/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56186944
Link the clip so we can find out if OP's a retard or if the clipper accurately represented what was being said

>>56186944
No, she also sucks Cuntnor's dick!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xstAzhf_8BU
Original link, but don’t give clicks to doomposter nigs

https://streamable.com/wtfz9q

YOUSA TINKEN IRONMOUSE GONNA DIE?

>Wahhhh I have debilitating health conditions even though I never provide any proof of them

Her daughter can probably just take over once she's old enough.

>>56186944
No, being Connor's side piece is.

The title is literally a joke about how clickbaiting clippers will react to her joking that shes gonna die. Please the clip isn't even a minute and a half this shouldn't be hard.

>>56187525
can you provide the group with medical records so we can know how retarded you are?

>>56186944
The moment I say anything one of the ironlung jannies are going to strike. It's insane that you can't criticize her on here.

>>56186944
>it's a "i saw a bait thumbnail on youtube" bait thread
should be ban-worthy

>>56188936
>it's insane that you can't break rule >>1 for chuubas you don't like

Ah sweet an Ironmouse thread. She was on an episode of the IDF's podcast recently and it was pretty interesting. Lots of discussion about her growing up with CVID. https://youtu.be/d_OuKhUXkOU

>>56187450
>get known for her so serious incurable condition
>make fun of it once she’s famous
What would you call this

>>56189265
A sense of humor?

>>56189053
You must be one of them, congrats on making the board one of the worst moderated I've ever been on.

>>56186944
she been dying for a decade now, she be fine.

>>56188936
Yeah cause you're a major asshole if talk bad about sick people, but I bet you go to hospitals daily and scream in cancer patients faces that their faking it right?

>>56189681
>if talk bad
Oh God, of course it's an ESL from SEA I'm guessing.

>>56189265
>once she’s famous
In the very stream where she "got known for her condition", outside of that one tearful clip she was already making light of it and trying to sugar coat it so people wouldn't think it's as serious as it is. Would you stop fucking lying?

>>56186944
I'm willing to bet good money that 20-30 years from now, I'll still see Iron claim to be dying soon, assuming vtubers are still somehow relevant by then

>>56189787
>esl attempting to deflect by calling someone else esl
tale as old as time

>>56189609
look up "chronic" and "terminal" illnesses you illiterate monkey

>>56189874
>I'll still see Iron claim to be dying soon
SHOW ME
ONE
INSTANCE
OF HER DOING THAT
JUST ONE
I'M BEGGING YOU ANON

>>56188936
You can only shit on Holo or Niji on this board. One of the tranny jannies here are on vwhorejos payroll.

PLEASE SOMEBODY WATCH THE CLIP

>>56190067
criticism vs posting private life information
very hard distinction for catalogniggers to wrap their peabrains around

>>56190067
that's right so watch your fucking mouth pleb

>>56190081
OP didn't provide a link for a reason. VShojo has some of the shittiest clippers ever which makes for easy bait threads if nobody bothers to look up the clip.

not one mouse anti ITT has managed to not sound like a blubbering retard so far, impressive

>>56186944
She is going to die, that's for sure, we are all going to

>>56190305
but you just got here so that streak is over with

>>56190304
Mouse had a bunch of good ones last year, most of them died and were replaced by these fags

>>56190482
you're calling me a smart mouse anti?

>>56190304
>Mouse and Connor playing Dark and Darker
>Mouse dies
>Tells Connor to take her stuff so it doesn't get lost
>Completely ordinary moment, not worth clipping at all
>Clipper:

>>56188936
it's because vshojo's legal team sent angry emails to 4chan legal
>>56189681
yeah no, if someone is a scummy person they don't get a pass, no matter how much indian cyber security teams abuse DMCA strikes

>>56190608

>>56190379
>pathetic fleshlings will all inevitably die
Kek imagine not being an AI

>>56190305
you are literally not allowed to criticize her here, legal headache, you can criticize her on twitter, but not here or youtube

For those wondering this is the reason behind the shitposting today

>>56190673
what has mousey done to personally offend you anon? did it happen in real life or in your head?

>>56190590
maybe, if you post your tits

>>56186944
yeah, 2 more weeks, right, ironrat?

>>56190729
>you are literally not allowed to criticize her here
Ironmouse is a gay retard, her "terminal disease" is actually just menstrual cramps, and she can suck my dick

>>56187525
>>56188866
Last time I linked to the doxx, I got a month vacation. Its still out there, fagaloons.

>>56190729
here, I'll do it for you even though I'm favorable to her
I think her doing subathons, plural, isn't something I can respect. Doing one was bad, doing multiple is sad. Even if she donates the proceed to the IDF. It reeks of ebegging/attention seeking behavior and negatively impacts her image and the image of her friends.
there you go. you'll only be in the right if this post ends up deleted. good luck!

>>56190673
I can't believe mouse raped your grandma and then poured sugar in your cars gas tank, that's awful anon

>>56190729
Have you not seen /vsj+/? People shit on her constantly there

>>56190863

>>56189053
But it's ok to talk about every other tuber like everyone does all day every day here

>>56186944

>>56190753
not related at all but I've had my share of bullshit with music copyright abusers back before youtube had an easy way to remove it, seeing someone abuse DMCA and act squeaky clean is disgusting behavior to me

>>56191083
talking about vtubers without breaking board rules is in fact allowed on this board yes

>>56190949
so you are retarded, good to know

>>56190949
Last time you proved you were a retard you only got a month? Maybe you should link it again and maybe if we’re lucky enough it’s permanent

>>56189924
look up "deception" and "reality" you delusional cuck.

>>56189053
this simp was born yesterday and doesn't remember the 50 gura anti threads we would get every day no less than one month ago

>>56190996
>donating to charity is cringe and only the worst kind of people do that
ogey

>>56190673
do you actually have any proof of that? you know what, don't bother answering, i'll answer for you: no the fuck you don't. you dreamed up some shit that didn't happen as a reason to hate someone who has a debilitating, life-threatening illness

>>56191155
for not streaming?
you mean, for something that "pertain's to a VTuber's streams and content"?
>>56191148
nothing you say can convince me you're actually this retarded, but here's that (You) you're after

>>56191108
2018-2019 ironmouse does not break board rules
We had a confirmation that this was a legal request

>>56191229
You can donate to a charity without doing a subathon.

>>56191265
anon it's actually super common knowledge that vshojo's cyber security team abuses copyright and sends you a spooky email that if you fight it they might sue you for damages exceeding $100k

>>56191108
haven't you eaten enough bait today rumina poster?

>>56191292
if a hololive chuuba carelessly doxxes herself live on stream only to later realize, delete the VOD and suppress info about it as much as possible, under your interpretations of board rules posting it here shouldn't be bannable since it's stream content?

>>56191353
kinda crazy that you're the only person who's aware of this "super common knowledge"

>>56190146
This, they seem to be unable to actually criticize her content or even the illness she openly talks about so just immediately reach below the belt like faggots.

Whatever people know they know, I'm not telling them to change their mind or pretend they don't. They can still hate her (I do in fact) but I'm not gonna reach outside her stream content to say why. It's easy actually, like she is does incredibly lazy sleep streams, plays reruns of streams etc to quite literally artificially boost stream hours to try to win some stupid "most watched streamers" contest and always be trying to force some kind of special celebration or some shit to have an excuse to just spam fucking garbage content nonstop. Connor is a thing and her endless leeching off him is fucking pathetic. Acts like a sanctimonious pure girl but we know she is really a catty shitty numberfag fucking tryhard shitter behind the scenes who feels entitled to try to force herself as the queen-matriarch of EN vtubing. Bitch we did not fucking vote for her and pretending she's that and abusing background connections with Twitch itself to shill her and shojo ain't gonna make it so. She's a fucking make a wish kid who pretends really hard she isn't because she has a permanent "yuo cand say dat she's SICK and could die ANY DAY and then you'd feel like shit you so evil :(((((" wall around her covering her ass from it.

All that I covered there did not touch on anything outside the streams. A lot of vshojo is immediately actually-hatable based off things that have said and done, even after two of the worst shitters left there is still more to go with froot and IM. There would be no "good vshojo" left if you booted all the shitters, there would just be a bunch of indies.

All I see here is clippers being their usual clickbaiting nigger selves and /vt/ falling for it

>>56190081
Fuck you clipnigger, I shall not.

>>56191284
you are beyond help, please kys and die, cuz your oshi won't be, cuck.

>>56191338
why does the subathon bother you so much?
makes no sense unless you're just looking for reasons to anti mouse

>>56191528
>It's easy actually, like she is does incredibly lazy sleep streams, plays reruns of streams etc to quite literally artificially boost stream hours to try to win some stupid "most watched streamers" contest
That's when a subathon happens. It's part of an event, not a mainstay of her channel but as I said earlier >>56190996, I otherwise agree it's shitty.

>>56191284
>least disingenuous mousecuck
I bet you also think the "content threads" claiming Gura was pregnant and an alcoholic are not also a violation of rule 1 right? But I shouldn't expect anything less from a faggot who watches someone else watch tv and occasionally comment about how many liters of connur's cum she's guzzled that day is """good entertainment""" end your life

>>56191574
>ESL
Ah, of course. What time is it in Jakarta?

>>56191490
you're just unaware, google it, you'll see people bitching about it

vshojo has been doing scummy shit for so long now that no one cares

>>56191422
she did not carelessly doxx herself, she used to talk about this shit all the time on stream and just went into detail in the interview
it only became an issue when she joined vshojo

>>56191689
>writing cuz instead of because is ESL
thanks for proving anon's point that you are an actual fucking retard. rope. now.

>>56191636
>>56191574
Can you argument like an adult? I can't read childspeak.

>>56190729
you can criticize her just fine
you can't doxx her tho
but I'm pretty sure that applies to every chuuba

>>56191730
>VShojo taking serious action against doxing
holy BASED

>>56191730
i googled it and you know what came up? absolutely jack-a-diddly shit. stop making things up

>>56191806
Answer the hypothetical, anon.
If that holo later decided something she shared on stream was private information, should it be bannable on /vt/?
>>56191809
>your oshi won't be die
i'm having a hard time deciding if your existence is more "funny" or "sad"

>>56191528
It sounds like you hate subathons since those complaints are pretty much exclusively limited to that period.

>>56189265
A coping mechanism?

>>56189874
>I'll still see Iron claim to be dying soon
You won't because she doesn't and never has

>>56190729
People can criticize Mouse here. /vsj+/ does it all the time, there are some real dedicated spergs over there.

What you're complaining about not being able to do isn't criticism.

>>56186944
I HATE SICK PEOPLE LOOK HOW MUCH OF A CHAD I AM!!!

>>56191912
>abusing DMCA is considered serious action
lmao
>>56191943
did you really think you wouldn't be called out?

>>56191636
>claiming Gura was an alcoholic
You can't possibly call yourself a fan of Gura and not know, anon.

>>56192314
>FLAMENCOTV

>>56191806
I bet you thinking leaking mengen content is bad

>>56191528
Jesus anon that was pretty brutal, christ lol. Not to deflect or "whatabout" since I'm neutral towards IM, but lots of vtubers are probably like this.
Man, I remember when I got into watching vtubers about a year before it hit big in the West and became mainstream. The honeymoon stage wore off and using common sense I kind of figured the type of women this career attracts are menheras, BPDs, grifters, shut-ins, outcasts, etc... In some ways that was part of the charm, but seeing newfag's whiteknight for vtubers like they could do no wrong was just painful. Now that their honeymoon stage is over and they can see the forest from the trees, it kind of balanced out. Now I feel like we went too far in the opposite direction. Anything can be a yab, and the kind of fan base this medium attacts is not unlike their streamer counterpart, equally crazy and maladjusted. LOL.

>>56192314
holy fuck you're so stupid its embarrassing

>>56191528
Bro, she slept like 4-5 hours max during her month long subathon and sometimes had people there talking while she was sleeping so that complaint sounds like you didn't even watch the thing

>>56191999
>If that holo later decided something she shared on stream was private information, should it be bannable on /vt/?
Mods here literally don't give a shit about you or the talents feelings, they care about getting emails in legal telling them to they will get sued for hosting something and causing a headache for hiro
Moot used to laugh at this shit

>>56192314

>>56192440
I meant per day, obviously

>>56192314
>Katzproductions
>FlamencoTV

>>56192314
somehow you actually have less than zero evidence now

>>56192389
>>56192420
>there is nothing if you google vshojo abusing DMCA!!!!
>shown proof there is
>I DONT LIKE THE SOURCE
this is why people don't like vshojo fans, fans of other companies call out shitty practices, just like vshojo knowingly allowed a scammer to phish indies without publicly reporting it

>>56191528
>Acts like a sanctimonious pure girl
Have you... ever watched Mouse?

>>56192633
No no anon you make a great point. If I use a dribbling retard as a source that agrees with me it means my argument has a basis in reality.

>>56192488
>>56192511
>>56192561
>source doesn't exist
>source exists
>well uh, source bad
shit company, shit fans

>>56192668
If antis actually watched the people they anti'd, they wouldn't be antis

>>56192729
>m-my source is good! look at him

>>56192446
PL information not being allowed is still actively enforced rule. I recently came across a doxx post for HoloEN shortly before it got deleted (I was here around Myth's debut but I didn't remember much of the day-1 doxxshit, not like I give a shit) and just to test, tried looking up the names on an archive. An overwhelming majority of posts were deleted. I could go pages after pages before seeing an undeleted post.
This seems to be enforced actively for Hololive, somewhat actively for Vshojo, and I don't know how much for Nijisanji and other VTubers (but I'd assume it's still highly enforced, maybe less-so for literal who chuubas).
So, back to the topic at hand, I'll repeat myself: could you give an answer to my question and explain your reasoning?

>>56192684
Nono, you said you googled it, you lied.
You are a lying piece of shit, just like the company you want to protect.

I don't care for your reasons, I don't care for your awful sense of morality.
This is why people dislike you, and dislike ironmouse, none of you are genuine people.
Fake people hiding behind layers of lies and indignation

>>56192633
>>56192729
>dramafag reporting the story of a schizo doxxfag
Great source retards

>>56192633
if it matters to you at all I consider myself quite pro-Vshojo and I don't know much about this DMCA affair but I find it appalling if it's as you say.

>>56192798
It's not, google go go nippon or twins in the archive
It's all emails here.
Personal requests.

It's not a /vt/ only issue, this exists on /b/, /v/, /soc/, anything where boards talk about people

>>56192909
Spoilers: it isn't

Katz was what Ant is trying to be right now but stupid enough to warrant legal action

>>56192909
FlamencoTV's the guy that was restreaming Mouse's stream over a year ago just to shit on her while she was live. He's ultra retarded and was outed as a pedophile.

>>56192729
if i'm looking for a source to cite in a geography paper i'm not gonna get it from the flat earth society

>>56192959
naruhodo

>>56192380
oh I know, just pointing out the hypocrisy of stating the claims "ironmouse isn't sick" and "gura is an alcoholic" are somehow different and then acting like a sanctimonious twat about it.

>>56192947
Alright, sure. Even if you're right on this point, now imagine a /vt/ where this rule is actively enforced equally across the board and answer the damn question.

>>56192909
They've been doing it for awhile, if you want to give a benefit of the doubt to the talents, it's just vshojo's cyber security team located in india.

>>56192633
>I typed a few words into google and got some kind of result
>look how right I am guys
>this is why I hate you people
kek this retard is golden

>>56191839
>>56191999
>I can't come up with an argument
>I love watching ironmouse watch tv
>I love self inserting as connur because he's a real man, unlike me :)
FTFY

>>56190067
Stop crying whining bitch.

>>56193085
>Alright, sure
He's completely right.

I see people link Henya with her PL all the time with absolutely no repercussion.

>>56193036
I'm sorry whatever threads you saw shittalked your oshi, but I didn't partake in it and wouldn't know anyone in /vsj+/ who would have. Two things can be bad at the same time.

>>56193189
wait henya has a pl? where, i wanna watch more of her

>>56192729
>shit company, shit fans
I think you need to reread that cover twitter post that states not to harsh the talents

>>56190750
nice try, sis! #cut4hex

>>56190750
Please explain to me like I'm an idiot how these two things are related

>>56193328
I actually respect the separation of PLs so I'm not gonna tell you.

What I will say is that her collab with Giri was not the first time.

>>56192856
>this is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black

>>56193212
Gura's not my oshi just an example, but
>don't criticize vtuber on 4chan
is absurd and any janny that conflates this with doxxing and harassment should be exiled to the leper islands

>>56193085
>imagine a fictional scenario where /vt/ isn't a containment board and where jannies aren't talent biased due to legal issues
How many mental gymnastics are we doing just so we can do this performative exercise where you say that girls don't want X thing to exist so it shouldn't?

I'm never going to agree to that because most of what is discussed on /vt/ is not what the talents want.
Half the coomer comments here would be taken down.
Most of the OC would be removed.
Numberfag threads would be taken down.

Stop this headcanon of yours, the only thing that matters is legal threats and having a protective TOS that 4chan uses to insulate itself.

>>56193432
>Collabed with Giri
>PL means she must have graduated
HOLY SHIT HENYA IS NINA KOSAKA? https://youtu.be/uP2w4ZWD0BA

>>56193327
>vshojo
>talents

>>56192856
you are literally lying right now. show me any, ANY piece of concrete information that even remotely implies any of the shit you spew is true. i will graciously concede if you post anything more concrete than baseless speculation

>>56191528
>It's easy actually, like she is does incredibly lazy sleep streams, plays reruns of streams etc to quite literally artificially boost stream hours to try to win some stupid "most watched streamers
It's for subathon, and she needs to sleep, what the fuck is she going to do? Stream her dreams?

>>56189861
What one tearful clip? is there a chair clip? or a there is bone mark for me because of covid and my doctor visist is 3 weeks late.

>>56193457
Only if you have a poor moral center, being a simp for bad women and corpos will do that to you.

Nobody watched the clip did they?

>>56187473
MEESA GIVE IRONMOUSIE LOTS OF BIG BOMBAD LOVE

>>56193702
agreed that why I don't watch holoshit

>>56193751
Nope.
That fucking faggot ass clipper needs to get nuked at some point, I'm tired of his ass.

>>56193534
You can't answer the actual question and it's very telling. Private life information is information about vtubers that chuubas actively try to suppress, and that's the key concept at the heart of rule >>1. Some things can cause the boundary between "public" and "private" information to change.
Amending my first post a little bit, maybe a more realistic scenario is chuuba knowingly shares something but doesn't realize it could be used to obtain private info about her, and only later suppresses it.
I'm simply asking you whether the rule's enforcement should consider those changes. And yes, also making it a Holo girl so you have a personal interest in the matter assuming you're a holofan. I'd like rules to be applied equally for everyone in my ideal /vt/. Don't you?

>>56193751
I will never give a clipnigger a view or anything adjacent to a view, even a mirror

>>56193751

>>56193909
None of that matters, the mods don't care about your addiction to kayfabe, they care about legal teams

Is she fucking dying or not?? You cant blame people for being curious when you make it the topic of discussion for half your streams runtime. buy an ad

>>56189053
>Endless coordinated shitpost threads about Gura spanning half a year
>I sleep
>One singular thread criticizing Mouse
>DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT RULE #1 ENJOY THE MONTH VACATION
Nothing to see here

>>56193681
Crazy thing is, in the future she actually could. Lots of results on Google for "AI visualizes dream", also know of this presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ

>145 posts
>37 ips

>>56194155
>when you make it the topic of discussion for half your streams runtime
She doesn't.

And anyone who does watch her talk about her condition is not wondering whether she's dying because she is and has always been very clear about it.

WATCH STREAMS

>>56187525
How exactly would someone even prove something like that? Every piece of evidence can be dismissed with claims of fakes, forgery or whatever. The only way to definitely prove it would be to have some fucking indepedent third party investigator (somehow not funded by ironmouse or one of her associates) to audit her.

>>56194155
>You cant blame people for being curious when you make it the topic of discussion for half your streams runtime
It's literally not though, she barely talks about it. You would know that if you actually watched her instead of being a threadreading faggot.

>>56194274
why would I want to watch some depressing bs stream where all she does is try to pitybait people? no thanks connor. buy an ad

>>56194155
don't worry
people who watch her stream know she isn't

>>56194063
>weaving in and out of talking about the argument when it's not convenient for Anon to do so

>>56194155
https://files.catbox.moe/n1uu9z.mp4

>>56194155
gotta bring the classic
tl;dr No
>b-but the clip said?!?
The clip is her mocking people using titles as that one, and using it for clicks. She in no point has mentioned her actually dying, she has mentioned that she would be closer to death's door if she didn't have the proper treatment and the COVID was really scary for her, but by the time she got it, OMICRON was around.

>>56194284
I mean this is a good enough bit of proof for anyone who's not schizo. >>56189256 You'd think the IDF would actively screen people they're choosing to represent them, and Mouse passed.

>>56194155
>You cant blame people for being curious when you make it the topic of discussion for half your streams runtime.
Please consult >>56189989 and read the replies.

>>56192729
>my source is other people who make the same baseless claims i do

uhuh

>>56194269
Are threads supposed to have actual discussion in them or just people leaving their thought's about OP's faggotry and promptly fucking off?

>>56194319
>why would I actually watching someone for myself and form my own opinions when I can let 4chan do it for me?
Your entire perception of Mouse is built on lies from catalog antis. It's actually fucking pathetic how much you let yourself be brainwashed.

>>56194404
You could easily claim that since she's raised a fuckton of money for them, they'd let her do just about anything as long as the money keeps coming in.

>>56194181
See >>56193212, my condolences.

boo hoo i'm "dying". now please donate to the Israeli Defense Force while i'm watching master chef on stream

>>56194475
>discussion
>replying on cooldown to everyone who doesn't inhale mouse's cock

>>56193751
Let me guess, she's doing a reaction video, 50/50 chance that she's reacting to connor

>>56194475
Ironmouse threads always go like this
>shitty numberfagging or "IS SHE DYING?"
>faggots respond to them for like a good amount of 3 posts
eventually the discussion goes into
>"she's a whore that's dying"
>"IRONLEECH"
>"hehe i'm gonna do a slick one, a joke you never have seen before" (banned)
>several faggots discuss one of the only fucking rules of /vt/ for hours.
>"she sleept ON STREAM, HOLD UP, SHE'S JUST BOOSTING HER NUMBERS"
and maybe some actual criticism.

>>56194503
Now ask yourself why a grifter faking her illness for money would bother giving so much of that money to charity and broadly raising awareness for plasma donations

And ask yourself why someone who has made as many friends as Mouse has never once had any genuine doubt cast on her illness, now 6 years into her streaming career

That's an awful long time to keep such a complicated lie running and an awful lot of people to keep convinced

For /vt/ antis to be right, she'd have to be one of the best liars on the planet.

>>56194269
ohhhhhh holofags what would you do without us?
we are the darth vader to your luke skywalker
the tom to your jerry, the mordor to your shire
you get the point, life would be pretty dull if we weren't around

>>56194916
This but all of those are the other way around.

>>56194503
I mean you could, but let's be honest. Have you heard of PI's or the IDF before? It's pretty unknown. Why the fuck would she find something like that with YEARS of saying it, only to get the recognition of the Foundation like 2 years ago as a spokeperson

>>56194916
>>56194952
I've never talked to a vshojofag outside of the rare ironmouse bait thread. you are not my vader, you are my jar jar binks. I come here to laugh at you every couple of weeks and then I go back to posting unhinged rrats about gura's period and then telling phasetrannies to kill themselves.

>>56195130
And yet here you are.

>>56194185
oh wow.
Unironically by what she has said of her dreams... it wouldn't be pretty

>>56195130
>and yet here you are
>in an ironmouse bait thread
I know twitch friends aren't the smartest bunch but I really thought they taught you to read in school. Don't worry, I'll wait 20 minutes for you to finish the other 5 arguments you are having with different anons right now.

>>56195249
>twitch friends aren't the smartest bunch
>responds to the wrong post

>>56195130
you're not even good enough to be my jar jar binks your way more of a laughing stock like Rey

>>56194838
>Now ask yourself why a grifter faking her illness for money would bother giving so much of that money to charity and broadly raising awareness for plasma donations
Because that's exactly what you would expect of a really good grifter.
>And ask yourself why someone who has made as many friends as Mouse has never once had any genuine doubt cast on her illness, now 6 years into her streaming career
Argumentum ad populum
>That's an awful long time to keep such a complicated lie running and an awful lot of people to keep convinced
Appeal to tradition.

Everything you said is either obvious or a fallacy. So I'll reiterate my initial point, there is absolute no evidence she could provide outside of a pure independent third party audit to prove her condition. I'm not pro or anti mouse, I don't care about her and don't watch her I was just making a point that calling her condition into question is just a nothingburger since it can never be proven.

>>56194969
Your just repeating logic fallacies like appeal to authority. Unless the IDF has released documents from a third party indenpdent investigator which prove her condition, there is no evidence that isn't simply a fallacy or speculation.

To set the record straight, I believe her. My girlfriend has a similar condition and is sick constantly and mouse's experiences mirror that of my girlfriend, but from a purely logic and evidence based standpoint, there's no proof other than circumstantial.

Man y’all take everything too serious

>>56195323
>pretends like his previous blunder doesn't exist
>ignores the fact that he can't read
>>56195345
>he watches the disney trilogy
anon you are making yourself look bad. anon stop before it's too late.

>>56195452
kek this guy thinks he's in the debate club

The only illness this rat has is how many models she fucking has.

>>56195592
>makes a retarded point
>gets called retarded
>"LOOK AT THIS GUY, HE CALLED ME RETARDED! WHAT A FUCKING NERD!"

Okay, retard.

>>56195496
>your way more of a laughing stock like Rey
LAUGHING STOCK LIKE REY!!!!!!!!
I AM MAKING FUN OF THE DISNEY TRILOGY RETARD, I AM TYPEING IN ALL CAP TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS TIME

>>56195722
I wasn't any of those anons you were replying to
I'm just laughing at your silly ass

>>56195452
I mean, quite honestly there is no logical reason to doubt Mouse's claims in the first place. There's never been an instance where she mixed up her story or details didn't track or anything like that.

People don't believe her simply because they don't like her, and need a reason to justify it.

>>56195672
True, but if I were in her position I'd probably do the same thing

>>56195731
>getting this mad
your posts always give me a good chuckle anon. I kinda wish I was a janny so I could see how many posts in this thread you have replied to in a seething rage. this one might even go in my cringe compilation.

>>56195452
I mean we used to hear her oxygen and the beeping of her medicine pump until she got a noise gate set up (although it can still be heard when she uses VR).
She is sometimes on very strong meds and we see the affect they have on her.
if you want more tangible evidence

>>56193751
Watch vshojo?
Roru

>>56195844
>I mean, quite honestly there is no logical reason to doubt Mouse's claims in the first place
The reason would be that people lie on the internet all the time for financial benefit.
>There's never been an instance where she mixed up her story or details didn't track or anything like that.
I agree but you could easily just say, "Wow, she's a really good grifter." Remeber anon, the best criminals are the ones who never got caught.

>>56195902
>I mean we used to hear her oxygen and the beeping of her medicine pump until she got a noise gate set up
Could easily just be SFX.
>She is sometimes on very strong meds and we see the affect they have on her.
Could be acting.

Again, I'm not saying I don't believe her and that there isn't circumstantial evidence. What I am saying is that there is no definitive proof.

>>56186944
She's also Connors wife.
Remember she's Connors wife, ya know that guy from trash talk? He takes her on virtual tour of Japan they're so wholesome together. They are married it's so cute and wholesome

>>56186944
OP here. Guess the thread was a success. See you faggots in 3 days.

>>56195882
you're this dumb for real? you misread my first post and interpreted it wrong so I explained it to you like a 5 year old and now you think I'm seething rage??? you legit might be the stupidest anon in this thread and that's saying something

>>56196046
>I agree but you could easily just say, "Wow, she's a really good grifter."
Which is baseless and, therefore, there is no logical reason to disbelieve her.

Y'know a few weeks ago I got raided into a small vtuber whose model is in a wheelchair, because she's also in a wheelchair IRL due to spastic quadriplegia.
Do I have any evidence for its validity? Not a bit. Do I have any reason to doubt her? Nope.

>>56194594
>Israeli Defense Force
had a hearty laugh considering the possibility that you're so retarded you think that's what IDF stands for. cheers

>>56196180
>I AM NOT MAD OKAY YOU FUCKING IDIOT I'M NOT MAD STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT
your oshi is a cottonmouthed peurto rican with fibromyalgia and the only good part of her streams are when her boytoy comes on and gives epic reviews of seasonal anime

>>56196137
I had a sensible chuckle. Good thread.

>>56196338
and now you write some incoherent dribble as a come back, your truly are the stupidest anon here

success breeds jealousy

>>56196046
Occam's razor
its either a massive conspiracy that she has put hundreds or thousands of hours planning researching and prepping and sticking to schedules OR she's sick.

>Again, I'm not saying I don't believe her
Then what's the point in commenting? all you are doing is acting antagonistic for no good reason. so you are just being a cunt
https://files.catbox.moe/ldkuqr.mp4

>>56196468
I wonder if you keep getting angrier and angrier will you reach critical mass? The seethe off this post alone could power a small city for days. Do your part anon and shed those tears for the sake of green energy!

>>56196306
>Which is baseless and, therefore, there is no logical reason to disbelieve her.
Just as baseless as believing her.
> Do I have any reason to doubt her? Nope.
Individuals don't exist in a vacuum anon. Simply because you've never interacted with this specific individual before doesn't mean you ignore all previous interactions with other individuals and just throw away any level of pattern matching and established knowledge that you have about human beings. Simply because you haven't experienced this girl lying, doesn't mean she's not lying.

>>56196046
Ok, there is no definitive proof. So what now? When she encourages people to donate plasma and to a immunodeficiency charity people are supposed to not donate because they have no solid proof of her illness and she could be a grifter and faking her illness?

>>56196046
>Remeber anon, the best criminals are the ones who never got caught
This is a surprising statement coming from someone who claims to be entirely logical. How could you know they're the best criminals if they never get caught? The entire concept of a "best" class of criminals falls apart if that's your definition, since by definition, there's no way to test and learn anything about the best criminals. What if among the set of criminals that never got caught, 90% acted like complete retards while committing their crimes and either got lucky or no one cared enough to find them? You can't prove that the best criminal has actually gotten away with a noteworthy crime, since you've made that person an unknowable. This has almost no relation to the topic of the thread but it bothered me so much I had to reply.

>>56196595
Fun fact. You can hear her oxygen concentrator in that clip.

>>56196653
kekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekek
try harder retard I'm having a good laugh at your expense, I bet the more I call you stupid the more you will reply

>>56196533
(Me) breeds mousey

>>56196595
>its either a massive conspiracy that she has put hundreds or thousands of hours planning researching and prepping and sticking to schedules OR she's sick.
Sure. There's still no proof of either.

>Then what's the point in commenting?
My point is there is no point if you read my initial post. You're the retarded nigger being antagonistic by trying to proove a point that is un-proveable.

>>56196786
> So what now?
So anon can stop asking for proof of her medical condition because there is no proof that could satisfy that claim.
> When she encourages people to donate plasma and to a immunodeficiency charity people are supposed to not donate because they have no solid proof of her illness and she could be a grifter and faking her illness?
Strawman.

Either she has a physical illness or she has a mental illness if she's still acting after all this time

>>56196967
>Sure. There's still no proof of either.
Not the anon you're replying to but you don't agree with the concept of Occam's Razor?

>>56196907
Anon I don't need to do anything because you will reply to me regardless. Like you are doing right now. Like you have been doing for the past hour. Like you have been doing with about 10 other anons because the ironmouse defense force on this board is only around 3 simps strong.

>>56197089
>Not the anon you're replying to but you don't agree with the concept of Occam's Razor?
Occam's razor is not proof in of itself. It's totally plausible that yes mouse did sink thousands of hours into one of the most complex grifts in internet history. Is it likely? No but it is still plausible and without proof of either side outside of cirumstantial, there is no way you definitively state she is telling the truth.

>>56197129
Didn't the mousefags of this board power an active Mousey general during the last subathon? Anyone remember the IP counts?

Respect the hustle

Haven't you learned? Who cares if she's faking or not, that's just being devotes to sympathy farming.

>>56197129
Those 3 simps? Me and my three cellphones that I bought from my salary of the IDF.

>>56197249
Barely 20, mostly just updates and bumping it

>>56197283
I honestly have not seen one instance of Mouse talking about her condition as something serious since that one stream from like 3 years ago now. Her talking about it at all is rare too in my experience.

>>56197249
>this board is full of mousefags!!!
>but the only one that dares to come out of their cozy general is this one autistic guy who can't read and really really likes rey from star wars. no not the good trilogy the woke one.
grim

>>56197291
I fucking knew anon was an Immune Deficiency Foundation sleeper agent. gdi this whole thread's been compromised since the start.

>>56197355
she's just started a sponsored genshin impact segment right now, she's been streaming for 10 hours now lol

>>56197129
like clockwork you replied, stupid
But it's been fun I gotta go do IRL stuff now so this is it for me, maybe I'll see your retarded ass in the next bait thread, remember to stay stupid and reply to everything like I know you will

>>56189265
coping

>>56197409
Are you being genuine anon? I can't see how anyone who's been looking at the thread for the past hour would think there isn't at least a handful of pro-mouse IPs here. Lots of instances of timestamps being less than a minute apart.
Not sure why I'm entertaining this since samefagging arguments never, ever go anywhere.

>>56197225
You would be also implying that Ironmouse did research into a barely known condition at the time and has been talking about it, since 2011, back when she was just a Twitter user on Kpop communities and not even a content creator. And has kept the grifting for over 12 years, not changing the story. Well, I don't know man

>>56186944
Always has been.
The amazing part is how long she keeps that scam going with people buying into it

>>56197487
>the first one to reply to my post is a double stupid!
>you replied to my post! that means you are triple stupid!!!
anon I'm sorry for calling you retarded. you are actually quadruple retarded.

>>56186944
She should do a death countdown stream.

>>56197129
>>56197291
>>56197409
look at all the (you's)
anon is eating good tonight lol

>>56197569
improbable is still possible

>>56196967
But anons act like there is proof she is faking all the time and all you are doing is helping the idiocy.
Their is no point in considering she is faking unless there was actual proof I understand being sceptical of things online but you have to approach it with a little common sense because lots of things online don't have proof

>>56197581
I wish the anons who post replies like this one would stick around for just a few minutes at least and try to defend their retardation. Would be fun.

>>56197569
Anon, just abandon, this guy will not back down from his stance unless Mouse publishes her entire medical history.

>>56196845
The best criminals never get caught. It doesn't matter if by design or luck. A criminal's intention is to commit crime and not get caught. If a criminal by sheer dumb luck manages to steal a trillion dollars and never get caught through luck, they're still a good criminal because what matters is not the act or the method but the result.
> You can't prove that the best criminal has actually gotten away with a noteworthy crime, since you've made that person an unknowable
This is stupid. You can have evidence of a crime without catching someone for said crime. If you noticed all your money was gone, someone has stolen it. Doesn't mean you caught them.

>>56197569
Yes. Just pretending like it's an insane idea doesn't make it not plausible.

>>56197409
Proof of the number being >= 3
If timestamps doesn't meet your evidentiary standards I don't know what will.

>>56197683
>>56197700
>>56197710

>>56197636
she will probably do it eventually

>>56197591
see that's not fun your trying to claim a victory after I said I was leaving, at least be a good sport about it kek, but for real I got to go

>>56197739
What if I commit (subjectively and theoretically) one of the biggest crimes ever and I wanted to get caught?

>>56197548
>anon look the IP went up by 1 in the last 30 posts of arguing!
sorry to break it to you pal but this entire thread has just been you and one other guy screeching at me posting on my 2 alts. you've been fooled and it's kinda mean, I do feel bad for it, but you've said some stuff in earnest that's really funny. I'm actually surprised you are still talking to me because I'm just saying shit I generated in chat gpt, but at this point I feel like we've formed a bond. We're a little bit closer than we were when you called me a faggot and I called you a retard. Love wins.

>>56190949
How can you get a month vacation when resetting an IP only takes 5 minutes?

>>56197830
I didn't notice the 1min difference for the top and bottom ones. Retracting this

>>56197902
cheers

>>56196967
You sound like you think you are intelligent in the same way that flat earthers think they are smarter than most. "I'm smart because I don't just accept something that is overwhelming accepted as being true"

>>56197683
>But anons act like there is proof she is faking all the time and all you are doing is helping the idiocy.
That's your problem then, I don't care what others do.

>>56197900
Depends. Was it your intention?

>>56197865
>for real I've got to go
>closes tab, opens second tab
>hello mouse NATION it's ya girl from tha west side iron mouseeeee coming at ya live from my sanitary bubble that prevents even a single germ from intruding on my airspace *wheeze* *oxygen compressor starts beeping erratically* *heart monitor flatlines*
>now THIS is good entertainment

>>56198145
You sound like someone who can't read because you would already know that I believe mouse. My point is an epistemological one.

>>56197225
And it's also technically plausible that the universe contains an infinite amount of infinitely small sentient squirrels that are actually responsible for everything that happens in the universe. They're so small, none of our instruments can perceive them as of now.

Stupid formal logic only gets you so far. Occam's Razor is not proof in itself, but it's a pragmatic tool often used when a topic requires actual real world thinking or talking, which obviously you seem to rarely do. It's pratically almost always impossible to state something as a "definite" truth in the real world.

As of now, there is absolutely no pratical evidence that Iron Mouse is lying about anything, and we have every reason to believe it's true. It might be a grift, but that's meaningless outside of a purely formal context. When people decide what is true irl, they obviously believe what is pratically more sensible. Doing the opposite is nonsense.

>>56198213
>epistemology
is gay and stupid, might as well consider solipsism as a serious proposition. it's an interesting topic but by far one of the least practical or useful ones. can't fault you for playing devil's advocate though, that's always fun.

>>56186944
Quick
Ask connor to pump his semen to ironmouse to extend her life

>>56198286
there is no real proof iron mouse exists
can you actually prove it huh?
checkmate

>>56198286
I agree with everything you said. I don't understand what your argument is. You seem to just be upset I've insulted your oshi by stating that there is the possibility she's a massive grifting cunt.

>>56198387
>the philosophy of knowledge is gay and stupid
ah why didn't you just say so

>>56198426
>mfw anon talks about a VTuber as though they exist
>mfw anon thinks he exists

>>56198393
Sorry, too busy wasting his well-earned welshbucks on this

>>56198461
epistemology can't prove the Earth exist, it can't prove the thread you're writing in exists, it can barely manage to prove you exist. why give a shit?

>>56197830
>replying to the wrong anon
>deleted
okay, now that was epic

>>56198607
pobody's nerfect

>>56198576
It can prove you're a homosexual though.

>>56198213
My point still stands.

>>56198461
Only answer I'll give you.
I do not care about Iron Mouse.
I care about the fact that you are probably a first year major in philosophy acting as if anything you say or know has any value in the current context of this discussion.
The kind of bullshit you're spewing out reeks of someone trying to put in anything he learned in any discussion just to appear smart or bait anons into a very obvious misunderstanding of your point.

>>56198876
>I care about the fact that you are probably a first year major in philosophy acting as if anything you say or know has any value in the current context of this discussion.
Electrical Engineering masters, but sure.
>The kind of bullshit you're spewing out reeks of someone trying to put in anything he learned in any discussion just to appear smart or bait anons into a very obvious misunderstanding of your point.
More or less. It's astounding it took you this long.

>>56199011
>Electrical Engineering masters
not that anon, called you a faggot before but congrats on that! hope it's going well. applying for mine at the moment (or rather, using this thread to avoid doing that)

>>56199113
DO NOT DO CONTROL SYSTEMS
>also rf sucks

>>56199140
I'm in software eng so I probably won't. Sorry, I wasn't clear lol

>>56189265
a lie?

>>56199011
>More or less. It's astounding it took you this long.
I'll refer you back to this
https://files.catbox.moe/ldkuqr.mp4

People don't like people that ACT smarter than most mainly because its usually not as true as you think and most smart people have learnt to not be a know-it-all and its clear you are on the "peak of stupidity" part of the Dunning-Kruger effect

>>56199320
are you the same anon back to bait some more? make it creative at least

>>56199391
NTA but please use more punctuation

>>56199418
As a general rule of thumb, avoid arguing with an anon until you can get something genuine out of them, like what their oshi is or what streams they last watched.

>>56199391
anon you posted the wrong clip--here's the superior ironmouse clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWfInypWKzI

>>56199495
Fair point

>>56189265
Grifter

iron mouse fans dont post like anyone else on vt and should die for it and also should suck my cock because theyre all gay. also her singing sucks

>>56200284
what I need you to understand is that around 40% of all the posts you'll ever read on /vt/ were made by me. most of the posting for and against mouse were also me in this thread.

>>56200639
I kneel

>>56199418
it was my first post itt
dilate, tranny
all vtubers lie and she's also grifting

>>56200827
read the thread a bit if you're actually interested in the truth, I can point you to a few good posts if you want.

>>56186944
would she really lie to her precious famoly?

this thread summarized: you know you're on the winning side of an argument when you're forced to start arguing that nothing is inherently provable

>>56196748
>Simply because you haven't experienced this girl lying, doesn't mean she's not lying.
And just because someone else did lie, doesn't mean that the next person surely will.

>>56195452
So you're disingenuous and arguing in bad faith, got it, all I needed to know :)

>>56201193
hamburger hamburger hamburger

>>56203691
holoraibu san-kisei no Usada Pekora-peko!

>279 replies
>58 posters
Vshojo's defence force activated, lol

>>56204453
we love farming (you's) and have been well fed

>>56195452
occam's razor

>>56204453
i decided to give the baiters precisely what they wanted today and had a moderate amount of fun doing it
>>56204605 no need to thank me

>>56186944
Not sure why jannies delete information Ironmouse has willingly expressed to the public years prior and is only now regretting now that she's famous and wealthy. That's not doxxing, just maintaining the facts that she consented to handing out. Her daughter is probably an adult by now.

>>56204680
Oh hey, can you give an answer to this >>56191422 (later revised in >>56193909 but same general idea)

>>56204680
it was because of irl stalking which your trying to encourage for some weird fucked up reason

>>56186944
She's been doing this for over 6 years now, how does anyone still believe she's actually dying?

>>56206913
you just don't recover from cvid, retard

>>56206913
she has never said she is dying

>>56206913
read >>56194399

>>56186944
She's still alive? How?

>>56210558
and you're still retarded