex doesn't count as idol culture you retard. if you fucker truly care about idol cultures, you should be concerned whether your oshi has bf or not. since one of prominent ''policy'' in idol culture were not in relationship/dating.
2. the homos aren't the reason holoEN reclining, it was started since lockdown ended.
Covid era inflate the girl's number & this all happen to all streamers on the world.
3. numbernigger, shitposter, & dramanigger deserve to be roundhead'd for shitting up this board.
4. male vtuber is still part of this subculture & will keep staying no matter how you seethe at their existences. also, I find most anti male vtuber is cringe and reek of insecurity, I say this as someone who rarely watch male chuuba.
5. I absolutely hate retard who keep throwing buzzword and calling people names such as homobeggar, sisters, unicorns, nijinigger,etc to the point it lose its meaning, just because someone doesn't share same opinion like yours doesn't mean they're whatever boogeyman you think of.
6. Unicorns are inherently doxxfags & schizos. Jap hate unicorns & mock unicorns more intense than this boards/twitter ever

>>56227165
And a patatatak berlangabonga to you as well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMca8Uq7a94

>>56201561
SEA found out that youtube revenue is really fucking good for their third world country so every ESL jumped on being a low effort clip channel to make money. Just try watching any of the HoloEN clips with subtitles, half the time they’re wrong.
The long form clippers saw huge decrease in viewership and a lot of them just called it quits cause most people prefer a one minute clip of something taken out of context than actual content.

>>56180273
I don’t find Gura cute, funny or entertaining. Also her voice is annoying

>>56181100
that's the normal take fag get a worse take

>>56227068
>You mean to say the extreme measures they attempt at obfuscating their relationships and astroturfing the idea that it's all just a bunch of incel trolls being jealous is all just the projecting of a single person?
No, are you retarded? You were accusing me of jealousy over their two-faced nonsense. If you're just an ESL and did not mean to do so, as is becoming apparent, then you shouldn't have said "You".
Ire over GFE is is similar to ire over someone selling crack. As awful as they are the crack addict is still pitiable in some ways but the dealer is abhorrent.
Vtubing does not require emotional prostitution. I much prefer entertaining character videos that were more popular back in the old days to the scourge of vstreaming.

>>56227165
personally, i want each and every vtuber to find their lover (or be happy alone) and it's none of my business, but I feel that it should be kept a hermetic secret from the fans because it would sour the experience. all the sweet "i love you" and such moments would not even let imagination do its thing if the chuuba has already told the audience that she has a lover irl. some in this board would crucify me for even suggesting that a chuuba have a bf even in complete secrecy, but i'm not changing my mind. being alone isn't for everyone.

I watch fleshstreamers first and foremost. Vtubers are only good as background noises

>>56227841
same, I dont mind if my oshi has lover/married as long she's happy & keep it professional. Also people might hound me for this but most chuuba with less menhera tendency usually they're already in relationship (if they're single usually they already have healthy relationship with their family & friends).
also, I can see why PDA isn't everyone cup of tea but i don't think it's that dealbreaker if somebody mentioned they're in relationship or married as long they're just being casual about it & not make it as their entire personality (but they have to be indie not corpo for obvious reason). Not every vtubers have to be pseudo GFE 2bh

>>56221605
>No, I do not have time nor inclination to learn another language to accomodate them.
Then you don't love them. You don't deserve them as your oshi.

>>56229137
nobody should "love" a talking anime head, so that's a good thing, and whether or not you watch someone does not ever bring "deserve" into the conversation
you have an unchecked mental illness that you should speak to your doctor about it.

>>56229290
>pot calling the kettle black

mate, we're both in this thread, on this board, on this website, talking about fake anime girls.

I like vtubers and I regularly watch streams.

I think Fuwamoco are shit vtubers and anyone who enjoys their ESL babyspeak should reevaluate their life choices that led them to finding their streams entertaining

>>56184635
The most embarrassing cope post ITT, and that's saying something, simpling.

The problem with Cover's 3D is that it's largely shit. They have all that money yet they refuse to hire people or use technology for better facial tracking. There are no view indies with better facial tracking than anyone in a big corpo and it blows my mind that this is the reality we live in.

glasses look fucking stupid on vtubers

>>56181100
She has a spot in VSPO EN if she wants it, and I genuinely am not sure if she does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1t7scER-c4
frame up

The the reason why most people consider Vtubers cringe is because A they use this fake high pitch voice or B they lean hard into coombaiting or GFE. Onigiri is an actual cool Vtuber with a niche but now everything needs to be a sex joke or reference and that’s what the indie scene has turned into and so new viewers tune in see this coombaiting model talking about sex and it just make vtubers and their viewers look like sex pest

>>56227165
holy esl

>>56180757
Matsuri fell off I agree. Marine is "anime-whore" so it's 50/50. Choco is a whore but got wife qualities it's practically cheating

>>56237906
Choco would be a horrible wife, I never want her to get married for the sake of any future husband she might get.

>>56181550
I don't know if she DESERVES one, but she's entertaining enough that I'd give her one. I miss the banter with her genmates.

Hololive should use the IDs whenever they need to do a mandatory collab between EOP holos and JOP holos. Any praise will be directed at EN and JP and when things go south, ID could easily be the scapegoat

Sounds cruel on paper, but it's the most optimal tactic with low risk high reward. IDs own bubble is strong enough to handle it but pretty pathetic when it comes to grudge because of their short attention span while the hardcore fans won't care less and just simply support their oshi

>>56180644
I don't mind the twins gimmick, but I'm with you on everything else. I don't have anything against them, but that overly cutesy act is not for me. I realize they're far from the only ones doing it, but like you said it just feels so rehearsed with them and I can't understand half of what they fucking say. And the "bau bau" stuff feels really forced by both them and their fans.They've obviously got their audience so if it works go for it, but I personally am hoping they calm down with the act over time and fall into a more natural performance.

rumao the posts got funnier as i scrolled down

>>56180273
/vt/ should be a general-only board. I’m tired of the board speeding up and being filled with bait threads or inane shit every second when you niggers could keep that shit contained in one fucking thread

>>56240495
>/vt/ should be a general-only board.
Disgusting.

>>56237906
>got wife qualities
Her being a good cook means nothing when she wants you to live apart (unless it's to drive her around, then you're expected to be there).

This is not Reddit. Do not try to make subreddits here.

>>56208553
>"Leeching" is just getting mad at girls who put in effort and is rarely used correctly
I thought I was completely alone with this assessment, thank you anon. 99% of the time you can write off any reply that mentions leeching, it's used incorrectly constantly

Gura's 3D mode is godawful, her face and especially chin looks retarded and i hate streams where she uses it, she looks dumb too, not cute dumb but genetically fucked dumb, like those pugs or pitbulls or other fucked up looking dogs

>>56180273
The industry should drop live2d and develop better 3d technology. I can't believe how Ange is the only popular vtuber to use 3d with arm tracking and how it isn't more widespread despite how much more expressive one can be with it. Granted I haven't watched her in a long while so I don't know how well my argument holds up.

>>56180273
Myth 2D > Myth 3D

But Council 3D > Council 2D

>>56189614
Kiara's Knight costume doesn't make any sense for her, and also its bad. 0/2 and it should be shuttered

>>56250783
true
fauna's 3d tits are magnificent

>>56180273
Seisui, Keala, Aqua and maybe Ayame/Haachama are completely overrated and I'm tired of fans overall and idols themselves shrill these same members over and over even at the cost--in the idols case--of supporting gen mates.

Also cerebrating one type of achievement like Sora for being first idol in Hololive but ignoring other achievements like Marine, Kobo and Gura being first in their branches makes no sense to me.

>>56227165
cute cat

Doing handcam streams just breaks the immersion of vtubers being virtual.

>>56180273
I don't want my oshi to be sad and alone. I hope she has a boyfriend or husband who loves her as much as we all do and can be there for her in all the ways we can't. I just don't want to hear about it. And I don't think this makes me a cuck.

the end of the year culling of dead/inactive accounts will probably mean a significant drop in subscription numbers. if this is going to be the case, i think the fallout of true subscriber numbers could be a game changer/wakeup call. or a garbage fire.
Could it be that
Mori has less than 2.27m subscribers?
Kiara less than 1.48m?
Ina less than 1.54m?
Gura less than 4.35m?
Ame less than 1.75m?
Irys less than 956k?
fauna less than 773k?
kronii less than 895k?
mumei less than 906k?
bae less than 763k?

>>56256997
I genuinely worry about my oshi (Pekora) after hololive and I genuinely hope a good guy marries her. I think being a cat lady is a fate only deserving of thots and feminists.

>>56227165
>someone who rarely watch male chuuba.
so you do watch them? pff look at this homobeggar sister nijinigger that watches male vtubers.

>>56258028
they don't even deserve cats

>>56181550
Not even a worldwide dictator has the power required to give her a chance after messing up that bad
don't you think?

All vtubers are nothing but fap material.

>>56180928
Watame and Subaru should be the two primary members asked to first test 3D things out

>>56180273
I hate yuri and I hate how forced it is in hololive

>>56227165
ook ook eek ook

>>56263656
forced by hololive or forced by large portions of fanbases who simply want to see their sexual fantasies/preferences/orientations "performed" in front of them?

>>56182274
Only true to us chumbuds.
But having Ame and Kiara probably ties everything together way more nicely
While more controversial, Mori helps provide a contrast that help Gura's best qualities stand out even more
Also, I don't remember much about Ina.
My memory box of her is truly... inane

mori is not responsible for everything bad that has ever happened

>>56263793
either way I'm beyond tired of it, even when my oshi does it I roll my eyes

>>56180273
Vtubers lose their magic as soon as you chose an oshi

Vesper and Magni are not gonna get terminated because it's a really bad look for Cover. Not only they gave them new models right before their suspension of activities, but the news could tank Holostars EN forever, so they'll keep them in limbo.

>>56220574
i only agree with okayu being better than suisei of these

>>56257770
>Gura has less than 4.35m?
I hope she somehow has more when it’s over.
>Bae has less than 763k
I would be surprised if she has more than 400k

>>56264449
tempus tanked before debut. we're just seeing a zombie extension of EN continue to walk while dead.

>>56227165
based ESL

>>56264554
i personally think gura might actually be under 4mil, which would be a bombshell, because then she doesn't have a right to the 4th special milestone request.
i can see bae being somewhat north of 500k after the culling

>>56181719
She didn't staple her labia shut like that one ryona vtuber did.

I despise casual outfits. Idol or concert ones are fine, but why the fuck would I want to watch an Isekai Dragon girl dressed like some Becky from 7-eleven? It kills the fun part about roleplaying in vtubing.

>>56265745
Who roleplays or sticks to lore anymore in vtubing?

>>56229137
to oshi someone whose only been streaming for not even a month is idiocy imo. Time spent together helps deepen the bond, so i guess them doing this early is a good thing for me because I now realize I wont enjoy them nearly as much and I can just move to somebody else. Thats the beauty of having a lot of talents, the audience can pick the one they are most compatible with.

>>56180273
I don't like vtuber Karaokes and I dislike most Vtuber music. My oshi is IRyS but I watch her for her personality and frankly don't care about her singing that much.

I've found an angel 1view, Im conflicted were if I want to promote her or not.
I use to be watch only big streamers and the experience in comparison with a small one is so much different, like being able to actually engage with your oshi and other members in chat. But, if she doesn't have numbers I'm afraid she will eventually leave and feel like she is a failure (even though she didn't said anything like that).
What do you think anon?

I'm a homobphobe and whenever one of the talents yuribait I get extremely disgusted by them and watch someone else, so disappointed with Nerissa

>>56266283
>Irys
>personality

>>56267494
yes.

>>56192468
that's your schizo speaking, not your autism

>>56227165
The funny thing is that whenever unicorns say "___ is an idol" or imply that Hololive talents are idols or otherwise unicorn-friendly and accepted by them, the "other side" rushes in to spam doxx and shit from years ago to "prove them wrong" and own them

>>56202085
Gura had to wear a helmet camouflaged as her hair because she's unaware of her surroundings
pls andastand

>>56180390
thats popular

>>56180474
that costume is pure garbage
>>56180474
>>56196071
>>56196205
Noel actually improved Shiraken If you want to see an actual forced corpo group its that group with Marine, Lamy, Noel and Korone, it makes no fucking sense since only Marine and Lamy are friends there and its clear that both Noel and Korone hate Marine. Marine and Lamy are gigastacy riajuu while Noel and Korone are shy otaku.

>>56201202
then how the fuck did she become the greatest chuuba of all time?
she wielded that chara design like Cloud donning his buster sword
why can't more people be an idiot like her and live life just fine? why are we forced to be logical and cynical and unemotional?

>>56200977
>her big cheeks make her look like she has Marlon Brando jowls
she probably has them irl lol
it's cute
and cuteness is justice

>>56197093
>any chuuba who lets kayfabe influence her personality
This is interesting
Could you give some examples of who does this and who doesn't? Maybe make a spectrum with it from the least influenced to most influenced?

I think all 3D streams should be done close up with their butts to the camera like that one Roboco stream.
https://youtu.be/nsxWN7S8Ivo

>>56269463
I love Noel, I just think the Shiraken content after she joined has been kinda boring. Not even because their dynamics got fucked or anything they clearly still have a shitton of fun together, but it was much more fun to watch as well back then.

I think Hololive should also post or even stream content on their own website free of censorship. This would allow those like Choco, Mel and Aki who had to censor their content to stay monetized, a place to post or stream juicier content.

>>56244794
Putting it in this light, doesn't it kinda sound like altruism?
There's no true altruism because anyone who does it either expects something in return or doesn't believe what they do mattered/or is valuable
While there's also no true leeching because anyone who is leeched either thinks they'll get something out of it or doesn't believe they lose value from it

>>56264554
IRyS and Council won't get hit that hard. The only accounts getting culled are the ones that have been completely inactive for two years, and they've barely been around for two years. They haven't had time for their subs to die that quickly. Myth, on the other hand, has been around long enough that they could see significant drop off.

>>56220574
bet you love ado too anon

>>56180273
Chuubas like Pippa or Kronii that try to subvert Idol Culture actually end up reinforcing it.

>>56225855
Her greatest strength became her biggest vice.
Her emotional receptibility makes her the best remedy for broken hearts. But it informed her of what she should do for the rest of her career. Sadly that doesn't demand her becoming a stellar performer. It demands hard work and perseverance, both of which are Watame's strongest skills, but there is lax expectations when it comes to quality.

Ollie's design is absolute garbage (especially so as a design for an "idol Vtuber") and people who lust over her design (or, God forbid, over her alone) are either severely mentally ill or very signifanctly gay. Or both, of course.

>>56238827
ask other SEA countries. maybe singapore.
us indogs are too prideful to be resorted to just that and will riot. you know what happened to gothamchess right?

>>56267540
I envy you a little bit

>>56266658
How did this become a question analogous to weighing whether to propose to a crush or not?