/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Have you tried streaming?

>She used to have a lot of gosling threads during her previous absences, What went wrong with Haachama besides crippling depression?

People stop caring about your hiatuses when you keep doing them. It's the same way there are no gosling threads about Ayame or Shion even though they stream like twice a month; it's just what you've come to expect.

>>5600704
haachama I know what it’s like to have schizophrenia my life is hell the only way out is suicide but I’m too scared to do it alone will you come with me haachama?

>>5600704
Her content has taken a nosedive, no one cares anymore

>>5601957
Okay but what can she do to fix this?

>>5602834
she should come to my house and sit on my face

I think it might be time to let Haachama go, lads. She's not long for this world.

>>5600704
This board is 90% newfags who weren't even around before the schizo arc

>>5600704
cover pro shills are not interested in keeping the fanbase alive
bad news everyone
graduation incoming

>>5603757
Thank god antichama is still here. Tbh the reason I haven't been posting is just I cant stand looking at this board knowing my chammers may not come back this time. But at least she told us so.

Grow up and realize how fortunate you are to make bank doing 5-10 hours of streaming a week

bros... I miss chammers... I miss late 2019/early 2020 chammers...

>>5603757
the schizo vids ruined her, retard redditors ruined every single normal stream she tried doing with their expectations and demands.
It was so painful to watch her try enjoying something and the chat spams faster than you could possibly read with “Yab!” And retardchama emotes. If she ever graduates I think it would be to leave that behind and just relax again without the redditors

>>5600704
I'm waiting for her to say or do something. Otherwise, the less I think about it the better.

>>5603900
Not antichama, just pointing out why it seems like no one cares about her on this board anymore. I think the rest of us are just too tired to carry on.

Haachama doesn't even like vtubing which is why she made retarded-ass videos and why she left
There's no saving her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd6UnJoO3Eo

>>5604490
We're all waiting for her to come back, Watame.

>>5604209
ogey

>>5600704
>What went wrong with Haachama
Taiwan

>>5600704
I have made nearly all of her generals starting with the March hiatus. Every hiatus is just a bunch of shitflinging, one person calling everyone an EOP, and graduation rrats. The threads don't actually lead to anything good or fun so there is 0 reason for me to keep making them

>>5600704
they kicked her off the EN minecraft server and made her delete her shit, meanwhile Kiara can make an ugly KFP shop on the JP server.
>wants to be accepted
>rejected
and here we are.

>>5603757
do u rember?
I rember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d3ElV4Sl_Q&t=1s

Because her star has waned and people have oved on since they see her graduation as not only inevitable, almost welcomed since she isn't entertaining anymore. I hope she finds peace and happiness, her job gives her neither.

>first two gens
>Cover hire 6 teenagers
>the next 7 gens from all branches
>Cover hires only 2 teenagers
The chickens have finally come home to roost.

>>5610489
>and made her delete her shit
Wait, did they delete her things? fucking Emma son of a bitch! wtf Ollie got his things left and he visited the server several times, I dont watch EN and and I will never do it
EN it's a mistake

>>5600704
I'll definitely talk about her when (if) she comes back, but what is there to talk about now?

I think her cooking simulator stream is one of the funniest streams in all of hololive, and she's creative at Minecraft. Add in some singing and fan interaction, and she wouldn't have anything to worry about.

>>5600704
I just got tired of the cacophony. It seemingly wasn't going anywhere and started to feel repetitive. It's like listening to white noise.

Sorry Chama.

This might come off as a rant so I apologize beforehand.
I miss her creative minecraft streams, built a lot of good shits like the treehouse resort, her new holo house when she decided to move from the treehouse and the big ass church, all while interacting with the viewers about her life in strayan land and sometimes doing English only stream while building those.
I don't even mind some of the first Haachama cooking streams, as it's just her genuinely being pretty shit at cooking. But once it went for long enough it just felt like her purposely throwing random shits into the pot for entertainment value.
Then came the schizo episodes. Honestly at this point I don't even know what went wrong anymore. Is it the sudden fame where she got subs surge after the memey Haachama cooking? Or is it just her thinking this is the entertainment that people crave? The brat has always been kinda strange in the head even during all those comfy minecraft streams but not on this level.

>>5611327
Thats how it felt to me, pandering and forced. While i dont mind improvising stuff and adapting to new things, it felt like she didnt think it through and went to town with it until she put herself into a corner not knowing how to get out of it.

>>5610452
I was wondering what happened to those threads. Any thoughts on the questions posed in the OP?

WHAT DAY ARE WE AT NOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANY MORE

>>5611327
I agree that she seems to have forced additional craziness into whatever she does. I am not sure if it was for her own entertainment value or for the entertainment of her fans. I wonder what in the world she was thinking during the Minecraft Contest interruption other than "haha, this is a big surprise!" The contest was interesting and didn't need a twist like that.

>>5600704
>Haachama can barely sustain a single thread on this board
Good I can't wait for Australian arc Haatons to leave

>>5610759
EN and the audience they brought in ruined both Haato and Coco.
I can only imagine how much fun they're having in the timeline where EN either didn't happen or just stayed small.

>>5611771
>Muh EN boogeyman
There are a lot of reasons for Haato to go on hiatus and Coco graduation and none of it was because of EN

What would you even wanna talk about that hasn't been said a million times? Maybe if there was an end date to this hiatus there would be a reason for more threads, but not like this

>>5611771
Can you explain how the ruined Haato? Is it just the push for lore content?

>>5612157
People will often state what they don't like about what she has done. I want to know what she can do to redeem herself.

>>5612500
Nothing. She needs to graduate since she doesn't like doing anything. If she liked doing something then she should just do that and not worry if people like it.

Remember when nu-haatons spammed threads about some indie who sorta sounded like chammers, claimed it was her and breeched containment? As much as it sucks there's just not a lot to talk about now
>legions of coomers are useless
you're surprised by this? coomers only stick around if you pander to them, they're only useful as a boost to numberfag and contribute nothing otherwise

>>5612649
I honestly think this has been the case because depression prevented her from feeling any joy at all.

>>5612923
Shion...

>>5612835
Lewd review and lewd lines are stunts that attract viewers that are mostly interested in her doing something crazy. Yes, it just pads her subscriber count. Most of them probably don't give a fuck about her song.

She should just delete all her ASMR. She constantly pandered to coomers when she openly advertised her ASMR as lewd. I have no idea what value Haachama saw in padding her membership with people who joined because of ASMR.

>>5600704
too much shit almost everyday + she being not active

>>5604062
>I miss late 2019/early 2020 chammers...
I think a lot of people here are literally too new to understand the "watching haachama in early to mid 2020" experience and just think of her as le schizo chuuba.

Wait

What

>>5600704
She needs to do what she did before the hiatus to "recover" her career. Her numbers were extremely good in 2021 - when she was streaming - beating out her other gen mates easily including FBK. She profited among the most from the EN boost after September because she was creative and intelligent enough to understand what EOP audiences like - even those that might not want to watch JPs - and was able to work around Cover restrictions by constantly reinventing herself.

What she really needs to do is understand her own feelings. How is she handling the new Cover rules, her life outside of Hololive and what is now happening with Coco? Can she change to fit into what management would expect from her, can she start streaming regularly again? Or is it going to be a burden and she will constantly suffer and have to keep taking menhera breaks?

Because if it's the latter she will have to decide if she really wants this suffering or if she can find other ways for her creative side to shine.

Here's my rrat: Haachama, contrary to popular opinion, actually loves streaming. But she's now back home with a domineering, pious mother who doesn't find it amusing that her daughter has been making money off horny otakus with her blonde bimbo anime avatar. Her sudden hiatuses all occur after fights with her mother over the direction of her life and what she considers responsible behavior for a young lady.
Exhibit A: her new single. Basically a song about how she wants to go back to being the high school girl who could stream Minecraft every night and not worry about her mother or expectations about college/career.
Exhibit B: her most recent hiatus began the day before her scheduled tarantula cookoff. She may have had plans to cook something spidery herself, but her mother wasn't having it.
This also means that Coco is a false flagging whore, and that Cover "banning" her horror videos was a rrat. Haachama privated them because she was embarrassed by them and only kept doing them because it's what her fans seemed to want.

>>5602834
make a regular weekly schedule and stick to it for a month or two, the goodwill she had with her fanbase is spent and need to be earned though hard work

She's in Watame's basement.

>>5613515
That's a random playlist formulated from your viewing history.

she lost JOPs with her schizo shit and is having an existential crisis.

>>5610489
I didn't keep up with this drama, what really happened on the EN Minecraft server with Haachama?

Haatons are also in Hiatus

>>5613554
Interesting analysis. However, I don't think her lack of direction before the hiatus was due to restrictions imposed by management. Instead, it felt like she simply had no clue what her goals are now. She became popular but is still immature in her skills, including singing. It seems like she has a case of imposter syndrome. She feels like she has nothing that makes her stand out among her colleagues besides acting extra stupid and pulling stunts. According to her, she cobbles together content at the last minute on a whim. It's completely. hit or miss.

>>5611510
I think a good amount is real life stuff. Whatever academic stuff she has going on, going back to Japan where you have to reestablish a social circle, having one of your good friends quit, and having some restrictions on what content you're allowed to make and who you're allowed to work with are all stressful and frustrating, so she's probably tired from that and is prioritizing other things first (which is totally fair).
Just streaming more + having more variety would fix the viewership issues. The schizo/lore arc is divisive, she doesn't play games at all besides MC & Tetris, and the only other things she does regularly are fan content reviews and karaoke/zatsudans. She needs to add more diversity to her content because a lot of people were thinking her stream schedule was repetitive.
The new song isn't upbeat or catchy, which leads to more views & thus algorithm recommendations + repeat views. She hasn't been streaming so her content isn't being pushed by it at all either besides to people going back & looking at her older stuff.
>>5614231
You're right at least for me. I have 2 streamers I still watch, but even then I only watch them for an hour or 2 each week. I barely even browse here anymore unless some of my friends mention specific threads, such as this one.

>>5612500
I like her new content way more. She just needs to not stress herself as much, maybe cut down on the lore or just show fan content without as much of trying to built a whole storyline

>>5614377
What do you consider her new content?

>>5614250
Haachama's randomness and schizo shitposting is her best trait. Fans who just want a GFE Haato don't deserve her brilliance.

>>5614223
She was told to delete her stuff, block by block, and leave the server. Yes, really.

>>5614488
you have a proof anon? bc I only know that was banished and banned from server

>>5614531
dont you find it odd that she had to take her stuff apart brick by brick, while other people can build stuff on JP server without issue?

>>5614542
yes and making her take her own things is too much, that's why I ask for proof and if that true fucking Emma

>>5614640
It's management, not the girls cause they don't give a shit about blocks on a server

>>5614488
But why?

Also, this girl spent years (half-assedly) studying English abroad because she chose to do so. This was an opportunity for her to bond with native English speakers and motivate her to improve her English. if she doesn't stream in English, where else will she find the motivation to use English? She will have wasted years of her life.

>>5614689
Wish I knew, it's better when streamers work together

>>5614663
Emma isnt the name/nick of the management? (I am not aware of the EN)

>>5614689
She wasn't banned. She left because she felt like she was imposing on her EN kouhais by spending so much time in their server.
The indogs flooded EN's server months later with zero resistance.
And the Watame video upthread proves that she's not banned. When Watame texted her that they should go play with EN, Haachama jumped at the call.

>>5600704
Just let her go on "hiatus" in peace. She'll be happier.

I miss her but I want her happiness and everybody saw she wasn't happy anymore after, for some reason (my rrat is ENMA complaints), the 3/3 incident. Could be her family, cover management, tiredness, adolescence, absence of new ideas, idk. Surely, Coco graduation was the nail in the coffin.
Now I just want to know her roommate account to find if ever she'll able to start a new career. She is talented in VA. I hope hear her again in some anime or movie.

Let's not forget she'll attend Coco's graduation stream!

>>5610729
Who was hired as teenager other than Haachama and Matsuri?

>>5613289
keep repeating it and it might come true

I love her and nothing will change that. Her voice makes my soul smile and instantly ends my suicidal rumination. I hope she comes back, but if she doesn't/it's just a prelude to graduation then I hope she enjoys herself and is successful in whatever her future endeavors are

>>5600704
>The legion of coomers has proven useless.
says you

>>5610452
I thought this was the case, so thanks. Threads would be more productive when there’s news. Only thing we have to go on are Watame reports

>>5614784
Go back and listen to what Watame said; she literally had no idea Haachama even did streams on the Minecraft EN server so she wouldn’t know about Haachama potentially having been banned from it

From the sounds of things, including Pekoras case, there’s someone— could be ANYONE, a manager, higher ups, shareholders, etc — that actively stop girls from doing certain things. Maybe they’re not there anymore or things changed, but someone deliberately blocked Haachama and Pekora. Or it could be miscommunication with shitty managers.

Whether or not it’s china related, sometimes there are shitty employees that will just do shit because they don’t like someone and that’s the case for a lot of workplaces

Then again, huke has his stuff nuked too, I think? Or he wasn’t allowed on.

The whole EN server thing is ridiculous because only like 2 or 3 of them play on it, if at all, they should just join the JP server

THIS PICTURE KILLS THREADS

>>5614488
No she wasn't you lying sack of shit, the EN girls LITERALLY MADE A MONUMENT TO HER ON THEIR SEVER

>>5601957
What content?

>>5604716
Watame is such a sweet girl.

>>5614721
Enma is the nickname, guy was probably phone posting.

>>5602834
drop the schizo shit, please

>>5613719
How to out yourself as EOP, the post. Literally everything you wrote is wrong on every single level.

>>5614223
>>5614488
>>5614531
>>5614542
>>5614640
>>5614663
>>5614689
>>5614710
>>5614784
>>5617850
>>5617900
Haachama herself said she was banned.
https://youtu.be/tJOyOUuhfkE?t=1887
>Why am I leaving server anyways? Because I'm not Hololive English! Because I'm not official Hololive English. (long pause) I'm banned.

>>5600704
I'm waiting until at least a few days after Coco's graduation to make actual haachama threads, the board is a disaster right now

>>5604490
Of course Watame is the one who can bring stability to even the most menhera holo.

>>5614689
>she chose to do so
uhhh......

>>5622519
This single clip made me remember why she inclined so hard. I forgot how hilarious the combination of her shitty English, bluntness and awkward pauses could be.

>>5614047
Is that true? Her numbers absolutely exploded around that time, catapulting her past 1m subs. All that was overseas?

>>5625407
That's just something her haters like to throw around. There's no way to prove where all the extra viewers came from, but they blame EOPs for everything anyway even though they too are EOPs.

>>5625407
don't reply to that retard, he unironically believes most haatons on this board discovered haachama after february and that english-only patricians don't member or superchat so they don't count

>>5613554
>She needs to do what she did before the hiatus to "recover" her career. Her numbers were extremely good in 2021 - when she was streaming - beating out her other gen mates easily including FBK. She profited among the most from the EN boost after September because she was creative and intelligent enough to understand what EOP audiences like - even those that might not want to watch JPs - and was able to work around Cover restrictions by constantly reinventing herself.
This. Despite what retarded haters would lead to you to believe, there was nothing wrong with the content she was doing before her hiatus. Yes, even the "schizo"/lore. These streams actually pull in crazy numbers, sometime much higher than her usual streams. Even their view counts reflect their popularity. But of course, antis don't want you to know that.

What's most decremental to her career is her constant hiatus. If she'd would just stop taking breaks and stream with a consistent schedule, I'm confident that no matter what she does, even if she goes on another "schizo arc", her fanbase will eventually recover.

>>5613554
>She needs to do what she did before the hiatus to "recover" her career. Her numbers were extremely good in 2021 - when she was streaming - beating out her other gen mates easily including FBK. She profited among the most from the EN boost after September because she was creative and intelligent enough to understand what EOP audiences like - even those that might not want to watch JPs - and was able to work around Cover restrictions by constantly reinventing herself.
This. Despite what retarded haters would lead to you to believe, there was nothing wrong with the content she was doing before her hiatus. Yes, even the "schizo"/lore. These streams actually pull in crazy numbers, sometimes much higher than her usual streams. Even their view counts reflect their popularity. But of course, antis don't want you to know that.

What's most decremental to her career is her constant hiatus. If she'd would just stop taking breaks and stream with a consistent schedule, I'm confident that no matter what she does, even if she goes on another "schizo arc", her fanbase will eventually recover.

>>5600704
Who would've thought Haachama leaving Australia would be the end of her

>>5600704
>what does she need to do to recover her career when she returns?
Honestly I don't think she'll ever be happy as long as she's with Cover. A label with more freedom and without the Hololive audience would be a better fit. She could make the content she wants and cultivate an audience that doesn't get weird about it because they have expectations of her to be like the other girls. The last time management stepped in really hit her hard.

>>5611771
>EN and the audience they brought in ruined both Haato and Coco
Revisionist bullshit. Your timeline doesn't even add up retard.

>>5600704
she gets plenty of attention when she's actually doing things. but it would seem that even that retard spamming the ERMAHGIRD ITZ BEEN FIVE MINUTES SINCE SHE STREAMED I'M GONNA DIIIIIIE faggot got bored of being spammy about breakchama taking breaks. either that or he finally got it over with and became An Hero.
this tapering off of attention is to be expected, of course - the faggots she attracted with the schizochama arc are the sort that wander off if not engaged continually enough. breakchama can only take so many breaks before they leave... but maybe that's the point. maybe her excessive time off is an attempt to get those faggots gone so she can actually do anything else besides feed them. maybe do a different story arc instead, further exercising creative writing skills instead of spinning her wheels trying to figure out how to continue with
>I KILL ME AND THEN I KILL ME BACK THEN I SWAP HEADS WITH ME AND...
long past the point where she'd already realized she didn't know where she wanted the story to go, like the fag who was responsible for that one western zombie show on ... hbo? I think, who got to the end of his story but the fans kept clamoring for more and he got forced to drag it out and quality nosedived as a result.
>>5604062
haato was certainly better at that time. when she was chaotic but not just a one-note meme about insanity.
>>5611327
>>5611392
>>5611633
that's pretty much the thing, ain't it. her entertaining goofball self was comfy and worthwhile, but then people got hung up on the weirdo mode stuff and pushed her to keep escalating it, and then the schizo story overtook her; she even said it herself after coming back from the break when she got bonked over the self-harm implication stuff, she wasn't sure where she was going with the story by that point and had meant to end it... and then after that she went back into it, presumably because the "fans" she'd attracted were only there for that and were likely spamming the shit out of her about it.
>>5614721
"enma" is the name ina uses to refer to her manager. anon became obsessed and thinks everything they don't like is the work of ina's manager, even if it's something completely out of her pay grade to have any influence on.
>>5628223
>aaaaa everyone who doesn't like muh schizochama arc is a retarded hater!
(you) and your fellow nu-haatons need to neck yourselves instead of trying to force her to be your meme of choice.
>>5628523
(you) need to accept that no matter who she's with, she's going to have to avoid pushing at youtube's rules and japanese laws. doesn't matter if she's with cover, anycolor, or anyone else.
>oh, then she should go indie!
on one hand then she could just bandodge and start over whenever youtuber gets pissed. on the other hand, it's a lot harder to amass subs and income if you keep having to make a new channel every few months because you keep making youtube (actually google) throw tantrums.
of course, it's a non-issue if she isn't continuing to drag out an overplayed self-destruction story arc that she's long since out of material for and has ended up looping around with.
people don't even expect her to "be like the other girls". they want her to be herself and have fun, and not be locked into a gimmick she's sick of just to make a horde of /b/tards happy at the expense of everyone else.

>>5614250
>She feels like she has nothing that makes her stand out among her colleagues besides acting extra stupid and pulling stunts.
Which is obviously not true because her Haachama-Haato dual character shtick is unique among her JP colleagues. Even the JP bros realized this:

https://seesaawiki.jp/hololivetv/d/%C0%D6%B0%E6%A4%CF%A4%A2%A4%C8
>紆余曲折を経て恐怖の二重人格系Vtuberとして再誕を果たした。

What she actually needs to do now is to figure out how to utilize that in a different way other than just HAATO KILLS HAACHAMA and vice versa ad infinitum. For example, she could do a story arc with just one of them for a while and have the other come in at some later point in the story to bring in some plot twist or whatever. That was her plan in her time travel arc, with it having the setup & a great premise but she dropped all of that when she came back after the 2nd hiatus and instead just repeats what she was doing in February, with less than half the commitment.

As >>5614404 said:
>Haachama's randomness and schizo shitposting is her best trait. Fans who just want a GFE Haato don't deserve her brilliance.

>>5629682
>this is who calls you a schizo
>this is who tells you to "touch grass"
>this is who copies your memes (poorly)
>this is who calls you a nostalgia fag

just remember that.

>>5600704
>what does she need to do to recover her career when she returns
get rid of the lorefags and do more collabs. even if Cover is a piece of shit that won't let her have fun she could probably still do okay playing minecraft and being a weirdo.

>>5600704
Why should I give a shit about a girl who doesn't care about her fans? She's a dumb teenager who doesn't realize or is at least incredibly ungrateful for the rare and precious position she's in. How many breaks does she have to go on before deluded Haatons realize she doesn't even like streaming or being a vtuber anymore?

>>5632673
Yes anon because some people priorities school over streaming

>>5633521
school excuse has always been a rrat