/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Yes actually. They are also legit Holo fans too. Not even joking if somehow you have not watched them yet. Beware they are like Luna tier kayfabe however so if you like that you'll be set but otherwise it's take a moment to get used to.

>>55978925
BAU BAU

>>55979078
Which arent nice to fans?

>>55978925
They make me smile.

>>55978925
They seem like good people. They tried to get into holo like 5 times

>>55979133
This

>>55978925
they promised to protect my smile and they're doing a great job so far.
the problem is my cheeks hurt from smiling too much now.

They are nice so far, but I'm worried. The other EN girls keep trying to break their keyfabe, and the comments are also full of people who can't wait to see them break keyfabe. I'm worried they'll succumb to peer pressure. That they'll become just like everyone else. And my smile will no longer be protected.

>>55979789
Hoping they keep up the keyfabe. Its what makes them unique.

>>55978925
No, Mococo refuses to rub the ruffians' tummies.

>>55979124
All of holoEN has moments where it feels like they hate their fanbase. The retarded dogs seem like they are incapable of feeling hate.

>>55978925
Fuwamoco is the JP experience translated for EN

>>55980244
https://youtu.be/VrPGNdw9ekg

>>55980443
>people do not see us as people
God I hate this faggot. No you're not a person. You are entertainment. You are a product. Unless you're going to stream with your real face, real name and real feelings, then you're not a real person. You are a fucking product, so act like it. If you don't want people digging up shit, engage in good opsec and don't bring your personal feelings into your career.

God why is EN so insufferable with this shit? JP fans are way more psychotic and yet you never hear about this shit from anyone on the JP side. They just get on with the fucking job of being entertainers. All this proves to me is Vox's heart is not in this and never was. If your heart is really in it, no level of psychotic fans could stop you from loving getting to be an anime boy all day, play games, talk about the things you love and be as close to being 2D as possible. He just wants to be a streamer and make money, nothing about him has ever screamed to me that he cared about the being a vtuber specifically.

>>55980837
Nijisanji EN unironically is a commie branch.
Literally all of them pander to sjw troons. Post Obsydia Nijisanji probably did the most damage to western vtubing, specially Luxiem.

>>55981052
I legit quit watching vtubers after Luxiem
Fuwamoco brought me back

They need to stop hiring normalfags and hire former idols like kiara and suisei

>>55978925
Watch a stream maybe?

>>55981142
>like kiara
numberfag

>>55980039
Well, I don't mind the girls breaking their kayfabe once in a while when the situation calls for it. Idk, they break kayfabe in a split second during a horror scene, or a yandere scene in a visual novel... you get what I'm saying? Just don't overdo it. Chat will go wild.

>>55981142
Luxiem streams are like male prostitution twitch streams. Plus nijitroons discovering 4chan and flooding their doxxsite.

>supposed to be demon dogs
>are actually really nice and sweet
Are we being tricked?

>>55981232
Yeah?

>>55980837
Man its a real mystery why vtubers don’t like you

>>55979124
Mori, Kronii, Fauna and Ame.

>>55980837
Holy shit bro chill the fuck out already...

>>55980837
Based chad

>>55981882
>fauna
Where???

>>55980837
This hobby has been hijacked by normie ironic "anime fans". Move on. There's nothing you can do about it.

>>55982314
>ironic weeb
Is this the new /vt/ buzzword, I‘m suddenly seeing this everywhere

>>55982314
It's the ironic weeb schizo again...

>>55981768
Good. I hope all the normalfags who ruined this niche die. They're a cancer on the industry. I haven't watched a lot of fuwamoco but they are a god sent proving that being a vtuber isn't just about having a fucking anime avatar, it's an entire unique brand in of itself and also proving that the full kayfabe is actually popular and people are kind of bored of the "a regular streamer just with an anime avatar" schtick.

>>55982029
https://voca.ro/14HX1vvC2vwG

>>55982427
>>55982481
>>/vt/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=ironic+weeb&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

You know we can all easily see that you aren't from here when you start bitching about very common terms that have been used since the boards inception right Discord?

>>55982609
Twitch thots will move on to another trend eventually, Hololive total domination soon.

>>55982668
It's one thing to use it occasionally, another to include it EVERY SINGLE POST you make because they make you seethe so much. Literally schizo behavior.

>>55982427
buzzword or not it's true, trash taste brought a bunch of faggots who can't enjoy anything anime without coating it in irony.

>>55978925
BAU BAU

>>55982840
Why the FUCK would anyone watch trash taste?

>>55983167
it was fun when they talked more about anime and japan in general at the beginnning, now it just feels like their personal diary and advertisement for their own channels.

>>55979133
I have been sleeping bad these last few days due to some irl stuff. Yesterday (today) I fell asleep after the karaoke during sc thanking. I only slept 5 hours but I slept so fucking well and no weird dreams and I woke up feeling something like happiness

>>55982668
nta but i'm here all the fucking time and i'm only just seeing it now too, i've probably seen it once or twice but it feels like someone just learned about the phrase and is now spamming it in every thread

>>55983167
To lust after the white girl

>>55982609
>REEEEE YOU ARE MY PRODUCT TO CONSUME, DANCE FOR ME MONKEY!!!!
It's good that HoloEN filters you, I thought gatekeeping was supposed to be a good thing?

>>55980837
>You are entertainment.
proving his point
>>55982314
>normie ironic "anime fans"
>normie
1. normalfags do not watch anime
2. learn to respond to people without using garbage fotm words you picked up on 4chan.

>>55982427(me)
>>55983259
It does see some use, generally used to complain about Mori, but I see it a lot more since Advent debuted then I have in awhile

>>55983535
>proving his point
I can't tell if you think this a clever comeback or not. Yes, I am proving his point, that's my entire point. If he doesn't like it, he shouldn't have decided to become a product.

>>55983259
Always around the same time of day too.

>>55983628
something something id

>>55982279
fauna despises the mommyfag audience, but loves the rest of her fans

https://youtube.com/shorts/fP0DidlV33k?feature=share

>>55979789
They won't break so easily anon, believe me.
It's really really refreshing to see someone take vtubing seriously, and go after the idol aspects with this much enthusiasm.
Believe in the FuwaMocco that believes in you...

>>55980837
It's crazy to me people get hired to play a role and then bitch about playing the role.

>>55980837
Vox is a huge faggot but he's right here

>>55985795
He isn't. Vox isn't a real person.

>>55985480
Playful mocking isn't the same as despises.

>>55985795
He's not you're right, he's a faggot

>>55979789
People who haven't done reps don't realize how strong their kayfabe game is. My main concern is other talents trying to "pull" them out of the kayfabe when Fuwamoco are clearly capable of bantering, having conversations, and giving real answers while being the demon dogs they are.

>>55979789
whores with anime avatars fear the bau bau.

>>55985795
He's wrong but you're right about him being a faggot

>>55985650
>sign up to be a celebrity
>surprised to find out, like any other celebrity, that you'll have crazy fans

He's actually retarded.

>>55980837
Holy based
Kill all nijisisters

poor wooden silent wild fake blissful crazy sophisticated extra-small oxygen snail noodle swallow power silver tumble allow kiss cry

>>55980244
Mumei has never shown hate to Hoomans.
The times she didn't feed them doesn't count

>>55981882
Ame did a fantastic job at tard wrangling her communicty. It was full of antis and goslingfags that were just as bad.

>>55983233
Yeah they need more industry guests like Aano, Arto Ken or even Kevin Penkin. Hard to find bilinguals I guess

>>55982279
I'm guessing the we are not friends thing, that's on the grey area for me since she had good intentions.

>>55980244
IRyS loves me and she has never done anything to hurt her fans (also me), don't you fucking dare say the oshi change shit because that's absolutely retarded.

>>55980837
If you try to make your fans treat you like a real person, you aren't an idol anymore, you become like any other normal person, a random online public figure.
The secrets to becoming a good idol/entertainer:
1. the ability to sacrifice your pride and personhood and LET the fans use you for their own satisfaction. Unhinged hornyposting, shipping and deeply personal speculation, while perhaps flattering sometimes, is mostly uncomfortable from the perspective of wanting to be treated like a person. You will not be turned on by a random NPC on the internet wanting to marry you or lick your tummy, but by accepting their expression, you can make them happy.
2. being able to derive happiness from making your fans happy (by letting them use you). It helps if you have been in the position of a diehard fan yourself so you understand their feelings. This leads to a positive feedback loop. Fan feels certain way about you -> accepting those feelings makes the fan happy -> making the fan happy makes you happy -> the fan senses your happiness, making them double happy (-> happiness keeps bouncing back and forth)
3. Protecting your purity. Simply, don't become an obvious slut, which can happen if you do the first two principles successfully but let things spiral out of control. By becoming a slut, your value gets diminished and the fans will eventually get tired and leave a more valuable, more pure, less "used" girl. The rule of letting your fans use you while not becoming slut might seem contradictory, but there is nuance. You want to accept your fan's feelings by not reacting negatively or judging them, but at the same time you shouldn't increasingly indulge in it, following them towards their lewd headspace. You should be following your own goals, letting the fans follow you, not the other way around.

Fuwamoco are doing this perfectly.

Western vtuber idols fail in variety of these categories.
- They get too stuck up protecting their boundaries and pride, thus becoming uptight and unlikeable
- They genuinely don't enjoy making their fans happy, making the exchange not emotionally reciprocal, which the fans will quickly notice
- They can't help becoming sluts, either due to raw temptation or due to aligning with sexual liberation culture.

Sorry unhinged blogpost

>>55985650
Which section of the vtuber contract covers the part about having psychotic fans sending you, your family and your friends death threats? How about spreading personal information such as your name and address?

>>55979789
Why would they? They are doing so well now with their concept. Shiori is the biggest keyfabe breaker in the group and she's falling behind everyone now. Even more so with her 10-day layoff.

>>55978925
>are the dogs cute?
yes

>>55988065
I posted this btw

Fauna had pretty fair intentions about the friends thing. It was not something that needed to be addressed though. Does this even happen in JP?

>>55989494
That's just being an influencer online lmao. If you aren't getting any death threats, you are a nobody.

>>55989494
>What part of being a celebrity means that people will obsess over you in unhealthy ways?
Well, the celebrity part.

>>55985855
you're autistic if you don't think she hates the mommyfags lmao. lewd-pandering is not the same as mommy-pandering.

>>55990164
I might be autistic, but at least my pattern matching isn't that of a schizo.

>>55990142
>fallacy
Having obsessed fans is not the same thing as being repeatedly doxxed and having lives repeatedly threatened. Can you or can you not point out where in any contract it is stated this comes with the job? A simple "yes" with an attached image or "no" will suffice. No spinning necessary.

>>55979789
>the comments are also full of people who can't wait to see them break keyfabe
How do we tell these normalfags that these dogs simply don't stop keyfabe? It's not in their dictionary

>>55990242
>Having obsessed fans is not the same thing as being repeatedly doxxed and having lives repeatedly threatened
Name one celebrity that doesn't get this.

> Can you or can you not point out where in any contract it is stated this comes with the job?
Why is this relevant? If I'm a professional athlete, is it stated that at some point I will become injured in my contract? Probably not. This is not a valid point in any way. It's part of the job.

>>55990679
>
Stopped reading there. So you concede, thank you for making this easy. I accept.

>>55987286
She was so good at tard wrangling that everybody got sick of putting up with her bullshit and left

>>55991060
i keep forgetting ame even exists... i gotta say i admire that in her, she doesnt force herself on anyone

>>55991149
She'll graduate to management one day. She seems to be an anchor for tech support throughout gens and events.

>>55990776

>>55990218
you need to watch an actual mommyfag-pandering vtuber my guy. Fauna does zero pandering, and I don't condone her for it, given how soul-draining it must feel. No, an ara ara voice after an akasupa isn't mommy-pandering. She also cringes extremely hard when holomems call her mommy

>>55983259
>nta but i'm here all the fucking time
Since when? Newfag much? it was thrown around for the mori collab with TT and its used on other board like /a/

immediate shimmering reassuringly stove conserve spare bet enter

>>55991539
>not pandering = despises
okay schizo, that's not what that means but okay.

>>55978925
They have done a splendid job protecting my smile, and I want to protect theirs as well.

Bau Bau

>>55988733
it really makes me sad that westerners for some reason dont understand this. its like they want to ruin the experience for everyone else. same thing applies to anime and games. i guess normalfags cannot comprehend that to some people this entertainment means a lot as a means of escapism. why cant these people just stick to having real people friends irl instead of making idols act like irl people?

>m-muh keyfabby
Did it ever cross your pea-sized brain that this is actually what they are like? Did it even visit your mind that some people are different and act different?

>>55987955
Setting clear boundaries to gatew keep parasocial unicorns is a small price to pay.

>>55978925
No, they're absolutely terrible to their fans. It's for the best that you avoid watching them. Don't worry, I'll keep an eye on them as a spy to let you know just how much they shit talk their fans on stream

>>55978925
Compared with the other dog, they seem a lot less likely to build up your trust for 4 years and then break it

>>55978925
I met Fuwawa in a McDonald's once and asked for an autograph. She spat on my fries and called me a faggot.

>>55982314
>normie

>>55992074
reading comprehension

>>55978925
kayfabe chuubas are doomed to fail

>>55994166
>I'm not a chihuaha I'm Fuwawa!
>I'm not Fuwawa I'm Mococo!
>Now Ruffian, you know dogs produce lots of spit yeah!?
>Mococo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHnTb619ehM
>And where does that spit go?
>THAT'S RIGHT! IN YOUR FRENCH FAGGOT - I MEAN FRIES!

>>55978925
They’re so cute it feels illegal to watch them

>>55994325
100k subs ahead of other members and counting sister

>>55980837
Shut up retard, stop making excuses to be an obnoxious sack of shit. You're no different from chuubas who have no respect for their fanbase.

>>55995381
>noooooo
>it's wrong to expect people to fufill their job to the best of their ability especially when they make a shit ton of money!

>>55980837
Holy based

>>55979789
>breaking kayfabe
good fucking luck, their kayfabe game is too fucking strong. Two fucking years, nonstop.

>>55980837
>no lies detected.

>>55978925
Watching them has been a treat. They are true vtubers, not just some e-whore with a paint job, only existing to drain your wallet. They genuinely put effort in maintaining their characters. They are literally JP idols but in English. If you're esl it takes a bit before you can clearly understand what they are saying, but other than that, they're great.

>>55980837
>literally proved his point

this level of retardation is why EN vtubing is just fucking shit

>>55985795
Actually he's over there.

>>55995988
ここ
そこ
あそこ

>>55988733
Don't be. I am glad someone can articulate what Idols are about.

>>55995898
>implying his point was valid to begin with

>>55988733
>it's OK when HoloJP does it!
The post

>>55978925
I just hope they stay the same and keep away from other EN members , we got enough lets go lets go meme lord trash

>>55995561
And still going

>>55996294
>Why is Gura so popular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv_ibiHEELA
Guess why Gura suddenly get motivated when Fuwamoco is in EN.

>>55996417
JP is no better. How many holos have just dropped their character a month or two after debut? Almost all of them

>>55996560
and seeing that was beyond based of them. complete perfection.

>>55995457
Vtubers filtering retards (like you) out of the fanbase is actually a good thing.

>>55978925
All dog vtubers are loyal and have high-endurance

>>55996774
That's ironic because Vox's fanbase are filled with unironic retards (like you) that he invited in with his Boyfriend larp. Made his bed but now can't lie in it, so sad.

>>55996698
They can’t understand them so its okay apparently

>>55996774
Isn't he complaining about retards like me filling his entire fanbase because that's what they expected from a vtuber who deliberately goes out there way to form romantic parasocial relationships?

>>55996891
I don’t even know what this is, when did I say I liked Vox’s fanbase or watched Vox at all?

>>55980837
Thanks for disproving that fag. Based and truthpilled

>>55996698
>Miko might actually be a shrine maiden kusogaki
>Luna is still baby
>Haachama kayfabed being insane so well they actually locked her up in the nuthouse
>Robocco still pon robot
>Marine still pretending to be 17
>Lui's dusty womb still needs my babies in it
>Iroha still de gozarus
Which ones have dropped their character?

>>55997050
When you jump into the middle of a conversation about Le retard Vox hypocrisy.

>>55997001
You’re right about that, if you go out of your way to create a parasocial schizo audience you get what you expect, however not everyone wishes to seek out this audience but unicorns can’t seem to stop bitching and watch the chuubas that do pander to them.

>>55997282
Maybe stop seething about 4chan posts and watch streams faggot

>>55995457
And being a shithead only makes them do their job worse

>>55992602
TT culture. Ironic weebs. They say they eatch anime publicly as a way to express
>look, I'm a loser like you that faps to hentai and I don't care what others think!
For them, vtubers are just streamers using anime avatar, like when pokimane started using a live2D to jump on the bandwagon and not use makeup

>>55997126
He cant answer because they all still stay in character except Matsuri who has no character so its just her and Flare who doesn't want to be an elf.
Even their worst recent hire Laplus stay in character even when playing with her e celeb friend in be it in rust, gta or whatever she still a chuunibyou with ambition.

>>55998909
Vtubing is really an all or nothing game. There's no halfway in, you're either all in or you're all out especially when you're a corpo.

I like how FuwaMoco answer the chat fairly often but do it in such a way that you forget there's actually people talking to them. More streamers should do that, although I can see how it'd be hard to pull off naturally.

>>55995381
>Call out those obnoxious chuubas who have no respect for their fanbase
>NOOOO YOURE NO DIFFERENT FROM THEM

>>55983535
>normalfags do not watch anime
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAHAGAHAGA

>>56000125
They watch reviews on youtube and tiktok

>>55980837
fucking BASED

>>55999920
yeah you're worse if you have the schizo perspective of 'they're not people because they're entertainers'
no different from women who go 'they're just entertainers so why do you care if they're deceiving you it's all just an act bro'
basically excusing all behavior to act like normal people through 'just a prank bro'

>>55980837
>God I hate this faggot. No you're not a person. You are entertainment. You are a product.
>>55988733
>If you try to make your fans treat you like a real person, you aren't an idol anymore, you become like any other normal person, a random online public figure.
This sounds familiar
Where did I saw this line of thoughts before ...

>>55988733
>3. Protecting your purity. Simply, don't become an obvious slut, which can happen if you do the first two principles successfully but let things spiral out of control. By becoming a slut, your value gets diminished and the fans will eventually get tired and leave a more valuable, more pure, less "used" girl. The rule of letting your fans use you while not becoming slut might seem contradictory, but there is nuance. You want to accept your fan's feelings by not reacting negatively or judging them, but at the same time you shouldn't increasingly indulge in it, following them towards their lewd headspace. You should be following your own goals, letting the fans follow you, not the other way around.
Anon, while I do agree with your points in general, I have to point out that Sasshi's case rocked this point greatly
She is by far an exception, of course, but still

>>55982279
>>55993316
Retard, it's clear that she doesn't understand kayfabe. I'm not watching vtubers to be lectured how "we aren't actually friends" because "muh healthy for all parties involved", bitch it's called playing a character. If someone is too retarded to distinguish them from reality that's their own problem, being lectured too in this condescending way is the last thing I want. I'm not even a unicorn, but if they have no intention of holding up kayfabe they might as well be flesh streamers to me.
Also it's so fucking hypocritical with Fauna's constant GFE and CGDCT baiting, fucking pick a side but don't tell people they're wrong for engaging in a fantasy when you yourself nurture it

>>55994060
Are you sore Korone did a professional collab with a legendary anisong singer?

>>56000596
They are people, but their persona online is not a real person, what do you think all that lore is for?
And if you agree that they shouldn't be assholes to their fans what exactly are you disagreeing with?

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxoe-CYS3mv6Dt7QJDufh1-X_akwnIo_qS

>>56000763
Even the biggest gachikoi knows he's not Fauna's friend, because they know the fanbase is never about the individual, and that the streamer can never be close to any particular individual in it or it fucks everything up. Only schizos see themselves as being bigger than the rest of the fanbase. Your shitty thinking literally accounts for all of the problems in vtubing.

>>55980837
kek you’re the type of person that gets put on a watchlist the moment they type in chat

>>56000871
Lore means nothing beyond something to have fun with, people can obviously make the distinction and are therefore looking at and judging them as people. You can try to hide behind reasons to act like a shithead but any normal person will see through that.

>>56001120
>Even the biggest gachikoi knows he's not Fauna's friend
THEN THAT JUST PROVES THAT SHE SHOULDN'T SAY IT. Imagine if before every wrestling match they had a disclaimer that all the punches are fake and that the whole thing is chareographed. People know that but saying that is fucking retarded and takes all the fun out of it. Why are you allergic to understanding kayfabe

>>56001492
The state of the streamer's relationship with the audience isn't keyfabe. It's something that's understood by anyone that isn't a schizo. The fact that you're triggered by the statement is proof that it's something that you needed to be told. This is about basic boundaries that only schizos try to cross, anyone else wouldn't take issue with it. If that idea bothers you then you're literally delusional and most likely being creepy and an annoyance to everyone else by taking issue with such an obvious truth.

>>56001972
This is like saying anyone who is triggered by male collabs is the problem. No, we just don't want to fucking see it, how is that not getting through to your head? How do you not have cognitive dissonance when most of EN don't say that because none of them need to. Fuwamoco would never do such a thing because it's inherently anti-audience. This is the stupid "owning le incel unicorns epically" argument that plagues EN vtubing because they think they need to say shit they don't, by which they're ironically being toxic themselves

>>56002256
>things that people don't like are all the same!
Garbage argument. And it's not anti-audience, it's anti-schizo. People being creepy and acting too close to chuubas because of their delusions is fucking annoying. They need to shut the fuck up and sit back down with the rest of the fanbase/audience. This is why the EN fanbase is garbage, so many attention whores. You're a fan in the crowd along with the rest of us, now shut the fuck up and play along with the rest.

>>56002475
>play along
That's literally all I wish for, to play along, to have a consistent character that isn't going to condescendingly lecture me. People being too close is not the problem, they have no power over the holomem, it's entitled chuubas that are the problem, because they have that power

>>56002717
>MEMEME
literally proving what I said

>>55981232
> thinking numberfags like the runt of the entire branch with the most schizo antis as well and the most schizo fanbase
where the fuck do you people come from

>>56002775
Proving what? That fans wanting something is bad? It's an opinion retard, everyone has their own. And in the end it doesn't matter, what matters is that most people will just silently leave without fanfare once they don't like what a chuuba is doing

>>56002475
t. Western normalfag without an ounce of appreciation for the idol-fan relationship and journey. Go watch male fleshtubers and stop destroying niche hobbies that you know nothing about.

>>55989494
His company's daisenpai had her face plastered across the entirety of the walls of the school she taught at overnight one day. And she was utterly professional about how she had to take a break resolve this issue and that she'd come back to stream once she moved to another prefecture.
This fucker would shit his pants and curl up into a ball if he had to endure actual "harassment" at any point.

>>56002475
Nta but they provide a service and the fans consume the service. Yes, it could be as easy as to just say "go away" when people don't like what you're doing, but it would be much more efficient to just talk about what people's problems are and see if you can do something about it to retain the fans instead of immediately antagonizing them

>>55988733
Completely true.

>>56002976
Yeah, people will become upset with chuubas and leave over the most random reasons. But Fauna streamed to nearly 12k yesterday and 10k the time before that so maybe some of the other ENs should pick up some tips from her.
>>56002990
Nah I have a lot of respect for how the JP fans support hugely without being attention whores. It's impressive and something EN fans could learn from.

>>55982427
>>55982481
It's only finding use now because there's far more "ironic weebs" in the fanbase now compared to a few months ago.

>>56003335
>learn from
>learn from
Naming static streaming numbers doesn't say anything in relation and also can't include the people that have left because of it. Certainly no one joins over that.
And idk what you mean, JP fans are much more unhinged than EN fans, but JP holomems manage to deal with it expertly because they know what it's like to be an idol

>>55991060
The last I checked the extent of her bullshit was making some extremely basic virgin jokes at the expense of her fans and organizing some group collabs that included males. Anyone who gets scared off by that deserves it desu

>>55978925
To the JOPs, yes.

>>56001120
Fauna's rant was the equivalent of you tuning in for the climactic fight in a big action series, and seeing all the heroes and villains look at (You) through the screen and tell you a disclaimer that nothing and no one you're about to see on screen is real, and that you shouldn't ever repeat this irl, before starting the big fight.

You know what that does to the audience?
It ruins their "suspension of disbelief".
People already know that superheroes aren't real, anime girls aren't real, Fauna isn't REALLY the guardian of nature or whatever, but they're willing to set that aside and spend some time enjoying her stream after a hard day's work.
Breaking the very ESSENCE of this entertainment medium was a bad call no matter how "pure" your intentions were.
There's a reason most movies removed that disclaimer and just put age ratings on movies instead.

>>55979789
I'm not even that much of a fan of the keyfabe and I hope they keep it up. they're a great addition to en
>Verification not required.

>>56003849
You're right but sisters are going to misunderstand you if break down concepts for them, they're reading your vibes not your words. It's not a career ending statement but it's a weird thing to point out when you're just really there to share a few laughs with the cute anime girl

>>55980837
Yup based. Xtroons are mad

>>56003849
I get what you’re saying but I also don’t blame her for wanting to nip schizos like she was replying to in the bud. Plus, this is a very different scenario than a short form movie or something, for that you walk out of the theater and it’s all over, for this it’s a very longform continuous roleplay and now someone is asking you to take that into a personal friendship. Ultimately not the best move as a streamer but it’s understandable.

>>56003849
It only bothers you because you were deluding yourself that you were their friend in the first place. Most people just accept them being not being your friend as part of the deal of being part of the fanbase. Your fake friends/family bullshit is annoying really. Dogshit 'keyfabe' that can go fuck itself. The fans should never be anything more than an audience that cheers them on while they're part of the fanbase. You annoying normalfags who need to latch on to companionship should just circlejerk in discord or some shit.

>>56004733
NTA, but why do you have to keep perpetuating that people are "deluding" themselves. No, they just want to keep their kayfabe intact
Oh wait
>'keyfabe' that can go fuck itself
Oh so you actually just hate Hololive, fuck off fake fan. Fuwamoco will never break kayfabe and you WILL seethe about it

>>56004733
kek funnily enough I don't watch any ENs, but I understand where the fanbase comes from better than you.

>>56004733
>who need to latch on to companionship
But you watch a streamer because you want companionship? Why aren't you just playing the games yourself then

>>56005048
>equating fictional keyfabe with understanding boundaries
Nah I'm not a schizo and can enjoy fiction and fantasy while also understanding and accepting reality at the same time. Maybe brainlets are incapable of juggling both simultaneously, they do say that the ability to embrace contradictions is a sign of intelligence.

>>56005048
>sits in armchair
Sounds like a self defense mechanism put in place to stop themselves from getting too attach to vtubers, dunno why else they'd feel the need to constantly pull back the curtain instead of enjoying the show

>>55980837
0 human empathy. You have a mental illness anon.

>>56005463
>>the ability to embrace contradictions is a sign of intelligence
>No I'm not a case of severe cognitive dissonance I'm just smarter than you!
ogey

>>56005463
How is it overstepping boundaries what Saplings are doing? The other fanbases are very much the same.

>>56005048
The problem with kayfabe is that retards like you throw a tantrum after every small character break. Grow up and get some thicker skin faggot. Its not the end of the world to break character for 5 seconds.

>>56005763
Its overstepping boundaries when any fanbase acts this retarded, obviously.

>>56004733
>>56005463
But you just said keyfabe can go fuck itself. That's literally what the dogs are doing though

>>56005843
What am I supposed to do with that, that isn't saying anything, what is "this retarded"? Saplings are supporting their Oshi like everyone else and you seriously believe that is overstepping boundaries

>>55979789
I am one of those people. I'll be waiting

>>56005786
You know Anon the entire point of keyfabe is that it is kept up constantly. Imagine if Korone every month told her fans that she's not actually a dog, it's dumb and unnecessary

>>56005962
You know what I mean faggot. Throwing a temper tantrum because Fauna broke character for 3 seconds isnt supporting your oshi. Kayfabe is fine as long as your not a fucking schizo about it.

>>56003849
>Fauna's rant was the equivalent of you tuning in for the climactic fight in a big action series, and seeing all the heroes and villains look at (You) through the screen and tell you a disclaimer that nothing and no one you're about to see on screen is real
That’s a very good way to put it, but I would add one more thing, that when VTubers start getting into or assuming to know the personal lives of their fans, they come off very judgemental and full of themselves. In some ways it cannot remain fun, if you think so little of the fanbase.

>>56005763
It was literally just Gabe, a mentally ill kronie.

Fuwawa has the boobs
>Mococo has the butt
Fuwawa does the talking
>Mococo does the gaming

Mococo is more powerful "behind the scenes", any thinking man would choose Mococo

>>56006054
You dont even know how to spell kayfabe and your trying to explain how it works? Unironically kill yourself. Breaking character once in a blue moon is completely fine. Yeah Korone reminding her fans she isn't a real dog would be dumb, because theres no point; Fauna was trying to make a point if you cant see the difference you are mentally handicapped.

>>56005864
No I said the dogshit "keyfabe" of "dude we're literally friends lol' that you've decided is a thing is garbage, not actual keyfabe like 'dude we're demon dogs baw baw'

>>56006068
But she isn't breaking keyfabe by saying something like what she did irl or talking about how she isn't actually the warden of nature, she said that her audience aren't her friends but then goes back to GFE baiting. It breaks the trust and goodwill, and for what? It achieves nothing. How am I supposed to engage in that roleplay when she has stated that?
>just watch her for entertainment then
Bitch that is the entertainment value

>>56006103
I think that kinda follows.
Many adults go to the movies to watch the latest Marvel slop or some big Action movie or Car movie.
They know it's all bullshit but they just wanna relax and see shit getting blown up on screen for a while.
The "disclaimer" is the same vibe, the director assuming that the viewer doesn't know any of it and might actually think he has powers and jump off the building or something because of it.
Of course it hits a lot harder in VTubing because it's a much longer time investment than a 2 hour movie.

Pretty sad stuff this thread

>>56006229
>>56004733
>muh spelling mistake invalidates your entire point
Kayfabe was spelled wrong by both sides so fuck off
Yeah and the point was dumb and unnecessary

>>56006251
Fauna literally never said that she's actually friends with chat anyway so what is there to clarify?

>>56006436
Agreed

>>56006627
And so it shouldn't be an issue that she's just having a Fauna pondering about life moment, only schizos are freaking out about their own 'keyfabe' being broken

>>56006627
don't know ask her

>>56006068
Schizos will never understand this. They just continue to prove that they'll keep freaking out over the smallest thing. If you have some random ass dealbreaker sure, unsub and fuck off if you get triggered, but continuing to seethe and shit is the definition of schizo behavior.

>>56006817
That's what you'd like to be the case because it makes it easier to antagonize them. I'm curious, do you want her to say it again? To say it every stream? To always talk to her audience like they're children and need to be reminded that she isn't their friend? The only way dedicated fans deal with it is by coping and most normies occasionally tuning in obviously don't know it.
It can only be tolerated because it was once, if she did that all the time people would start hating it. So of course I dislike something that would be unbearable if done all the time. People don't want to be lectured in their escapist medium

>>56006561
So know we get to the real issue, it was never about kayfabe you just dont like the point she was making when answering a superchat about parasocial friendships. And you dont like it because shes right.

>>56006627
>>56006828
A superchat literally asked her whether it was possible for her to be friends with saplings. So obviously there was something to clarify. Try harder.

>>56007147
Yeah it would be annoying if she did it every stream. But she literally doesnt and people still are shitting themselves about it 3 months later.

>>56007147
>do you
no I don't and don't think she would do that, and lo and behold she hasn't
>do I
no, I don't absolutely love everything a chuuba does at every point in every stream
>do I
no, it's not an issue for me especially if they stopped doing it
>do
no, I'm not a sperg still freaking out over something fucking stupid months later, and would've left long ago if it bothered me that much

>>55980837
this this this
or when they start venting on twitter

>>56007333
Holy shit read the posts on here to understand why people hate it. It's not because they disagree but because it's unnecessary like I said. See >>56003849
>>56007614
>>56007809
I'm glad that you agree in principle then, that's all I want. If that behavior is bad all the time it's always bad, at least to me

>>55979789
If their PL is any indication than I'm not all that worried since ended up leaning even HARDER into their kayfabe as time went on. It got to the point where they played their role so well that ended convincing large portion of their audience that the genuinely didn't know how to speak English that well.

>>55979789
If their PL is any indication than I'm not all that worried since they ended up leaning even HARDER into their kayfabe as time went on. It got to the point where they wound up playing their role so well that they ended up convincing a large portion of their audience to genuinely think they didn't know how to speak English that well.

>>56006103
>That’s a very good way to put it, but I would add one more thing, that when VTubers start getting into or assuming to know the personal lives of their fans, they come off very judgemental and full of themselves. In some ways it cannot remain fun, if you think so little of the fanbase.
Did you not watch what she said, or have you forgotten? She was replying to a super chat asking if she and saplings could be friends. She then went on to say Youtubers were not special and that she was there to entertain. Get over it, or kill yourself.

>>56008995
>i'm glad you agree with me that it's bad
Not really, it's a fucking nothingburger and anyone losing their shit over it is retarded and needs to fuck off for being a schizo

>>56009788
The problem was replying to bait in the first place, it was an anti troll and he achieved exactly what he wanted. Western women are just too susceptible to being one guyd

>>56010079
I'm not losing my shit over it I mean it is bad if done all the time, so is also bad if done once

>>56009788
I didn’t mention her specifically, only that in general my statement is true. Addressing the topic is not needed, and is only going to bring trouble.

>>56009788
> simps
Should've been a warning call that this was just bait, Fauna shouldn't even have graced it with a response. Also that guy is a known anti.
Anyway, even with that, the fact of the matter is that audiences enjoy chuubas in different ways. It works because of the separation of the chuuba identity from their irl selves, and allows a lot more freedom to the person "playing" Fauna.

Fauna streams quite regularly, and all the time she spends streaming is time that she spends with her fans. Combined, it's a lot more time spent streaming to her fans compared to her irl friends.
This does NOT mean that the fans take precedence over her irl friends, but that streaming for that long does build up a bit of closeness between the chuuba and her audience.
The audience will get to know certain quirks about her that even some of her friends might not know.
The audience will see certain facets of her that she can't show to her irl friends.
The audience will be privy to certain conversations and topics that she might not share with all her friends.
This is similar to how people wear different masks for different friend groups.
But just having that level of understanding is enough for regular people to call each other as "friends".

Obviously this doesn't mean that you start to leech on them or rely on them for literally everything - friendships have different scales too.
But it's still a relationship that exists.
Fauna can deny it all she wants, but as long as her fanbase knows things about her that some of her friends don't, the fanbase is also her friend.
Denying it means that she only thinks of the chuuba-fan relationship as transactional.
She's only telling you this stuff about herself that she's not telling anyone else so that you SC her and buy her merch.
If you aren't her friend, then as the SC implies, you're just a simp for her.
And that realization kinda takes a lot of people out of the entire experience.

>>55978925
They don't give likes to all of the comments, but I will assume in good faith they don't have time. It's okay.

>>56012072
Agreed, the "simps" part should’ve thrown her off that it was a bad faith question. Because it is inherently set up so that when she responds exactly how the troll expects her too, she will simultaneously agree with his statement of her fans being "just simps". And understandably, fans do not want to be just seen as money givers

Fauna telling you you're not friends with her is kayfabe. She's mother nature, and while most of the time it gives it can turn on you like a vicious hurricane at any point.

>>56016460
Idk doesn’t seem like she was going for kayfabe

>>55978925
No

>>55979078
>Luna tier kayfabe
Luna doesn't do kayfabe though. I wish people comparing the dogs and the rock to Luna at least tried to watch a single Luna stream before doing that comparison.

>>55980837
Damn you fucking suck dude

>>55980837
I am very amused by the number of responses you caused by saying this

>>56022617
...that voice is natural?

>>56002965
seething sisters from the doxsite, they don't actually know anything about holos though so they throw shit at a wall until it sticks

>>55983535
>1. normalfags do not watch anime
not anymore, you'd be surprised how many normies watch anime. usually just 20-30 shows in total but that's enough for them to spam "man of true culture" memes

>>56024612
>20-30 shows
that's a lot
>to spam "man of true culture" memes
people who never watched anime use that meme

>>56024394
No

>>56024499
>doxsite
??

>>56024394
The voice is not what kayfabe means and both her and Fuwamoco have been doing their voices long before they joined Hololive.