/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

it was a mistake in hindsight, foresight, any sight really

>>56141389
Depends on if the delay led to Cover being able to hire the twins or not.

>>56141922
the twins were determined to get in no matter what

The good point of mistakes are that you learn from them. Now everyone can see that homostars have not a single chance to be worst it ever, no matter what you do.

>>56142042
A slight shame that Ame and Kronii had to be sacrificed for it

>>56141389
It's what the fans wanted
https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1548472552334376966
Captcha : NTRWPM

>>56141389
I just realized, Gura streaming a bunch is if she wanted to force the line to spike as high as possible once the new gen got in to help stick it harder to the numberfags at Cover (aka shareholders) that homos are bad for business and cute girls rule the roost.

>>56142142
What was with the gun?

>>56141389
No.

>>56142140
Well mistakes have concequences. For ame she was anyway reaching her limit let's be honnest. Kronii on the other side, trully a shame but well it teached all the other chubba a very good lesson about what are their audience. (I still expect some to fail, but that is just natural selection a this point)

>>56142370
Gura is saving Watson, she's fine
Kronii tho, Mumei just abandoned her and enjoying being Advent's raid baby

Yes

>>56141389
Yep

If they can't expand their audience then the only good time to debut new talent is when most of the audience has lost interest. So all of the people that screech and claim they should only serve the true audience of fanatics are really telling them to delay debuts of new gens even longer.

>>56141389
If course it was. Not like it wasn't done on purpose to sabotage hololive

>>56141389
They actually rushed with the hiring of advent in my opinion. It was more of a reactive approach than a proactive one. The small corpos such as idolEN were stepping up their game, with strong hires, cover corp saw that and had to react fast to snuff them out. I'm glad they did or else biboo wouldn't be biboo.

>>56141389
The fact that they doubled down on their retardation only shows the absolute state of holoen management.

>>56142022
>still got rejected a couple of times
>meanwhile all of council manages to get in somehow

>>56141389
No. I would rather have them under 2023 management than 2022 management.

Even from non unicorn perspective releasing homos2 at that time was absolutely retarded. I somehow can understand first wave if you into that. But during that time when Ina took 2 months break and other ENs were barely streaming, it was a perfect time for EN3.

>>56141389
Not only was it a mistake it was rushed or at least their talents weren't informed that long beforehand. "hey you gonna debute soon. - cool ... i have a flight booked in 3 weeks i'm off to italy fuck you guys"

>>56141389
It's so funny for a moment in time they tried so hard to be nijisanji. No wonder all the girls were so depressed.

>>56141643
Yep, on the plus side, I real think that locking down the subreddit was the moment of realisation. Since then, there's been a huge change of strategy, removing Omega, the fact that after half a year, you can count the number of Tempus 2<>EN interactions on one hand, etc, etc.

>>56141389
>tempus 1 and 2
Same gen you dumb nigger

>>56141389
They didn't delay it for tempus, I believe it's not the same team recruiting holostars. hololive was fucked up by Omegatroon.

>>56142839
Except they all suck as entertainers. The only decent hire is Roca and only for the singing skills, her voice when speaking is not pleasant to listen to and she's overall quite boring.

>>56143418
A delay implies they were planned but I doubt Omega even looked at any form that wasn't marked "Male" or "Other".

>>56141389
Just say you hate EN. I'm sure Advent would have been so much better with your god Omega in charge. Jesus.

Of course firing him first and purging the bad EN talents before bringing in the new was the right choice.

was allowing numberfags to exist a mistake in retrospect?

They just want their own Luxiem, but got uproar 2.0 instead

>>56142265
a super important lore thing no doubt. whoever was given the gun most likely did their best not to mention it

>>56142911
It's unironically Omega's fault.

>>56143264
No it's not

I would like to thank Dimitri Jap for helping smite Omega and bringing back life into HoloEN

amen

Sure it felt like a fucking eternity, but I think it was the right choice after all to delay EN3 until after Omegay has been fired.
I wonder what kind of girls we would have gotten if Omegay decided to release EN3 in 2022. Holo could have scooped up one or two hires that ended up in either Phase or Idol today, or worse we could have had nijiniggers from Iluna or Xsoleil too.

>>56141922
no, they actively rejected the twins multiple times while they concentrated on homos, we're so lucky they kept trying despite management's best efforts to fuck it up. They also rejected other good talents who didnt keep reapplying like the twins

>>56143264
They can keep paperclipping "featuring UPROAR of the "Jump UPROAR!!" series!" to every Holostars roster recap too, they're still Gen fucking 4.

>>56143994
I still believe in the 1 million sub rrat. Omega didn't want to go against the rule and thought that if they weren't able to release new girls, Tempus should be made instead. Yagoo liked the HolostarsEN idea so he approved it. Tempus flopped. Dimitri Jap arrived and said fuck you Omegay, and also said fuck the 1 million subs rule and commanded "release the dogs" and so here we are now.

not only did tempus damage hololive but letting nijiEN poison EN vtubing for all that time has irreparably harmed the market

>>56141389
If it means we have fwmc, biboo, and nerissa for EN3, then it's worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QAiX-iIKpk

>I understand that change is scary
>you're a big brat now, you can handle it
>you don't have to worry
>they're very professional

>>56144176
Thankfully NijiEN is imploding and with Cover debuting Advent and heavily indicating that a fourth gen is coming out way sooner than the third one did the EN scene can finally heal.

>>56144338
>talks to her viewers like they are children
I dont know why she has any viewers left after that

>>56142370
>>>teached

>>56144154
>not "let the dogs out"
One job anon.

>>56144593
I want to be talked to like a child. But the second you drag males into it I'm going to laugh in your face and find an oshi that respects my time.

>>56144338
now post the clip where she stops whatever shes doing and watches the premiere of a holostars cover with all of the brats

>>56144154
A shame there isn't a public recording of omega's firing. I doubt his massive ego took it well

>>56144338
>"It's okay sweetie, dentists aren't scary! You're a big boy now, aren't you? Big boys don't cry!"
Jesus Christ, is this how one's supposed to talk to hololive fans? Then again, I shouldn't be surprised seeing how some holofags fellate the 2 new mutts who speak like teletubbies and how apeshit they go over nintendo and minecraft...

>>56144154
>Tempus exists because Council flopped
The 1 million rrat isn't real and your narrative sucks

>>56143242
I hope they learned.
Fuck what happened to the subreddit and fuck all Stars fans who took part in this hijack. The subreddit was so great until Tempus happened. Tempus ruined that space beyond recovery and even now that there's a lot less spam about them the after-effects are still there. People who just wanted a good time have to share a space now with Homobeggars who make everything about their homos. I remember going on the Stars subreddit and one of the threads openly going "ignore the haters keep plugging the stars here for now!!" like it's some kind of life mission to ruin hololive in favor of stars.

>>56141389
"""Popular demand""" vs actual, unironically, Popular demand.
More than half of tempiss "fans" is just nijinigger or Hololive anti, using homo to attack the fans of the girls.

>>56144970
Bae has a very unique audience who fantasizes about paying a preteen girl to get gangbanged in front of them and calls them a "meanie" while she is mating pressed. It's not even remotely the same thing as Fuwamoco's JP audience.

>>56144338
TBF, has Bae done anything with any of them that'd inspire "worry"? Like Kronii apparently did?
From what I've seen there's something about her interactions with Tempus that's especially demure & tension-less. Maybe it's her little sister energy, but it always feels like "just another collab" to me, not the "collab with a M*LE!" atmosphere literally everyone else gets. It's hard to describe.

>>56144154
And hopefully they do really well and some of EN3 can reach a million subs and expand the audience to more paying customers. Because if it doesn't look like it's going that way in a couple of months then the result is not going to be something you can still pin on the same one guy.

>>56144935
JP or Tempus? I'm >>56145279 & FTR what I said only applies to Tempus, she THIRSTS for the JPs.

>>56145279
Anyone would care about male collab have already drop here day 1 anon.

>>56145229
Replace meanie with misunderstanding.

HQ was a dumb mistake because they tried to ride the Luxiem Wave, but Vanguard releasing so soon was a downright retarded move. If they even had to think about locking the subreddit because of the VG announcement, they should have known better. At least we got the twins.

>>56145507
T chan is a homobeggar and I kid you not the one that told him to shut down the subreddit is a Nijinigger.

>>56145221
What even are Holostars fans? Legbeards who want a cool anime husbando?

>>56145507
The worst part is how the second batch was pretty much locked in since before the first one debuted. Omega (and Cover for that matter) in his immense wisdom thought it would be a better idea to keep two of the faggots they hired in the bench so they could get more to have another full gen instead of debuting all 6 of them and moving on to EN3.

>>56141389
It was long brainrot female moment. It'll never be repeated. There will be no more males. And that's still not enough to fix the mistake

>>56142142

>>56145507
>think about
They DID lock down the subreddit, for a nearly a whole 24 hours at that.

>>56145609
Their fans are unironically other homosexuals. That and when you factor in that the most popular ones are supported off a fanbase of gifted subs from their paypigs. It's the reason why nobody talks about Altere anymore. All his pigs went for the second stars group.

>>56145609
a lot of the ones purporting to be fans are only clipfags from twitter and freely admit to being one. they don't even buy any stars merch

>>56144097
This is incredibly depressing.

>>56142839
I doubt it has anything to do with whatever idol was doing.
If anything made them rush it was reaction to tempus 2.

>>56144097
just thinking about how we could have had the twins years earlier makes my blood boil.

>>56146604
>>56146819
A whole year wasted for 8 bottom of the barrel faggots, with 2 of them not even lasting until their first anniversary by the looks of it. I don't know if Cover will ever debut more homos in the future considering how hard Tempiss crashed and how Uproar had almost negative fanfare but if they do they'll certainly never again give them priority over any Hololive branch.

>>56144097
They weren't busy with the homos when they rejected Nene multiple times so I dunno if it's fair to come up with this theory to justify your anger

>>56147006
Depends on if they can actually expand the audience over time with the girls or not.

>>56145279
That just means you actually watch streams unlike the cock-obsessed closet cuckolds
Enough to notice that her interactions with any of the dudes are devoid of any romantic attraction

>>56147018
Gen 5 debuted less than 8 month after Gen 4 while Advent came out almost 2 whole years after Council and over 18 months after the start of the open auditions. You can believe in whatever you want but at this point it's very clear the reason for this absurdly long gap.

>>56147018
Nene sent her application multiple times she didn’t fail multiple times but you’re correct they weren’t accepted because Myth, Council and Holox were “better” than them. It’s not homos they lost to Ame, Mori, Kiara, Sana, Bae, Kronii, Fauna

>>56147149
Why do gays have to tell everyone they are gay

>>56147006
>Thinks Yagoo will be less of a faggot this time

>>56147506
Funny u said that.

>>56145378
It had to be JP, she paused her minecraft stream to watch a premiere of stars and then told everyone to go watch it but i'm not an anti enough to keep track of the shit she does.

>>56143852
This goes beyond Omega no member of en except Gura and Irys would try again after failing and even that’s being generous. The only reason I even consider them is because Hololive was everything for them

>>56144176
the scene is too new and malleable to say any damage has been irreparable

>Blue pill: You can make millions of dollars by debuting only girls and fulfill their dreams
>Red pill: You can make hundreds of thousands by debuting boys instead of girls for a year and fulfill stars' dreams

I find it funny how even after the tempus was formed, most of them doesn't collab all that much. It's as if Tempus just wanna collab with the girls, and not starsJP. This is what you get from trying to find people who is only there for Hololive and not StarsJP.

>>56147847
>even stars don't care about stars
They're so relatable

>>56145229
Why did you point that out. I now realize it’s one huge fetish

>>56141389
Colossal mistake. Also.

>NijiJP up
>NijiEN and StarsEN neck and neck
Roru, Rumao even!

>>56147847
Dude you can't blame them, language barrier is very strong

>>56145279
Why’d you ignore her collabs jp homos

>>56145279
I mean Bae is worse in terms of being open about sexual attraction to her co-workers, the thing is she was open about it from Day 1 so there's no people who were betrayed. Bae was in love with the meme Holostar and he was her oshi from the start and when she collabed with him it was totally the Kronii thing of watching some other guy making your girl wet. She's also done off-collabs with Stars which is something I've never heard of Kronii doing. I feel like she might be too autistic for that.

>>56144338
> they're very professional
> they're very professional
> they're very professional
Zoomer and comment who aged like milk, a classic.

>>56147353
Anon here the issue, the twins auditioned 4 times. They graduated 9 month ago. They probably started auditioning for hololive a little before they graduated from their PL. Let's say one year and a little more. So they were rejected 3 times, how many hololive gen were released during last year?

>>56148043
I’m sure Gura Aqua and Shion are just super extroverts then

>>56148043
how many times had axel collabed 1 on 1 with starsJP?

>>56141389
Tempiss 2 definitely, after the shitshow that tempiss 1 caused nobody wanted them, going only by numbers we will see in a couple of months how much of a difference there is.

>>56144338
>they're very professional
speedrunning the suspension and suspended again after that

>>56141389
>>56141389
This is irrefutable proof to show tempus was a bad mistake. why aren't there people posting this on twitter and shit?

>>56148043
You can totaly blame them. Look at hololive EN, even those who can't do japanese collab with holo JP. During recent marine/bae/mori collab you even learned that most of them keep contact with holoJP using deepl. The faggot have no excuses.

>>56141389
>EN3
>instant success, raking in cash, only blemish is that Shiori will probably self-destruct but 4 wins out of 5 ain't bad
>Tempus
>massive fail, drove away paypigs and crippled the EN branch, poisoned the Hololive community with cancerous fake fans and other undesirable outsiders, two members already got themselves fired, lead to Kronii going insane, caused Ame to make stupid decisions, may have contributed to Gura not streaming
Yeah OP, I think delaying EN3 for those dimeless faggots just might have been a mistake. Kek.

>>56142839
>They actually rushed with the hiring of advent in my opinion
The only reason to rush Advent would be to reverse the damage caused by Tempus. If you think bush league shit like idolEN was a factor you need to lay off the crack.

>>56148068
Where was it implied they only applied after they graduated? Do you think Cover is just rejecting people all day every day? How would that even work. Surely they only reject when they are actually sifting through applications for a hiring process or there has to be some massive time gap between rejections. Otherwise all these talents complaining about getting rejected suddenly come off very cheaply if you can just reapply two months later. It's very clear from the two other Advent talents that actually wanted to join Hololive that they've been working years to build their resumes after getting rejected. Why would the twins be different?

>>56148068
Except your assumption is wrong from the start. They would have applied before their job or after not during. They didn’t quit they were fired as they liked being there and the next set of auditions in December specifically asked for more homos. February is when they tried again because that application asked for girls and homos

>>56148343
That’s inaccurate to say the least. It’s not that they wanted to they literally had no choice as their chance only came 2 years after council. Had auditions happened even a little later we would have 3 different members

>>56148068
>>56148160
Even Ina thought they were good people at the start
Even this board did, everyone thought vesper was a kind old man from his debut

>>56145609
>What even are Holostars fans?
Trannies, homosexuals, mentally disturbed women, and people who hate Hololive. There's also a lot of overlap between those groups(except for women and trannies).

>>56148665
>everyone thought vesper was a kind old man from his debut
>ENTER

>>56148640
All these talents were inspired by Myth, not Council. If anything, their first rejections were for the sake of Council.

No one but a loud minority that doesn't even watch streams wanted EN guys to begin with

Do you schizos also believe JP7 has been delayed by Uproar?

>>56141389
>>56142142
>popular deman

>>56149006
No, because the JP branches are seperate with different management. Which is not the case in EN.

>>56149006
Nigger Uproar debuted 4 months after Holox. Jesus fucking Christ, it's the same retarded cope every single time. Are you that mindbroken that your garbage faggots are gone for 5 weeks and counting?

>>56149006
Now that you think about it, where is JP7? I thought they'll be released soon

>>56148160
Today... you are allowed a slice of cake but tomorrow you need to get back in the weight lose plan you fat fuck.

>>56148885
No you’re right but biboo and nerissa probably didn’t apply for council as they wanted to get experience. Everyone knows council is a black spot as far as hires go and is probably one of the few actually related to omega. If anything seeing council gave people hope that they to can make it

>>56148885
Yes anon I read between the lines
Council is a flop when compared to Myth

>>56148665
>Even this board did
There was a lot if optimism that Tempus would just be cool bros who stayed in their bubble and did cool bro things. But I remember there were some Anons who absolutely called it and said Tempus would be pieces of shit and a cancer on Hololive.

>>56141389
I can't read this fucking tiny graph, at least blow it up to support your shit claim.

>>56149086
So when JP and ID is delayed, it's coincidence but when EN is, it's because of the homo menace!

It showed Cover the disastrous consequences of trying to focus on a male branch and gave Biboo the time she needed to build up a resume and get hired, so it's alright in my book.
I pity the teamates and kronies though. No one deserves to go through what they did.

>>56149232
>2400x1441 image
>fucking tiny

>>56149275
Tempus truly was the one thing that genuinely and unironically mindbroke /vt/

>>56145306
> expand the audience to more paying customers.
This is the problem with hololive. They are using the same formula so they will start to cannibalize Their own viewers, that is the reason why the numbers are dropping on the older generations

>>56149363
Tempus didn't mindbreak /vt/, sister. It broke the EN branch and taught /vt/ to gatekeep harder.

>>56149275
JP already has 35 members and ID4 is pretty much set to debut in the next few months. But sure, keep going with your retarded cope, sister. That won't make the two retards come back sooner tho.

>>56141389
It's hard to call it a mistake. Luxium was lightning in a bottle that nobody expected and obviously Cover obviously wanted to take a crack at that too because that's what literally any corporate business would do.

In hindsight things didn't work out and Hololive lost some momentum because of it. VTuber viewership is down across the board in the West so now Advent has an uphill battle. They have the debut buff, yes, but that's not going to last. There was a huge time gap between Council and Advent and the juxtaposition between them is extremely evident. They're going to have to integrate very quickly but that comes with the risk of feeling very forced which hasn't been a strong feeling throughout Myth/Council in over a year.

>>56149377
>dropping
Most of the old members didn't have viewers to lose if you are talking about JP and ID. The old ones that had viewers are still growing (like Miko). If you mean EN, they lost viewers by throwing away all their good will in the past couple years. A new gen is the only thing that will even bring back their old audience, let alone a new one.

>>56149377
So long as they keep their core base of paying fans, it doesn't matter. The people that immediately jump over to the next shiny thing likely aren't the ones that pay for the girls' bills anyway.

>>56149275
See >>56149087

>>56149461
Just one of the many kiddies who cry sister because of Tempus...case in point

>>56145507
You know shit is bad when that place was locked for a little over 23 hours.

>>56149087
>5 weeks
That’s crazy to think about and they are technically not suspended at least according to Cover. Yagoo is a colossal faggot

>>56149107
Everyone thought ID4 would be July and JP7 in October based on Auditions. No one expected them to realize their mistake and rush EN3. ID’s auditions ended 6 months ago I believe

>>56149275
How is ID delayed? How is JP delayed?

>>56149467
ID3 and JP7 are the equivalent to EN3. If EN3 debuted around the time of Tempus, they would have been exponentially faster turnaround than ID3 or JP7. Yet you pretend like that is the norm.

>>56149641
retard

>>56145507
The fact that the subreddit got locked was truly a grim reminder that the numbers thread which is monitoring the subreddit 24/7 is filled with actual redditors

>>56141389
I don’t like tempus but i’m not gonna act like it was a braindead decision to debut them, luxium was super successful so it makes sense to want a piece of the pie(i mean… it didn’t work at all but i understand why they tried it)… the part that doesn’t make sense is debuting tempiss before en3 and waiting an extra year for a new generation of girls. They should have done gen 3 last year, and then done tempus 6 months later

>>56149673
Just admit you don't follow Hololive.

>>56149480
Myth was lightning in a bottle or more accurately Gura. Luxiem at best performed at 25% of myth and council at 10%. If council failed to capture that it’s only right their half baked gen would perform just as bad which did happen. Homobegging faggot

>>56149480
>It's hard to call it a mistake
No it isn't. Anybody could see that Luxiem was just a flash in the pan. Cover should have known that the market for male vtubers would never be viable after years of experience with Stars JP floundering in obscurity. Creating the Tempus branch was shortisghted lunacy.

>>56148343
Twin were under another company until 9 month ago. And yes I can totaly see the retard omegafaggot rejecting lot of girls because he wanted to recruit his fags and setting them for failure. That how retarded all top management of holoEN have been since myth. Don't forget those retard recruited 6 people for a gen of 4 people for tempiss and had to find 2 other for a second gen. No wonder they got repleaced in december.

>>56141389
Releasing parasites at all was a mistake. Then again, it let us see which girls are whores and which ones deserve support so that's a positive at least.

>>56149578
Sisters are the only ones doing the crying. No Magni? No Vesper? Kek

>>56149702
>i’m not gonna act like it was a braindead decision to debut them
The problem with that is it was most likely pushed by shareholders or investors that have 0 fucking clue about the demographic Hololive caters to.
They just saw males raking in the cash at Niji and thought that a fanbase that exists because they want to watch women pretend to be anime girls would carry over to some faggots hiding behind a half-assed moving png.

>>56149641
>HoloJP: 35 members before JP7
>HoloEN: 10 members before Advent
>HoloID: 9 members before ID4
The only branch that I barely agree with you is ID but, once again, their 4th gen will debut in the next few months because they had actual auditions back in February. JP however could go almost 2 years without a new gen without much problems because they had over 3 times as many members both EN and ID had, but I'm sure you'll ignore all of this to keep pushing your retarded cope. Anyway, be careful to not burst a vein when those two faggots get terminated.

>>56150003
>pushed by shareholders
As far as I remember, was cover's IPO before or after July? I doubt investors would try to force holostars that early

>>56149884
You are completing forgetting the idea the twins applied before their last job. Other Advent talents only had their most recent PL's to build their resume for Hololive. There's no reason to assume the twins were unique and got rejected a bunch of times in a single year. Hololive's managers are idiots if they are rejecting people every couple months and then hiring them anyway because they get no one else applying. That makes no fucking sense.

>>56149641
>ID2 to ID3 - 15 months
>Gen 2 to Gen 3 - 11 months
>Council to Advent - 23 months
Homobegging faggot

>>56150003
>The problem with that is it was most likely pushed by shareholders or investors that have 0 fucking clue about the demographic Hololive caters to.
Pretty sure your timeline is wrong and Tempus happened before Cover had shareholders. But I think it's likely that Omega himself scammed Cover into hiring Tempus as part of his culture war. He probably swore he could make them a "success" just like Luxiem and that the Nijification of Holo EN would be a good thing.

>>56150067
What does number of past members have to do with anything? That's not how the logic of debuting new gens works. Are you retarded or just pretending to be? All three branches had massive unnatural gaps at the same time. Unless you think Hololive is over, those gaps will not be the norm going forward but they were universal for the same period.

>>56149915
>Whore is when talk to male
Hope you have that same energy when jp girls play apex or gta rp with male ecelebs

>>56150003
The investors that wanted out before they debuted or the investors that didn’t exist until after they already debuted? What about the investors that cut the homos funding or asked when new girls will arrive? Why would investors care about Luxiem when they were only bigger than council their best doesn’t even touch Kiara

>>56150313
>Hope you have that same energy when jp girls play apex or gta rp with male ecelebs
What makes you think that Anon doesn't? Male collabs are unacceptable whether they happen in JP, ID, or EN.

Let's just accept that Tempus batch 2 was and still is a mistake, yeah?

>>56150313
This false flagging faggotry is always funny to me, you don't like the JP whores either and if you've been on this board for more than a day you know they aren't that popular here and some are openly hated.

>>56150243
Retard all 3 branches had debuts in 2020 but ID had a special case of 2 debuts. Gen 5 to Gen 6 is even longer than it appears because Gen 5 was heavily delayed but Myth to council is 11 months. Homobegging faggot

>>56150441
Tempus 1 was an even bigger mistake. That's just accept that the whole thing was an ill advised clusterfuck.

i remember even tempus fans being mad at the debut of tempus 2, that branch,council and hope were so mismanaged it was painful

Looks like the homosisters are here

>>56150243
Because Hololive isn't fucking Nijisanji, you failed abortion. They're not here to flood the market with a bunch of vtubers without giving the previous gens time to settle themselves (until Tempiss, that is). The gap between Gen 5 and Holox was almost twice as long as the gap between Gen 4 and Gen 5 because (at the time) they had 31 members. The gap between Council and Advent has not plausible explanation outside of Cover's homolust because there was no fucking way a gen of 10 people scattered around the world would be able to survive for that long without new blood, and that graph in the OP shows how they consistently hit new lows every single month until July when they had the concert, Gura finally came back for real and the new gen debuted. I swear to god fucking unicellular organisms are more intelligent than you sisters.

>>56149855
>Anybody could see that Luxiem was just a flash in the pan.
Can I get your autograph Captain Hindsight?

>>56150482
So it really is just mental illness, huh.

>>56150441
the whole reddit lockdown during the Tempus2 debut and Ame bday iirc was kino tho

>>56150648
Nijisanji always had successful male vtubers while all of Cover's attempts in the past failed miserably. You don't need hindsight to see how the same exact thing would've happen in the west.

>>56150611
Does Hololive want to grow or just maintain? It seems you believe they just want to maintain.

>>56141389
the whole existence of male vtubers is a rape of nature
and everyone clearly understand it. This is why at the dawn of vtubing males tried to hide behind cute girl avatars. But now they too lazy to even do that and just sitting there openly laughing in our faces. Disgusting
Somebody need to step in and put an end to this

>>56150473
So Botan and Korone are whores then ?

>>56150648
>Can I get your autograph Captain Hindsight?
Kek. It's an established fact that there's no real market for male vtubers. So when Luxiem came along and did good numbers it was obvious they were going to crash and burn, because like I just said, there's no real market for male vtubers. Only a complete moron would be dazzled by their short-term success and think it was sustainable.

>>56150727
And it seems that you have negative brain cells.

>>56150561
Myth was even more mismanaged than council and hope, people just didn't realise because they were all in honeymoon period and covid was a good excuse for everything.

>Tempus is all fags (gay)
>tempus is cuckolding me by doing colabs with the girls
Hmmmm

>>56149794
>Myth was lightning in a bottle or more accurately Gura.
No, that was just corporate vtubing in 2021. A vast majority of Myth's - especially Gura's - subs are inactive and irrelevant. Proportional to subscriber count none of them are pulling as much attention as you'd expect them to(aside from Gura in Japan but that has nothing to do with her activity/content and everything to do with her design and marketability effectively making her the corporate mascot.)

They got in early during the Covid craze and as soon as that ended many of those people dropped them and never returned.

>>56150727
>Does Hololive want to grow or just maintain?
NTA but what do you think Hololive needs to do in order to grow? Is it something stupid?

>>56150778
Comparing hags to fertile women is disingenuous at best but there was a whole controversy over Korone's actions here and you can search the archive for mentally ill people cheering on the fact that her e-celeb male friend died recently.

No, the decline is caused by no interesting models or talent in Advent. On top of that, you have literal baby (not even toddler) content in Hololive now.

>>56150814
>Only a complete moron would be dazzled by their short-term success and think it was sustainable.
Who said anything about sustainability? Do you have any idea how the corporate world works? That was rhetorical. I already know the answer.

If sustainability was important you wouldn't see a plethora of low effort gacha games that only exist to make a quick buck before the inevitable shutdown.

>>56150930
>the decline is caused by no interesting models or talent in Advent
>decline
Advent is reversing the decline caused by Tempus and making Holo EN incline, retardchama.
>On top of that, you have literal baby (not even toddler) content in Hololive now.
GET FILTERED

>>56150441
I still can't believe retards at Cover pushed for a fucking 2 batch. Like anyone with brain would know it's a bad idea.

>>56150890
I'm not joking but disbaning the stars may be the biggest move for hololive to grow. Most if not all other shot have been fired already and produce good results. And no matter how much people are coping holostars is really a weight that have been slowing down hololive for years and have show barely any growth.

>>56150966
>If sustainability was important you wouldn't see a plethora of low effort gacha games that only exist to make a quick buck before the inevitable shutdown.
>inevitable shutdown
You just explained why sustainability is critical.

>>56150778
Yes if you gave out your contact info to a guy she’s a whore. After the collab ends he could hit her up and that’s a no for me. There have been collabs with males where it’s completely separate like Aqua in apex or Kanata in Minecraft. If they Can’t reach out to them afterwards I’m fine with it

>>56151126
Anon you didn't need to respond to that. I already told you there was no need to answer the rhetorical question. Thanks for conceding through ignorance I guess?

>>56141643
/thread

>>56150886
Yes you’re right Gura isn’t popular she’s just popular.

>>56150890
If they want to grow they need to bring in new blood. Which they aren't going to do by just waiting for old members to die off to replace them. ID recently became a real branch just by one of their new blood hires becoming an instant meme. EN also might get legitimized by their meme new blood hire. JP's new blood has not brought them anything new and their biggest names are still all the old members. Koyori is the biggest thing from the last two gens and it's not even because she was a hit but just because she grinds and it paid off into a decent following but not a mainstream one.

>>56148052
The clip/quote I was talking about was specifically about Tempus. As was this thread, and 90% of homohanging on this board.

>>56151126
Nha that anon do have a point, for gacha sustenability is not the point, it's even negative to have it as a long term project. The point is to make quick buck and shut down quickly before maintaining the servers/updated become a deficit, or a sustencial cost at best. Then use that money to make 2 gacha and repeat ad nauseum. But it's the investisor POV. From a consumer POV this kind of action are extremely shitty practices.

>>56151117
>I'm not joking but disbaning the stars may be the biggest move for hololive to grow.
Sorry Anon, I thought you were leading up to something dumb but you're 100% right. Shitcanning the Stars would free up more resources for the girls, who present a much better return on investment, and it would bring back lapsed fans by sending the message that Hololive will no longer be Nijified. I think it's only a matter of time before the investors demand Tempus and Stars JP get fucked.

>>56151230
>intentionally ignoring context and being obtuse in an attempt to spin a narrative
Nice fallacy, thanks for the concession.

>>56148279
>may have contributed to Gura not streaming
The existence of this rrat will never not be funny.

>>56151365
The only reason Cover could survive axing Stars is because women are cowards and leeches but there are plenty of women in all three branches who would make sure the company's content remained miserable and insufferable for a year at least.

>>56151044
Cope.

>>56148665
Ironically enough I don't recall her ever so much as mentioning Vesper & Magni, just the two most likely to be "good people". Ina wouldn't consider #SupportTheCause a bad thing, let's be real.

>>56151362
Not really if they have enough consumers the gacha lives. It’s entirely based on them

>>56151544
I promise you nobody would care. Even the whores care more about ecelebs than they do the stars. Only people that would care are Bae, and Ollie

>>56151365
I'm not the same anon as the one you were discuting, but well. I'll add that stars did make sence early on when hololive was trying to concurence directly nijisanji, but that have become less and less revelant with time passing. It's not like cover is totaly unable to have a male branch but it would work far better if they were a total separate parallel branch, holopro is the most retarded thing ever nowoday even if it made sence at some point historicaly. I'm saying a branch totaly independant physicaly, financialy and a totaly different brand name. But even that is almost impossible to make without disbaning the current brand, going through a rebranding wouldn't have enought impact. Well a lot of faggot wil try to argue against it because that would require the new brand to actually grind a lot and potentialy fail hard.

>>56151691
I know you're pretending to be retarded but all three branches have members who are obsessed with males. ID is literally Stars-lite, Bae is obviously the biggest "unity fag" in EN but the others who love males are already insufferable enough and their mood would be a massive killer for the branch's overall vitality. As for JP, besides whores like Matsuri, members like Fubuki are close friends with Stars members.

>>56143016
>No. I would rather have them under 2023 management than 2022 management.
Sure, but I would guess that changing management had more to do with holoEN than Tempus.

>>56141643
Yes, nothing else to say. This year could have been EN4 and hire all advent. Omega is a retard that tried to compete vs Luxiem and almost fucked up the EN branch, thank god now he's working in a McDonald's or some shit like that

>>56151691
Enought PAYING consumers. but there is a critical break point anyway when it's easier to generate a lot of buck from "debut" hype of a gacha than generating more content for it. Also avoid a lot of issue comming from making the gameplay more complicated, like power creep, or people starting to complain about the it was better before. What help a lot is that most of progamming asset are reusable to the next gacha anyway so economise a good amount of ressources from production. Also you get some benefit by being able to change your artist roaster without drama. Obviously not every gacha are trying to do that but there are several that are unappologicaly doing this.

>>56149794
>Luxiem at best performed at 25% of myth and council at 10%
...i.e. Luxiem was more successful than Council. The novelty of a male wave drew more people than just adding more girls. Seems pretty cut-and-dry that they'd try that first.

>>56151207
>I already told you there was no need to answer the rhetorical question.
Don't care. I destroyed it anyway.

>>56151362
>for gacha sustenability is not the point,
Making money is the point of any business and sustainability maximizes the amount of money you can make. You can turn a quick profit with some fly by night company but you can turn a much bigger profit by setting up a sustainable long-term business. Chasing the ultra short-term Luxiem fad was always retarded.

>>56151701
Yes that faggot Yagoo has been trying to imitate Nijisanji for years and he keeps failing

>>56151832
Yes your homos are an integral part of the company and all the girls would hold their breaths if they were gone.

>>56141389
No. Not because Tempus was worth it, but because EN3 under Omega would have been as bad as or worse than Council.

>>56150441
Nah the clown's genuinely fun to watch suffer.
Should've dropped one of the first 4 and prioritized him instead.

>56152099
>i-i-i won! i just did! let me have this!

I like these lads, dunno why all the butthurt over them

>>56152150
You know how hard it would be to find people worse than council? If Omega could pull that off I would actually be impressed

>>56152150
>EN3 under Omega
Probably would have been a mixed gen and included a tranny.

>>56152105
Look, if you want to have retarded hypotheticals that's good for you but you are next-level delusional if you think Cover just firing a bunch of the girl's friends for a stunt won't translate into them dragging as much down with them as they can. They've literally already proven they will do this. The EN branch was completely dead for over a year from a few members throwing tantrums. Obviously I agree they would be too weak-willed to quit in protest but their content would be terrible, company morale would be an all-time low and their simp fans would definitely become a mob. But then in your hypothetical you'd just say fire all the Homosympathizers too but then at that point the company would just die and the worthwhile members would become independent. The fags and the faghags are all worthless to Cover but firing them causes more problems than just leaving them to quit on their own.

>>56152082
They couldn’t make a second myth how would they make a second luxiem

>>56152172
>EN DESPERATELY need new blood
>Debut male
>all the girls shilling them
>popular demand
>Debut MORE male
>More collab shilling DA BOI
>No, we don't need EN3
>Tempus is EN3
NO, I WILL NOT WATCH YOUR FUCKBOI, FUCK OFF.

>>56152105
>>56152335
Losing Fubuki would be a bigger hit than losing any of the homos or Kronii/Ame/Mori/Bae.

>>56152172
/vt/ acts like the boys raped every girl in Myth and Council, despite the fact that the girls were clearly given the right of initiation in all collabs.
Catalogfags are mad that the males they hate so much brought out the woman in their oshis, and they didn't. It's half jealousy, half denial, and all pathetic.

>>56151176
If you think your Oshi or some other vtuber would make a booty call to some dude they just streamed with and barely know then you never held them in high regard in the first place

>>56151640
seethe

>>56144338
No suprise her viewership is so trash

>>56152374
Cool... You don't have to watch them, that's completely okay. I just said I like them.. some of them at least, I don't have time for all of them either.

>>56145221
Yep, that's the thing, a lot of the "supporters" seem to be doing it to pwn the "parasocial weebs" rather than actually watching the content. I really wonder how the people who spent most of last year and the start of ths year saying "We didn't need an En3, Tempus exists" feel now.

>>56150441
Aren't the two fags on suspension from Gen 1? If anything 2 was the more succesful one by nature of having no yab machines (I mean the shota trannylover was a bit much but I don't know if he's calmed down or just nobody watches him). I couldn't even remember the fourth Gen 2 member and when I realized it was the bird that means the biggest controversy Gen 2 was ever involved in was the bird harrassing Kaela and that's basically it. It's all the Gen 1 members who had constant collabs with the girls.

>>56152335
>you are next-level delusional if you think Cover just firing a bunch of the girl's friends for a stunt won't translate into them dragging as much down with them as they can.
Anon, I don't think investors would care. Mori, Kronii, Suisei, Bae, Towa, and Fubuki might mope for awhile? So what? Getting rid of the Tempus/Stars albatross around Cover's neck would be worth it for the longterm gains.

>>56152422
My oshi has never once acknowledged the homos.

>>56152558
>Aren't the two fags on suspension from Gen 1?
Undefined hiatus, likely due to that faggot that has been leaking info left and right.

>>56150727
oh yeah because nijisanji has been growing so much thanks to their rapid expansion (oh... wait a minute...)

>>56152647
When why are you threatened by the existence of a penis? Surely you trust your oshi to continue to not acknowledge the homos, right? Surely you aren't threatened by the existence of a male that isn't you, right?

>>56152527
>You don't have to watch them
If only it was that simple.
>Ame shill them
>Bae shill them
>Kronii shill them
>Mori shill them
>Gura got sick of the fags and stop streaming
>Mumei's Mumei
>Ina
>Faggots brought in the Nijisisters

>>56152335
You’re definitely right notHomobeggar they’ve never had their friends be fired before. Gen 3 hated Rushia, and Gen 5 hated Aloe which is why they didn’t care about their terminations. Only thing the girls care about is homos

>>56152703
>a new gen every year is rapid expansion
???

>>56152667
Clown also worked with said faggot and is seemingly fine. Those two are suspended, stop coping.

>>56152667
>they're not suspended, they are just on hiatus as a punishment for their previous actions
yeah that's called a suspension anon...

>>56152426
My oshi isn’t a Saint I’m not delusional but she also doesn’t do anything related to males so I’m not worried

>>56152558
No they are just unable to do anything related to Cover including Xweet for an undetermined amount of time. This is not a suspension

>>56152716
>When why are you threatened by the existence of a penis?
Kek. Why do sisters always fall back on this retarded mantra? And why do they keep talking about penises? Men aren't compatible with Hololive. Simple as.

>>56152527
no, the issue is that silence can be misinterpreted as approval, if no one complained when the male/female collabs started, they probably would have just assumed everyone was fine with it and kept doing it. that is why i am very vocal about my disdain towards holostars, simply not watching them is not good enough

>>56152765
You don’t get it 1 new gen per branch is the same as 4 new ones per branch

>>56152716
because men don't belong in the company that specializes in CGDCT? i sweat you homos are so fucking stupid it's unreal

>>56152716
Heh, always with this kind of gaslighting

>>56152716
NTA but If only it was this simple. That was kinda a non issue before tempiss, really. But since they debuted starsfag try to impose their fag nonstop, and if you are unlucky they lay trap in your oshi chat. Then they insult you when you call them out. At some point you decide to solve the problem at it's source. And now the total homo extermination have started. BTW if the homo had a proper control over their fanbase that wouldn't have happened.

>>56152756
In this fantasy hypothetical, their friends are getting fired for existing. Not for doing something wrong. The problem with you retards and your obsession with Tempus is you think they are so evil that Stars JP is evil by association. If your hypothetical was just Tempus getting closed down, there'd be very little problem. Some tears from some members but it'd be much easier to write off like CN. But you want Stars JP also lumped in which is a much bigger problem. The only girls in Hololive who got into collabing with males because of Tempus are Kronii and Ame. The other dozen-plus were into it before Tempus existed.

>>56152716
>>56152422
>sisters always talking about rape and cocks
>try to gaslight others into thinking THEY are the ones who like rape and cocks
>sisters then try to act all high and mighty, pretending they're not into rape and cocks

It's as if I'm back on twitter!

>>56152807
No one of them was suspended before they didn’t call it that this time. Unless you’re calling that faggot Yagoo a liar

>>56152924
Keep up the good fight they’ve had their funding cut and we got Advent before a 3rd generation of homos

>>56152924
How do you know they would've continued?

>>56150882
preach

>>56152422
not as pathetic as tempiss' viewership, that flayon faggot is unironically gonna be a 2view by the end of the year, it's incredibly pathetic

>>56152172
Their mere existence caused several ENs to start asking themselves questions about parasociality & boundaries with their fanbases that went very poorly for some of said fanbases.
This in turn "tainted" the pure CGDCT fantasy of EN as a whole for some all-purpose chuuba enjoyers here. i.e. it wasn't just 10 anime women having fun with each other anymore; it was at-best 6 or 7 with a few 3DPD ROASTIE THOT SLLLLLLUTS mixed in who hate you and what you enjoy and now act as constant reminders that none of this is real.
Then the lads started making regular collab groups with certain girls, so they'd never be truly out-of-site-out-of-mind. Then at least one of them started acknowledging & reacting to the hate, which stoked the simmering rage into a perpetual furnace.

>>56153125
why do you think they wouldn't have? if there was no backlash whatsoever, is there any reason to think that tempus would not have collabed with every single EN member?

>>56152828
I'm not saying to treat them as if they do no wrong I'm saying to not treat them like there some $2 whore who drops her panties to any man who gives them attention

>>56153121
if it looks like shit and smells like shit, then i don't need some japanese business man to tell me that it is shit

>>56153125
Nta but they set up more auditions for homos only in December before back tracking in February to both, which is when Advent was hired. They even doubled down on more girls in May with a new set of auditions made after Advents channels were made

>>56153051
>In this fantasy hypothetical, their friends are getting fired for existing
No, Tempus/Stars would be fired because they're a poor investment and Cover should focus on better investments instead. It's pure business.
>But you want Stars JP also lumped in which is a much bigger problem.
You're grossly underestimating the professionalism of girls like Suisei, Fubuki, and Towa if you think they'd throw a tantrum over Stars JP being terminated for business reasons.

>>56152918
It's just the typical reputation-based attack common on places with fixed usernames, forgetting that this is an anonymous imageboard

>>56150882
A lot of them are gay but some of them are just perverts. The guy with the most female collabs is famous for literally getting cucked in real life by his girlfriend. I don't think anyone would claim Kronii's boyfriend was gay, maybe just impotent without his boner pill prescription. And that hafu guy who was always creeping on the new JP staff member until she quit being a vtuber didn't seem homo either.

>>56153213
We've already seen scenarios where there is no males and the CGDCT still broke, you guys are suffocating to them it's bound to happen regardless.

>>56141389
Yes, Tempus as a whole was a mistake.

>>56152372
It'd be THEIR own first Luxiem, is the idea. Was worth a try.
Frankly I'm of the opinion that EN3's largely blown up like it has because of the wait making people yearn for it more. So with-or-without homos in the middle it turned out fine IMO.

>>56152172
because we like cute girls and not cute boys and the cute boys were clearly trying to invade the standard hololive fanbases with their constant promotion on twitter/reddit and their collabs with the girls (which objectively made no sense, if the point of holostars was to tap into a new market, how does pushing them onto your existing fanbase benefit you in any way, it'd be like if coca-cola decided to start mixing diet coke into their regular coke as a way to promote diet coke, but in reality, it just left a bad taste in the mouth of people who just wanted regular coke)

>>56153362
What business reasons need you to fire Stars but not a bunch of Gen 0-2 talents? "Some faggot on 4chan thought these employees should be fired but not those ones" is not business reasons. A precedent of firing those that lag behind is even worse than when it was about just firing them for being male since the low-performing girls are often extremely insecure.

>>56153384
>you guys are suffocating to them

Western women problems.

>>56153362
please understand, homofans are stupid as shit. they can't decide whether the girls are so professional that they'd never date a holostars member, or so unprofessional that they'd throw a tantrum if the holostars branch was shut down... these two things don't really fit together

>>56144970
>is this how one's supposed to talk to hololive fans?
It evidently isn't as it gets brought up as a bad example you massive retard.

>>56153577
>What business reasons need you to fire Stars but not a bunch of Gen 0-2 talents?
I'm not talking about individuals talents. The Holo JP branch as a whole is an amazing investment. Meanwhile, the Stars JP branch as a whole is a terrible investment. Investors don't like that kind of thing.

>>56153577
how about the fact that they are scaring off the prime demographic of hololive (and of pretty much every company for that matter), if mcdonalds released a product that not onoly sold very poorly, but also caused some of their highest paying customers to stop eating there, then it would be a pretty good idea to remove that item from the menu

>>56141389
Man vtubing really was a corona phenomenon wasn't it?

Cant's argue with the results. Homo results are complete shit. Maybe they should put some effort in their work and stop slacking.

>>56141389
Tempus was a mistake and Axel should have been in jp

>>56153577
>Gen 0 - Suisei, Miko
>Gen 2 - Aqua, Shion, Subaru, Ayame
And these are just members that can get 100k on 3D live. Almost all of gen 0-2 have over a million subs or close to it while the largest homo is 200k. They’re all worth way more than them as well homobegging faggot

>>56153823
Geez, back to this retardation all over again. You are talking about Tempus now which is something different from Stars JP. Even Tempus has become pretty irrelevant after the suspensions. You can't "scare people off" who don't even know you exist.

>>56141389
HoloEN has been on a downward trend since it started. Even Advent couldn't beet the CCV of Council's debut 2 years ago. It's becoming abundantly clear that EN's audience is shrinking every year. The lowest troughs and highest peaks are all getting lower. Everyone's CCV has been declining. Advent may have pumped some life back in the branch, but it won't last long. The vtuber industry in the Western world just can't last like it can in Japan.

>>56153899
>muh dead subs!
Ah, so you were a chumfuck.

>>56153362
Suisei and Towa, sure, because calling any HoloStars member their friend is a stretch.

Fubuki would be livid. I'm not sure if she'd quit but I wouldn't bet against it.

>>56153699
There’s also the ones trying so hard to say they aren’t homobeggars while vehemently defending them. Everything they do is contradictory

>>56153912
people know they exist, they just don't care. Cover promotes them constantly, you'd have to be pretty stupid to not know they exist at all

>>56154012
You really think random Gens 0-2 members are less valuable than any of the homos, including the top performing ones? Kek, this is beyond delusional.

>>56151879
Tempus played a part, in so far that the Management team - by multiple talent's account - was small and unorganized. They diverted their attention to getting Tempus off the ground assured by the fans that the boys would be the next big hit. Tempus 1 did decent numbers, Tempus 2 not so much.

>>56154018
lmao this is massive cope, fubuki is wildly dedicated to this job, yagoo could rape her mother and she'd probably still stick around

>>56153954
EN will never reach its old peaks but Council killed its momentum off quicker than Advent has.

>>56153271
Isnt that the way /MANS/ homobeggaes and sisters treat them though?

Look at every female that collabs or exist near tempus. This is something both homobeggars and unicorns do.

>>56153954
The space is more saturated so holo sheds viewers to non dorito streamers.

>>56154050
Oh, so it turns out they aren't scaring anyone off. Pick a narrative.

>>56154101
decent numbers? lmao, by comparison to gen 2 they did alright, but in comparison to hololive they were still a massive flop (and before you say "muh they do good compared to starsJP", that does not mean tempus did good, it means they were performing poorly and starsJP was performing fucking horrendously)

>>56152422
>despite the fact that the girls were clearly given the right of initiation in all collabs.
I've seen enough salt for the past year to summarize that this misses the point.
The root of the problem is Tempus being there FOR the girls to initiate collabs with. We can't force them not to if they want to, so the option should be removed altogether. Total Tempus Death etc etc.

>>56153954
>Even Advent couldn't beet the CCV of Council's debut 2 years ago.
You have to show me the numbers for me to believe that. I'm pretty sure Advent mogged Council debut CCV.

>>56154209
>Tempus being there FOR the girls to initiate collabs with. We can't force them not to if they want to, so the option should be removed altogether.
why?

>>56154109
I wouldn't call her dedicated, more that she just lost her soul at some point and chose the easy path. Suffering from success if you will.

>>56153271
thanks for the suggestion but i'll pass, being polite doesn't work very well as a deterrent, the whole point is to make an example out of any girls who do these collabs to ensure that the others don't follow in their footsteps. I don't call kronii a whore to get her to stop doing these collabs, I call her a whore so all her genmates will see it and decide they do not want to receive the same treatment

>>56154223
It's in the graph. >>56141389

>>56154197
well you're misinterpreting my point so you're retarded, when they stay in their containment branch then there's no problem, you can know they exist and not care so long as they keep to themselves. The issue is when they decide to collab with the girls

>>56154329
That includes underperforming Council and Myth members. Advent debut CCV was higher by a decent amount (115-125K vs 85-95K).

>>56148192
Doesn’t go with their narrative and also this pic exposes that homostar “fans” who claim to love “THE BOYSSS!!!11111” don’t actually support or watch fucking streams and only care about their collabs with the girls so they can feel like they are striking back at hololive fans or have material for their stupid ass ships

>>56153384
I thought I remained fairly neutral, so can't quite tell which guys I'm being grouped with or who I'm meant to be suffocating.

>>56154204
I said decent. Not great. Certainly better than average for a Stars gen but no where near Hololive. They certainly were not worth a second generation dumped onto the scene less than 6 months later. I'm not a Stars fan in the slightest, but I can acknowledge there is a niche audience for them. Managements problem was that they thought it wasn't a niche the market would be far larger then it actually was and they wasted almost a year trying to convince a marketplace that prefers the girls that boys were just as good. Absolute brainlet moment from them.

>>56154050
Give up trying to reason with that sister, I have seen this exact same conversation 10293012903 time by now.
>>56154329
>Concil's debut month 2021-08-22, 7577
>Advent's debut month 2023-08-14, 8891
???

>>56154313
This is shit that abusive boyfriends do

>>56154404
Don't butt into conversations you aren't actually understanding in the future. They do keep to themselves, you are holding grudges based on old shit and applying it to members that never had anything to do with it. The Tempus branch has suspended two of its biggest dramaqueens and they've been pretty much ignored since EN management changed.

>>56154455
Listen, I don't make the graphs. If you have more accurate data, then you should make the graphs.

>>56154204
I said decent. Not great. Certainly better than average for a Stars gen but no where near Hololive. They certainly were not worth a second generation dumped onto the scene less than 6 months later. I'm not a Stars fan in the slightest, but I can acknowledge there is a niche audience for them. Managements problem was that they thought it wasn't just a niche and that the market would be far larger then it actually was and they wasted almost a year trying to convince a marketplace that prefers the girls that boys were just as good. Absolute brainlet moment from them.

>>56154313
>I don't call kronii a whore to get her to stop doing these collabs, I call her a whore so all her genmates will see it and decide they do not want to receive the same treatment
Based as fuck. And considering Kronii hasn't done intergender collabs for awhile and she banned all mentions of Tempus from her chat, the backlash may have actually made her stop anyway.

>>56154329
>>56153954
Retards can’t read graphs which I guess is understandable. It’s an average including all the girls numbers a time when Kiara could reach 10k solo with the right buff. A time that died in August 2022. Council peaked at 90k for their debut ccv while Advent all broke 100k some getting 120k

>>56151176
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HOLY SHIT

>>56148665
This is absurd revisionism, what you are talking about was the massive amount of spam that the sisters and shills did like with the retarded "magging" that invaded the board for a couple of days and then we never saw again.

It is hard to establish how the majority was feeling about, specially with the shilling campaign inbetween, but I'd go as far as to say that most of us simply didn't give a fuck and wanted EN3 already instead.

>>56154769
>we fixed her!
Cope.

>they do keep to themselves
>casually forgetting the purple "first male holobird" homo

>>56154769
The only person she collabed with from tempus is on Hiatus or suspended

>>56154640
>This is shit that abusive boyfriends do
Cry moar, homosister. Gatekeeping isn't always pretty but it's always necessary. Also it's pretty funny you're equating some random Anon calling Kronii a whore to an abusive boyfriend. Your sense of reality is pretty fucked up. Did you come here from twitter?

>>56141389
Tempus was a mistake but ill take any numbers with debuts influence with a heavy dose of skepticism on how long they will last.

>>56154834
That many sisters don't form overnight retard, it was pretty clearly this board holding out hope they would be their so called brotubers who would beat the uprising of luxiem which was popular at the time

>>56154834
What do you mean it’s hard? I’ll show you a neat numbers trick go check advent’s subs and debut ccv then compare it to the homos. You’ll have your answer immediately

>>56154991
So you think they’ll perform worse than the homos a year from now?

>>56154704
There is a market. The mistake is using the same hiring standards when the bar should be an order of magnitude higher for males.

>>56155007
I clearly said sisters AND SHILLS, which in fact, also tried to push that silly "brotuber" narrative you now mentioned.

>>56155027
Please read again, I was talking about the majority regarding /vt/, not about their chats or viewers.

>>56154989
Shaming a person isn't going to work that will just make them and there friends resent you more dipshit

>>56141389
Yes.

>>56143509
Coni is amazing

Whatever fits your narrative. Does any of this fucking matter anymore?

>>56154891
>Cope.
Spamming the word "cope" isn't an argument, sister.

>>56154978
Kronii stopped collabing with Vesper and banned his name before he went AWOL. So that isn't the reason she cut it out.

>>56155170
This is a business.

>>56155170
>Shaming a person isn't going to work
Are you sure? Because it sure seems to be working.

>>56155321
Go back to your containment thread, cuck.

>>56154252
Homohangers want to watch the character, if anything the person behind it injecting their own IRL thoughts & beliefs into that experience ruins the immersion. See: Fauna going from the queen of EN to a satan figure cuz she dared answer a question honestly. What she said was factual, but it dropped the kayfabe too hard and shattered the illusion for GFE schizos.
Many viewers - especially /here/ - don't want the character they enjoy interacting with men whatsoever. But they don't have a say in whether the streamer themselves wants to. So by this point the butthurt is aimed squarely at the males for being introduced in the first place. If they hadn't been, the IRL-girls-behind-the-anime-girls wouldn't have had close male coworkers to even consider regularly collabing with.

>>56155170
Yes it works. Shame is a tool that's been used for ages to enforce social codes.

>>56155439
>no argument
Kek. I accept your surrender, sister.

>>56153954
Actually I'd say it was around Jan/Feb of 21, but generally yeah. Kiara filtered some people with her new mic after moving, mori was constantly 'tired', Ame was doing fine back then I think.. Ina too and Gura lost some zoomies. Latter used to get 40-50K EZ, then it went down to 30-40K and nowadays even as being an event streamer she gets less. SCs have gone way down etc, barely any new audience and old whales are running out of money. It has affected JPs too, but less so. At least they have more accessible merch

>>56150727
>want to grow
retard. you literally have the pic as OP. temshit is nothing but negative. unprofitable and problematic audience.

>>56154313
BASED

It's funny for all the retards defending Fubuki that she and Choco are literally getting spitroasted by some Stars right now and she even did a misleading hype stream leading up to it where she drew in the usual audience just to cuck them all at the end.

>>56154313
>>56154989
I'm saving those posts. "Unicorns don't harass holos, homos do it!" my ass lmao

>>56146058
>It's the reason why nobody talks about Altere anymore. All his pigs went for the second stars group.
Qrd? His fan meet sold fast but I do notice there's no longer an altyume in cbdct. What happened?

>>56155862
Why are you so fascinated by cuck fantasies anon

>>56150930
Least retarded homosister. Learn to properly read a graph

>>56155899
Don't make me link that Kanata clip, or when a beggar begged IRyS.

>>56155899
Yeah, go ahead and start cherry-picking random posts to tar everyone with the same brush. You're the one who will look like a moron.

>>56142265
Omegay shot zerself with it.

>>56156220
I can own the chuds by letting them fuck my wife. Checkmate Christians

>>56155593
It must be fun to make shit up

>>56155170
You're right, hence why kronii and mori spammed those collabs with tempiss. Because they wanted to own their haters. Too bad they had to kneel, in the end.

>>56155862
>did a misleading hype stream leading up to it where she drew in the usual audience just to cuck them all at the end.

Pretty sure that's enna and this is not a niji thread.

>>56156220
I'm sorry you misread my post as a compliment of their womanly ways. I think Fubuki's tactics are just as bad as Ollie or Bae. But my fantasies do allow me to forgive someone like Choco because I know her womb is aching to be filled and clearly the herbivore males aren't getting it done before she ages out so I can see why she's willing to degrade herself like this. It's not any worse than her whoring herself out with that fat Georgian bitch from VShojo.

>>56155321
>banned his name before he went AWOL
proof?

>>56155862
Saying the whores are worth more than homos isn’t defending it’s a sad truth

>>56155862
Sora shills or has interacted with homos too and she is the premiere idol, you can go fuck yourself

>>56156999
She’s a whore to

>>56156387
Kiara and Mori used to get 60K+$ monthly SCs, how much are they getting now? The used to get 10K+ viewers EZ at first. Kiara dropped to like 6K when playing the most boring rice loli game ever, how much are they getting now? Anyway, you can cry, deflect and pretend to be a mythfag all you want to further your ebin homo culture war, but people who were back then remember how it was and know what's up.

>>56157117
I get to decide that since I'm a full-fledged human while you are one of the sub-varietal

>>56157183
BASED

>>56150727
Sister, are you not looking at OP's graph? Homos didn't help to grow, not even mantain what myth and council achieved, they were a net negative

>>56156999
Cool. The EN homos are still bottom of the barrel garbage and menheras worse than any of the girls and the JPs are boring, uninteresting and lack any drive to improve save 2 of them. You can keep watching them if you want but as much as you sisters complain about numberfags their numbers reflect their quality as streamers, especially when they have the fucking HOLO brand attached to them. When small corpos who practically have no space are growing bigger than a bunch of faggots who had everything given to them on a silver platter including being part of a 200k viewers stream on Hololive's main channel and shitty animations that were forced into the Youtube algo you know there's something wrong.

>>56157477
I don't care about the homos, I just like shitting on shit like it deserves like that anon

>>56157117
But enough about your mother

>>56157662
Sure you don't, sister.

>>56157150
>Jan/Feb 2021
Mori’s largest super chat stream was her first anniversary 09/2021, 2-4 are from 2022 and 5 is 12/2021. Also number 6 is from 2023 so what’s the next goalpost? Would you like to use ccv? vods? music? You’re wrong

>>56157715
>I'm not allowed to shit on a faggot who is calling Fubuki and Sora a whore
Yeah you can go kill yourself you son of a whore, you are worse than the homobeggers

>>56157183
Well her numbers are horrendous and her only claim is being first. Take that win sister

>>56157761
Defending them just makes you a cuck so go ahead

>>56157761
>thread shitting on the homos
>get baited by retard shitting on members like Fubuki and Sora
If you're not a beggar then you're a fucking retard, but only beggars continue to use Sora as their main argument to justify the existence of their garbage homos.

>>56157716
>anni getting more than usual is supposed to disprove my point
>t-t-t-these exceptions to the rule disprove you!!!!
Uh-huh, like I said, cry harder, deflect as much as you want, but it won't prove you right. You and scizos that you circlejerk with are the only ones buying that and your opinion is lower than dirt.

>>56157836
>>56157910
>>56157941
These sons of bitches actually think they have the higher moral ground holy shit, actually kill yourselves nobody would miss you faggots

be honest anons, you wanted tempus to succeed and become the next brotuber gen who's equal to luxiem but became disappointed in them. If we had bettel and Shinri or someone who doesn't do holocollabs, sprinkles in someone who likes to reach out for outside collabs and starsjp collabs, it would've been a good gen to start with. No-offensive, stays in their lane, starts slow, focusing on networking and building the stars box.

>This thread
>Replies above me
Please never ever say that it's the nijisisters shitting on the holos or forcing holo vs holo ever again
It's clearly your own kind holokeks

>>56158182
>>56158071
Homobegging faggots

>>56158241
>H-Homobegger!
Homosucking faggot

>>56158236
Got so assblasted on /#/ for trying shit up the thread with HoloID vs HoloID that you went catalog surfing? You nijinigs are truly subhuman.

>>56158316
I am not any of those posters above that are shitting on Sora, sorry friend

>>56158349
Nah, you're way too busy trying to pit Pekora against Miko or spamming about Shiori or Fauna on /#/ when your garbage branch is on a one way trip to get the NijiID/KR treatment.

>>56153954
>Even Advent couldn't beet the CCV of Council's debut 2 years ago.
Because tempus drove away a % of the fans to small corps, phase and idol inclined during this time

>>56158426
Whatever boogeyman helps you cope buddy, this is fucking sad

>>56158474
Not as sad as you who can't stop doing Holo vs Holo because not even Mysta on his graduation tour can put up a challenge. What's next, gonna post Fauna's or Mumei's dox for the 300th time?

>>56158428
>it's not our mediocre streamers singing the same songs and playing blockshit all the time
>it's not other corpos inclining and offering something else
>it's not us being insufferable brony-tier schizos and driving everyone away by sperging out
>it's not that people in general may lose interest over time
>it's EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS AT FAULT!!
You do you buddy :)

>>56154640
How could you tell?

>>56158428
>>56158682
You’re both wrong largest debut from council didn’t even beat smallest debut of advent. No one in council broke 100k

>>56158583
Shut the fuck up already jesus christ, this is genuine schizophrenia

>>56158762
Mad that I put the mirror right in front of your face?

>>56158759
That covers the main one, "it's not that people in general may lose interest over time" imo. That one applies to all of them. Doesn't matter if it's the 2 main pullers like Ina and Gura MIA for prolonged intervals or other corpos stealing people, but it applies either way.

>>56158801
IMAGINE trying to defend faggots who are shitting on Sora and Fubuki by projecting an assortment of boogeymen onto me from thin air, I have no doubt that kind of shitflinging actually happens but holy shit you are pathetic for defending such subhuman

>>56158870
I'm not defending anyone, just pointing out that you can use Sora all you want but that still won't make your homos in any way interesting.

>>56159019
and I agree? I already said I don't give a fuck about the homos but I won't stand for subhumans shitting on Sora

>>56155007
>hope
>for brotubers
Astroturfers are not representatives of the entire fandom

>>56155531
This is the most succinct explanation of the homobeggar vs CGDCTfag war that has been ongoing since the first HoloxTempus collab. One gate keeping like a Medieval castle and the other roaming around as a nomadic warband looking to infiltrate at any opportunity.

>>56158682
>it's not us being insufferable brony-tier schizos and driving everyone away by sperging out
This schizos trying to force homos was what pushed to small corpos

>>56159108
Stop biting bait retard the only queen of EN is Gura

>>56155170
Niji is imploding, vshojo got split, small corpos are adopting holo's model rather than niji's, the grifter indie whores are starving and the surviving ones are going all in on GFE, it just works

>>56158182
>be honest anons, you wanted tempus to succeed and become the next brotuber gen who's equal to luxiem but became disappointed in them
Honestly? Well.... no

>>56148665
>vesper was a kind old man
But he is...
Not gonna reply to your shitposts btw

>>56159503
Male vtubers are gay anyone that wants them to work is gay or Japanese so disappointing all the same

>>56159750
His only crime ever was existing and talking to girls who could be his daughters in terms of age under the context of entertainment

>>56159808
Was that the reason for his first suspension or the current one?

>>56141389
>t. never heard of debut buff

>>56160022
Homobegging faggot they are doing better in subs and superchats. Even after the buff their ccv and vods will be better than them

>>56159055
those niggers are clearly google play credits farming nijiniggers trying to stir shits

>>56141389
>delaying en3 for tempus 1 and 2
this still never happened you mindbroken faggots

>>56159216
lmao if that line offended you so much I didn't mean anything by it. Fauna was the name I was most consistently seeing in CCV comparisons and CGDCT circlejerks as the standard HoloEN should be aspiring to. Right up until the "friends" incident. Now I'll often see her on the same firing-squad lists as Kronii & Mori.

>>56155531
>satan figure
kek it's quite clear that most of those are shit stirring nijiniggers from discord

>>56160213
Whorobegging faggot they are still going to keep declining no matter how much you want to accelerate

>>56154834
>most of us simply didn't give a fuck and wanted EN3 already instead.
I would argue that most people thought it was too early for an EN3 yet (the expected date back then was October) and that most genuine reactions I saw were slightly positive to indifferent. Even then the "slightly positives" I saw were numberfags just anticipating them to mog NijiEN, which the support was dropped when:
>1. they were no consistently longer pulling above-nijiEN numbers, and
>2. they were now retardedly affecting the main holoEN experience

>>56160246
Explain why it took that long for EN3 to come out, then?
It's not that they had EN3 but asked the members to wait, but that they likely prioritized debuting Tempus over EN3

>>56160427
They might lose the debut buff but won't be the meteoric crash that the homos had, and shit will only get worse for them when the two retards get the boot.

>>56160022
Debut buff is a thing, but even with debut buff, Tempus was still dragging HoloEN numbers down as can be seen on that chart.
Advent's debut buff might fade in time, but I doubt they will drop back down to the record-low HoloEN was at just before EN3 announcement

>>56160476
>Explain why it took that long for EN3 to come out, then?
Council didn't do as good as they expected.

>>56160315
Threadmakers, sure. Some of the incensed, elaborate comments that get baited in by those threads are from clearly anons who hold a big-ass grudge.

>>56160615
How did that all out war go?

>>56160524
They won't have a "meteoric crash" because they have preexisting branch members to hide that. 120k to 4view is quite the plummet and it'll only keep going down

>>56160476
>>56160615
>>56160686
Sadly you’re both correct. EN3 was delayed to get the homos out there but Council performing worse than Luxiem also played a role in it. Yagoo is a faggot

>>56160817
It sure will, sister.

>>56161190
I'm glad you agree.

>>56150886
Gura has average viewer-sub ratio in Myth due to her high CCV. She also has higher VoD numbers. For example Ame has 74k for her Pizza Tower stream against 1.75M subs compared to Gura's 327k against 4.36M subs. That puts the ratio for Ame's at 4.23% and Gura's at 7.5%. But guess what in the end it doesn't fucking matter if they have a trillion subs or not, their active numbers are all that matters, and Gura is still at the top. Ratio is literal meaningless cope and yes, I realize that also means total subs is a meaningless metric in itself.

>>56161392
And I'm glad you're already coping.