/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>56159464
So am I but this level of positivity isn't allowed on /vt/. Go fuck yourself.

>>56159464
>deserve

I still can’t believe that the two literal whos that kept being shilled on the catalog last year made it into Hololive

>>56159551
Yes. They respect idol culture, are well versed in otaku media and genuinely love their fans. If anyone in EN deserves to succeed it’s them

They're too good for HoloEN. Yagoo should just shutter that shithole branch like he did with CN and transfer the twins and IRyS over to the main branch.

>>56159975
>If anyone in EN deserves to succeed it’s them
And also Kiara

>>56159464
What about the other 2views who didn't have the luck?

>>56159975
And also Pomu.

>>56159464
Yeah, they’re great

If only they did it with women voices and not this Shondo bullshit that is just awful to listen to for any length of time. Can't even understand wtf they're saying 99% of the time. Speak. Normally.

>>56161295
Kiara skips her friends' birthday party to strangle homeless people on camera for clout. She doesn't deserve shit.

>>56161221
You will never be japanese

>>56159614
Thats kinda how it works sometimes, they were 2views that nobody knew about until Holo decided to shine a spotlight on them, a lot of people who get into Holo were previously nobodies

>>56162486
>>56162582
BAU BAU

>>56159464
I've been so incredible happy watching them.

I wish they had the fanbase they deserve too

>>56163087
True, they’re fun but it seems like a bunch of JP elitists latched onto them for whatever reason.

I like that they're playing actual characters to such an extreme degree that it's filtering other members within Hololive.

>>56163489
Go back

>>56162741
those are the best to take
less likely to have an ego and more likely to play ball

>>56163711
This isn’t your JP hugbox fag

>>56162486
Bau Bau

>>56159464
True JP feeling translated for ENtard which is too good for their intelligence level

Remember the monke wish anon-tachi, you get this phenomenal and outstandingly good chuuba, but the downside is you need to share it to JP too (which is cheap price to pay)

>>56163818
You will never fit in here. Go back

>>56163818
Yes it is

>>56159464
I thought Fauna gave me happiness. But I've not smiled this much during vtuber streams since 2020. They're really excellent.

>>56159464

>>56163489
>>56163818
God forbid that all we ever wanted from the English branch of a Japanese vtuber company was "JP vtubers but English" instead of whores who don't care about the hobby

>>56164295
This.
If you’re going to become a vtuber then uphold the vtubing culture, otherwise just become a typical twitch streamer

>>56164295
Then go watch JP, they haven’t gone anywhere.

>>56161295
kiara is european

>>56162741
>a lot of people who get into Holo were previously nobodies
Maybe some (not all) of the members of earlier JP and ID gens. Almost all members of the gens after these already had extremely successful and established careers outside of hololive.

>>56164366
>uphold the vtubing culture
What does this even mean? There is no homogenous vtuber culture that everyone agrees on.

>>56163711
you go back, your kind is unwanted, they love their EN senpai and there is literally nothing you can do about it.

>>56164430
Typical male collab enjoyer

Cucksterner

>>56164295
this is the truth. only thing that matters is that dogs are JP experience for EOPs

>>56164812
>dogs are JP experience for EOPs
no they aren't
No JP or EN vtuber in Hololive puts on an act they way they do
It's your made-up idea of "the JP experience"

>>56159464
Yeah, me.

>>56164621
If you don’t get it you shouldn’t be here
>>56164758
>they love their EN senpai
I never said they didn’t, however unlike their EN senpai they take vtubing seriously and aren’t just doing it to exploit simps

>>56165019
>unlike their EN senpai they take vtubing seriously and aren’t just doing it to exploit simps
lmao

>>56164871
really? they are very unique from EN standpoint

>>56159464
Beryl...

>>56165019
>If you don’t get it you shouldn’t be here
>no argument
I accept your concession

>>56165083
Yes really, go fucking watch JP, they all just act like regular people with avatars, at least in Hololive

>>56164871
You’re oversimplifying it to just kayfabe, but there is a general JP-like aspect (like JP-mannerisms, voice, language, kayfabe) that all come together, that most EN streamers aren’t familiar with or able to produce well, which Fuwamoco produce very well. It sets them apart. Like no one looks at Kronii and Fuwamoco, and assumes their JP-mannerisms are identical. It’s not the same.

>>56164871
Luna.

>>56165019
you're deluded if you think that

>>56159464
I love them (fuwa) so much...

BAU BAU BAU BAU BAU

>>56165165
No, you're a fucking retard
They're massive fucking weeaboos. But they aren't providing "the JP experience". The JP experience is actually like the EN experience, they're basically just regular streamers with anime avatars

>>56165184
Luna acts like a regular person and she just puts on a baby voice. She doesn't act like a baby

>>56162486
#cut4hex

>>56164788
https://www.youtube.com/live/Zu9deccDcEM?feature=share

>>56165292
>to me Kronii and Fuwamoco represent the same level of JP for the viewer
You’re dishonest, or retarded. Take your pick.

>>56165019
>le simp
couldn't even keep the mask up huh

>>56165150
>I accept your concession

>>56165292
Of course sis!
#cut4hex

>>56165292
So you're saying they are better than the JP experience? They offer the ideal of the jp experience. Which means they are even more special

>>56165421
>Posts basedjack
I already accepted your concession.

>>56165019
>however unlike their EN senpai they take vtubing seriously and aren’t just doing it to exploit simps
Anon. Everybody in Hololive does it to "exploit simps". It's literally a fucking job. Some may go about it more respectfully than others and some may outright enjoy it more than others, but that doesn't mean they're not all doing it for the cash it brings.

>>56165397
where the fuck did I say that
what is "level of JP"
FuwaMoco are massive fucking weeaboos and idolfags (real idols not whatever idiot Hololive fans have defined "idol" to mean) but they aren't acting like Japanese vtubers

>>56165511
Keep outing yourself as a r*dditor, faggot

>>56165544
There’s a difference between vtubers who love their fans and vtubers who only view their fans as paypigs. One demands money, the other is given it because they’ve earned it

>>56165292
How the hell is luna acting like a regular person. Do you even watch her streams or collabs? Her whole shtick is being a spoilt princess. Of course behind the scenes, she turns out to be a caring functional person.

>>56165756
>There’s a difference between vtubers who love their fans and vtubers who only view their fans as paypigs
And that has nothing to do with how Japanese they act

>>56165836
Didn't the JP get caught calling the listeners ATMs?

>>56165580
>what is "level of JP"
I tried to explain it here so you can understand better: >>56165165

I know you’re an anti though, because you are suggesting they’re just “babies” here: >>56165292

There's nothing wrong with reddit...

>>56159464
I'm just curious what they sound like off stream. Because I legitimately have a hard time understanding them.
Did the go go nippon girls also have very thick accents?

>>56165836
> And that has nothing to do with how Japanese they act
Okay, and? I didn’t mention them “acting Japanese.” Take your meds

>>56165935
Earlier GGN streams are a good indication of how they sound irl

>>56165908
>because you are suggesting they’re just “babies” here
learn you read you clown, Luna's character is being a baby, why the fuck am I arguing about vtubers with people who don't even watch them
They lean very hard into their established characters, and they're massive weeaboos, but the vast majority of Japanese vtubers do not lean hard into their characters, so it's not really "Japanese style vtubing", that's my point

>at some point they will have 3D and concerts

remember to stay alive until then anon(s)
you wouldn't want to die before seeing them move around in 3D yeah?

>>56166053
read the reply chain

>>56166111
Huh still sounds pretty ESL but not as bad as Fuwamoco

>>56166143
By saying she doesn’t act like a baby, you seemed to be implying that you think Fuwamoco does.
>the vast majority of Japanese vtubers do not lean hard into their characters
I explained how it’s not just kayfabe (which you never actually seem to address) and that is simply a part of the picture since EN doesn’t go into it hard at all.
You keep getting stuck on only kayfabe, while it’s only part of a whole picture.

we'll see how long it lasts

Why do people always turn to a random gen 3/4 member when trying to cope that vtubing was always like X or Y. Its like saying that everyone in EN should try to be like Noel and if they arent titcows they arent real vtubers.

>>56166378
>you seemed to be implying that you think Fuwamoco does.
Where the fuck did you pull this from, Fuwamoco's characters aren't baby characters
I said that they're massive weeaboos yes, their 30 minute segment is like some Japanese idol show, I'm just saying they don't act like Japanese vtubers

>>56161295
Kiara's strike comes with her inability to sacrifice shitty Western media like the new LotR show or Handmaid's Tale. I don't need her to cream herself over whatever the new hotness is, but when's the last tine she reminisced about one of the old anime she loves vs her ability to recall every episode of Golden Girls. The Netflix rot kills me.

>>56162565
>strangle homeless people on camera for clout
uuuuh, fucking based

>>56166587
You never really addressed any of my main points, like how it’s not just kayfabe.

>>56162486
>this Shondo bullshit
Imagine the collab.

>>56166587
Korone constantly talks about western flicks. She cannot go a single stream without referencing at least one 80s action movie character that she is attracted to.

>>56166689
Opps, this^ was meant for this person: >>56166514

>>56165165
>general JP-like aspect (like JP-mannerisms, voice, language, kayfabe) that all come together, that most EN streamers aren’t familiar with
It's almost like they're EN and not JP or something. Also you're gonna have to be more specific here because all of this is super vague, seems to just boil down to acting japanese or acting anime(whatever that means).

>>56166689
I just said they they love Japan and they do an idol segment

>>56166875
>more toward JP-mannerisms, voice, language, kayfabe, makes them more EN-like.
This is what you’re saying, Your brain is completely broken.
>they’re acting japanese
I will simply take that, because it would suggest they’re closer to that side than Kronii for example, and you may then begin to be able to see contrast now.

>>56162565
What the hell are you talking about?

>>56166754
Korone got me to watch some shitty movies, not gonna lie. Still love her though.

>>56165165
>but there is a general JP-like aspect (like JP-mannerisms, voice, language, kayfabe) that all come together
and shiori is the closest to imitating that. unless you dont actually watch most jps and just assume that they just all constantly behave like the average pekora or marine clip, high frequency chattering interspersed by screaming?

>>56167279
There's a million Japanese vtubers just like Kronii in Japanese

>>56167279
>EN acts like EN and not JP
I really don't know what you were expecting

>>56159464
i love them so much it feels like i've known them for years can't believe it only has been 2 weeks

>>56165812
>Do you even watch her streams or collabs?
nijisister does not even watch her own organs why the fuck do you expect she would watch holos?

>>56167424
>Millions of Japanese VTubers show the same type of mannerisms, voice, language, kayfabe, as the EN streamer Kronii
List those millions. Also, no.

>>56167546
Nobody who watches Luna thinks she has "strong kayfabe"

>>56167648
Miilions was an exaggeration, it's more like hundreds, possibly thousands
If you want to see some go watch Nijisanji

>>56167656
sure sis! #cut4hex

>>56167738
what?

>>56167734
If you want to switch from millions, to hundreds, then list a few hundred JP VTubers that are identical to Kronii in mannerisms, voice, and everything.

>>56167738
>#cut4hex
the fuck is that

>>56167415
>and shiori is the closest to imitating that. unless you dont actually watch most jps and just assume that they just all constantly behave like the average pekora or marine clip, high frequency chattering interspersed by screaming?

Are you joking? Anyway, this is what A-Chan has to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0TegvOaal8&t=117s

>>56167957
You're moving the goalposts to a very strange location

>>56168068
I didn’t move anything. If you’re going to suggest it, you must prove it.

>>56168260
When I say "just like Kronii" I mean that they don't really put on a character and just actl ike their real life selves which I thought was the implication seeing that's what we're talking about
Now suddenly we're talking about literal identical clones of Kronii

>>56168347
>I mean that they don't really put on a character
How many times have I said not to oversimplify everything to just kayfabe? You are welcome to factor it in, sure, but not make it the only factor at play here.

>>56168011
Yeah cause flat chest jokes are a such a unique JP thing. A-Chan just shilling everyone as is her job.

>>56168519
what are the other factors?

>>56168011
From that video:
>as you saw, Fuwamoco know how to troll others in the JP way. It feels new, right? Before now, I don’t think there has been this type of member amount the EN rank.
Interesting.

>>56167957
>All JP chuubas totally act like HoloJP and could never act similar to EN
There are JP vtubers outside of Hololive, leave your bubble or stop acting like you hold some great knowledge of the JP vtuber industry.

>>56168739
Yeah, interesting how all these "JP experience" experts have to resort to translated clips for information.

>>56168756
The conversation is how Kronii is similar to Fuwamoco in degree of displayed JP-mannerisms, voice, language, kayfabe, etc. I’m suggesting that I can see clear contrast between them.

>>56169031
>JP-mannerisms, voice, language
they speak English

>>56168997
>have to resort to giving clips to back them up
If you cannot deny what is in that clip, that itself is enough.

>>56166751
cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNbGAVA-Rls
shondo would absolutely spill her spaghetti again like with the neuro collab but she'll be in onee-san heaven

>>56169079
I’m not suggesting they don’t speak English. Goddamn, is this the best they have to send us? I want good debate, but you guys are dumb as shit.

>>56168626
She specifically single them out during the whole episode. Not shiori. Not bijou. Not nerissa. Anon was saying shiori is closest to imitating the JP-like aspect. Thats just stupid.

>>56169267
You literally said "language"
What are you suggesting

>>56168997
better yet, clipping the extremely calm and collected a-chan to describe how fwmc mannerisms are totally like jp.

>>56169267
You’re missing the point, why would an English streamer have Japanese mannerisms?

>>56169304
Do you see Kronii speaking Japanese on the same level as the twins? Try harder.

>>56169146
With all due respect to A-Chan, "you have something in common with A-Chan and it's not the glasses" is reddit post level "trolling". Don't see how it's "the JP way".

>>56169444
what argument are you even trying to make

>>56169304
The language part relates to speaking Japanese only at times, and doing an entire stream in Japanese soon. However, that isn’t the only factor for a more JP-experience. Like, can you see any contrast at all between the example of Kronii and Fuwamoco, and why one seems more JP-like than the other? In mannerisms and everything. Or does everything appear identical to you? Can you at least understand how others are able to see this contrast?

>>56164812
No, they're EOP experience for EOP. They barely know enough Japanese to get by and don't act or talk like Japanese chuubas. But, if you want to convince yourself that you got the real deal like your anime dub is great quality then go ahead.

>>56169302
Anon-chama, she's singling out their japanese-language skit for having the cadence and grammar of a native japanese speaker rather than a foreigner struggling with the language. she is not saying 'wow, out of the EN speakers, they carry an EN stream with the mannerisms of JP chuubas'.

>>56169302
Well, she had to praise the moeblob NPCs for something.
Thing is there's no general JP aspect, JP vtubers are as varied as EN ones

>>56169657
>Thing is there's no general JP aspect
The general JP vs EN differences, relating to culture, mannerisms, voice, language, kayfabe, and not any one thing on its own, is what people are talking about here. I refuse to believe people cannot understand or see any differences.

>>56169565
>don't act or talk like Japanese chuubas
The whole premise of this is dumb anyways and is entirely based on Hololive. Good luck trying to find some unifying conclusion on how JP chuubas act when most people here are only knowledgable about a handful of vtubers from a single company.

>>56169555
nta but
>can you see any contrast at all between the example of Kronii and Fuwamoco
Yes. Same as between Lui and Luna
>one seems more JP-like than the other
No. That's your EOP imagination

>>56164182
Mmmm.......

Pettanko and natural pussy........

>>56169975
I can see now that you’re trolling me. Because even if we did break it down or oversimplify it to only one thing like language ability, you would still have to concede to me.

>>56163489
They're great, but ruffians have quickly become the worst fanbase in all of hololive. FuwaMoco would be incredibly disappointed in their disgusting behavior.

>>56170223
Bau Bau

>>56159464
They’re falling off it seems

>>56170223
I feel like if the way they act keeps escalating then it's all leading up to getting a lecture in 6 months or so, and they'll still cry about how they broke their pledge instead of considering maybe they should've stopped relentlessly shitting on their friends and branchmates when they want to get along with everyone.

>>56167992
some underaged girls were posting on xitter their hands with name " Hex " cut on it

>>56170223
I really don’t know why theres this need for EN to be JP, they’re not JP. EN can be its own thing and same the same thing goes for JP, anybody who wants to watch JP vtubers in Holo should know where to find them.
>>56170329
I never really considered it but that does seem to be the most likely yab. The whole pledge sets a pretty high bar and autistic fans get set off by literally anything. If enough people break containment I could see them bringing it up and it being taken as insulting their fans or some shit.

Someone post the sync smug face, that one kills me, it's so good

Seems ironic weebs aren't filtered. They suddenly became fwmc fans despite fwmcs geninue Japanese otakuism and try to westernise/americanise fwmc. Fuck.

>>56170223
>but ruffians have quickly become the worst fanbase in all of hololive
pretty sure shiori's fans that say
>who cares if she doesn't like hololive, I'm supporting shiori
are the worst fanbase

>>56164016
I'm already used to that

>>56172886
>who cares if she doesn't like hololive, I'm supporting shiori
Maybe I don’t browse bait threads enough but i’ve never seen anyone actually say this. Also Shiori hates Hololive now, since when?

>>56173481
people were making threads about normalfags reacting to shiori failing every question in the hololive quiz, having no oshi, not referring to any of the girls as senpai and stating she felt nothing on getting accepted into the company

>>56167734
of fucking course it was a nijisister this entire fucking time
no I will not watch your dying branch

>>56170068
ngl reading that entire comment chain gave me minor brain damage - how the hell did you manage to stay sane while arguing with that retard

I don't want a vacation, but I'll just say that the fact that Kiara and the dogs ended up in the same workplace just goes to show how truly small this world can be...

>>56159464
I'm happy for them but I don't like how ruffians constantly feel the need to put down or shit on their genmates to try to prop them up. If they're that good then there should be no need to do that.

>>56174103
NTA but Niji is just an example, go watch VSPO, smaller JP corpos or indies and you’ll find that the culture isn’t identical across all of JP vtubing. Most anons have a very limited perspective on JP vtubing because they only watch Holo and nobody has the time to delve deep into all of JP vtubing. Trying to argue that theres some definitive “JP experience” is retarded.

>>56161221
>A literal chink hafu in HoloJP

>>56172886
and i've seen both shiroi fans and fwmc fans shit on the rest of advent to make them look better
i dunno man, it really doesn't feel like shiori fans and fwmc fans are that different from each other and maybe that's why fwmc fans hate shiori fans so much; because shiori fans remind them of themselves

>>56174631
while I agree with you generally (Vsingers I watch like Hachi or Noir dont really play a character) you have to remember that this is a holo board so when people talk about the JP experience they are almost guaranteed to mean the holo JP experience on which account I wholeheartedly agree with that anon - watching fuwamoco feels just like watching JP holos, a quality most EN holos seem to lack.

BAUBAU

>>56167343
Sometimes I think /vt/ users drop acid or other drugs

>>56171364
Fuck off, cancer. Go watch your fleshstreamers.

>>56174366
>how the hell did you manage to stay sane while arguing with that retard
I actually find it entertaining. Maybe I’m fucked up.

>>56159464
>deserve

proof?

>>56166754
back to the future is a good fucking movie, cats is actual dog shite

>>56174853
any fandom that loves hololive and the senpai is way better than the fandom that does not care about hololive and only value the singular talent

>>56181196
Go watch JP

>>56173636
I guess Shiori will be the new Ame, with the kind of fans that specifically gosling for her, only care about her and don't really give a fuck about the rest of Hololive, because she apparently is one of a kind or something.
>b-but Ame loves Hololive!
Yeah, so much that she never bothered to improve her Japanese or learn ONE (1) HoloJP song without mistakes. All her love of Hololive comes down to thirsting over Stars' outfits, spinning a wheel to decide which Holo senpai gets called kyut today and doing a half-assed Holonews show which is... huh, already dead?

>>56187438
I think people like Ame more than Shiori?

>>56184874
Considering ruffians seem to anti anyone who doesn't provide the "JP experience", Shiori having a fanbase thats completely indifferent to Hololive is somehow better, assuming thats Shiori's fanbase in the first place.

I love fuwa fuwa
I love moco moco

>>56162565
the hero we deserve

>>56184874
No, you're not any better; you're even worse because you claim to love Hololive and the senpai but then cope like this to justify shitting on the other Advent members (Rissa and Bijou). No amount of copium will make you better than the ones you condemn because you're doing the exact same thing they are, but at least Novelites aren't pretending to be something they aren't.

>>56189457
And they love each other

>>56165292
actual retard, nijisis, or pc shill

>>56159464
i wish they found success without the BAU BAU BAU BAU and assorted inorganic dog sound vocal ticks every 15 seconds. they're grown-ass adults, they can do the anime avatar gig without being retarded about it. characters, not caricatures.

>>56192864
Bau Bau
And this: >>56163911

>>56164812
this is a dogshit take, no pun intended. the jp experience is being a regular ass streamer; tossing -peko or -degozaru onto sentences isn't the 100% locked in teletubby experience these two Actual Adult Humans are doing. people are trying to explain to you that leaving reality's drama at the door doesn't mean livestreaming as a cartoon character.

>>56170223
>>56172886
your attempts to stoke fanbase wars are too obvious. pick some new fanbases instead of alternating between ruffians and novellites all the time, maybe jailbirds v hoomans or pebbles v saplings for a change.

>>56193313
>Even reading the thread is too difficult
Grim

>>56164182
SNIIIFFFFFFFF

>>56193494
>Uhhh trust me, it's somewhere in the thread, you just haven't looked hard enough
suuuure it is ;)

>>56193313
sounds like you got called out as one of the two fanbases and you need to deflect. which one are you, so we can dismantle your mental illness for what it is? gonna guess you're into the obnoxious dogs based on the way you type, but don't let me speak for you.

>>56161221
>>56163554
>>56164295
>>56164366
>>56165019
>>56165756
>>56181196
>>56193676
I think you misunderstand where the fanbase war comes from.

>>56194041
DD actually, kys.
>>56194395
half of them are people going on the defensive but you conveniently left out the posts antagonizing them, kys too

>>56194674
>conveniently left out the posts antagonizing them
>somehow missed that showing the retarded ruffian anti posts was the point
They get antagonized for constantly peddling holo vs holo tribalfagging, if they don’t want to be mocked then they can stop bitching about everyone that doesn’t offer “muh JP experience” and go back to HoloJP.

>>56180073
Nigga it's not called use drop acid. Drop is a verb, one drops acid. It's called that because sometimes its a liquid and you drop one drop on your hand and lick it off

>>56195424
>again trying to force fanbase wars
at least you went for EN v JP this time instead of ruffian v novellites. not sure why wanting something different is such a crime to you that you want to get them out of the fanbase for it, unless you just want to reduce the amount of holofans...

>>56196154
Yes i do want fans who anti the other members to go somewhere else, I don’t know why this is controversial, I figured a supposed DD would get that.

>>56196777
>attack fans
>they defend themselves
>omg fuck off antis
maybe you should leave then?

>>56197117
>lol fuck off
>Don’t you see? HoloEN is a bunch of twitch whores who hate their fans and and don’t take their jobs seriously and are only here to farm their paypigs unlike chad JP chuubas.
>S-s-stop attacking them!!!!
Lmao ok

>>56192864
You have 9 other HoloENs that think vtubing is just an excuse to not put on make up, fuck off and watch them.

>>56159464
BAU BAU

>>56198110
>you must like literally every EN
not that i can engage with your argument seeing as you didn't make one but seeing as i can engage with at least this logical fallacy i thought i should do at least that. hope you feel included.

>>56197736
only two of the posts you quoted were like that, meanwhile...
>>56162486
>>56163087
>>56163489
>>56163818
I'd post more but I'd be here all day, also not particularly interested in furthering your fanbase war narrative.

>>56162565
>>56167343
>>56180073
>*draws a lottery ticket* "Kiara"
>*spins a wheel* "skipped her friend's birthday party"
>*retrieves a ball from a manitee* "to strangle homeless people"
"Perfect, I have my rrat, now let's post it on /vt/"

>>56165812
You clearly haven't watched her collab streams in the past 2 years

>>56187438
The entire 2nd half of your post is blatant falsities except the holonews part

>>56162565
Kiara starred in Bumfights?????

>>56162565
AI-made post.

>>56198405
that how i imagine it, except its with a group of monkeys.

What success? They're ENs with mid-tier numbers. Still a shit ton of money though.

>i knew them before you
foad

>>56199745
How much money do they actually see though?

>YouTube takes 30%
>Cover takes 60% of the remainder
>Dogs are left with 28%
Minus whatever expenses that Cover doesn't pay for.

>>56199745
>They're ENs with mid-tier numbers
>mid-tier numbers
>mid-tier
anon, have you ever followed a streamer at any point during your life? do you have any idea what it means for a streamer to get even a third of their numbers? are you really so new you don't know how long it can take for a streamer starting from scratch to get even half of their subscribers?

>>56199960
I knew Shiori before her Hololive debut as well that's why I don't watch her.

>>56200060
Bunch if people did. Part of why she has vocal antis I guess.

>>56200045
Okay, but then you can say the same about every girl accepted into Holo

>>56199982
Still a shit ton of money though.

>>56200355
When they start merch, that'll be the big pay day. Streaming itself probably doesn't bring in nearly as much.

>>56200229
Yeah you can, its almost like just about every hololive member is very successful

>>56200229
Yes, that's the point. Hololive is instant success, of magnitude that's on the hands of the talent but success nonetheless.

People like making fun of le blue dorito brand, but it's true. It doesn't mean that holo talents are carried by the brand, rather it means hololive has the marketing and reach to expose their talents to a colossal audience instantly. Being talented =/= numbers, because there's no point in being the world's most entertaining streamer if no one knows you exist (see: fuwamoco's PL.)

But yes all holo talents are very successful as streamers, some more than others but successful nonetheless.

>>56200498
I'm glad you finally admit that Vesper is talented and successful.

>>56200574
>vesper
>hololive

>>56200633
You said Holo talents that includes Vesper Noir of Holo tempus

>>56200574
NTA but unironically he kinda was, he was usually a 4view which is generally a pretty safe spot to be in, some of the other stars im not so sure about though

>>56200700
lol

STOP MAKING US 2VIEW AND VTWITTER SEETHE, FUCK YOU HOLOLIVE

>>56159464
What gets left out of the story of their multiple auditions is that they said they were discouraged by many people and told to quit by those they trusted. It's convenient for people to talk about them like they deserve it or that they're obviously more talented than anyone else. Tunes change retroactively with a Hololive debut. That's all this really tells us.

>>56200910
...fuwawa?

>>56199982
You bought their voice packs though didn't you ruffian?

>>56200910
Or, it tells us that their perseverance paid off and they deserve to reap the rewards of that.

>>56200910
>Likeable streamers have 2 faced people around them
>This is somehow their fault
You're an actual imbecile

>>56164182
BUILT for average sized ojisan cock.

>>56200910
>Tunes change retroactively with a Hololive debut
If the point you were trying to make is that people did not treat them well until they got the blue dorito then I kinda agree. People shit on them a lot here because of the false idea that if a vtuber is 2view then it must mean they suck. Thats just my generous interpretation because i’m not entirely sure what you were implying here.

>>56200456
I am going to buy out their stock of pero plushes and no one can stop me

>>56200498
Shiori's subs have been increasing even as she has been on hiatus. The brand is your initial success as a Holo talent. It will account for the majority of your apparent success, probably about 60-80% of your success. But it eventually caps out months after debut. Being a successful streaming is also pretty mid for the majority of streamers, and you have to rely on being successful at other things. For Twitch streamers that often means sponsorships or onlyfans, but for chuubas that means non-streaming content like songs and art. Nobody really cares about your retrospective analysis if it doesn't have any predictive power. That's why factoring in the blue dorito to estimate obligatory support unrelated to talent activities actually makes sense, because it explains a lot and helps to make good predictions.

>>56198405
>Believing that nijicucks have a system for generating rrats when they don't even have a system to decide which chad gets to pound their oshi tonight
Anonchama...

>>56201519
Most people don't treat anyone well until they want them.

>>56159464
i'm really happy. i thought i would be sad because i can't interact with them like before, but instead i'm glad they can make their dreams come true

>>56162486
holy homosexual

>>56165150
>no argument
>I accept your concession
Why do ESLs love to parrot the hell out of these two phrases? Do you not know any more words?

>>56195558
Dumb retard. But thanks for outing yourself like that, only proves that anon right.

>>56200498
They have no marketing, they are carried by the name of the brand alone.

>>56159464
>finally
It's only been 15 days since they debuted.

>>56205064
...it's literally not called drop acid, that guy is right. it's just acid. what are you even mad about, new ip-chama?

>>56205210
Are you being retarded on purpose or are you just a natural?

>>56205379
Read again what he wrote you absolute retard. Acid fried your brain completely.

>>56165095
She's next.

>>56205210
And they're already super successful.

>>56205566
"reread what was said" is not an argument about acid vs drop acid. confront what was asked of you, don't deflect.
and now we've reached the last word impasse

>>56204738
What was ESL about that post?

>>56205773
What the hell are you on about? Read what the anon who used it for the first time actually wrote. I hate junkies so much it's unreal.

you couldve watched them before they got the blue dorito tramp stamp

>>56159464
I'm gonna sound jaded as fuck, but: nobody "deserves" anything and they just got lucky that someone from Cover liked the idea of hiring sisters so they would both be on at the same time. They still had to audition like 5 times, maybe more, as they said. They did it it english and japanese, together and separately. That's not really "making it" or anything, they genuinely got lucky someone watching the auditions was a different person than those that rejected them before. It's the same as with any other job, it's all completely RNG and whether you get the job or not is entirely dependent on who the asshole looking at your resume is and what mood they're in during that particular day. That's all.

>>56159464
I wish they had the fanbase they deserve too

Sometimes they'll just randomly BAU BAU at chat and I'll look at chat and have no idea what they're reacting to.

>>56170329
>it's all leading up to getting a lecture in 6 months
Oh, fuck me, this is actually going to happen and then this place will be even more unusable for months.
I feel stupid for not having thought of that.

>>56206231
I did

>>56170329
>>56171364
>>56210829
They didn't make such careless mistakes interacting with fans back in the day - these are really delusional concerns.

>>56170223
How many are actual ruffians and how many are shit stirrers trying to enable holo vs holo

>>56211026
Fuwawa's sub count is about to surpass Mococo's, umad mocofags?

>>56170223
>the "ruffians" shitposting on /vt/ represent their fanbase
kek

>>56162565
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

>>56211112
being mococo is suffering

>>56170223
>>56170329
>>56210829
>Acting like they don't know how to deal with fanbases and that every fanbase isn't like this with bad apples
They WILL always love us and there's nothing you can do about it and you WILL forever seethe about it

can't do twin paizuri if one of them is flat

>>56213154
You WILL fondle mococo's tits every day to make them grow, right?

Why are phasefags, nijifags, mythfags, councilfags like this?

>>56159975
>They respect idol culture
Ignorance is a bliss

>>56213362
I mean that just makes sense, the nervous system is stretched over a larger area with big tits, when they're flat it's condensed. I believe it

>>56213450
They do, you have absolutely nothing to prove the opposite

>>56210852
Yeah but you can't say that for at least 460k of their 480k subs. You could also watch and support the next HoloEN4 that you'll love today just as they start to think about auditioning. As a talent that's going to mess with your head unless they're sociopaths.

>>56170223
>"ruffians please be kind to everyone and please smile every day and be supportive to all the community and also we struggled with antis too"
>ruffians proceed to anti everyone, cause trouble, and declare that were always the best retroactively

>>56166587
She's the typical German millenial female linguistics student, even down to the japanese obsession, I swear in germany in university I've met like at least half a dozen women who are almost exactly the same as kiara

>>56159975
It's weird because I was told by reliable sources that catering to unicorns and being nice to your fans was the worst thing a vtuber could ever do ever. Yet somehow they're super popular. Very peculiar isn't it?

>>56194041
>obnoxious dogs
how could you hate on them? They're very nice

>>56165544
Dude just rephrased what the first person said and presented it as adding to the discussion. You must've been that kid in class.

>chat disabled for this stream
EOPbros... why are we such oppressed class....

>>56165544
No they don't, you've been mindbroken by western e-whores into thinking women must always want to exploit you for the money they actually care about and I can't blame you, most of EN is that way so it makes sense where you're coming from. But hopefully Fuwamoco can show you what actual unconditional kindness looks like and that it exists even if rare

>>56159464
When I hover over this tab, the tab preview says:
>/vt/ - I’m so happy they’re finally experiencing the succ - ...

>>56159464
I feel the same way