/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

cant see how, they were inde before and theyll survive as inde after

>>55824324
>self-owned and self-published vtuber managed by the company mythic entertainment: indie
>self-owned and self-published vtuber managed by the company vshojo inc: not indie
explain this logic

Gunrun already replaced these bums in free agency

>>55824808
Is Mythic even an agency? Does Mythic do anything for Vtubers?

vei - no, she secured her future by getting a rich boyfriend before leaving
silver - yes, she left before she got a boyfriend

>>55824966
They get sponsorships and stuff, that's all they do.

>>55824056
Vtards always said that holofags and nijiniggers were corpo lovers but these 2 got out and their views tanked hard kek

>>55824056
Did any of them talk about why they left vshojo? Nyanners said she left because of business reasons but I never heard anything about their reasons

>>55825203
vei left because she doesn't care about vtubing and vshojo will get in the way of streaming with her boyfriend
silver left because she is jealous of mouse
nyanners left because she's menhera

>>55825203
Veibae said it was just money. Better deal with Mythic. Silver idk, she heavily implied she wasn't getting along with Ironmouse.

>>55825203
silver was pretty vague, but it was implied that it was related to internal conflicts, ironmouse in particular

>>55824056
Who the fuck is this? Buy an ad for your 2view whores next time and stop shitting up the catalogue.

>>55824966
Mythic is exactly the same as Vshojo they just have non-vtuber talents as well. They are apparently working on some kind of vtuber event with Filian.

>>55825142
Both of them stream less than before + are highly irregular and also don't do anything of large interest.

>>55824056
Yes. They're all reddit approved heckin epic chungus ironic weeb twitchtubers. All they can do now is lick the floor for scraps from twitter ecelebs to stay relevant.

it didn't really affect silvervale as far as viewership but all things considered she's probably the only one for whom leaving didn't make much sense, she's not getting any new opportunities now and in fact she's missing out on stuff like the concert which she would have loved to do

veibae was out before she was even in, she only joined for the numbers boost back in 2021 when she was leeching up to everyone in the vshojo clique, then she stopped putting in any effort and collabing with the rest of the group as soon as she started getting viewers in the high 4 digits on the regular
she was never into the vtubing "culture" and hated that she had company obligations like meetings and stuff, so it made a lot of sense for her to leave especially since she moved in with the owner of another twitch-focused talent agency

but ironically she was the one who got impacted the hardest numbers-wise after leaving, she's barely holding onto half of her old average nowadays and she lost a lot of oilers

>>55825483
I heard Filian wants to do a Vtuber awards show. She has the hosting talent for it.

It just seems the Mythic would be like "you do all the planning, legwork, funding and we'll promote it on our social media"

>>55825142
They don't appeal to the vtuber audience at all. They are literally just normal flesh streamers hiding behind an anime avatar, that's their audience but that same demographic has a hate boner for anything anime that is not ironic so they get a double debuff of neither audience fully accepting what they are and their main audience are kids who don't know any better and will eventually either find someone better or move on from basic bitch twitch vtubing.

they got to stream as they have always done, still gets sponsor from mythic, and get to keep more money.
yeah, it was worth it
numberfags keep bringing up "bUh hEr nUmBeRs dRoPed"
who cares. you dont need the highest ccv in the internet to be successful. if you have enough to make a living of, thats fine.

For Vei, not really. She was already pretty distant within VShojo and didn't want or need the resources they have.

For Silver, it might've been fine, but her catty exit sure left a sour note on a lot of people's tongues, even longtime fans of hers.
Just take a look at how empty the birthday card is for her in /lig/ (I don't think a single person from /vsj+/ contributed).

>>55824808
Mythic does far less for most of its clients. Based on what people in the group have said unless you're one of the top tier streamers in the group then you're basically included on an e-mail list that they funnel sponsor offers through and you can ask them for help with connections. VShojo is vtuber-specific, works on creating a stronger brand, and does projects within its group structure that Mythic doesn't. Even MSM has stronger brand cohesion than Mythic and they have fucking Michael Winslow in their org

>>55826541
Yeah, not sure why she did that. Didn't the rest of them who left collab with Mouse like a couple weeks later?

>>55825142
Nyan's been slowly pivoting away from vtubing and doing more and more IRL stuff. And while a lot of vtuber viewers don't mind the occasional IRL stream as a change of pace, there's a very different feeling when it starts take over their original content.
Vei just completed her transformation from barely being part of the vtuber community, to fully committing to the LSF sphere since leaving. There's probably a significant portion of her audience that watch no vtubers aside from herself.
Silver got the short end of the stick by leaving in a cunty way so she actually burned some bridges on her way out, saying "Maybe I'll even stream more" during her leaving stream while proceeding to stream even less, and streaming at ungodly hours for English speakers.

That being said the only one who's really been taking a view hit over the past several months has been Nyan. Vei's still plenty big, and Silver's back to the size she was before the drama boosts of February and Hogwarts artificially inflated her viewcount.

>>55827556
It took about a solid month for Nyan and Mouse to interact publicly again, which in retrospect you can see as Nyan just needing some distance after a big decision like that. But yeah they're hanging out again.

As for Vei, not yet, although supposedly she wants to play Dark and Darker with Mouse. I'm not sure how true that is since I wasn't watching that stream.
It's also like, Vei doesn't really stream that much, and collabs even less.

>>55826489
So what matter is her success and not the fans getting something to enjoy?

Vei barely added anything to Vshojo, and when the company briefly flirted with trying to legitimize itself she seemed to both feel alienated herself and also purposefully alienated her audience. She's like an anti-Pippa, in that whereas people come to Phase Connect for the rabbit and then move outwards to the other talents, people heard about Vshojo through various avenues and ended up stuck watching the funny demon girl.

Silvervale's menhera outbursts were only exasperated by being in Vshojo. It's not that she couldn't hack it, more that she's proof that some indies do not deserve the stress and expectations a corpo places upon them. I can't speak for everyone in /vsj+/ but I noticed that as time went on I began to have a lot more interest in the "+" members precisely because they didn't seem as prone to controversies as Vshojo's core group was.

I honestly think that had Vshojo made a subgroup for just Snuffy, Haruka and Silver then it would've not had to have gone the way it did. But Vei definitely needed to be on her own. Right now the company is kind of in a dead zone where it can't expand and it doesn't seem to want to expand. The fact of the matter is that Mousey cannot carry the entire operation, Froot is fucking psychotic and the remaining girls are too discordant to form a cohesive corpo community the way others effortlessly manage.

>>55827886
in the past 13 months they have added 4 new members

>>55828152
All of whom have no identity in relation to Vshojo itself.

>>55827886
This post is weird because it's positioning itself as someone from /vsj+/ but reads like it's entirely catalog brained in relation to VShojo.

>>55825687
>leaving didn't make much sense
idk, how the rest of vshojo acted over her getting bullied for playing hogwarts legacy seems to have it make sense

>>55828381
there's the henya+haruka+zen idiot trio, two of those are newer members
i never watched the "original vshojo" or whatever you want to call them so maybe i'm just not feeling what you're feeling

>>55828421
the rest of the group ignored it except mouse because it was a nothingburger, she got tweeted at by a handful of literal whos

>>55824056
For Nyan and Vei? No. Nyan is clearly pivoting away from vtubing as a whole and is turning into an irl streamer (mostly) which makes sense as to why she'd want to leave a vtuber corpo (and whilst you can argue that she lost viewers because of this, I don't think she cares) and Vei clearly just doesn't want to be apart of something like vshojo and wants to steer more towards the OTK/LSF crowd which they likely only watch vei as a vtuber "ironically" which has been her thing for a while, also her boyfriend.

Silver quite clearly did fuck up, Vei and Nyan are known for many things but Silvervale is known for hogwarts fucking legacy of all things. The clip of her crying over it has over 400k views and she got a massive buff over it as popular streamers got a hold of it. But this was months ago and the buff has wore off, she barely streams nowadays and she's clearly the most menhera of the three with her numberfagging tons on twitter about herself. I don't think she regrets leaving and she has stabilised to pre-hogwarts popularity but I doubt Mythic is going to increase her popularity when 80% of the vtubers under mythic are all 2view shitters.

>>55827886
>I honestly think that had Vshojo made a subgroup for just Snuffy, Haruka and Silver then it would've not had to have gone the way it did.
It would have. Silver would get brainworms about being in the "lesser" part of VShojo and still be comparing herself to others.

And when she saw Snuffy's natural improv talent and commitment to improving her 3D content, and Haruka's voice acting talent and especially her debut video, it'd be fucking over.

It's been gone over dozens of times but Silver's mindset is one where her value is determined by her success. She complains about other people only seeing her as a number, but the truth is those "other people" are HER.
To see her colleagues outpacing her was driving her nuts, especially those who were once smaller than her. She was the runt of the pack and instead of buckling up and working harder, she depression spiraled.

>Mousey cannot carry the entire operation
She doesn't have to, Kson, Zen and Henya are there.
Froot is finding her groove and going hard with music.
Even Hime is getting more active than ever before.

>Froot is psychotic
Tell me you're not actually from /vsj+/ without telling me you're not actually from /vsj+/

>>55828381
Don't really know what that's even supposed to mean.
I think they all fit in just fine.
Except for maybe Nazuna (despite the warm welcome and everyone there loving her), but that's kind of on her.

>>55828731
Good post, and yeah to be honest I stopped browsing /vsj+/ daily after OP girls left so I probably don't have a clue what I'm talking about.

>>55824056
I like how Nyanners is so forgotten now that you didn't even included her

>>55825687
You missed out on an important thing. Consistency. She would sometimes go MIA for weeks then show up on her bf's alt stream. Her having a BF wasn't an issue as most thought. She did lose some viewers initially, but most didn't care. Only veispergs cared. However, her going MIA and lying constantly definitely took a toll on her numbers. Also her being a bitch to her bf, is a turn off to some guys. Not everyone is into watching guys get emasculated.

>>55825342
>vei left because she doesn't care about vtubing and vshojo will get in the way of streaming with her boyfriend
This is literally why Nyanners left. She now just fleshstreams with her boyfriend

Being in vshojo is a mistake

>>55826489
>who cares
the vtubers themselves, silvervale and vei are both massive numberfags whose mental health directly correlates to the amount of people watching

>>55829350
Unlike the paragons of mental stability farming (You)s ITT

>>55824978
Seems like silver got cucked by a Japanese vtuber.

>>55825687
If you think silver can't do a concert by herself or hire some people for it, you are insane.
If she wants to she can.

OMG sisters you have to turn everything into a essay writing contest, time to come back home

>>55829210
https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners/videos?filter=archives&sort=time

Of her last 20 streams, 18 of them are vtuber streams.

https://www.twitch.tv/lordaethelstan/videos?filter=archives&sort=time
Aethel has done more IRL content. For the record, the minigolf stream was split into three VODs because of disconnects, the Dave n Busters VOD split in two.
6 IRL streams in the last two months

>>55829571
No shot she can do it by herself. I don't think anyone can. Even Kson had a lot of help and she's undoubtedly got a shitload more resources than Silver. i also don't think a solo concert with her would be particularly good. She doesn't seem the performance heavy type, and while I don't hate her singing it's never been her biggest draw.

>>55829910
You neglect to mention the two most recent are flesh. It was fun while it lasted but I see the writing on the wall.

>>55830100
>two most recent
You're not actually counting a handcam stream, are you?

Also the last stream she used facecam because it was a charity goal to cosplay as herself.

>>55829910
When people say she's doing more IRL stuff they include Aethel's streams because she's in those a lot and it's also flesh stuff. Minigolf, firing range, AX, the cookoff, the beach episode, and Dave and Busters are all IRL and all within the last month.

>>55830261
Yeah. It's still a minority of the content. It's also mostly Aethel's hyperfixation. Nyan just tags along and plays camerawoman most of the time

>>55830224
Handcam streams without gloves are flesh streams

>>55830607

>>55828405
What do you mean weird? I think it does make sense in it's own way

>>55830328
A vtuber that does regularly does IRL content completely defeats the point of being a vtuber. If you're okay with being on camera and you have no interest in kayfabe why even do it?

>>55830682
Literally true

>>55831075
My man, kayfabe is a fucking dream of the past
Nobody sticks to that for very long, if at all
Even within corpos

>>55831580
Kayfabe is alive and well on HoloJP. And recently at least, FWMC are doing both on the EN side, and I really can't see them dropping it.

>>55831774 (me)
*both character and lore kayfabe

>>55831774
not really they talk about regular IRL shit all the time.

>>55831075
It's 2023 and post covid shit and people still care about being kayfabe kek

>>55824056
In general, it's a big fat No.
They both are doing fine, I guess? Silver and Vei definitely screw up by basically putting themselves out there for wanting to be on their own by the influence that they hold on the company, Silver having clearly issues with both management and some talents, as said mainly Mouse. And Vei wanted to say retard. On the business side, they joined Mythic a company own people close to them, Vei is self-explanatory but Silver is more on the side of befriending Asmon between the times of the HL a great example is looking at some of her streams and find when the Asmon raid hits her https://twitchtracker.com/silvervale/streams/49020454941. So in terms of getting deals, merch and sponsors they are alright, since they most likely signed a exclusivity contract with Mythic, a thing that feels scummy because unless you aren't there, almost all of the other members are just on a glorified support email, which spams them with sponsors.
They both clearly, for both personal and business-related reasons, aren't regretting it either, and mostly looking at their opinions over certain stuff VShojo had been recently doing and probably investing (concert, lore-vid, conventions, even fucking collabs lmao), they aren't interested on doing it. They just want to be streamers, while the ones in VShojo want to do both, and are clearly happy to do so. Henya made such an impact because of that, and the collabs have been rolling out a lot.

>>55827830
Nyan said she had braingoblins about vshojo and and wanted to stay away from all the drama so she stayed away from Vshojo for a month. Mouse on the other hand continued to talk about her during the whole time. Apparently they had never stopped talking off stream tho.

>>55830224
she's not a vtuber anymore just accept it.
It doesn't matter if she uses her model for most streams, if they stream irl at all they aren't vtubers. handcam streamers are not vtubers either

>>55830607
>>55831131
Are you a fucking muslim? Go back to saudi arabia.

>>55834024
>3DPD on /vt/
Why are you even here?

As someone that doesn't follow twitch streamers, how much did their ccv change after leaving?

>>55834589
Silvervale barely, she still gets around 5-6k viewers a stream, like before
vei went from 7 - 10k to 4 - 5k, sometimes lower

>>55834072
bro if seeing a woman's hands without gloves on makes you freak out you might belong in a 3rd world country with the other nutjobs.

>>55833723
Nyanners has braingoblins about everything, she is crazy.

>>55834589
barely a changed

>>55834924
>5-6k
Bro she couldn't even peak at 5k this week.

>>55834924
>5-6k viewers a stream like before
Anon what the fuck are you talking about. Silver's back to her normal views of 2.5k-3k She's never gotten 5-6k views on average except when she was riding drama boosts from HL and stuff.

>>55835191
Why do you watch vtubers and not regular twitch thots?

>>55834589
All 3 have dipped in ccv, vei the most and silvervale has gone back to her regular average of around 3k which was already her numbers before all the drama kicked off

>>55835559
I watch streamers in general, anon. Not just vtubers.

>>55835935
>Watching other regular people play games and watch videos
Literally why

>>55835935
Before hololive I never watched a stream, the maximum I did is watch some best moments from a game that I was interested like Sekiro back in 2019
The way you say is as if they're similar content, they're as far from each as possible

>>55827819
>Nyan's been slowly pivoting away from vtubing and doing more and more IRL stuff. And while a lot of vtuber viewers don't mind the occasional IRL stream as a change of pace, there's a very different feeling when it starts take over their original content.

Such a mistake. IRL she kinda ugly.

>>55824056
>Silvervale
lol, that fat ugly whore is doomed
>Veibae
has a millionaire boyfriend so she can chill doing whatever the fuck she wants

>>55837471
She really isn't. And she's dating a literal bodybuilder.

I'm glad she seems happier now than when she was only a pink cat, but I just personally am not interested in that kind of content.

>whores with boyfriends
Who cares?

>>55826541
/vsj/+ is a weird thread. For as much as they like to say that they only care about the girls and not the company, they definitely seem very confused about how to react to Nazuna at the moment.

>>55824808
I have no idea what mythic is doing, at least vshojo is a brand

>>55827830
Vei collabs a lot with Soda. She and Nyan have basically turned into steamer couples.

>>55825142
No it didn’t, but typical corposlave to cope with delusions. Vei is about stable and I would say silver even gained ccv

>>55838113
Yeah, because she's still in the company

>>55829571
she can't even take care of her health or schedule imagine a concert KEK

>>55837304
>talk to your chat and play video games
Same shit.

>>55824056
No, Vshojo is better off without them now, only Nyanners will be missed.

>>55825483
no they are not... Mythic is a downgrade.

>>55837304
>The way you say is as if they're similar content, they're as far from each as possible
Why are you even bothering to talk about streaming when you've already admitted you never watched one until vtubers

>>55828405
classic threadreader.

>>55838113
wtf are you talking about? Nazuna is still part of vshojo and she will even be part of a big event by the end of the month. The thread just don't care about her because rumina exists.

>>55839329
>>55840256
I assume you don't browse much. By "weird", I mean that the underlying feeling towards her is slightly strained as she's putting the majority of time towards her non VShojo aligned persona.
>The thread just don't care about her because rumina exists.
The people on /vsj/+ do not browse Rumina unless it's specifically for status updates. Most people are put off by the unironic gachikoi and menheras in that thread

>>55840595
not really she just doesn't stream as much... If she had gone henya route i can assure you more people would talk about her there. Still, everytime she is live we talk about her

they are both slowly declining since they left, both in ccv and number of streams, and i saw less sponsor since they went to the "mythic family" because they offer better sponsors kek

>>55840853
Well, she was never going to go the "Henya" route due to several reasons. And if the thread only talks about her when she'll stream, that means we'll be going several weeks without mentions.

>>55824056
Vei and Nyanners kicking themselves out was the best thing to happen to VShojo. They are both the biggest reasons why that company was so hated.

>>55824808
Vkeks

>>55833465
>Henya made such an impact because of that, and the collabs have been rolling out a lot.
That's something I remember seeing back when I was still actively watching VShojo; for the first six months or so, collabs were pretty frequent, but progressively became much less common, at least when it came to the members collabing with other members. Zentreya would regularly play FPS game with Froot and Melody would have Ironmouse on once a month or so, but that was about it. Otherwise, they seemed to mostly collab outwards (Zentreya with Haruka, Ironmouse with Connor, Melody with... that perky Asian girl fleshtuber sometimes) and it almost felt like VShojo didn't have much of an identity.

It's good to hear in-company collabs have picked up.

>>55837987
That's honestly kinda how I feel. I legitimately think being with Aethelstan has been a net positive for Nyanners' mental health, and I don't dislike him, but I was kinda alienated by the "honeymoon era" streams they were having together when the relationship was still fresh.

>>55824056
Vei and Silver = talentless whores who don't actually care about vtubing, but about money.

>>55841495
Yeah that's generally how it works

Do you see a lot of Hime discussion on /vsj+/?
No, 'cause she's not streaming

>>55827439
Why do you nees brand coheasion for a talent agency? Hell, Kaicenat and Ironmouse share the same agency lol

>>55851592
Association with a strong brand strengthens your own. A lot of streamer activity comes from secondary and tertiary audience, both of which can be developed by a strong brand backing. Also things like the Smite collab would not really work without shared branding: no one girl in Vshojo is large enough. But with the brand backing, even someone like Froot who get 1-2k CCV was able to be a part.

>>55824056
>Was leaving Vshojo a mistake?
For them, no. Especially Vei who wants to retire

>>55851988
I agree, but this have nothing to do with brand cohesion tho. You will see a large variety of content creators in pretty much every single talent agency, Mythic isn't trying to be "vtuber" specific, they just realized that this market in particular have no real competition lol. Not only that, the standards for this market are so low that they can just do a mediocre job and still be successful. Also I dont think that Smite is a good example, its a cool thing but it doesnt look like a good deal. The chuubas essentially sold the right from their models, they got paid once, Vshojo got a cut from it and Smite can pretty much sells their skins without paying royalties.

>>55824056
Who?

>>55851592
You don't NEED brand cohesion, I"m just saying that it's one of the big things that separates it. Mythic has basically zero, while VShojo puts a lot into it. That's what makes it more of a proper vtuber org than Mythic even though they're both technically talent agencies.

>>55832774
People who actually like vtubers yes, for people who want fleshies to pretend with anime no.

>>55829910
Aethelman is an oddly normal, nice guy. Not sure how he ended up with ny*nners.

>>55827819
It's funny how nyan that was the one that put the most effort into vtubing content of threse three (new models, lore shit, the boss fight model,etc)
is the one going fleshtuber faster

How can we get all of Vshojo's models to look more like this?

>>55860896
hot

>>55857804
This sounds like I'm joking, but I'm not: She was a mentally spiraling into a escapist anxious rabbit hole and she got fixed by dick. It even cured her gay.
and by dick I mean loving relationship